h1-builds-and-combat

[floral hemlock]

aight thx guys

[tidal scaffold]

this is the fresh file build?

[limber cloak]

not necessarily, no

[tidal scaffold]

one of them i guess

i mean there are lots of them

[spiral badge]

Would certainly be on the table, as you get Athena for your first boon, but that’s only part of the luck you’d need

And ME requires a good deal of luck, especially without late game tools to help it take form

If you’re looking just to have some fun with the fists @floral hemlock, might I suggest a more conventional Zeus attack build for you before you start off chasing the ME dragon lol. Maybe talos aspect? Demeter is probably the higher performer but talos is more capable when under-leveled IMO

[slim lynx]

support fire is also very nice on fists

[flat garden]

does sure footing (+90% trap damage resistance on epic) and HS (+400% trap damage) mean 410% damage from traps or 500% * 10% = 50%?

[half crater]

the latter

[flat garden]

cheers. that's pretty swag

[half crater]

yeah it’s good

[slim lynx]

sure footing with hs on is pretty swag, it's multiplicative so hs is pretty much mostly mitigated

[flat garden]

why did i get zeus leggo when i cant actually use it

[slim lynx]

orange boon good!!

[flat garden]

until i get sea storm anyway

[jovial fulcrum]

sell for monies

[spiral badge]

Orange boon though

S H I N Y

[flat garden]

if i get sea storm it would be pretty good

[slim lynx]

orange boon good for stonks

[jovial fulcrum]

Ideas for Chaos Shield run?
Not really sure where to take it

[flat garden]

im doing the ever elusive dash only

[spiral badge]

Doom or Zeus @jovial fulcrum?

[jovial fulcrum]

either?

both?

[spiral badge]

I don’t chaos shield but chaos shield is just more zag shields lol and that’s what I build it for

Special

Either

[half crater]

you want doom, zeus or hangover on special

doom and zeus are better, but hangover still works

[spiral badge]

Yeah hangover is prolly fine for chaos

Zeus probably has the highest? Damage ceiling in his legendary?

[jovial fulcrum]

I haven't done Vengeful mood in a while, could be fun.

[half crater]

yeah with a bit of luck the zeus build prolly has the higher ceiling

[spiral badge]

But ares has impending doom which is more immediately accessible

Also Ares is 50% of PS off the bat

Which is a nice early game power buff if you make a conventional aphro choice for attack

[half crater]

i’ve never done Curse of Longing chaos, but on paper it sounds fun

aphro on attack

[spiral badge]

I wonder about CoL tho

With chaos I would almost avoid the duo 🙈

You can apply doom so readily

I don’t know that id want the hit to damage

Ares aphro is a wombo combo otherwise

[half crater]

sure, but it frees you up a bit

[spiral badge]

True

And PS is online permanently at that point

[half crater]

indeed

[spiral badge]

For every other aspect I’d take it. Only for chaos I would hesitate a little

[half crater]

idk i’ll prolly try it sometime

[spiral badge]

But again I don’t chaos so this is all theory

[half crater]

i chaos from time to time, but i usually stick with zeus

[flat garden]

huge catch instead of sea storm

hey free 450 obols

[half crater]

poseidon: hey wanna catch some fish
me: ... sure imma fish in this purging pool

[limber cloak]

why do poseidon legendaries suck so much

uncle poseidon should get better treatment than this :((

[half crater]

the problem is his T2s are actually kinda good for some builds, so i keep qualifying for second wave by accident

it’s easy to avoid qualifying for huge catch

[limber cloak]

exactly

[flat garden]

tfw this meme run is faster than some of my regular runs

does splitting bolt work with lightning reflexes ?

ah ill just keep it

in case i get sea storm

didnt get it

oh.

[slim lynx]

does ricochet fire cause thunder strike to proc twice?

[flat garden]

wow im an idiot. i didnt realise tidal dash did not prereq with sea storm.

rip

[spiral badge]

Ssshhhh...sshhhhoould? That’s a really interesting question. Is the lightning bolt cooldown per enemy, or universal?

Worst case if the enemies are far enough apart I can see the delay in ricochet fire proccing being enough to satisfy it

It still has a travel velocity iirc, and .2s isn’t long

[slim lynx]

i think the chain lightning doesn't have a cooldown but i never really got to observe it even when i got flurry fire and swift strike in the same run

[flat garden]

why am i getting offered anvil with no hammers.

does that.. just give me two hammers?

[spiral badge]

Oh good point, attack boon duh

It should totally work

[spiral badge]

Now that you mention it though I wonder how that would interact with thunderbolts from SS

Hestia SS meme run lol

[slim lynx]

i actually got seastorm when i did a zag rail poseidon build one

there's probably still a cooldown but it didn't exactly seem that way, i wasn't paying attention to the bolts anyway

[spiral badge]

It’s there but it’s quick

So quick that it will stutter step rather than stop working entirely

So even on Chiron Zeus still isn’t entirely terrible like people say

.2s is 12 frames at 60fps, not a long cooldown at all

[limber cloak]

try it, and quit if it scams you

[flat garden]

unfortunately i didnt try it

[limber cloak]

smh

[flat garden]

i wanted the meme sub 20 win

[outer cave]

What's considered fast for a run

Like sub 20?

[flat garden]

sub 15 maybe

but for the average player sub 20ish is very good

alright im never doing a run with ruthless reflex or gilgamesh ever again

that was painful

[coarse moss]

but but its fun

[flat garden]

to be fair i never attacked or special with it so the fun factor went considerably down

[coarse moss]

haha i see

[jovial fulcrum]

I'm at teh champs and I still have 2 uses of nectar from eurydice

actually screaming inside

[naive solstice]

Gilgamesh is that one hidden aspect that looks fun on paper but turns out to be the opposite when you actually run it

You'd expect b i g numbers and a quick hit-and-run playstyle but instead it's...slow and kinda janky?

[spiral badge]

Reject Gilgamesh

[naive solstice]

Then again, all other hidden aspects are slow, so I guess it's only fitting

[spiral badge]

Return to talos heavy knuckle

[coarse moss]

whoa dont diss my favorite fist

[naive solstice]

Demeter and Talos are better than Gilgamesh imo

[jovial fulcrum]

Gil has been some of my fastest runs so far

[spiral badge]

Talos heavy knuckle does Gilga better than Gilga there I said it

[naive solstice]

even Zag aspect is better on high heat runs

[limber cloak]

gilgamesh does slap with merciful end though

[naive solstice]

I go with Gilgamesh the slowest out of all fist aspects so I'm a bit biased lol

[coral cave]

why even consider other fist aspects when demeter is right there

[coarse moss]

i just did barrel roll with this crazy dodge gilgamesh build

[flat garden]

i saw that. thats insane.

congrats on the time and heat pb too

[coarse moss]

thank you 😆

[naive solstice]

Bad hot take ahead but I don't find the hidden aspects nearly as fun as the regular ones

[coral cave]

its not hot

[naive solstice]

fast but lower base damage >>> slow but higher base damage

[flat garden]

but them crits doe

[proven osprey]

There is a lot more complexity than that

But it takes practice

[naive solstice]

Don't care how many high-heat runs use hidden aspects, they're still boring to use ~w~

[flat garden]

i find lucifer and arthur incredibly fun to use

they take some getting used to but once you do dang

[naive solstice]

Arthur is OP and there is no way to lose with it unless you get oustandingly bad RNG and fall asleep in the middle of the Hades fight

Tho I do agree that Lucifer can be fun if you physically force yourself to do more than just dumping special bombs every fight

[spiral badge]

I’m with you

Only rama felt worth the hype

Gilga in particular breaks my heart. Such a letdown

Though it is the ME warhorse, but only by default

I still can’t Arthur to save my life though

[jovial fulcrum]

i haven't done ME on Gil yet.

[spiral badge]

It shreds

[jovial fulcrum]

I just love gil for the dashing

[spiral badge]

That’s the one concession I’ll put in gilga’s favor

ME Gilga is matched by little else in the game in output

[jovial fulcrum]

dash dash dash. posiden pure or sea storm so much fun

[spiral badge]

ME Gilga + epic hermes dash = Fastest hades fight you’ll ever see

[coarse moss]

i let my brother use my save (he dont have em4 or gilgamesh). told him to take advantage of ruthless reflex + plume + more dodge from hermes. beat em4 first try with all defiances

[spiral badge]

Lol

Gilga has real power but it’s so extreme, so unipolar to me. It does virtually nothing until it becomes uncontrollably busted with the flip of a switch

[naive solstice]

Yeah it just doesn't feel good

it's why I said it feels weirdly janky

at first it's like tickling your enemies despite using two massive paws

[jovial fulcrum]

Maybe that's why i like it. Floodgate-esque scaling is funny to me

[tranquil falcon]

merciful end gilga?

would that just be doom on the attack

i'll actually try that

[willow haven]

yes

doom on attack and rest athena

[tranquil falcon]

yeah i can see how it'd be underpowered at first

i'm guessing swift strike works with the dashstrike as well?

[willow haven]

i think so yeah

dash strike is faster regardless right?

[limber cloak]

@tranquil falcon after you have the base build, the only thing you want is more dashes

since more dashes = more damage

[tranquil falcon]

yea ik

sdglkjdhgljkhdfg

this GAME

STOP PUTTING LIKE 20 EXPLODING CHARIOTS

IN THE EREBUS GATES

SGKLJHSDFKJGHFSLJKGHFD

i hat ethis game

[proven osprey]

Meow!

[tranquil falcon]

welp there goes my erebus hermes

[spiral badge]

@tranquil falcon for ME Gilga you get Athena dash or reset the run

Athena special is the requirement to acquire ME, but it’s the combination of Ares Attack and Athena Dash to proc ME that makes ME Gilga into ME Gilga. You still have ME without it but make no mistake, that’s the build people are talking about

[tranquil falcon]

yeah ik that

[spiral badge]

Oh, I must have misunderstood you. Apologies

[honest wing]

you need athena special and dash both

[tranquil falcon]

if you fail a hermes erebus gate, are you still able to have hermes offered before styx?

[spiral badge]

That’s why ME Gilga is such a touchy build. S+ when online, but probably the most specific boon requirement list in the game, and struggles somewhat until it’s operational

I think so? You haven’t accepted the Hermès boon, so it shouldn’t count against you

[heady radish]

failing an erebus gate does not count against your totals/god pool. its essentially like taking a midshop and not buying anything

[spiral badge]

Don’t know how the back end of that rng plays out with the rest of the rooms but you shouldn’t activate the tripwire by failing to acquire the boon

Yeah what he said ^^^

[tranquil falcon]

game please stop pomming the special

interesting situation

if a boon affected by rare crop was offered a replacement

would the replacement still level up with crop as well?

aaand i erebus gate and IMMEDIATELY fail

i hate longbows

[slim lynx]

what's a good chain skewer build?

[spiral badge]

Probably Zeus special and attack for flavor?

Dio/ares might be good there

[tranquil falcon]

yooooo

[spiral badge]

Or just aphro for damage

[tranquil falcon]

second hermes erebus gate

second erebus gate failed

[spiral badge]

You gotta shift gears playing those yo lol

[tranquil falcon]

it's hard to not get hit when my entire build is charge straight at the enemies' face

[spiral badge]

Play like a total puss for exactly one room. Force it upon yourself. At least before elysium erebrus gates tend not to be too populated so you only need 60 seconds of perfect play

I know your pain 😭 but it’s what must be done

[rapid storm]

should i use thick skin or high confidence?

[tranquil falcon]

thick skin most of the time

[spiral badge]

If you really need be melee employ hit and run to a fault

[tranquil falcon]

before elysium

they were both elysium

[spiral badge]

Oof I’m sorry

I got nothing for you there

[tranquil falcon]

i literally had to buy hermes in the final elysium shop

[spiral badge]

Elysium is a total dice roll

[tranquil falcon]

since that was literally my first hermes boon of the run

[willow haven]

i hate elysium

[spiral badge]

I’ve done 35 heat and my proudest moment in this game is still absolutely clearing an elysium erebrus gate with fists

Still have no idea how I did it

[rapid storm]

what aspect should i choose im at a loss lmao i got 2 titan blood

[spiral badge]

It was a butterfly hell room to

[willow haven]

anything works

[dusky relic]

tfw you use fated persuasion and get the same 3 options 😐

[spiral badge]

My biggest single flex in the game to date

[willow haven]

whatever u like

[willow haven]

[spiral badge]

No idea how I did it

[willow haven]

i don't think i've ever taken those gates in elysium lol

but man those butterfly goons are fun to kill

[rapid storm]

is aspect of hera good?

[willow haven]

yep

[spiral badge]

I let my Gungeon experience take the wheel and prayed lol

[willow haven]

hera with weakshot is

lol

[spiral badge]

Hera is great value especially

1 blood gets you 90% of what Hera does total

[willow haven]

chiron becomes such a trash bow in satyr tunnels

[honest wing]

just dont attack lol

[spiral badge]

Styx is why you don’t meme your Chiron attack slot

[willow haven]

[spiral badge]

And remember your zag bow training

[willow haven]

wait wot

[tranquil falcon]

this shreds styx damn

[rapid storm]

ight i like bow and sword but whats better, herea or poseidon?

[willow haven]

zag bow trainin?

[tranquil falcon]

you wanna know what would be better

[willow haven]

i might've missed

[tranquil falcon]

if i got extra dashes after rolling hermes twice

🙂

[spiral badge]

Powershotting and dash attacking lol

[tranquil falcon]

^

[willow haven]

[spiral badge]

Can’t rely on special in enclosed spaces

Gotta fall back on that attack button

[willow haven]

fr

[spiral badge]

And keep a good boon on it, not a meme one

[willow haven]

i was going with artemis special on chiron

it feltbadman

[rapid storm]

ight i like bow and sword but whats better, hera or poseidon?

[willow haven]

hera

[honest wing]

it doesn't actually feel satisfying with artemis special ngl

[willow haven]

fr

it doesn't

[honest wing]

poseidon demeter and dio feel more chonky

[willow haven]

i thought it'd do bonkers damage but

pew pew

[tranquil falcon]

okay styx hermes l;ets see if i actually get more dash

[willow haven]

i tried zeus, dio, doom

they all felt pretty good

[honest wing]

yea

[tranquil falcon]

please please

[honest wing]

I think dio is best on it

[tranquil falcon]

ALMGDNSBJLDKGH

[willow haven]

yep went with dio aphro combo

[tranquil falcon]

nope

no dashes

[willow haven]

was pretty good

[spiral badge]

Doom makes a surprising case with Chiron

[tranquil falcon]

that's 5 chacnes for extra dashes

[willow haven]

i was actually surprised

[tranquil falcon]

7 if you count the erebus gate

[spiral badge]

Impending doom is great

[willow haven]

that doom worked pretty well with it

it was the same logic as chaos shield

[tranquil falcon]

guess i'm taking greater haste

[honest wing]

fr?

[willow haven]

which paper told me

for real

[tranquil falcon]

is quick recovery even good?

[heady radish]

arti special kinda needs heart rend to be good

[honest wing]

I should try it

[tranquil falcon]

how does quick recovery work

[heady radish]

on chiron

[spiral badge]

And Chiron is probably the one weapon where ares addtl damage in hit actually matters

[honest wing]

athena on attack?

[willow haven]

ye

it's pog

[honest wing]

nah even after that doesn't really do much it's just small numbers

[willow haven]

yeah

[tranquil falcon]

how does quick recovery work

[rapid storm]

what boons should i go for with hera bow?

[willow haven]

i was only critting for like 100~ damage

[spiral badge]

Close your eyes and tell yourself it’s a Zeus attack’s worth of damage for every hit when doom fires and it makes sense

[willow haven]

crush shot and trippy are pretty good

[honest wing]

any strong cast and build around it, dio cast works well

[willow haven]

^

[rapid storm]

i got dionysus starting this escape just now

[willow haven]

yeah his cast is good

anything which does bonkers damage is good

[tranquil falcon]

chiron heart rend clean kill sweet surrender

[spiral badge]

You should know Dio’s cast is s-tier in general

[honest wing]

athena cast also does good damage

[willow haven]

your aim is to quickly kill and recollect the casts

[spiral badge]

Huge damage and utility

[rapid storm]

should i get drunken strike or trippy?

[willow haven]

trippy

[honest wing]

trippy

[spiral badge]

Trippy

[willow haven]

trippy

[honest wing]

trippy

[hearty mulch]

Dio's cast does great damage, especially with beowulf and hera

[spiral badge]

Torpy

[willow haven]

[tranquil falcon]

how does quick recovery work

[willow haven]

it does what it says

[tranquil falcon]

does the boon make you dash or is it IF you dash

[willow haven]

read

[spiral badge]

If you dash

[tranquil falcon]

okay

[honest wing]

if you dash quickly after taking damage

you dont take damage

except you do take damage

[hearty mulch]

but you don't

[tranquil falcon]

when i read it it seemed like it meant that the boon would make you dash after getting hit and just basically negate 50% damage

[honest wing]

but you might

[tranquil falcon]

so that's why i doubted it

because i read it exactly as it was written

[willow haven]

doesn't it say something like quickly dash to recover hp

[honest wing]

also it never works when you think it should

[hearty mulch]

basically it's a reaction thing

[tranquil falcon]

it said "After dashing, quickly dash to recover some hp you lost"

[hearty mulch]

gotta be f a s t

[honest wing]

and imo one of the worse hermes boons

[willow haven]

after taking damage*

[tranquil falcon]

^

yeah

i read it as "this is what the boon will make you do"

not as "this is what happens IF you do that with the boon"

[hearty mulch]

especially when you have Greatest Reflex as one of the other options

[willow haven]

i see

[spiral badge]

Boons that are inconsistent in execution are generally going to be worse than those that are @tranquil falcon

[hearty mulch]

or the boon which allows you to gain bonus move speed and Sturdy after dashing

[tranquil falcon]

yeah ik

do i take quick recovery or greater haste

[spiral badge]

That’s just something you can kind of take to the grave with this game

[tranquil falcon]

with gilgamesh

[spiral badge]

Haste

No reason not to

Passive move speed is surprisingly useful

Even with all gilga’s dashes

[willow haven]

quick recovery is usually the f tier choice

[hearty mulch]

greater haste

[tranquil falcon]

alr

[hearty mulch]

make gilga, one of the faster weapons, even faster

[willow haven]

honestly i find gilgamesh kinda underwhelming

[hearty mulch]

yeah, sadly

demeter fists outclass it

[willow haven]

yeah

[hearty mulch]

in every capacity

but goddamn it i love my beastman hands

[willow haven]

[spiral badge]

Talos Heavy Knuckle is Better Gilgamesh

[tranquil falcon]

yeah

[willow haven]

lmao

[tranquil falcon]

fists was purple and i only had level 2 demeter so might as well

[spiral badge]

@tranquil falcon if you’re ever at a Hermès boon and can’t make a decision, always take move speed

[tranquil falcon]

plus i hadn't done a gilga run in a while

[willow haven]

good

[spiral badge]

Not that it will be a difference maker itself

[tranquil falcon]

alr

[rapid storm]

should i get flurry shot?

[willow haven]

wot

[tranquil falcon]

with hera?

[rapid storm]

ye

[willow haven]

no

[coral cave]

Chat plays hades episode 4

[willow haven]

imo

[spiral badge]

But any move speed buff to zagreus sets up into Hyper Sprint, which is one of the most powerful single boons in the game

[willow haven]

i went with flurry on hera once

[spiral badge]

So if you can’t decide

[tranquil falcon]

i'd say probably not

[willow haven]

lost everything

[spiral badge]

Always take move speed for that setup

[tranquil falcon]

because flurry on hera is really wonky

[willow haven]

yes

LOL

i thought i was the only one

[tranquil falcon]

since you can't even like

[willow haven]

it feels super trash

[tranquil falcon]

aim where the casts are going

it's just hard to control

[willow haven]

very

[tranquil falcon]

bro 5 chances to get extra dash and i didn't get it offered once

[rapid storm]

i went with concentrated volley

[tranquil falcon]

😔

hermes why do you hate me

[spiral badge]

I like flurry on Hera 🙈

[willow haven]

you're on a list now

[spiral badge]

But I think flurry makes base bow in general better

So that’s a bias

[rapid storm]

e ares or poseidon i have dionysus rn

[willow haven]

ares

[spiral badge]

Ares

[willow haven]

just experiment with it

[tranquil falcon]

also since i've beaten em4 the biggest result is i can now listen to the em4 music without feeling guilty

[willow haven]

i learnt a lot of things by trial and error

[tranquil falcon]

lmao

[spiral badge]

See if he had flurry we could have a curse of nasuea setup going right now 😤

[willow haven]

[tranquil falcon]

i think curse of nausea is like the only duo i haven't gotten yet

[willow haven]

em4 was actually fun

[spiral badge]

It’s great

[tranquil falcon]

oh and splitting headache

[willow haven]

i just dislike heroes fight

[tranquil falcon]

splitting headache doesn't count

[spiral badge]

Most chill god and least chill god are surprisingly great bros

[tranquil falcon]

yeah it is

[honest wing]

I hate the heroes fight with em

[willow haven]

fr

[honest wing]

tried it once

[willow haven]

theseus runs around like a goof

[spiral badge]

Splitting headache doesn’t exist unless it’s on the back of a full Artemis build already

[honest wing]

got wrecked

[coral cave]

Em3 is the worst thing conceived by humankind

[willow haven]

while bullman spins

[tranquil falcon]

i hate em 3 yeah

[spiral badge]

At which point I think it’s actually kinda good for what it does

[tranquil falcon]

bruhhhhhh

wtf

[honest wing]

how does one even do em4

[coral cave]

Em4 isn't too bad

[tranquil falcon]

hades spawend butterfly ball

[honest wing]

sorry not em4

em3

[tranquil falcon]

and now my entire acorn is gone

[spiral badge]

Rip

[tranquil falcon]

instantly

[honest wing]

yea that's sad

[tranquil falcon]

rip acorn

[willow haven]

well you need a lotta damage

[honest wing]

rip acorn

[hearty mulch]

em4 is basically just hades second phase again but with the good doggo

[coral cave]

The difficulty spike from normal heroes to em3 is so insane

[hearty mulch]

and everything is dark

[honest wing]

damage yea but what on the defense side

[willow haven]

yes and night blindness

[honest wing]

how do you not die

[willow haven]

just dodge

4Head

[hearty mulch]

to beat em3 heroes

[tranquil falcon]

he also spawned doomstone

lmao

[hearty mulch]

hit them until they die

[honest wing]

ok

[willow haven]

korean advice

[rapid storm]

Epic curse of pain?

[honest wing]

hit them till they die, and just dont die yourself

got it

[willow haven]

yep

[hearty mulch]

save your death defiances for the hades fight

[spiral badge]

This is with acorn is the smallbrain play on em4 lol

[honest wing]

I usually dont use up DDs on the hades fight

idk the scene with em4 tho

[willow haven]

real men go lucky tooth

[honest wing]

but I prolly will take it easy

[spiral badge]

Gotta have confidence in your offense

Mom Pom

[tranquil falcon]

damn ruthless reflex is doing work

[willow haven]

i always go mom pom in elysium

[tranquil falcon]

i've dodged so many attacks

[rapid storm]

curse of pain, blade dash, or curse of vengeance

[limber cloak]

depends on your build and what youre going for

[spiral badge]

Pain

[hearty mulch]

real men go "DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT WHY ISN'T THERE A SINGLE ATHENA ROUTE OR OPTION IN THE SHOP I NEED A DEATH DEFIANCE"

[honest wing]

yea lol

[willow haven]

also why do most people use meg summon instead of than?

because of speed?

[spiral badge]

Real men spend 6 rolls on one well and cry

[honest wing]

I would think so

I prefer than too myself

[rapid storm]

im using hera bow rn and i have dionysus trippy flare

[limber cloak]

mom pom in elysium only gives you like the equivalent of a nectar random pom, since it only takes effect once

[willow haven]

1k more damage

[honest wing]

exactly

[hearty mulch]

Yeah. Meg is faster, and Than doesn't do enough damage to make up for slower speed

[willow haven]

yeah i knew it wasn't proccing much

[limber cloak]

curse of pain then

[willow haven]

he does 3.5k

meg does 2.5k i think

[honest wing]

yea

[hearty mulch]

yeah

but meg's is like instantaneous

while than is like

[willow haven]

tru

[hearty mulch]

a few seconds

[honest wing]

meg's is harder to angle too

[limber cloak]

1000 more damage isnt much when you consider the fact that most enemies (especially heroes) will move out of the circle before they get hit

also for speedrunning, you need to meg minibosses

[honest wing]

you can just force them to stay inside the circle

what do you mean you dont have tidal dash

[limber cloak]

trying to than any miniboss is pain

[hearty mulch]

iirc the attack just goes in the direction of where you're facing

[tranquil falcon]

aaand we did it

[willow haven]

the only miniboss i hate is the heckin ghost

[tranquil falcon]

onion eater

[limber cloak]

it does like such minuscule knockback lol

[tranquil falcon]

😭 you don't have to rub it in

[limber cloak]

sneak? you can meg that guy with ease

[honest wing]

the sneak is such a **********

[coral cave]

Onyo

[limber cloak]

and kill him in like 4 secs

i used to hate sneak until i learned to meg him

[willow haven]

fr i can't hit that dude

[spiral badge]

Bouldy is the superior companion until LC4 don’t @ me

[coral cave]

Evading the swear filter?

[honest wing]

yes

[tranquil falcon]

it's perpendicular to where you're facing

[coral cave]

Also you can just say ass

[honest wing]

owo?

[willow haven]

LOL

[tranquil falcon]

also random rare crop hit attack

🙏

[hearty mulch]

ah, gotcha, thanks

[tranquil falcon]

never punished

[rapid storm]

pom or shop(i have 319

[willow haven]

i didn't know how to use meg in heroes fight until someone here told me to tap up once then summon

[limber cloak]

what level are your boons?

[rapid storm]

not lvled rn

[willow haven]

we need a #chat-plays channel

[limber cloak]

i just insta meg after the convo, hits them every time

[willow haven]

it always misses asterius

[coral cave]

We need #handholding

[rapid storm]

e srry lol im just tryna get some help to get to hades never gotten there

[limber cloak]

lol, too many newbies here asking for every decision by chat tbh.

you should make decisions on yourself and learn!

[willow haven]

^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[coral cave]

Since apparently so many people here love asking questions for everything

[limber cloak]

ikr

[coral cave]

This thing or this thing?

Repeat 50 times

[willow haven]

i would've been hardstuck 5 heat if i did that

[coral cave]

Rip guys I died

[tranquil falcon]

i should really start megging start of hades fight

[willow haven]

f

[tranquil falcon]

because i usually do it start of phase 2

but then i immediately miss

[coral cave]

Then start process again

[tranquil falcon]

but the one time i did it start of hades

i forgot i had damage control

lmao

so there goes 2500 damage

[limber cloak]

if you forget to meg earlier, you should meg dad when he's lasering in second phase

or spawning those green urns

[tranquil falcon]

oh that could work

ty

[willow haven]

i had so much trouble with green urns when i first started because i was running heightened security

[limber cloak]

LMAO

rip

[willow haven]

it just said traps and magma

i had no idea it worked on those

[tranquil falcon]

tfw 150 damage urns

😳

[limber cloak]

i was terrified of HS the moment i read its description

[tranquil falcon]

^

[willow haven]

xD

i was like "this is the easiest free heat of my life"

[tranquil falcon]

dude if i turn on HS i would immediately die first room asphodel

[limber cloak]

my first heat was like convenience fee

which isnt bad but also not good lol

[tranquil falcon]

mine was TD

[limber cloak]

then i learnt about td, and went eh sure

[tranquil falcon]

satndard first heat

[willow haven]

paper u got any fun bow builds?

[limber cloak]

many

what aspect

[willow haven]

do you have a list

any

[limber cloak]

zag bow slaps if you havent tried it out

i dont have a list lol

max out zag bow, only takes like 5 titans blood

[willow haven]

zag bow was probably my most used

[limber cloak]

oh

ok then go chiron

aphro attack arty special

heart rend

[willow haven]

i did

[tranquil falcon]

rama artemis is actually pretty fun

because big damage

[willow haven]

it was bad

[limber cloak]

wh

how dare you say that to chiron

[willow haven]

it was bad

[limber cloak]

rama is also pretty fun if you know how to use it

[tranquil falcon]

arty attack aphro special

[willow haven]

[limber cloak]

dio/zeus/dem/ares special, with aphro/arty attack

and preferably twin shot or triple shot hammer

[willow haven]

yeah i did all of those i think

lol

[coral cave]

Rama good you just bad

Chiron is bad btw

[limber cloak]

chiron can also work with dio

[willow haven]

oh you meant that on rama?

[coral cave]

Worst bow aspect ez

[limber cloak]

blocking you rn

[limber cloak]

yes

[willow haven]

i haven't tried all those on rama i think

but chiron yeah

[coral cave]

Go ahead I do not care

[limber cloak]

1 blocked message

[willow haven]

[coral cave]

I have lost nothing

[willow haven]

i mean he's not wrong

[limber cloak]

wow

[willow haven]

doesn't work in tunnels

[limber cloak]

blocking you both

[willow haven]

LOL

[coral cave]

Chiron is objectively the worst bow aspect

[limber cloak]

dont ask me for any builds again boi

[willow haven]

nO

noOOOO

why are you so afraid of the truth

[coral cave]

Zag bow? Destroys
Hera? Destroys
Rama? Destroys

[willow haven]

pewpew

[coral cave]

Chiron is mega cringe

[limber cloak]

chiron? destroys

[willow haven]

LOL

[limber cloak]

also sabita

[naive solstice]

Chiron is literally the best bow aspect

[limber cloak]

have you tried crush shot hera

[willow haven]

yes

it was beautiful

[limber cloak]

yes, dont listen to them

[willow haven]

i haven't seen anything as beautiful as cs hera

[limber cloak]

hm, tried zeus cast hera?

[willow haven]

nop

[coral cave]

Ew

[limber cloak]

try that out then

[willow haven]

gonna give it a shot

yes

ty

[naive solstice]

it synergises with every non-cast build

[tranquil falcon]

does zeus cast work with posiedon

[naive solstice]

doesn't matter if you focus special or attack

[limber cloak]

yes

[willow haven]

could you make me a list of fun builds

[limber cloak]

no

[willow haven]

[tranquil falcon]

what are like the best poseidon casts

or something

[limber cloak]

flood shot is decent, crush shot is good as well

arty cast is also very good

especially since you will want arty in any poseidon or cast build anyway, because of her leggo and exit wounds

[naive solstice]

doesn't poseidon work with every cast considering the passive +% cast damage?

[willow haven]

any duo i need to look out for for zeus hera?

[limber cloak]

except for non lodging casts, yeah

even they can work tbh, just not as good

[limber cloak]

dont think so, the only thing you want is more zeus and arty

[willow haven]

alrightythanks

[limber cloak]

actually wait

[willow haven]

[limber cloak]

you would want poseidon for mirage shot

its not necessary, just good

[willow haven]

[naive solstice]

cold fusion and sea storm are also alright

[willow haven]

zeus cast, poseidon special and deadly strike?

[naive solstice]

additional jolted damage and more lightning = good

[tranquil falcon]

i thought artemis beowulf would be less underwhelming than it is

idk if i just did something wrong

[willow haven]

what

[naive solstice]

I thought beowulf would be less underwhelming than it is
ftfy

[willow haven]

why

[solid cairn]

hunter flare is horrible

[willow haven]

beowulf is actually fun

i tried it with trippy and it was

[tranquil falcon]

yeah beowulf is fun

but hunter flare is just

eh

[gusty rapids]

hunters flare isn’t that bad it just has dong aoe

[solid cairn]

[gusty rapids]

compared to other casts

[willow haven]

i guess

[solid cairn]

and horrible crit

[coral cave]

Beowulf

[gusty rapids]

it has nice dmg and leads to mirage easily

[tranquil falcon]

10% crit is ew

[limber cloak]

flood is still better in that regard

[solid cairn]

flood good

[willow haven]

i find crit underwhelming tbh

[gusty rapids]

yeah flood for sure better

[limber cloak]

have you played nemesis heart rend @willow haven

[solid cairn]

like crit as a whole or?

[willow haven]

it takes too long to get it up to 50%

no heart rend but yeah it was pretty good

i went heart rend on arthur i think

1 4k crit on hades and that's all

[limber cloak]

heart rend nemesis with double edge will have you critting on every enemy lol

[cloud vault]

@fervent elbow hey, check your image upload on the sheet, it seems broken to me but could just be me 😑

[willow haven]

lmfao @limber cloak the lightning cast goes EVERYWHERE

[limber cloak]

yep

[willow haven]

it's hard to keep track lmfao

[coral cave]

Damn that episode of chat plays hades didn't last very long huh

[hearty mulch]

lightning cast go brrrrrrrrr

[limber cloak]

do you think theyd ask again after we all literally just told them not to

lmao

[solid cairn]

I've been speedrunning this game for months, used zeus cast many times, still believe it has a mind of its own

[limber cloak]

also yeah the image is corrupted @cloud vault not just you

[coral cave]

Idk some people just do not get social cues lol

[fervent elbow]

I have resubmited another form, is the image fine ?

[limber cloak]

yep, fine now

[tranquil falcon]

i just realized i did an entire tartarus with the wrong aspect and the wrong keepsake

i was planning on doing poseidon sword arty

and instead took zag sword and acorn

[coral cave]

Perception 100

[tranquil falcon]

wELP

[daring turtle]

goes home, gets a snack and watches TV.
an hour later: wait, this isn't my house!

[cloud vault]

Yup works now, just get nya to remove the broken one

[tranquil falcon]

i only realized because i kept specialing tsiphone

and i was wondering why the casts weren't dislodging

[hearty mulch]

zag sword

why

[coral cave]

You have great perception skills btw

[hearty mulch]

why do you desire suffering so much

why would you ever go zag sword when all other options are a thousand times superior

nemesis and poseidon are great for speedruns

and arthur is good for BEEEEEEEG DAMAGE

[limber cloak]

they accidentally took it

perception 100 applies to you too now lmao

[hearty mulch]

Yeah but like

why even switch to it in the first place

[daring turtle]

zag I can see being good for cursed slash flurry slash with LC4 to rapidly heal

[hearty mulch]

poseidon is nowhere near zag on the aspect select screen

it's the third option

[coral cave]

P e r c e p t i o n

[hearty mulch]

i have special eyes

[solid cairn]

zag sword technically has the fastest in game time record of every sword

[coral cave]

Zag sword go zoom

[solid cairn]

[gusty rapids]

zag sword more like

lame

[hearty mulch]

srs?

looked it up

dang

[gusty rapids]

yeah it actually is the fastest atm

[hearty mulch]

6:53

[gusty rapids]

because nuhai is lame

[coral cave]

You just don't appreciate the power of zoom

Smh

[hearty mulch]

i do

cries in Gilgamesh

F

wot

[stable sigil]

Explosive shot on bow or gun?

[hearty mulch]

yo wtf

[coral cave]

Shut up bro got damn

[hearty mulch]

i don't speak in thanos beatbox

[willow haven]

than's a weeb

[stable sigil]

Is it bad that i read that as thanatos beatbox

[willow haven]

i read teh same

LOL

[hearty mulch]

thanatos shows zagreus his beatboxing skills

that's what happens when you romance him

[willow haven]

his lyre skills?

[stable sigil]

Question: did baby thanatos still make a "guh dong" when he teleported or was it like... a glockenspiel

[hearty mulch]

both at the same time

[stable sigil]

I can't stop imagining single mother nyx frantically chasing around a teleporting baby while a xylophone player goes ham

[spiral badge]

When he was a teenager he made it into a my chemical romance riff so I don’t see why not

[stable sigil]

Whaaaaaat that sounds like it would be so good with explosive shot

Beeg damage

[spiral badge]

Are you on Rama or not on Rama

If you’re on Rama rip

Rip

If you’re not on Rama it just makes it into Rama

[stable sigil]

Thicc charge but thiccccc damage

[coral cave]

Explosive on rama is great

[stable sigil]

Those are my fav runs to get with rama

[coral cave]

Shut up bro oh my god

Why you spammin

[spiral badge]

But Rama and explosive is an unconventional choice lol

[coral cave]

Rama and explosive is honestly a very good combo

I've done it myself

Crazy damage

[spiral badge]

I want to believe that

And I buy what you’re saying

[stable sigil]

Espec with artemis/aphrodite

[spiral badge]

But I feel like there’s an asterisk in there

[coral cave]

Exosive rama is just melee bow

[spiral badge]

Being that you want explosive and another hammer in there like twin

[stable sigil]

Heart rend, clean kill, sweet surrender, all percentage based

[spiral badge]

Then yes it’s the lol-shotgun bow

[hearty mulch]

Also can't you like

[spiral badge]

Twin-explosive is hilarious. The hell is a power shot?

[hearty mulch]

get a different hammer?

from the anvil in Styx?

[stable sigil]

Might be too late

The anvil destroyed one of my runs by giving my cursed sword on a special spam run so i don't trust it

[hearty mulch]

cursed sword is only ever good with flurry slash

otherwise it's garbaggio

[coral cave]

Twin explosive with heart rend is crazy damage

Chunking like no other

[spiral badge]

I’ve had those runs lol

Just spam at point blank and spin the wheel waiting for a crit to vaporize the whole room

[hearty mulch]

chonk

[spiral badge]

It’s funny when that actually literally happens and the game stutters for a split second while it works out all the damage calculation and animation lol

[coarse moss]

rama the melee weapon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/791689069771227166/20201224232743_1.jpg

[hearty mulch]

four death defiances

damn

you got the defiance chaos boon

[coarse moss]

yeah it saved the run

[hearty mulch]

based defiance chaos boon

always good no matter what curse is on it

especially on higher heat

[spiral badge]

Whoo boy is that a chunky boi

[opal lodge]

yakuza how the hell did you get that much gold on 42 heat gilga

lol

[slim lynx]

point-blank shot 😍
triple shot 😍
explosive shot

honestly why are you even allowed to get explosive shot on rama

like do you want the run to be ruined

[limber cloak]

for the memes

obviously

[slim lynx]

how long does it take to charged explosive shot on any other aspect compared to how long it takes to charge up a normal rama shot?

[hearty mulch]

yeah but

chunky damage

[daring turtle]

explosive rama is hilariously slow

[coarse moss]

i didnt even look at styx shop cuz going fast @ bright 😆

[daring turtle]

explosive twin basically means all your shots are near point blank unless you charge your shot for like 5 seconds

[heady radish]

yo uhave 3 hermes i thought?

[slim lynx]

i'd love to see someone get sub 15 with explosive rama

[coarse moss]

oh i did huh. mixed it up with my other attempts

[opal lodge]

mustve been a lot of sunken treasure haha

[willow haven]

dude it doesn't even charge

[tranquil falcon]

flurry cast greater recall is fun because i don't have to think

i can just run around and hold down right click

[daring turtle]

the time it takes to get a perfect shot with explosive rama is just silly

[willow haven]

i was going with zeus special rama so had no use for attacks

took explosive and

it doesn't charge

[proven osprey]

@mighty ermine

I would not want you to miss that

Thank me later

[willow haven]

tower defense rama

brr brr brr

[slim lynx]

how long till 60 heat rama zeus special

[willow haven]

i could try it but i get frustrated quick when i do bad on high heat

wait 60 no

[tranquil falcon]

does demeter flare work

[proven osprey]

Not it's terrible

[willow haven]

i guess?

[tranquil falcon]

what casts work with beowulf

i want to do something other than scint feast ice wine lmao

[willow haven]

i tried ares once

[gusty rapids]

poseidon cast is p good

[willow haven]

it was.. not very good

[gusty rapids]

go for poseidon cast, try to get artemis attack into mirage shot

[willow haven]

but the blade was big

[slim lynx]

trippy shot + stygian soul is way better imo

[willow haven]

they already tried it

[gusty rapids]

well they said they didnt want to do dio cast

[slim lynx]

if you want mirage shot just get arty on attack and poseidon on special idk, not like you're gonna be using special ever

[tranquil falcon]

yeah trippy shot stygian soul works

[slim lynx]

oh

aphro is good then

[willow haven]

good damage aye

[gusty rapids]

well sure dio cast works and is fantastic but it requires a lot more pieces than poseidon or aphro cast

[slim lynx]

or maybe go the other way, arty cast + poseidon... something

[willow haven]

wot

[opal lodge]

arty cast is fine

the aoe just kind of sucks

[slim lynx]

i'm not sure which of poseidon's boons work for mirage shot

[gusty rapids]

resident arty cast expert has appeared

all core boons

iirc

[tranquil falcon]

arty cast doesn't feel that good from when i did it

call

every single time

i am in love with poseidon call

[heady radish]

almost any cast works on beo

[willow haven]

zooooom

[gusty rapids]

zeus cast.

[heady radish]

except electric flare

[willow haven]

poseidon call is so fun to use

wheeeeee

[tranquil falcon]

oh yeah ik zeus sucks lmaooo

i'll try poseidon flare ig

[willow haven]

dio with zeus duo

[tranquil falcon]

poseidon flare big boomy

[fair locust]

did hidden aspect heartseeker with full zeus

the special became a lightningstorm cannon

[opal lodge]

@mighty ermine crying in the club rn

[tranquil falcon]

i take swift strike with beo right

does swift strike affect the bull rush?

[opal lodge]

no

[tranquil falcon]

ok

haste time

now all i need is rush delivery in styx

[devout trellis]

5 sac tiny vermin with only one boon that i want

and it's common

wonderful

[tranquil falcon]

it do be like that sometimes

flood flare gets affected by sea storm right

[heady radish]

no it doesn't

according amir this is by design

[tranquil falcon]

oh alright well rip

HOLY

charged shot + arty attack

hittin some 800s

[heady radish]

you can still proc it on shield attack tho because it has knockback

[tranquil falcon]

yeah ik that

i saw that

[devout trellis]

wait until you try arthur crit

can hit 1.3k without attack boon

[tranquil falcon]

oh yeah

i've seen some big

[heady radish]

you can phase every boss

with beowulf

[tranquil falcon]

uhh

[devout trellis]

my biggest number so far is around 3.7k

[tranquil falcon]

the freeze frames with flood flare

[devout trellis]

with a crit doom

[tranquil falcon]

look at #h1-victory-boasting imma show something real quick

[heady radish]

ye you get used to that screen

[tranquil falcon]

damn

is that only with flood flare?

or with all beo casts

[heady radish]

i've only seen it with flood flare

[tranquil falcon]

because i don't remember seeing that on trippy shot/crit flare

alright

[heady radish]

but i've only played electric and slicing once in my life

[tranquil falcon]

i mean it looks dope though

[heady radish]

because i don't hate myself

[tranquil falcon]

does it only not proc sea storm or does it just not knockback

[heady radish]

it knocks back

[tranquil falcon]

ah alright

[heady radish]

it just doesn't proc seastorm

the knockback is v small tho

[tranquil falcon]

so wave pounding and stuff still affects it

damn

and i was so ready for some big number double wave sea storm mirage shot flood flare

[heady radish]

yep. wave pounding works

[tranquil falcon]

how do i dem fist

[opal lodge]

ponch

uppercut

[tranquil falcon]

boon

[opal lodge]

zeus attack

or

hear me out

blade dash

[heady radish]

i'm slowly coming around to blade dash

[opal lodge]

or ME if youre like that

my all weaps pb now has flood flare blade dash tyler

[heady radish]

oh its def good on beo

the problem is the duos it enables

[opal lodge]

yeah i took it after mirage

[cloud vault]

I like crit special on Dem

Athena attack maybe depending on heat for that sweet DR

[spiral badge]

Don’t waste a Demeter charge on dash-specialing

That’s about the only Demeter-specific thing I know of

[hearty mulch]

Ares Attack, Athena Special. Get Merciful End.

That's it. That's the run.

Bonus points for Athena Dash

[spiral badge]

It’ll still hit hard but dash special has lower base damage than regular, and Demeters uppercut functions off of that value when it releases

[hearty mulch]

That goes for all fist weapons, really

Except Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh is "don't dash-attack"

[spiral badge]

Are gilga’s dash-uppers the same base value as their regulars?

I almost always dash-upper with fists lol, to the point where I have to remind myself not to with Dem

I take the endlag reduction over base damage all day every day. But it’s not the right play for dem’s charge

[dusky drum]

unless you get exploding upper

[spiral badge]

Unless lol

[dusky drum]

then you only dash upper for that >1k damage

[spiral badge]

Yeah there’s that asterisk

Exploding upper is just an S-tier fist hammer

[dusky drum]

a lot of the fist hammers are really good

[hearty mulch]

Upper: 90
Dash-Upper: 60 + Maim

[spiral badge]

Ah, I see

[hearty mulch]

Dash-Upper is good for Maim

Oooof

[spiral badge]

Lol bot

[naive solstice]

Do you ever get a seed so terrible you consider ending your streak just to get rid of it?

[dusky drum]

yep

like generally i power through it an at least get to hades but like

i dont like bad seeds

very not gamer

[naive solstice]

I usually power through too but this time I was legitimately bored of playing with the seed after the Furies

low rarity Zeus and low rarity Ares

disgusting

[tranquil falcon]

this run is painful

i don't get paddy

then i don't get nourished soul

no last stand in 4 athena boons

i got chaos dd but because of it lost one in furies

[misty yoke]

i have ares attack and dio special on my chaos shield. what is more important to level up, attack or special in this case ?

[tranquil falcon]

i have deadly reversal+heart rend with artemis special, deflect dash, and aphro attack