h1-builds-and-combat

[jovial fulcrum]

it'd be a feelsbad if cycle didn't apply to the mirage

[faint sluice]

like when you hear a good song you havent heard in 10 years

[cunning urchin]

Vicious Cycle applies to all bladerifts, that includes Mirage Shot bladerifts.

[honest wing]

dude let's go rnjesus is with my

[coral cave]

The emote is based off of the resident sleeper emote on twitch which is used to signify when something is boring af so I'd think it means something is boring or bad

Could be wrong idk

[honest wing]

eris rail rocket bomb arte special aphro attack and heart rend is my third boon (albeit after several rolls)

[jovial fulcrum]

maybe you're right idk

It's based off a twitch emote, so I assumed it was some sort of hype indication lol

all twitch chat ever does is hype hype hype

[limber cloak]

you are right

[coral cave]

Actually right at something for once

[jovial fulcrum]

darn

totally looks like a gasm face to me lol

[coral cave]

There is a Kreygasm emote

Just need someone to edit and upload it here

[gusty rapids]

just gonna note u cant get this

the two duos are incompatible

[jovial fulcrum]

i forget what the dem/ares one does

whenever i end up in blade rift town, I slap on my arty trinket and try to the beyblade world champ

[willow haven]

[willow haven]

hype is

[jovial fulcrum]

isnt that banned now tho

[willow haven]

yep

is the new pogchamp

[jovial fulcrum]

:pepehands:

[willow haven]

[jovial fulcrum]

Are they done with the "changes every day" thing then?

[willow haven]

i guess yeah

[jovial fulcrum]

one of these days I'll get nitro just so i can use this properly

[willow haven]

meh

[slim lynx]

is there even any reason for them to be incompatible?

[gusty rapids]

the idea i believe is that freezing vortex slows down slicing shot, whereas hunting blades speeds them up

so they kinda conflict

[slim lynx]

if anything they go perfectly, the blades hunt doen enemies and the chill makes it easier to do so

[willow haven]

it speeds the blades up?

[slim lynx]

it slows down the rifts?

[willow haven]

i thought it only follows enemies

[gusty rapids]

freezing vortex does slow down the rifts yes

[slim lynx]

i thought it made them smaller for some reason

[jovial fulcrum]

hunting makes them chase, and it makes them move faster

I think they chop chop at the same speed

[willow haven]

i see

[honest wing]

dude

cluster rockets again

for the third time total

and like streaking with whenever I take eris

[limber cloak]

give me your luck pls

[honest wing]

plus I lost all my DDs but the next room is patty

dude I needed some of it for my exams and stuff but I'm blowing it all on hades

[limber cloak]

everytime i try to go for eris speedruns i get hammers like delta chamber

[honest wing]

let's go aphro legendary

I got aphro on attack

[limber cloak]

aphro attack eris

why

though aphro legendary with that would be pretty insane

[honest wing]

I actually shouldn't have taken ahpro attack lo

that was a mistake

athena attack would have been best

with passion dash and dio call

[willow haven]

i see nothing wrong with this

got a 10 minute run with that and ricochet

[rapid storm]

I love it that i have 11 nectar but cant fight meg, it always gives me tisiphone or alecto

[limber cloak]

Delta is a huge dps loss imo

Something like flurry fire is much better

[lost harness]

hello

im new to the game

where can i read about the i-frames in dodges and deflects ?

[jovial fulcrum]

wiki? not sure tbh

[drifting robin]

All i know is that you can dodge projectiles by dashing through them

[lost harness]

yes

during the dash animation

there are frames in which you cant take damage

thus why you can dash through projectiles without taking damage

if you know where in the animation these frames are located

you can understand better dodge timings

so im looking for this info rn

[drifting robin]

That’s how i dodge the final boss shockwaves

As well as lernie projectiles

[hearty mulch]

I dodge them by dashing straight into them and forgetting I don't have Divine Dash when it hits me

Zeus Shield Doom Build

Thoughts?

[robust anchor]

doom special and athena atk and ME pogu

[worthy crane]

mild spoilers lol: ||YEEE I BEAT CHARON FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH RAMA BOW!! i got lucky bc I always seem to fight him in Tartarus but I fought him in elysuim and had more boons and upgrades||

[hearty mulch]

IIRC you can't use Attack while Blitz Disc is active. So while Athena Attack would be necessary for such a build, it'd only work well with Athena Dash, Cast or Aid

[robust anchor]

while the special is flying about and spinning you are unable to attack?

[proven osprey]

You can attack

[tulip pike]

No you can use attack while it's active

[proven osprey]

Merciful End is indeed powerful with Zeus shield

[hearty mulch]

Wait... You can??? But the shield is spinning away from you...

[robust anchor]

i see

[hearty mulch]

glares at Varatha Why can't I use you when you're on the ground, huh????

[proven osprey]

You can bullrush too

[ember mica]

How can I get through Styx without getting hit by everything? There’s so much going on that I always end up losing at least one death defiance, and it’s even worse with physical builds for me

[lost swan]

i never really use the rail but i kinda wanna so asking for like what boons could i go for a rail special?? i want to just spam my special and do nothign else for an entire run

[proven osprey]

High damage boons such as Aphrodite's and Artemis'

[proven osprey]

Mainly knowledge of the enemies, ie which one can poison and their general behavior. Spot the fountains as early as possible, be careful of traps.

Melee can be tough against rats, I agree. You'll have to be aggressive tho, or it's gonna get worse

[upbeat gyro]

im about to try aspect of zeus for the first time, any tips?

[tame bison]

Put Zeus on special. Win.

[mellow jetty]

Merciful end with doom on special is great too

I find that playing zeus shield is all about managing the knockback on your attack - trying to knock enemies into your special rather than out of it

Pulverizing blow is always good but imo gets really good bc of this

And empowering flight is just crazy good too because your special has a lot of uptime

[bright fossil]

Best build of Zeus aspect? Zeus special?

[cosmic lily]

Anyone else find it weird that with ||aspect of bewulf|| and only that aspect you have to do a normal attack before charging bull rush

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish + Tempest Strike is really good.

[bright fossil]

Go full Zeus with Athena dash?

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish is very strong, too.

[bright fossil]

Wait you actually use the attack?

I thought i just run around

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike + Thunder Flourish with any Call but Artemis' Aid for Smoldering Air.

[cosmic lily]

I personaly prefer using the posideon attack boon to knock people into the thrown sheild

[bright fossil]

Also Beowulf cast Poseidon doesn't proc Seastorm properly

Is that a feature or a bug?

It proc on the auto

Not the cast

[cosmic lily]

Yes when the sheild is thrown with aspect of zeus you can still attack

[cunning urchin]

@turbid needle is the top Zeus Aspect player. You could watch some of his runs on the speedrun leaderboard or the high heat leaderboard to see what's possible with the aspect.

[cunning urchin]

That's by design. It doesn't proc Sea Storm.

[cosmic lily]

What is sea storm?

[bright fossil]

What a shame then

[cosmic lily]

I dont think i have ever seen that

I dont use posideon boons much

[cunning urchin]

Sea Storm is a Duo Boon from Lord Zeus and Poseidon.

[bright fossil]

Posei+Zeus

[cosmic lily]

Ah

But what is the effect of it?

[cunning urchin]

40 lightning damage for every hit that knocks back.

[cosmic lily]

Ah

That sounds realy meh

[cunning urchin]

It's really good.

It can proc all the lightning bolt effects that you have like Jolted.

[cosmic lily]

Ah

I tend to focus on survivability over damage

[cunning urchin]

All of the Duo and Legendary Boons are really good. Some are more situational than others.

[cosmic lily]

Yeah the ones i get all the time arnt very helpfull imo

[cunning urchin]

Hmm DPS is survivability in Hades.

[cosmic lily]

Oh when i mean survivabilty i mean stuff like damage reduction, better healing, and statuses

Where i can avoid being hurt and regain health as easily as possible

Also my favorite legendary boon is easily posideon's

The duo boons i constantly get are the healing when out of death defies and god gauge regen but caped at 1/4 ones

Which just dont seem helpfull

[upbeat gyro]

hey question — ive been playing with god mode for a bit and have reached a point where im clearing pretty consistently and not using any DD's and think i might be ready to turn it off. i thought i heard somewhere that by turning it off, itll reset my victory streak. is that true?

[cunning urchin]

I've heard the same fwiw, but I've no personal experience with God Mode.

[cunning urchin]

Smoldering Air (the second one) is easily one of the very best boons in the game.

[opal lodge]

plus very good access to second wind

one of the best survivability boons in the game

[cosmic lily]

I do not care for it especialy with what call's i tend to use

[cunning urchin]

Smoldering Air by itself is already excellent for survivability because any Call gives i-frames upon activation, and Smoldering Air lets you use a Call every 5 seconds for free and even faster if you build God Gauge with your Attack.

The only Call that doesn't have synergy with Smoldering Air is Artemis' Aid.

[still vortex]

Artemis wants max gauge

[slim lynx]

aphro's call actually synergizes well with smouldering in the case of normal encounters where you can just spam it to charm everyone

not so much for bosses though

[cunning urchin]

It makes boss fights super safe.

[slim lynx]

in that case you might as well use athena's aid instead

[robust anchor]

boss stop fighting u to give a big warm hug

[cunning urchin]

But Athena's Aid can't charm in normal encounters lol.

It's also really good.

It's not like you'd avoid either when you see them.

[tranquil falcon]

just had a god run

with poseidon cast

if i had duo instead of epic then i would have gotten so many more insane boons

i had the potential to get hermes legendary, zeus legendary, poseidon legendary, AND artemis legendary

as well as lightning rod

i already got sea storm and mirage shot in the run

4 legendaries would have been a sight

[drifting robin]

Yeah I had smoldering air +Lucifer +clouded judgment with aphros call and the hades fight was just him running into pillars

Also 30% hermes attack speed I believe

It was an epic attack speed from hermes

[rapid storm]

Ee i need 1 more titan blood then i can get arthur aspect

[rare kindle]

I had a run with hades spear that I lost but think I could’ve won if I had just been offered another hammer

For all of Tartarus, the only hammers were in shops, and no hammers showed up in asphodel

I did get a hammer in elysium but only one, and in Styx, no hammers were on the doors but I did get offered an anvil I didn’t take

[honest wing]

F

you would really want some of the spin hammers

quick is good

idk about flaring tho

[rare kindle]

I took massive spin but massive spin with no other hammers is a little slow

[honest wing]

that's true

should I go for special damage on zeus shield

special damage from chaos

[cunning urchin]

I think Attack over Special, but yeah, you should take it when you see it.

Special over Attack if you have Deadly Flourish.

[opal lodge]

yeah just really boon dependent

[cunning urchin]

Also hammer dependent.

[faint sluice]

I SHAVED A MINUTE OFF MY PREVIOUS RECORD

[cunning urchin]

Nice! Congratulations!

[faint sluice]

wait why wont the image load

oh wait wrong channel

[cunning urchin]

You can only upload images in #h1-victory-boasting.

lol

[faint sluice]

oops

[obtuse narwhal]

is it just me or does posiedon and demeter just not feel that great

compared to the other gods

[reef jay]

demeters boon that makes you chill enemies with attack is OP in my opinion

[jolly folio]

What do you guys prefer to user? Privileged status or family favorite?

use*

[terse mist]

family favorite generally

[jolly folio]

Hmm I see

[patent pewter]

p status ain't bad if you can get the 2 curses quickly on everyone

[coral cave]

FF is more reliable than PS imo

[jolly folio]

Another question, abou the privileged status. Other than chill, weak and hangover, are there other curses or thats all?

[terse mist]

exposed

[coral cave]

Jolted, doom, marked

[terse mist]

^^

[coral cave]

Rupture

[jolly folio]

I see, okay got it

But FF is more efficient right?

[terse mist]

generally

ps works really well with certain duo boons

[jolly folio]

What about god's pride or god's legacy

[terse mist]

like dio and ares or aphro and dio

[patent pewter]

especially when you can't get curses or need to purge boons at high heats

[jolly folio]

Yea, tried the dio and ares duo boons. thats fun to play

[terse mist]

gp and gl are about even for me

[coral cave]

CoL works great with PS

Get empty inside and you're gucci

[jolly folio]

Okay got it

Thanks!

[manic willow]

Any tips for chaos shield?

[reef jay]

if you dont upgrade it it is not good i think

[manic willow]

Ah ok

[reef jay]

also there is a hammer upgrade that makes your bull rush faster try to get that

[manic willow]

Ok sounds good

[honest wing]

damn doing infernal soul after a while and getting all the +1 cast chaos

I have 4 already

I just started elysium I will most probably able to get the arte legendary, should I go for cast damage or more casts

I also have flurry cast

you know more cast means more damage plus more exit wounds damage so yea

[honest wing]

I dont have a single cast duo boon but I'm doing pretty well with 6 casts and flurry cast

[reef jay]

god tier cast

6 cast

there is a duo boon of ares and artemis makes the blade rift cast seek enemies that is also a god tier cast

[jovial fulcrum]

I had a run the other day where it seemed like Marked Target was proccing it too

[cunning urchin]

Yes, it does.

All of the status curses listed here. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses

[honest wing]

every god has a status curse

some are more unreliable than others

ares demeter dio aphro get there's on the tier 1 boons on every attack

zeus poseidon get it on tier 2 boons

artemis gets it on a tier 2 boons sometimes

[flat garden]

poseidon and artemis have one t2 boon that inflicts a curse

[honest wing]

yea

[flat garden]

i died to a phase 1 hades in a talentless run just now

i rely on the mirror too much

[honest wing]

it is pretty helpful

dashes and helth are something I'd really need

the rest are just add ons

[flat garden]

i pretty much relied on triple+rockets for dps

and scint feast

i miss stygian soul so much

[jovial fulcrum]

You don't realize how good rerolls are until you don't have them anymore

[honest wing]

yea

no rerolls + AP2

[flat garden]

tfw no keys in tartarus

[honest wing]

RNGesus take the game

[flat garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/624746351204237314/810793327891841024/unknown.png

probably my most optimised build without rerolls

zeus attack for room clearing and triple rocket aphro for bosses

[cunning urchin]

Ironically, there was some discussion earlier in #h1-high-heat-strategies about Triple Bomb and Rocket Bomb on their own being better than in combination.

[flat garden]

the other hammers on choice wasnt that much better

which is why i took triple

it's basically reloading your special faster

and it is pretty bad yeah

wish i couldve gotten cluster instead

[cunning urchin]

I don't play Eris enough to have an opinion really on Triple Rockets. I know Cluster Rockets is generally considered the best combo you can get.

[honest wing]

I've played triple rockets eris

it wasn't that bad

idk how it fair in high heats tho

[coral cave]

Triple rockets eris is p good

[flat garden]

it certainly is better than JUST rockets, but cluster rockets is definitely better

[coral cave]

Did a run with it just now

[cunning urchin]

Pretty sure I've played it, just not enough to have an opinion on it.

[coral cave]

I did die tho

Buy mostly because it was my first game in like a month

[cunning urchin]

So we have confirmation of one win and one death with Triple Rockets.

Means there's a 50% chance your run will succeed if you get those two hammers.

[coral cave]

Yes

[honest wing]

mafs

[flat garden]

statistical inference 101

[coral cave]

Statistiks

[honest wing]

https://tenor.com/brAw7.gif

[cunning urchin]

Maybe it was the order of the hammers. Maybe one of you picked up Triple Bomb first and the other Rocket Bomb.

[honest wing]

I'm pretty sure I picked up rocket first

[cunning urchin]

That would prove causality.

[flat garden]

hey wait a minute, i died with triple rockets. that means theres' a 33% chance of it being a winning strat

[cunning urchin]

No, that's just an outlier. We can't count that.

[honest wing]

we should all try to do triple rockets right now on the same heat and try to achieve the same build

server wide event

tries to go for triple rockets, first hammer is hazard bomb

[flat garden]

what if hazard and cluster was compatible

dear god

[coral cave]

Next month's monthly challenge

[honest wing]

oh god

[coral cave]

Triple rockets only

[honest wing]

hazard triple cluster rockets

[cunning urchin]

What if, hear me out, what if Triple Rockets simultaneously guarantees your run will succeed and that your run will fail.

[honest wing]

dude just triple and cluster together destroy

[cunning urchin]

And that is why we are getting conflicting reports.

[honest wing]

shroedingers triple rockets

[coral cave]

The tri-rocket paradox

[flat garden]

schrödinger's triple rockets

ninja'd

[coral cave]

The run is dead and alive at the same time

[honest wing]

https://tenor.com/VBHt.gif

[flat garden]

i feel naked without high confidence. what's the point of not getting hit if i dont get that sweet sweet extra damage.

[cunning urchin]

And that is why ...\Saved Games\Hades contains both a save from back in the House and a save from mid-run.

Simultaneously.

[honest wing]

huh

[honest wing]

I feel naked starting at 50 helth

[coral cave]

I feel naked just in general

I should really put on some pants huh

[honest wing]

damn

I think we should get rid of pants altogether

pants are a social construct

[coral cave]

What about shirts

[flat garden]

i mean zag doesnt wear one

[honest wing]

shirts go with pants

[cloud void]

Pants are just shirts for your legs.

[honest wing]

that is the biggest brain thing I've ever heard

[neon bramble]

I have become aware that Zeus aspect shield with Zeus flourish is far more powerful than I gave it credit for 😂

High voltage + double strike and splitting bolt made that one helluva fun run

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Zeus is super strong.

[neon bramble]

Oh for sure... I just never gave that aspect of shield much time

Always found it cumbersome

Love Zeus as a boon though

[cunning urchin]

Top 4 aspects imo are Rama, Hestia, Eris, and Zeus.

[neon bramble]

I had charged shot with Poseidon on attack... Just kept punting everyone into the frisbee

[cunning urchin]

Top 5 would include Flurry Jab as an aspect.

[flat garden]

hestia? really?

i havent used it, but i didnt think it would be that good

how do you build around it

[jovial fulcrum]

wtf is this luck.
Just getting handed Zeus and Aphro in tartarus after starting w/ Phalanx Shot achilles spear

[cunning urchin]

Shackle, Heartbreak Strike, or Deadly Strike. That's all you need.

[jovial fulcrum]

with flurry jab lightning strike to boot

[cunning urchin]

51 Heat boonless has been completed both with Rama and with Hestia. They're top tier because they don't need builds.

[nocturne pivot]

I didn't even know boonless was possible let alone on 51 heat lol

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, we have a boonless, a mirrorless, and a boonless + mirrorless category on the high heat leaderboard.

[nocturne pivot]

Isnt mirrorless just that one heat option tho?

[willow haven]

no

[honest wing]

dude boonlees and mirrorless holy

[cunning urchin]

The mirrorless leaderboard category is highest heat that includes Routine Inspection 4.

[willow haven]

^ that's 8 heat or something

[cunning urchin]

RI4 is 8 Heat, yes.

High heat leaderboard starts at 32, anyway, that includes those categories. Any submissions below 32 are filtered out.

[willow haven]

[nocturne pivot]

Start at skelly statue 3...

Man

[proven osprey]

the 8 most free heat in the game

[willow haven]

https://i.imgur.com/d7k8PDj.png

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's why it's high Heat.

[willow haven]

heat

< people on high heat leader boards

[coral cave]

i have never touched anything above 32 because i am afraid

[nocturne pivot]

Is there anything for competitive low heat outside of like beat the game on escape attempt 1

[coral cave]

its called any%

[willow haven]

fresh file

[nocturne pivot]

No I meant not fresh file

[coral cave]

fresh file to credits

[willow haven]

most speedruns are any heat speedruns

or are you asking something challenging for yourself?

[nocturne pivot]

Little of both lol

[coral cave]

hades spear special only any heat

[cunning urchin]

I post 1-2 Hades Monthly Challenges every month here in this channel. I actually posted one just yesterday on Valentine's Day with a special video message from the voice of Lady Aphrodite herself. You can find it in the pinned messages.

[willow haven]

depends on you tbh, experiment with the heat settings a bit

[nocturne pivot]

I've tried that with zag spear and mainly only special and like I think I don't know how to optimize/got bad hammers cause I was doing no damage

[willow haven]

but generally, hard labour(100%), lasting consequences(75%), em2 and tight deadline(7 or 5)

[cunning urchin]

The Hades Monthly Challenges are intended to be accessible, and we sometimes add an optional Extra Challenge for the more daring or experienced players.

[willow haven]

zag spear is

at least for me

[cunning urchin]

You can also still submit runs for challenges from previous months.

[nocturne pivot]

I do really like the monthly challenges honestly but not this one cause the ping someone part tho I know it's optional lol

[willow haven]

kinda agree with you on that

[proven osprey]

[willow haven]

it isn't really a challenge imho

[nocturne pivot]

I like zag spear cause special is 15% faster and stronger

[coral cave]

you can dedicate a run to yourself then ping yourself

[willow haven]

my man

[willow haven]

idk special oriented builds tend to move towards guan yu

[nocturne pivot]

I prefer hammer rocket spears over guan yu cause I don't like guan to attack spread

[proven osprey]

25% bonus on a 25 base damage

[willow haven]

you don't attack with guan yu

it takes a year to finish the attack sequence

[nocturne pivot]

That's how then maybe

[coral cave]

huh

[nocturne pivot]

But low health tempts me to spin

[willow haven]

[coral cave]

if you run guan yu HC and get the chaos curse that reduces your max health is the curse capped at -24 health

[nocturne pivot]

Guan yu is like a dress, it goes spinny

[jovial fulcrum]

Damn, this is a toughy.
Billowing Strength
Splitting Bolt
Storm Lightning.

strength for sure

[coral cave]

i see orange i take orange

[honest wing]

why would you not take the legendary

is the legendary bad

[coral cave]

monkey brain see orange go ooh ooh aah aah

[honest wing]

monke

[jovial fulcrum]

I mean, Billowing is really good with Smoldering Air

[honest wing]

yes that's true

[coral cave]

but orange

[jovial fulcrum]

too late

[coral cave]

anger

[willow haven]

orang

[proven osprey]

orange good

[willow haven]

why even ask

[proven osprey]

Billowing strength is really good though.

[jovial fulcrum]

because orange

idk

even the storm lightning is a consideration, because flurry/triple jab w/ zeus attack

[proven osprey]

I would have taken splitting bolt if my main dps was from the lightning tho

[jovial fulcrum]

its mostly lvl 4 phalanx shot

with chaos grasp and parting shot

[honest wing]

wait if you're getting storm lightning and splitting bolt as an option that means

you have thunder flourish/zeus aid

and eletric shot/eletric strike

[jovial fulcrum]

Thunder Strike/Zeus aid

[honest wing]

nope

strike is the chain lightning

flourish and aid are the lightning from heaven

[jovial fulcrum]

Zeus Attack, Zeus Aid

[honest wing]

yea

ok

got it

my bad

[jovial fulcrum]

Aphro Special, Athena Cast, Athena Dash

I might have another chance at it, 2 zeuses in styx

[honest wing]

nice

[jovial fulcrum]

lightning phalanx off the athena pog

what a run

[proven osprey]

when is the next discord plays Hades tho

been a while

[willow haven]

[jovial fulcrum]

Up Joystick!
Hold!
Mash X!

[coral cave]

patiently waiting for chat plays hades episode 5

[proven osprey]

be sure to ping me when it happens

[coral cave]

bet

[slim lynx]

hades twitch integration when

[devout bloom]

I need to stop dying to The bull and guy combo

I haven't memorized their names yet lol

[fair locust]

theseus and asterius

some builds fare better than others

but aside from the final boss theyre pretty much the hardest in the game

styx can be awful for melee builds though

[coral cave]

not if you kill everything fast enough

[hearty mulch]

just get poseidon dash for melee builds 6head

[willow haven]

it's the opposite for me

styx absolutely thrashes me with rail or bow

[hearty mulch]

I'm bad at Styx with a non-Hera Bow aspect

[willow haven]

chiron doesn't work in styx

i learned it the hard way

[hearty mulch]

Lol same

[willow haven]

then paper told me to go pos dash

now i go pos dash every time i have a ranged build

along with breaking wave(?)

[hearty mulch]

Poseidon Dash probably the second best dash in the game

[flat garden]

the answer to having trouble with styx is poseidon dash

[willow haven]

^

[hearty mulch]

Absolutely

[flat garden]

its always poseidon dash

if asphodel wasnt so open i'd say its the best dash in the game

[hearty mulch]

It also competes with Athena Dash

[willow haven]

i tortured myself last run by going pos attack on zag sword

XD

[hearty mulch]

Literally the most versatile thing in the game

[hearty mulch]

wha

why

[willow haven]

the thrust was sending enemies 2 screens away

XD

[hearty mulch]

did you at least go Sea Storm?

[willow haven]

i didn't get it man

i didn't even get breaking wave

[hearty mulch]

F

[flat garden]

you should go for max movement speed on zag sword

i tried it and it severely messed up my rhythm

[willow haven]

i couldn't get that either from hermes

[flat garden]

but it was very fun.

[willow haven]

it was such a run

at least watching enemies fly was fun

[hearty mulch]

Zag Sword is fun for LE NYOOOOOOOOM

[willow haven]

zooooooomies

[hearty mulch]

Especially with Lambent Plume and the other Hermes boons for increased evasions

[willow haven]

it was doing like 50 damage or something per attack

[hearty mulch]

F

[willow haven]

i could only finish the run because of athena ult

it was so bad

[hearty mulch]

remember:

if you are in a tight spot

and have to fight hades

just run away

[willow haven]

you mean give up?

i usually do that when i find my damage lack luster but i continued it for some reason this time

[cloud vault]

Does rush delivery count Zag sword movement bonus?

[hearty mulch]

Nah, I mean just run away, keep your distance, and take the occasional potshot when you know it's safe

[hearty mulch]

I think so

[slim lynx]

literally just get divine dash

[hearty mulch]

Ath Dash or Pos Dash are both viable for Styx

Depends what you're going for, really.

You want ME or Sea Storm?

[jovial fulcrum]

holy crap this run

I have

Epic Dio aid

Curse of Naus
Smoldering Air
Low Tolerance

mfw

this is sick

and second wind??? ahhhh

[drifting robin]

What weapon?

[jovial fulcrum]

Chiron

While also just casually having Concentrated Volley and Relentless Volley

[brazen nest]

Morning guys

Question, say I have ice wine duo can I still get scintillating feast? Considering both affects cast

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[brazen nest]

Oh, Nice, I'll try to get super festive fog then

[cunning urchin]

But it doesn't work for Crystal Clarity and Cold Embrace nor Hunting Blades and Freezing Vortex.

[brazen nest]

Ok. Thanks.

Also cold embrace is ehhhhhhh

[cunning urchin]

Nor Curse of Drowning and Blizzard.

I think Cold Embrace is really fun.

[drifting robin]

Ice wine and scint are extremely fun to use

[jovial fulcrum]

yoooo, and now vengeful mood??? this run lol

[brazen nest]

I'm thinking of trying guan yu

[hearty mulch]

Here's my tips for it:
-Max it all the way. Base GY makes you have glass bones and paper skin.
-Get the spin hammers for it. Faster charge in particular makes it actually worthwhile.

[sonic ember]

easiest guna yu is deadly flourish

spam special

[jovial fulcrum]

knowing when you do and dont have time to charge up a spin is really important

[brazen nest]

I have enough to max it, I'll keep that in mind

[jovial fulcrum]

idk if you've played with it at all, but the spin is like a blade rift, not the normal spin the spear has

[brazen nest]

Ye, I messed with it for a bit

[sonic ember]

having sturdy, massive spin or quick spin mitigates the risk for having to charge attack so much

speaking of.. how good is Hades spear?

[drifting robin]

You don’t need to max it(my first gy escape was at lvl.1), but if you are struggling definitely level it up

[hearty mulch]

Fair enough

[drifting robin]

And dont spin unless enemies are spawning

Try and prioritize charged skewer

[brazen nest]

or they're butterflies

charged skewer deals some absurd dmg right?

[drifting robin]

Yes

Especially with deadly flourish

[drifting robin]

I still wouldn’t do that unless butterflies haven’t spawned

Because the healing you get won’t make up for the butterfly damage

[brazen nest]

oh

[drifting robin]

The gy spin is a big trap

[brazen nest]

i see

i'll try and have fun with it

[drifting robin]

Yeah spin is good against lernie as well

[hearty mulch]

Lernie does melt easily to GY spin

[drifting robin]

Not just melt but heal

I feel the healing is better

But if you are using gy right you shouldn’t be getting hit

[proven osprey]

The spin is indeed free while Lernie is phasing

You can get a high amount of damage that way

The damage from the spin is amazing, even without a boon on it (until later biomes of course)

[sonic ember]

You can melt through lernie with GY

i think i had lightning flourish with pressure points

it was great

[honest wing]

I once did bouncy skewer with lightning flourish

it was fun

[proven osprey]

Don't do thunder flourish on Guan yu please

[sonic ember]

oh not thunder flourish

thunder strike

forgot spin is not a special

[proven osprey]

It's not the best for spinning

But the attack is really good anyway

[sand mirage]

why Achilles spear vs hades spear

[hearty mulch]

Depends what your playstyle is for either or

[sonic ember]

it was doing wonders for me

[hoary trail]

Achilles spear is epik

[sonic ember]

hades spear is kind of limiting

quick spin and it probably will work

Achilles is more versatile i think

[tranquil falcon]

is beowulf 10% additive or multiplicative

like if i have beowulf and 100% hard labour

will i take 10% extra or 20% extra

[hearty mulch]

Additive

Percentages interacting with percentages are typically additive

[jovial fulcrum]

the achilles bull rush is just clunky for me personally.
I'm starting to get used to it, but I still accidentally recall instead of rush a lot

[stable sigil]

How do you recall the achilles spear

[jovial fulcrum]

with attack

[tranquil falcon]

click

attack

yeah

[stable sigil]

Oh yeah

Forgot that attack button could recall

Achilles is one of those weapons like eris or nemesis that feel pretty trash until you put some blood into them

[jovial fulcrum]

Nemesis didn't feel weak when i ran it at lvl 1

but, like, I did heart rend

[stable sigil]

Bad example on my part

Uhhhh Demeter fists

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, Nemesis is a pretty good payoff when you unlock it, at least vs. Zag

[stable sigil]

I remember watching the WR speedrun (an Eris run) and being super confused, and then getting it to max level and being like "oh"

[sonic ember]

Achilles is always good, just gets better

[tranquil falcon]

i mean 50% vs 150% is a big difference

[drifting robin]

I’m biased to hades but everyone else says achilles is better

[stable sigil]

I like hades more, but i recognize that achilles is probably more meta

[sonic ember]

damage buff for achilles is nutty

i like it cuz of cast builds

[tranquil falcon]

yeah

150% is insane for cast builds

[drifting robin]

The damage increase is the same lol

Oh for casts you mean

Yeah

[hearty mulch]

Yeah, Cast Achilles is great

[tranquil falcon]

tfw 400 damage casts room 1

[stable sigil]

It is pretty spicy

[hearty mulch]

Especially with Zeus cast. Special allows you to pick up casts EZ

[tranquil falcon]

^

[sonic ember]

one's a lot quicker and more universal and the other you're gonna have to be patient to make it really work

[tranquil falcon]

plus one of the main things i feel like zeus is lacking is damage

[drifting robin]

Eh

Spins go boom

[jovial fulcrum]

i had a nutty Lightning Phalanx run earlier with achilles spear, and mine is only to 75%

[stable sigil]

Oh that sounds incredibly fun

Pinball

[tranquil falcon]

bro i was getting the phalanx to do 400 damage

[sonic ember]

Phalanx shot with achilles is nutt6

[drifting robin]

For cast builds i like hera and beowulf so much more

[tranquil falcon]

literally right out of the gae

gate

room 1

400 damage

[drifting robin]

But hunting blades achilles is nutty

[sonic ember]

does the boon from zeus that increases the number of lightning bounces affect lightning phalanx?

[stable sigil]

I feel like it should?

[jovial fulcrum]

I couldn't tell.
Everything died before it bounced that many times tbh

[sonic ember]

phalanx shot isnt exactly lightning

[stable sigil]

It's not not lightning

[drifting robin]

Hera bow plus phalanx is fun

[tranquil falcon]

phalanx is just fun

[sonic ember]

Hunting blades + artemis duo

ooo boy

[drifting robin]

Yeah that is the arty duo

[sonic ember]

oh

lmao

[drifting robin]

With arty legendary oh boy

[sonic ember]

fair nuff

[drifting robin]

And stygian

I love it

Casts build in general are fun

[stable sigil]

I have never had luck with hunting blades

And i have tried

[drifting robin]

Meme beam is also great

I’m gonna try and get mirage shot with hunting blades

[sonic ember]

yeah crystal beam is pretty good

i tried to do hunting blades with mirage shot but

didnt happen

it was already too good but i wanted the greed

[drifting robin]

greed

[sonic ember]

my luck with builds is awful lol

[brazen nest]

Tiny vermin gave me more trouble than theseus with GY

Skelly and acorn help a lot lol

[sonic ember]

yeah it just takes a while

if you have deadly flourish you can do some work against it

[brazen nest]

I'm at hades

2 DD one full bar

I have no deadly strike cause I wanted demeter ares duo

[sonic ember]

easy! good luck

[brazen nest]

But ares was a prick didn't give me slicing shot until the last boon

Hades second phase almost got me

GY is my best spear by far for now

The spin atk is not as bad as I thought

Charged skewer did help tho, it appeared in the first room

[proven osprey]

lmao

Not surprised you like it then

charged skewer is the hammer on Guan Yu

[brazen nest]

But I liked the move set and play style

Spin move if used correctly is good

[jovial fulcrum]

+200% fireworks rocket does sound nutty

[fading nova]

ok build question bcz i keep finding myself stumped every time i make it far in a run :: what iz like...the best build for the Aspect of Achilles spear in the ||Hades|| fight

[drifting robin]

There is no definite answer

Maybe electric shot

[fading nova]

like does it just rely on the kind of boons you collect

yeah zeus n poseidon's boons are REALLY good i love picking them up whenever i can

[drifting robin]

Hunting blades is also safe

Just let it do the work

[fading nova]

pog

[brazen nest]

Using demeter legendary against bosses is so fun

[proven osprey]

I remind you that there's an awesome challenge going on at the moment, check the pins

[slim lynx]

who do i dedicate it do

i could try 40 heat and dedicating it to the god gamer™️

main issue is actually doing it

[proven osprey]

to someone special, of course

[tranquil falcon]

here's a thought

curse of longing rama

[slim lynx]

it could work well

oh wait no

[stable sigil]

At first i thought "that sounds bad" and then i realized that ares would be on special and aphro would be on attack

Sounds like it could work

[bronze sorrel]

Curse of Longing with Dire Misfortune has a very similar problem to Hangover stacks in terms of the internal logic. Curse of Longing keeps putting a progressively lower damage doom effect on. Then you hit it with dire misfortune and reset the base doom damage to that plus X damage from Dire Misfortune, and then Curse of Longing keeps halfing it, so you actually do less damage. In other words you actually loose damage.

Put Athena is on attack and Ares on special and you could have a Merciful End build though. Really break that metagame!

[slim lynx]

best part is that sort of build actually works well since divine strike adds % to your attack

[bronze sorrel]

Merciful End is a fair and balanced boon with no exploits. Merciful End is a fair and balanced boon with no exploits. Merciful End is a fair and balanced boon with no exploits. Merciful End is a fair and balanced boon with no exploits.

[slim lynx]

you tell yourself that and then someone just so happens to get divine dash with merciful end

guess what happens next

[bronze sorrel]

That never happens though.

[slim lynx]

or does it?

[jovial fulcrum]

Yeah, you have to get the athena legendary to really make it work unfortunately

and even then there's a cooldown on when you can burst damage

[bronze sorrel]

I'm calling false on needing Divine Protection.

[jovial fulcrum]

you may not like it, but that's just what peak ME performance looks like

[tame bison]

Huh? Athena legendary for ME? No.

[tranquil falcon]

oh, didn't know that lol

[tranquil falcon]

yes it does

lol

i've done many a ME gilgamesh build

[bronze sorrel]

Well thats just called "coping with Gilgamesh"

[tranquil falcon]

lmao

[jovial fulcrum]

r/woosh

[tranquil falcon]

wdym athena legendary is the only way to play ME

[bronze sorrel]

I think Appa is trying to make a joke

Much like blizzard shot, sometimes jokes just wiff.

[hearty mulch]

Hey! I'll have you know I actively use Blizzard Shot and only miss, like, 75% of the time!

[jovial fulcrum]

wait so you weren't joking with this then?

I thought we were being butts lol

[slim lynx]

blizzard shot is the only time talos is a viable cast build weapon

and it's not even meant for cast builds

[bronze sorrel]

I was joking, I'm just unclear where you were going with yours lol

[jovial fulcrum]

in the same vein.
Divine dash is a myth, so you have to depend on other stuff for ME

[bronze sorrel]

Is this meant as serious, cause Curse of Drowning can very much be used for a viable Talos build.

[jovial fulcrum]

doesn't talos just have, like, cast damage as one of its effects?
I don't remember rightly, tbh

[bronze sorrel]

Divine Protection doesn't interact though? Look I'm sure it was hilarious, but like I said, sometimes they wiff.

[jovial fulcrum]

I mean, I guess I wouldn't know if it interacted or not

Never actually had it in an ME build

[bronze sorrel]

Talos debuff effects attack and cast, yes, but only for the debuffed target (similar to hades spear debuff).

[spiral badge]

Aphro cast is also great with talos

[slim lynx]

you know what's great with talos?

[bronze sorrel]

I've heard that, but never actually made it work. I'm terrible at dash upper cancels and by extension fists in general and especially Talis though.

[slim lynx]

tempest flourish

[spiral badge]

especially because the magnet can be cancelled into cast when using the dash upper. Drag them in and feed them 3 rounds to the dome. Follow that up with the uppercut input to complete the cycle and reset your magnet ability

Not many ordinary enemies live through that

The ones that do don’t have much left to say about it

[stable sigil]

Every weapon has a cast aspect (in a way)

Either a boost to cast damage/unique cast effect or an overall damage boost that affects cast

[spiral badge]

I basically never stop dashing when using fists so it’s particularly rewarding for me. I actually had to sit down and learn that magnet cancelling doesn’t work for the standard special because I had only ever dash uppered until then lol

[bronze sorrel]

Ehhhh, Cast build Eris is pretty iffy though

[stable sigil]

Oh yeah, it is

But it's the best option if you want to cast+gun

[bronze sorrel]

Ya, thats why you just don't do cast gun.

[hearty mulch]

cast gun
...Why?

The whole point of Casts is to act as a ranged option

Or something more flexible if using Bow

[stable sigil]

Lol true

[bronze sorrel]

Honestly, aside from Hera, I never use cast on bow except as a prereq for other boons.

[hearty mulch]

I only ever use Cast for Boiling Blood on Bows

[spiral badge]

I like posiedon cast on bow as a nice get off me

But beyond that it’s just more ranged damage

[bronze sorrel]

Maybe electric shot on Zag bow for clearing small mobs.

[stable sigil]

I'm not saying eris cast is good, i'm saying it is a semi-okay cast run

[jovial fulcrum]

i mean, at that point just get posiden dash if that's what you use the cast for

[spiral badge]

Hmmmm with zag I’d say screw it and take arty cast

Crits for the crit god

[brazen nest]

Ugh

I lost my 12 streak cause of the dire satyr cultist

[spiral badge]

even clearing numbskulls an uncharged zag bow shot is fine imo. Zag bow stronk

[brazen nest]

Ugh

[stable sigil]

I only ever use cast for boiling blood unless i'm using a cast aspect

[bronze sorrel]

Slow though

[keen sage]

I got Hazard Bomb for the first time and oh my god

[spiral badge]

Fair. Unless you find flurry shot 😍

[bronze sorrel]

True

[keen sage]

hazard bomb critical hits are completely ridiculous

[spiral badge]

Flurry shot zag bow 🤤

[keen sage]

is Seeking Fire ever... good? I feel like the gun fires fast enough that there's no real point to it seeking targets

[spiral badge]

ummmmm is. That the +10% damage one too?

[keen sage]

yes, so that part of it is useful I guess

[spiral badge]

Meaningful for hestia and zag kind of, being able to spray and pray a whole room blindfolded

Asphodel comes to mind

But niche outside of that

[keen sage]

the gun's short range enough you're not going to seek distant foes blindfolded

[jovial fulcrum]

10% damage is fine

[spiral badge]

it doesn’t sound like much

[bronze sorrel]

Ya, its not awful but not something you take when better options present themselves

[keen sage]

haven't tried hestia aspect yet

[spiral badge]

And if you’re not having an issue it isnt

But think of it this way

One less thing to worry about

[keen sage]

lucifer is fun but tricky to get used to, kind of like arthur

[spiral badge]

You can now focus totally on moving and not getting hit

[jovial fulcrum]

not missing your hestia amp shot is pretty nice, i guess

[spiral badge]

You have auto-aim+, the gun is truly going to do the shooting for you

It’s an ergonomic use case

Those are tougher to put onto paper, but they do have their place

[keen sage]

makes sense, it just didn't do much for me in practice considering the short range

[spiral badge]

also honestly as a second use

It’s a good enemy radar

Like casts

Cant find the last enemy in a room? Start shooting. There he is

ergonomic uses, again

but there are def stronger hammers

That one just doesn’t actively hurt you

[brazen nest]

7 blood and 20+ ambrosia, to unlock rama or not

[bronze sorrel]

Lets say you get offered delta chamber and ricochet fire plus seeking fire. That's when you take seeking fire.

[spiral badge]

UNLESS YOU’RE PLAYING HESTIA

End transmission

ricochet fire hestia is outrageous

[brazen nest]

What would you say Aurash?

[spiral badge]

oh hell

[brazen nest]

Do I exchange 8 ambro?

[spiral badge]

Rama bro

Honestly I can’t make that call for you, thats a good bit

But rama bro

Top 3 weapon in the game bro

definition of “strength in balance”

[brazen nest]

I have a lot of ambrosia

23 or so

[spiral badge]

then all aboard the hype train for you

[brazen nest]

And a bunch of ambrosia prophecies to go

[stable sigil]

Take the Rama

[jovial fulcrum]

I'd probably take ricochet over seeking on any rail aspect

except lucy, since you cant lol

[stable sigil]

Yeah espec if you have zeus attack

Actually does ricochet proc more lightning bolts?

[spiral badge]

should

Procs everything else

[bronze sorrel]

I'll take several boons on Hestia over seeking. Piercing Fire is a top priority. Explosive Fire and Targeting System also seem preferable in my mind.

[spiral badge]

oh absolutely

I was talking about ricochet lol

[stable sigil]

I thought Hestia was trash until i had a super fun run the other day

[spiral badge]

If I was on hestia and those choices showed up I would break my controller pressing A on ricochet lol

That’s all I was getting at

[stable sigil]

400 damage on every shot if you reload constantly

Not bad

[keen sage]

if you get ricochet, will effects proc on both hits?

like chain lightning

[spiral badge]

To my knowledge, yes

[stable sigil]

That would be lit

[bronze sorrel]

Oh ya, I mean I'd still take piercing, explosive and TS over ricochet, but its not bad.

[spiral badge]

hestia 💞

[stable sigil]

Rule 1 of gun: always take zeus strike (unles you're using hestia)

[keen sage]

I won twice with Lucifer recently using frost strike. Ice beam power

[stable sigil]

Chillny

[spiral badge]

Oh? Piercing I get, but sell me on explosive 👀 I’ve never heard its strengths explained

[keen sage]

I've also used poseidon's attack boon with the rail, which is pretty amusing and can be good

it also helps you keep foes in the target of your bomb

just push 'em in

[bronze sorrel]

Magic bullet becomes a small AOE

[spiral badge]

I’ve always held ricochet as s-tier for hestia. Flat 100% damage boost, and 100% extra chance to crit (because of course you should be on artemis)

[spiral badge]

How does this function as an improvement over ricochet’s mechanics, say?

Is the slow pretty significant?

I haven’t played with explosive much

[keen sage]

one of the most ridiculous builds I managed with shield + poseidon attack + basically every poseidon boon related to knockback effects/damage

just slamming dudes into walls and exploding them

[bronze sorrel]

Slow is nice for targeting, esp for those of us on M&K.

[keen sage]

although I'm not sure how poseidon knockback stacks with shield attack knockback

[spiral badge]

mmmm I see

[bronze sorrel]

Also you can finally deal with flame wheels

[spiral badge]

I’m controller so I play hestia by switching gears back and forth between moving really fast and moving really slow, letting the auto-aim and my left stick do my aiming for me

I’ll try it out sometime!

[bronze sorrel]

Ya, honestly in most cases I think controller auto-aim is better esp for speed, but I'm a die hard M&K player. I even play fighting games on keyboard.

[spiral badge]

😱😱😱

They could put an article about you in the Smithsonian

[keen sage]

I mean people use joysticks with arcade buttons for fighting games, keyboard isn't really that different conceptually

since the joysticks aren't analog or anything for those

[bronze sorrel]

Gonna go hunt for a poseidon boon cause I've been burned.

[spiral badge]

There’s a pretty big gap in mechanical fluidity for quick inputs between a stick and m/kb

No hate Fred, I’m legitimately impressed

That’s some serious dexterity you’ve built up if you can pull that off

[hearty mulch]

I speedrun with M&K.

Yes, I am a masochist, how could you tell?

[bronze sorrel]

I mean honestly I think its held me back in a huge way on combo execution. But I'm stubborn as hell.

[hearty mulch]

Lol saaaaaame

I'd rather stick to M&K than deal with the hassle of setting up a controller

Maybe that's why I gravitate to Fists so much

[spiral badge]

Yeah m/kB is the platform that has lasted for a reason but my hands hurt just thinking about fighting game inputs with a keyboard lol

[bronze sorrel]

I never owned a console growing up, it was all PC gaming (Civilization, Age of Empires, etc) so I always used M&K. Stuck to PC as an adult and have still never owned a console.

[spiral badge]

There’s a blonde hair blue eyes joke in here, but I can’t find it

[hearty mulch]

wha

[bronze sorrel]

I think they mean "PC master race"

[spiral badge]

Bingo

[hearty mulch]

Ah

[opal lodge]

that being said, kbm is definitely doable for speedrunning this game and playing at a high level

[bronze sorrel]

I will say avoiding console war bs like the current scalper-ocalypse on PS5 has definitely made me glad I'm PC only

[opal lodge]

lili, the current anyheat WR holder, plays on kbm

[bronze sorrel]

Ya, its definitely not as bad as on fighting games.

Jerds I think uses Mouse & Controller. Cause he's a weirdo.

[spiral badge]

I was PCMR. Then I got a switch. Now I am the enlightened centrist gamer. Just Want to Game

[bronze sorrel]

I'm honestly tempted to get a switch just to play Hades at work on my breaks.

[spiral badge]

I’m from a business that travels a ton, and Switch has absolutely infected the entire industry

I watched it happen over like 6 months

That’s how I got in

[bronze sorrel]

I'm a bit sad the current gen of pokemon is apparently rubbish. The closest thing I had to a console growing up was a gameboy color, and I have fond memories.

[spiral badge]

Oh yeah. Saw early looks and rumblings and quickly realized it wasnt worth tarnishing the ol’ childhood

[hearty mulch]

I'm probably going to get the DP remakes to finally kill off any attachment I have to that god-forsaken franchise

I like playing it competitively, but I don't want to support the absolute mess the series turned into.

[bronze sorrel]

Since I've never really used controller, what do y'all feel are the biggest disadvantages? What am I getting from stubbornly insisting on using k&m? Make me feel better about my bad choices lol

[spiral badge]

You have 2 degrees of aiming freedom against our one

[bronze sorrel]

?

[spiral badge]

That can be a difference maker with a high skill cap

You have 2 independent axes of movement, character movement and aiming

[bronze sorrel]

Ah

[spiral badge]

For us controller cavemen, those two are largely the same thing

Your aiming is your movement

[hearty mulch]

Gilgamesh M&K player: "What's the difference?"

[bronze sorrel]

Alot less dash button hand cramping on controller I imagine.

[jovial fulcrum]

It's easier to dash attack on controller probably, but it's hard to dash uppercut w/ fists

probably

never tried K&M

[tranquil falcon]

is repulse shot any good

[bronze sorrel]

Well I can tell you dash upper on keyboard is super hard to do consistently, at least for me

[tranquil falcon]

^

[jovial fulcrum]

okay, well i guess its just hard to do then

[bronze sorrel]

No

[spiral badge]

Disagree a little

[jovial fulcrum]

I find myself accidentally hitting a dash attack or just missing the timing for a dash upper when I try to do it on Gilgamesh or something

[spiral badge]

Pulse shot can make the best of a bad hammer roll

It’s effectively splash dash for free

So it can be a really good cc/bullying tool with rapid fire shots

Very nice in Styx for obvious reasons

I recall a very nice twin/pulse shot run with heart rend in particular

[bronze sorrel]

I've never had a situation where there wasn't a better hammer

[spiral badge]

Shotgun Bow 👌🏻

[bronze sorrel]

But I suppose its possible

[spiral badge]

I think I might’ve got force fed it once by AP and really came to appreciate it

I do like AP for that. Hateful pact but it forces you to learn new things

[bronze sorrel]

Ah, AP will do that.

[spiral badge]

It taught me the same thing about nemesis world splitter lol

[bronze sorrel]

You also learn what just flat out doesn't work no matter how hard to try.

Like drunken dash

Drunken Dash, Curse of Longing, Peer Pressure, Cold Embrace, Freezing Vortex. The royalty of boons Amir made so you could purge them for obols.

[jovial fulcrum]

tfw you try to do a different build on Nemesis but the game just shoves Aphro/Arty in face inside of Tartarus

[tranquil falcon]

now here's a thought

i want to do ME rama

to try it out

but i just got offered heroic zeus special

screw it completely changing my build it's only tartarus

okay

pulse shot, explosive shot, or perfect shot

[robust anchor]

me rama sounds neat with ares special and athena attack

[brazen nest]

Rama wants some damage boosting boons rights?

I was aiming for the legendaries prophecy, some are hard as crap to get

Poseidon and Zeus

[jovial fulcrum]

man that run was dicey.

walking in to Elysium with 120 max hp isnt fun

[worthy crane]

i did not realize how brutal trippy shot is especially with duo boons and upgrades 😩

[tough ridge]

hey guys, is CHILL even good?

i managed to run into demetes many times and i have a subzero build lol

[spiral badge]

Chill is great

Demeter is just kind of eh sometimes lol

[worthy crane]

demeters duo boons r rlly good imo

[tough ridge]

who is the powerhouse build god?

[jovial fulcrum]

especially when ever other room is poppers greatshields yeeeeesh

[tough ridge]

my last run i had artmeis/hermes/athena=GODLIKE

[worthy crane]

dude try getting demeter/dionysus/Zeus duo and normal boons

they absolutely destroy

[tough ridge]

i rarely run into dionysus and zeus :/

i keep running into everyone but zeus and diony/ares

[worthy crane]

damn, have you been able to give them nectar?

[turbid needle]

Trippy shot is so good

[worthy crane]

also dionysus and ares together are also really good
trippy shot is godlike with its upgrades

[turbid needle]

esp w demeter or zeus

[worthy crane]

yessss ^^^

[turbid needle]

i prefer zeus but

its all good

[worthy crane]

it’s easier for me to get zeus/dio than demeter/dio lmaooo

I think I got ice wine once and it totally annihilated everything

[turbid needle]

Yeahh

it rocks

[worthy crane]

ive also been getting good luck with dio and his legendary too

[jovial fulcrum]

Start with Ares and Achilles spear
floor 1 slicing shot.
natural artemis on floor 4

[vital harness]

Has anyone tried rail/fists with aphro attack, call and legendary boon + the zeus and aphro duo boon? Cus that sounds like a very charming build to me

[keen sage]

wait, people use athena attack? why? I've only ever used it on the shield

[vital harness]

Everyone knows you use dash to deflect, not attack!

[worthy crane]

i like both lol

i like athenas attack boom on the gun

and the fists

[keen sage]

deflecting stuff at point-blank range while attacking sounds dangerous

[worthy crane]

yes

nah but seriously I use it as like a last resort type thing?? like it’s a extra one of defense ig??

like if smths shooting at you you can hit it back and deflect damage

tho dash is way better

[jovial fulcrum]

Hunting Blades secured

not even at Furies yet

this is that goooood cast build

[tranquil falcon]

this very specific build works too well lmao

ME

Vengeful mood

curse of vengeance

and holy shield

as well as athena dash

[jovial fulcrum]

lolol

[tranquil falcon]

and dire misfortune

[jovial fulcrum]

I had Mood and the two revenges earlier today but not ME unfortunately

https://i.imgur.com/Ic9fsBL.png

get ready meg, lol

[tranquil falcon]

damn hunting blades in tartarus

[jovial fulcrum]

on achilles spear

aahhhhh

alecto.
more like
getrekto

[brazen nest]

Perfect shot or twin shot with rama?

Hmmmm what a hard choice

[tranquil falcon]

twin

[drifting robin]

Twinsies

[tranquil falcon]

how do i zeus shield

[cloud vault]

Get big special, throw shield, recall shield, meanwhile dash attack and rush

[jovial fulcrum]

After playing EM3 champs w/ FO, I see why people say "Kill asterius first"

man

FO ASterius is terrifying

I mean, i won but yeeesh

[still vortex]

The sound of getting g a death defiance during phase 3 EM4 Hades is so awesome, the disappointment but thrill to get back in it. Goosebumps. 🤘

[keen sage]

bear in mind zeus shield throw does not stop you from using the shield. It's a bonus shield. Don't think too hard about it

and works really well with zeus lightning special, appropriately enough

[thorny cliff]

How does Exagryph even function without Lightning Strike?

[balmy tapir]

Ikr

[bronze sorrel]

What do you mean, Frost Strike is super viable :p

[bronze sorrel]

Just wait till you try EM3, FO2, HL5, CP2 Asterius

[turbid needle]

When a boon or hamner says "deals 40 base damage twice" does it mean 40 added onto the base damage or it changes the base damage to 40 exactly??