ik base attack boons affect it
#h1-builds-and-combat
dusky drum
and i think chaos does too
yea
yea
attack boons affect dash attacks too i think
just in case id say ask someone more experienced than i am :/
turbid needle
Boons, yes.
There are a few Hammers for different weapons that only affect standing Attacks or Dash-Strikes, but not both. I don't know where an exhaustive list is, though.
daring mango
I feel like almost anything is viable with eris 
mighty obsidian
Why is poseidon so damn good
Its so easy to create some insane build
Like aspect of hera floodshot + sea storm plus some other stupid effects like % damage + to bosses and stuff
Aspect of gilgamesh tidal dash sea storm
Any gun with tempest strike and sea storm
mystic ember
You really like sea storm huh?
flat garden
its a good boon
flat garden
paired up with t2 zeus boons it can deal some big aoe damage
mystic ember
I should probably start actually looking at the duos in the codex so I know what stuff to pick
mighty obsidian
Also another thing if you’re using the double status mirror you can get rupture for poseidon and jolted for zeus
So that’s an easy +40%
mighty obsidian
Lv 9 thunder dash 😳
flat garden
i just really like zeus boons 😳
mighty obsidian
But yeah its so satisfying
Same
Zeus has the best synergy with other gods imo
All of his duos are helpful and he can be put on like any build
Also idk if this is a hot take but I don’t think aphrodite is that bad
She has huge dps even if weak is a bleh effect
pliant anvil
aphrodite is pretty good, highest % increases, even if artemis is usually better on average
And some of her duos are really good, like heartrend
pliant anvil
or low tolerance/smoldering air
pliant anvil
only if you get sweet nectar really early imo
If you get it like, in styx that's a big oof
pliant anvil
I think every god does though
mighty obsidian
Crush shot (for the msor part)
pliant anvil
like, Zeus's dash is awful
mighty obsidian
Its not that good yeah
flat garden
apart from dem's
pliant anvil
I think there are very few dashes I want less than zeus's personally
flat garden
i think dem has got the weakest tier 1 boons tbh
mighty obsidian
Ehhh
pliant anvil
I'd probably even take dem for the slow
flat garden
none of them i would go for immediately
mighty obsidian
Frost flourish is so good
flat garden
unless im going for a crystal clarity cast build
mighty obsidian
This is probably a hot take and a weird comparison but I find demeter to be a more effective aphrodite
She has a way better status, high damage
pliant anvil
Ehhh... I feel that might be true if you ignore duos
mighty obsidian
Dem duos are meh
pliant anvil
dem duos are pretty bad
flat garden
cold embrace 
pliant anvil
though blizzard shot can be pretty good iirc
mighty obsidian
Isn’t that the autolock one?
pliant anvil
no, it's the "fires at you" one
pliant anvil
well, if you go for crystals
flat garden
especially if you have a ton of charges
pliant anvil
I think there are better casts though obviously
i.e. anything with mirage shot personally
jovial fulcrum
I always really enjoyed passion dash, personally. I'll always prefer Divine and Tidal dashes, but Passion is never something I'm sad about picking up
mighty obsidian
Passion has such low dps that’s my problem
flat garden
i dont use passion for the damage
mighty obsidian
It just doesn’t compare to other dashes imo
pliant anvil
I feel dash's damage isn't something to worry about most of the time
mighty obsidian
Dps and damage are the same thing
pliant anvil
it's usually just something extra imo
pliant anvil
even on eris playing without tidal dash is still perfectly fine and that's like, the absolute best place for tidal dash
mighty obsidian
Maybe I’ve just used too much tidal dash lol
pliant anvil
I mean, tidal dash DOES do great damage
mighty obsidian
Its my favorite boon in the game
pliant anvil
But tidal dash is a weird outlier
it and divine are easily the best
divine for defense, tidal for damage, especially in styx
jovial fulcrum
The weak application is so good. If you have any other aphro boons applying week is very good
Sweet Surrender, Embrace or w/e it's called, Low Tolerance, Heart Rend, Curse of Longing etc
pliant anvil
sweet surrender is iffy
mighty obsidian
I beat theseus and asterius in like 20 seconds with a sea storm tidal dash build
pliant anvil
I'm pretty sure it's just +10% damage
not even base damage
or total damage
but like, boon + 10%
flat garden
isnt it global
jovial fulcrum
I always get Surrender and Embrace mixed up tbh
pliant anvil
isnt it global
not AFAIK from the testing others have done
jovial fulcrum
But damage is damage at least, it's not bad to have even if it isn't impressive
Oh, it's also a status for Priv Status
mighty obsidian
Also is it just me or I think ares is boring
jovial fulcrum
Weak
mighty obsidian
Curse and blade rift are just generic damage dealers
jovial fulcrum
Specifically off dash in this case, but in general too
pliant anvil
Oh yeah, weak is probably the easiest status to apply considering it's innate to the god
mighty obsidian
Most of his t2’s are just revenge or +%s
pliant anvil
Ares is pretty meh except for ME builds imo
flat garden
not AFAIK from the testing others have done
so what does it add onto
pliant anvil
and maybe some extra damage on artemis builds
mighty obsidian
ME?
pliant anvil
so what does it add onto
it's just additive AFAIK
jovial fulcrum
Weak, Chill, Hangover.
Curse is also easy to apply but it's not as plentiful with sources
mighty obsidian
Is that the deflect curse?
flat garden
additive to what?
pliant anvil
yeah
mighty obsidian
I just recently got all duo boons still learning the terms
pliant anvil
additive to what?
just a source of additive damage like boons, god's fave/PS, etc
pliant anvil
So, if you have sweet surrender, a +50% damage boon, and another source of +50% damage, it's 110%
Well, global is different than additive
flat garden
i know lol
pliant anvil
not multiplicative
flat garden
most of the boosts in this game is additive
pliant anvil
Only source of that is crits AFAIK
turbid needle
OH GOD I DEAL 2K DAMAGE WITH A SINGLE HIT ok so basically i got crit artemis on arthur and it deals dumb damage now
flat garden
a 10% dmg increase is still pretty good though
pliant anvil
ehhh
flat garden
crit arthur builds are good 👍
pliant anvil
depends on what your source of damage is
like, for casts? yeah
but for an aphro attack build? 10% is almost nothing
flat garden
sure
turbid needle
if i can get hermes attack speed the build is complete
jovial fulcrum
my damage source is passion dash
flat garden
im just that type of person that thinks more bigger numbers equals better
pliant anvil
I mean, bigger is better, I just wouldn't rate sweet surrender very highly
manic willow
I’m going aphro hera aspect
calm ridge
im just that type of person that thinks more bigger numbers equals better
well 2.5k crits are pretty nice to have
manic willow
Any other suggestions
jovial fulcrum
have fun
turbid needle
im just that type of person that thinks more bigger numbers equals better
i mean when 1/3 of astarus hp bar turns white on 1 hit that will give anyone a dopamine rush
pliant anvil
I want to make it clear, I won't turn down sweet surrender, but it also isn't a first pick
flat garden
I mean, bigger is better, I just wouldn't rate sweet surrender very highly
yeah, i dont rate it among the good boons either, it's just nice to have.
exactly
pliant anvil
Now, if it was multiplicative, absolutely every single time
cunning urchin
Sweet Surrender is really good. It buffs damage from all sources.
Hangover, Doom, summons, etc.
pliant anvil
depends what you use it on. Like, you're not gonna get much from it if you're using aphro attack i.e.
flat garden
it's still more damage lol
coral cave
Idk about you but I'm not turning down extra damage
pliant anvil
But yeah, for everything else that doesn't get % scaling like attack/special does it's pretty good
flat garden
i think its one of the better aphro boons in general but i'd take another one if it was better
dapper rune
I've been trying a lot of fun builds in my 100 hours so far, and I am really enjoying a crush shot/hera bow, and I wanted to try a good beowulf build. Does anyone have any suggestions? feel free to ping me if so
daring mango
Sweet surrender is good for curse builds since curses are really the only one that suffers from the lack of damage boosters
Since they only really get upgraded through poms or global damage booster boons
ruby igloo
Anyone have any advice on the best aspect of Nemesis build?
well. not best but, a good one?
ruby igloo
ok so don't focus art?
robust anchor
pray very very hard for double edge hammer
you can go art atk and aph special and pray for their duo
ruby igloo
start with aph ?
jovial fulcrum
hoarding slash lmao
bigger nova is kinda nice i guess but eh
Serrated Point or Flurry Jab?
Achilles Spear, Flood Shot. still in Tart
EM4, no other heat
I really like Serrated but it seems like Flurry this time
manic willow
What weapon should I try EM3 on first?
I’m good @ fists and bow,, okay at gun sword spear
jovial fulcrum
Weapons with range make EM3 easier
Spin to Win bull makes it tough for close range weapons sometimes, if Asterius decides to spam that attack
hybrid parcel
anyone know what build to go for gy?
cunning urchin
I've been trying a lot of fun builds in my 100 hours so far, and I am really enj...
Passion Flare + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air.
surreal creek
whats the easiest chiron bow build for low heat?
daring mango
Zeus and dio
surreal creek
should i get stygian or infernal soul?
robust anchor
art special is pretty popular. styv vs infernal almost doesn’t matter. just pick your favorite
robust anchor
anyone know what build to go for gy?
do aph atk art spec or reverse. go for the duo
surreal creek
i mean i dont use casts that much so maybe the cheaper. but also if i get like dio cast or smth else ill use it against bosses and its kinda annoying having to pick them up so idrk
pliant anvil
Each has different uses @surreal creek stygian soul is usually used for casts that don't come back very quickly even if they kill the enemy (i.e. festive fog, crystal, ares vortex) while infernal soul is used for casts that you can pick up fairly quickly
There is room for personal preference obviously, for example, I like stygian on achilles spear because it can't dislodge vs bosses and doesn't have reduced lodge time (assuming I'm not using fog/crystal/ares).
jovial fulcrum
I've gotten Tisophone 3 times in a row lol
thorny pelican
Nice!
fringe summit
Is there any advantage in loading multiple Casts at once when using Hera Bow?
daring mango
also I guess its safer. you get to attack with 3 casts during a brief safe time compared to doing it without using another aspect that can't attack with 3 casts that fast
fringe summit
Yeah
I really underestimated the Bow
I thought the bow was boring and sucked, but good lord that Hera aspect though
daring mango
I like every weapon. Personally though I think the bow, on average, is the best weapon since all of its aspects are decent and has really great hammers
the best aspect is Eris from Rail though
fringe summit
I still need to give the Rail a try. Did only 1 quick run which i failed badly
jovial fulcrum
gilgamesh best aspect
One of these days I'll get ME Gil with heroic reflexes
one day
fringe summit
Stupid question: what is "ME"?
jovial fulcrum
Merciful End
fringe summit
Ah, that's a Duo Boon right?
jovial fulcrum
Ares/ Athena Duo.
When you deal damage with an Athena boon, it makes the Doom on that enemy proc instantly
flat garden
what does proc mean
jovial fulcrum
activate
flat garden
ive seen lotta people say it but i dont actually know what it stands for
ah i probably shouldve worded it like
whats it short for
fringe summit
"Proc is an acronym for a programmed random occurrence that refers to a weapon, item or ability activating with the "Chance on Hit" or "Chance on Use" effect (an ability or a spell)."
So, e.g: Doom is basically damage that triggers after a few seconds
"Proccing Doom" means: activating that damage (that would normally happen after a few seconds) instantly
jovial fulcrum
the setup with Gilgamesh is Ares Attack and Athena Special/Dash (the special is a prereq for ME itself)
Because of how gilgamesh's dash works, you can apply Doom and ME it instantly.
flat garden
"Proc is an acronym for a programmed random occurrence that refers to a weapon, ...
thats interesting, i never would've thought it would come from that
cheers for the knowledge
fringe summit
Tbh, i didn't even knew what the acronym was. I just knew what "proc" mean 😛
So thanks Google
hearty mulch
ME is arguably one of the most powerful Duo Boons in the entire game
Since you can stack lots of Doom charges and activate them all at once
However, it isn't good enough to be as consistent as Zeus Attack Eris Rail
glad void
Tbh any% would be more pog if achilles was faster than eris
its so much cooler to watch
hearty mulch
ngl, I hate Spear, and even I agree with this
jovial fulcrum
what if any heat used GY
hearty mulch
GY's main build is Arti Special Charged Skewer. If you could quickly charge it by dash-specialling, it'd just be a Bow speedrun.
slim lynx
merciful end is extremely powerful but the problem is getting it to really do some work is very inconsistent anyways
jovial fulcrum
Yeah, getting the set up is super sketchy sometimes.
glad void
Good achilles players just look cool, i think it still grow and be faster than the current 6.33 wr but catching up to sub 6 sounds impossible
jovial fulcrum
Sometimes you get lucky and get it within the first half of asphodel, but other times you just don't see ME until styx if ever
and then you're stuck with a pile of crud that can barely kill dad
fringe summit
Goddamn Hera Bow with Arty boons is sick
turbid needle
ive been using athena keepsake through tarturus then switching to zeus keepsake for asphodel and elysium, but i feel like its not working that well
jovial fulcrum
No reason to keep it in Elysium, if you used it in asphodel
terse coral
anddd I died with Zag fist
might've got away from last boss if I didn't mistime my dash
coral cave
Zag fist is pretty ok
terse coral
I just use it cuz vanilla flavor
coral cave
Def not the best but usable
hearty mulch
problem is, that all the trash weapons in the game aren't great, but only good
coral cave
Dem fists still the best tho
hearty mulch
what’s your fave fist aspect?
Dem Fists
I am a simple man. I see beeeeg damage, I like.
stuck basalt
beeeg damag 🥺
stuck basalt
when dem special crits tho
hearty mulch
the dem special crit is something i love to see whenever DR is on my build
glad void
Dem fist with aphro goes big number
static salmon
man, I just realized how broken poseidon build is
at first I thought the knockback was kinda inferior since it doesn't push agile enemies that much but once coupled with rupture oh boy
and if you add the wall slam bonus and the exploding damage, the satyr rooms are a breeze with the shield
hearty mulch
Because Poseidon boons apply to Shield attacks as well, IIRC
Since those have inherent pushback
jovial fulcrum
i think thats the case yeah
one of my favorite builds is near pure posiden, with a side of Sea Storm Jolted
jovial fulcrum
does sweet nectar affect Mom's keepsake?
honest wing
i dont think so
coral cave
Nope
jovial fulcrum
rerolling twice and getting the same boons each time
surreal creek
hey so im going for a chiron build with dio special and aphro attack to hopefully get their duo. on the first floor i got dio special, aphro attack and athena dash so what keepsake do i use now? aphro to hopefully get the duo boon? poseidon for currency and max hp? or smth else
surreal creek
ok
honest wing
and sweet surrender aint a bad boon too
surreal creek
yup
honest wing
also the one that keeps on weak for longer
you kinda want that with low tolerance
but go for the duo firs
the rest are just add ons
honest wing
does cast damage increase stuff like the scintillating feast lightning strike or the blizzard shots floating particles
dusky drum
i dont believe so
stuff with lightning strikes have set damage in the boon description i think
and same with blizzard shot
honest wing
I see
jovial fulcrum
Floor 1 Dread Flight on Chaos shield :O
honest wing
dread flight doesn't actually work with chaos shiel
the only things I look for with chaos shield are explosive return and something like sudden rush or ferocious guard
shield hammers do be kinda bad
especially those for the special
dusky drum
empowering flight is kinda cool :/
except the shield has such low base it doesnt do much
honest wing
yea
unless maybe with charged shot and minotaur rush?
wait no one uses minotaur rush right
spiral badge
I only ever touch charged shot for bullrush hammers
Shield has the same problem spear does of having a diluted hammer pool
honest wing
yea
spiral badge
Between 3 classes of attack instead of 2
Shield attack hammers are like athena though. Bland but solid
I like the dash strike hammer a lot. Makes your DA hitbox into an actual cumulonimbus. Very safe way to get around even without athena reflector on attack. Negates tons of projectiles
honest wing
yea that's a nice one
slim lynx
unyielding defense is also very nice to have
it's just free damage reduction among other hammers that'll barely help me at all
surreal creek
hey so. i wanna get every weapon to heat 5. atm i have done shield and bow. which weapon should be next? i have enough titans blood to fully upgrade any aspect but i dont think i hav unlocked any hidden aspects atm
hybrid fractal
thank u arthur sword for singlehandedly carrying me thru this game
jovial fulcrum
pretty much perfect ME Gilgamesh v Super Dad.
Going in with 275/319 and 3 DDs
gonna be spooky
spiral badge
ME Gilgamesh dad fight always makes me paint a picture of an anime finale showdown in my head. I do love it for that
lime jolt
pretty much perfect ME Gilgamesh v Super Dad.
Going in with 275/319 and 3 DDs
Em4 + fo2?
lime jolt
hey so. i wanna get every weapon to heat 5. atm i have done shield and bow. whic...
Eris is pretty solid
jovial fulcrum
just EM4
jovial fulcrum
Oh holy cow it was also my fastest clear yet
i guess getting handed the perfect ME build as Gilgamesh does that
hearty mulch
Yeah...
The ability to immediately activate 100+ damage with more damage is always good
jovial fulcrum
Beo Shield
Dio Floor 1
Zeus Floor 2
gottem
aaaaand schint feast beo inside of Tartarus
floor 7
honest wing
Hell yea
That's always fun
Once I got like ares slicing shot then engulfing vortex and then vicious cycle all in a row
fringe summit
Whats a fun build to try with Spear?
dusky drum
which spear??
fringe summit
Tell me 😛
dusky drum
lol
ummmm
ares/dem cast on achilles is good
hades works with just about anything imo
and gy ill let you figure that out since idek yet
slim lynx
guan yu charged skewer
dusky drum
gy athena attack is also a trip
glad void
achilles with zeus attack as the speedrun strat i think
dusky drum
hades with serrated is also fast
glad void
if u get flurry its the best if u dont its kinda wack
cloud vault
Artemis for big rush crits
glad void
tbh with spear u can kinda do whatever, if u dont get flurry maybe avoid zeus dio and the status gang tho
i like artemis the most too
aphro can make the special do some dmg too since u do use it with achilles even if u dont always attack with it, wouldnt exactly keepsake for it tho
another neat thing abt achilles is no downside to the dash attack hammer basically since u can always just yeet with special
surreal creek
@lime jolt hey i know im a bit late but u recommended me eris gun. what build goes with it?
dusky drum
im not pengy but...
zeus attack
is i think the best
special can be like aphro/arte i think
dash is best as pos/athena
glad void
ive still not used rail and at this point its a personality trait
jovial fulcrum
Family Reunited get
dusky drum
rail is only good with aspects imo
dusky drum
Family Reunited get
🥳
surreal creek
im just doing it to get all weapons to heat 5 and thereby try them all and see what i like the most
jovial fulcrum
it only took a bit over 100 runs lol
jovial fulcrum
Mom's plan to reunite the extended family
jovial fulcrum
where you invite everyone over for dinner lol
dusky drum
i did it in like 70-80 runs
glad void
im just doing it to get all weapons to heat 5 and thereby try them all and see w...
some aspects like hera for the bow and achilles for the spear made those weapons a lot more enjoyable for me, so if u dont enjoy the weapon u should try out the aspects who look funky when u have some blood to spend
dusky drum
my opinions on each weapon is
sword: nem and pos are fun, arthur is slow
spear: all fun(not zag 🤮)
shield: all are good here too
bow: all are amazing
fist: im a dem enjoyer
rail: i like hestia more but eris is also cool
jovial fulcrum
all the swords just feel clunky to me
surreal creek
wait so with eris gun right. i get zeus attack. but then what do i aim to get? like what keepsake do i use in asphodel. and do i aim for any duo boons?
jovial fulcrum
There's at least one aspect for the other 5 that I enjoy, but it's just hard for me to enjoy a sword run unless its a blessed run thats just good despite being a sword run
dusky drum
but honesty aphro/arte special + pos/athena dash
there arent any specific duos to go for but you can go for like lightning rod or smoldering air if you want
surreal creek
of aphro and arti special when do i chose which one?
dusky drum
sea storm would also be nice if you get pos dash
jovial fulcrum
Aphro on Eris i think
dusky drum
of aphro and arti special when do i chose which one?
id say get them either in asphodel or elysium
jovial fulcrum
Since you already have Zeus
dusky drum
dash has priority since pos/athena dash is crazy good
jovial fulcrum
Aphro Special lets you pick up Smoldering Air
it also just does a ton of damage on its own
glad void
nemesis isnt clunky 😤
surreal creek
ok so zeus keepsake in tart. get zeus attack. in asphodel get aphro keepsake for special if i havnt already. get either poseidon or athena dash
glad void
special dash attack dash attack over and over the entire run is engaging combat
dusky drum
id get dash in asphodel but thats just me
surreal creek
oh ok
jovial fulcrum
either or. I'd prefer Smoldering Air asap personally, but it can go either way
dusky drum
and do whatever you want for call
you should be getting the gauge quickly so any works really :/
jovial fulcrum
Dio call is the best one to get with Air, but its kind of a stretch if you want to use Arti keepsake too
humble thicket
Lucifer rail build ideas? I liked water gun
robust anchor
zoos atk
spiral badge
can vouch for vodka cannon eternal chamber being fun as hell
much less “wow” than true supersoaker, but still extremely fun
dusky drum
ice gun could be fun too
spiral badge
also I love zeus special for Lucy if you find triple bomb. Pink Floyd show all the way out of hell
dusky drum
essentially status boons are a trip
spiral badge
dire misfortune would be a nasty lil wench come to think of it
pretty much any good curse loves Lucy
dusky drum
i mean im sure if you get the damage ramp hammer and have like aphro attack it could be fun
spiral badge
true but that would involve not playing Lucy for the memes lol
dusky drum
whats a good arthur sword build that isnt arte/aphro??
proven osprey
Divine strike also works
dusky drum
Divine strike also works
so like just the high damage gods ig :/
proven osprey
Athena is not high damage
dusky drum
Is maim a trap?
i think its fine, youre given more dashes and the damage from it is pretty good albeit slow
and you deal more damage so :/
i think gilga is just alright
brazen nest
It was pretty good against the bosses
But mostly the build was great for bosses
Killing freeze, demeter legendary, drunken dash
dusky drum
i mean tbh gilga has amazing dash builds
so like, maim is just nice for the extra damage
spiral badge
gilga is a trap :((
maim making you take more damage than you deal out of the box makes it very iffy for me
But it has ME going for it like always
spiral badge
lemme see
From the wiki: **Maim causes the target to take an additional 25% damage and deal an additional 50% more damage to Zagreus. It lasts 4 seconds and deals a Doom-like burst of damage when it expires.
that sounds pretty global on both ends to me
spiral badge
if no specific term to modify “damage” is invoked, like attack or special or cast, that’s usually their code for “global”
that’s why I don’t care for maim. Taking 2x more damage than you deal without the hammer to make it even is just not a good deal imo
dusky drum
its been a while since ive ran gilga so i might tonight just to get a stronger opinion
fringe summit
What does the Anvil do in the room just before the final boss?
dusky drum
it gets rid of one of your hammer upgrades and gives you 2 random ones in return
fringe summit
Oh damn, 2 random ones
dusky drum
its a big gamble and its better to just never take it unless you get garbage ones
dusky drum
Oh damn, 2 random ones
yep
fringe summit
Hmm, sounds tempting though 😛
dusky drum
its a lose 1 gain 2 scenario but it can very easily screw you over
dusky drum
Hmm, sounds tempting though 😛
lol it is
ive had a couple runs salvaged by it and a few more ruined by it
fringe summit
RIght now i'm running spear and got Extending Jab + Breaching Skewer
If it would take Breaching Skewer away i'm golden 😛
dusky drum
but thats a 50/50 so no guarantee
somber drum
@dusky drum you know I never actually thought about getting garbage hammers on purpose and then fighting to the anvil with them...
dusky drum
oh
i mean that could work
but the anvil doesnt always show up so :/
you might just screw yourself over
fringe summit
Hahaha
Imagine picking the 2 most garbage hammer upgrades
And not seeing the Anvil
fringe summit
Ok i'm stupid
I was wondering why the hell Merciful End didn't show up
Seems like i took Divine Dash in stead of Divine Flourish
glad void
Anvil might just give u the bad special and cursed slash if ur swird and completely kill ur run
Speaking from experience
somber drum
@glad void right, so what if you got cursed slash on purpose from a regular hammer so you knew you would get two more useful upgrades? That was my idea
fringe summit
I guess you need to experience it at least once. So i'm risking it for the biscuit
Alright, lost Extending Jab ofcourse. And gained Massive Spin and Triple Jab
G_G
glad void
Feels like usually theres a million meh hammers and like two really good ones so thats sounds kinda dumb and adding tons of variance
dusky drum
im not a fan of triple tbh
fringe summit
It is? I seriously never use that spinning attack. Takes ages to charge up
dusky drum
i like massive spin at least :3
somber drum
Seems like i took Divine Dash in stead of Divine Flourish
There are so many details, each run is like planning a wedding. My last run I was going for a cast build with poseidon aspect, things are going good, one shotting everyone in Tartarus. Get to the boss and discover I am not in fact using the poseidon aspect.
fringe summit
Hahahaha
glad void
Spin slow, slow bad
fringe summit
Yeah most of the times i end up forgetting to set the right Keepsake when i start
glad void
When u go into a run with nut 😖
dusky drum
Spin slow, slow bad
;w;
it deals crazy damage tho
and quick spin makes it sooo spammable
and plus hidden spear revolves around the spin
glad void
True thats a neat combo
dusky drum
same with hades aspect
glad void
Still think the jab thing or dashattack is just better but then ur not spinning and spinning is cool
Spinning is ait in normal rooms tho when theyre abt to spawn
Give it a lil achilles powerup too
somber drum
I been meaning to ask what is the advantage of hades over achilles? To me it seems like choosing between a risky debuff that can miss or an equally powerful but much safer to trigger damage buff that can't miss.
glad void
Achilles is way better tbh
mystic ember
I use mainly the spear with the aspect of hades and the sword with the aspect of nemesis. What do you guys recommend I do in terms of builds? Cuz I have no idea what the hell jm doing even tho I already beat the main storyline
dusky drum
hades gives you a bigger spin
mystic ember
Oh, is this a bad time?
dusky drum
I use mainly the spear with the aspect of hades and the sword with the aspect of...
for hades spear i reccomend just going for high damage/deflect and for nem build heart rend :3
mystic ember
hades gives you a bigger spin
It also marks enemies
And makes them take more damage
dusky drum
giving you a 150% max
so its nice
only on attack and special tho
its the same % as achilles just not based on hits and doesnt include cast
mystic ember
for hades spear i reccomend just going for high damage/deflect and for nem build...
Heart rend?
glad void
With nemesis do artemis attack if u can and aphro, demeter, athena or artmeis attack
mystic ember
I'll check it out in the codex
glad void
U can also do one of the other three for attack ig but artemis is the best, and aphro is the best special if the 4 prob, also get heart rend if u can
The special with aphro does insane dmg cuz her modifier is so high and u just spam special dash attack dash attack on repeat with nemesis and it helps with heart rend if u get it
And the reduced dmg is p nice since ur melee
Also always take double edge as hammer if u see it
dusky drum
i like aphro attack arte special
higher damage buff = bigger crits and you already get 15-30% from nem
and yea double edge is great
double nova is also cool
mystic ember
Also always take double edge as hammer if u see it
Really? I usually take the one with the double special hit, or the special leap, or the 200% damage on third attack, which also gives a critical chance so it might go well with it
glad void
I like aphro special more since u special first and higher modifier on thechunkier hit but both are great in both slots tbh
mystic ember
What makes the dough edge better?
dusky drum
Really? I usually take the one with the double special hit, or the special leap,...
the 3rd attack on sword is just bad 😔
dusky drum
What makes the dough edge better?
your dash attack is crazy good and it hitting twice is amazing
glad void
The special that makes u leap and make the little circle thing makes ur build worse
dusky drum
dash nova is debatable, i dont like it
mystic ember
The special that makes u leap and make the little circle thing makes ur build wo...
How come?
glad void
Its slow and effect doesnt help u rly
mystic ember
Hmm
glad void
With nemesis u just spam special dash attack dash attack over and over its literally all u should ever do apart from maybe hades fight u wanna save ur dashes to dodge away sometimes
A slower special just makes u worse
mystic ember
So I should always go for double edge? What about the double special hit one? That's really good, and it also would go well with an aphro special boon since she gives so much bonus damage
dusky drum
my rhythm for nem is dash in > special > dash attack > attack 1&2 > repeat
or just attack 1 and i loop
i prefer to stay close
having it push you in a direction is weird
glad void
Double special hit is v good, but gotta remember vs armoured dudes theyll just not care vs it since it doesnt push back anymore so u cant be quite as unga bunga
dusky drum
i like taking zeus/arte on special
proven osprey
So I should always go for double edge? What about the double special hit one? Th...
That's a bit of damage for sure but nothing is close to double edge
dusky drum
and getting double nova is nice
mystic ember
Huh
Hey btw, is the one that takes away 60% health and makes you regen with attack damage actually any good? I only tried it a couple of times
Worked out once
Didn't the other time
glad void
Its bad on nemesis
proven osprey
It's ok on Arthur
dusky drum
its alright
glad void
Doesnt work with dash attacks
mystic ember
It's ok on Arthur
?
fringe summit
What is the OP Aspect of the Rail again?
glad void
Eris
mystic ember
It's ok on Arthur
Is that the hidden aspect?
mystic ember
Btw, how do I unlock that?
glad void
Nyx unlocks it for u, idk whats the trigger rly tho
dusky drum
after putting 5 blood into sword, having the spear one, and talk to nyx
the specifics are in #h1-story-discussion pins
dusky drum
ahh
mystic ember
I don't want him to leave ;-;
glad void
jus do it lol
proven osprey
dew it
dusky drum
do it
glad void
its easily worth it
mystic ember
Ok, I upgraded the aspect of Zagreus three times so far, 2 left, right?
proven osprey
yeah
dusky drum
it needs to be level 5 :3
mystic ember
who doesnt love that
Me! I don't want him to die ;-;
proven osprey
He's a tough dude, might parry you dark souls style
mystic ember
But its different, cuz he's actually leaving
proven osprey
^
mystic ember
I know he wants me to, but like
WhAt about me?
I want my skeleton friend, (and someone to test stuff on)
mystic ember
;-;
dusky drum
its what he wants
proven osprey
wait he does want
dusky drum
lmao his life is worth a couple bucks so why not
dusky drum
Would you be cool living eternally if you didn’t want to?
i dont like the concept of eternal life
mystic ember
I mean... I get it, but it still hurts ):
dusky drum
im actually having one of the characters im writing have a bit of a dilemma with it :3
like a weird kinda immortal
mystic ember
Ooooo, you write?
spiral badge
I mean I could see living forever being great if you had infinite time to explore the cosmos with zero personal risk
But outside of that what a hell to live in. To be immortal is to be truly solitary
dusky drum
Ooooo, you write?
im trying to make a video game actually :3
mystic ember
Funny coincidence, I am actually also writing about a character that is somewhat immortal
dusky drum
im in a game development class rn and ive been writing out story and gamplay stuff for liek 3 years
mystic ember
Best of luck man
dusky drum
thanks :3
mystic ember
I'm sure it'll turn out great when you're eventually done
dusky drum
i hope so
mystic ember
What kind of game is it?
dusky drum
im wanting to make a trilogy, the first being a turn based rpg similar to persona 5 and octopath traveler in gameplay, the 2nd game take the gameplay of megaman battle network but different, and the 3rd play like hades :3
but this is all for me to explain another day
mystic ember
Ooooo
Very interesting
Well good luck, this stuff can't be easy but I'm sure you'll kill it
dusky drum
thank you :3
solemn hare
I just came closer than I ever had to my first 32 Heat victory. Guan Yu Spear, then utterly blessed on boons and hammers despite having taken Approval Process 2. Got athena attack/dodge/call, and the two hammers that improve the distance and size of the frost fair spin attack. I grabbed as many centaur hearts as I could find but in the end Hades was still able to one- or two-shot me with his spin attack and I just wasn't quite able to dodge it as well as I could.
latent carbon
aspect of hera with flood shot kinda fun
sharp cape
aspect of gilgamesh kinda fun when you don't use special
https://imgur.com/a/49P8cK3
spiral badge
Flood shot rocks in general
Upper mid tier primary damage, s tier utility and secondary damage
sharp cape
i needa try get a run with gilgamesh and blade rift dash, with sturdy dash and the hermes boon that restores damage when you dash after getting hit
blade rift dash and sturdy dash on gilgamesh with the hammer boon for dash attack is fun
that run could of been faster but I'm getting used to using dash to cursor setting for this setup
latent carbon
lol, i got wave pounding and slothful shot too, thanks RNGesus for this game
sharp cape
RNG is on my side in this run, using gilgamesh got blade rift dash as well as bigger rifts and consecutive hit rifts (legendary) the sturdy dash and the dash health return boon.
this is fun
and now i got ares' aid, even better
now i just need a rare or higher pressure points and this will be sooo nice
glad void
why do ppl like guan yu this thing is lame
static karma
which cast is good for achilles spear and stygian or infernal?
dusky drum
ares/dem need stygian and literally every other cast do whatever
static karma
why is stygian good for those casts?
because they don't lodge?
is hunting blades good with achilles
dusky drum
yeaaa so getting bad news is just a buff
dusky drum
is hunting blades good with achilles
very
static karma
how close do the enemies need to be for lightning phalanx to bounce?
dusky drum
it always bounces i think
serene zealot
^
dusky drum
unless theres only 1 enemy
serene zealot
Even off walls
dusky drum
im not too sure ive used it like twice
serene zealot
It bounces like crazy in Styx’s smaller rooms
slate salmon
What are some good builds for the spear? I'm so bad with it T-T
spiral badge
Hunting blades Achilles was how I pulled off spear 32 and I don't think I was getting it done otherwise
hearty elbow
What are some good builds for the spear? I'm so bad with it T-T
Flurry Jab + Deadly Strike works for Zag or Achilles.
gusty rapids
flurry jab 😩
cast builds with achilles, like what aurash said, are also great
they require much less of the spear, if you dont like using it
which i get
slate salmon
Thank you friends
Its less that i don't like it, and more that i'm too used to the sword
So all the attacks are just a bit slower than im prepared for
And next thing i know im being swarmed by flame wheels
hearty elbow
Flurry Jab lets you unga bunga like no sword aspect can compare to.
gusty rapids
to be fair i do not like the spear base kit at all myself so i try to find ways to not use it LOL
flurry jab is one way
slate salmon
Gotcha 🗡️
gusty rapids
flurry jab is a different weapon than the spear altogether tbh
achilles cast build is another way
charged skewer guan yu is also p good and fun
slate salmon
Yeah so far guan yu is my favorite aspect, but then i get wrecked by hades because i can never find a chance to heal
somber drum
You can use the skulls for healing, right?
spiral badge
Running zag bow @ 32. Twin shot, Epic Artemis dash and attack first 6 chambers. Won the Charon fight chamber 7. I don't know what I did to please RNGesus, but I I'm glad I did it 🤣
hearty elbow
Running zag bow @ 32. Twin shot, Epic Artemis dash and attack first 6 chambers. ...
Hope they give you Flurry Shot so you can just hold attack to win.
spiral badge
Got dumped straight from Charon into the sneak. He lasted about 3 shots and 10 seconds
Zag bow good send tweet
gusty rapids
zag bow good send tweet
hearty elbow
I am really struggling to get the 50 Zag under my belt :/ You have to play so careful and aim every shot, what is this, a skill game.
gusty rapids
are u going every bow 50
hearty elbow
I hope. My Hera is abysmal. 40 feels good but 45 is a steamroller
gusty rapids
whats ur pact for 45
gusty rapids
i found hera 40 relatively easy but things change moving from 40 to 50
hearty elbow
whats ur pact for 45
No DC, JS3 CP1 AP1 TD2?
hearty elbow
I don't remember
gusty rapids
as long as AP1 doesnt cuck u
which is a massive "as long as"
tbf
does that actually get you to 45
hearty elbow
Yeah my mechanics are just lacking.
gusty rapids
fair
hera is an interesting weapon mechanically
bit unusual
you going for aphro cast build?
hearty elbow
Moreover sometimes I lose my casts with chaotic BP2 encounters and my damage Shifters to some other part of the map lol
Yeah Aphro
hearty elbow
I don't think it'll be enough for 50 but I may just do Stygian Dio for control and high roll burst but otherwise play bad Zag Bow
As is my legacy
hearty elbow
I lose? Joke's on you dad, I'm dying either way.
gusty rapids
@hearty elbow that pact only goes to 42 unless I’m missing something
so I’m trying on TD3 for now
hearty elbow
Yeah I'll figure out my intended setup for 45 in a bit. I'm too casual for TD3
gusty rapids
understandable
lmk what u come up with
died to asterius :)
had a half decent build going, twin shot and tidal dash
this seems v doable I just clowned myself and lost tooth in prev room to getting hit by two slow moving purple arrows LOL
hearty elbow
i hate dashing into the purple trail of the arrows and dying
gusty rapids
it’s so painful
gusty rapids
I think it’s very doable
opal lodge
might try athena/crush shot
gusty rapids
if I can game good I might get it tonight
hm I’m playing this too much like any heat LOL
gusty rapids
frick elysium got me again
flat garden
why do you have two blank slots there
lime jolt
What blank slots?
spiral badge
also i ended up with explosive shot alongside twin so it was a little weird but it worked lol
lime jolt
Ok i see it
spiral badge
maybe a mod i have upset it?
flat garden
and youre right, zag bow is a monster
spiral badge
but i dont have anything outrageous active. didnt even seed that run or anything
flat garden
i also got my first 13min run with it
spiral badge
did it all naked
yeah i wasnt expecting to clock a pb with 32 heat but it do be that way sometimes
static karma
I tried Serrated Point and died to the reduced dash range, it does a lot of damage though
honest wing
damn serrated point with hyper delivery and arte dash and chaos dash strikes and greatest reflex would be cool
solemn hare
Does chaos' +attack boon increase damage from zeus' storm lightning attack boon?
solemn hare
Darn, thought so
dapper rune
Just started a chiron run with poseidon special and sea storm. It is a lot of fun
manic willow
So cuz I’m still hoping for Poseidon’s last boon for a quest, I’m using his conch
Any suggestions?
Iv been told Eris Gun good
surreal creek
are there any (eris) gun mains here?
if so maybe dm me cuz i need a bit of help with the gun
plucky harbor
what do you need help with?
surreal creek
i just need a good build for low heat but dont wanna flood the chat with questions
surreal creek
delta chamber?
plucky harbor
the one with infinite ammo and 3 round burst
surreal creek
oh
so just zeus keepsake, get attack, get artemis special with keepsake if asphodel if i didnt get it in tarterus? then just purse in elysium and acorn in styx?
the rest of the boons i get are just whatever? or do i aim for a duo boon
plucky harbor
not really, ideally you get zeus legendary.
rest of boons... tidal dash is a good choice
makes room clearing a cake walk
surreal creek
so keepsake wise do i get zeus for attack and if i get arti special i keep zeus for the legendary, if i dont i swap to arti keepsake to get her special? if i get zeus legendary, attack and arti special i just take what i get?
tame zodiac
When going for an Arthur crit build, would it be better to take Family Favorite over Privileged Status?
plucky harbor
family fav
coral cave
so keepsake wise do i get zeus for attack and if i get arti special i keep zeus ...
you could do zeus keepsake in tartarus and arte keepsake in asphodel then whatever else you want in elysium
could do aphro keepsake for dash to unlock smol air+ heart rend
surreal creek
@plucky harbor btw should i go family famorite or priviledged status?
tame zodiac
family fav
Thanks!
coral cave
probably fam fav pik
surreal creek
ok
magic rivet
Huh, I just had an Aphrodite full call deal 5750 damage
stuck basalt
new build: the yoyo
talos fists + tempest flourish
spam special
it sucks but it’s very amusing
mystic ember
I have a demeter attack boon with 100% bonus damage and Zeus is offering me a heroic attack boon with 27 chain lightning damage
Should I take it?
This is really early in the run
sonic ember
which wep
mystic ember
Aspect of nemesis sword
mystic ember
So far I have just a double hit on the special and two boons that have to do with health. And then there's the demeter boon
I'm still in tartrus
vale imp
I wouldn’t take it, Nemesis isn’t really fast enough to utilize the Zeus attack
sonic ember
dash strikes tho
mystic ember
So keep the demeter boon?
mystic ember
Alright
jovial fulcrum
i thought ideal Nem was aphro special for heart rend
cunning urchin
@surreal creek Eris meta for both speedruns and high heat is Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash. You'll want to start with the Thunder Signet and take the Conch Shell in Asphodel. Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish are ideal on your Special. Divine Flourish or Frost Flourish can also work.
Best hammers are Rocket Bomb and Cluster Bomb, ideally in combination.
daring mango
for nemesis percents are better imo
nem crit chance doesn't affect zeus' lightnings
Eris is good for zeus attack or dio attack honestly its just really good
cunning urchin
i thought ideal Nem was aphro special for heart rend
Optimal build for Nemesis is actually Merciful End with Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, and Divine Dash. Heart Rend builds are more consistent, though, but you'd want either Deadly Strike + Passion Dash or Heartbreak Strike + Hunter Dash (+ any crit boon that unlocks Heart Rend) for that rather than rely on Heartbreak Flourish to apply Weak.
daring mango
just remember its a global damage multiplier meaning that it literally multiplies all damage that you can possibly do
cunning urchin
Keeping an eye out for Smoldering Air can be good if you're going for Heart Rend.
jovial fulcrum
is ME just secretly optimal for everything or something, lol
daring mango
so using demeter aspect with poseidon special, you can knockback bosses by a pretty significant amount. So I was wondering, if I knock a boss into a wall, will that trigger breaking wave?
yes it is
ME works with everything since doom is just big damage
cunning urchin
Well, there are a few Heart Rend builds within 20 seconds of the Nemesis speedrun WR, so it can be pretty close.
But ME is ME.
jovial fulcrum
ME was my first super dad kill lol
also my only so far
daring mango
who needs other build if you can just dash strike and trigger 200 dmg doom ME effects
you'll get more soon
also Im that point in my life that my current streak is too high for me to sacrifice
so when I feel my build is bad/Im nearly dying in a hades fight I reset
yes now I have weird importance in my head of keeping that streak
daring mango
I mean it would help me lmao
cunning urchin
Give Up just tells the game to load your permanent save next time.
From back at the House of Hades.
daring mango
I am now a slave of my brain whispering, "pssst, you can just give up and not lose that streak"
jovial fulcrum
Yeah, i know it does
It just seems weird that it doesn't make a new seed when you do
maybe not bad
daring mango
maybe they could code so that if last permanent save was during a run, then current streak = 0
cunning urchin
I am now a slave of my brain whispering, "pssst, you can just give up and not lo...
Do some high heat, that will cure that. 
jovial fulcrum
just strange, to me at least
daring mango
Do some high heat, that will cure that. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
Im too scared
I have most weapons at max upgrades now but Im still insisting to myself to do the heat one by one
as an excuse not to do 32 heat
cunning urchin
Oh, that's fine. I finished my bounties with Malphon before I did 32.
jovial fulcrum
i'm like maybe halfway there for maxing out weapons.
cunning urchin
I think you should finish bounties with at least one weapon before doing high heat. You'll get a lot of good practice and experience that way.
daring mango
I think I'll do high heat just once for every weapon for the sake of them looking equal
then I'll go back to middle heat EM4
cunning urchin
Well, middle Heat is 32, right? Since max is 64. 
jovial fulcrum
I've maxed out... Eris, Demeter, Hera, Beo, GY, Zag Sword.
I'm 1 away on Chiron and Chaos
2 away on Achilles
Then like everything else is rank 1 lol
daring mango
I think I could max them all out if I traded all my ambrosia and diamonds
but I like seeing them with high numbers
jovial fulcrum
I wanna buy the ambrosia themes before I start spending it on titan blood
Ambrosia seems like such a pain to get more of later
cunning urchin
Not really. You get so much Nectar that you don't know what to do with, you can just keep trading them for Ambrosia.
Darkness, Diamonds, and Gemstones are what you'll need. And eventually only Darkness.
jovial fulcrum
but if i trade all my nectar what will i feed bouldy
fringe summit
For Duo Boons it doesnt matter which of the 2 gods you'll find right?
If i want Mercifull End for example, either Athene or Ares can drop it if i have the right requirements?
wise pebble
Any recommendations for a bow build? Im still new
jovial fulcrum
If i want Mercifull End for example, either Athene or Ares can drop it if i have...
right, as long is its not a trial room
fringe summit
Got it, thanks
cunning urchin
@wise pebble I wrote a newbie build guide that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players. It might help you get started.
fringe summit
Does the Athena Dash also proc the Doom damage with Merciful End?
arctic dirge
What aspect should I prioritize for rail
cunning urchin
Probably Eris if you don't have enough Titan Blood to straight-up max out an aspect.
fringe summit
Holy crap Merciful End is OP
cunning urchin
Yes and yes.
fringe summit
Didn't even had to kite Hades. Just face stomp
lime jolt
ME is very op
jovial fulcrum
just wait until you get ME Gilgamesh going
That's a build everyone needs to live the dream on at least once
lime jolt
ME gilgamesh is very mehhh
jovial fulcrum
I mean, its felt like the strongest ME i've played with so far
slim lynx
me is strong but getting it to work is very inconsistent
if you're not up for high-rolling just go with something else 
jovial fulcrum
ME gil is my fastest time yet tho
jovial fulcrum
it seems nearly instant to me?
You just hold down attack and dash and it applies doom then immediately ME's it
dusky drum
yea but gilga attack is slower than normal fist
you can do the same thing with a diff fist aspect and itll be a bit faster
jovial fulcrum
I guesso, if you can mash perfectly
seems tough to do that consistently for an entire run though
dusky drum
ok so
since the eris buff is global
that means it affects doom too right??
since im thinking of doing an ares rail run
fringe summit
So, do i need to spend 5 Titan Blood in EVERY weapon, or just one to unlock Hidden Aspects?
daring mango
I guesso, if you can mash perfectly
just put your thumb both on the attack and dash button and press
just need to press one time and viola
mash all you want
dusky drum
So, do i need to spend 5 Titan Blood in EVERY weapon, or just one to unlock Hidd...
its 5 on the weapon you want :3
so 5 on sword for sword aspect
fringe summit
Aaahhh
dusky drum
5 on bow for bow aspect
fringe summit
But that's weird
daring mango
oh wow never knew that lmao I thought they just came randomly
dusky drum
its 5 per weapon
and you need the spear aspect unlocked before you can get the others
fringe summit
Ah crap 🤣
dusky drum
and you get that one by unlocking 5 non zag aspects
#h1-story-discussion has how to get each hidden aspect in the pins :3
daring mango
it will happen naturally just keep playing is my advice
fringe summit
@dusky drum Thanks
fringe summit
Hahaha yeah i see
dusky drum
yeaaa ME is arguably one of the strongest duos in the game
brittle mortar
yeah, because special doom is a LOT of damage to be hitting immediatly over and over
its like 100 i think when epic
dusky drum
yeaaa, and get impending doom on top of it for the +60% at base
like i had a kinda low 120 damage doom
fringe summit
Yeah i had that today. Impending Doom
dusky drum
and ME
fringe summit
Finall boss was a cakewalk
ember mica
Yo I just had Eris rail with Dio attack, dem cast, low tolerance, and curse of nausea, which just annihilated people from a distance