Gilgamesh + Hyper Sprint is actually insanity
#h1-builds-and-combat
thorny tide
this is really late sorry lol
I love aspect of zagreus sword and zeus shield
I heard merciful end is really good but it's kinda hard to grind for
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ME is referred to as a “highroll” build. Extreme in power, extreme in setup requirements
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I love aspect of zagreus sword and zeus shield
Put zeus attack on zag sword and zeus special on zeus shield and go have a ball
thorny tide
what do you mean extreme in setup, I can usually get the boons needed just never get me
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To be built properly, ME requires 3 whole core boons, as well as a duo
dusky drum
me over here who couldnt get zeus legendary after 3 runs of zeus
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In specific slots, nonetheless
Very picky setup requirements to build at max effectiveness
But top 3 power in the game once it’s online
thorny tide
3 core boons? I thought it was just athena/ares attack + the latter special
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Ahhhhh see there’s the trick
You can just build ME any old way, and it will be strong for you make no mistake
But to make ME, well, ME you need specific boons in specific places
Namely ares attack, athena special and athena dash
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That’s why ME can be picky to get online properly
thorny tide
athena dash op
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Not only do you need more boons than usual to set the duo up, you need them in specific slots as well
thorny tide
Yeah I get that, I've only been able to do it once
dusky drum
I love aspect of zagreus sword and zeus shield
just about anything works with zag sword with the right hammers, and i never use that shield but ik athena, zeus, any fast attack speed special, stuff of the sort
thorny tide
Well, I've got those three boons before a few times but only once I got ME
thorny tide
just about anything works with zag sword with the right hammers, and i never use...
with Zag sword I can literally get up to hades but I beat him once and can't beat him again :d
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Yup. Thats why its a hi roll
And that’s why I recommend not thinking too hard and just slapping some zeus on to get used to your weapons
dusky drum
with Zag sword I can literally get up to hades but I beat him once and can't bea...
you said youre trying to get merciful end??
thorny tide
I like it but I'm open to any other builds which are easier and as effective
thought I'd get some info here :D
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(Zeus attack)
dusky drum
i mean you could always be funny and take plum and build move/attack speed
thorny tide
I've heard Zeus boons are bad?
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Lollllllll
dusky drum
I've heard Zeus boons are bad?
depends on the weapon
like its one of the best for rail
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Find whoever said that to you, slap them, and then get their name to me so I can go slap them too
dusky drum
really good on fists
thorny tide
I think zeus boons would be bad against hades no?
dusky drum
you need fast attacks to really get use out of it
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Zeus is one of the best all-round gods in the game
A-tier kit at least in pretty much every aspect
Fast weapon, slow weapon, zeus shows up to play
dusky drum
I think zeus boons would be bad against hades no?
i wouldnt say bad, you still get the extra damage and with legendary itll be really god
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Best with faster weapons though
dusky drum
also easier to handle his casts and spawns
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Neku this isnt a drill
thorny tide
lol
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Go put zeus special on zeus shield right now
You need an education in what zeus can do
thorny tide
I've done that
dusky drum
i go zeus when i play fists or chiron ever once in a while
thorny tide
that is really fun
thorny tide
clears stuff out very quickly
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Yeah zeus/zeus is one of my favorite builds period
dusky drum
but have you put athena on zeus shield to have high damage floating reflect circle??
thorny tide
i've done that too lol
dusky drum
demeter is also an alright choice
i never play shield unless its for the darker thirst so i dont have much experience but i prefer chaos shield
thorny tide
do you guys think that boons heavily impact beating hades or it's mostly skill?
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At the skill level that you’re asking that question, it’s 100% skill
Much, much higher up in heat difficulty boon build will start to matter more
But until then it’s all on you
thorny tide
dude the first time I beat hades was so easy, I literally beat him first try when I got to him
I had way more trouble with theseus
but now he kicks my ass :d
dusky drum
like persay i was trying to build demeter cast one time, had a duo, but ditched it for atemis cast last second and beat hades with like 70hp and 0 dd's going in
its really skill
ive had good runs but i dont care about getitng hit and i lose
thorny tide
I feel like the healing hammer on zag is pretty brain dead tho
dusky drum
yea it is and more so if you get flurry blade
and the demeter healing boon
you just wont die
thorny tide
oops
dusky drum
and take hermes attack to top it all off
thorny tide
gonna try that
dusky drum
yea i forget the name of the boon but it ups all the healing you receive
no pre reqs either so thats cool
no pun intended either
dusky drum
im more eh on life affirmation
like better hearts is cool but i never take hearts unless im in elysium and have >150
or i need a quick heal
cloud vault
Hera so good tbh
cunning urchin
Fast weapon, slow weapon, zeus shows up to play
lol I don't know about slow weapon. Only good boon he has for e.g. Excalibur is Zeus' Aid.
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True, you would be more wanting his cast or aid at that point
cunning urchin
Life Affirmation is amazing. If you don't need more max HP, you can increase Heat by quite a bit.
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Also I’m watching a wiste video and it occurred to me that talos with heavy knuckle might just be better Gilgamesh 👀
cunning urchin
I don't really care for Cast on Excalibur. It's just a slot for unlocking Duo Boons.
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I’m going to have to try that out
cloud vault
It can't be straight better because you're not guaranteed the hammer and the extra dashes are unique
cunning urchin
Heavy Knuckle on Talos is pretty good depending on your Attack boon. If you go for Flood Shot, Deadly Strike is really nice to unlock Mirage Shot and goes well with Heavy Knuckle.
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Feels like it wouldn’t be as peaky as gilga
But would also be a lot better rounded
40 base damage is a damn zag shield hit
cunning urchin
and the extra dashes are unique
And suck. I'd rather have two regular dashes than 4 mini dashes.
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I’ve been allergic to heavy knuckle in the past but this wiste vid is really changing my mind
proven osprey
more dashes more passion
cunning urchin
Wriste btw. There's an r in there. 
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Ohhhhh, sorry!
obsidian kite
hmm I should play Hades spear more
I got exploding launcher, charged skewer, and like +7 Aphrodite special and I was putting out tons of damage
brazen nest
Does achilles spear work with blade rift?
proven osprey
I got exploding launcher, charged skewer, and like +7 Aphrodite special and I wa...
Heeeeey I have another spear for you
cunning urchin
Hades Aspect goes really well with Deadly Strike, too.
obsidian kite
Heeeeey I have another spear for you
I mean I normally use Guan Yu lol
I wanted to switch it up
so I went Hades and basically turned it into Guan Yu
proven osprey
The name's GY and it has a B E T T E R exploding launcher for F R E E
cunning urchin
Don't mind Astaos. He's programmed to react this way.
obsidian kite
the spin attack debuff really increased my damage output and my speed
proven osprey
Don't mind Astaos. He's programmed to react this way.
Glory to Guan Yu!
obsidian kite
I found it quite a bit faster than GY b/c a lot of times I'm slowing down to get my health back
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I didn't like zeus that much
If zeus isnt your taste posiedon or athena might be nice replacements
Particularly posiedon
obsidian kite
I died to EM4 Hades though, it was weird, I found myself getting hit a lot more than usual
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Also hunting blades Achilles is renowned for its bustedness
cunning urchin
@brazen nest Electric Shot is honestly your best choice at low heat. You could watch a speedrun with it to see how to make it work.
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<@197375702041886720> Electric Shot is honestly your best choice at low heat. Yo...
It really is. If you can’t groove to it though there are decent replacements!
drifting robin
Ive tried one electric shot run with poseidon and it was madness
cunning urchin
Any Cast build works.
brazen nest
I'll go blade rift next time
drifting robin
Although my electric shot run was at like 4 heat
So idk how it fares at high heat
cunning urchin
Just fine at high heat.
proven osprey
I found it quite a bit faster than GY b/c a lot of times I'm slowing down to get...
You can offset chip damage while enemies are spawning, otherwise indeed it will slow you down
drifting robin
Yeah with the GY spin I charge it up when enemies spawn
Then resume my special spam
obsidian kite
yeah I do that too
obsidian kite
I just need to get better and get hit less
proven osprey
Where it's huh... at your own risks
proven osprey
I just need to get better and get hit less
It really helps for GY
drifting robin
GY is a lot of fun and probably my favorite spear aspect
obsidian kite
yeah it's my favorite one too, but I had used it a bunch of times in a row and wanted to try something different
brazen nest
Blade rift might be better against bosses
drifting robin
I just need to get better and get hit less
Put on pierced butterfly to have an incentive to not get hit
obsidian kite
think I want to try to clear EM4 with every aspect
heady radish
If someone who is a mod on the monthly challenge sheet could delete my run with no heat or time info I would appreciate it
heady radish
Lol thanks
lucid ferry
👀
proven osprey
Can you explain your choice
lucid ferry
It was the talk of the day, figured I'd try it out
Didn't love it but it was a weird Arthur 11
Ended up with smoldering air poseidon call so
0 poms ended up in attack lol
Not as much fun as my super meta Eris run with scint feast+ice wine 
visual jungle
i feel very dense for only just realizing the way hunter's mark can make a sort of chain reaction of marking enemies...
lucid ferry
Literally while tyler was on the boss
half crater
oof
opal lodge
mom pom poseidon sword start is a legit meta option
half crater
get wreck us i guess
opal lodge
its the IGT world record right now
gusty rapids
are we talkin MOM POM
visual jungle
hunters mark with deadly strike is goood O_O
obsidian kite
you should try putting Artemis on whichever attack does less damage - then put Aphrodite on your main damage dealer
like Artemis special/Aphrodite attack on Arthur
that way you can activate Hunter's mark and then get Aphrodite-boosted crits
proven osprey
That's a bit clunky
Arthur's special is slow and you'd have to spam it to get the mark, then the crit is not guaranteed either
If you wanna crit go Arty on your main damage
obsidian kite
once you get it started though your peak damage output is higher
visual jungle
proven osprey
once you get it started though your peak damage output is higher
Way too slow imo. Arty's dmg output is enough, you would overkill enemies anyway
Heartbreak strike is good on Arthur tho, but I would not go for Heart rend
lone frost
Im going up against hades with mostly special buffs on the shield, and 350 hp
visual jungle
which aspect?
heady radish
This monthly challenge kinda draining
lone frost
which aspect?
Im not that far yet, so nothin
visual jungle
Im not that far yet, so nothin
oo ok, goodluck!
visual jungle
nice!!
bright wind
I was trying out Beowulf and didn't realize until after Elysium that I had completely ruined my build.
I had taken Passion Flare, not the actual cast boon, so my bullrushes were doing nothing special.
heady radish
passion flare is the cast boon?
tame bison
^^^
bright wind
I didn't know this until now, but the Flare boons replace the Cast boon
bright wind
Passion Flare is that you weaken foes around you when you cast.
What I actually wanted was Aphrodite's cast boon that changes your boon into that short-ranged weakening blast.
Crush Shot
heady radish
it still does damage
bright wind
But not at the impact of the bull rush
heady radish
ye it does do it at the bullrush
bright wind
I was only noticing the extra damage when I first was loading the cast into the shield, not on the impact.
When I bullrushed into enemies with the charged shield, they weren't getting weakened
heady radish
unless the most recent patch broke it they should weaken at bullrush
bright wind
Then it must be a bug then. I would slam into them and... nothing. Just the nice dragon effect of the bullrush, but no pink debuff effect on the victims
opal lodge
did the cast come out?
bright wind
Well I had Passion Flare and not Crush Shot, so it would've just been the standard cast hitting them.
heady radish
if you load the cast during a normal bullrush you won't get the dragon rush effect and it carries over to the next bullrush
opal lodge
i
bright wind
I didn't realize that Passion Flare takes up the "... Shot" slot in your boons
opal lodge
tyler you got this one
you cannot get crush shot on beowulf
it does not exist
it is instead replaced by passion flare
bright wind
Oh you can't, then that explains it.
tame bison
Am confused. Name is different
Name is different...
opal lodge
base damage is also modified iirc
bright wind
how would that even work
I expected the impacted enemies to be weakened and take the shot damage of Crush Shot
heady radish
they do
gusty rapids
i mean they do
opal lodge
you have to use the cast
heady radish
were you expecting it to stick in them?
opal lodge
the casts are loaded into the shield
bright wind
Right, wasn't seeing that at all. I would load the cast before the bullrush, start the bullrush, hit the enemies, and no one was weakened, when I had Passion Flare
opal lodge
that shouldnt happen
heady radish
i don't have hades loaded up but i literally never seen that
tame bison
Look harder
opal lodge
do you have a clip?
bright wind
Instead when I loaded the cast, there would be a pulse around me that would weaken enemies that were near me. That was it.
opal lodge
that also shouldnt happen
turbid needle
Show us
opal lodge
like loaded mid rush? if you loaded mid rush that is the cast
tame bison
Did you have Ares Poseidon duo? Can you even get that on Beowulf?
bright wind
Unfortunately no, and I already completed the run. Still beat Hades even with the bad build. I can try again and see if I can repeat the results.
bright wind
I loaded before the rush. I didn't even think to load during the rush
terse torrent
did you have snow burst and maybe were mistaking that for weaken?
bright wind
I did have it. If that's the case, then essentially Passion Flare was not doing anything at all
I'll start up another run with it, and try to get Aphrodite ASAP
heady radish
that would be a new bug
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Yeah. You’re describing very unusual behavior Contrivance
terse torrent
the pulse around you was snow burst, but idk why the cast wouldn't be weakening after a bull rush that is weird
opal lodge
i havent used passion flare since last week but didnt have any issues last week
bright wind
So my very first chamber I get Passion Flare... and it's working.
So either Snow Burst + Passion Flare breaks it, or having Stygian Soul breaks it, or the combination of the two?
Or it was just a very odd random bug that broke it.
opal lodge
bright wind
Because now I get a nice obvious pink burst on impact
opal lodge
this might be a dumb question
but are you sure you were hitting them
the passion flare aoe is pretty small
because i dont see why it would change from one run to the next
bright wind
I was definitely hitting them with bullrushes, I was using it a lot and trying to get used to the weapon aspect
And for me, right now, the passion flare AoE effect isn't small at all. It's a nice sized pink burst effect
terse torrent
try out Poseidon cast, then youll see how small passion flare is
turbid needle
Prob just got a random glitch then
I mean theres bound to be random glitches with how complex the boon system is
bright wind
The Passion Flare effect seems pretty big to me. I can't post a screenshot, but it looks like a 6 or 7 meter radius around Zag
heady radish
maybe screenshot the bugged run in the records room?
maybe that will generate an idea why it happened
bright wind
On the plus side, this shield aspect is far more powerful without Stygian Soul on.
How do I replay an old run?
terse torrent
with all boons you had listed
heady radish
beo with stygian soul and trippy flare is insanely powerful
opal lodge
i can try to replicate this "bug"
heady radish
you can oneshot bosses
turbid needle
Wat
terse torrent
webs vermin anyone?
heady radish
Its the most therapeutic clip in all of hades
bright wind
Man, what an evil choice. A chamber with Demeter (and I want Demeter for this build), a Hammer, and a Chaos portal (I want that too)
opal lodge
take chaos imo
opal lodge
you can force dem and hammer always shows up later
bright wind
Picked Chaos... unfortunately just resource gathering boosts
opal lodge
you roll chaos on cast weaps
keen mesa
lol, just annihilated thesus/asterius in about 10 seconds
heady radish
Thats the beo way
I'm not good at the game
I just don't have to play the final two bosses
keen mesa
That's why I'm on heat 5 -- my sword and fists I've already done 25 heat with, so with them I do the lowest heat I can just to farm darkness
oh man, Ice Wine is AMAZING
you don't throw anything anymore
it sets something down
heady radish
Ye ice wine really good on non beo and non hera
heady radish
Go kill dad!!!
jovial fulcrum
how do you post images in this channel?
I'm not trying to do that rn or anything, I'm just confused tbh
keen mesa
F11 in game to take screenshot
then locate folder
In my case: C:\Users\ignite\Documents\Saved Games\Hades\Screenshots
Then go to imgur.com and upload the screenshot, then post a link here to that screenshot
jovial fulcrum
ohhh, i forgot that discord auto embeds imgur now
haughty flint
heady radish
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285596361674457089/808026679334535198/ima...
Don't attack me like thid
This
haughty flint
i never achieved that
wait, did you?
jovial fulcrum
Sisyphus trinket run got me like
heady radish
Ye I did an em4 arthur hoarding slash kill with no boons
worn crypt
I'm glad you are back
T Y 😄
heady radish
Charged shot good
dense ginkgo
zag aspect
dense ginkgo
what is the base damage of the bull rush?
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Idk but 80 is also a hell of a lot
dense ginkgo
since it doesn't say base damage
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That’s the base value
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For the hammer shot*
dense ginkgo
idk*
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It’s base. Trust.
dense ginkgo
do you think 1 or 2 is better tho for zag?
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With aphro attack either of those will do you very well
dense ginkgo
cuz IDK what to choose
dense ginkgo
divine dash rare over divine flourish epic right? (for zag shield)
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Ehhhhh, sure
Having a reflecto Capt. America throw can be very, very useful on zag shield
But the dash is the dash
dense ginkgo
I don't like any of these
I bet you'll say middle
but it's hard for me to intentionally backstab when I am willy nilly dashing around
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No, bottom is definitely least painful
jovial fulcrum
or reroll
dense ginkgo
is it worth it to reroll chaos?
dense ginkgo
I'd think the top two hurt less
what if I get a forced gold room
or do those rooms not appear while that is active?
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Which will result in zagreus bleeding more? Not collecting ~120 gold? Or fighting ~70% more enemies for 3 rooms?
That’s the question I ask myself
dense ginkgo
this is tartarus
200% enemies means nothing
it means everything in elysium
but tartarus?
that 120 gold might be essential to beat hades
it's too early to tell
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So in different news
Trip report: Heavy Knuckle Talos feels a lot more at home in the Gilgamesh archetype than gilga itself in a lot of ways 👀
That was fun as hell
Plays like a mix between gilga and nemesis in a way. Build for heart rend and shred rooms dash attacking and meathooking
Having full-strength dash attacks is a breath of fresh air
dense ginkgo
pressure points or aid?
flat garden
Trip report: Heavy Knuckle Talos feels a lot more at home in the Gilgamesh arche...
gotta have to try that sometimes, that sounds good
i've been enjoying dem fists more than talos recently
jovial fulcrum
man, I hate the witches in asphodel
flat garden
just get divine dash omegalul
dense ginkgo
man, I hate the witches in asphodel
IKR
flat garden
if it's the witches circle, i usually go for the outer witches first
i used to go for the centre witch which was dumb
coral cave
if i get witches circle i just cry
dense ginkgo
pressure points or aid?
which do I get?
dense ginkgo
if i get witches circle i just cry
I feel you
one of the few encounters that it's so difficult to not take damage in
coral cave
which do I get?
what weapon are you using
dense ginkgo
zag shield
I have aphro atk
and a backstab chaos
though the backstab chaos doesn't trigger yet
coral cave
take her aid if you dont mind waiting for the greater call
dense ginkgo
it's still downside
coral cave
if you do just take PP
dense ginkgo
wdym the greater call?
coral cave
when her aid is fully charged
dense ginkgo
oh I never call early
coral cave
well take aid then
dense ginkgo
the fact zeus' is apparently better early hurts my brain
coral cave
zeus is good for spamming call
flat garden
zeus is good for clearing rooms, arty is good for wrecking bosses
dense ginkgo
I am so dumb, I usually even forget to call when a room is almost clear and it's like "oh I might as well"
just now lmao I beat the murder sister with only 3 call charges filling, and because I was thinking about it I new I should use them early
cuz I was DESTROYING her
yk you are doing well against her when it takes like 1 second to get her to the 2/3 mark (causing a room size change)
so
I could buy a life essence
and it wouldn't go under used
but like
I don't think I need it? lmao
I am at 121/165 and it would heal 30 hp
I am already close to max
(4/5ish but still)
so like
I don't think I need that 30 hp
dusky drum
im assuming you have maxed cthonic vital so like i wouldnt take it
dusky drum
the heal 3 hp per room
dense ginkgo
oh I do have that
but it's 2 hp cuz hell mode
which tbh is prolly a huge difference
dusky drum
oh yea i play on hell mode too
jovial fulcrum
the clutch patroclus
dense ginkgo
so
I took aphro
who should I take now for keepsake?
dusky drum
what weapon and aspect??
dense ginkgo
zag shield
coral cave
is your dash shlot filled up
dense ginkgo
already have aphro atk, athena dash, arty aid
coral cave
ok
dusky drum
ares special for the curse of longing duo??
coral cave
or maybe acorn
dusky drum
yea id go for ares
dense ginkgo
or maybe acorn
really?
coral cave
if you're scared of the heroes
dense ginkgo
why do you always assume I am actively in elysium lol
coral cave
idk
jovial fulcrum
put together the nemesis combo, wew.
Nem w/ Arty attack and Aphro Flourish. Heart Rend for damage.
I even got Cruel Thrust for kickers
coral cave
spicy
dusky drum
i always try for builds like that for nemesis but i never get it ;w;
dense ginkgo
@coral cave you agree?
or should I take from the bottom half smtn?
dense ginkgo
special BOOYA
dusky drum
nice
patent pewter
rip build if no reroll
dense ginkgo
I kept the cast and battle rage options though lol
it only changed the middle
and moved them around
and made battle rage rare
dusky drum
yea and then like elysium i would take maybe athena since you need an attack to get merciful end pre reqs filled
or acorn/blossom
dense ginkgo
doom I can imagine being so good on shield special
just throw it once
then devastate
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You’re now in a good spot for the duo too
Keep an eye out for aphro and ares boons from here on out
dusky drum
doom I can imagine being so good on shield special
yea, and with how long it takes you can just do it again and have it prock again
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Impending Doom is your best friend now as well, if you find it
jovial fulcrum
epic Mark poggers
robust anchor
poggers
dense ginkgo
tasty treats or shop?
I only have 100g so tasty treats right?
dusky drum
yea, unless you wanna roll for fighting charon
or the chance for better room choices in the shop
dense ginkgo
not beaten yet
can't fight cahron
charon*
farthest I have gotten is witnessed that the 2nd phase is when you expect him to die, and 2nd phase is WAY harder ;-;
dusky drum
lol
my best charon fight was 30s with a busted rama build
i was doing like 2k in one hit with the special setup
dense ginkgo
I should choose the one that upgrades 2 boon rarities that I already have right since my boons are all just rare or common sadly but my atk and special are aphro and ares respectively
dusky drum
i always take pom porridge
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Take the rarity upgrade in the future and roll on
dusky drum
or the guaranteed rarity
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For duos later
dense ginkgo
I also have athena dash and artemis aid
nothing else it can proc on
still don't take the 2 for the ones I have now?
spiral badge
Lots of other things that it can proc on
dusky drum
i always take poms tho
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well if that’s alllll you have your odds are better
Though I would still take option 3 and go
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Aaaaand there it is
dense ginkgo
forced cuz her room
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Impending doom is what you’re after
dusky drum
yea
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Duo is also possible
dusky drum
you just need a way to set weak and curse and its open
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ehhhhhh
dusky drum
its eh tbh
coral cave
curse of longing kinda meh
dusky drum
half damage is nice but gets low super fast
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Which is that it keeps PS online pretty much permanently
Which is its main use to me
dense ginkgo
PS?
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Damage of the duo itself tapers off
dusky drum
Which is that it keeps PS online pretty much permanently
mhm, thats the main reason its good
priviledged status
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But keeping PS online forever is great
dense ginkgo
I don't have the mirror upgrade
dusky drum
damn
dense ginkgo
so is it useless then
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well that’s a problem
dusky drum
still nice tho
dense ginkgo
I just have the +5% per god
dusky drum
ah, i like family fav but ive come to like ps more
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FF for Artemis, PS for everything else
patent pewter
FF for speedruns
hearty elbow
So... classic question. What does Parting Shot do?
coral cave
your cast gets bacstab damage
dusky drum
I just have the +5% per god
but you might be able to go for merciful end, thats a good duo
dense ginkgo
got curse of longing
coral cave
which is great if you're running hera crush shot
dusky drum
nice
barren otter
So... classic question. What does Parting Shot do?
you get +35% to all your backstab damage and it allows your cast to backstab.
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Also parting shot has a universal backstab % increase
dusky drum
which is great if you're running hera crush shot
ok how the hell do you use hera crush shot, ive tried and the cast never hits them
hearty elbow
I know what it literally says, but it can be intepreted so many ways.
coral cave
ok how the hell do you use hera crush shot, ive tried and the cast never hits th...
aim at the enemies 4Head
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Parting shot would make so, so much more sense if they flip-flopped the description sentences
hearty elbow
So follow up question, does it have any interactions with Slicing Shot? Or only if their back is turned to the blades
barren otter
it probably doesn't do anything with trippy shot and slicing shot
dusky drum
yea i dont think those can backstab
jovial fulcrum
just finished that nemesis run I was talking about.
like 74% crit on the final hit of the Attack combo
coral cave
i did like 3k damage to ||hades|| with the hera parting shot
jovial fulcrum
not counting mark
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Seeded another heavy knuckle talos run
jovial fulcrum
w/ mark its 158 crit or something lol
dense ginkgo
aphrodite or shop now?
I got 275 gold
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It’s a good day
jovial fulcrum
nice
dense ginkgo
ok
jovial fulcrum
are you running a nemesis thing too, Aurash
jovial fulcrum
i c
dusky drum
im not a fan of talos
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It honestly feels like it does Gilga better than Gilga in a lot of ways lol
jovial fulcrum
I'd want the flourish and strike swapped in that case, but still a great start
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Kind of plays like nemesis too
In that your DPS goes through the roof using a dash strike combo
dense ginkgo
lmao I got 11 health I bet you I am gonna lose my first DD at the end of the boss
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Whereas gilga’s dash strikes are terrible
dense ginkgo
coral cave
2nd
dense ginkgo
btw legend is not possible yet
coral cave
1st and 3rd are terrible
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2 is damn good
jovial fulcrum
For a while I thought Life Affirmation was healing, not max hp and I was like "why"
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LIFE AFFIRMATION
dense ginkgo
is it not?
coral cave
centaur hearts give you more max health
dense ginkgo
oh ok
dusky drum
and epic life affirmation is very nice
mighty ermine
jovial fulcrum
affirmation is totally mac hp.
It makes darkness give you 7 max hp and centaur hearts give 32(?)
dense ginkgo
LMAO
I lost the DD the first attack the hydra did
big oop
whatever
I should have taken that 30 earlier I think lmao
dusky drum
affirmation is totally mac hp.
It makes darkness give you 7 max hp and centaur h...
yea about
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yea, a patroclus would be ebic
or
athena
she has dd replenish boons
and you can maybe set up merciful end
yea id take athena trinket
dusky drum
the gamer way
dense ginkgo
which keepsake do I take now?
BTW I only have 1 more boon that the nectar will boost
so upgraded athena?
dusky drum
hes saved me more than once
i love him, except when i grab jerky instead of hydralite on accident
then im mad
coral cave
jerky is good
patent pewter
LOL
coral cave
although he seems to appear whenever i dont need him
patent pewter
I grabbed jerky on Eris before
coral cave
and vice versa
dusky drum
which keepsake do I take now?
BTW I only have 1 more boon that the nectar will b...
but yea athena is probably best choice
hearty elbow
Wow, that was the most parts of the buffalo I've used in a while lol. Started Conch Shell on Eris for a meme Sea Storm run, but ended up with this Slicing Shot, Mirage Shot, Vicious Cycle build that used Aphrodite's Aid to lock down bosses to instantly delete them.
dense ginkgo
maybe twice
coral cave
when i have max health and max dd's pattys like 'wassup'
dense ginkgo
the minimum to be able to get his keepsake
dusky drum
Wow, that was the most parts of the buffalo I've used in a while lol. Started C...
niiiice
coral cave
when i have no dd's and am a gust of wind away from death patty just 
dusky drum
he's never useless tho, i love how they handled patty and achilles
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No
dense ginkgo
or is top really good for shield?
dusky drum
id say top
dense ginkgo
not mid
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Mid opens up hermes legendary
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But top is probably more immediately useful
dusky drum
like bottom would be nice if it wasnt arty call
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I would take top myself
coral cave
id say 1st since you have pulverizing blow
dense ginkgo
I am in elysium, so probably a dumb dream to have
coral cave
and its not good if youre not doing a cast run anyways
jovial fulcrum
coral cave
nice
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How did you only get one boon to show up 👀
coral cave
its scripted
jovial fulcrum
idk
coral cave
the legendary will always just be the one boon
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Probably the best boon in the game tbh
jovial fulcrum
I feel like I've seen legendaries with other stuff before
jovial fulcrum
oh, I thought you meant in general
dense ginkgo
I get the first time being scripted
but why all times?
do I take upgraded centaur (cuz it has +40ish% or smtn) or a pom?
coral cave
do I take upgraded centaur (cuz it has +40ish% or smtn) or a pom?
how low is your health
jovial fulcrum
YO WTF
If you hold Dash and Attack down at the same time w/ Gilgamesh you just go ham
dense ginkgo
128/177
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heart
dense ginkgo
imo pretty low
dusky drum
for sure
coral cave
take the health
dusky drum
at this late in the game and 1 dd you need health
coral cave
you will get trashed
hearty elbow
YO WTF
If you hold Dash and Attack down at the same time w/ Gilgamesh you just g...
It's to prevent carpal tunnel
dusky drum
its a solid heal and max hp bonus as well as making dd better
jovial fulcrum
that's awesome
dense ginkgo
36 is what it is now
athena or hermes?
athena guaranteed has yet to happen btw
so this athena will happen soon either way
dusky drum
athena, go for athena
you need dds
you get a hermes in styx if you odnt have at least 2 i thnk
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id just go for athena, dds are very necessary unless youre a god gamer
dense ginkgo
parting shot or deathless stand?
I don't use casts usually but I have a backstab chaos
and I'd start using casts for parting shot
worn crypt
Do you have a DD to replenish?
dense ginkgo
yes
worn crypt
I would take that instead
dense ginkgo
id just go for athena, dds are very necessary unless youre a god gamer
what do you think?
dusky drum
go for deathless stand
casts arent that amazing besides boiling blood and cast builds
and at this point you might not get patty
so just to be safe
idk how confident on theseus and asterius you are
dense ginkgo
I'm eh
with shield if I stop going rambo and actually start blocking during them I might not lose a DD
jovial fulcrum
dusky drum
ah, id go with dd replenish anyway
jovial fulcrum
Might have been my fastest meg kill yet
dense ginkgo
2nd hammer, another athena, or chaos
jovial fulcrum
with no attack or flourish lol
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hammer
you only get 2 and idk how they work in styx
and 2dds sholud be enough to take you through the rest of the run
dense ginkgo
the game always gives you two
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https://i.imgur.com/UjyR3NY.png
and geez
patent pewter
Might have been my fastest meg kill yet
where's the in-game timer 😂
dense ginkgo
it tries really hard
jovial fulcrum
idk how to turn that on
dense ginkgo
in styx it will appear if not already gotten, you just are supposed to take that path
dusky drum
then def athena
jovial fulcrum
I mean the fight itself though, it was less than a minute.
dusky drum
roll for another dd replenish
patent pewter
timer in settings
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I mean the fight itself though, it was less than a minute.
my fastest was like 20-30 seconds i think
rama is crazy
dense ginkgo
will athena give multiple dd replenish?
dusky drum
yea she has 2 dd boons, one for iframes and another for more base healing
dusky drum
oof
dense ginkgo
it could be him
dense ginkgo
wdym ball?
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butterfly ball
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ah, well bull is easier tbh
dense ginkgo
bull def will be easier if I block though, when usually it is sorta difficult
dusky drum
ball needs really good awareness and a good dps
dense ginkgo
so still take athena?
dense ginkgo
I think with shield I could not lose a DD to bull
and it lowers his health for boss
but
IDR for butterfly orb
hearty elbow
Lol, I'm on a roll with these frankenstein combo runs. Sea Storm + Curse of Drowning
dense ginkgo
I'll do miniboss
dusky drum
butterfly orb is a pain if you cant kill it in sub 10 seconds
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Lol, I'm on a roll with these frankenstein combo runs. Sea Storm + Curse of Dro...
nice
dense ginkgo
AAAAUGH
there was a shop I missed that was adjacent to the chaos, I saw it AFTER I activated the door
also I got butterfly
dusky drum
oof
well good luck
focus on the souls once they spawn
and hit ball when you get the chance
dusky drum
damn, it do be like that sometimes
honestly ball is one of if not the hardest base miniboss if you arent ready
dusky drum
i would
none of those are too great anyway
and who knows if you get patty too then take dd or hydralite
jovial fulcrum
i found a use for the fishing boon
dense ginkgo
base
dusky drum
hmmm, maybe. if you get to hades then sure footing would be nice
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since the pots are considered traps
yea
what spammy said
probably sure footing since you dont have any easy way to get casts back
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/808189063185956914/Had...
nice
slim lynx
if you take phalanx shot then you can get dds back from athena after losing them
ah yes, heart rend
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I feel silly having overlooked heavy knuckle all this time
slim lynx
i gotta start running fo1
dusky drum
yea fo1 is ez
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that really is a sporty Gilga alternative
slim lynx
heavy knuckle feels clunky
dense ginkgo
213 max hp
do I take +36 health room or pom?
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but think of it less like regular fists and more like Gilga 2.0 with Talos and it's surprisingly effective 👀
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213 max hp
do I take +36 health room or pom?
ummmm id say hp
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Saw a run Wriste did that got me onto this kick
dusky drum
on 1 dd you need as much as you can get
slim lynx
one dd?? damn i really hope you took phalanx shot in that case
dusky drum
she has dash and got one of those already
dense ginkgo
got a fountain
healed to near full
so the pom wasn't a bad accident
dusky drum
oh nice
coral cave
nice
dense ginkgo
I am on chamber 31 rn
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Top is already tapering off and bottom is all but worthless to Pom
dusky drum
yea mid
dense ginkgo
387g
100 more or another pom?
dusky drum
hmmmm, money
can spend more and thats always great
and if charon has more hearts in styx
dense ginkgo
and if charon has more hearts in styx
so true
dusky drum
and youre kinda at a point where going for poms is a bit more eh
i generally stop getting poms late since i have too many boons to upgrade what i want
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I’d still try to get one more Pom into doom if it comes your way
jovial fulcrum
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no real choice there
jovial fulcrum
dusky drum
id go for athena cuz why not
and if you get a lvl 2 from her and set up for legendary thats epic
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but hammer is also really good so you do you
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https://i.imgur.com/NKReM3P.png
its a good thing zagreus never makes it far out of the underworld, otherwise word might spread about how bad Death is at his job lol
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what's your call again?
slim lynx
how many souls does thanatos actually get outside of his encounters with zagreus?
dusky drum
bottom maybe
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probably bottom?
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call, not cast
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how many souls does thanatos actually get outside of his encounters with zagreus...
None at the rate he collects them. No wonder Sisyphus juked his pasty ass
dusky drum
then yea id take bottom
you already have reflect with dash and the cast wont be major
jovial fulcrum
man that was an ebic Champions fight. I'll have to IR it and post it
dense ginkgo
store
or chamber 35 aphro?
slim lynx
proud bearing is definitely a good boost for arty's aid
dense ginkgo
just under 600 gold
coral cave
Shop
dusky drum
yea and its probably pre boss room
dense ginkgo
dusky drum
idk chamber numbers
dense ginkgo
it is pre boss
dusky drum
nice, my instincts are Perfect for those rooms
dusky drum
if you get athena in styx
coral cave
Blinding is OK for back stab damage since you have the chaos thing already
dusky drum
but thats too risky tbh so yea id say 1
dense ginkgo
I also got a heal and heart
so this shop was good (I was literally like 2% health)
dusky drum
nice
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Parting shot at least buys you backstab
Which should be decent for shield
Cast would be a good damage upgrade
coral cave
Blinding is good here since you have the chaos backstab thing
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Or that
coral cave
It's just more backstab damage
dense ginkgo
parting shot is good for the same reason
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yeah true blinding is better at that point
You’re not really in a position to take advantage of the cast advantage
And blinding is offering more % right now
dense ginkgo
and the multipliers are additive why would it be better cuz of that
dusky drum
and blinding sets up legendary
coral cave
Your cast is like base cast sint it
dense ginkgo
yes
slim lynx
blinding also triggers p. status which is cool
coral cave
She doesn't have ps
dense ginkgo
and I already have ares aphro duo anyways
dusky drum
i mean if you take cast you can get ares athena duo but thats asking for to much rng
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I dont think she can?
ME is specific to attack and special
Do you have athena attack?
No, you have aphro
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well there it is
dusky drum
oh i thought it was any attack with deflect and anything that procks curse
huh
ill have to look at it again ig
dense ginkgo
time to get an ambrosia
cuz I have yet to beat them with shield
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no worries
hearty elbow
Couldn't actually see what was happening anymore, kind of just kept my shield up and assumed things were dying very quickly around me.
jovial fulcrum
yooo, just got a 25 minutes run. My fastest yet
dense ginkgo
I died died with mino dead and jerk at 10%
hearty elbow
Yeah done that million times 😦 Something about him by himself just makes my brain fart and get mega greedy
dense ginkgo
of all of them why poison
hearty elbow
Demeter is by far my least favorite, yeah
dusky drum
locks off so much of the arena
jovial fulcrum
mfw the replay got corrupted
😔
rip hades fight
At least i clipped the theseus fight on a different replay
dusky drum
well gn yall, i need sleep
coral cave
Wow those are all terrible lol
dense ginkgo
chaos common special increase
coral cave
Dio call is least terrible I guess
dense ginkgo
and that is it
coral cave
You could roll too
coral cave
I'd say roll
