h1-builds-and-combat

[turbid needle]

Power Shot hits that hard?

[cunning urchin]

I just use it like a Dash-Upper without charging.

[turbid needle]

Ah.

[cunning urchin]

You get base damage and range. It's also much easier to whiff Explosive Upper than it is to whiff Kinetic Launcher.

[turbid needle]

Okay. I'd also recommend Long Knuckle. Hitting multiple enemies with a single Attack will charge Giga-Cutter multiple times.

[raw pumice]

What's typically the best weapon to beat Mino and Theseus

[cunning urchin]

It also feels like you recovery faster, probably because there's no hitstop/hit freeze when you use Kinetic Launcher but a lot of it when you use Explosive Upper.

[raw pumice]

I can play all but Aegis, too slow

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Long Knuckle is probably the next after Breaching Cross.

Hmmm. For Special, I would currently say:
Kinetic Launcher > Explosive Upper > don't care for the rest.

For Attack:
Breaching Cross > Long Knuckle > Rolling Knuckle > whatever.

[raw pumice]

Best Daedalus for Gun?

[turbid needle]

Depends on the Aspect.

[raw pumice]

First one

[turbid needle]

Spread Fire.

[cunning urchin]

Been meaning to do some runs with Flying Cutter, though.

[raw pumice]

I have Targeting System, Hazard Bomb and Delta Chamber

[turbid needle]

Targeting System if you wanna play safe, Hazard if you're feeling freaky.

[cunning urchin]

120 base damage Special is huge, but it also comes with having to use your normal Special rather than Dash-Special.

[worldly pier]

Hazard anyday. It's very strong by itself, and can carry a run with a special boon

[turbid needle]

See, that's where the long Dash-Strike window gets me.

[cunning urchin]

It's something you can adjust for if you're aware of it. It does give your Special better range.

[raw pumice]

For Athena

[turbid needle]

I need to test that range more. I know sometimes the first hitbox will miss and the second will just deal the full damage (that's what it looks like is happening).

[raw pumice]

I got Strike, Flourish and Phalanx Shot

Which would be best for gun?

Strike?

[turbid needle]

Phalanx Shot.

[raw pumice]

I don't like cast

[cunning urchin]

Flourish then.

[brazen nest]

hera is best bow?

[turbid needle]

Rama.

[brazen nest]

huh

i do like rama, but sometimes i get tire of the super slow charge

[halcyon lynx]

Best spear aspect?

[brazen nest]

depends

best moveset is guan yu, but it's pretty hard to play and the reduced life is ehhh

achilles is pretty braindead

rush, cast, rush, cast

[turbid needle]

hera worst bow kindof

If your worst is an A-, you're doing alright.

[brazen nest]

hades i don't have much experience, but i hear it's good at level 5

worst bow is probably chiron which is the best for complete noobs

[cunning urchin]

Hera is the most successful for speedruns at the moment.

[brazen nest]

(my first clear was with chiron)

zag bow is super fun, not optimal, but fun

[turbid needle]

I dont know anything about speedruns 🥴

im trying 40 heat all bows and hera is the only one I cant get going rn

[brazen nest]

rama is slow but melts things

[turbid needle]

Rama still has Heat?

[cunning urchin]

Rama is the best at high heat, and I'd put Chiron in second place.

Rama isn't slow.

[brazen nest]

i think i'll go a zag bow run, just to change things a bit

my last 5 bow runs were rama

[turbid needle]

zag bow is rly cool

I liked it so much more than I thought

crits feel good

[brazen nest]

oof

kinda got the worst hammer for hestia

spread fire, delta chamber and triple bomb

kinda want to try spread fire, but im afraid

[cunning urchin]

Spread Fire won't affect your Empowered Shot.

Triple Bomb is the way to go.

[livid ginkgo]

does anyone have any lucifer builds?

[cunning urchin]

The tried and true is just Lightning Strike.

[spiral badge]

spread fire is actually backwards good for hestia. Retains the long-range power shot as the first shot, and gives you something better to do with the rest of the mag that actually jives with the attack boons you put on hestia rather than just instantly reload. Enables a nice kind of select-fire play where you either instantly reload or dump out the rest of the mag quickly to finish an enemy off

[brazen nest]

i see

well, i went with triple, but now should i go for piercing fire or seeking fire?

[lime jolt]

Seeking for eris

Piercing definitely for hestia @brazen nest

It’s my favorite hestia hammer

[ember mica]

Can hangover damage crit with Pressure Points?

[raw pumice]

What are the best boons for Gun?

I might use Zeus because the chain is really nice

[heavy chasm]

Hi chat! Is there a more concise guide on the "OP" builds? Either separate(IE: multiple links) or consolidated.

Thanks.

[thick latch]

Yes it can

Hangover, pressure points, and huntermark make for a fun combo

You can get chains of crit damage its great

[opal vortex]

just had a pretty strong build with 3 death defiants and didn't finish off hades. 😦

I had two god gauge auto fill boons with the athena call so I could deflect every 5 seconds basically

[lime jolt]

Nice

You’ll get there

[tame zodiac]

abyssal blood or boiling blood for Arthur?

[fervent elbow]

Boiling blood

[opal vortex]

I have 1400 gold with the hoarding slash boon...lol

about to get killed by theseus wish me luck

[rare gyro]

Good luck

[opal vortex]

nvm kicked his ass

[rare gyro]

Gratz

[opal vortex]

does Hades use "traps"

those green urns maybe?

[static karma]

How do I use Aspect of Hades?

I don't know what gods are good on attack

[rich dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/820481214166073384/unknown.png
I love the builds you can make in this game so much, the variety is excelent

[rich dust]

It's pretty easy, it's basically your spin attack adding a massive damage buff on enemies

[rich dust]

If you want to up your attack damage then you should look out primarily for Aphrodite, Demeter and Athena

Athena and Demeter give the second largest raw damage buff to your attack & special. (Ignoring Poseidon, which has less on attack but more on special) Aphrodite deals the most. If you want something really simple just get one of these for your attack, spin at enemies and then use your high damaging attack

getting high spin damage is very helpful too as you're gonna use it a lot

[opal vortex]

if I have 1900 gold and the boon that gives +5% damage equal to my total gold should I just keep it for the hades fight?

I don't have any duo boons but I don't really know what I would go for anyway

[rich dust]

sounds good, thats 95+ per slash

post full build

[opal vortex]

er...

[rich dust]

but like

if there is anything particulary great on the shop then you can grab it too

if you spend like 900 obols you're still at +50 which is great

[opal vortex]

https://imgur.com/VFT2cfO

[rich dust]

ya i think you can do it

[opal vortex]

I actually just wanted to get brilliant riposte because it's the last one I need for the fate bonus thing...

but I never got offered

[rich dust]

o

is there any athena around

[opal vortex]

no

but I have not beat hades yet so I'd rather do that anyway

[rare gyro]

Wait, you're getting your first Hades kill with hoarding slash?

Absolute madlad. Go get him.

[opal vortex]

I lost 😦

got close though. Unless he gets up a 2nd time...

his 1st phase was pretty easy so that's an improvement

could have gotten a titan blood though

[autumn viper]

what are good strats for beowulf?

[static karma]

@vagrant maple someone wants beo tips

Pseudo is the Beowulf master

[opal vortex]

swift strike + flurry slash. LOL

i have deflect on attack too. I wonder if anything could hit me if I just swing toward it

[autumn viper]

lmao lmao i have poseidon on cast and zeus just offered me sea storm AND lightning rod

idk which to take

[static karma]

Sea storm > lightning rod

By a lot I think

[limber cloak]

Pretty sure sea storm doesn't proc on beo casts

[autumn viper]

my problem with beo is that its really fun but by the time you get to [redacted] it ends up feeling quite slow

[cold coyote]

you can say hades

[autumn viper]

oh okay thanks, i wasnt sure about the spoiler rules in the channel

[cold coyote]

rules say spoilers allowed

so you good

[autumn viper]

thanks haha

too used to the hades fb group where practically everything is spoiler tagged

[cold coyote]

that's why discord is superior

[vagrant maple]

Thats interesting because I find beo to probably be the best weapon in the game vs hades

[cold coyote]

looks at your name

checks out

[vagrant maple]

With a strong cast build, you can clear phases of his health bar in just a few volleys of casts

Oh and sea storm does not proc on pos beo cast, but it does proc off of the attack and bull rush

So its still pretty good

As for builds the main ones are Poseidon cast and dio cast

Dio cast uses stygian soul

For each you want to try to find arty attack and mirage shot to scale your damage

Chaos extra casts and cast damage are both massive

[limber cloak]

beo is painful before elysium

And then it wrecks everything after elysium

[tame zodiac]

does arctic blast only damage enemies surrounding the one that triggered it? Or does it also damage the source of arctic blast?

[autumn viper]

was gunning for mirage shot with poseidon cast on my run earlier, sadly didnt come thru

[fringe jacinth]

whats a good arthur build

[serene zealot]

Any attack that hits hard, Aphrodite and Artemis would be my recommendations.

The rest you can build like a normal sword, they work the same regarding what works best.
Keep in mind that slower moves are better for applying Doom and other non stack/weaker curses, while faster moves prefer Hangover or Zeus’ lightning.

[fringe jacinth]

gotcha!

[manic willow]

Gilgamesh tips?

[magic rivet]

You can press down to dash or dash strike instead of spamming dash

[manic willow]

Okay

[limber cloak]

dash strike on gilga is terrible @manic willow lol

It deals like 25 dmg

Dont use the dash strike too often

Try to attack as often as possible

Run ruthless reflex instead of greater reflex on the mirror imo

You can also do a dash only gilga build, which is very fun

[static karma]

Gilgamesh is the one time you want ruthless over greater

[limber cloak]

Shield also likes ruthless

especially zag and zeus

[static karma]

Ruthless for shield? Why?

I never tried it

[limber cloak]

Shield's dash strike makes you slide a bit

So you can use it as an extra dash

Try to watch baj's play with zeus shield, you'll understand what i mean

[manic willow]

Okay thanks for the advice!!!

[ruby igloo]

did Eris rail get nerfed really hard?

i feel like im doing no damage

[willow fossil]

It was a while ago now

But yeah it got nerfed

[ruby igloo]

how bad?

its just the duration?

[coral cave]

Went from 8 to 4 seconds

[ruby igloo]

ty

[rich dust]

Does " Decay " from demeter work with Privileged Status?

[limber cloak]

nope

[cunning urchin]

It receives bonus damage from it, but it doesn't proc Privileged Status.

[rich dust]

that is very unfortunate

[honest wing]

I died to EM hades this is so sad

I had a good build too, eris rail end everything

didn't have the right hammers tho

but I got him to phase 3 and everything

I'm guessing I should have taken more health along the way and the health keepsake instead of acorn

[obsidian kestrel]

Because I don't know how to read what room I clicked, does Cluster Bomb increase Eris damage

[flat garden]

no

[obsidian kestrel]

Good to know.

Second question, does Demeter's Rare Crop work favorably in the Styx, or does it only check at the end

[flat garden]

i am pretty sure each room counts

much like the mom pom

though don't quote me on that

[obsidian kestrel]

I wanna test, but that sounds annoying to test right this second

Wish the wiki had corner case stuff, but most wikis don't get that deep ig.

There's more popular games with worse wikis

[rich dust]

the wikis in this game are pretty good

i dont see the problem

many have very lackuster or outright terrible wikis

[static karma]

Does vicious skewer only boost the crit chance of special or is it global crit chance?

And how long after recovery/how many attacks does crit bonus apply to?

[obsidian kestrel]

I'm just picky cause I want every single interaction ever listed in the wiki

easy thing to demand, right

[honest wing]

remember how I died to em4 hades, I just defeated em4 hades with full health and all dds

[limber cloak]

nice, thats a pretty big feat

[turbid needle]

last time I played w this boon it checked every small styx room

[coral cave]

checks every styx room yeah

[turbid needle]

so basicially free legendary if you have time

[limber cloak]

heroic*

yeah

[honest wing]

thanks, it's all because of artemis cluster rockets lmao

totally just 4-shotted the last phase

also the cerebrus summon thing seems fairly easy to dodge

[limber cloak]

yeah just go to the right of the arena

[wispy quarry]

Hey, I ain't new, but at the same time some of the game's edge cases and niche mechanics escape me, is there a "tier" of critical hit that can be applied? Like 2x, 3x, etc?

I'm trying to wrap my head around all the different buffs and critical hit effects that need to land for someone to deal 7864 damage on the tail end of an Arthur swing.

[obsidian kestrel]

Artemis cast feels pretty nice getting off twice

[manic willow]

Just unlocked Lucifer

It’s hilarious

Any tips for builds for it?

[worldly aspen]

tbh i’m always a fan of zeus attack for the rail

the lighting damage is chefs kiss

i believe one of my favorite builds with lucifer is triple special from daedalus and artemis special

the damage on that one is pretty nutty

[manic willow]

Ooh sounds cool thanks

[worldly aspen]

sure thing :)

tbh i’m not a fan of the rail in general which i know is an unpopular opinion lmao

[opal lodge]

thats pretty much the way to go for luci

triple bomb/beam/flash fire

and then zeus attack arty sepcial

cant go wrong

[honest wing]

is artemis attack on hestia worth doing

[coral cave]

yes

very

[honest wing]

aight

[obsidian kestrel]

Crit

is always worth.

for the GREED

[cunning urchin]

Crits do 3x damage normally and 4.5x with Heart Rend.

[honest wing]

don't forget clean kill and hide breaker

[limber cloak]

clean kill is additive right?

also hide breaker does next to nothing, your normal 3x crits will one hit most armor anyway

unless youre running crits on something like fist attack

[cunning urchin]

Yes, it's additive. No, they won't.

[honest wing]

damn

[limber cloak]

first to transfer convo from #h1-victory-boasting

[idle carbon]

patroclus is bae

run saver

[limber cloak]

absolutely

patty is just a great sight on every type of run

[lime jolt]

I always get early patty

[coral cave]

Patty is just bae in general

[lime jolt]

So I’m sad

[coral cave]

He is a hunk

[limber cloak]

aside from like, lambent plume or pierced butterfly runs

[limber cloak]

i think the last time i got a c34 patty was like, 30 runs earlier lmao

[lime jolt]

lol

[limber cloak]

i got a c33 patty in my recent pb

so its decent

wait no

it was 31

[lime jolt]

I always get c28/29

And I have never gotten a fountain in my 50 runs

I’m thinking of doing what nyaanyaa said and taking shackle into elysium

[idle carbon]

well the moment that you feel like the run is ruined

and he appears just before the boss gate

[limber cloak]

fr? thats sad

i got an insane asphodel in my 40 heat hestia attempt

exited at like 4:45 igt

i got like a miniboss>eurydice>fight>fountain

[silver summit]

speaking of speedruns, do you prioritize non-encounters to save time? shops, npcs, chaos? you hope for a fountain? do you take erebus?

[limber cloak]

yes and no

no to erebus, yes to free rooms

watch some other speedruns, or read/watch the speedrunning guide on speedrun.com/hades

[lime jolt]

Yea erebus bad

Unless you’re running merciful end and see athena in Erebus

[coral cave]

You never take erebus since time is counted there

[lime jolt]

But sometimes you still don’t take it

[coral cave]

Only very situational

[limber cloak]

the only reason you take erebus is if its really early and its a god that you want desperately

[lime jolt]

Yeah

[coral cave]

Yeah

[lime jolt]

Like athena

In merciful end

[limber cloak]

e.g chamber 3 athena erebus on a merciful end build is ok

because getting tartarus ME will save you more time than you will lose in the erebus

[idle carbon]

speedrun is kinda rng in styx no ?

[limber cloak]

yes

it is

[lime jolt]

Yes

[idle carbon]

I mean if u don't get the fountain at the second one

[limber cloak]

it is rng in every biome

[idle carbon]

it's ruined

[limber cloak]

pretty much

yes

[idle carbon]

sucks

[lime jolt]

Fountains aren’t necessary

[limber cloak]

they mean sack

fountain=sack

[idle carbon]

sack yea

[lime jolt]

In my 8:22 pb I didn’t get a fountain

[honest wing]

yo

hestia rail - rocket bomb or hazard bomb?

[limber cloak]

speedruns are a mix of skill and rng

[lime jolt]

Hazard

[limber cloak]

hazard

yes

[honest wing]

aight

[idle carbon]

triple bomb vs cluster bomb

[limber cloak]

cluster

[idle carbon]

but triple is easier to aim + more dmg

[lime jolt]

Without rocket, triple is better

[idle carbon]

on the other hand cluster is so fun

[limber cloak]

it isnt more dmg

• cluster is much more aoe

[lime jolt]

But if you already have rocket, take cluster

[silver summit]

what's merciful end again?

[limber cloak]

duo between athena and ares

[lime jolt]

Triple is actually better without rocket bomb

[limber cloak]

that makes doom proc whenever you hit enemies with deflecting things

[idle carbon]

more spesifically, which one is better on eris ?

[limber cloak]

eh, id argue not

[lime jolt]

Cluster

[limber cloak]

cluster if youre speedrunning

[lime jolt]

Definitely

[idle carbon]

okay

[limber cloak]

you can take whatever if youre not speedrunning

[lime jolt]

Lol I just realized I didn’t even have cluster rockets in my PB

[limber cloak]

eh, its not necessary

[lime jolt]

True

[limber cloak]

my pb doesnt have it

[lime jolt]

But it’s big damage

[limber cloak]

the #2 run on the board doesnt have cluster rockets

[lime jolt]

So it’s nice to have

[lime jolt]

Ananke?

Right

[limber cloak]

nope

tounis

[idle carbon]

there are some hammer upgrades I never take like idk why they even exist

lemme get you an example sec

[lime jolt]

Because you don’t take them

Thats why they exist

To make you take them

[limber cloak]

pengy smart

[idle carbon]

okay there isn't a single useless upgrade for rail

[coral cave]

Galaxy brain

[idle carbon]

let me see other weapons

and yes 300 iq

[limber cloak]

hazard bomb on eris lmao

[lime jolt]

Thank you thank you

[limber cloak]

spread fire is bad on anything other than zag rail too

[lime jolt]

Shiitake pulled of spread fire on eris in the Hermès cup

But hyper delivery probably helped

[limber cloak]

i havent watched that one yet

lol

[coral cave]

How would spread fire on luci work

[limber cloak]

eternal chamber

[coral cave]

Eternal isn't too bad

[limber cloak]

it is very bad

[coral cave]

No

[idle carbon]

okay for example point-blank shot

[limber cloak]

unless youre running super soaker and already have sea storm

[idle carbon]

why

[lime jolt]

On super soaker it’s actually fun

Yeah

[limber cloak]

thats a very good bow hammer

[coral cave]

You are nitpicking and biased I win bye bye

[silver summit]

eternal chamber isn't bad if you're using a strat that doesn't use the attack as the main source of damage

like merciful end

[lime jolt]

ME on lucy

[silver summit]

the attack isn't the main source of damage, it's the doom

so

i guess

[idle carbon]

it forces you to melee with bow

[lime jolt]

I guess that could work

[limber cloak]

i play with a usb steering wheel, i am clearly the superior person here

[lime jolt]

It’s really good

[limber cloak]

its not that close honestly

[lime jolt]

With triple and point blank

[coral cave]

I play with my sheer mind power

Get on my level

[limber cloak]

i am a black elderly woman though??

and have a jake paul poster in my gaming room

le epic

[idle carbon]

I can see it slightly working with rama

I guess

idk

[coral cave]

I am a 120 year old Mexican nona

[limber cloak]

it works with other bows too

[honest wing]

paper why are you like this

[silver summit]

i have a feeling you play hades with telepathy

[coral cave]

And I have maverick merch

[lime jolt]

It’s extremely good on rama

[limber cloak]

lmao what

[silver summit]

not kb and mouse

[coral cave]

Yes

[silver summit]

not controller

[honest wing]

jake paul 😭

[silver summit]

just telepathy

[limber cloak]

im just spouting references from videogamedunkey lol

its jokes

videogamedunkey is a youtuber

[coral cave]

Call me scarlet witch or something idk

Magneto maybe

[limber cloak]

that reviews video games, obviously, humorously

[coral cave]

I hate dubkey he is nitpicking and biased

I win bye bye

[idle carbon]

you know when I am playing the game I usually skip 90% of the hammers

[limber cloak]

assasin's creed is a good franchise

[idle carbon]

but now I'm looking at the wiki

they don't look that useless

[lime jolt]

Exactly

That’s why they exist

[limber cloak]

lol do you like not even read their descriptions

[idle carbon]

I do

I think it's cuz

I am always aiming for the same builds

[coral cave]

' a hammer? What's that gonna do? Knock the enemies out?' painkakke probably

[idle carbon]

I mean if I am given a choice between breaching cross and kinetic launcher on demeter

I'll pick breaching without thinking idk

900% damage on armor like

[lime jolt]

Kinetic is fun

[idle carbon]

come on

[coral cave]

Kinetic do be fun

But breaching is madness

[limber cloak]

breaching is probably best fist hammer though

so youre not wrong for picking it

exploding and kinetic are pretty fun on dem too

so try em out

you'll never know what you like if you dont try it

[opal vortex]

Thanking about trying to force a win by simply maxing out dodge... the plume keepsake seems to have a "cascade" effect where the more dodge you get the more likely you will be to get 0 damage in an encounter...

thinking*

[limber cloak]

theres a dodge limit iirc

so you dont become entirely invincible with like 100% dodge

but dodge builds are fun, so go for it

[opal vortex]

that's not what the wiki says

[limber cloak]

wiki is wrong about a lot of things lol

[opal vortex]

it says "nigh invincible"

[idle carbon]

yea the wiki seems a lil outdated

[opal vortex]

ah, ok

[limber cloak]

you wont be completely invincible, there is a limit to how much stuff you can dodge

but i dont think anyone knows what it is

or rather, there isnt a conclusive concrete answer to what it is

but again, dodge builds are really fun and they practice you to go fast

[opal vortex]

So maybe I'll just try out the broken spearpoint. Seems decent for tanking hits. Maybe better than acorn

[limber cloak]

so try it out

broken spearpoint isnt better than acorn lol

its just useful in styx if you get hit a lot by poison dmg

[idle carbon]

broken spearpoint is great in styx

[limber cloak]

and dont know where poison fountains are in each chamber

[opal vortex]

Which is the only place I really need help

[cunning urchin]

You can have 100% Dodge chance.

[limber cloak]

yeah go for it then

[limber cloak]

isnt there an upper limit though?

[cunning urchin]

No.

[limber cloak]

or do you just become invincible

[opal vortex]

If I get +god gauge over time I can just run away from hades until broken spear refreshes...

Or I could just learn what duo boons to go for...lol

[cunning urchin]

You'll just become invincible, yes.

Only Zag Fists can hit 100% without Ruthless Reflex.

[idle carbon]

well that's kinda op

[cunning urchin]

You'll need Epic or higher Greater Evasion and Second Wind as well as Smoldering Air for Second Wind uptime.

And around 30% on the Lambent Plume.

[opal vortex]

You have to admit it should become easy to get procs on the plume if you start off with +dodge with the fists and if you're lucky with hermes early in your run, no?

I have not tried it yet I just thought of it after going to bed last night lol

[cunning urchin]

Sure, Lambent Plume is the easy part.

Smoldering Air is also easy.

Lord Hermes's boons have a lower chance for epic rolls than other gods.

And no keepsake to up the odds.

An early Exclusive Access would solve that, but you'd still need to roll both Second Wind and Greater Evasion.

And Lambent Plume unlocks the legendary in his pool, which ironically, you don't want.

[median mantle]

does Zeus's special hit multiple times with the bow?

[silver summit]

artemis support fire fires everytime my special with chiron hits, so i'd assume that yes

[opal vortex]

Even 75% dodge seems pretty good lol

[median mantle]

guess I should pick up support fire too

[lime jolt]

There’s a cooldown

[median mantle]

NOOOOO

thats cringe

[opal vortex]

https://imgur.com/hZiwI17

My first win! What is this screen? It is almost like I can turn boons on and off...?

[mystic ember]

This screen just shows you what your build was in that run

[opal vortex]

i see

[mystic ember]

And the other stuff

Such as heat

Time

Etc

[opal vortex]

I'm just happy I finally won... barely

[mystic ember]

Heh

I know the feeling

[opal vortex]

Went into it with full HP... 372! And 2 death defiants and acorn. Still barely won

[mystic ember]

That's hades for ya

Unlike the other bosses, you need to be more careful around him

Cuz his attacks are easily dodged, but not if your going hasty

And they do a lot of damage

[opal vortex]

I tried dodging him the same way I dodge Theseus, but it didn't work as well. When she does the forward spin attack I dodge through him to get the "near miss" and then I am in position to backstab

he*

[median mantle]

I just try to get away from him tbh

[opal vortex]

yeah that worked better for hades

[median mantle]

his attacks a bit longer than Theseus I think

[raw pumice]

hi

[opal vortex]

it must be, because it works against theseus most of the time

[raw pumice]

wondering, if Zeus the best boon for gun

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike? Yes.

[opal vortex]

What's the best way to augment doom? Can you make it stack or proc faster?

[cloud vault]

Merciful End

[bronze bobcat]

hey guys, which boon(s) adds the most damage to shield special

[opal vortex]

Thank you

[median mantle]

Curse of Longing's also great

one of my favorite builds is aphro/ares

[honest wing]

I don't see the appeal to curse of longing tbh

[limber cloak]

its such a meh duo imo

its only ever good if you have doom on something that you arent going to be using often

like curse of vengeance (ares revenge boon)

or i guess shield special works kinda, but then again you are going to be using it pretty often

[cunning urchin]

It's pretty good.

The only problem Curse of Longing has is that it isn't Merciful End.

[limber cloak]

that is true

[honest wing]

lmao

[limber cloak]

if ME wasnt a thing or was less powerful atleast, i think CoL might've had more exploration

[honest wing]

maybe if you have doom on something secondary and are applying weak often, like on a heart rend build with arte attack aphro special AND vengeful mood curse of vengeance, I can see it being pretty useful there

damn that's really specific

[cunning urchin]

It's pretty good on Malphon with Curse of Agony and Heartbreak Flourish.

[cloud vault]

I think the best case scenario for it is a funky chiron build where you do aphro attack and ares special

The time between specials gives curse a chance to do something

[median mantle]

Curse of Longing is great

it's good for dealing extra damage when you're like playing defensively or you're kinda just ignoring a weak little enemy

[opal vortex]

https://imgur.com/4gTYfqV

What would ya'll have chose?

[limber cloak]

depends on your build, aspect and a lot of other factors

[coral cave]

Flood shot because beeg number

[limber cloak]

dash strike would probably be best, from a blind perspective

[turbid needle]

personally I would go with flood shot

[limber cloak]

if theyre not using their cast at all then its useless though

[heavy chasm]

I prefer Dash Strike builds, but i'm a spear/fist/sword pleb.

[limber cloak]

especially if they already have the sack, its completely useless

[coral cave]

But number big

Monke brain see number big go ooh aah

[limber cloak]

true tbh

👍

[opal vortex]

I took floodshot and then beat hades 🙂

I just unlocked heat... and beat it with the shield having 1 heat. I never beat it without heat. I am missing the rewards for beating it without heat aren't I?

I never beat it with the shield without heat I mean

[ember mica]

Yes this is awesome. I did this, and also got the boon where stacking multiple doom effects adds more damage, and it was awesome

[lime jolt]

Hey you won!!!

Nice!!!

[opal vortex]

Yes! Thank you! 😄

[fair dew]

I had a fun game where I went trippy shot (lv 8 lmao), ice wine, scintillating feast, and double strike. had 4 casts when I got to hades and pretty much just fired em off and watched it go

[merry ivy]

can you get charged volley with aspect of chiron?

is the combination possible?

[opal lodge]

no

[last crystal]

Anyone have tips for Rama? I am not sure what direction to go. percentage on the main attack and ares, dio or zeus on the special? Any duos you'd recommend aiming for?

[turbid needle]

why not do both

[opal lodge]

you can just slap deadly strike on that bad boy and watch it go

hammers are more important than boons

twin/triple are your bnb

ares dio zeus aphro and dem all have their uses on the special

[last crystal]

Okay. I got twin right off the bat with Aphro on the attack. Feels pretty good. Just have to get use to how slow it charges up compared to the other 3. Worth looking for Hermes attack speed? Does that even help the charge time?

[serene zealot]

I may be wrong, but I think the Hermes attack/special speed increase boons only affect the cooldowns after using a move

[rich dust]

zeus on special is incredibly good

aphrodite on attack can dish out some incredibly chunky damahe

twin shot & 150% damage on power shot are great

[rich dust]

It does im pretty sure

[lime jolt]

My favorite rama combo is triple and point blank

It one shots boss phases

[opal vortex]

aspect of Hades is the best for the spear?

I only have spear and bow left for standard clear

[static karma]

Achilles cast build might be better

Casts scale well with poms and casts benefit from raging rush bonus

[abstract flower]

Build advice: I obtained ME by having Epic Curse of Agony and Epic Divine Flourish. I also obtained Divine Dash. One of Poseidon's offered boons is a heroic Tempest Flourish. Should I take that while having Divine Dash proc ME?

[spiral badge]

Yeah it’s Achilles and GY for top spear generally

[spiral badge]

Congrats, you’ve rolled a royal flush. Push the button

Divine flourish is only required to obtain ME

Once you have it all bets are off, anything with Athenas deflect will proc it from that point forward

[vernal bramble]

can i get both trippy shot duo boons at the same time?

i have zues rn and the core boon for demeter but dont wanna use rolls if i cant get her duo boon

[lime jolt]

You can get both

[vernal bramble]

just got it

[sweet hornet]

does cyclops jerky select improve doom damage?

[ember mica]

What’s the best spin attack hammer for guan yu?

[fervent elbow]

Quick Spin

[turbid needle]

No.

[sweet hornet]

thank you

[wraith token]

generally Guan Yu is considered the best aspect but it's very hard to get to said high level, so for more casual play Achilles

[mild raft]

Hey wow I'm late anyways you can't miss the bounties for your weapons

The Bounties max out at 20 heat and for example if you incremented your heat (doing 0, 1, 2, etc.) you'd get the same amount of bounties as if you did 20 heat 20 times

[static karma]

You can miss 0 heat bounties if you clear a heat run before those, but that’s only one set of bounties per weapon

It’s still good to know about though

[opal vortex]

This seemed really dumb, but it was the easiest clear I've had so far. https://imgur.com/9x2OU0Z

Does charging up your spin attack count as an "attack"?

Honestly dashing around deflecting slow moving projectiles is almost all I needed. lol

I didnt even have a call ffs and that's how I usually finish bosses off

[static karma]

It does but not for the purposes of Punishing Sweep. It’s boosted by everything that boosts attack except punishing sweep, I imagine it’s this way so you don’t spam spin, not that it would be good to spam spin and nothing else anyway

[opal vortex]

So when I do punishing sweep and then I do ANOTHER punishing sweep I don't get +30% damage from the aspect? Is that what you're saying?

I had Artemis on my attack which did +damage and chance to crit. So when I did punishing sweep it was augmented by Artemis?

[rich dust]

LOOL i thought the dusa companion was pure garbage so i only equipped it for the codex entry / achievement

but after i heard her dialogue now i use it all the time just because its fun

[turbid needle]

Spin does not buff itself.

It buffs your standing Attack and Dash-Strike, and Skewer.

[opal vortex]

I've been giving dusa a lot of nectar 😕 Charon is maxed out and I maxed out his keepsake too...and nothing happened.

[turbid needle]

Quick Spin spawns would be legitimately broken.

[opal vortex]

Does +damage to attack boons buff the spin though?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[opal vortex]

ok cool

[turbid needle]

It still works normally with all boons.

[opal vortex]

It's a "spin attack" not an "attack" which is why I thought maybe it didn't count

[turbid needle]

i never realized how op aspect of chiron was until i beat hades my first try with it

[civic inlet]

so what's like the worst build one could possibly make

like you fill all the major slots for boons, like regular attack, call, etc but they're the least beneficial options possible

all i can think of is like chill for regular attack on shield, and idk what else

[lime jolt]

hangover is the worst attack for non fast attacking weapons

Because you cant stack it

[dense basin]

zeus on slow and not spamable attacks and specials will give low benefits

[lime jolt]

And it doesn't % + the normal damage

Even dionysus on most fast attacking weps is bad

[dense basin]

When using Beowulf Shield, Dionisous cast - is it possible to make profit from Black Out boon? Seems to be greatly increasing dmg, but I'm not sure how to effectly use it

[lime jolt]

Black out bad

Imo

[dense basin]

I also wonder if Poseidon cast is not better for this aspect

[gusty rapids]

poseidon cast is considered one of the best for beowulf, yes

dionysus has a higher top end if you run stygian soul, get an extra cast stone from chaos, and mirage shot

but like thats a lot to ask for lmao

also black out can work w dio cast, youd probably have to go drunken dash then to activate it

[dense basin]

Hmm... not sure about that - I'm not so good with Dionysus boons, but his support ones like healing all health in fountains and such are so good

[gusty rapids]

they're nice but i like damage to see big numbers

gives me dopamine

[dense basin]

And that's Arthemis is probably one of the most used setup of boons

Nemesis sword + Arthemis attack + Double Edge and you basically won run

[obsidian kestrel]

He wants to take a small loan of a million damage crit

[dense basin]

Also seems like fully loaded would be excellent too, but getting all this stuff in one run may be hard

[gusty rapids]

yeah fully loaded is great but just a bit too much to ask for usually

as long as you get mirage shot + extra cast from chaos + preferably scint feast as well

ur usually good

thats the juice

[dense basin]

After getting sleep I think about trying both Dionysus run and Poseidon run

[rich dust]

whats wrong with blackout

[obsidian kestrel]

Temple Flourish on my Chaos Shield

Oh baby

[lime jolt]

The damage bonus really isn’t that good

[rich dust]

its a fat 60%

how can you go wrong with that

ice wine + blackout is hot

[dusky drum]

true i did a hera run with both of those and was dealing 2k

with 2 casts

[lime jolt]

Because in a cast build your main damage source is a cast

[dusky drum]

blackout + icewine = free ps

[obsidian kestrel]

It's a fat 100

[lime jolt]

I’ve gotten 4k from 2 casts

It was insane

Dio beo

[rich dust]

you can get ice wine without having a cast build, and... what?

[obsidian kestrel]

I'm pretty sure Chaos likes Specials

since it duplicates shields

[rich dust]

you do realise blackout straight up buffs your casts by 60% right

your second and third cast at least

[dusky drum]

it buffs everything by 60%

really insane

[rich dust]

yes

[obsidian kestrel]

Oh, you talkin about the ohter one, whoops.

[dusky drum]

global 60%

[lime jolt]

If you can get it it’s great

I don’t prioritize it

[obsidian kestrel]

I'ma just back out now and finish my run

[rich dust]

i just did a build with that using fists with the magnetic thingy

[dusky drum]

talos

[rich dust]

instead of going for a % damage increase i just

i didnt get hangover for dash so i just put it on attack

and i did not regret it

ice wine and special did lotta damage anyways

bonus points if i had scintillating feast

which i sadly didn't

[lime jolt]

I’m pretty sure I’ve sent this before but this is the true power of dio beo

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811332258106703892/811359674829897758/video0.mov

[gusty rapids]

from what ive seen zeus is still very nice for room clear

not sure how shotgunning works with it tho

[magic rivet]

I use Doom

Hangover is also decent

And it works with shotgunning

Doom I don't shotgun though

[solid sable]

every where i go

i see

gay fanart of thanatos and zag

[umbral surge]

is there a guide on which heat is easier to choose from

easiest to hardest *

[jovial fulcrum]

i think there's a loose guide pinned in high heat

but that might be aimed towards higher heat

[umbral surge]

I just came back to the game after a few months AWOL, anyone recommend me an optimal Chiron Build? Should I just go the usual Lightning Cast, Artemis Special (take Artemis keepsakes early) and what should the attack be?

[magic rivet]

You say that like it's a bad thing

[limber cloak]

Aphro attack, artemis special

Go for heartrend

Start with arty keepsake

Easiest heats are probably em1-2, tight deadline 1-2, middle management, benefits package, and underworld customs

Approval process and routine inspection are two pacts that you dont want to use up until like 40 or 50 heta

Heat*

[magic rivet]

Or if you want to get the 15 titans blood

[umbral surge]

ahh okay

is underworld customs easy?

[robust anchor]

yes

[stone escarp]

hey, is there a way to force the Daedelus hammer to give me what I want?

I NEED hoarding slash because I'm doing a MAX GOLD RUN but the HAMMER won't CHANGE no matter how many times I LOAD THE SAAVE

[magic rivet]

Mods?

[rich dust]

If you want a guide for low heat then well

[stone escarp]

I can't get mods to work 😭

[rich dust]

Tight Deadlines 1 is a free one, for starters

many say extreme measures 3 makes things easier (not everyone)

[magic rivet]

I just don't go for max gold runs unless I see a hammer in the first room and one of the options is hoarding slash

[rich dust]

calisthetic program is generally pretty easy

[coral cave]

would not recommend taking CP

much better options

[rich dust]

at low heat its a bit of a non problem

[tame zodiac]

CP affects bosses iirc

[coral cave]

it does

[rich dust]

in higher heat it can be annoying

by that i mean 15%

[opal lodge]

its not one of the better ones

no matter what heat youre doing

lol

[umbral surge]

okay i guess my question is heat 20+

[rich dust]

i generally dont really feel like it makes a difference to me lol

oh heat 20+ hmm

[umbral surge]

but will try with some stuff that I never tried before, like underworld cusotms

[coral cave]

its the kind of heat you take when its like 32+ heat

[opal lodge]

nah

[rich dust]

underworld customs is sort of painful

[opal lodge]

most people take it 50+

TBH

[tame zodiac]

underworld customs is the essential heat that I don't like

[rich dust]

I ignore anything that makes me less likely to get what i want

unless im pretty high

[tame zodiac]

but it's free heat so I just take it

[rich dust]

i dont see it exactly as free heat

[opal lodge]

it's aspect dependent but yeah

[magic rivet]

Underworld customs is only really painful in Tartarus

[opal lodge]

some aspects care about UC more than others

[rich dust]

the only one that is a total trap if you ask me is heightened security

pun intended

the other terrible ones are generally pretty obvious

[tame zodiac]

yeah I lost 2 runs early on because of heightened security. Never again

[magic rivet]

Heightened Security is totally fine

You certainly won't die in Asphodel

[rich dust]

totally fine

enjoy taking 120 damage to hades pots and like 200 to the sawblades i guess

[coral cave]

Sarcasm

[rich dust]

Its not worth 1 heat at all

...ok maybe im dumb

[opal lodge]

heightened security is kind of a mando pick on all 32+

[umbral surge]

middle management also something easy right

[opal lodge]

just different

it's 2 heat

[rich dust]

middle management is great tbh

[opal lodge]

if you want to progress you'll have to learn it

[rich dust]

its only a bit harder at times but you yet more content

i'd do it just for the content

the doomstone is also much easier

howhever

the barge of death with it can be substantially harder

for 20 heat+ i always run EM4 unless i find myself needing TD3

frankly i dont think it really makes things any substantially harder, the only thing that screws me over in the final battle is the first phase summons

the rest is zzz

4 heat too much for me to skip on

[opal lodge]

EM4 isnt really necessary until 50+

tbqh

but do what makes you happy i suppose

[umbral surge]

what does Hades do differently in EM

[magic rivet]

Em4 is a challenge you take willingly

[rich dust]

its not about being necessary i just really think its very very useful

[rich dust]

dont tell him bros

trust me whiz you want to find it out for yourself

like you really do

[opal lodge]

depends what your goal is

[umbral surge]

i keep dying on the 2nd stage...is there actually a 3rd stage

[rich dust]

oof

yes

[opal lodge]

you dont really need to take it at all to do 40+ or 50+ heat

dont tell him

tells him

[rich dust]

he was already spoiled

[opal lodge]

LOL

[umbral surge]

haha goddamn Hades

[rich dust]

i dont see your point though

like i said i personally find it easy

oh also

theres forced overtime

it gives real lotta heat

but the second level is actually quite harder

and the first one can become total hell with benefits package

[opal lodge]

point is you dont need it for 40/50+

if you find it easy, sure

[magic rivet]

Probably just the builds you're using

[opal lodge]

how much hard labor/cp/FO are you using

[magic rivet]

Em4 is easier for some aspects and builds than others

[opal lodge]

EM4 is easy for beo, a weapon i play a lot

i wouldnt recommend it below 40 for most others

[rich dust]

for high heat i generally run rama

hades phase 2 and 3 are much easier with rama

[opal lodge]

ramas decent at it

[rich dust]

i think its far above decent

straight up great

[opal lodge]

sure

[rich dust]

specially against the adds

90% of my problem against hades = the adds

[opal lodge]

how much HL/FO/CP are you taking

[umbral surge]

is there any benefit for chiron build to take Swift FLourish?

[opal lodge]

and yeah phase 1 is the worst part

[rich dust]

depends a lot tbh

[opal lodge]

whizking if it's rare or epic, sure

[turbid needle]

Yes, you can fit in a 4th Special.

[opal lodge]

common doesnt do much

[rich dust]

I dont keep track i just wing it

[opal lodge]

lol

[rich dust]

i eye it real quick and try to make something easy enough

[opal lodge]

what heat

[rich dust]

i mostly run somewhere beetwen 10 and 32

i tried like 50 twice

died in elysium and styx respectively

and by dying in styx i mean i went " i have no time for hades " and commited suicide at the neariest sawblade

[opal lodge]

i see

[umbral surge]

if i have to choose sniper shot explosive shot or twin shot, chiron which is the better one out of these 3 uselessones

[static karma]

I can skip HS on 32 but I put it on at 40

I only completed one 40 run so far though

40 though was where the alternatives were like, Approval process or something though

Heightened Security seems more so to "fill in" a heat at very high heat

when you need all the points you can get

even at 32 you can skip HS I find

[hearty elbow]

One of the upsides of HS is that it's way easier to get Athena DDs if you have it on.

[manic willow]

Howdy, any tips for one lucifer gun?

[limber cloak]

one lucifer gun?

[stuck basalt]

super soaker seems to work

[limber cloak]

super soaker isnt good dmg, but its so fun

zeus attack lucy is basically super soaker with sea storm, but without the knockback

[cedar hazel]

Any tips for the bow? I use Hera but idk which one is better, I'm a beginner

[limber cloak]

chiron is pretty good too

on hera, you wanna build with aphro cast

on chiron, you can go dio special, or artemis special

those are the two best ones, i think

[cloud vault]

I like Phalanx Shot hera

[manic willow]

Iv heard aphro cast hera is grand

It’s worked out well for me so far

[cloud vault]

Zag Bow is very good too, just put on Deadly Strike

[coral cave]

it is really good

[cloud vault]

Rama of course is insanely strong

[manic willow]

Bow in general good if u can use it

[opal lodge]

crush shot hera is el clasico

[cedar hazel]

Oo, tysm

[magic rivet]

I'd put Heartbreak strike for easy Heart Rend

[rich dust]

wait what

it impacts the RNG?

[magic rivet]

No

Just makes it easier to lose the sd

[spiral badge]

A single bomb blast in tartarus can kill you with HS, opening up that little trick

But that’s a very optimistic viewpoint to find that silver lining 😉

[rich dust]

I just found a glitch that trivializes asterius (i'm not sure if its new, i wish i had the recorder on)

while standing right behind a statue, his AI broke and stopped doing anything. it just standed still for me to attack

[strange lark]

i guess that is a glitch

[rich dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/820983393117536296/unknown.png

right there in front of the artemis boon

[strange lark]

what about that is a glitch

[rich dust]

because he literally stopped moving and standed still

just letting me freely slap him

[strange lark]

did he bull charge

[rich dust]

we got into that position after he bull charged

[strange lark]

then that is a thing

[rich dust]

and then he proceeded to stay still for the following 20~ seconds

[strange lark]

he gets stunned

but idk why for that long

[rich dust]

no he is not supposed to stand still for 20 seconds

[strange lark]

yeah

[rich dust]

he wasnt stunned it was a bug

he even swapped to another phase during that time

[strange lark]

oh

thats probably why

[lime jolt]

I’ve got him to just stand in the side of the room

And he just sat there

[strange lark]

asterius is crazy

if he bull rushes and hits something he gets stunned for any where from 1 second to 20 seconds

[spiral badge]

Ive gotten him to hang on pillars not infrequently when he’s EM3 Super Sayain Spinning, but I’ve never seen him go completely immobile. Lucky lucky

[rich dust]

Is it just me or does triple shot make Rama charge much, much faster?

[spiral badge]

It’s you

nothing actually buffs Rama’s charge time iirc

Only explosive shot can hurt it

[rich dust]

maybe its range then

[spiral badge]

Not sure how twin shot affects the draw time but powershot timing is the same with twin shot, which tells me it doesn’t

[rich dust]

because my range is massive and insanely fast

[idle carbon]

hades' spin attack aoe is way too extreme imo

but that's just me

[spiral badge]

You're not particularly meant to dodge it by outrunning it. That attack is a very specific skill check that calls out: "Have you mastered patience and using dash i-frames to avoid damage?"

[idle carbon]

I can dodge it when I see it coming

thing is

I don't see it coming half the time

[strange lark]

only explosive shot changes the charge time

[spiral badge]

And that's the bone you get back. It has a long windup and pretty large visual cues. It's on you to learn them and keep an eye out

[idle carbon]

and outrunning it instead of dodging actually

costs dps

so dodging it is better yes

[spiral badge]

In general the law of roguelikes goes: Thou Shalt Dash Through, Not Away

[honest wing]

lmao

[spiral badge]

It's a very tough thing to make your brain do

[idle carbon]

yea the brain is usually like

"run away from that asap"

[spiral badge]

But it is an overwhelmingly correct strategy in almost every game you'll play like this

If you want this lesson really drilled into your skull go play gungeon lol

[cunning urchin]

Practice, practice, practice.

[spiral badge]

^^^^^

[honest wing]

I should play gungeon at some point

[idle carbon]

I thought I got my lesson from souls games

[spiral badge]

It is an amazing game

[idle carbon]

apperently not

[cunning urchin]

Make sure you empty-dash to i-frame it. Dash-Strikes don't have i-frames.

[spiral badge]

Hades is great because it was made by SGG

[idle carbon]

.....

omg

[spiral badge]

Gungeon is great because it was made by people that know how the hell to make a roguelike

[idle carbon]

that's actually very valuable I didn't know

[spiral badge]

Your dash loses its invincibility the moment it becomes your dash attack

Just keep that in mind

[idle carbon]

well damn lol

this will make my life easier

thanks

[cunning urchin]

Anytime I post that, there's at least one person who didn't know.

[spiral badge]

That is specifically how you are supposed to dodge hades spin

[idle carbon]

I usually do dash strike and I am like "how the hell did that hit me"

[spiral badge]

Slow your heart rate down for a beat, wait for the hitbox to show up and empty dash through it

The hitbox appears right when the little circle hades makes with the tip of his spear during windup completes a full 360deg

That's your cue

[honest wing]

even i didn't know that

[spiral badge]

I just learned that through observation

Don't take it as hard gospel

[idle carbon]

just trying to get 32 heat with sword

[spiral badge]

It's my mark

[idle carbon]

it's proving much harder than other weapons

for some reason

[cunning urchin]

Activating any Call or using a summon will also give you i-frames upon activation.

[idle carbon]

that I knew yea

I'ma go with aphro attack instead of artemis this time

since nemesis already gives crit

les see

[spiral badge]

It's up to you

But for nem at its peak specifically Artemis will reliably deliver huge results

And aphro is usually the perfect compliment to the special slot to set up heart rend

Arty attack, aphro special, double edge hammer and heart rend is the golden standard nem build

Fwiw

[cunning urchin]

If it doesn't have to be Nemesis, Excalibur makes 32 a lot easier.

[spiral badge]

True ^^^

Nemesis is the glassiest, cannonest weapon in the game

Take it as you will

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike and just get as much HP, damage reduction, and dodge as you can.

You can get to Hades with several thousands worth of effective HP.

[spiral badge]

Yeah excal can get thiccccccc as all hell if you go aphro way and get a little luck

And while arty attack may make bigger chunks aphro's raw consistency is noooothing to sneeze at with arthur's base damage. It's effectively a shackle run but with boons so yay

[idle carbon]

gotta get dat patroclus too

[spiral badge]

Hrm. What's your mirror look like?

If you can stand it somewhere, even lc2 will make a big difference

Then you can still be a beefy boi

[idle carbon]

I do lc4 and stubborn def

[spiral badge]

So maybe lc2 if you're scared of excal

It is quiiiite tanky, and 50% is way more than 0

[idle carbon]

I think that's how I did my 33 chaos run

but for the rest I did lc4

chaos shield I mean

[spiral badge]

If you don't have UC on yet I'd trade that heat all day if I was doing it

Up to you bruv, just trying to present options 👍🏻

[idle carbon]

yea I know

also I do get uc

usually

[spiral badge]

I did my 32 with nem fwiw

I got gud and I got lucky and I eventually ended up winning the DPS race with her unholy blessing

[idle carbon]

aphro atk + ares sp

working okay

got a useless hammer tho, oh well

what is fwiw

[spiral badge]

For what it's worth

[idle carbon]

oh

[spiral badge]

Lol sword hammers are half the reason I installed mods on pc

Hell with the trash selection for trying 32 and above. Give me dedge at the start and let's roll

[idle carbon]

should I do that too

you mean choosing your starter boon ?

[spiral badge]

Yeah, that’s one in particular. If you want to keep your purist cred but also avoid bashing your head into a wall to start a run properly, that’s the only one you’ll need

Commonly referred to as “seeding” a run

Contrasted against a naked run with an unknown starting seed and a “routed” run in which more than just the starting boon is known ahead of time

[cunning urchin]

Anything up to at least 40 Heat is doable just fine consistently without any mods.

[spiral badge]

This is true ^^^^^ I just refuse to bash my head against RNG above a certain threshold sometimes and 32 is mine. That’s me being old and not having enough time to deal with RNGesus’ shenanigans lol

Not always for 32 things, but for things like nem you betcha I’m just going to start out with dedge and call it a day

[cunning urchin]

I don't think age has anything to do with it. It's mainly a matter of practice and strategy.

[obsidian kestrel]

Some people can't play at the same level as others, due to physical, mental problems, or any other numbers of things.

[spiral badge]

It’s not age as much as time for me. I can’t devote as much to this game as I’d like to, but thems the breaks. All it means is when it’s time for higher difficulties I’m not above taking the gloves off to get going a build that I know I want to make a certain way

And a single seed strikes me as a fair compromise to get a run rolling. Especially for weapons with doodoo hammers like poor sword lol

[cunning urchin]

Sure, but you never truly know what your limits are.

[obsidian kestrel]

No. Do I expect people to be Faker, though?

Seems a bit much.

[cunning urchin]

Faker?

[obsidian kestrel]

Top level esports player, was dominant for years from 2012, still plays.

Sorry, saying that out of context makes no sense.

[coral cave]

Very popular SK Pro esports player

[cunning urchin]

SK?

[idle carbon]

aphro dash spam works so good with nemesis lol

victory

[cunning urchin]

Congratulations!

[idle carbon]

thanks

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite has all the best boons. 💕

[obsidian kestrel]

I think this sentence makes less sense than just saying Faker XD

[coral cave]

South koreab