including dash
#h1-builds-and-combat
willow haven
devout trellis
Or if you want, try Zeus+Poseidon+Demeter
If you are lucky you get two duo boons, it’s crazy powerful
real crest
Ok thanks I just unlocked merciful end on the run I got the fists so that works good
real crest
Or if you want, try Zeus+Poseidon+Demeter
How do I set this uo
willow haven
sea storm?
devout trellis
Poseidon dash
willow haven
build looks wonky ngl
devout trellis
Basically sea storm with cold fusion
Yeah, I only managed to get it once
But, it was amazing
Small numbers just keeps on ticking
willow haven
zeus attack?
devout trellis
Yeah
real crest
Ok I'll try that but what type of effect on what attak
devout trellis
Zeus attack, Poseidon dash, Demeter call/special
real crest
But || Gilgamesh attacks slower that normal fist ||
real crest
Ok I'll try it I guess even if I don't understand
willow haven
you get 
dashes tho
mossy plume
Should I do an Ares / Dio only build in honor of Greg Nemati?
real crest
K thx so much
devout trellis
Also maim with sea storm is huge damage buff
willow haven
w..who?
devout trellis
Dionysus I think
willow haven
oH
mossy plume
Theseus, too.
willow haven
devout trellis
Ew
willow haven
stop right there blackguard
devout trellis
Like how did arstrieus put up with him
mossy plume
Doom and Hangover only, y/n?
devout trellis
Probably n?
devout trellis
What’s ares+dio duo?
willow haven
hangover damage faster
mossy plume
I shall try. SALUTES!
still vortex
^
devout trellis
Can’t remember, barely tried those two
willow haven
3 ticks instead of 2 i think per second
still vortex
ares dio is good if you can stack dio fast
devout trellis
Hopefully 2 duo?
hearty elbow
Curse of Nausea is fire
devout trellis
Sounds like a build for Rama
mossy plume
hell mode, bow only, no divine dash, ares/dio-only, hell yeah
willow haven
yeah aprho dio and ares
tried that, it was pretty good
i tried it on chiron i think
willow haven
yep
hearty elbow
Lol, my only issue with Hangover Chiron is that it is very close to strictly worse than Hangover Rama in every way possible
And yet it's the only way to do high heat JS3 with Chiron...
gusty rapids
i mean you could just amend that statement
my issue with chiron is that its strictly worse than rama in every way possible
:^)
mossy plume
I haven't unlocked any aspects on my HM file so
willow haven
actually true
mossy plume
Bless you all, we gun die
willow haven
rama is tower defense weapon
hearty elbow
LOL not every way possible. I lose a lot of runs because I get Triple Shot with Rama and decide I want to worth enemies by being inside their hurtboxes
willow haven
chad version of chiron
mossy plume
Rama is my fave bow aspect tbh
willow haven
chiron could've been my favorite if it didn't poop in styx
any way i could trade my titan blood for something else? 
tough ridge
which CALL do you guys find that deals the most DPS?
hearty mulch
Greater Call Artemis
Hella damage in a hella short time
Therefore it has the highest DPS of all calls
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
willow haven
artemis call might me my favorite
but poseidon is the most fun
imma go try dio fists
hearty mulch
Arti Call is fun
hearty mulch
My first choice for calls is almost always zeus, dio and pos tho
willow haven
i almost never take dio
slim lynx
unless zeus just isn't available i never take dionysus really
tough ridge
interesting opinions
i find that dionysus and zeus do hella damage
Ares was meh, it was a good escape for me during boss phases lol
slim lynx
dionysus does good damage but not that much room for upgrades
with zeus it doesn't do a lot of damage but if you get double strike and a few poms it's ridiculous
if you're using ares you might as well use athena or broseidon instead
tough ridge
broseidon lol
question, im trying to farm the gemstones to renovate the place, anything better than poseidon build?
proven osprey
Unlocking the contractor's thing that grants you gems upon defeating bosses combined with the weapon thirst thing
prolly an upgrade of dark thirst actually
Just do some runs and the gems will add up
still vortex
you can get chaos and poseidon boons that boost gem drops
proven osprey
Yeah ocean's bounty does some work indeed
dreamy verge
What's a good build for the Twin Fists? I'm not great at the game and have only escaped twice so far with Aegis and I wanted to try something new
hearty elbow
git gud at catching Temple of Styx fish
hearty elbow
What's a good build for the Twin Fists? I'm not great at the game and have only ...
Lowest barrier to entry is probably Divine Strike or Lightning Strike.
dreamy verge
Hmm okay
willow haven
What's a good build for the Twin Fists? I'm not great at the game and have only ...
merciful end
it's just busted
hearty elbow
Merciful End is the high roll build and I'd say that Curse of Agony in general is a harder playstyle for the aspect
Requires a lot of dashing around, but if you're dash striking around to apply Doom you're not getting iframes
willow haven
you will be going with divine dash tho
hearty elbow
Lol, eventually
If you want ME you're getting Divine Flourish first. And I doubt he has rerolls
willow haven
are you running any heat?
dreamy verge
Oh okay
willow haven
you can get tight deadline, the 9 minute one
hearty elbow
Divine Strike is definitely the safest build. Probably aim for like Heavy Knuckle or something for damage buff. Or Support Fire from Artemis. Aiming for Deadly Reversal.
willow haven
wait what fists are you going to use?
dreamy verge
Aspect of Demeter seems fun
willow haven
yepyep
hearty elbow
Nice. It's the best one by a wide margin
willow haven
it's giga fun with kinetic launcher
dreamy verge
Oooo
willow haven
go with artemis special if you get kinetic launcher
dreamy verge
Hmm okay so Divine Strike with Artemis Special
willow haven
err you know
just experiment with it a bit
when you're just starting you'll fail a lot
after around 50ish clears you'll be consistent
after that you'll be clearing stuff in no time
dreamy verge
Good to know, thanks for the tips :D
willow haven
yeah just have fun, the story makes it very warm even if you fail
dreamy verge
Yup :)
willow haven
good luck 😄
static ibex
Can I win with Eris + Hazard Bomb? Let's find out on this edition of Dubious Choices
worldly pier
Hazard is enough by itself to get a win ^_^
static ibex
I took it to fulfill the last prophecy, hits hard though
brazen nest
I got heart rend on rama, but the hammers didn't help that much
neon bramble
What hammers u take?
brazen nest
It was eh cause perfect shot takes far too long to charge
Perfect shot and triple shot
neon bramble
Triple shot is meh
brazen nest
The blast wave one appeared 2 times
neon bramble
Was chain shot offered?
cloud vault
Oh lol, triple is the best hammer
opal lodge
builds and combat really off the rails today huh
mighty ermine
uhh
neon bramble
Triple is dumb
mighty ermine
?????
neon bramble
Twin shot + chain shot will out damage triple shot all day every day
mighty ermine
no it extremely will not
opal lodge
not vs bosses it wont
opal lodge
thonk
mighty ermine
nah you still want something like triple+point blank for champs given it's EM3
shared suffering applied to theseus makes not having chain a non-issue
opal lodge
tailesque
i would trust you
given that you have the rama heat world record
but
manthro is quite good at math
mighty ermine
lol
neon bramble
Lol
opal lodge
the mathmaster, if you will
cloud vault
Mathro
neon bramble
If you only knew how I got this name
lime jolt
If you are inside someone with triple the damage is insane
neon bramble
Yeah, I don't fight point blank with rama, hence why I don't use that combo of hammers
I've tried. Doesn't end well for me
mighty ermine
i mean just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's not one of the absolute best hammers for rama if not the best
lime jolt
You can already hit 3 people with rama if you line up correctly
Its pointless
You can technically hit more than three
mighty ermine
you can already pierce enemies without chain. chain is good but it isn't great like triple, twin, perfect, point blank
opal lodge
i take repulse over chain for rama speedruns
lime jolt
Repulse?
opal lodge
yeah
mighty ermine
LOL i dunno about that one but
opal lodge
doesnt take away your ability to pierce
jdn agrees
idk
i think pierce is probably one of the best things about bow
lime jolt
I mean with ap and a choice between repulse and chain maybe id take repulse
but otherwise no
mighty ermine
my 8:38 32 heat from pre 1.37 was twin+chain
brazen nest
I play bows from mid range
mighty ermine
chain.... works
opal lodge
yeah if its relentless/repulse/chain im taking repulse/resetting
was it chain or twin first hammer tho
lime jolt
Tail casually throws out his 32 time(jk tail you're great)
mighty ermine
lol you know i'm not saying it to humble brag obv, just
it works, but it is not ideal
neon bramble
The reason I don't take triple with rama is the same reason I don't take triple with Lucifer...
I don't take those weapons to play point blank
mighty ermine
it was second hammer bright
neon bramble
I know it works and its powerful, but I can't utilize them that way
mighty ermine
chain was lol
opal lodge
thats like saying that eris' 75% buff is bad because it requires you to play melee range
mighty ermine
yeah that makes sense then
i left out one detail though that confuses even me right now
opal lodge
just because it warrants a change in playstyle doesnt mean its bad
opal lodge
wtf
mighty ermine
i must've fancied myself a scientist
opal lodge
why?????
mighty ermine
improv labbing
opal lodge
lol
mighty ermine
idk
mighty ermine
what do you mean fast charge
brazen nest
Quick shot
opal lodge
make sure youre doing dash strike powershots
brazen nest
Charge a bit then fire
opal lodge
you still want powershots
brazen nest
Oh
mighty ermine
other than with like, souls, low health enemies etc
opal lodge
if you think the powershot takes too long, youre picking bad spots or youre not dash striking
brazen nest
Even with dash strike it feels like forever
neon bramble
Twin is the best hammer for every bow
brazen nest
Zag bow timer is in my head
lime jolt
Same
tough ridge
what weapon do you guys use to farm materials easier?
brazen nest
Every weapon
brazen nest
Just heat+1
robust anchor
what weapon do you guys use to farm materials easier?
i used eris rail and nem sword
opal lodge
hera is a weapon that attaches something thats usually strong, limited by range (casts) to something that gives it range (hera bow)
twin shot nerfs that range
albeit not terribly
mighty ermine
twin and triple are roughly interchangeable at high heat, at least. twin allows slightly more opportunities to attack, triple is much bigger damage
robust anchor
the fastest/highest unga bunga dps weapons
mighty ermine
it roughly balances out
opal lodge
but its just worse than triple
cloud vault
Flurry isn't bad on Hera
tough ridge
i feel like the shield can get stuff done pretty quick
mighty ermine
on rama i mean btw ofc
lime jolt
I didnt even worry too much about heat. I just kinda slapped 16 for every run and have just been getting materials on every run
cloud vault
I rather like flurry hera
lime jolt
flurry on rama sounds insane
robust anchor
whatever weapon is your fastest, just do that one
cloud vault
Instant max range shot and good dps
opal lodge
ive come around to flurry hera
lime jolt
ive come around to flurry hera
Flurry hera is good when people have casts in them
tough ridge
whatever weapon is your fastest, just do that one
ok ill stick with my shield
robust anchor
ok good luck
tough ridge
will do!
robust anchor
i also love shield a lot
tough ridge
its fun when you can do a super speed run
brazen nest
It's time for beo
dusky drum
to me beo is too clunky
like yea cast wep is busted but like
i dont like how it feels
gusty rapids
beo good
lime jolt
Beo good
zinc nova
whats the worst weapon in ur opinion guys
patent pewter
hidden spear
zinc nova
yea
terse mist
bow anything i just cant play well with it
quiet tide
Idk if I'd call anything bad, but I'm still finding my way around Exagryph, only recently figured out it's a lot better with Chain Lightning
patent pewter
another one converted into the gang
worldly pier
Did you heard about our lord and saviour Merciful End ? =p
neon bramble
Idk if I'd call anything bad, but I'm still finding my way around Exagryph, only...
That depends on what aspect you use.
Chain lightning no bueno for Hestia
gusty rapids
there are no worst weapons (its gilgamesh)
quiet tide
Did you heard about our lord and saviour Merciful End ? =p
Do you have to actually hit them with the attack, or the deflected attack? Like, is it enough to Divine Dash through someone?
patent pewter
lol gilg with maim kills me in Elysium over and over
turbid needle
Just the Deflect option.
neon bramble
Do you have to actually hit them with the attack, or the deflected attack? Like,...
Anything that deflects
hearty mulch
there are no worst weapons (its gilgamesh)
you take that back
gusty rapids
i will not
turbid needle
You don't need to Deflect an attack like with Deadly Reversal.
I'm with Poke. Worst non-Zag Aspect is Hera.
neon bramble
All Zag aspects aside from exagryph suck
turbid needle
Zag shield, bow, and fist are all great.
patent pewter
at low heat anything goes right
turbid needle
If you spawn into Flurry Slash or Explosive Launcher they're actually quite good.
Yes, but also at high Heat.
gusty rapids
flurry jab is the only thing that can save zag spear to me
turbid needle
I know someone who beat 32 Heat with pre-buff Zag Sword.
neon bramble
Explosive launcher is great
gusty rapids
im not the biggest fan of it but its fine
neon bramble
It's not that zag shield or fist isn't good, it's just that once you unlock the other aspects, I I don't see why I'd ever pick them
gusty rapids
fists can be funny for dodge stack tbh
neon bramble
Zag Exagryph has benefit
Zag bow... Ok fine...
The rest? Meh
gusty rapids
i dont like zag shield but i guess it has a niche w pulv blow
the crit chance for zag bow is actually super epic, it needs a good hammer but i love it once u get that hammer
neon bramble
I hate Zag sword, and I have never forgiven Skelly for making me pump blood into it
dusky drum
I hate Zag sword, and I have never forgiven Skelly for making me pump blood into...
lmao
lime jolt
Hidden spear isn’t bad ur bad
patent pewter
can't argue with that
gusty rapids
gottem
quiet tide
Can Lambent Plume take effect in Styx? It only upped my chances once or twice, so it doesn't seem feasible. I only ask because there's 70 chambers including Styx, and 70 times 1.2 plus 15 percent from the Zag Fists is a 99% dodge chance
Which is likely impossible but would be hilarious
jovial fulcrum
there's boons for more dodge w/ hermes as well
quiet tide
Too bad, I thought I had found the ultimate TAS build for a second there. Not that it would need the dodge chance, but still
It would be funny
neon bramble
Yeah.... You can get it pretty high with the right Hermes boons regardless
quiet tide
Getting to stand still while Hades whiffs 99 times
jovial fulcrum
Second Wind + Smoldering Air is turbo dodge by itself
neon bramble
Second Wind + Smoldering Air is turbo dodge by itself
Athena aid with that is lol
quiet tide
Getting level 3 Plume boost with 35 initial chambers plus 2 bosses in Styx plus 15 from the fist equals 59.4% dodge chance.
Epic or Heroic Second Wind pushes it over 100, so invincibilirt
quiet tide
Plus Athena's Aid and a boon that autofills God Gauge
I think I may be onto something lol
You could spend nearly all the fight invincible or with a 100% dodge chance with enough rng
jovial fulcrum
but can you dodge poison
opal lodge
ah the ol dodge cheese strat
long story short; it works, but up to a point
turns out its pretty hard to get a good rarity greater evasion and second wind on high heat
also some JS3/CP2/DC2 runs just cannot be cleared in a reasonable amount of time
so reaching 100% dodge is actually quite hard on 40+ heat
quiet tide
I'm surprised it's possible to do at all, honestly. I'm on 5 heat but I doubt I could get all of the necessary boons
lime jolt
Why does it feel like beo does so much more damage than hera with the same boons?
With one beo dio cast I took out a 1/3rd of hades health but with 3 hera I took out like a 1/5th?
I put an example of beo in victory boasting
That stuff doesn’t happen with hera when the damage is the same right?
static ibex
lol I just hazard bombed with artemis crit for 1908 damage
little Pom power and now I get > 2k
jovial fulcrum
doesn't Beo just have extra cast damage as a passive
static ibex
I like Talos personally since it keeps the enemies close
jovial fulcrum
or is that only area of affect
turbid needle
Zagreus or Demeter.
Talos is finnicky on effectively grabbing enemies while also applying the bonus, and Gilgamesh is a little slow (even with 3 bonus dashes).
Demeter gives you nuclear Specials, but 15% innate dodge rate is really really strong.
gusty rapids
demeter is generally the best imo
forest nova
thanks a lot guys
turbid needle
No problem.
forest nova
what about for sword before you unlock the final one?
turbid needle
I'd say Poseidon and Nemesis are stronger, anyway.
gusty rapids
^
i like both of them
they're both fairly different and very fun and viable in their own ways
lime jolt
doesn't Beo just have extra cast damage as a passive
I dont know but beo just feels more powerful
lime jolt
Yeah personally i like nem but it requires a lot of setup
gusty rapids
nem just feels so good when it comes online, but i like poseidon for how much versatility it has
lime jolt
^^^
muted canopy
if you have aspect of hades and you can't get Quick Spin then Athena's Aid is incredibly useful because you can make yourself invulnerable while you charge it up
devout bloom
I'm having trouble with Styx
Long ranged combat no problem. Short range definitely
Those big rats spray poison everywhere and I can't get close and hit them with the sword or fists
static ibex
If they spray poison retreat and wait for them to move away from it
lime jolt
Or just cure yourself so you only take minimal poison damage
If you do it right you should only take like 3 damage
muted canopy
Hera cast shot + explosive shot is very good
dusky drum
Hera cast shot + explosive shot is very good
noted
lime jolt
Is it tho?
muted canopy
I have Crush Shot on it as well since, Aphrodite run
dusky drum
yea so like the 300% from explosive + the absurd numbers of aphro
not including any specific attack buffs
very big :3
muted canopy
I have calisthenics program on and it's still taking out armored foes in like two hits
dusky drum
nice
muted canopy
I just got Tisiphone and the room started getting smaller after four shots
and she's dead
holy freaking crap
orchid folio
haha damn she gets so easy to beat after a while
orchid folio
Y E S
muted canopy
This build is freaking busted
orchid folio
It's tis with the demeter cast that is 👌
muted canopy
I got a braid of atlas in the well time to absolutely annihilate asphodel
muted canopy
man all I need is a recall boon from hermes
orchid folio
What's the whole build?
muted canopy
alright I currently have
- coronacht aspect of Hera level two
- explosive shot
- crush shot level three
- quick reload
plus a braid of atlas on top of that
dusky drum
do you have an attack boon??
muted canopy
haven't gotten one yet
my other ones are divine dash and heaven's vengeance
poseidon gave me tempest strike
orchid folio
nice nice
muted canopy
got lernie onto his four head phase in three shots
muted canopy
Crush shot is like my least favorite cast but with hera it's been great, I just keep levelling it up
orchid folio
oh my gosh your pbs are good
flat garden
crush shot is my favourite cast to use with poseidon
dusky drum
my pb is like 17 with sword and i havent been able to top it
even though ive had better builds
flat garden
but it's so bad with HL3+
because you have to stand real close to the enemies
unless you have blown kiss
hera bow runs sounds like fun with it though
lime jolt
Crush shot with beo is fun
brazen nest
Granted those pbs are low heat
7 heat EM3 and TD 1
I'm pretty confident I can do better if:
1- I stop getting tempted with troves
2- optimize my movement to lose less time in transitions
3- take more free rooms (charon shop)
I'm thinking my best possible time would be something with either rama which I don't know what build would work best with it or talos with blade dash aphrodite atk + weakness boosts and maybe demeter special with killing freeze/legendary
Rama with dio special, demeter atk and artemis dash got really bonkers
I also need to remember to use companions
lime jolt
Dont go for a pb with em3 lmao
coral cave
ideal pb heat is EM2 + FO1 or 2
brazen nest
Well, enemies melted elysium forward
lime jolt
I love rama and all but it’s not very fast
brazen nest
It was hitting for 1k+ without crits
lime jolt
The problem is it’s dps
brazen nest
Well, it did get me my best time with non optimal tart and aspho
lime jolt
Nice
brazen nest
Room cleared
I kinda want to get faster by I kinda want to enjoy hauahhahaa going faster usually means I get hyper focused and it gets tiring
But talos, zag bow, rama and zag shield are by faaar my best weapons
It's not even close
lime jolt
Just try eris
brazen nest
I'm so bad with sword, spear and rail
I'm bad at eris
Really
I'll try to get comfortable with it, but ye
lime jolt
Yeah
I got a sub 10 with zero fountain rooms and 1 chaos with eris. I’m not even that fast it’s just that eris is good
Like really good
Also cluster + rocket ftw
brazen nest
Never got cluster
I'm guessing you spammed special and casts?
Eris gives general damage boost right?
flat garden
how does hera's "bloodstone drop time" interact with stygian soul?
dusky drum
how does hera's "bloodstone drop time" interact with stygian soul?
i think it changes the reload time to the time
im not too sure tho, i never use stygian
flat garden
i think it changes the reload time to the time
to the time...?
thats pretty wack if i used a common hera and now my reload time is suddenly 10 seconds long
dusky drum
thats pretty wack if i used a common hera and now my reload time is suddenly 10 ...
like i said idk
its what im guessing
it might just not do anything
lime jolt
how does hera's "bloodstone drop time" interact with stygian soul?
It doesn’t
I don’t think so
spiral badge
I contend that it will still exist
But that it only probably interacts with exit wounds
And is a null value otherwise
I only say that because exit wounds is still in the pool with Stygian equipped
Which tells me something is still happening there
muted canopy
Guys I finally got Blown Kiss
abstract flower
For Beowulf, I usually have Artemis for my strike, Athena for my dash, and Poseidon for my cast. What should I have for my special and call?
muted canopy
And a Greater Recall to top it off, nice
edgy mason
This might be one of the most evil things I have ever put together
Shield Aspect Zeus
spiral badge
You’re off to a good start
edgy mason
Curse of Agony attack Heartbreak flourish for special
Unhealthy fixation
Heart Rend AMD Curse of Longing
shield spin go brrrr half the monsters get charmed and try to kill each other before all dying to doom
edgy mason
cast but I am also getting the one that gives all damage a crit chance
abstract flower
does that unlock heart rend?
edgy mason
although its not really needed
abstract flower
what about pressure point?
edgy mason
also have sweet surrender
spiral badge
PP probably doesn’t
edgy mason
thats what i am trying to get before i get out of elysium
spiral badge
But he has a core to fill that req for him
edgy mason
this actually just came together randomly
spiral badge
Make sure you get marked tarket if you haven’t mike
abstract flower
I just want to try out a shield aspect that's not Chaos, just for some variety.
spiral badge
That and support fire are the only things your missing to be truly Super Sayain
ESP with zeus shield
edgy mason
zeus is nice it creates an area denial
spiral badge
zeus shield is the friggin truth
edgy mason
I also have the one that replaces bull rush with charged shot
I camp in a corner put the spinny sheld out infront to hit anything that runs at me and snipe
spiral badge
If it got the slightest buff it would be in the conversation for best weapon imo
edgy mason
speak of the devil hunters mark
spiral badge
Boomshakalaka
Support fire is a nice benefit but you’ve got the important parts of the trinity now
abstract flower
I might try that build out 🤔
edgy mason
Ares Arte Aphro Threesome !!
abstract flower
and athena dash?
edgy mason
did not see athena at all
too prudish to join in i think but Dio did pop in to watch
oh my god another double boon right at the end of styx temple
Dio and Ares
3 duos and a legendary
Watch hades kill me now
elder gale
Hey, can I get an opinion on a decision?
Wish I could share the screengrab I have...:/
Have an attack speed build on AoZ Sword. Trying to decide if I pick the common attack speed up for a hermes boon, or if I should reroll to get a better attack speed.
spiral badge
I mean if attack speed is what I was after from hermes and I had the roll to spend I’d try it at least once per boon of his
elder gale
Ayyy, rewarded, got 20% over ten
spiral badge
There it is
Might not have gotten it that time, but the game likes to make sure you see at least 2 hermes boons. One roll on two boon chances = 4 opportunities. Not bad odds
stable sigil
Any ideas for a shield run?
honest wing
does demeter's nourished soul affect cursed slash
hearty elbow
It does, but I'm not sure if it does so multiplicatively or additively
elder gale
How should I build Chiron?
elder gale
Ares seems bad, since you can only apply doom once until later.
dusky drum
yea but once you get dire misfortune and impending doom it gets crazy
its one of my fav chiron builds
coarse moss
you could also go doom on attack, dio on special. curse of nausea
elder gale
Gonna do Artemis for crit special.
dusky drum
yea and go for heart rend
elder gale
Okay...Twin Shot, Point Blank Shot, Explosive Shot???
flat garden
just discovered the magic of razor shoals + jolted + sea storm + privileged status
giving PS in one hit is awesome
its super limited though
honest wing
yea really specific but it's magic fr
flat garden
it helped me melt through the heroes in around 20 seconds so yeah i guess it's pretty good
still vortex
I wanna try a hades aspect spear run, what should be my build?
flat garden
get quick spin
still vortex
God boons
robust anchor
art atk
limber cloak
merciful end, because obviously
honest wing
lmao talos special with poseidon on it is hilarious
vital harness
Hey you, come over here! Wait nvm
cloud vault
Hestia bestia
brazen nest
Also the beo run was enlightening, but I'm not confident to even try and play like that
jovial fulcrum
just discovered the magic of razor shoals + jolted + sea storm + privileged stat...
one of my favorite combos.
I once got it with cold fusion 😩
flat garden
one of my favorite combos.
it was so good. melted through daddo
flat garden
whats the best rifle build
eris with zeus on attack and anything that synergises with it is good
rocket bomb is good because it decreases special launch time
flat garden
cluster/triple bomb also makes it even better
willow haven
don't forget delta chamber 
flat garden
one of my favourites is gotta be zeus attack + rocket bomb poseidon special and try to get sea storm
zinc nova
so eris is the best aspect
flat garden
i cant tell you that because ive only ever used eris and lucy
willow haven
yep, speedrun wise best aspect
flat garden
yeah it's perfect for speedruns because it's good at both crowd control and dps
i've seen people use hestia at higher heat though
willow haven
yep, hestia and arthur at high heat because of shackle
bonkers damage
bestia imo very fun aspect
1 hit wonder
brazen nest
I need to properly try eris
flat garden
yes
it's global damage too
not only from your main attacks but also from other boons
zinc nova
dang
flat garden
but it's pretty unpowerful at the start because the base special is so slow to launch
flat garden
75%
fair locust
God
And how do you make it work?
4 seconds isn't a lot
any particular hammers to carry?
flat garden
rocket bomb is a must if you wanna get a quick time
flat garden
it massively speeds up the launch time by making it instant
flat garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/811828324023664680/unknown.png
got my first 32 heat with the rail with eris, i'm pretty proud of this one
fair locust
I maxed hestia hoping for more but I still found it fairly underwhelming
honest wing
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/811828324023664680/u...
eris is so good it made that trash built work
flat garden
hestia can be very powerful too, especially in high heat runs
flat garden
eris is so good it made that trash built work
hey, if it works it's not trash
brazen nest
I always confuse hestia with hera
honest wing
hey, if it works it's not trash
fair enough
flat garden
though i do admit making zeus not on my attack was kind of a failure on my part
but i did pick up SS which made it all the better
flat garden
i wasnt aiming for anything on the special
honest wing
and what hammer did you have, do you remember?
flat garden
i had rocket by tartarus and i just didnt care what i put on the special
flat garden
yeah the crits are amazing
honest wing
I had one run with arte special and zeus attack and cluster rockets
flat garden
but i only had 4 gods on during that run
honest wing
it was only due to my lack of skill that that wasn't my fastest run ever
and I was incrementing heats 1 by 1 so it was at like 8-9 heat
flat garden
poseidon + zeus because i like their duo, athena because i really wanted phalanx lightning that run, and dio just sorta tagged along in late asphodel
honest wing
aight nice nice nicen ice nie nice
odd basalt
wait how does the rocket special work with eris
odd basalt
i had rocket by tartarus and i just didnt care what i put on the special
this rocket that you mentioned
i've always avoided it because i thought it was impossible to absorb so it doesnt work with eris
fair cairn
on Eris? Rocket streamlines the buff process
coral cave
It's easily the best eris hammer
fair cairn
basically makes the buff having infinite uptime
odd basalt
So eris activates when you shoot the rocket?
fair cairn
yep
odd basalt
what
fair cairn
as long as you are caught in the blast
odd basalt
my whole life
coral cave
If an enemy is in front of you and you blast it with the rocket you'll get the buff
Just be close to the explosion and you'll get the buff
odd basalt
thank you so much for opening my eyes, I have actively avoided it even tho it appears almost every eris rail run I've had HAHA I didn't realise it had an aoe that you can get caught in
fair cairn
get rocket, zeus and Eris is basically complete
the rest of the zeus toolset and pressure points are cherry on top
coral cave
Get delta chamber or cluster to make it even better
coral cave
Flurry is also not too bad
fair cairn
I also like tracking on high heat
flat garden
i've always avoided it because i thought it was impossible to absorb so it doesn...
it's kinda clunky if you stand far from the blast location because it's hard to gauge if you actually hit it or not when zooming at 50m/s
which is why it's better stand closer to the blast or to get cluster bomb
willow haven
make sure to be in enemy's face with rocket bomb
meg wanted to talk to me about something urgent but my screen turned black
i missed the dialogue!
now the matter is resolved 
zinc nova
guys chiron bow relentless or piercing volley
zinc nova
400% to armor
cloud vault
Piercing can be good
Takes some skill to use though, piercing is great of you can reliably hit multiple targets
Like tag a distant guy with attack then shoot through a closer one
The armor boost by itself is also good
flat garden
they were using chiron
oh wait i misread your messages mb
it can be good but imo relentless is better
cloud vault
Relentless has this thing where it makes your special take longer to fire
And it's already a slow firing thing
cloud vault
It's not a huge difference but you notice it
serene zealot
I would assume it's because there's more arrows to shoot off
cloud vault
Concentrated is easily best
Relentless has a specific power use IMO on drunken flourish with low tolerance
And when you can couple concentrated with relentless
serene zealot
Wouldn't Relentless be better with Artemis special? Since more hits means more chances to get a crit.
serene zealot
True
flat garden
the special has such a low dps it doesnt really gain much from the crits
now low dps, low damage per hit
cloud vault
Artemis is the best special
zinc nova
does bad influence work on 1 foe or it has to be 3 of them
flat garden
has to be at least 3
jovial fulcrum
that's cheating, heart rend is good on everything.
flat garden
i thought it'd just create a flare of crush shot aoe where it landed
but it didnt which is why i had a hard time adjusting my playstyle
i keep missing with the cast aoe
willow haven
o
lime jolt
Hera trippy shot also fun
wispy mulch
whats the best demeter fist build?
hearty mulch
whats the best demeter fist build?
merciful end
hearty mulch
it aint exactly niche
hearty mulch
not if you do the BEEEEEEG DAMAGE
wispy mulch
And that does what exactly?
hearty mulch
Bonus points if you get Athena Dash
lime jolt
And Athena dash
hearty mulch
Immediately activate Doom effects
lime jolt
You practically need Athena dash for this to work
wispy mulch
Hm interesting
hearty mulch
it does crazy damage
lime jolt
No
hearty mulch
nah
wispy mulch
Constant doom seems OP
wispy mulch
Had a run just now with high special tho
hearty mulch
absolutely
wispy mulch
Absolutely destroyed
hearty mulch
merciful end literally shreds bosses like no tomorrow
wispy mulch
Couldve had a record but i didnt realise it, so didnt optimize for time
Personal one ofc
Ill try some funky doom stuff then next run
hearty mulch
good luck
fair locust
yall ever done dio laser
its funny
dio rama is definetely better
but laser is infinitely more fun
hearty mulch
zeus special rama
fair locust
zeus special rama is beyond broken
fair locust
i tried to avoid it on my last run but my first chamber had a zeus epic special lmao
hearty elbow
@mighty ermine ^ it's happening again what do I do
hearty mulch
run
fair locust
rama special
busted
its like the rail
but it has no downsides
aside from the low base damage
but epic lightning does 3x the base damage at lv 1
the peak of comedy
hearty elbow
I'll make it a point to keep forcing Rama special builds as I climb 50+ to keep the Special fire alive ❤️
hearty elbow
The specialest Rama
lime jolt
That is the only eris thing
cloud vault
Breach
cunning urchin
Heavy Knuckle is fine for ME. Might as well boost that base Attack damage.
But it's not really what you're looking for.
Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper.
Kinetic Launcher is overrated.
opal lodge
kinetic still good
overrated yeah
still good
its not explosive upper though
and also locks you out of explosive
so keep that in mind when picking it
hearty elbow
There is something to be said that Kinetic Launcher doesn't lock you into an animation, which is nice.
lime jolt
Kinetic launcher is just fun
hearty elbow
Yeah no one's arguing that lol.
opal lodge
i think its far and away the second best special hammer
cloud vault
I'd just take Kinetic if it was first hammer
Wouldn't gamble on maybe find g explosive eventually
opal lodge
same
if either of the first two arent offered
ive accidentally taken kinetic over explosive in RTA runs lol
my brain just goes
"oh kinetics good"
and then doesnt read the third option
cloud vault
Imagine having 3 options
tulip pike
Anyone know how blizzard shot works with Beowulf?
tulip pike
Why does it say that you can have flood flare as a requirement then?
cunning urchin
that. That's just a mistake in the codex.
tulip pike
Oof
wispy mulch
Aight yeah i got all the good stuff for ME demeter fists right at the end
And it boosted output by so much
Its really strong yeah
cunning urchin
It's pretty broken.
wispy mulch
Though the game screwed me out of like 15 seconds by just being slow
Like minotaur fight? Took 5 seconds before the fight realised it ended
Bruhh
cunning urchin
Well, actually.
wispy mulch
Yet timer ticked on
cunning urchin
It's broken, but it ain't pretty.
hearty elbow
The struggle is getting Impending Doom + Greatest Reflexes but also having Exploding Launcher. How do you decide how to instantly blow up enemies
cunning urchin
Just hit Special after your last Dash-Strike for the Dash-Upper.
tulip pike
Does anyone know the actual rate at which blade rift effects deal damage?
tulip pike
That's kinda how it feels so seems reasonable
There's some info on certain sites that says everyone 0.1 but it's really old and ik pretty sure it's outdated
serene zealot
0.2 sounds right
tranquil falcon
aight i'll try attack see how it goesz
what non spin hammers are good with hades?
what spin hammers too
i've never done anything other than achilles on spear
robust anchor
the one that does 3 attacks but reduces dash distance
or the exploding special hammer
tranquil falcon
3 choices rn
quick spin
exploding launcher
i'm guessing vicious skewer's trash
tranquil falcon
hm
i know it's probably exploding launcher
but i got epic dash strike from chaos so i'm honestly gonna just try quick spin
is quick spin good
first of all
is it like a viable option
robust anchor
yes it is fine
tranquil falcon
alright
tranquil falcon
NEVER PUNISHED
SERRATED POINT
LETS GOOO
HOLY
WHAT
RARE CROP
HIT ARTEMIS DASH AND ATTACK
literally unlosable
stone escarp
can victory screens go here too? to discuss the supreme synergy
tranquil falcon
sadly no hermes dash
tranquil falcon
can victory screens go here too? to discuss the *supreme synergy*
^
stone escarp
:0
stone escarp
oh
okay now I know
I entered the #h1-high-heat-strategies channel and they're talking in code
I'm scared
does curse of drowning work with Hera??
tranquil falcon
goddamit
i'm doing so much damage
but i only have 200 max hp
no dds left
60 hp
phase 3 time
was serrated jab worth it
nope
rip
didn't get extra dashes
rolled hermes 5 times
sonic ember
okay, damn. explosive upper demeter is actually really good
dusky drum
okay, damn. explosive upper demeter is actually really good
yep
slim lynx
kinetic is still more fun 
sonic ember
100%
i got unluckyand didnt get it
so i ended up doing deadly flourish + heart rend
does it explode with each extra hit of the special?
slim lynx
yeah
tame parcel
Is Boiling blood supposed to not work with the aspect of Posiden?
dusky drum
yea just you probably wont get the buff since you keep dislodging
arctic palm
another good boon from artemis you should always take when offered, support fire