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#h1-builds-and-combat
solid sable
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It’s not a guarantee per-se
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It’s a guarantee that the first eligible room will be that god
solid sable
Ah.
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Says nothing about forcing that god into eligibility
Hermes operates on a separate track from all other gods
Think of him as between a hammer and a boon
Him and hammers and all other olympians are on their own separate rolling tracks
Within the greater track of gold-laureled rooms that can deliver such rewards
Against blue-laureled rooms that deliver darkness gems keys etc
solid sable
hmm
cloud vault
Have you maxed your mirror?
A huge blunder many newer players do is not taking dark Foresight
solid sable
Ive only maxed shadow presence, cthonic vitality and DD
solid sable
A huge blunder many newer players do is not taking dark Foresight
I have that
To like 5 ranks
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To be clear, the categories are (hermes) (hammers) (every other Olympian until your pool of 4 is full)
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Max that one
solid sable
Alright
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Among the other eligible categories
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^^^^^
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Idk how many keys you have
But boiling blood, Fam favs/priv stat and dark foresight are the 3 single biggest DPS boosters on the mirror probably
like if I had a gun to my head I would even reset my mirror to get the darkness back out of shadow presence to go for boiling blood
Very important
The DDs and 2x dashes are essential tho, never ever give those up
solid sable
I have boiling blood 30% up
solid sable
Should I reset shadow presence
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Nahhhh 30% is a good start
solid sable
how do people get to reroll boons and doors
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Ehhhhhhh
Ohhhhhh nvm I misread you
That’s the very last mirror perk
You want the boon rolling one
And at first only unlock it or maybe buy 1 upgrade of it
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Hmmmmm. I would sacrifice shadow presence to dark foresight if nothing else
dusky drum
id keep it how it is :/
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Yeah you’re not wrong really
It’s not a bad mirror
See that’s what resetting is for tho
dusky drum
what i like to do is only put darkness into what im using
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Getting your darkness back out of perks you dont want yet like that
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i.e. if i want fated authority instead of persuasion ill reset mirror and redo it to authority
zeus attack + pos/athena dash
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yeah don’t be scared of the respec button ^^^^
dusky drum
and whatever on your special
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But I would definitely reset and get all my darkness back out of whatever I’m not using if I’m saving and scraping like you are now
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delta chamber
chrome girder
Hammers for hestia
chrome girder
Yeah
dusky drum
piercing
solid sable
shotgun
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Also piercing
dusky drum
and explosive
chrome girder
I have both piercing and rico
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Ricochet imo
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Lol those stupid things are so expensive
dusky drum
not worth imo :/
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Honestly kaly you really just need to play and farm a good deal more
solid sable
what aspect
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Like, a good deal
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What weapon do you like best?
solid sable
Tough pick between bow and sword
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Not 100 hours lol, but more than what you have in it now
Put 1 blood in hera for bow?
solid sable
hera is two
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Ohhhhh
cloud vault
Zag bow is really good
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Well posiedon will be then too
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For a cheap 5 blood cost
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Yeah zag is amazing
Honestly if you love bow save up 5 for zag
Great introductory weapon
solid sable
uhh
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Hera is great value for 2 blood tho
dusky drum
my generall mirror is shadow presence, cthonic when bounty grinding and dark regen at no bounties, dd normally sd with lc4, greater reflex always unless im running gilga, boiling always, infernal/stygian depend on build, deep always unless im grinding, thick skin always, ps generally but i do ff for hestia, df always, and the last 2 i swap around
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i wish i could take titan blood out of weapons
You just gotta grind more bruv. 5 blood is honestly not a ton once you get some momentum
cloud vault
Privileged status is a huge trap for most builds
dusky drum
i only take fiery with like gy/hestia
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you’ll get there
solid sable
You just gotta grind more bruv. 5 blood is honestly not a ton once you get some ...
ill save up then
cloud vault
I mean you'll take it on low tolerance chiron
static karma
Also, check broker
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I run PS unless I’m explicitly on an artemis build fwiw
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It’s easy enough to get going by asphodel
dusky drum
i generally run ps unless im going gy/hestia :/
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and 40% is niiiiiice
cloud vault
PS doesn't even come into play by the time you kill many enemies
solid sable
Yes
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Piercing ofc
dusky drum
piercing feels weird on chiron
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Chiron loves special hammers
dusky drum
like
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Armor shredding tho bro
dusky drum
does it even work outside of the armor damage??
cloud vault
But don't play chiron if it isn't maxed
solid sable
what gods would I want with Chiron?
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even if it doesnt armor shredding bro
static karma
Taking out armor damage is huge
dusky drum
arte special, aprho attack, go for heart rend
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But don't play chiron if it isn't maxed
^^^^^ can’t bold this enough
dusky drum
i think lvl 3 if fine
static karma
Armor health is generally more than non armor health for an enemy
And armored enemies tend to be the hardest
cloud vault
And you can do some really cool things with piercing special
Like tag one enemy then shotgun another one and both get hit
solid sable
i got poisdeon sm
cloud vault
Tidal dash is a lot of reliable damage and can create space for you
dusky drum
pos special also has dummy high base/scaling
cloud vault
Don't do the above, chances are you won't see sea storm and even if you do it doesn't work well on chiron
dusky drum
it works fine :/
cloud vault
There is a cooldown on lightning effects
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Oh let him meme lol
dusky drum
just take concentrated too since its a base damage special
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Like ares
dusky drum
its not like its a bad build
it works really well and getting sea storm is just a nice cherry
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Well I think its safe to say we’re in the shallow end of the advice pool right now
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Chiron posiedon can be a fun and educational experience about why some gods work better on certain weapons than others lol
Yeah heart rend chiron is going to shred if you want a true blue 1337 suggestion
dusky drum
Define really well?
shreds a nice amount and just works :/
like ive seem pos special setups shred dad
cloud vault
I don't ever see it hitting harder than heart rend
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Not much does
cloud vault
And if you want a meme build that works, doom and Hangover chiron is a thing
dusky drum
sea storm works but go off ig :/
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But not everything needs to evaporate dad in 10 seconds to be functional, too
dusky drum
^^
dusky drum
yep
one of the highest base damage casts
right behind dio i think
and dio also works really well on hera
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Wait till you pair it with talos fists
cloud vault
Achilles and blown kiss lol
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Talos lasts longer and drags em in for you 😜
solid sable
shid
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Then you get parting shot
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Oh bisciuts
Well look on the bright side, demeter just got a whole lot better for you
Ravenous will is an ezclap now
solid sable
alecto's beyblade is annoying
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is charged shot good on zag bow? had a hard time using it
chrome girder
Rail is so hard to use
The one with the empowered shot
It’s so hard
To use
Someone ping me with tips
coarse moss
Someone ping me with tips
press reload and attack together everytime. rebinf reload to something comfy. forget shooting normal shots unless its numbskulls or something
chrome girder
Okay
The aim is hard too
This weapon is gonna take some time
I just got it to level 5
I’ve been smashing my way through with Gilgamesh
Up to 11 heat
solid sable
why are images disabled here
ruby igloo
Any fun Gilgamesh builds anyone? = )
chrome girder
Any fun Gilgamesh builds anyone? = )
Doom
ruby igloo
can you be more specific xD
flat garden
gilga is fun to dash only with
ruby igloo
doom on what. attack? Special? dash?
chrome girder
Attack
There’s a duo boom
Merciful end
You can literally beat anything
Just by dashing
I was a noob a week ago
And now I’m heat 11
flat garden
me is much better on other fists tbh imo
flat garden
applying doom on punching is faster than on gilga's slashes
chrome girder
Merciful end automatically procs doom when you dash
Just hold down the attack buttton and dash
That’s all
It’s so easy
And probably the strongest and reliable build
flat garden
imo it's still better on the other fists since i think the slashes have more of a delay between them
but i suppose the extra dashes do help
ruby igloo
im not rushing heat btw, im milking as much titan blood/ambrosia/diamonds as I can, picking each weapon with the darkness/gems buff each run = )
magic rivet
You can also go for Tidal dash on Gilgamesh
The extra dashes mean extra dash damage per sequence
ruby igloo
Ok so I already got pretty lucky
I have ares attack and athena dash
Demeter just popped up too
ruby igloo
kk
vagrant maple
I don't know why I did this, but I did https://imgur.com/a/LYzJGwD
2.7 seconds
messed up the backstab on the first dash strike, but the third crit bailed me out
believe it or not, I don't think nem is the fastest weapon for this -- that goes to zag bow
coral cave
Skelly% 
turbid needle
Can someone help me by giving me some tips about how to speedrun Hades?
ruby igloo
Oh the run is over my friend = )
i managed to get ME while in vermin town
was an amazing build, very good
ruby igloo
Just beat your 3 bosses then take your time with Hades. Not every run has to be a speed run
limber cloak
I don't know why I did this, but I did https://imgur.com/a/LYzJGwD
LMAO skelly% is real bois
we have our three contestants already
zag bow? i dont think its that fast
well unless you get like 10 crits in a row or something
limber cloak
nvm
you did get some big crits lol
someone pls make skelly% a real thing
i want to see what people will come up with
vagrant maple
I think zag bow is optimal
limber cloak
inb4 hades spear takes the wr or something
vagrant maple
there is still about a quarter of a second of time save there
flat garden
zag bow has a chance to hit 2 crits in a row which is great
limber cloak
yeah couldve cast instead of taking the second shot
vagrant maple
cast doesn't do enough damage to kill
flat garden
i would do this but obs doesnt wanna work with hades for some reason for me
limber cloak
@flat garden obs was funky for me too, try restarting it in admin mode
vagrant maple
cast -> 2 dash strikes is worth considering, but I'm not sure it would be faster than the standing attack -> dash strike route
limber cloak
and try setting your game display settings to fullscreen, windowed or just something else
limber cloak
cast -> 2 dash strikes is worth considering, but I'm not sure it would be faster...
this minmaxing is exactly why i want skelly% to be a real thing lmaoo
vagrant maple
the main time save I see is frame perfect powershot on the first attack, then I could have dash attacked 1 frame earlier, then I could have actually released the second attack 1 frame before powershot to do exactly enough damage to kill skelly
for a total of a quarter of a second time save
limber cloak
@flat garden if that doesnt work, i can guide you for some other things that you can do in dms
vagrant maple
getting 2 crits in a row takes a few mins of trying though
limber cloak
yeah for sure
rng+frame perfect skill
lol
imagine how insane this would be with pony's codex emu mod
just get like lvl 99 artemis attack on hestia with aphro special and heartrend
vagrant maple
then it just becomes the fastest way to hit skelly at all
since you can boost your damage to 1 shot him
not sure what that would be though
vagrant maple
rail attack? talos special?
limber cloak
talos special is way too slow
hestia can fire off two shots in the time in takes for talos to even get one special off
probably rail attack
or maybe nemesis dash strike
wait, maybe its zag sword LMAO
+15% attack speed finally coming into use bois
flat garden
<@!519030001216258082> if that doesnt work, i can guide you for some other thing...
sure. im actually pretty curious why its not working.
flat garden
the highest honour in speedrunning: being a verifier of skelly% on speedrun.com
flat garden
the teleporting witch hag is so annoying bruh
the miniboss?
solid sable
ye
fringe summit
Any Hammer upgrades i should aim for with Beo Shield?
vagrant maple
charged shot is quite strong
fringe summit
Got that one, let's see what i can do with it
honest wing
why do I feel like the chaos aspect and zeus aspect both could have just been hammers
magic rivet
You could say that about a lot of aspects
fringe summit
Anyone knows how Beo Shield with Charged Shot + Minotaur Rush synergizes?
Since Charged Shot changes Bull Rush to a shot, will my shot just get 500+ damage from Minotaur Rush?
+500%
vagrant maple
yes
fringe summit
vagrant maple
your shot (base 80 damage) will get +500% (+400 damage)
fringe summit
That's bonkers
vagrant maple
people often forget how much damage beo bull rushes do. Arty attack is a great boon, it's not just for getting mirage shot
fringe summit
Yeah this is my first Beo run. Just unlocked the aspect
It feels slow, but the damage is pretty big
honest wing
you do wanna get a solid cast too
vagrant maple
oh yeah the cast is still the main part of the build
fringe summit
Is there a general good Cast for stuff like Beo and Hera?
I'm currently running Dio cast
robust anchor
idk about beo but i like aph on hera
ath pretty great too she scales great with poms
flat garden
beo is good with trippy and tidal imo
cunning urchin
Passion Flare for Beowulf, but Flood Flare is close behind.
Some might say it's the other way around, but obviously, they're wrong.
Lady Aphrodite is unparalleled.
fringe summit
Yeah, and Ice Wine is just broken
mossy badge
howdy people!
DOes Curse of drowning (ares and possiden pulse duo) combine with Razor SHoals (your knock away does DOT)?
cunning urchin
Ice Wine is not all that great on Beowulf or Hera. It adds a delay.
It's good on Poseidon or Achilles, though.
cunning urchin
howdy people!
DOes Curse of drowning (ares and possiden pulse duo) combine with ...
Yeah, that will apply Rupture.
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Thanks @cunning urchin ❤️
median mantle
ayo how good is vicious skewer?
honest wing
I would take it if there was nothing better while running a special build
but not build-making or anything
turbid needle
god challenge or urydice?
magic rivet
Eurydice
cunning urchin
Depends on a whole lot of things.
fringe summit
It's good on Poseidon or Achilles, though.
I'm going for a Poseidon run now, what cast would you suggest?
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot.
Look for Lightning Phalanx, Mirage Shot, or Lightning Rod.
And Tidal Dash.
fringe summit
Alright, cheers
fringe summit
And Tidal Dash.
Why exactly Tidal Dash?
cunning urchin
Best DPS you can get on Dash, and it's already half the requirements for Mirage Shot.
fringe summit
Ah i see, thanks
fringe summit
@cunning urchin What would be the perfect Hammer upgrades for a Mirage Shot/Lightning Rod/Lightning Phalanx build"?
I'm looking at the Hammer upgrades for the Sword, but none of them include your cast
Double Nova maybe for the Special damage?
tame zodiac
Got 2 unfortunate runs lmao
First run I was aiming for a crit Arthur. Couldnt get Artemis Attack with good rarity even after rerolls and ended up with Athena. Also, anvil gave me cursed slash
proven osprey
You don't really care about hammers in a cast build. There's always double edge though, really good damage
Other than that, pick whatever except cursed slash I would say
tame zodiac
2nd run was close. It was a sea storm special Rama. Couldn't get any hammers that worked on special. Ended up dying to Phase 3 EM4 Hades
Tidal Dash keeps on damaging the jars lmao
cunning urchin
I like Super Nova because it gives your Special more range. But yeah, hammers don't matter too much.
For Poseidon Aspect, anyway.
cunning urchin
Nice!
fringe summit
Any more stuff i could add to this :P?
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Splitting Bolt, Sea Storm, Parting Shot, Smoldering Air, Bad News. Lots of potential options.
magic rivet
Parting Shot+Exposed is fun
silk temple
I never seem to get Duo boons for some reason
proven osprey
You have to meet the prerequisites
honest wing
Parting Shot+Exposed is fun
if you hit with a parting shot phalanx shot and that's the only thing you got exposed on, does it count for the extra damage
lime jolt
You can check those in the codex
proven osprey
Sometimes you'd need the attack and the special from both gods, which is a bit restrictive (Deadly Reversal, Merciful End (and you still need divine dash to use them properly...)) but some duos are more flexible, like Heart Rend (dash and casts will open it)
solid sable
im gonna die to hades again eeeee
havent even got him to half HP and im already 2 DDs down
1 left
aand express trip back home
daring mango
damn I really suck at forced overtime em4 hades 
all of my wins has been clutched wins
proven osprey
A win is a win
fringe summit
im gonna die to hades again eeeee
Biggest tip that helped me: stop spamming dash and attack. His sweep attack has a long wind up. When you see that wind up: STOP ATTACK and just dash
Also: dash INTO him, not away
solid sable
Biggest tip that helped me: stop spamming dash and attack. His sweep attack has ...
Yeah it works half the time bc my thumb is actually hurting from athena dashspamming
magic rivet
if you hit with a parting shot phalanx shot and that's the only thing you got ex...
Well, it worked for me when I got to the Elysium boss
scarlet glen
So like, Demeter/Aphrodite duo boon mega sucks right
cunning urchin
I like it.
strange lark
So like, Demeter/Aphrodite duo boon mega sucks right
it sucks
just use dem and artemis duo
its the same thing but better
scarlet glen
I grabbed it cos it popped up and I didn't wanna have to hut for it for the prophecy but damn it's just bad
daring mango
yea kind of wish they buff cold embrace with a faster tracker or something
cunning urchin
It's certainly not bad. You probably wouldn't make it the core of your build, but it can do a whole lot of work.
mild raft
It requires a certain playstyle to be effective and that playstyle doesn't work for a lot of weapons/aspects
cunning urchin
Crystal Clarity isn't an option in every build, anyway.
mild raft
I've found that every time I take Cold Embrace I lose damage either from the crystal or from myself
so I've stopped taking it
cunning urchin
You lose damage? 
mild raft
If I'm spending time getting behind enemies rather than just hitting them
cunning urchin
You should be getting behind enemies a lot for backstabs anyway. You might be focusing too much on trying to get the most out of Cold Embrace itself rather than just treating it as mostly passive bonus damage.
terse coral
does rail have dash-strike?
cunning urchin
It's not a double shot, no.
It's a single shot with normal Attack base damage that's independent of your normal Attack rate of fire. The "double shot" you're getting is just your Dash-Strike followed by a regular Attack when you hold the Attack button down a little too long when pressing it.
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More “2-round burst” than “double shot”
mild raft
That's fair
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It’s a ROF uptick for sure. Very useful for that!
cunning urchin
Yeah, but don't bother taking Hunter Dash or Lunge for that.
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Yeah splash dash all day long for rail. Arty dash isn’t where it’s at for high ROF weapons
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect would disagree.
lime jolt
Perfect room rng would definitely help with beating the WR
modern wolf
Well true, but it was perfect room RNG + rocket clusters
- splitting bolt I think
don't remember
lime jolt
Room rng meaning the enemies
modern wolf
mmmm possibly
well every little bit helps I guess
we're not all insane at the game 😂
fringe summit
Hmm, what duo boon should i look into with Hera Bow + Aphro Cast?
lime jolt
I guess mirage
cloud vault
Parting Shot seems the easiest
Artemis for Deadly Strike leading into Heart Rend/Deadly Reversal is also good
turbid needle
Triggering Deadly reversal with bow special alone is kinda sus
Heart Rend is ok for Hera
cloud vault
Well there's the divine dash
cloud vault
Maybe you're better off just doing Athena attack tho
Places exposed instantly for parting shot goodness
turbid needle
If you are going Athena anything on Hera, it's for the cast or the dash
IMO
Athena attack % is kinda low
cloud vault
Consistency of exposed backstabs tho
cunning urchin
Hmm, what duo boon should i look into with Hera Bow + Aphro Cast?
Smoldering Air, Heart Rend, Mirage Shot, Parting Shot.
cloud vault
I still prefer Phalanx Shot over Crush shot but eh
turbid needle
Consistency of exposed backstabs tho
And that means it isn't Athena dash, a duo, or a death defiance
cunning urchin
@cloud vault well, you're wrong. 
turbid needle
And in the meantime, you are stuck with a mediocre attack
cloud vault
Funny story, my last Achilles run I took a heroic Phalanx after starting epic crush shot
Easiest 40 ever, thanks Athena.
turbid needle
nice
cunning urchin
Divine Strike sucks on bow.
cloud vault
I prefer deadly, but will say it can have a place on Hera specifically doing parting shot
Exposing the enemy is huge when your cast backstabs
cunning urchin
It can work. I wouldn't make it a priority by any means.
turbid needle
And does nothing for the cast 'till you get the duo
cloud vault
Well, neither does deadly strike
cloud vault
It does that for sure
turbid needle
Point Blank, Perfect Shot, Twin Shot and Triple Shot all work amazingly for Artemis Attack
turbid needle
And neither could you see Athena
cloud vault
You always do Athena though into Asphodel?
turbid needle
Depends on the heat context
cloud vault
If you didn't start her
turbid needle
But even then
I'd rather have Tidal Dash or Snow Burst for AoE, rather then stick to Athena Dash
But eh
That's just me
cloud vault
I guess that's when you need to take dc2
cunning urchin
Owl Pendant loses a lot of value with AP2, and you could make an argument that you don't really need it at heats that don't have AP2, either.
turbid needle
Legacy. Hera core boons don't actually scale all that well on rarity, outside of Chaos and Hermes specifically
cunning urchin
And at sub 20 Heat, which most people play in this channel, you don't need her for DDs, and Divine Dash is nice but not a high priority on bow.
lime jolt
Yeah athena isn't exactly good damage wise
lime jolt
Athena is S tier 40 +
At 32 you can still get away with using DD's so she's not too amazing
The dash is still solid
cunning urchin
I'd probably take Conch Shell for Tidal Dash and hopefully Mirage Shot or go for Smoldering Air when going into Asphodel.
cunning urchin
At 32, I'd definitely do any heat builds anyway or just meme, personally.
fringe summit
I'm not even playing on 5 heat yet 😛
lime jolt
So I recommend taking athena for your first 32's
cunning urchin
Still an argument that going for a DPS build will bring more success. Divine Dash is certainly tried and true, though.
fringe summit
What's the best option for attack on Hera Bow? Arty?
turbid needle
Artemis, yeah
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike for DPS with Heartbreak Strike in second place for DPS but first place for eHP.
cloud vault
Unless you're using crush shot
At which point the weak from Heartbreak doesn't matter much
strange lark
What's the best option for attack on Hera Bow? Arty?
artemis and aphro are both great
strange lark
but i prefer artemis
cunning urchin
It's still in second place for DPS, though.
lime jolt
And aphrodite is the best
strange lark
athena can actually be good
turbid needle
Athena attack is just mediocre by itself
turbid needle
It's an attack still
cunning urchin
Divine Strike can be good on Malphon where you can constantly proc Deadly Reversal and Exposed. But that's kind of it.
And Guan Yu, but not for the DPS.
scarlet glen
Is Zag aspect on Malphon any good or should I hold onto my blood for a different one
turbid needle
Zag aspect means you can do some cheese with dodge. But that only really matters at high heat. Save the blood
And not until it's like level 3+
cunning urchin
The ROI is excellent for 5 Titan Blood if you're still going through bounties and learning weapons.
turbid needle
^ valid point.
scarlet glen
I've only beaten Hades one time now so I only just recently unlocked heat so I can get more blood, still really feeling my way around the game tbh
lime jolt
Yeah just put blood into aspects which you do well with or are comfortable with
cunning urchin
To clarify, it costs 5 Titan Blood to max any Zagreus Aspect.
lime jolt
Once you get more blood explore different aspects
cunning urchin
2nd and 4th aspects cost 15 to max, 3rd aspects cost 16.
turbid needle
I'd agree.
scarlet glen
I'm so bad with the bow
lime jolt
If you get the right hammers zag bow is nutty
cunning urchin
Hmmmm. I'd say Zag Shield is probably the best tbh. Base damage is very nice, and it's a shield.
turbid needle
I was about to mention Zag shield, yeah
+3 base damage per level is great on the attack
lime jolt
I'm not the biggest fan of shield except beo but yeah zag shield is probably the second best
hearty elbow
I think Zag Shield is better than bow, baseline. It's a shield at the end of the day, even if you don't typically use the mode
fervent elbow
My very first clear was with zag shield, so it must be good
hearty elbow
Science
lime jolt
I dont know before beo and zues(kinda), shield just felt too slow for me
cunning urchin
I think we can all agree that any Titan Blood spent on Zag Sword or Zag Spear is a waste.
turbid needle
Big agree
scarlet glen
Any tips for adjusting to weapons that aren't fists cos honestly I'm addicted to fists
cunning urchin
My tip is to not adjust and just keep playing Malphon. 
fervent elbow
I spent blood on zag sword only to use Arthur
lime jolt
Lol same
scarlet glen
You make a compelling case
cunning urchin
If my Zag Spear was still Lv.1, my Zag Spear PB would still be exactly the same.
mystic ember
Is gaun yu's aspect any good? Cuz that -70% does not look appealing at all
fervent elbow
You don't use Guan Yu at lvl 1
mystic ember
Honestly I might just not use it at all
cunning urchin
I don't agree. Just don't get hit, and your HP won't matter.
fervent elbow
Guan Yu is a git gud aspect
turbid needle
^
mystic ember
Also, I didn't know that aspect of Chairon was THIS GOOD
I thought the bow was trash, but I stand corrected
cunning urchin
Speaking of, I feel like I saw more celebration for @proven osprey clearing 50 Heat with Guan Yu than @turbid needle clearing 64 Heat lol.
turbid needle
His achievement was definitely worthy of that lol
Altho, on the speedrunning discord, peeps were popping off
for my clear
Just not as much here
mystic ember
Damn, I'm definitely never even gonna come close to that
turbid needle
Astaos had been grinding that for a while
fervent elbow
It's because there's some stories about it, you see him fail endlessly and then victory at the end of the tunnel
turbid needle
And mine was basically a routed run
cunning urchin
What achievement? @proven osprey was a month late dedicating a victory to me.
turbid needle
lol
cunning urchin
Damn, I'm definitely never even gonna come close to that
Don't say that. You never know what your limits are. 
turbid needle
Well, it was also, y'know, a max heat run, where everything can kill you if you aren't careful
mystic ember
Don't say that. You never know what your limits are. <:squirtnya:472124054644457...
I mean I'm still kinda struggling with 10 and 9 heat levels so
Yeah
cunning urchin
We've all been there.
cunning urchin
Well, it was also, y'know, a max heat run, where everything can kill you if you ...
So, kind of like 40 Heat Guan Yu?
turbid needle
Does that 40 heat Guan Yu run EM4, and goes mirrorless ?
I could see one or the other, not both
cunning urchin
I mean you could do that, so it's not a no.
hoary slate
Guan Yu is the best Mirrorless Heat Aspect by a good shot
cunning urchin
Would probably let you avoid FO altogether, come to think of it.
cunning urchin
Guan Yu is the best Mirrorless Heat Aspect by a good shot
@turbid needle you hear that? You should have used Guan Yu after all.
fervent elbow
64 heat GY when ?
hoary slate
Well maybe not at 50+
cunning urchin
It's the best until you die in 1-2 hits.
turbid needle
My 64 heat clear was essentially a run without AP and sort of without the timer ? I still couldn't just turtle around
Especially for tartarus
cunning urchin
If you don't find enough HP before Lernie, you can die in 1 hit if you don't have Acorn or Lucky Tooth lol.
cunning urchin
That's why you seed for Bronze Skin.
I giggle too much at my own jokes.
Or not enough.
On another note.
March Challenge
Critical Health Hazard
“Zagreus? I was trying out your Adamant Rail, and I... think I broke something? Anyway, I'm off to the woods. Callisto is waiting.”—Lady Artemis
Conditions:
Aspect: Eris
Daedalus upgrade: Hazard Bomb
Boons: Deadly Flourish
Pacts: Lasting Consequences 4
Extra Challenge:
“Are you out of your mind, boy, taking a broken weapon into battle? That thing could explode at any moment! I've been forced all day to take necessary precautions so that you don't blow the whole Underworld apart. Now get out of my sight!”—Lord Hades
Pacts: Heightened Security, Damage Control 2
You can submit your runs here. A victory screen or video is required: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing
If you wish to be notified of any new <@&737365219982049411>, type ?rank Hades Monthly Challenge in #bot-commands.
Challenge poster: https://i.imgur.com/eoZdxnj.png
Good luck! 
small stirrup
LADY ARTEMIS I SHALL DO WHATEVER YOU ASK
viral star
Omg this looks nice
lime jolt
I can rest my fingers from nemesis and do more artemis 
lime jolt
Can I take spread fire? @cunning urchin
lime jolt
Bcs otherwise deadly strike is useless
small stirrup
Oh lord dc 2 hurts me
cunning urchin
You need to take Eris, Hazard Bomb, Deadly Flourish, and LC4. Otherwise, you can do whatever you like.
cunning urchin
- HS DC2 for the optional extra challenge.
turbid needle
Do note you still can get the Eris buff while avoiding damage. Just need to time your dash well to avoid said damage
hearty mulch
small stirrup
Do note you *still* can get the Eris buff while avoiding damage. Just need to ti...
Pain
lime jolt
honestly I'm just gonna let the bomb hit me and let SD do its thing
cunning urchin
lol
small stirrup
Can we get a pin on the challenge?
cunning urchin
@untold vortex can you pin the new challenge, please? #h1-builds-and-combat message
spiral badge
I can feel the meta turning into +6 ammo hammer and spread fire lol
Delicious
Oh hell you have to have hazard tho
Anvil time bois
cunning urchin
It wouldn't be a critical health hazard without a Hazard Bomb.
If you have a complaint, I believe Lady Artemis is currently away in the woods with Callisto and will be staying there for sometime.
She might not be back anytime soon.
coral cave
She has better things to do anyways
small stirrup
I have no complaints whatsoever, Artemis can get me to literally play AP 2 and I'll be fine
coral cave
What have you done
lime jolt
uh oh
small stirrup
Please do not use my degeneracy to force me to go through pain
coral cave
Also this month's challenge seems pretty interesting
small stirrup
I can only simp so hard
lime jolt
Monthly challenges give me a break from whatever I'm grinding at the moment
in this case nemesis stinky
coral cave
Would you even be able to do the whole buff thing
There's no way to recover your health
Well I guess you'd have to use sd
lime jolt
i frame the explosion
barren otter
Ok, so, I start the run with Artemis in the first room and there is a hammer in the second room. I'm trying to get Hazard Bomb from it, but it doesn't give it to me. How can I influence what the hammer gives? I don't wanna just repeatedly die until the game gives me the correct hammer in the first room.
lime jolt
yeah
Pretty much
Or you could seed
That doesn't really matter since this is a casual challenge
But in my experience of doing seeded runs and they don't work out, it gets boring clicking give up and trying again
lime jolt
I dont like it
chrome girder
Guys
cunning urchin
Thanks for the pin!
unkempt pagoda
👍
barren otter
Ricochet fire
for Hestia - this.
chrome girder
How about explosive?
chrome girder
Okay thanks
lime jolt
piercing lets you hit a bunch of enemies if you line them up
Ricochet is easier to play I guess, but piercing is better imo
cunning urchin
Ok, so, I start the run with Artemis in the first room and there is a hammer in ...
The challenge doesn't require that you get Hazard Bomb from the first hammer. You'll see a second hammer in Elysium. There are some hammer upgrades that cannot be combined with Hazard Bomb, though, so look out for that.
barren otter
thanks
hybrid fractal
what's a good approach with achillies spear? I wanna break out of bashy bashy slow arthur sword a bit
jovial fulcrum
anvil in styx to random into Hazard Bomb 
lime jolt
what's a good approach with achillies spear? I wanna break out of bashy bashy sl...
Either a cast build or flurry jab
cunning urchin
@lime jolt I hope you're not asking me. As a general rule, I don't help with the challenges unless it's a question about the ruling.
lime jolt
jovial fulcrum
As in, like, can you have both?
lime jolt
Well lemme pull up the wiki
hybrid fractal
Either a cast build or flurry jab
cast build?
lime jolt
Yeah
jovial fulcrum
you can have both i'm pretty sure
magic rivet
Raging Rush also buffs your cast
eternal quartz
Nice challenge, gonna try it when I'm back home :)
cunning urchin
Thanks! Good luck!
eternal quartz
Oh,and I really like the poster!
cunning urchin
Thank you! 💕
eternal quartz
...and the description as well, actually ;)
cunning urchin
hybrid fractal
Ive never done a cast build before
lime jolt
yeah when you first start out, cast builds aren't that good
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike + Flood Shot and going for Mirage Shot is pretty good.
Deadly Strike + Crush Shot for Heart Rend.
lime jolt
Hunting blades is also fun
Zeus cast is also amazing
Its the best cast on achilles for speedrunning
Meme beam can also work
fair wraith
I mean I've done hazard eris for a bingo game
how bad can this challenge be
probably very bad
cunning urchin
Its the best cast on achilles for speedrunning
I'd preface that with currently. The meta always evolves.
lime jolt
Well the meta rn is flurry jab
Casts aren't used much anymore for speedrunning on achilles
fair wraith
zeus cast was thought of as the optimal build for both poseidon and achilles but both are moving away from it because of how bad it is versus bosses
especially since achilles can't dislodge casts manually
cunning urchin
That's also because at the high end, room RNG matters a whole lot, so boss damage starts to matter more. You can't skip boss chambers, but you can skip a whole lot of normal encounters.
Electric Shot is still very good for consistent speed.
fair wraith
and with tidal dash and flurry jab, achilles doesn't struggle with rooms enough to need zeus cast
it definitely helps but it's not a key part of the build as of right now
cunning urchin
Can't build for Flurry Jab, though. You can only reset for it.
nocturne pivot
Is there a way to encourage hazard bomb to appear for the challenge? I can't think of a way
cunning urchin
Kind of.
nocturne pivot
How?
cunning urchin
Sorry, Lady Artemis called asking me to join her in the woods. Good luck!
nocturne pivot
Lmao
lost cipher
ohh so the seed thing is a mod? where do i find this mod and install it?
lost cipher
ah alright
cunning urchin
There's a modding server for Hades if you're interested in that. #self-promotion message
Fan server.
lost cipher
oh, thank you!
fair wraith
already completed a challenege run but I do not have much heat experience so I had to go so slow with LC to not die
but it was fun
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
terse coral
excal hard
at least i got to final boss
dumb me picked Blade Rift so dealing with Sisters gets weird
somber drum
Who's spinning what at who again?
terse coral
I wish blade rift deletes projectile
strange lark
bruh
spiral badge
Ares dash would be s-tier instantly
serene zealot
Then Ares' cast/dash would be op as a wall, that'd be kinda broken
somber drum
I wish blade rift deletes projectile
This is why I love Aspect of Zeus+ Divine Fluorish
honest wing
yea
somber drum
I'm a pretty big fan of it. One of my favorite builds I ever pulled off had ares dash + flurry slash + epic greatest reflex
opal lodge
its really quite good
somber drum
So Zagreus was pretty much a lawn mower by the ends laying down blade rifts and shredding stuff all over.
spiral badge
Yeah it would be going from A straight to S
opal lodge
does very good dmg
slim lynx
blade dash with fists is fun
spiral badge
*amazing
Fists is how I discovered my love for ares dash
If blade dashes killed projectiles fists would honestly go up a whole tier just for being a hard counter to witches, which are currently a weakness
somber drum
Ok so if you had a choice merciful end OR a hypothetical duo that addrd deflect to blade rifts which would you like better?
spiral badge
Depends
You’re choosing safety in damage or safety in actual safety at that point
I would say it’d be an honest choice though, which is a huge statement on its own
Matched against ME
serene zealot
Keep ME but make the Ares Demeter duo work with all blade rifts and not just your cast
spiral badge
Lolol indeed
halcyon lynx
good hades spear builds?
strange lark
achilles and zeus is good
and guan yu and artemis special and charged skewer if you are crazy
also for achilles i recommend rapid jab and serrated edge as hammers
halcyon lynx
ok cool thanks
stone escarp
**__March Challenge__**
**Critical Health Hazard**
*“Zagreus? I was trying out ...
Arty nooo 
she had a bimbo moment but I still love her
cunning urchin
Arty nooo <:astroCry:660947774682169374>
Lady Artemis is currently in the woods with Callisto and can't be reached. Please leave a message.
beep
dusky drum
she had a bimbo moment but I still love her
lmao, bimbo moment
stone escarp
*beep*
"H-Hey Artemis,., I,..,,. I,.,,,,., 
eep sorry for disturbing you I'm so sorry I just- I- uh- sorry hangs up"
Your girlfriend with extreme anxiety leaves you a message after you said to her you just wanted to focus for an hour or two.mp4
strange lark
yes
halcyon lynx
What's a good boon with chaos shield special?
halcyon lynx
ok thanks!
mystic ember
If I put zues's special boon on chairon's bow, does every arrow from the special summon a lightning bolt?
opal lodge
no
lightning has an internal cooldown of a 0.2s
it will hit at most twice during a chiron special
mystic ember
Damn
I thought I was onto something
But guess not
Does the same thing apply with Posiden's wave?
spiral badge
Posiedon no
The sea storm duo yes
If you were thinking about being clever
But pos Chiron is actually pretty ok as odd as it sounds
Moist Uncle has good special %s and the multiple knockback hits put in work for generating damage
mystic ember
What are some good boons to start a run with with chiron? I usually go for artimes and aphro
spiral badge
Neither wrong
Chiron is pretty flexible
You can be a basic beezy and go aphro attack arty special for heart rend
fervent elbow
Aphro/Arty, Aphro/Dio are good
spiral badge
Or you can go nutty with an aphro/Dio/arty/ares blend
Doom on Chiron puts in work with dire misfortune
And ares is a great tagalong for a dio-focused build
mystic ember
I don't think I ever took dm
mystic ember
You can be a basic beezy and go aphro attack arty special for heart rend
Is heart rend a duo boon?
opal lodge
i just like to start heartbreak strike
spiral badge
Dm is a Zeus attack boons worth of damage with no cooldown
opal lodge
your attack damage matters more early on and you can take artemis or dio depending on what you see
spiral badge
Think of it that way
mystic ember
Oh I think I remember it
spiral badge
Yeah heartbreak is super good for Chiron attack
It sets up for everything important Chiron can do after basically
mystic ember
Chiron is a lot more useful than what I first thought
And it makes hades fight easy
spiral badge
It’s very, very solid at low heats
It’s slow at higher ones
But it’s an autowin with the right build if you’re just cruising
mystic ember
Btw, to get the aspect of Arthur I just need to invest 5 titan blood and then wait for the nyx dialog right?
jovial fulcrum
5 in the sword, yes
spiral badge
In any aspect that’s not zag iirc
mystic ember
Well I guess I just have the worst luck
spiral badge
So 3 in nem, 2 in pos, whatever
spiral badge
Just keep swimming
spiral badge
Might not hurt to drop 2 in posiedon for good luck
Is he unlocked?
The aspect, that is
mystic ember
I guess
mystic ember
It took me more than 20 runs to unlock the spear's aspect
And its not even a good one, I just need it to unlock the other weapon's
cold coyote
best keepsake?
mystic ember
Depends on the build
cold coyote
eris...?
daring mango
definitely egg on hades
daring mango
depends on the build but defensive wise.... acorn
spiral badge
You’re asking a question too broad for a single answer
daring mango
if you want a keepsake that you keep all the way to hades, pierced butterfly and plume
spiral badge
The best answer to that question is “a God’s keepsake”
But again, that’s something that’s going to change each run
God keepsakes > all other keepsakes for influencing the general direction and build of your run
daring mango
get the god's keepsake you want on one of your core boons first
spiral badge
Which is usually going to be the go/no go factor in whether you clear on not
daring mango
judge the next rooms and what boons will be offered
and strategize what possible builds you can have
daring mango
just familiarize yourself with the boons of the gods and the game itself first
the boon/keepsake knowledge will be intuitive once you get used to it
static karma
Don't say that. You never know what your limits are. <:squirtnya:472124054644457...
This is definitely true for me, I’ve surpassed what I thought were my own limits
I thought TD3 was out of reach for me for the longest time
Same with FO2
cunning urchin
@static karma you should try the new challenge then.
static karma
<@266732686838595606> you should try the new challenge then. <:dusa:522248771409...
Modding for Hazard Bomb is valid right? I don’t feel like resetting for it
Like having a hazard bomb seed or something
I’ll see if I like Eris well enough then consider it 😛
I’m a Hestia boyo so far
This is a hilarious challenge and I might actually be interested in trying it, it depends on health and other stuff
spiral badge
Calling out a specific hammer has to be grounds for seeding
I can’t imagine that being an issue
rare kindle
cunning urchin
We have no rules against mods. Couldn't verify it anyway.
There are some small ways to improve your odds of getting Hazard Bomb, anyway.
But how you do the challenge is your choice.
spiral badge
Oh? Like other hammer choices?
static karma
I don’t know those ways either
cunning urchin
@spiral badge m sorry, there's just really bad reception out here in the woods with Lady Artemis and Callisto. Wish I could help!
static karma
Am I allowed to turn on TD1 for challenge to turn off survival rooms
cunning urchin
Yes.
static karma
Good, survival rooms are annoying
I forget they exist until I do a run with tight deadline off
proven osprey
If you get to Elysium with Spread Fire on Eris, Hazard Bomb is guaranteed
dusky drum
ah ok
eager vine
I realize after I submit my run that my victory screen is bugged on the clears section rip
proven osprey
You can still go to the admin room and screen the result :)
It's not a victory screen but tbh it's good enough
cunning urchin
I realize after I submit my run that my victory screen is bugged on the clears s...
The screenshot is fine for the challenge. You can send a bug report in-game with F10 and link your screenshot there, so they see your specs and can maybe look into it.
Also make sure you F10 if you see the bug again.
fringe summit
What's the go-to Mercifull End build on, for example, Fists?
Attack: Curse of Agony?
Special: Divine Flourish?
Impending Doom as well i guess?
fringe summit
And what do you fill the rest up with?
worldly pier
You want Ares attack to apply the dooms fast, and Divine Dash to proc then instantly. Athena special is here to unlock Merciful End.
With that you're already set to a stupidly high damage build. You can top that with Impending Doom, and extra dashes from Hermes
fringe summit
And for hammer upgrades? Heavy Knuckle + Long Knuckle?
cunning urchin
You can watch a good showcase here if you want. https://youtu.be/G0czZLJZ_i4?t=568
fringe summit
Oh nice, thank you
Ok i'm seeing stuff in that clip i've never seen before. He just summoned Meg 😕
worldly pier
This is speedrunning stuff, made by one of the very best. It's not the easiest/usual gameplay for a regular run
cunning urchin
Ohhh. You might wanna stay mainly in #h1-for-new-players if you want to avoid spoilers. I didn't know. 
Sorry!
spiral badge
And for hammer upgrades? Heavy Knuckle + Long Knuckle?
Heavy knuckle is kind of a weirdchamp pick. Very fun on talos but fist builds usually get along more with high ROF than higher base damage
Long knuckle is a great safety addon. Breaching cross is the fist hammer of choice all around
fringe summit
Ohhh. You might wanna stay mainly in <#725021347968712724> if you want to avoid ...
Nonono, i don't mind. I mean, i'm just confused seeing Meg summoned to help someone. I didn't follow anything of the Lore, i just love the gameplay 😅
cunning urchin
Heavy Knuckle for ME builds is quite nice.
Oh. Yeah, summons are something you can unlock in the game.
fringe summit
Are those the big door lock things under the Keepsakes?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
fringe summit
Ah i see. I still have nothing there
lime jolt
Sorry wrong channel
opal lodge
heavy knuckle can be a good hammer
the only problem is that boons that work on heavy knuckle are kind of a hard commitment and you cant roll hammers
spiral badge
^^^^
Heavy knuckle and non heavy knuckle builds are kind of two distinct categories
One wants generally the opposite kind of boon from the other
If I’m going heavy knuckle I usually seed the hammer so I can build for it
jovial fulcrum
you mean zoos isn't good on heavy knuckle?
cunning urchin
~~you mean zoos isn't good on heavy knuckle?~~
It actually honestly doesn't matter too much for Lightning Strike itself, it matters more that you'll charge your Special slower. Most of your damage will still come from that in Lightning Strike builds.
spiral badge
So I’m curious to understand why you like heavy knuckle with ME Nya. Is it just for the boost to dash attack damage?
abstract flower
I passed a 32 heat run with sea storm heroic tidal dash
it...wasn't that hard actually. Took me a few tries until I got the heroic tidal dash boon.
spark raft
I have to say it
Hestia's rifle with the short range upgrade is awesome
And imagine getting it to deal over a hunred damage by adding the weakness effect
abstract flower
point-blank shot?
spark raft
I don't know the name in english
proven osprey
Spread Fire? Less ammo but you're a shotgun?
spark raft
Spread Fire? Less ammo but you're a shotgun?
Yep
proven osprey
It does not change anything on Hestia. The first bullet is the same and boosted, the other ones unaffected
lime jolt
What he’s saying is that it’s useless on hestia
ember mica
