#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 874

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 1:29 PM

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its just

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glass pistol?

lime jolt Mar 18, 2021, 1:31 PM

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gilgamesh is really bad for speedrunning

coral cave Mar 18, 2021, 1:32 PM

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It's more like glass sword

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 1:32 PM

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it's just

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glass

coral cave Mar 18, 2021, 1:35 PM

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Not even glass it's just sand

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 1:35 PM

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gilgamesh couldve actually been decent for speedrunning if its dash strike did more than like 25 dmg

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 1:37 PM

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doesn't it deal 15

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 1:38 PM

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20 dmg

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 1:39 PM

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1/3rd of normal attack, 20 yea

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 1:39 PM

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Those additional dashes and wound after dash special increases so much dmg with merciful end that bosses are melt

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And then get rare or higher additonal dashes boon

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So good

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:01 PM

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dense basin Those additional dashes and wound after dash special increases so much dmg with ...

you rarely ever need 7 dashes, even with ME

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demeter has much better dps even with just two more dashes

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:02 PM

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~~get 8 dashes~~

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:02 PM

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You mean 5 additional hits to special gives that much? 👀

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:02 PM

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what

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yeah

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6 specials is a lot of dmg

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especially with explosive upper or kinetic launcher

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literally one shots most boss phases

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and kills armored enemies in a second

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while maim takes forever to even take effect

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:04 PM

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normal special would deal 7 right

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:04 PM

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7?

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:04 PM

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I use maim mainly for +25% dmg

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:05 PM

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+25% dmg isn't that much when things like family favorites, high confidence, and rush delivery exist

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also, gilga's short dashes feel so weird

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also also, its nothing before ME

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:05 PM

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limber cloak 7?

normal special already hits twice so +5 would be 7?

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:05 PM

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how you gonna kill those numbskulls and witches and pests

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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silver summit normal special already hits twice so +5 would be 7?

oh yeah

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Easy

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Doom

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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i wrote 6 referencing dash upper

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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yeah

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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lol waiting for like 2 seconds for a numbskull to die before the next wave spawns

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Sometimes I mix normal attacks, which are kinda strong - base 60

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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gilga is fine for casual play, dont get me wrong

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but for speedrunning and high heat, its just bad

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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dense basin Sometimes I mix normal attacks, which are kinda strong - base 60

its such a long animation and you cant even cancel out of it

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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High heat ypu mean 32+ heat?

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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yeah

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32 or more

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its not ideal at all

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the short dashes there kill you

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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I always wonder

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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and you'll never be applying maim, if you want to survive

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Do short dashes even have iframes?

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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ofcourse they do

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just very very brief

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Hmm... I see

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I do like both aspects for fists

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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i use zag fists because i'm a coward that never uses special lmao

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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And I already noticed Demeter is much safer

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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once you learn how to cancel out of your special, talos becomes so much better

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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I don't know of anyone who's actually grinded Gilgamesh enough to know its potential.

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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you can just pull foes in and slam em

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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And if for some reason can't do ME then there' always strong special, zeus attakcs etc

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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cunning urchin I don't know of anyone who's actually grinded Gilgamesh enough to know its poten...

i think there was someone in the speedrunning discord who posted some screens of gilga

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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That Dash-Upper did a lot of work for Hadesprofessor at 50.

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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cunning urchin I don't know of anyone who's actually grinded Gilgamesh enough to know its poten...

as far as i can tell it's one of the easiest things to make ME work because of how many times you can dash?

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Generaly more options

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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cunning urchin That Dash-Upper did a lot of work for Hadesprofessor at 50.

50?

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or has hadesprof done 60

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 2:10 PM

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I said 50.

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My phone said 60.

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Not my fault.

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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clearly google is trying to edit your discord messages to make it seem like you make typos

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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~~i don't understand why phones sometimes autocorrect numbers~~

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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easy fix:dont use autocorrect

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 2:12 PM

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I just misclicked. I don't use autoincorrect.

daring mango Mar 18, 2021, 2:12 PM

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I think more dashes doesn't really matter at high heat assuming you take max FO?

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:12 PM

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ohok

daring mango Mar 18, 2021, 2:12 PM

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like would you really be able to do all 7dashes ME in that short amount of time in FO

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:13 PM

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also getting ME at high heat is unreliable

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i guess its sort of reliable, before you take ap or RI

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7 dashes is impractical in any scenario i feel

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like, 4 dashes with heroic greatest reflex already get you from one corner to the other in the hades fight arena

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:14 PM

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you can dash to different spots

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:14 PM

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I know that when you have punishments like locked boons to chose etc

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:14 PM

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you dash left and right consecutively

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Then you play differently

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 2:15 PM

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that's how you max out the divine dash for ME activations ig

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Being more focuses on aspects itself and boons just to help a little

honest wing Mar 18, 2021, 2:15 PM

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I think high heat builds rely on have one main boon and the rest doesn't matter

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like eris rail with zeus attack

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guan yu with artemis special

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:17 PM

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hestia with arty is probably the best example

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Nemesis sword with artemis attack and double edge

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:17 PM

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eris with zeus attack falls off hard after like asphodel

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:17 PM

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And build is complete 🙂

limber cloak Mar 18, 2021, 2:18 PM

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nemesis with arty attack, aphro special, dedge, chaos dash strike buff, arty dash, heartrend , hunter's mark

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and so on

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:18 PM

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I think I even posted such victory

lime jolt Mar 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Most of eris damage comes from dash and special

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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But chaos boon was for all attacks

lime jolt Mar 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Your eris lighting damage is really only good for tartarus

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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But that is for really high heat run, right?

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Where boons are not locked, getting splitting bolt makes beautiful work

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 2:37 PM

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What's a good build for Chiron?, I haven't used it at all yet and want to take it for a spin

valid dagger Mar 18, 2021, 2:38 PM

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turbid needle What's a good build for Chiron?, I haven't used it at all yet and want to take i...

Aphro attack Artemis Special get Heartrend

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Ah thank you!

lucid lily Mar 18, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I sometimes like getting aphro attack dio special ares revenge and doing low tolerance/curse of nausea

daring mango Mar 18, 2021, 2:41 PM

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I just realized how good dionysus is in terms of duos and legendary

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Start with Heartbreak Strike and just pick up whichever you find first out of Deadly Flourish and Heartbreak Flourish, then get Heart Rend or Low Tolerance respectively. They're both very good builds.

daring mango Mar 18, 2021, 2:43 PM

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ok calculated risk might actually be the only weak dio duo boon in my opinion

valid dagger Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I find it nice, can make some things noticeably easier to deal with, and makes me feel safe lol

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Yeah in EM4 It helped me a little bit when dodging

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Calculated Risk is really good. It's not a speedrun boon, obviously.

daring mango Mar 18, 2021, 2:46 PM

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so dio duo boons are generally the best roster of duo boons

honest wing Mar 18, 2021, 2:46 PM

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who has the worst though, poseidon? athena?

daring mango Mar 18, 2021, 2:47 PM

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idk I just recently realized it zaglol

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when I tried to think of a bad dio duo boon

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I guess exclusive is bad late game but its a good duo boon to get early

honest wing Mar 18, 2021, 2:47 PM

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yea

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even late game if I can get a hermes in the shop, hermes epic is always great

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Can't really make a blanket statement like that. There are too many variables.

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Yeah I don't think there is a "bad" duo boon cause it really depends on the run and what you're looking for in it

brittle mortar Mar 18, 2021, 3:10 PM

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yeah, my perpective has always been that duo boons are generally good, but can be op if used with the right build, and useless with the wrong builds

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while legendarys are basically always amazing

dry ember Mar 18, 2021, 3:10 PM

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turbid needle Yeah I don't think there is a "bad" duo boon cause it really depends on the run ...

Hug Curse of Longings
You might not be as successful as your brother Merciful End, but that's OK.

brittle mortar Mar 18, 2021, 3:11 PM

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but some duos are always the best thing that can happen to a run

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 3:12 PM

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me w Curse of Drowning with the fists

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That was such a fun run

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:26 PM

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It’s hard to call a single god best for duos

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Ares has a way, way higher damage ceiling than anyone with his

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But Dio’s whole kit is probably the strongest when you think about them as a unit

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It’s a relative statement, but Dio does indeed have a very stronk generalist duo kit at his back

lime jolt Mar 18, 2021, 3:28 PM

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Artemis has pretty sweet duos

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As well as zoos

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:28 PM

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Yeah Artemis is probably #2 for raw power behind ares

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And Zeus is just amazing at every level 😍

lime jolt Mar 18, 2021, 3:29 PM

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tbh the only realllly good duo that ares has is merciful end

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:29 PM

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Hunting blades

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 3:29 PM

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Hunting blades

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:29 PM

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Do not underestimate hunting blades with his other blade rift accessories

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Hunting blades with achilles spear... beautiful

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Ares claims the two highest raw damage output duos in the game bar none, unless I’m sorely mistaken

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But beyond those two his duo kit is kind of ehhhhh

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So again, it’s hard to call one god best

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:32 PM

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Artemis has probably most of the useful boons

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:33 PM

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If you have to strip everything else out, yeah probably pound for pound

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Definitely top 2 with Zeus

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Aphro, zeus, poseidon, ares, demeter

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Oh, duos?

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:33 PM

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And with athena too

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Or boons?

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:34 PM

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Duos

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:34 PM

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Ah. Yeah Artemis has great scaling in her duos

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She dramatically amplifies every god she touches

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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What is her duo with dio?

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Cept maybe Zeus

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I was going to mention Dio

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But their duo is actually great as long as you have a full Artemis compliment to back it up

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It’s basically another pressure points but better

strange lark Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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dense basin What is her duo with dio?

slower projectiles i think

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wait

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no

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i think you are immune to stun and take less damage from bosses

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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1,5% to critc for any hangover stack

strange lark Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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one of those

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Immune to stun is from athena-poseidon i think

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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That last one is posiedon

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Which makes the first Athena Dio

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Cause you were right it’s one of those

dense basin Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Lighting rod is good too, because it stacks with charged staric and spliting bolt I think

outer badger Mar 18, 2021, 3:42 PM

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heey in the victory boasting I see some people having heroic boons, how do you manage that?

strange lark Mar 18, 2021, 3:43 PM

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outer badger heey in the victory boasting I see some people having heroic boons, how do you m...

you can only get heroic boons by trading epic boons with another god or by using rare crop

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also eurydice

outer badger Mar 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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oooh I see!

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and eurydice makes sense 🙂

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thanks!

slim lynx Mar 18, 2021, 4:04 PM

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spiral badge But their duo is actually great as long as you have a full Artemis compliment to...

curse of nausea/low tolerance/splitting headache 😩

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oh and heart rend too if you can even get that

hybrid fractal Mar 18, 2021, 4:26 PM

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strange lark slower projectiles i think

slower projectiles is dio/athena

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Playing a bit of Chiron and I see now

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I see now

somber drum Mar 18, 2021, 5:17 PM

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You know, I never see anyone talking about the charged special hammer for the bow. With it I can aim my special and usual nail every arrow in one enemy point blank

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Feels like I get all the advantages of chiron and then some but I get to keep the fan shot, which I also like for blocking prohectiles, spreading DOTs and stuff.

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Charged Volley is alright.

slim lynx Mar 18, 2021, 5:26 PM

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charged volley is charged skewer but backwards

somber drum Mar 18, 2021, 5:27 PM

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cunning urchin Charged Volley is alright.

I'll take it! An alright hammer for an alright player.

serene zealot Mar 18, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Exploding launcher or massive spin for Hades spear?

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 8:10 PM

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refer to this for comically large spoon i mean spin

serene zealot Mar 18, 2021, 8:10 PM

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True, but EL would make my special more useable

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I see pros for both

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Is MS simply that much better?

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For reference, I currently have Aphrodite attack and Artemis special

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Oh, no, Exploding Launcher.

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Especially with Deadly Flourish.

serene zealot Mar 18, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Alright

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Thanks

turbid needle Mar 18, 2021, 8:23 PM

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I'd say to prioritize Serrated Edge or Exploding Launcher, then a specific spin buff. Quick > Massive > Flaring.

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Maybe Flaring before Massive.

serene zealot Mar 18, 2021, 8:47 PM

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I ended up getting Exploding Launcher and Charged Skewer, which you said was a good combo

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I now have to agree

sour temple Mar 18, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Ironically Spin builds may be stronger on Achilles Spear than on Hades spear

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because the bonus damage applied by the Spin on Hades does not apply to the spin itself

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But the bonus post rush damage from Achilles applies

somber drum Mar 18, 2021, 8:59 PM

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@rarebit I was thinking that myself. I haven't yet understood the Hades aspect. I usually land spins when enemies are spawning and punishment wears off before I've had a chances to hit many of them again.

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I think I'm just not being punishing enough.

sour temple Mar 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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I've gotten 1000+ damage on a spin with the right build

opal lodge Mar 18, 2021, 9:05 PM

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yeah exploding launcher charged skewer is amazing on hades spear

abstract flower Mar 18, 2021, 9:31 PM

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Would you consider Charon harder than Hades?

serene zealot Mar 18, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Yes, simply because you can go in very unprepared

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Hades is always after a whole run of getting a build ready, Charon doesn't have that guarantee.

surreal wasp Mar 18, 2021, 9:42 PM

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good duos/legendaries for zeus shield?

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i have zeus special so far

opal lodge Mar 18, 2021, 9:51 PM

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zeus special doesnt really care about duos/legendaries but you can go for sea storm/splitting bolt

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cant go wrong there

serene zealot Mar 18, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Sea storm on a Zeus boon?

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If this was Poseidon’s special, sure

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But SS won’t affect a Zeus special

sour temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Zeus Special benefits from Splitting Bolt

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Zeus/Zeus is a classic way to build that aspect, and it largely only cares about splitting bolt. Everything after that is gravy

sour temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Double Strike is also a huge damage boost

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 10:23 PM

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That said Smoldering Air is an S-tier duo for Zeus shield, primarily because aphro attack and Zeus special are the peanut butter n jelly way to build that aspect, conveniently opening you right up to Zeus call too

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 10:24 PM

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sour temple Double Strike is also a huge damage boost

Thunder flourish -> jolted -> double strike -> splitting bolt -> ezclap

sour temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Yep that is the combo

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Also Zeus Aid because it benefits from the same boons

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+Billowing Strength, Smoldering Air, Clouded Judgment

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Zeus is the best at self synergy

spiral badge Mar 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Yeah if you get aphro attack / Zeus special / Zeus call whatever’s standing in front of you is about to have a bad day

sour temple Mar 18, 2021, 10:30 PM

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If you put Tempest Flourish on Special and later get Sea Storm, that could do a lot of damage also

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but it might be hard to get or getting it would make it harder to get the synergistic Zeus boons

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And it might be not that much more damage

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If you're planning out your run you're just better off starting with Zeus Special

surreal wasp Mar 18, 2021, 10:40 PM

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ty!

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Tempest Flourish is not a good idea.

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Tempest Strike or Tidal Dash can be good.

lime jolt Mar 18, 2021, 11:25 PM

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tempest flourish on chiron can get good

cunning urchin Mar 18, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Not really. thanthink

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Well.

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It's alright. But it's no Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish.

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 11:27 PM

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~~i use frost flourish and feel like a sinner in here~~

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~~idk drunken flourish just didn't work out for me so i swapped~~

somber drum Mar 18, 2021, 11:39 PM

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It's okay, @silver summit , my take is even hotter. Chiron? That's just the game doing the math for you. What next, do I let the Hades content recommendation algorithm decide which enemies I want to fight?

silver summit Mar 18, 2021, 11:39 PM

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????

somber drum Mar 18, 2021, 11:40 PM

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Oh don't mind me.

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 1:14 AM

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wait so for the monthly challenge

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how do we guarantee we get the right daedalus hammer? also do we need to get it in the first room?

fervent elbow Mar 19, 2021, 1:16 AM

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You don't need to have that hammer first room

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as long as you have it at the end of your clear, it's good

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 1:18 AM

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ah ok ty!

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 1:29 AM

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@surreal wasp unfortunately I can say from experience 1) you can't guarantee that hammer and 2) getting it does not guarantee you will clear the run shadegrief

dense basin Mar 19, 2021, 1:38 AM

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I was wondering - does bad news (Hermes legendary boon when you use stygian soul) works with aspects when you load your casts into weapons?

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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https://imgur.com/thoxgiZ How bad did I mess this up?

Imgur

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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what are the chances of a first room hammer

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 1:43 AM

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It's gotta be like 20 or 25%, I'd say

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 1:44 AM

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i see

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when you reset a run what remains constant?

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and what changes

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bc some rooms change

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but it seems to stay boon first for me

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 1:46 AM

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The run seed stays the same, so that first room won't change

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But some of your actions within the run affect the RNG and change later outcomes

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So you would always get the same chambers but only of you did the run the exact same way.

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You have to die it escape to change that first room

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 1:48 AM

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i see

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ifinally got the hammer

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waaa

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but after stepping on a trap

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and taking 25 permanent dmg

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ive won.. but at what cost

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Just keep it up. DD will heal you

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Patroclus may save your bacon yet

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 1:50 AM

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wait

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i took stubborn

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SCGclown

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i figured thats what most high heat ppl do at LC4

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hahahaha

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pray for me

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 1:51 AM

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I think SD is what high heat players use but I still can't beat the last Boss without all that extra life

jovial fulcrum Mar 19, 2021, 2:37 AM

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SD Patty is even better than DD Patty

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+50% hp on SD, if you're lucky its for the rest of the game

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 2:39 AM

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SD is used when you take lasting consequences 4

static karma Mar 19, 2021, 2:42 AM

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The above is the only purpose of SD, yeah

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otherwise DD is superior

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DDs let you have a lot more health during boss fights

jade estuary Mar 19, 2021, 4:07 AM

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whats the best weapon to use now to beat the game

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weapon and build?

sweet hornet Mar 19, 2021, 4:08 AM

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lightning rod vs deadly reversal for a hera build with ares attack, athena special, zeus dash, and artemis cast?

turbid needle Mar 19, 2021, 4:10 AM

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You're a Cast build, Lightning Rod is something to avoid.

sweet hornet Mar 19, 2021, 4:11 AM

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thanks, went with the other

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oh hello ME

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doesn't seem to work very well on hera with athena special + ares attack

turbid needle Mar 19, 2021, 4:22 AM

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its not fast enough to be worth

sweet hornet Mar 19, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I got flurry shot from the styx store hammer 2-for-1

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not having to charge for range is kinda nice

last crystal Mar 19, 2021, 4:38 AM

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What are some good cast builds for Achilles spear? Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity? Just try to get cast boons from Hermes?

robust anchor Mar 19, 2021, 5:20 AM

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zeus cast

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also zeus atk with flurry jab

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the builds you mentioned also work, ive seen others do it. i just havent tried it myself

last crystal Mar 19, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Assuming Zeus atk with flurry is good on any spear build?

daring mango Mar 19, 2021, 5:56 AM

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last crystal Assuming Zeus atk with flurry is good on any spear build?

Its not that good with hades spear because you lose access to the spin

last crystal Mar 19, 2021, 5:57 AM

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daring mango Its not that good with hades spear because you lose access to the spin

Oh duh...

limber cloak Mar 19, 2021, 6:06 AM

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daring mango Its not that good with hades spear because you lose access to the spin

hades spear literally cannot get flurry jab lol

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the build for hades spear is just ME

daring mango Mar 19, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Oh wow TIL lol

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ME feels weird with spear

static karma Mar 19, 2021, 6:07 AM

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I like exploding launcher for hades spear

magic rivet Mar 19, 2021, 6:09 AM

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I take Serrated point then get confused when I take a ton of damage

last crystal Mar 19, 2021, 6:10 AM

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daring mango ME feels weird with spear

Agreed. That feels like it would be awkward

static karma Mar 19, 2021, 6:13 AM

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I think you poke with doom on attack then dash through, not sure as I never tried me on spear

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You Athena special to get me but you proc me with athena dash

jovial fulcrum Mar 19, 2021, 6:16 AM

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thats how most ME is yeah

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 7:16 AM

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just wondering, for the monthly challenge spreadsheet, how do i actually submit a run? I went to the linked spreadsheet but it's view only

static salmon Mar 19, 2021, 7:16 AM

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man, aspect of hera used to be one of my least favorite infernal arms but once I learned how to use it its now my most favorite

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I personally like the artemist cast boon for aspect of hera

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 7:39 AM

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surreal wasp just wondering, for the monthly challenge spreadsheet, how do i actually submit ...

If you scroll to the right, there's a link to the submission form.

coarse nexus Mar 19, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Anyone got good reqs for Aspect of Talos Twin Fist builds? I dragged my brother into this game with me but he's still struggling to beat the final boss for the first time. I don't remember exactly how he's spec'd at the moment but I know he uses Stubborn Defiance, doesn't have the trait where stacking curses deals more damage, and prefers high DPS builds.

limber cloak Mar 19, 2021, 7:54 AM

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for talos, you can run poseidon special for the yo-yo build which is very fun, or you can go for artemis special with zeus attack

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the highest dps build with talos will always be Merciful End, which is a duo boon between ares and athena

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it makes it so that your doom activates whenever you hit the enemy with a ability that deflects

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you get ares attack with athena special and eventually athena dash, go for that duo boon, and then you just watch everything melt

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id recommend not to use stubborn defiance if youre struggling to beat the final boss btw

sweet hornet Mar 19, 2021, 7:55 AM

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jovial fulcrum thats how most ME is yeah

(wrong ping, sorry)

I tried the yo-yo build, it's a bit weird - your special only pulls from in front of you but the splash is all around

limber cloak Mar 19, 2021, 7:56 AM

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huh, i never noticed that

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its still just so much fun though

coarse nexus Mar 19, 2021, 7:57 AM

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limber cloak id recommend not to use stubborn defiance if youre struggling to beat the final ...

I keep telling him that but 🤷 I'll see if I can get him to try that Ares/Athena build though since he really likes Duos

jovial fulcrum Mar 19, 2021, 7:57 AM

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PingReee

stuck basalt Mar 19, 2021, 9:45 AM

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talos is one of my fave aspects

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i had a meme 32 heat run

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draining cutter+ aphro special

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i didn’t touch the attack or cast button the whole run

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just infinite healing

covert spade Mar 19, 2021, 9:50 AM

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So how would I get better with Arthur?

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I mean I won my first run with it without Reflex but as much as I love the stupidly tanky playstyle, I kept getting hit while trying to hit the 3rd strike.

honest wing Mar 19, 2021, 10:02 AM

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3rd strike is usually hard to get but I think people around here recommend watching speedruns to learn the exact techinque of the dashing between attacks

magic rivet Mar 19, 2021, 10:09 AM

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stuck basalt just infinite healing

Poor man's Cursed Slash

dense basin Mar 19, 2021, 11:21 AM

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@covert spade Arthur's attacks cabe done outside of enemies and in the middle of animation dash into them. You can do such tricky dash attack for every movement - including special too. Try to do special attack and into mobs before striking ground and creating aura

covert spade Mar 19, 2021, 11:22 AM

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Huh. Good to know

dense basin Mar 19, 2021, 11:27 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpnOOhSftGc

YouTube

sleet gaming

YOU MAY BE USING THE SWORD WRONG... | Intermediate Guide | Hades v1.37

The swords are probably the most difficult weapon set to use, especially as you increase the heat from the Pact of Punishment. The reason is probably because the optimal way to use the sword -- DASH STRIKES -- is not intuitive. Dash-striking not only increases your damage potential but offers huge defensive benefits as well. In this video, I wa...

▶ Play video

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Some useful tips for all sword aspects

finite iris Mar 19, 2021, 11:46 AM

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Your 3 strike combo on Arthur does not get interrupted by dashing in between the strikes. Try to attack standing still, then dash + attack. You can also start attacking and then dash during the attack animation, resulting in really big swings on your second and third combo hit. I basically use special into a group of enemies and then start to attack + dash in a circle around them

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 11:51 AM

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yea the combo i really like using with arthur is attack then dashing

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its easy to chain once youre used to it and it makes you less likely to be hit

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something else thats pretty useful for me is if theres a huge swarm of attacks/enemies and youre having a hard time dodging, you can activate hallowed ground then dash out of the way

honest wing Mar 19, 2021, 11:54 AM

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I think Arthur has the most stuff on it, like the damage reduction + hella defense stuff special + plus chonky attacks AND extra helth

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 11:55 AM

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yea thats why its my fave aspect lmao

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but honestly all the sword aspects are really good imo

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 11:56 AM

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not zag aspect

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 11:57 AM

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max zag aspect is really good ok

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i took virtually no damage during hades fight using it

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 11:58 AM

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bruh

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zag aspect is the opposite of arthur, with no bonus health or damage reduction

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:00 PM

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well yea

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its super speedy

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so its really good when paired with hermes boons and cursed slash

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 12:06 PM

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flurry cursed slash

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:10 PM

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😫

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 12:11 PM

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what

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what is that supposed to mean?

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 12:11 PM

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me or he

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 12:11 PM

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the emoji

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what

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 12:11 PM

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either enjoying flurry cursed slash or hating it

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:12 PM

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enjoying

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 12:12 PM

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"tired face"

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 12:12 PM

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it looks like, uh

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:12 PM

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it looks like the person is uh

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 12:12 PM

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~~nevermind i'm not gonna say it~~

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:12 PM

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enjoying it

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 12:12 PM

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in a different way

valid prism Mar 19, 2021, 12:14 PM

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At high heat, when we think an aspect isn't good for 50 heat and +, there is always at least one person who used it and won

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So it's really a matter of if you're comfortable with an aspect more than if the aspect is good or not 😄

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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true

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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yeah

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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it really depends on preferred playstyle

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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i just dont understand why you would use zag sword

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over nem

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or arthur

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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i was just trying it out

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since i maxed it out for the skelly quest

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but i ended up really liking how it plays

valid prism Mar 19, 2021, 12:16 PM

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Ofc 60 heat won't be reachable with all of the aspects, but sword speaking, Retrash probably took them all to face EM4 at 50 heat and won

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 12:16 PM

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arthur is still my fave aspect but yea

valid prism Mar 19, 2021, 12:16 PM

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Zag included

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Not 100% sure but someone told me that Retrash's favorite sword aspect is Zag

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Arthur is scary on high heat, everything is faster than you with FO2

dense basin Mar 19, 2021, 12:22 PM

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Nah, it's easy to get used to FO2

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With dash attacks it's no problem

valid prism Mar 19, 2021, 12:23 PM

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Is aphrodite atk a must have on Arthur with synergy of weak effects and the special area?

final karma Mar 19, 2021, 12:23 PM

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Huh, so it seems the damage formula on the wiki isn't correct

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 12:23 PM

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i've heard that wiki/gamepedia may be outdated

final karma Mar 19, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Yeah,for example with hoarding slash, it adds on the 5 dmg with 100 obol after all other damage calculations. It's not affected by crit, or any other damage increase

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 12:25 PM

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that- i- don't know if that's supposed to be it because if that's the case hoarding slash sounds... weak

final karma Mar 19, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Yeah it surprised me too but I got the data right here.

turbid needle Mar 19, 2021, 12:27 PM

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it is pretty weak I heard

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sounds about right

final karma Mar 19, 2021, 12:28 PM

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With a basic slash doing 20 dmg, a 50% aphro buff,and a standard crit, and 100 obol with hoarding slash it should do 112.5. in reality it does 95

spiral badge Mar 19, 2021, 12:29 PM

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Hoarding slash..... bad??

final karma Mar 19, 2021, 12:30 PM

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So the formula should be
Damage = (base dmg + (1+ sum crit bonus ) + (1+sum dmg bonus) + (product (1-damage reduction)) )+ base dmg modifier

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I'm gonna test special on chiron bow next

final karma Mar 19, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Ah I see my confusion

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"Your attack deals bonus dmg equal to 5% of your current obol"

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I did check the chiron bow w/ concentrated volley, and that dmg bonus is added on to the base_dmg prior to other damage calculations

turbid needle Mar 19, 2021, 1:54 PM

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I’m loving the Nemesis aspect

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 2:09 PM

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@coarse nexus high DPS on Talos comes from either (1) focusing heavily on Cast, (2) starting Curse of Agony to get Divine Flourish + Divine Dash and get Merciful End, or (3) starting Lightning Strike into more boons from Lord Zeus and maybe Smoldering Air or Sea Storm.

Using the Special a lot will actually hurt your DPS. You use it mainly to pull in distant enemies or to apply the debuff on bosses and minibosses.

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But it's often faster to just dash towarda distant enemies. Gauging that comes with a lot of experience and practice.

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 3:15 PM

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turbid needle I’m loving the Nemesis aspect

nemesis is super fun yea

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just wondering does the talos debuff count as a status curse

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for priv. status

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 3:22 PM

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nope

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Its exclusive to god curses only

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 3:52 PM

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ok ty

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 3:53 PM

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@surreal wasp did you figure out how to submit your run for the challenge?

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 3:53 PM

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ah! i see it now

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im wrapping up a final but i will submit after, thank you :D

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Alright! dusa

idle carbon Mar 19, 2021, 4:06 PM

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do you use hestia like reload + shoot once and repeat ?

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never used it before so is this the way

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I'm trying out aspects I never tried b4

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 4:10 PM

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idle carbon do you use hestia like reload + shoot once and repeat ?

kinda depends on what you are fighting

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if you are fighting weak enemies then you will reload, shoot, and keep shooting

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if you are fighting strong enemies then i would reload and shoot

idle carbon Mar 19, 2021, 4:11 PM

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okay

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:11 PM

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what other boons should I be going for with curse of drowning?

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since it doesnt knock back so many boons don't work...

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:13 PM

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tbh

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wait actually nvm

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try to go all in and get deme + pos duo too imo

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 4:13 PM

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i dont think any boons help that

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maybe sea storm

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:13 PM

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honestly wouldnt go for curse of drowning lmao

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:14 PM

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sea storm needs knockback no?

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 4:14 PM

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"maybe"

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if it doesnt work then nothing will

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:14 PM

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just wanna try it out lol

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 4:14 PM

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wait

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mirage shot

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if mirage shot doesnt work then it is the worst boon in the game

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:14 PM

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lmao

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:14 PM

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oh yeah I wonder if mirage works.....

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:15 PM

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curse of drowning is my least fave out of all the cast duos lmao

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like if im going for flood shot duos i would go for deme + pos instead

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:16 PM

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true, I just need curse of drowning and freezing vortex to complete my duos quest lol

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both seem kinda bad....

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:17 PM

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freezing vortex is pretty good imo

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if theres like a swarm of enemies

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:17 PM

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oh?

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:17 PM

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and you aim it in the middle

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it can deal a good amount of damage

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freezing vortex is ares + dem right?

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:18 PM

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yeah

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:18 PM

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you can also combo it with artemis + ares

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:18 PM

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hmmm I guess I'll try to get it on my next hunting blades run

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:18 PM

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and its really good if you manage to get ares legendary

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since its slower

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so it hits more in 1 area

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I like of curse of drowning, it just demands a big adjustment to play style. You're basically loading the cast into Zag and charging into the enemies, which is not how casting usually works.

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 4:22 PM

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i just feel like its a poor man's tidal dash lmao

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 4:22 PM

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it kinda is

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it is poseidon call with extra steps

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Sure but if I had tidal dash and I got offered curse of drowning I wouldn't mind using both.

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Or maybe I picked blade dash so now I'm hitting those bad boys with vortices and curse of drowning.

slim lynx Mar 19, 2021, 4:47 PM

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woven ivy i just feel like its a poor man's tidal dash lmao

flood flare for people who don't have beowulf

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 4:49 PM

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cunning urchin <@!257227111574667264> did you figure out how to submit your run for the challen...

i just realized i submitted it as a message link and idk if that was clownery but idk how to edit it either

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SCGclown

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Did you clear it @surreal wasp ? I was pulling for ya!

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 4:59 PM

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just did a hunting blades run... didn't get the dem ares duo though...

slim lynx Mar 19, 2021, 5:03 PM

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you can't get freezing vortex if you already have hunting blades and vise versa

woven ivy Mar 19, 2021, 5:06 PM

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oh shoot

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my bad

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i didnt know that lmao

idle carbon Mar 19, 2021, 5:06 PM

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does pressure points stack with deadly strike

slim lynx Mar 19, 2021, 5:07 PM

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yes

idle carbon Mar 19, 2021, 5:07 PM

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thanks

last crystal Mar 19, 2021, 5:10 PM

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People who play on controller, did you remap any buttons or just stick with the default?

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 5:20 PM

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somber drum Did you clear it <@257227111574667264> ? I was pulling for ya!

i did ty :D

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my first lc4 run ever

pseudo jetty Mar 19, 2021, 5:23 PM

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ahahahaha gotcha rip freezing vortex

eternal quartz Mar 19, 2021, 5:50 PM

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last crystal People who play on controller, did you remap any buttons or just stick with the ...

I remapped it on my Xbox One controller - I've put Interact on RB, dash on RT, Special on LT, Summon - LB, Reload - Y, Attack - X, Cast - B, Call - A. It's not perfect, as sometimes I can use Summon by accident when using my Special, but I like it that way other than that 🙂

last crystal Mar 19, 2021, 6:07 PM

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eternal quartz I remapped it on my Xbox One controller - I've put Interact on RB, dash on RT, S...

Awesome! Thanks for that.

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Does the blade rift cast and hera bow work together

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:14 PM

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yes

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just not good

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Hm

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Was thinking of trying to aim for hunting blades

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Thought itd be fun with hera

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:19 PM

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i mean

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some people like it

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most people dont

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Its good with achilles and stuff

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:20 PM

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yeah

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Since 150% cast bonus

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:20 PM

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dem and ares cast builds are best with achilles spear

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Achilles?

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The spear?

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:20 PM

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yeah

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Oh ok

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Whats good casts for hera then

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:21 PM

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aphro

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artemis

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athena

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artemis is the best

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Any duo boons i should go witht hat

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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uh

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artemis

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heart rend

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aphro and athena

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Well yea

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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parting shot

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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aphrodite is the best

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on hera

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Does it bypass the short range

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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yes

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Thats why its so good

strange lark Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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yeah

fierce bronze Mar 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Ok

surreal wasp Mar 19, 2021, 7:34 PM

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i tried dionysus gauntlets with splitting headache and pressure points

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it kinda sucked :(

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tbf it was just for a prophecy but ow

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 7:58 PM

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dionysus gauntlets?

opal lodge Mar 19, 2021, 7:58 PM

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im assuming they mean drunken strike fists

abstract flower Mar 19, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Question regarding boonless runs: Are you forbidden from taking ANY boons, or just the core boons?

stone escarp Mar 19, 2021, 8:24 PM

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today is a sad day

stone escarp Mar 19, 2021, 8:24 PM

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abstract flower Question regarding boonless runs: Are you forbidden from taking ANY boons, or ju...

I just got back from one of these

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no boons at all

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but

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/685214638874427393/822566041397231631/Screen_Shot_2021-03-19_at_1.22.06_PM.png

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I succumbed to tight deadline

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I had a perfect boonless run going

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I was trying to do EM4, and I turned on TD2 like a fool

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I lasted over a minute and a half over the timer at least!

abstract flower Mar 19, 2021, 8:25 PM

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How is that possible if, in some chambers, you're forced to take a boon?

stone escarp Mar 19, 2021, 8:25 PM

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abstract flower How is that possible if, in some chambers, you're forced to take a boon?

you can sell them at purging wells, or use fated authority to roll them away

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I'm gonna cry lmao

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Oh man, that's a lofty challenge. I wonder if boonless Zag bow can even pump out the damage fast enough to clear EM4 on TD2.

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Well you never know until you try!

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 8:39 PM

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abstract flower Question regarding boonless runs: Are you forbidden from taking ANY boons, or ju...

Are you asking for the 100% Olympian-Free run clear message or for the high heat boonless leaderboard?

abstract flower Mar 19, 2021, 8:40 PM

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cunning urchin Are you asking for the 100% Olympian-Free run clear message or for the high heat...

the former

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 8:40 PM

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You may have any boons that are unpurgeable but no others.

abstract flower Mar 19, 2021, 8:42 PM

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how do I make sure I get the unpurgable boons?

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 8:43 PM

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You can pick up any boons during the run, but you'll need to get rid of them before you fight Hades.

abstract flower Mar 19, 2021, 8:43 PM

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ah

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Fated Authority can help.

abstract flower Mar 19, 2021, 8:43 PM

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can it be any heat?

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Yes.

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If you want the run clear message, you should also try to make sure you're not eligible for any others or the game will pick one at random. And if you're eligible for one that has priority, the one with with priority will be selected instead. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Run_Clear_Messages

Hades Wiki

Run Clear Messages

Run Clear Messages - Hades Wiki

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Is artemis cast good on aspect of hera?

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 9:45 PM

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I can't see why it wouldn't be, only that all of the Artemis boons are probably good on Hera. Whereas other for other olympians the cast might be distinctly better.

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 9:46 PM

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um...what?

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 9:47 PM

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For instance the Artemis cast, attack and special are all pretty strong on the bow. But the Poseidon cast is way more useful than the attack.

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 9:48 PM

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I see

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I seem to always want to put athena on my dash...

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It's just so good for defense

ripe glade Mar 19, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Any run ideas?... kinda fed up with the same stuff... any ideas on a run I should try?

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Mom pom start and see what you get

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 9:57 PM

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idk what you usually do so i can't say

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Then change your weapon according to that

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What you get first boon

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 9:58 PM

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God damn Charon is harder than Hades by a lot

ripe glade Mar 19, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I usually decide my run on the first room.. if I get an epic cast, special or whatever.. I'll restart to focus on that epic...

I've not played much with weak or deflection... any aspects or builds that work with that?

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 9:59 PM

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ripe glade Any run ideas?... kinda fed up with the same stuff... any ideas on a run I shoul...

Have you tried a Poseidon wall-slam focused build? They're fun when they work.

ripe glade Mar 19, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Rope a Dope.. yeah... I love that.. actually.. did a nice Dash Knockback with Gelgamesh... thats fun...

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 10:01 PM

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The one I try to go for...and this is a bad idea...is one based on tempest strike with Zag rail

clever barn Mar 19, 2021, 10:02 PM

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thalos fists with poseidon special for some yo-yo shenaningans

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Because wall slams do way more damage than the bullets themselves so it's like a bazillion fold improvement

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But even with tempest strike the knockback on rail sucks, razor shoals or something like that carries me

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But there's always that one rat in styx I manage to corner and that makes it all worth it.

ripe glade Mar 19, 2021, 10:03 PM

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somber drum The one I try to go for...and this is a bad idea...is one based on tempest strik...

I like a challenge... but my standard run would be heat 15ish..

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Rope-the-dope runs are fun.. especially if you can get hangover and then the duo Elussive boons... makes the run a lot of fun..

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Another strategy I'm experimenting with is using premium vintage + fated authority to see how how much health I can get. Fated Authority is cheap enough to level and you have a good chance of turning any blue laurel room into a nectar room.

cunning urchin Mar 19, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Have you tried any of the Hades Monthly Challenges?

distant oar Mar 19, 2021, 10:10 PM

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I have a question

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What if hades and poseiden are black abd then get enslaved by white men

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 10:16 PM

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well that uh isn't part of greek mythology so it's not possible?? ~~i don't even know what to do in this situation~~

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 10:43 PM

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What's the best shield aspect I should level up first?

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 10:44 PM

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chaos or beowulf

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 10:44 PM

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all 3 are pretty cool honestly

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Pretty sure beowolf isn't available...

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 10:44 PM

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it's just whatever you like i guess?

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you can use one, try it out, if you don't like press esc then "give up" to get your titan blood back i guess. But if you leave the courtyard you won't be able to get it back

opal vortex Mar 19, 2021, 10:47 PM

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That's good advice, thanks

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lol I just realized I successfully escaped with 1 heat before escaping with 0 heat on my shield...

clever barn Mar 19, 2021, 10:52 PM

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chaos is very good, zeus is pretty fun too

somber drum Mar 19, 2021, 10:57 PM

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opal vortex lol I just realized I successfully escaped with 1 heat before escaping with 0 he...

I feel like out of all the aspects Zeus scales the best with blood. Like the others are all potentially great but with Zeus I felt that damage immediately, every time.

silver summit Mar 19, 2021, 10:59 PM

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chaos is also good the more you give it

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it's also kinda bad at low levels lol

stark spade Mar 19, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Sup people

lime jolt Mar 19, 2021, 11:08 PM

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heyo

abstract flower Mar 20, 2021, 12:10 AM

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For the boonless run dialogue to show up, does that include chaos boons?

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 12:12 AM

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i think so??

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maybe its just olympians

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not too sure toh

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id just not take anything outside of hammers to be safe :3

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Guys can someone ping and answer me

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I’ve been playing this game for a while, I beat hades with all the weapons and my highest heat is 15

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But I’ve only been able to get so far just mindlessly following builds

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Is there a way to play more flex, so I don’t have to rely on builds so much.

abstract flower Mar 20, 2021, 12:48 AM

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dusky drum i think so??

Just tried it. Chaos boons are allowed.

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 12:48 AM

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oh neat :3

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 12:53 AM

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chrome girder Is there a way to play more flex, so I don’t have to rely on builds so much.

Go mom pom start

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See what you get

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 12:53 AM

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chrome girder Is there a way to play more flex, so I don’t have to rely on builds so much.

i feel like its hard to play "flexibly" in a game like this. every weapon has some sort of affinity and every person enjoys specific gods, and some gods just work amazingly compared to others. A lot of playing more "flex" is simply experience though. Me and many others are able to play well without boons via experience

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 12:53 AM

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Room with that

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 12:53 AM

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or listen to pengy

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 12:54 AM

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I start mom pom and change my weapon depending on whichever the first god is

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Also try doing challenge runs

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Or try and up the heat

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Pom blossom

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 12:55 AM

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Oh okay

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 12:56 AM

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Speedrunning is also fun

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I do it whenever I am sick of heat

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 12:56 AM

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Yeah I just feel like my gameplay is too reliant on boons and duo boons

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Like I’m not expressing any skills

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 12:56 AM

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Try boonless maybe?

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It’s a good challenge

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 12:56 AM

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True

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I’ll try that

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Thanks

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 12:57 AM

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chrome girder Like I’m not expressing any skills

Trying higher heat will definitely bring out your skills

chrome girder Mar 20, 2021, 12:57 AM

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Yeah I’ve mostly been using fists

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Merciful end

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Hold mouse down and space bar

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 12:57 AM

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I recommend setting 32 heat as a goal

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Or like a sub 10 if you’re speedrunning

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:19 AM

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So, im bored
So give me any weapon and build ideas i should do for runs

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:20 AM

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have you tried super soaker?

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:22 AM

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Ive done thunder soaker, yes

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So should I do that, but again?

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Or is there another one I could do?

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Just explore

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Try out all the aspects

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:24 AM

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I have 🤔

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Play around

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Try more heat

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Speedrunning

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:25 AM

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but may as well do an Achilles run

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:25 AM

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There is a lot of fun things you can do

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Achilles + flurry is nutty

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:26 AM

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I mean sure
But I'm not one for speedrunning-

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I like watching speedruns
But I don't think I can do one

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:26 AM

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is what you think

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But you can

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Yeah, but still
I mean, I can do a quick Hades run
but not in a competitive sense

coral cave Mar 20, 2021, 1:28 AM

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you can definitely do it with enough practice

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:28 AM

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^^^

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Also try upping the heat

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It feels good once you get your "heat" goal

coral cave Mar 20, 2021, 1:28 AM

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most common speedrun heat is 9 heat

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EM2 and FO2

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Jury summon says +20% enemies in "standard encounters" Does this mean Troves and mini boss encounters don't count?

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:29 AM

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I am upping the heat
to see what is under the other tarps

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Try and get 32 heat

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Once you beat that, move onto to higher goals

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:29 AM

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opal vortex Jury summon says +20% enemies in "standard encounters" Does this mean Troves and...

🤔
Probably not
but then again, I don't notice it as much

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:29 AM

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lime jolt Try and get 32 heat

I'm trying to get to max heat

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Lol have fun

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64 heat is no joke

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One person has done it

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And that was routed

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:31 AM

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routed?
And I thought no one had done it yet

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Baj has done it

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Huhs

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:33 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SOHrcKzC_g

YouTube

Baj

Hades - Maximum Heat Clear (Shield of Chaos, Zeus aspect, 64 heat, ...

DISCLAIMER : The voice at the end of the video isn't mine. Accidentally recorded Discord's audio, and people were watching my attempts live. They were mostly muted.

This was one heck of a project to work on. The route itself took around a week of planning, and then another week of troubleshooting to make sure it was still doable without the rou...

▶ Play video

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:35 AM

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flurry jab acquired

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and oh my

coral cave Mar 20, 2021, 1:36 AM

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still waiting on the tailesque 61 heat

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:37 AM

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why 61?

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:37 AM

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WR rn is 60

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Although the jump in difficulty between 60 and 61 wiill be huge

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You will have to take RI3

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 1:38 AM

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Y'know what?
Ima try this max heat after this Achilles run
see if I can't snap it in half

spiral badge Mar 20, 2021, 1:38 AM

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Lollll

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Do enjoy that

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You’re in for quite an experience

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:44 AM

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I would die chamber 1 at max heat

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Is that guy failing to summon because it changes the RNG?

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:51 AM

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Yep

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 1:59 AM

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lime jolt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SOHrcKzC_g

why is there no music ;w;

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Idk

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Baj was strimmin on discord

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:00 AM

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also whats the point of pressing the summon thing between every room?? is that since its routed or smth??

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:01 AM

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What kind of build do I typically want on the rail?

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:01 AM

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zeus on attack then just go ham

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unless its hestia

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in which get arte/aphro attack

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but generally just zeus attack and going for legendary is fun

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:02 AM

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legendary... zues's legendary?

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:02 AM

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yea

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:02 AM

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I assume all gods have 1 legendary?

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:02 AM

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yep

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:02 AM

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ok

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:03 AM

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besides hermes, he has 2

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but thats cast dependent

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everyone else only has 1

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 2:04 AM

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dusky drum why is there no music ;w;

Probably for less distractions

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Also summons change rng

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:04 AM

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lime jolt Probably for less distractions

ah thats fair yea

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:04 AM

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lime jolt Also summons change rng

wh-

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how and why

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 2:05 AM

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Try it out

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It works

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:09 AM

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I hate to ask but what are the prerequisites for legendary?

dusky drum Mar 20, 2021, 2:14 AM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Zeus

Hades Wiki

Zeus

Zeus is the god of the sky and thunder, and the ruler of the Olympian Gods. He offers boons to Zagreus which give his abilities chain lightning or lightning strikes.
Zeus boons excel at dealing damage to groups of enemies, as chain lightning effects bounce between enemies, and lightning strikes can hit multiple enemies.
His signature Status Curs...

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its a lot to write down but its in there :3

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 2:32 AM

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most leggos require two t2 boons which usually isn't that hard to get

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:42 AM

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Does the item that gives + boon rarity make it more likely for legendaries to drop?

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Damn... I took zeus every time I could and didnt get the legandary

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 2:51 AM

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opal vortex Does the item that gives + boon rarity make it more likely for legendaries to dr...

For zeus
it requires double strike, chain lightning, and high voltage
any two of the three work

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:53 AM

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I had lightening strike and chain lightning

void dune Mar 20, 2021, 2:54 AM

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Then you needed two of the three prerequisites

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 2:54 AM

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ok, whatever

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Still beat him with the chaos egg. lol

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is zeus pretty good on the twin fists too?

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Yes

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Very good

opal vortex Mar 20, 2021, 3:28 AM

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cool cool

covert rock Mar 20, 2021, 3:32 AM

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I just discovered that Hades has a second health bar.

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I was so goddamn happy to finally have beaten him.

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And then he pulls the most disgusting crap.

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I feel so cheated.

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 3:40 AM

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it could be worse

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really, it could be much worse and you'll understand soon enough

covert rock Mar 20, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Don't make me cry, pls.

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It's already hard enough as it is.

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I played the game for like 22 hours at this point.

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 3:42 AM

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:)

covert rock Mar 20, 2021, 3:42 AM

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I don't like your smile.

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:<

lime jolt Mar 20, 2021, 3:56 AM

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slim lynx :)

||em4 flashbacks||

covert rock Mar 20, 2021, 4:42 AM

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He's a piece of filth.

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Another hour run wasted.

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GODDAMNIT.

coral cave Mar 20, 2021, 5:03 AM

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f

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youll get there eventually

surreal wasp Mar 20, 2021, 6:13 AM

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gl beowulf!

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 6:50 AM

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How good is beowulf shield

half crater Mar 20, 2021, 6:53 AM

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very

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 6:53 AM

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its good

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dragon rush is really good

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esp if you have a flare boon

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 6:53 AM

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Flare boon?

half crater Mar 20, 2021, 6:53 AM

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cast boon

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 6:53 AM

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O

half crater Mar 20, 2021, 6:54 AM

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on beo they’re called “flare” instead of “shot”

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 6:54 AM

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For weapons that inject cast in it like hera and beowulf does it take casts like demeter dio and ares?

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How does it work

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Oh i see

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 6:54 AM

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so you load it to the shield

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and then it gets released when you bull rush

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 6:55 AM

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Interesting

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 6:55 AM

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its really good for killing swarms of enemies and bosses imo

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 6:55 AM

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I assume aphro cast is best for it then

half crater Mar 20, 2021, 6:55 AM

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beo doesn’t inject the casts into enemies like hera, if that’s what you mean

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 6:55 AM

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personally i used arty cast

half crater Mar 20, 2021, 6:56 AM

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fierce bronze I assume aphro cast is best for it then

aphro best for hera, poseidon or dio best for beo

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aphro is still solid for beo tho

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 6:56 AM

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O ok

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Ok thanks

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Ill do some tinkering around soon ig

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:30 AM

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hey

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any recommendations for easy builds?

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aspects etc.

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:30 AM

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do you have a weapon preference?

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if we're going by boons, a merciful end build is pretty easy

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:32 AM

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what's the easiest weapon these days? I have max darkness but most weapons not max blood except guan yu

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shield i heard is nerfed

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:32 AM

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that + divine dash and dire misfortune on a fast attacking weapon like stygius (except arthur aspect) should be easy to build and use

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:32 AM

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what's the merciful build

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:33 AM

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merciful end is the ares and athena duo boon

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:33 AM

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so start ares trinket?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:33 AM

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ares or athena

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its up to you

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:33 AM

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also is fists better or sword for that?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:34 AM

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honestly depends on which one you prefer

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if you have levelled up zag aspect i would recommend using that

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:34 AM

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jade estuary what's the easiest weapon these days? I have max darkness but most weapons not m...

ok since you have max guan yu

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arty special + charged skewer on guan yu is also a good build

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there is no easiest weapon tbh

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:36 AM

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kk

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I think I'll try merciful on fists so i can get the rewards

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i beat guan yu with a few heat

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what trinkets should I get for the mericful build

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:36 AM

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make sure you have god's mercy on mirror if youre gonna hunt for duo boons

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 AM

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ah yeah

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 AM

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trinkets? you mean keepsakes?

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 AM

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oh yeah

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btw shield used to be so much easier than other weapons haha

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 AM

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if thats what you mean then ares and athena ones if yo ucant get them to spawn

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 AM

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jade estuary btw shield used to be so much easier than other weapons haha

its still easiest weapon for beginners imo lmao

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:38 AM

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woven ivy if thats what you mean then ares and athena ones if yo ucant get them to spawn

other than this there isnt really any keepsake that you need to have

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 7:40 AM

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thanks!

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 7:41 AM

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np

tepid trail Mar 20, 2021, 7:43 AM

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i've been experimenting with spear lately, does anyone know any legit builds for achilles?

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 7:55 AM

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Best curse build in the game?

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 7:55 AM

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first time playing lucifer, no blood upgrades, but the triple bomb hammer makes it hilarious

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 7:57 AM

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sweet hornet first time playing lucifer, no blood upgrades, but the triple bomb hammer makes ...

Ares is good for that weapon

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i try it once

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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so I got aphro special, dio attack, and divine dash

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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the special sucks for that weapon imo

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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divine dash setting the special off is hilarious

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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divine dash is the best dash in the game

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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spam special, dash around

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finish off with attack if needed

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 7:59 AM

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its so frustrating that

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you need to upgrade guan yu to be playable

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 8:00 AM

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yeah, tried it once with no upgrades, it was frustrating

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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tepid trail i've been experimenting with spear lately, does anyone know any legit builds for...

achilles spear is the aspect i use the least on spear lmao

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i think ares attack would be good?

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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what is your main spear?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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guan yu

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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hades?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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maxed guan yu is really good

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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yeah that is the best when upgraded

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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like you get charged skewer

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and you just sweep everything

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 8:03 AM

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with charged skewer you don't even need attack

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 8:03 AM

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tepid trail i've been experimenting with spear lately, does anyone know any legit builds for...

Zeus attack is strong on fast weapons, get Flurry Jab and stack more Zeus boons, that’s a fun build I use often, pretty quick aswell

sweet hornet Mar 20, 2021, 8:03 AM

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wait, I mean the charging special one

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:03 AM

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zaglol we know that chiron is the best bow in the game

tepid trail Mar 20, 2021, 8:03 AM

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valid dagger Zeus attack is strong on fast weapons, get Flurry Jab and stack more Zeus boons,...

will try

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:04 AM

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sweet hornet wait, I mean the charging special one

yea thats the one i mean

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charged skewer

tepid trail Mar 20, 2021, 8:04 AM

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woven ivy i think ares attack would be good?

will try too

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:04 AM

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honestly with guan yu i rarely attack lmao

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:04 AM

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What is the best chiron buid guys?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:04 AM

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heart rend aphro attack arty special imo

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:04 AM

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crits ?

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i tried that one

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how about for dps?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:05 AM

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tepid trail will try too

yea if you end up getting it try getting dire misfortune and maybe passion dash with aphro and ares duo

tepid trail Mar 20, 2021, 8:06 AM

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alright

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:06 AM

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sleek quarry how about for dps?

honestly idk lmao

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i just go for heart rend build since it deals easy damage

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:08 AM

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i tried the demeter laser build

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with aphro

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its so bad zaglol

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:08 AM

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demeter cast?

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:08 AM

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yeah

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:08 AM

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aphro one is pretty bad yea

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 8:08 AM

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sleek quarry What is the best chiron buid guys?

Aphro Dionysis for Low Tolerance is also nice, I like playing Artemis Dio aswell

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:08 AM

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luckily i have the legendary

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:09 AM

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cuz to make it efficient you have to make the enemy go between you and the cast

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for deme cast just go for deme + arty duo tbh

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Whats a good weapon for hunting blades

sleek quarry Mar 20, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Duo of aphro and dem

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its so bad

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 8:12 AM

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fierce bronze Whats a good weapon for hunting blades

Achilles is a very popular one, you can also do Poseidon for the cast dmg, but since there is no lodging into enemies, Achilles would boost the cast more through rushing

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Poseidon?

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As in the dash or wut

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Oh wait the aspect

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:13 AM

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i think he meant aspects

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Im dum

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 8:14 AM

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Aspect yes

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Gives 50% Cast dmg

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 8:14 AM

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Alright

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:15 AM

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i forgot that raging rush boost also applies to cast lmao

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should use achilles aspect mroe

fierce bronze Mar 20, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Need to get the bounties for those too

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 8:17 AM

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woven ivy i forgot that raging rush boost also applies to cast lmao

I actually went with guanyu -- whats the charging skewer build?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:17 AM

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just get artemis special and charging skewer and you should be good tbh

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chaos boons are also good for increasing special damage

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the hermes boon that increases special speed is also a good addition

jade estuary Mar 20, 2021, 8:20 AM

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damn i only got the skewer that's good against armor

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breaching skewer for my first hammer

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 8:20 AM

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with guan yu just focus everything on special imo

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cuz guan yu has a really good special

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i think its the only weapon where i rarely use the attack

idle carbon Mar 20, 2021, 10:33 AM

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I finished 32 gy without using the special once

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it's doable both ways

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just spammed spin

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:34 AM

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yeah i always use spin

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quick spin with serpent hammer or massive spin is pretty good

idle carbon Mar 20, 2021, 10:34 AM

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had quick spin + massive spin

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it was a breeze

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:34 AM

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i usually put athena on the attack and then get, uh, arty athena duo

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~~i just like the massive deflect the duo is just a bonus to damage~~

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 10:37 AM

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quick spin is really good for guan yu yea

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but i focus on special since spin is risky without the correct hammers imo

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:40 AM

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~~i never use special, like on any weapon~~

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 10:41 AM

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understandable lmao

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i only use special frequently on like

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:41 AM

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rail

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 10:41 AM

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guan yu and zeus

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special is pretty slow usually so i dont use it often

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 10:42 AM

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yeah i guess chaos and zeus i could see

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i just don't use those 2

idle carbon Mar 20, 2021, 10:49 AM

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though you can't just not use the special on aspect of nemesis for example

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it's the whole purpose

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but yes on some weapons special is not needed at all

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(beowulf)

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 11:04 AM

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simple: i just don't use aspects that require special

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 11:13 AM

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yea i never use special on beo

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beo is just cast and rush for me lmao

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 12:26 PM

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i sometimes do it for the meems

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when there's no enemies ofc

turbid needle Mar 20, 2021, 12:57 PM

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I tried a pos/zeus build with chiron
I got zeus' legendary before megaera and the pos zeus duo and pos legendary before theseus

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I had so much fun

magic rivet Mar 20, 2021, 2:19 PM

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But did you get the poseidon legendary?

static karma Mar 20, 2021, 2:50 PM

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What are good builds for Arthur?

turbid needle Mar 20, 2021, 2:55 PM

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silver summit simple: i just don't use aspects that require special

No Eris?

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 2:56 PM

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static karma What are good builds for Arthur?

arty strike, aphro flourish heart rend is pretty good

terse coral Mar 20, 2021, 2:58 PM

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continuing from #h1-victory-boasting , I'm not going for super-optimal play currently

lucid oar Mar 20, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Often mobility is far more important than damage. On my normal runs I go all red up to the last 4 where I go yellow yellow red yellow

terse coral Mar 20, 2021, 2:58 PM

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just fooling around and slowly ramping Heat over time

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 2:58 PM

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tbh

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i think most of the green/yellow mirror perks are meh compared to their alternatives

lucid oar Mar 20, 2021, 2:59 PM

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They are more situational

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 2:59 PM

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ruthless reflex is pretty hard to use compared to just getting 1 extra dash

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 2:59 PM

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the mirror perks can be very heavily build-dependent

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 2:59 PM

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true

lucid oar Mar 20, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Like golden touch you'll use in a max gold run

woven ivy Mar 20, 2021, 3:00 PM

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i use golden touch more than the other one now lmao

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 3:00 PM

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priv status vs family favourite for example, going for a build that's mainly just artemis? take family favourite

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going for something like aphro/demeter? take priv. status

lucid oar Mar 20, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Only one that's definitively better is dark foresight and fated persuasion

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IMO

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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dark foresight is totally better lol

terse coral Mar 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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a bit off topic but the thing about my last run is, I got Fully Loaded

magic rivet Mar 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Fully Loaded is nice

lucid oar Mar 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Hard to get though

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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authority is very situational, it's like it only really shines if you're going for one of those weird meme runs like "extremely high max hp with centaur hearts" or "one god only"

terse coral Mar 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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my Cast was super busted

magic rivet Mar 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Often though it's not necessary in a cast build

terse coral Mar 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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I think I burned down final boss in 1-2 mins

lucid oar Mar 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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It's good with Achilles and Poseidon sword, but cast damage is better with beo and hera

slim lynx Mar 20, 2021, 3:08 PM

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personally i always take +casts over +cast damage

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say you only have one cast, do you take +36% cast damage or +1 cast stone

lucid oar Mar 20, 2021, 3:13 PM

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slim lynx say you only have one cast, do you take +36% cast damage or +1 cast stone

Well +1 casts is like +33% damage, then +25% damage etc. I normally take extra casts over cast damage with Achilles because going from +150% to +185% is not that noticable

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 3:21 PM

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turbid needle No Eris?

nope haven't unlocked it yet

fallen sable Mar 20, 2021, 3:53 PM

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+33% casts is not equivalent to +33% damage, the former also gets the benefit of all your other damage bonuses while the latter only applies to base damage

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 4:58 PM

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For +1 ammo,

   (current_bonus_dmg + 1) /
   current_max_ammo```For +2 ammo,
```added_bonus_dmg =
   2 * (current_bonus_dmg + 1) /
   current_max_ammo```
That's not factoring in rate of fire or ammo regeneration.

hybrid fractal Mar 20, 2021, 5:17 PM

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For the challenge, are those the only conditions you can have or can you add other pact conditions /boons/ect? I dun geddit

eternal quartz Mar 20, 2021, 5:18 PM

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hybrid fractal For the challenge, are those the only conditions you can have or can you add oth...

You can, the conditions given are the minimum for the challenge to be valid.

hybrid fractal Mar 20, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Oh ok I see!

pseudo jetty Mar 20, 2021, 6:08 PM

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does ravenous will work with hera/beowulf loading?

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:27 PM

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dude I got the 3 worst hammers to pick from on eris rail

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delta chamber hazard bomb and ricochet fire

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I'm considering ricochet fire but is there any point coz zeus attack

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I have artemis special but then

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:28 PM

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pick hazard bomb and do this month's daily challenge lul

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:28 PM

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OH RIGHT I FORGOT ABOUT THE CHALLENGE

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THIS IS PERFECT THEN

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THANK OYU

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:28 PM

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would zeus attack activate every time it hits an enemy with riccochet?

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:28 PM

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I would think so yea

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:28 PM

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oh lmao

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then it's not too bad i guess, but yeah, monthly challenge!!

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:29 PM

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one shotting boss phases with hazard bomb artemis

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:30 PM

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o wow

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just don't oneshot yourself with hazard bomb artemis

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she can crit you too

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:30 PM

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wait so if I stand in the hazard bomb and I'm not empowered yet, would the bomb blast be empowered

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:30 PM

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i don't think it would

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I have chaos special damage too man that might hurt

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:31 PM

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that will hurt

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lol

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:31 PM

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what happens when I have 4 gods already and I force a fifth

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do I just have a five god pool now?

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:32 PM

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yeah

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:40 PM

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critting on myself for a whole 21 damage

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I'm pretty sure I've taken two of my own DD

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and I have em4 on too

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I'm not gonna survive this

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:40 PM

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just hope for a mister patty patroclus

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:44 PM

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yea just lost my 4rd too if I dont see patty I dont have a run

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:44 PM

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do you have thane

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athena

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:46 PM

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no

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miraculously survived the champions

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:48 PM

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i guess just take skelly to be safe and keep obols in hopes for a KoS

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~~otherwise, time to no hit the boss!!~~

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:51 PM

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damn I got zeus and pos legendaries

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it was such a good seed tho I got pos and artemis naturally had zeus then dem keepsake that's like exactly the 4 gods I want

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but one bad hammer ruined it all

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 6:52 PM

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Is it the fishing one tho

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:52 PM

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no no

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the real one

valid dagger Mar 20, 2021, 6:52 PM

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fishing one is the real deal

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:52 PM

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~~fishing boon hard carries me~~

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:52 PM

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imagine getting the fishing one in styx

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damn I died

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do you have to finish a run for the monthly challange

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:55 PM

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i believe so

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Victory screens required, unfortunately...

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:57 PM

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F

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:57 PM

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rip

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 6:57 PM

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I'll try again at some other point

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I freed orpheus tho so that's great

somber drum Mar 20, 2021, 6:58 PM

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If anything will make him sing again it's the hilarious story of that time you crit yourself in front of the Champions of Elysium.

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 6:58 PM

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!!
"That's an extremely saddening story, my friend! I hope you no longer feel the pain from that now that you are back here!"

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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@honest wing keep in mind you need to have LC4 on for the challenge. Rules are pinned in this channel. Good luck! dusa

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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oh

cunning urchin Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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And yes, you need to win the run.

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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that's great then

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I'll try it properly some other time

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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oh i didn't notice that

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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just LC4 right no other heat required?

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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sorry pyro i guess good thing you died >.>"

honest wing Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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yea lmaoo

silver summit Mar 20, 2021, 7:00 PM

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"Conditions:
Aspect: Eris
Daedalus upgrade: Hazard Bomb
Boons: Deadly Flourish
Pacts: Lasting Consequences 4"

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you can take any more pacts of your choice but LC4 is required

toxic river Mar 20, 2021, 7:01 PM

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which athena boon lets me attack without interruption?

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i can't find it in the codex