the secret slime action is: curse of vengance
#h1-builds-and-combat
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static karma
Is there any reason you'd want to use stubborn defiance over death defiance other than Lasting Consequences 4?
dusky drum
ummm
i mean
imo stubborn is more fun
i gte to be more aggresive
and styx dark is always great
static karma
for cast builds/weapons is flood shot generally the best cast and why so if it is?
or if not what is the best cast
serene zealot
On their own, probably Poseidon's or Aphrodite's for the base damage.
Keeping upgrades via later boons in mind, everyone is good for different reasons:
- Zeus' (Chain lightning bounces, Athena and Aphrodite duo for backstab damage, great for room clears)
- Poseidon's (sea storm, knockback effects hit twice, extra damage if target hits a wall)
- Athena's (Zeus duo makes it bounce, Aphrodite duo adds backstab damage, make foes exposed)
- Aphrodite (Weak is a good status effect, Hera and Beowolf remove the short range being an issue, weak foes taking more damage is good too)
- Artemis' (Pom it up high so crits become huge)
- Ares' (hunting blades, larger area of effect, each repeated hit does more damage)
- Dionysus (His duos with Zeus and Demeter add extra power to an already high burst damage cast)
- Demeter (Can be buffed to add chill, Artemis duo helps it track enemies better, a few of these can melt bosses if used right.)
Honestly, like most other boons outside of maybe pressure points, it comes down to your build. Each weapon/aspect wants something different to work best, so it's hard to label one cast as the best unless you're talking just pure damage, or just how many other boons can modify it.
robust anchor
poseidon cast does big aoe thats why its fine
i like athe cast on poseidon sword. try a bunch and see what works for you
hearty mulch
I just like Arti Cast because it's a low-risk boon that opens the door to a lot of good duos
Namely Deadly Reversal.
turbid needle
does the delta chamber hammer upgrade affect the aspect of hestia for the rail gun?
like with the reolad
dusky drum
your first shot is always the single bullet
no matter what hammers you take
delta is a waste imo
turbid needle
i mean with like the manual reload
dusky drum
oh yea you can still reload
there just isnt ammo limit anymore
so just reload how you normally would, after each first bullet :/
dusky drum
literally throwing hands
hearty mulch
What about Spread Fire?
Is each bullet powered up, or is just one bullet powered up?
dusky drum
spread is the shotgun hammer right??
that doesnt change the first bullet on hestia
the first hestia bullet is always the single high damage shot
hearty elbow
Though I like Spread Fire on Hestia if I'm forced to take it. Gives you some AoE in a pinch
manic willow
Sound good thanks
dusky drum
chiron can also work
lime jolt
for cast builds/weapons is flood shot generally the best cast and why so if it i...
On beo pos is regarded as the best cast
But it completely depends on the weapon for other casts
cold coyote
so there's this really bad aspect called guan yu. how would one fulfill it's prophecy
dusky drum
lmao
its not that bad gerry
i recommend arte special and go for charged skewer hammer
and or massive + quick spin hammers with athena attack
and getting nourished soul can be amazing
cold coyote
mmmmmm
static karma
Guan Yu’s real selling point is the special, the spin should be used sparingly
It’s safest to do it as the enemies are spawning in but it’s better to use other healing sources when possible
static karma
Still better to put a boon and some poms on special than attack
I take charged skewer over quick spin but I’m not sure how good quick spin is in relation to other hammers if charged skewer isn’t there
dusky drum
quick spin makes you get full charge in less than a second i think
you can stunlock the enemies
proven osprey
.3 s
dusky drum
yea thats pretty fast :3
gusty rapids
yeah quick spin is very nice
lime jolt
Quick spin + massive on guan yu is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen
dusky drum
i got it once
with athena attck
it was very funny
like
massive + quick > charged skewer
lime jolt
I’d say they match power
lime jolt
Welcome welcome
dusky drum
:<
lime jolt
ruby igloo
anyone have a good or fun aspect of Lucifer build to recommend on the rail?
dusky drum
ummmm dio is also funny
ruby igloo
ty = )
dusky drum
np 😎
ruby igloo
@dusky drum should I get eternal chamber or what hammers do you recommend
ruby igloo
eternal just popped = )
dusky drum
nice
dusky drum
Eternal chamber is bad on luci
i think its good
lets me just dash and keep it going
especially since the damage ramps
stuck basalt
eternal chamber + divine strike on luci is stupidly fun
ruby igloo
Lol completed a run
I didn't notice this before but
Zagreus was flashing a peace sign as he sank back into the river styx on his way home xD
And eternal chamber isn't bad lol
at least IMO
the damage doesn't ramp with the eternal chamber buff btw, it says that. Now your boon is a different story.
flat garden
doesnt eternal chamber actually delete the ramp up damage
ruby igloo
^
flat garden
yeah
ruby igloo
they all sound fun
I got eternal chamber and the one that pierces and does +50% to armor
flat garden
but i dont use lucifer all that much anyway
ruby igloo
I looked through my records today
fun looking at how much you have learned and how much more skill you have. It took me 25 attempts to beat Hades when I was a newbie
25 xD that's so pathetic lol
would Doom work on a Lucifer build?
can it stack the delay?
mm.. probably not
I bet a chill build would be fun with Lucifer
dusky drum
would Doom work on a Lucifer build?
i mean if you get impending doom and dire misfortune
ruby igloo
Dude.. that would be so fun
do you know how to get one god to spawn more often? I've kept the same keepsake before after each zone and it seems to hardly make a difference
IE: You take shell , keep it through asphodel, into Elyisum
and Poseidon barely shows up xD
dusky drum
keeping the trinket through an area after the forced boon does nothing
it only has use for the first boon being forced
and there isnt any way to influence it i dont think
ruby igloo
Hmm..
how on earth do people get these boons where you already have like 6 or 7 boons from the same god
stupid RNG luck?
turbid needle
The first four Olympians you get in a run becomes that escape attempt's "kit". Unless you use more keepsakes to force additional spawns, you'll only see those four for the rest of the run.
flat garden
most people dont get that for every screenshot posted of a busted build, there are dozens and hundreds of runs where the posters get trash runs
ruby igloo
right?
flat garden
its a combination of pure luck and a healthy appreciation of the time put into playing the game
ruby igloo
^ Well said
though despite "hunting for builds" I gotta say there is a thrill and a hidden element of fun in just happening across a "Good build" on random. It makes the game interesting
Sorry to keep bugging the chat but I wanna ask another one. Anyone got a good Beowulf build?
limber cloak
especially since the damage ramps
The dmg no longer ramps with eternal chamber
Thats the whole point of the hammer
dusky drum
yea thats been established :/
limber cloak
oh yeah, just read up
flat garden
imagine if it did lmao
you can just keep dashing and shooting and it'll rack up more and more
limber cloak
lmao it would be the single most overpowered hammer in the game
More so than even cluster or rocket bomb
Lucy would be an insane aspect just because of its one hammer
magic rivet
What if explosive return worked with every single chaos shield
flat garden
cant really since they break upon impact
you'd have to change the chaos shields too
to return to zag
magic rivet
Change them back to pre nerf then
flat garden
pinball explosive return
limber cloak
lmao chaos would be back on top then
best high heat weapon
Very good for speedrunning too
magic rivet
I do still like Chaos Shield now, but I wish that I could've played it before it got nerfed
tame zodiac
What's a good lucifer build aside from super soaker?
magic rivet
Super Soaker is good?
limber cloak
Hell, even ares attack works
magic rivet
I thought it was a meme
limber cloak
Super soaker is good only if you get sea storm, at which point its just zeus attack with more steps
turbid needle
Artemis and Aphrodite attack are good, too.
tame zodiac
I see. Thanks!
tame zodiac
I always thought of super soaker + seastorm to be Zeus attack on steroids
turbid needle
If you go for that build I'd reeeally recommend chasing Concentrated Beam and Swift Strike.
Kinda?
flat garden
yeah sea storm super soaker is broken with tier 2 zeus boons
tame zodiac
That + Zeus legendary thooo
turbid needle
Unless you took like, Thunder Dash with that.
ruby igloo
i got both zues and dio duo
and dio and demeter duo
with beowulf
right at the end
insane damage
tame zodiac
I once got those duos on Beowulf. It was so fun lmao.
karmic girder
Anyone wanna give me some advice real quick?
karmic girder
I am trying to get my first clear. I am running Aspect of Chaos. Got Ares Doom on Special Epic and then a pom to get the damage tpo 140
I have Zeus lightning on attack
Cast is Blade Rift, but I am using freaking Stygian, so only one cast per 3 sec
So my damage is gonna be mostly Doom. I am about to fight Meg. what would be a good keepsake/God to get next and combo with this Doom special shield?
magic rivet
You could always try to get Merciful End
karmic girder
So athena, and probably her Dash?
magic rivet
Attack first
karmic girder
Ah ok, so ditch the Zeus lightning
magic rivet
Unlike with the fists, triggering ME is easier on shield with only attack and special
Since you're already in the pattern of bull rushing then throwing the special
mystic ember
Whats merciful end do again? I always forget
karmic girder
got it
magic rivet
Whats merciful end do again? I always forget
Deflect boons immediately trigger doom effects
karmic girder
I never fully understood ME either, but I think it lets you "stack" Doom and then "pop" it when you are ready
magic rivet
You also get +40 base damage on doom if you trigger it with deflect
karmic girder
I am at 140 already, so that would be 180 even if I dont get another pom
Thats pretty good.
magic rivet
Also try to get Impeding doom
karmic girder
I've yet to beat Hades. been to him 3 times though. this is attempt 33
magic rivet
The delay doesn't matter since you can immediately trigger it with ME
karmic girder
Awesome will do
So I will use Athena keepsake in Asphodel. other than that, should I use a God keepsake in Elysium for a dash maybe? Or would I better off with just lucky for DD
magic rivet
I usually took the acorn early on for Elysium/Styx
tame zodiac
Is it a good idea to just default EM4?
stoic sparrow
If you are gud enough
karmic girder
freaking died at the Elysium boss 😦 I hate being bad at this game
daring mango
yea you can do all max heat and still win if you're good enough but your build options are limited
but I'd say EM4 at 16 heat is still manageable with any builds
32 heat with EM4 might need more planning though
turbid needle
freaking died at the Elysium boss 😦 I hate being bad at this game
I've got advice, firstly good on you for taking doom on Q cause Q damage is pathetic without doom, secondly if you want an optimised build or close to one I'd suggest artemis crits on attack and pressure points if you run into artemis later, or hunters mark, and for your core you need minotaur rush and sudden rush secondary, some general tips is try finding dionysius strong drink for damage build up, try finding hermes and get swift strike or quick recovery
with your call I'd say it's up to you but my personal favourites are dios and ares
magic rivet
Is it a good idea to just default EM4?
Probably not honestly, since EM4 changes how you attack dramatically due to how the new boss patterns heavily favor long range weapons
tame zodiac
hmm, I tried a few EM4 runs and it freshens the game up a bit
It was beginning to feel stale to me after 150 hrs 😂
magic rivet
There's a very specific style of build that works well on EM4 and others that will crash
manic willow
Is point beowlduf viable, and if so what should I use with it
limber cloak
Is it a good idea to just default EM4?
no
limber cloak
Is point beowlduf viable, and if so what should I use with it
point beowulf? what
gusty rapids
yeah
gusty rapids
beowulf is one of those aspects that doesnt change too much w level
limber cloak
just go aphro cast
manic willow
Okay, any reccomend
limber cloak
or poseidon cast
manic willow
Okay!
limber cloak
or dio cast with zeus-dio duo
gusty rapids
the levels of beowulf affect bull rush damage, while most of your damage should be coming from cast anyways
so it functions about the same at any level
all the casts paper recommended are good, infernal for aphro/poseidon and stygian for dionysus (you really want extra cast stones from chaos with this build)
manic willow
Ah yes, bull rush, the thing I definitely use often and don’t just ignore half the time
gusty rapids
the standing attack combo / special is pretty awkward
manic willow
Oh yeah cuz if cast I’ll def use
limber cloak
also another thing with beo is, if you find like a single numbskull on the other side of the room, dont bother to bull rush it to death
just special
and kill it
limber cloak
beo attack is slow and meh, but special is decent range
also, you want charged shot as your hammer
gusty rapids
tbf the special's aiming is really bad lol
limber cloak
unyielding defense is decent too with beo
limber cloak
tbf the special's aiming is really bad lol
ive never had any problem with it honestly
gusty rapids
i have issues w it all the time
limber cloak
it is hard to see how far it'll go though
stoic sparrow
Ok tell me, how do I use Dio, I always try to avoid him
limber cloak
dio cast on beo? @stoic sparrow
go stygian, try to get chaos casts. try to get zeus-dio or dem-dio duo
limber cloak
beo
gusty rapids
curse of nausea is a fun duo on rapid hitting stuff
limber cloak
lucifer dio attack is decent
with curse of nausea and low tolerance
chiron dio also works well with the above build
demeter is good too, with dio attack
stoic sparrow
Boi beo is shield's aspect
limber cloak
do you mean stygius as in the sword?
you said stygian above lol
stygian=cast mirror upgrade
stygius=sword
stoic sparrow
Stygian blade is also the swords name
limber cloak
oh, ive always known it as stygius
stoic sparrow
Also Stygius sounds like stylus and this ain't no DS game
flat garden
ok
stoic sparrow
I'll try Lucifer Dio attack
gusty rapids
poison laser
stoic sparrow
Demeter laser with the burst damage at 10 chill I (I forgot its name ) boon is cool too
It's like a constant stream of Arnold Mr. Freeze jokes
willow haven
honest wing
damn chiron with arte special and concentrated volley doing some work
GUYS
i FORGOT I HAD UNDERWORLD CUSTOMS ON
AND DIDN'T TAKE A SINGLE OTHER BOON THAN DEADLY FLROUSIH
coral cave
L
honest wing
yea lol
fringe summit
And i completed it without battling him!?
honest wing
Imma discord mid run again now
got athena attack and aphro dash naturally in tartarus
had arte keepsake
this is a guan yu run
I have deadly reversal already
I have spent no rolls at all
and got chaos special damage already
jovial fulcrum
After 10 wins He just lets you go that one time.
(i forget if its the 10th or 11th win where it happens)
serene zealot
10th is correct
jovial fulcrum
Ye. I just couldn't remember if it was Win 10 or the following win
fringe summit
Yeah i'm actually getting the Credits now
jovial fulcrum
There's also an extra ending, but you'll get the quest for that pretty soon
daring mango
has anybody tried guan yu spin build Merciful End?
like its just a worse version of zeus shield ME but still
jovial fulcrum
I'm sure someone has tried to make ME work on every aspect
strange heath
fists
fringe summit
Can you actually get Ocean's Bounty when you start a run? I wanna farm Darkness
limber cloak
Can you actually get Ocean's Bounty when you start a run? I wanna farm Darkness
no
unless you roll for it, even then the chances are low
fringe summit
Yeah that's what i tried
limber cloak
which is why, imo, you shouldnt start with poseidon keepsake when farming
just do whatever starting god you want, then get all the core boons you want
and then go poseidon in asphodel
fringe summit
Ahh thanks
limber cloak
at that point, youre basically guaranteed ocean's bounty
fringe summit
Core Boons is Attack, Cast, Special and Dash i guess?
fringe summit
Any suggestions on the best Hammer upgrades for Eris Rail?
limber cloak
what hammers do you have
fringe summit
Delta Chamber, Ricochet Fire, Seeking Fire
limber cloak
delta chamber is fine i guess
limber zodiac
Yo
When damage control is on, do your first hits stagger enemies
Or does it act like armor
terse coral
oh wow, 2 straight failed rail run
stuck basalt
anyway i can help? i’m p good w rail
stuck basalt
||hades go brrrr||
terse coral
"imma stack primary attack boon this run 🙂 "
Game: "No, have a hammer for Special"
stuck basalt
shoulda prayed to rnjesus smh
surreal creek
what is the safest eris rail build? i dont care if it is the fastest, i just want ez wins on low heat levels
surreal creek
yeah but what else? i know like aim to get zeus legendary even though i have never gotten that. i see some people go artemis special, athene special, ares special, poseidon special and aphro special
dusky drum
i personally like arte/athena special
and if you want to be funny
ares attack is kinda funny
get dire misfortune + impending doom
and since the damage buff is global
doom will do more
dusky drum
whichever you want tbh
you could also do zeus attack, aphro special, and run for a good call with smoldering air
theres a lot of options and i wont be the one to decide for you :3
do what you want
mild raft
Zeus attack is nuts with Eris in general
You get easy and good aoe that gets buffed by the 75% damage buff
shreds through enemies
Jolted gives you great boss damage as well
fringe summit
Merciful End = G_G
mild raft
I'd say Artemis or Aphrodite on your special is good, Artemis has more potential for damage with Crit builds like Pressure Points and Hunter's Mark while having Aphro in your god pool gives you access to good support boons that will increase your survivability like Broken Resolve and Life Affirmation
Although Aphro also has some good damaging support boons like Sweet Surrender and Dying Lament
opal lodge
well also aphro just has very good base dmg
mild raft
That too
opal lodge
you dont say no to a rare/epic aphro spec on eris
fringe summit
Can someone please help me on how to unlock that Hidden Aspect on the Spear?
I have over 10 runs completed. I have spend more than 5 blood on a non-Zagreus aspect in the Spear
And still nothing happens...
mild raft
You can check the pins in #h1-story-discussion for how to unlock that aspect
fringe summit
have you gotten to hades
I have 10+ clears
cold coyote
and do you have all the other aspects?
mild raft
You don't need all other aspects
cold coyote
non hidden ones
mild raft
Again
cold coyote
that's just how i got it
mild raft
You don't need all other aspects
cold coyote
sorry
mild raft
You only need 5
serene zealot
You only need 5 other aspects unlocked
fringe summit
I have all the aspects on at least level 1
fringe summit
Alright
jovial fulcrum
talk to achilles whenver you can basically.
serene zealot
Always talk to people when they have that ! over their heads, that's how you get a lot of required dialogue for things. Keep in mind it's random what you get at times, it's not always the one you want, but clearing one convo will open up another.
cold coyote
if you have multiple dialogues lined up it can take a couple runs for it to occur
serene zealot
^
fringe summit
Quick question for Eris Rail: Cluster Bomb or Triple Bomb?
jovial fulcrum
sometimes if you go in and out of the admin room it lets you talk to the same person twice
only had it happen like once or twice
cold coyote
that's busted
mild raft
Quick question for Eris Rail: Cluster Bomb or Triple Bomb?
Cluster is usually best
Lots of splosions = good
especially with Rocket bomb
jovial fulcrum
Cluster + Rocket
triple is the third best
fringe summit
And ofcourse i picket Triple 😛
serene zealot
Cluster also gives you more area to stand in to get the bonus
Is rocket really good on Eris though? Isn't that harder to stand in to power yourself up with?
stuck basalt
everyone i am being faced with a very difficult decision
dusky drum
oh??
stuck basalt
epic deadly strike or heroic heartbreak strike
serene zealot
On?
stuck basalt
i have a few other arty boons
stuck basalt
hestia
serene zealot
Do you have pressure points?
dusky drum
unless you have hunters mark
serene zealot
Then Aphrodite would make more sense
stuck basalt
currently when empowered shot crits its doing 1.1k
stuck basalt
but it’s only every 1/5 shots
dusky drum
since you have hunters mark
stuck basalt
aphrodite is tempting but lust shall only tear me from my path
dusky drum
she really is, i love her design
when she first got her art i was skeptical but now its just like 👀
i like it
dusky drum
lol yea, says the 2 bow gang members
serene zealot
Ikr
stuck basalt
finally beat heroes without losing dd
3rd times the charm
if i don’t massively screw up hades i’ve got my 16 heat clear
which is nice
valid dagger
60 heat or bust
stuck basalt
i wanna get 16 on every weapon
stuck basalt
60 heat or bust
tailesque b like
cold coyote
what's the max heat someone has completed?
cold coyote
what's the max heat?
dusky drum
64
serene zealot
63 normally, 64 on hell mode
fringe summit
So i have Triple Bomb, and now the options of: Delta Chamber - Rocket Bomb - Targeting System
Which one?
cold coyote
all due respect but why do you need us to walk you through all your choices? just play the game and have fun.
stuck basalt
dude this is hades builds and compact
people come to talk about builds and combat
that includes advice lol
cold coyote
o
fringe summit
Yeah i went with Rocket Bomb. Never tried Rocket Bomb but it's cool
stuck basalt
delta chamber with hestia is pretty much useless if you’re using that
hope you have fun :)
cunning urchin
Triple Bomb + Rocket Bomb is worse than either of them individually according to some top rail players. I'd take Targeting System there.
stuck basalt
oh yeah it’s not amazing but it’s super fun
fringe summit
Gives me the Metal Slug feeling for some reason
Idk, the sound effects just make me think of Metal Slug
fringe summit
Haha no. You don't know that game? It's a pretty old game you'd usually find on those big arcade devices
lime jolt
Yeah triple + rocket is too slow imo
stuck basalt
hey y’all, what’s a good arthur sword build?
robust anchor
art or aph or ath atk
serene zealot
Aphrodite attack with pressure points?
You'll probably want a decent cast for range if needed too
mild raft
Arthur has range it has beeg s w o r d
robust anchor
why do you care about cast its just to lodge
serene zealot
A, I said if needed, and B, boiling and abyssal blood perks?
robust anchor
“its just to lodge”
serene zealot
Extra help is still help
If you don't use the cast, that's fine, but some may prefer to do so
dusky drum
yea i like the 50% damage from boiling
serene zealot
^
jovial fulcrum
Unless I'm building around a cast, I often take casts just to unlock duos
I'd say i end a run with some kind of cast more often than not
robust anchor
yes the game will prioritize giving boons to fill core slots until theyre filled
cold coyote
but it gets the asphodel fisty boys outta your face
dusky drum
well yea but so does being good at the game and killing them :/
cold coyote
alright dead run i guess
somber drum
@cold coyote use it to corner enemies and get wall slam bonus damage
somber drum
It's easy to forget wall slam is a mechanic in this game.
strange heath
It's easy to forget wall slam is a mechanic in this game.
wall slam build with fists or shield chefs kiss
nocturne raven
Crystal Beam is way too good for its reputation as just a meme boon. Just finished a run using it and the boons that upgrade it (glacial glare and crystal clarity) and that along with Than absolutely melted ||Theseus and Asterius||. Got bad RNG in ||Styx||, but if I didn't it would have been a new PB for sure.
stuck basalt
sorry about your styx luck
i can only seem to make the beam supreme when i get the aphro-dem duo
mild raft
What
stuck basalt
or the one w arty i think that targets foes
mild raft
Except all that time where you’re not directly on top of them
stuck basalt
just go so the enemy is between u and the cast?
eg 🔮——-👹-🧍♂️
peak graphic design right there
mild raft
Sounds like time I could spend not doing that and just letting base Crystal do it’s thing
stuck basalt
perhaps but often base crystal doesn’t target anyone
and i find having that direct control to be helpful
mild raft
All I know is every time I’ve tried to use Cold Embrace I’ve lost out on damage either from the Crystal or from me
stuck basalt
maybe we use different play style then :)
abstract flower
Any tips and builds for Rama?
abstract flower
what about aphro dash?
dusky drum
aphro attack also works :3
dusky drum
youre not gonna be close to enemies often tho
i mean generally you get kinda close
robust anchor
enough for aph dash to do better than art or ath
mighty ermine
yeah with rama being close is pretty frequent
especially with most hammers that you want anyway
but aph dash typically is not worth it over hunter dash, yeah
mild raft
There's always the funny Zeus or Dio special
Dio special for that funny Splitting Headache synergy
dusky drum
i wouldnt say pos for special but you do you
i feel like special is better reserved for like dem/dio
for ps prock
dusky drum
ah ok
abstract flower
idk why poseidon came up
dusky drum
lol
quaint rivet
Any recommendations for Lucifer builds? Just unlocked it
dusky drum
zeus on attack is always a treat
a meme build that is known as super soaker is fun
take pos attack and go for sea storm
dio also works but is still kinda a meme
ares/dem can also work too
abstract flower
what are some good hammers for Rama?
mighty ermine
you kind of want to avoid chain as a first hammer if you can, because it's not going to offer too much without a second hammer like twin shot in tandem, and it nearly bricks your ability to shotgun with triple
abstract flower
phew
mighty ermine
since you want to apply shared suffering constantly anyways
abstract flower
Wow, I already got Unhealthy Fixation in this run and I haven't even left tartarus.
I have UC on my 20 heat run and idk which boon to get rid of xD
lime jolt
DC2 is still incredibly annoying with rama imo at high heat
dusky drum
i mean on my 40 run it was fine but idk if thats considered high :<
lime jolt
Its fine
mild raft
No yea it is annoying
lime jolt
But sometimes is doesn't hit twice and saviours make it worse
And you have to spam special twice
stuck basalt
true
mild raft
Cause you're not always hitting every enemy with a special at least twice
mighty ermine
i don't find it annoying at all on like 90% of enemies
stuck basalt
i think it’s good for beginners bc it’s easy to manage
stuck basalt
but as soon as you can handle other stuff
just switch out
i used it for my first two heats lol
and then i realised how goddamn annoying it was
lime jolt
Yeah that was my first few heat on fists and rail
dusky drum
numbskulls, sure kind of annoying
god i had savior numbskulls that were extra fast with bp2
it was scary
they just kept layering dc's
and approaching me
and there was like 15 of em
mild raft
That's when Zeus special is genuinely helpful on Rama
lime jolt
Yeah i prefer hangover over zeus in case I run into a savior numbskull rooms that will kill my run instantly
cloud vault
And on JS3 you can run into some bad influence situations
And that is one mighty as hell boon
boreal prism
what's good on lucifer's hellfire?
zeus is underwhelming, poseidon feels like an antisynergy, and athena behaves unintuitively
boreal prism
it's the special
dusky drum
its the special for the hidden aspect
turbid needle
oh
dusky drum
honestly idk what works for it
flat garden
i just use whatever i come across
boreal prism
I could see doom bein good, sure
mighty ermine
artemis, aphrodite, athena are all solid for luci special
daring mango
so I mostly take advantage of it going boom
mighty ermine
athena has really neat utility in that the pulses also deflect
triple bomb is also just really, really good on luci
boreal prism
I haven't gotten that yet... I did get range increase + athena special which shreds all witches in elysium
but doesn't do much else
i gotta say, if i cant use an athena boon to effectively deal with satyrs then it's not all that good to me
mighty ermine
that's a pretty bizarre metric but sure
it's mostly just damage you're looking for on it, anyway
boreal prism
that makes a lot of sense
I'll go for aphro or arte i guess
satyrs are just too rude...
lime jolt
zeus is underwhelming, poseidon feels like an antisynergy, and athena behaves un...
Triple bomb with something like artemis is insanely good
You can one shot boss phases
Just know that the bomb activates when you or an enemy attacks it
Ok never mind tailesque already answered ur question
U want to be dash striking through the bombs so that they activate
turbid needle
what's better a heroic pose special on my shield or an epic ares special?
robust anchor
what shield
turbid needle
chaos
turbid needle
nah just this one and his call
robust anchor
i think ares is pretty good on shield spec since it has low base dmg
turbid needle
do i keep ares and go for an epic breaking wave? i do have pose right click
mild raft
I'd say keep ares
robust anchor
feels so insanely painfully slow tho
mild raft
Just get ME 😌
robust anchor
lol
turbid needle
i have 2 other options epic sunken treasure and an epic breaking waves
robust anchor
chaos shield has always been so slow for me
turbid needle
which deals 200 damahe when hitting barriers
robust anchor
i recommend you just test them out and see what you like
turbid needle
ok
turbid needle
chaos shield has always been so slow for me
actually buo wolf feels even slower if you don't get sudden rush
mild raft
Well you're not fully charging with beo mostly if at all
turbid needle
tank god i found dtrong drink at the start cause i was on 25/242
just beat meg
OHH
i just got my special upgraded to heroic
what's her name? orpheus muse? she she hit the spot
stuck basalt
aww tbe lil zag emoji
ember mica
On Eris rail, I just had Poseidon attack, sea storm, double strike, high voltage, and thunder dash to top it all off. In the final phase of em4 hades, the entire battlefield was blackened by lightning strikes and I couldn’t see anything lol
stuck basalt
once i crit w rama power shot
and had epic clean kill
it was insane
don’t remember how much damage off the top of my head
but damn
ember mica
Yo that sounds like big numbers
ember mica
I always forget that I carry companions with me so I never use mort on him, which makes me mad whenever I forget
stuck basalt
so rama base damagex2 bc twin shot + 60% bc of shared suffering. then all that crits on a perfect shot plus the perfect shot upgrade where it does +150% damage
i’m trying to work out the chunkiest possible rama crit
turbid needle
Shared Suffering is jacked Mirage Shot.
ember mica
How about that aphro-artemis duo for extra crit damage on a weak opponent
stuck basalt
right ofc
special inflicts weak
that’s +30% iirc
and of course we getting that backstab damage
+50%
dusky drum
what are yall mathing out??
ember mica
arty heroic gives +60% damage right?
60 sounds right to me
stuck basalt
ok it says rama does 175 base damage with no boons
on a power shot
is it just me or is that untrue
i’ve got way more than that on skelly
dusky drum
chunkiest possible rama crit
oh me and someone calced some stuff out and hit 25k
stuck basalt
holy hecc
turbid needle
Ooh, ooh, can I show off my 14k crit?
stuck basalt
yes yes please do
dusky drum
like all the possible hermes stuff with rush delivery, several other buffs
it was a lot
turbid needle
stuck basalt
cuz i’m just thinking if you have stygian soul+ 6 chaos crystals + fully loaded from arty + pos sword + exit wounds + pressure points for exit wounds
you could dislodge maybe 24 crystals at once
which could be (24x300)^3 on a crit
turbid needle
God, that was when Support Fire was Artemis' Legendary.
stuck basalt
which might actually be doable with relative difficulty
turbid needle
And Nova Smash T-posed.
stuck basalt
god support fire is so good with some rails
also i think this counts as builds and combat
chiron bow
- that hammer that gives you more arrows on special
can’t remember if it’s concentrated or relentless
+dio special
is so visually satisfying
it’s so smooth and pretty i recommend everyone tries it
quaint rivet
ares/dem can also work too
How does Ares/Dem work for Lucifer? Just build stacks of statuses?
magic rivet
Ares uses Dire misfortune which lets you stack doom
Demeter requires Arctic Blast which will clear the 10 chill stack for extra damage
calm ridge
im not sure if my game bugged out
i did a clear on heat 4 with the rail and got rewards along the way
im starting another run but it says i havent collected heat 4 rewards yet
calm ridge
oh shoot you're right, i did skip to 4, thanks!
silver slate
question, I have both lucky tooth and suborn defiance, will they both proc at the same time?
calm ridge
lucky tooth always procs last
silver slate
just beat the bull for the first time, that was one hell of a fight
silver slate
furthest I have ever made it, got to the arena of elysium
fringe summit
youtu.be/z_qXvU1DJQU
Holyyyyyy
fringe summit
just beat the bull for the first time, that was one hell of a fight
Yep, Asterius was a b*tich for me aswell the first few times
But like with any game: you'll get better and better at it
silver slate
yeah, got all the way there using the gun, just spammed the special
got the upgrade for the 3 round shot for it
fringe summit
Yeah ranged weapons are pretty solid against him. Just watch out when he charges at you
silver slate
ran this build, no idea if it was good or not, the Aphrodite call sucked but https://imgur.com/a/4C0twnr
calm ridge
hades lets you go after 9 clears right? what happens if you try to damage him after he lets you go
fringe summit
When you have nothing in your Special slot and you Reroll Athene 2 times and still dont get Divine Flourish 
robust anchor
i think aph call is fine even without full call
it enables zoos aph duo and is great for bullying bosses
lime jolt
^^^
hybrid flax
Is the Aspect of Chiron any good? I've tried some times and damage isnt there
lime jolt
You gotta level it up
hybrid flax
And which gods are good with it?
strange lark
And which gods are good with it?
most people use artemis, zeus, and dio
artemis is probably the best
lime jolt
Ye and dio is a safe option
Zeus isn’t that good because there is a lightning cooldown
flat garden
zeus on the special is not great
i tried it to run 32 heat
its very lackluster because of the cooldown
flat garden
lmao
that knockback
i didnt even know you can knock dad while he's doing that healing thing
flat garden
the only time i find second wave to be acceptable
this was my chiron with zeus attempt
pearl hare
Does anyone like the aspect of Guan Yu? I'm trying to get it's achievement now and I hate it so much.. I upgraded it to full
pearl hare
I'm being tortured here..
lime jolt
Get charged skewer and artemis on special. Line up ur enemies and boom, easy room clear
pearl hare
Yeah let me just choose from my gallery of all available stuff in the game
Not trying to rude, just frustrated
honest wing
how are yall posting images here yooo
pearl hare
very
honest wing
Get charged skewer and artemis on special. Line up ur enemies and boom, easy roo...
yea basically
static karma
So what happens if I pick up a boon from a god I don’t want and then sell it? Does having no boons from that god going into asphodel affect room generation at all (so more or less rooms of that god) or does the amount of boons you have of a particular god not affect anything? Same from having a lot of boons from a particular god
lime jolt
how are yall posting images here yooo
Image links
lime jolt
Yeah let me just choose from my gallery of all available stuff in the game
Yeah ik I was joking
pearl hare
Hopefully I can get to the surface.. I'm just trying to find things to do together with maxing the keepsakes..
stuck basalt
So what happens if I pick up a boon from a god I don’t want and then sell it? Do...
even if you sell your only boon from a god, they’ll still be offered to you
jovial fulcrum
you wanna play GY like its a bow, not a spear
daring mango
Its not a spear
strange lark
pretty much
daring mango
Its a javelin
jovial fulcrum
Keep your distance as much as possible
magic rivet
Just don't get hit
stuck basalt
must be incredibly difficult at high heat
magic rivet
Ez
daring mango
Its not a spear, its a javelin
stuck basalt
wow
jovial fulcrum
the drawback is a little harsh yeah.
the move set isn't that good that it warrants such a drawback imo
magic rivet
Few people do
stuck basalt
i just stand in the center of reims and try to kill everything with revenge boons
strange lark
guan yu is best with a special build
daring mango
But for real yea just learn how to not get hit
strange lark
charged skewer and artemis special
strange lark
but i also heard that guan yu and athena attack can be good
daring mango
Learn the patterns
strange lark
because spin is just gonna deflect everything
daring mango
Health is just a room for errors
jovial fulcrum
knowing when you have time to spin a beyblade out is also really important
daring mango
And there's always a Merciful End build for everything
jovial fulcrum
what's the set for GY? Ares Attack/ Athena Special?
strange lark
if you wanna make an ME build i would do opposite
but i dont think that it will be that good
jovial fulcrum
the spin applies a bunch of doom and then the throw triggers it, is my line of thought there.
using the spin a lot is hard though
strange lark
but i like how the spin will deflect everything
lime jolt
must be incredibly difficult at high heat
At 40 heat it's not terrible if you can get charged skewer, but above 45 it becomes a nightmare
stuck basalt
u are far braver than i
lime jolt
At 50 heat you have to take RI2 which makes you start with 25 health
I've not even tried 50 guan yu but it looks incredibly difficult
jovial fulcrum
I'd probably shoot for Zeus/Aphro/Dio for attack
of GY that is.
do spinny things i guess, idk
lime jolt
The ideal combo for guan yu is to speical, then dash strike twice
limber cloak
serrated point at 50 heat 
honest wing
attack boon is good for clutch healing
lime jolt
Serrated point is actually pretty good on guan yu
honest wing
or at least topping up
stuck basalt
what’s your best weapon/ aspect for dodging?
lime jolt
wdym?
stuck basalt
not dodging the mechanic
jovial fulcrum
o
lime jolt
Well all the weapons are pretty much the same
jovial fulcrum
Achilles i guess?
lime jolt
Hestia for sure
stuck basalt
idk i find i take a lot less damage w hestia
lime jolt
I almost got a no hit run with it
lime jolt
I got hit once in asphodel
stuck basalt
so i need to get gud
jovial fulcrum
Serrated Point always ends up being better than I think it will be.
the worse dash seems bad, but it really isn't for low heats at least
stuck basalt
i wish i could turn on em4 without em3
jovial fulcrum
especially with Achilles, which is the spear i usually run
limber cloak
i wish i could turn on em4 without em3
honestly same
stuck basalt
achilles spear best spear
limber cloak
em3 asterius miniboss has ruined way too many runs for me
jovial fulcrum
Spin-To-Win bull isn't your favorite enemy in the game?
stuck basalt
i find the miniboss alright
stuck basalt
but it’s when bull is spinning and theseus is summoning god circles and stabbing me
limber cloak
^
hybrid fractal
oh i hate theseus
limber cloak
the chase and triple jump attack are what get me
jovial fulcrum
on EM3 i ignore Theseus and just focus down Asterius
lime jolt
I have gotten a bit better at the chase now
limber cloak
fo2 asterius chase, i just accept my death honestly
pearl hare
I'm on 0 DD and still haven't found the sack..
lime jolt
fo2 asterius chase, i just accept my death honestly
nah u gotta hug the wall and then when he's about to hit you, dash out of the way
stuck basalt
I'm on 0 DD and still haven't found the sack..
.yike
limber cloak
nah u gotta hug the wall and then when he's about to hit you, dash out of the wa...
he manages to bounce back from the wall and still hit me
stuck basalt
do you have 200g for a well/ athena boons in shop?
limber cloak
asterius using glitches yo
lime jolt
he manages to bounce back from the wall and still hit me
Ye it works like 70% of the time
Sometimes I mistime it and he just chases me and then -70 helth
stuck basalt
when on em3 i think@we should call him asteroids
limber cloak
also ive had like 4 32 heat runs where i forget to take tooth and then get forced into miniboss
lime jolt
lul
pearl hare
DIED
lime jolt
I like to take acorn at 32
stuck basalt
rip
pearl hare
Ops
stuck basalt
lol
stuck basalt
guan sue
jovial fulcrum
that's what they all say, but they all come back eventually
limber cloak
guan yu is bad when you dont have it maxed out btw
pearl hare
Well I'm in pain right now
lime jolt
pengy is a guan yu lover lol
I just see potential in it
pearl hare
I have it maxed out
stuck basalt
if u have unmaxed guan yu there’s a solid chance you die before meg
limber cloak
you should watch some of astaos' streams/vods with guan yu
the ideal dmg combo for it is to special, then dash strike twice, then special again
lime jolt
you should watch some of astaos' streams/vods with guan yu
yeah astaos is really good at guan yu