my first clear was around 25th attempt
#h1-builds-and-combat
limber cloak
full snow
Oh, shoot, I should be using TD then. I'm fairly consistently under 36 minutes now.
drifting robin
Oh, shoot, I should be using TD then. I'm fairly consistently under 36 minutes n...
Yeah td is easy heat
brazen nest
Ok, I'll try to be faster
coral cave
39th attempt 
limber cloak
took me like 40 mins because i took a break in between to grab some snacks and didnt pause the game lol
brazen nest
Granted I spend a lot of time choosing things
limber cloak
you can pause the game while choosing
coral cave
You can pause while choosing
limber cloak
it pauses the timer
brazen nest
Oh
dense remnant
my heat from 1-6 is basically just TD, or however much heat it gives u
with every weapon
full snow
The in game timer pauses for boon selection, time between floors, and on the pause menu.
brazen nest
Didn't know that
full snow
(but not while looking at your boons with B!)
limber cloak
it does pause while using the codex
drifting robin
I normally put on hard labour 1
brazen nest
There are some rooms that I'm bad, like bow and shield shades
brazen nest
So I take my time
limber cloak
There are some rooms that I'm bad, like bow and shield shades
shield shades are just tough enemies lol
brazen nest
I'm super lame against hades tho, super lame
limber cloak
its fine, youll get better over time
dense remnant
have u guys tried a poseidon special on talos gloves?
brazen nest
I live,but it takes forever for him to go down
dense remnant
it's hilarious
drifting robin
yoyo build
limber cloak
dont feel pressured by everyone else's efforts
random hull
The good old yank and yeet.
limber cloak
yank and yeet lmaoo
full snow
I stack EM3, then grab for Calesthinics, MM1, FO1, then start adding HL
drifting robin
dont feel pressured by everyone else's efforts
Yeah just keep progressively trying to get better
limber cloak
em3 is weird
limber cloak
id rather go em2 + td1/2+ mm + hard labor 1 or LC 1 if the heat requires one more
drifting robin
id rather go em2 + td1/2+ mm + hard labor 1 or LC 1 if the heat requires one mor...
Thats what I use
brazen nest
Also I'm getting good at not dieing too much
full snow
Now they don't phase me much. Once I figured out the pattern Theseus is less annoying in the chariot, and I just focus down Asterius fast then turn on Theseus.
limber cloak
Now they don't phase me much. Once I figured out the pattern Theseus is less ann...
getting used to the EM's is defo good, but still there are easier pacts
devout trellis
Is blizzard shot a good cast?
brazen nest
But also really lame
limber cloak
no poseidon is flood
drifting robin
Meme beam
brazen nest
Crystal beam is lame carry
devout trellis
Poseidon with Demeter
full snow
But it's so fun with Artimis duo boon. LAZERS
limber cloak
poseidon and dem, never tried that one
drifting robin
But it's so fun with Artimis duo boon. LAZERS
yep
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Blizzard shot is overrated don’t @ me
brazen nest
I love crystal shot
drifting robin
Blizzard shot is overrated don’t @ me
It is good with the duo boon
full snow
Is that the slow explosind cast?
proven osprey
Blizzard is a duo
drifting robin
Otherwise it is trash
devout trellis
Yeah, I want to give it a try since I had spear bonus this time
brazen nest
Cast 3 times, hide
proven osprey
amazing with Talos
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Yeah. The duo. Overrated. Haven’t ever been able to get it to do much for me it seems
Dont know what I’m missing
proven osprey
You're missing ping pong blizzard shot Talos
drifting robin
I got crystal beam one time in a guan yu run(All of dems other things were bad) and I got mirage shot
brazen nest
Guys, hear me out, favorite gods? I'm leaning towards hermes
limber cloak
hermes isnt technically in the game logic a god
brazen nest
Hermes or ares with a hint of artemis
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Dio
full snow
Dion for sure
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Chad God Best God
drifting robin
sounds like your cooking them
flat garden
hermes' purple cast legendary is my favourite
full snow
Or Than but I assumed you meant the gameplay ones
limber cloak
dio is worst god dont @ me
brazen nest
Gameplay ye
drifting robin
zeus
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Who the hell picks gods for boons and not lively conversation
drifting robin
Eris gang
brazen nest
Design is artemis for me
limber cloak
dio is good god in terms of chadness
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🙄🙄
brazen nest
Personality definitely dio
drifting robin
dio is good god in terms of chadness
Dio is ultimate chad
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Dio canonically hates Theseus and is therefore Coolest God Eternal
brazen nest
Artemis and dio banter over zagreus is hilarious
full snow
For gameplay I'm addicted to Athena boons. Never a full build, but Divine Dash is in like 50% of my clears.
limber cloak
i wanna see theseus' VA on some stream or something
brazen nest
Divine dash is just op
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Throwin parties
limber cloak
like how aphro's VA appeared on haelian's stream and hermes cup
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Madlad
full snow
Demeter reminds me of my fiance's grandmother in an unflattering way. XD
brazen nest
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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If you’ve ever watched downton abbey you instantly loved demeter
Or GoT for that matter
brazen nest
I loved the touch that she's the last to reveal herself
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You think the Ice Queen Cares?
tranquil falcon
feels weird to use reg special after doing so many guan yu attempts
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Ice Queen Gives No Please dont delete my message mr bot
limber cloak
aurash im mad at you for reminding me of GoT
tranquil falcon
hell feels weird to have more than 50 health
limber cloak
but now that i do compare it, yeah
she is a bit of a chad in that matter
also she literally used malphon
to beat her ancestor's
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Tell the Mortals it was Me. I want them to know.
brazen nest
I'm liking this demeter vibe
limber cloak
Tell the Mortals it was Me. I want them to know.
peak of the show lol
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Show ended in my mind after that scene
brazen nest
Hot take, got last 4 seasons were crap
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GoT is the life, times and death of Geoffery Baratheon as far as I’m concerned
limber cloak
Hot take, got last 4 seasons were crap
last 2 mostly
eitherway this is a hades channel and i dont wanna be reminded of GoT anymore
brazen nest
I'm a Martell fanboy, so from 5 onward it was awful
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Agreed
brazen nest
I'm finished now
turbid needle
hello
flat garden
if you have lightning rod and greater recall does it still trigger lightning even when the collectible is being swooped up to you
robust anchor
hello
flat garden
yeah thats what i thought
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Protip: lightning rod is worth 400 gold
flat garden
sad combo
flat garden
much prefer the recall than the lightning
does it even scale
i mean, get propped up by other lightning boons
brazen nest
Ah, favorite aid?
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Great apart, doodoo together
flat garden
yeah def
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Lightning rod is the poor mans scint feast
flat garden
i was just curious
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Dont let people hate on it
turbid needle
I like Poseidons aid
tranquil falcon
bruh
robust anchor
me too
tranquil falcon
i'm doing a posiedon call build
cast*
and i have seen EVERY SINGLE GOD
except for demeter and artemis
robust anchor
uh oh spaghetti os
turbid needle
yeah theyre the last to appear
tranquil falcon
wdym last to appear
tranquil falcon
....i'm not starting out though
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Order-ish
tranquil falcon
so why does that matter
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Then you need to light some candles to RNGesus
turbid needle
Bc the game is built like that
tranquil falcon
yeah but i'm literally not starting out
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Well let’s define terms here
turbid needle
ok
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How many runs in are you, exactly?
tranquil falcon
around 130
flat garden
i think they mean in the run they're running
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Candles it is
tranquil falcon
yep
flat garden
not as in, the entire savefile
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Make sure you put a napkin underneath so you dont get wax everywhere
turbid needle
hm
flat garden
there's only 4 gods in the pool in every run
you can force the other 3 to appear wih their keepsakes tho
but only once
flat garden
at least that's how i think it works. not too sure.
turbid needle
I misunderstood
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No that’s it
robust anchor
yes thats how it works
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That’s a good 25-word description
tranquil falcon
at least that's how i think it works. not too sure.
yeah i'm pretty sure that's how it works
robust anchor
but did u know hermes is not included in the 4 gods count 😳
flat garden
thanks for the reassurance yeah
tranquil falcon
but by seeing them i mean like on the choices
limber cloak
if you have 4 gods in asphodel already for example, and you force another god in
turbid needle
i dont like hermes oop
tranquil falcon
like i took poseidon and athena
limber cloak
your god pool becomes diluted
tranquil falcon
then i had an option for aphrodite
then the miniboss was either dio or zeus
and after that i saw ares in shop
flat garden
hermes is doin his own thing so i get why they made him different
tranquil falcon
so that's all the gods except for the two gods i need
turbid needle
the power
flat garden
then he would be forced to talk with the olympians
which is something i think he'd rather not do lol
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I didn't know that thing of 4 gods
If you are ever building with something particular in mind you generally want to lock that pool and your 4 “core” slots up ASAP into a run
In a broad sense, it helps the game shift gears and “decide” to start feeding you more powerful things
brazen nest
So early keepsakes are good
tranquil falcon
asdklghdlsfkg
crap
what do i take
chaos
do i take the legendary
or do i take 70% cast damage
i really want the cast damage
doing poseidon+ achilles spear
but i'm doing EM4
and this is my second run of EM4 ever
so i also want the DD for safety
screw it legendary
limber cloak
stop flooding the chat lol
tranquil falcon
i see orange boon i take orange boon
i mean it's not like anyone else has talked in 15 minutes
flat garden
whats the optimum build for eris?
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Yeah also posiedon dash
flat garden
really?
drifting robin
yes
flat garden
never would've thought zeus on attack
drifting robin
Rocket + cluster are the best hammers
flat garden
what's proc
drifting robin
Yes you get the eris buff almost immediately with rocket
flat garden
ah, rocket works with cluster?
drifting robin
oh yeahhhh
limber cloak
also play eris like a meelee weapon @flat garden
especially if you have poseidon dash
play very close to enemies
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Zeus on rail attack is the recommended build in this game to the point of being blasé
limber cloak
imagine that you dont have the range at all
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It’s really the only weapon/boon combo in the game with such a unipolar answer
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The best rail builds in general 95% of the time are just zeus attack builds with flavor
limber cloak
and hence good for speed runs
drifting robin
The best rail builds in general 95% of the time are just zeus attack builds with...
Super soaker has entered the chat
That has to be one of my favorite builds
limber cloak
dio has entered the chat
drifting robin
Hmm
I really dislike dio for his boons
Like I put dio on special for chiron and almost hit the deadline
I was 20 seconds away when I beat hades
It feels so underwhelming
limber cloak
i hate dio boons too tbh
the only decent dio builds i like are lucy, and dio cast builds
drifting robin
I once had a 16 minute clear time with super soaker and I thought lucy was slow
fervent elbow
At least you can sell dio boons with UC on.
abstract jasper
what are the good boons for fist with aspect of talos?
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Zeus/dio/dem attack
Aphro special is probably the safest choice but you could take any good % boon. Doom is also an A-tier choice for special
And hard recommend aphro cast for talos
brazen nest
Hestia or Zag spread fire?
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zag spread fire for the lols
drifting robin
zag spread fire
abstract jasper
And hard recommend aphro cast for talos
okay thanks 
drifting robin
Insanely fun
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Hestia is better probably but zag shotgun is one of the most fun picks in this game
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Oh yeah
Get zag first
It will be very reliable for you
Zag is the a-10 warthog
Eris is the fighter jet
Hestia is the long range bomber
And Lucy is the weird experimental rail cannon on a navy ship lol
Though honestly thats more hestia now that I think about it
Lucy is DARPA’s attempt at a ghostbusters laser
limber cloak
im getting hecked by rng rn
got a good ME gilgamesh build with natural athena in tart
got ME in asphodel
was on pb pace
tranquil falcon
does blizzard shot still knockback
limber cloak
and now the 4/5 sack is ruining the run
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tranquil falcon
does blizzard shot still work with stuff like sea storm
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Sea storm works like this: If it gets knocked back, it’s getting hit by lightning
tranquil falcon
yea ik
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Idk about blizz shot specifically, but sea storm is very indiscriminate
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wish I could be of more use to you 😦
I wouldn’t bet my life on it
Blizz shot is more of an AOE cast than a knockback cast at that point
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okay thanks <a:aliathumbsup:666009253496094720>
One thing that popped into my head: building talos like that is great but it has one weakness, which is that you have no effective range outside of point blank. If you find the Hammer Long Knuckle I really recommend it for this, as it gives you a little range to engage foes more safely when you need to. Most importantly, the range gives you a safe way of dealing with flame wheels in elysium that you don’t have otherwise. Without it you have to rely solely on dashing to avoid damage from them when playing Talos
Aphro cast’s T2 perk can also serve this role, though less reliably
random hull
As far as I know, the front projectile of Blizzard Shot has knockback, whereas the whirls don't.
tranquil falcon
lmao this run is dumb
blizzard shot, mirage shot, sea storm, lightning rod, second wave
and i'm set up for Zeus legendary in styx hopefully
limber cloak
what other zeus boons do you have
tranquil falcon
high voltage double strike
and the call
i wanted to take poseidon dash
but every single time i got poseidon
i got the duos
suffering from success
i even took a trial
to not get duos
and guess what
i got the legendary
tranquil falcon
nooooo
this is gonna take so long
i can't keep up with theseus
the casts are too slow
naive solstice
theseus or shipeus?
tranquil falcon
actually wait i could do lightning rod
shipeus
i mean it's not really a ship it's a chariot
but
naive solstice
run in front of him, that makes him slow down iirc
unless it's the minigun charge then uhh don't
tranquil falcon
also i got epic rare crop lmaoo
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Like I said, I find blizz shot very overrated
coral cave
Crystal beam is doodoo
naive solstice
blizz shot is acceptable
tranquil falcon
^
it's not like "you get this you win"
but it works
probably because my build has 4 duos and a legendary
naive solstice
but absolutely horrid for any run that includes hermes plum, tight deadline or the pact that makes enemies faster
tranquil falcon
eh
it's not that bad for tight deadline
i have tight deadline level 2
and i still have 9 minutes going into styx
turbid needle
I love blizzard shot
tranquil falcon
realistically i would actually have around 12
but i forgot that time still passes when looking at your boons
so i wasted a bunch of time
naive solstice
lmao
it's too unreliable for me so I pick any Demeter boon but her cast if I need to go fast
tranquil falcon
^
naive solstice
if you get rooms full of enemies that jump, fly or dig, that's a lot of time lost
tranquil falcon
see this build IS good (provided you get mirage shot, blizzard shot, sea storm, and lightning rod of course)
turbid needle
Most of my escapes r with it
tranquil falcon
NOOOOOO
i didn't get zeus legendary
smh
if i did then i would have gotten like close to maximum duos/legendary with the 4 gods
only missing cold fusion
crystal clarity doesn't count
tranquil falcon
i mean
yeah
i want to get huge catch just so i can easily sell it for the achievment
because all the other legendarys i don't wanna sell
YOOO
i got tidal dash
now i get double sea storm dash lmaoo
there's still a hermes boon in styx
this would be perfect if i got greater reflex
LMAOOO
I DIDNT GET GREATER REFLEX I GOT GREATER RECALL
extra legendary lets gooooo
greater recall is counterintuitive with lightning rod but I DONT CARE
oh lightning rod works when the casts are in midair
from recall
flat garden
aw. i died to dad's stupid green wave he does whenever he switched phases.
that was stupid of me.
tranquil falcon
aaand we did it
my strategy was literally just hold down right click and occasionally special
because of flurry cast
flat garden
i think this was a pretty solid buid for my first ever try at battling dad
explosive upper aside what's the other best hammer for fists
tranquil falcon
i feel like you probably could have taken 1 level of damage control there
flat garden
i do not like dc
tranquil falcon
you're using fists
flat garden
it messes up my flow
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they do have a bit of a point
Not with arty necessarily but with zeus fists for instance even DC2 is basically free
Definitely not a pact for every build, though
flat garden
i guess with an epic lightning storm it would be better
but i still think it's kinda eh to how i play fists
can't believe my downfall was HS
the green wave thing counts as a trap right
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No, that’s very believable
You are much braver than I for ever touching that pact
Considering its heat value
drifting robin
ooh you probably shouldnt
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A stalwart champion of the emperor
flat garden
just knock em into the magma after i leave them with a bit of health and bye-bye
it's all rly a matter of preference for me
drifting robin
Asphodel is generally easier at high heat(easier than tartarus and elysium imo)
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It kind of really is running a knife’s edge with your own livelihood for only one heat 🙈
tranquil falcon
ok zag shotgun time
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But your game is your game
flat garden
i live for the thrill
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Artemis?
tranquil falcon
chaos
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Ah
Well I can’t emphasize it harder than hell yes or the bot will get mad
So that will have to do
tranquil falcon
oop
common attack
but epic dash strike
do i just take the dash strike from arty
tranquil falcon
yessss
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Take the money and live to fight another day
If Aphrodite shows up you’re in ****** business
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Careful of expending your mag too quick
tranquil falcon
yea ik
tranquil falcon
hold on i have a really stupid idea
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Unless theres something else great there
tranquil falcon
there's a demeter as well
do i go for rare crop dash
this is incredibly stupid but if it works
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Ooooooof
Compounding yolos on yolos
You do you homie, may the heart of the cards be with you
tranquil falcon
OMG
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Well you need to take a trip to vegas soon
tranquil falcon
yea
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I would probably want dash more
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There are much worse decisions
turbid needle
I am
cloud vault
Give it a shot, what's the worst that can happen
still vortex
any tips on what 32 heat should look like?
robust anchor
look at #h1-high-heat-strategies pinned messages
cloud vault
EM3, BP2, TD3, MM, UC, LC4, FO2
I think it adds up to 32 exactly (if it doesn't add CF1 or 2, or DC1/2)
Some aspects can do DC2 AP1
heady radish
So I just need to get a 26 heat run to barrel roll if I understand?
heady radish
Loosely using the term yes
naive solstice
In terms of game rules for scaling keepsakes and boons, does Charon boss fight count as an encounter?
cloud vault
I think so
cosmic citrus
guys, flood flare (beowulf Poseidon cast) – does it work with sea storm?
can’t see yellow numbers on hit
sonic ember
it should
cosmic citrus
hm weird
I’m so bummed by this, build comes out rather well, but...
looks like it doesn’t knock back, though a description says that it should
slim lynx
how would yall rate lightning phalanx + mirage shot
arctic leaf
So I got curse of drowning for the first time. It was on a hidden shield run. Very disappoint.
Am I missing something? When is it actually good? I could maybe see talos doom fist?
arctic leaf
I was really just trying to finish the fate list. I had to go out of my way to put it on the build, and immediately hated the mechanics.
I just hadn’t found a boon that seemed so incredibly unimpressive though.
So I was wondering if I’m just not using it correctly.
stable sigil
It's weird how some duo boons are good enough to structure your run around (merciful end) and some are dookie trash (curse of drowning, demeter/aphro duo)
drifting robin
It's weird how some duo boons are good enough to structure your run around (merc...
I think curse of drowning is good with aspect of poseidon
arctic leaf
But I was looking for that duo specifically to finish the fated list and it just felt horrible once I had it.
drifting robin
ok
misty turret
lol half the duos i were missing were weird stuff that required things i usually dont grab
e.g. curse of drowning or like anything involving ares cast
arctic leaf
I’m confused. Maybe it works different as an actual cast, but as the flare it just made me pulse. So no imbedded stones. Isn’t imbedding stones the pos aspect’s thing?
stable sigil
Does curse of drowning get stuck in enemies like other casts?
arctic leaf
With with the shield, it just made me pulse three times
arctic leaf
So I the. Had to stick close to the enemies.
So yeah.
I’ll YouTube it and see what jawless Paul and helian have to say. They might have found a way to make it work.
drifting robin
sonic ember
Aspect of Zeus shield with Artemis Special
i thought of doing this
sonic ember
i ended up doing a hangover build
naive solstice
and somehow won with no effort
sonic ember
- nausea curse or whatever that duo with Aris is called
naive solstice
that thing is genuinely hilarious
Asterius and Shipeus had that thing trained on them as they chased me
didn't have to do anything
sonic ember
lol
opal lodge
artemis special on zeus shield is very strong
a popular speedrunning build is to run that with aphro attack
big crits
sonic ember
my last run was like.. Achilles with Slicing shot + haunting blades
which is.. dumb
achilles is way too fun for no reason
tranquil falcon
flurry jab zeus attack tidal dash sea storm and epic greatest reflex
i came in ready for a zeus cast build and now it's dashy zappy
aaand second wave
crap
phase 3 only 20 health with 1 dd
aaand the lasers sniped me
warped stag
.<
tranquil falcon
i was so close
undone sparrow
tips for Luci?
heady radish
Get barrel-rolled on my lunchbreak @proven osprey
woven crater
Just left lernie with 1 hp
And no SD left, of course
And max LC so the next elysium room is still potentially scary
drifting robin
Atleast you got sd in the elysium chamber
drifting robin
tips for Luci?
Pos attack and try and get seastorm
Pos on dash as well
You can clear rooms really easily and one of my favorite builds
woven crater
Question: How do trial of the gods boon swaps work
I have an arty/aphro room, and I want deadly strike, but I went aphro first and have epic heartbreak strike in the first slot - will that always be a swap?
slim lynx
what is it with the dumbest meme builds somehow being some of the strongest in this game
woven crater
As in, will I always be offered heroic deadly strike after this, or do I have a chance to reduce my odds of getting it
drifting robin
what is it with the dumbest meme builds somehow being some of the strongest in t...
Super soaker?
woven crater
Super soaker is insane
slim lynx
you're telling me arty special on zeus/lucifer melts through bosses??? deadass????
drifting robin
I like zeus special
drifting robin
They turn into proximity mines that blow up when enemies walk on them
or near them
slim lynx
does hellfire automatically trigger upon contact with an enemy or does it still need to be hit with an attack
kind finch
i think enemy contact procs it
woven crater
I've got the best crit build I think I've ever had and I'm about to get wiped by em3
woven crater
TD killed me when I'd almost won...
proven osprey
F for Lux
woven crater
Turns out I'm just sorta not good at nemesis compared to some of the others
Heroic deadly strike, heart rend, epic dash strike, rare [one that makes weak foes take more damage overall], world splitter, double dash strike hammer
slim lynx
that reminds me i actually haven't done a full run with every aspect
woven crater
The 240% movement speed may have also been a factor
But seriously that's like the pinnacle of dash strike builds so
slim lynx
in my 100 runs not once have i used aspect of hera
woven crater
I need some practice with that
Maybe starting 24x24 on sword isn't the best idea either
Starting with one of my better weapons may be better
plain prairie
poseidon aspect is cool
woven crater
Breaching slash probably would've helped me clean theseus up in time, as it was I was having trouble hitting him quickly enough at the end
And yeah poseidon aspect and the fourth are great, and I did manage the zagreus aspect so idk
Hyper sprint was probably the main bad pick, honestly
plain prairie
dym piercing slash? iirc breaching doesn’t help against non-armored enemies
unless theseus counts as armored?
woven crater
Oh maybe, I thought it also pierced, I think I was just combining the two
plain prairie
was it the disc one or flat dmg
mighty ermine
whichever one you like the most
brazen nest
That doesn't help much, lol
mighty ermine
i mean
they are all viable and good enough to work well
zag spear is likely the weakest for climbing heat, but it's still fine for most intents and purposes
woven crater
I've come to like hades spear with the dash spin tech
mighty ermine
it really comes down to personal taste
woven crater
Very nice aoe once you realize there's a lower-commitment option
cloud vault
You don't have to big spin
Small spin to punish, dash strike
Big spin is for when you can hit spawns
gusty rapids
yeah we say “whatever u enjoy” mostly because that’s genuinely the best answer we can give
hearty elbow
crap, if i sell a boon, do i still get credit for the prophecy?
I can reliably say I'm never getting Bad News again lol.
sonic ember
Eurydice's rarity upgrade also upgrades the damage on some boons, right?
hearty elbow
virtually every boon that does damage, yes
proven osprey
Yeah, sometimes it's the only way since some are not pommable
sonic ember
by how much? how different is it from pomming? or rarity upgrading an already pommed boon?
hearty elbow
It's different per boon. There's a spreadsheet somewhere, sec
proven osprey
It's not that different. Just less variance than pommed one since you don't have the % thing
hearty elbow
brazen nest
Talos with blade dash is super fun
sonic ember
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpu...
thank you!
misty yoke
which boons do help against the poison dudes in the small rooms ? or which boons are good in general for the last rooms ?
cloud vault
Deflect is great for satyrs
arctic leaf
So I watched the curse of drowning video from helian and it kinda sounds like it is a one trick pony that requires Setup.
misty yoke
Deflect is great for satyrs
oh. yeah. that makes sense! tyvm!
naive solstice
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpu...
this is incredibly helpful, thank you! 💜
hearty elbow
❤️
brazen nest
Rush delivery >>>>>>>
22:15 run with talos
Nice, shed a lot of time by just not walking to each door
obsidian kite
which boons do help against the poison dudes in the small rooms ? or which boons...
Poseidon is also good in Styx b/c of how tight the rooms are, you can get a ton of wall damage
jovial fulcrum
Just had the best Anvil I've seen.
Had 1 hammer, Charged Uppercut
Swapped into Concentrated Knuckle + Roiling Knuckle
still vortex
@brazen nest Achilles spear is best spear imo
brazen nest
@still vortex How do you tend to use it? Cast, dash, jab?
With a cast that lodges the stone?
still vortex
special bull rush, cast or attack four times, special bull rush
brazen nest
Which gods you favor?
still vortex
cast builds, but with Achilles, I really like focusing on ares on special and artemis somewhere else and trying for hunting blades. Impending doom on special along with hunting blades is so fun
zeus on special with posidon casts and go for the duo boon is also good
brazen nest
What does hunting blade do?
still vortex
heat seeking blade rifts
still vortex
it is
brazen nest
It's duo artemis and ares?
still vortex
yeah
it sucks if you are trying to get it and never do
but hunting blades can be a build by it's own, regardless of weapon
I also like hoping for hermes legendary and ares legendary at the same time
nvm, you can't stack freezing vortex and hunting blades
Your Cast creates a faster Blade Rift that seeks the nearest foe.
Seek Duration: 3.3 Sec
drifting robin
but hunting blades can be a build by it's own, regardless of weapon
Try using it on achilles
still vortex
cast builds, but with Achilles, I really like focusing on ares on special and ar...
see
faint sluice
aspect of hades is better than achilles
drifting robin
um how exactly?
still vortex
does exit wounds scale with anything?
debatable, but i say no... requires spin attack to activate, and only affects special and attack, and doesn't apply to the next spin attack either.
drifting robin
debatable, but i say no... requires spin attack to activate, and only affects sp...
Yeah plus the achilles damage bonus is higher
And it has more versatility
still vortex
they are both 150% if I remember correctly
still vortex
yeah, I like achilles much better
drifting robin
But sure go hades spear if you like the spin attack
drifting robin
They are fun but not that great in my opinion
drifting robin
love the life steal
I use it on stationary enemies
brazen nest
The more I learn about this, the stronger ares feels
still vortex
I like ares a lot
brazen nest
I just had a blade dash build with talos and rush delivery
Whatever is hermes move spd dmg boon
It melted everything
By far my best run
22 minutes
drifting robin
noice
still vortex
Blade dash? Weird
sand tusk
@still vortex Not really. You dash a lot during Fist combos to avoid the combo ending CD. So dropping blades every dash may be more effective than my preferred Artemis dash for fist
still vortex
it's hard to hit enemies I felt
quaint rivet
man, laser build is pretty fun
brazen nest
It was talos + poseidon special
Pull enemies, dash atk in, dash atk out, special, repeat
Rush delivery boosted the dmg a lot
abstract flower
Is there a link that showcases various builds?
willow fossil
abstract flower
Is Stubborn Roots any good? Should I take it over epic Crystal Beam?
turbid needle
its pretty good imo and sells for a good amount
its useful in the final boss fight esp if u have a high health bar , last boss is slow so u can dash around and heal until u recover enough health (if ure out of DD)
I had it my first escape
jovial fulcrum
is it too late for Rare Crop?
I just killed the mid boss in Elysium
Its Rare Rare crop, so every 3 encounters.
flat garden
every rare crop is 3 encounters
jovial fulcrum
o
flat garden
the rarity only changes how many boons it does
its not too late. you still have styx.
tranquil falcon
so i saw a run in victory boasting about just spamming blade dashes to win
but they didn't use gilgamesh for some reason
so guess what i'm doing rn
jovial fulcrum
lol, Athena got sassy when I used her call in a trial against her
pale kayak
I have one more bounty left! The blade.
To make it fitting, I've decided to run EM4 instead of LC4, and I've decided to go with the Zagreus Aspect of it - a fitting finale.
jovial fulcrum
Finished the last tunnel of styx with an Atlas Bead and Prometheus Stone on 1 use
wew
Finished with Heroic Crystal Beam, Crystal Clarity, 2 Prometheus Stones and an Atlas Braid lmao
Flurry Cast for kicks
Oh, yeah, Cast Damage from chaos too
tranquil falcon
just finished an insane blade rift run
my only regret is that i took poseidon call instead of ares
i had hunting blades, mirage shot, engulfing vortex, black metal, AND vicious cycle
i had blade dash and cast
then i got 2 extra dashes from hermes, the passive 2 from gilgamesh, as well as epic hyper sprint
so 6 dashes
faint sluice
what boons pair well with beowulf?
slim lynx
how does hunter's dash affect dash-upper?
faint sluice
oh
yeah idk if it applies to both dash special and dash attack
id go for it anyways tho
half crater
what boons pair well with beowulf?
flood flare + deadly strike -> mirage shot
faint sluice
unless supporting fire is offered
faint sluice
flood flare + deadly strike -> mirage shot
flood flare is poseidon right
half crater
yeah
jovial fulcrum
I've had Lightning Rod and Scint Feast in my pool since floor 7 but the game wont give me either 😔
jovial fulcrum
Got Lightning Rod
But I already used the Zeus and Dio trinkets this run
🙏 to styx
GOTTEM
yeeee
limber cloak
pog
worn crypt
Chamber 9 smoldering air and dio call let's gooooo
frail schooner
smoldering dio is OP
worn crypt
Massive AOE and one of the highest DPS even if you only have a single target
frail schooner
smoldering is good with every call except demeter and artemis
although ares is basically a meme
worn crypt
Epic second wind in first room of Asphodel let's gooooo
opal lodge
crepes you play this game?
worn crypt
for some reason
half crater
Smoldering air with dio call?
dio’s call actually does more damage overall if you use lesser calls
since even if you hit an enemy 400 times with a hangover effect they can only have a max of 5 stacks
obsidian kite
You can try but you’ll probably die a lot
Even at max level it can take some getting used to the playstyle, so probably should max it out before you do serious attempts with it
autumn viper
tried fists again with the secret aspect after listening to the build suggestions you guys had for me and it was the fastest, most fun fists run i ever had
willow haven
people here give out some amazing builds
i've been playing hestia just to chill lol
devout trellis
What are some good aspects for ares boon?
Feels like the dooms are rather hard to use
limber cloak
What are some good aspects for ares boon?
hunting blades (ares+arty duo) if you wanna go for a cast build, or merciful end (athena+ares duo) if you wanna go for a melee "kill things before they even spawn" build
devout trellis
Got it, will try the merciful end build
How is curse of longing btw?
And is dire misfortune good?
Also, what is kill things before they spawn build😂
Just merciful end?
forest marsh
People have done a nice job filling out almost all the aspects for use on the monthly challenge. We're only missing runs using the Zagreus aspects of Spear, Fists, and Rail
flat garden
of course the highest heat attempted for sword is poseidon, objectively the best aspect
(someone please barrel roll with another aspect of the sword. poseidon sucks.)
limber cloak
Just merciful end?
yeah
limber cloak
How is curse of longing btw?
its eh, your doom strikes continuously but it only does half the damage of the previous doom
limber cloak
And is dire misfortune good?
its decent on a fast attacking weapon
opal lodge
i'll barrel roll with zag spear tmo
if its still not done yet
or rail
tbh
both are personal favs
forest marsh
I just did a Zag spear, about to submit it
Almost a PB on time, too (about 40 seconds or so off)
opal lodge
i still might do zag spear just to have a 32 heat zag spear time
flat garden
ah, someone beat me to 28
forest marsh
Can always go for time
flat garden
nah, this build is trash, probably not even gonna break sub 15
forest marsh
I thought I got rolled when I saw spammy submitted while I was on my 28 run, but my time was decent
flat garden
it won't even break anything, i just died.
forest marsh
Perfect, now you can do 29
misty yoke
with chiron bow i have dio on my special and ares on my attack. should i focus on leveling the special or should i try to have both, attack and special at the same level ?
flat garden
at every lost opportunity a new one beckons, as they say
forest marsh
It was a fun Zag Spear run, I will admit. Was getting high 2k crits on the regular with the special
For anyone interested in rounding out the aspects, just missing Zag rail and fists
flat garden
does lambent plume's time limit scale with force overtime?
ooh, legendary hermes in tartarus. that's pretty swag
forest marsh
Yeah, having the plume is great for getting that early legendary
I know the plume timer is scaled depending on the encounter, but I don't know if Forced Overtime affects it
flat garden
might be too much of a hassle to design it that way lol
i know FO speeds up enemy spawn time, right
but maybe thats balanced by having them be harder to fight
forest marsh
Yeah, I'd be surprised if it was affected by FO
slim lynx
I thought I got rolled when I saw spammy submitted while I was on my 28 run, but...
all according to plan
i'm just hoping i can snag that 32 heat clear
flat garden
do it with skelly's tooth
in honor of his statues
21.6% on the lambent plume post-lernie now
unfortunately didnt get the hermes dodge boon
td3 really is training me to be quick on my feet. usually i dont get all the bonus dodge chances when using the feather
willow haven
heavy knuckle or long knucle better on demeter?
flat garden
with 5 seconds to spare!
slim lynx
does the 40 damage not make it up for that tho?
no
flat garden
nope
dem fists are all about the cutter anyway so why even bother with the attack
the attack is only a means to get the shiny powerup
slim lynx
you might wanna have something nice on attack regardless
willow haven
aye
slim lynx
maybe hangover
willow haven
oh?
slim lynx
divine strike and deadly flourish is already a nice combo in its own and if you get deadly reversal it's 😩 👌
willow haven
i find hangover kinda underwhelming because of 5 stack limit
slim lynx
it scales pretty well with poms
and can also trigger privileged status which adds a lot to giga-cutter
flat garden
what's the aspect do again
oh right, the 20 bullet mag
how could i forget, it was literally what i maxed out first
forest marsh
Yessss, complete the last aspect
flat garden
i like to imagine this challenge happening on a single savefile
zag just keeps coming up to dad with different aspects with higher and higher heat
forest marsh
Also congrats on pushing into new heat territory, electronic!
naive solstice
I'd participate in the challenge but I have yet to break the 20 heat barrier
I'm too w e a k 😔
forest marsh
I believe in you! A lot of managing the lower tiers of higher heat is picking the right pacts
flat garden
who knows, maybe you could break 30. i have never managed to rise beyond 16 until i did this challenge, either.
competition balances my incompetence
forest marsh
Just look at what other people are running for pacts at similar heats and try that out if you aren't sure
dense remnant
@willow haven it can get up to 8 stacks with a particular Duo and, like someone else mentioned, it scales pretty well with poms
i find heartbreak strike to be very effective with deadly flourish, on demeter aspect, with heart rend
jovial fulcrum
I had a Nemesis run with the reverse. Heart Flourish in to Deadly Strike w/ heart rend
was nutty, like 2k crits by the time i got to styx
limber cloak
heartrend nemesis is chef's kiss tbh
night palm
Is there any official posting or criteria somewhere that details precisely what qualifies as a boonlees run? I recall some time ago they did a patch where they said they clarified the requirements better but I haven’t been able to find anything.
hoary slate
in terms of the title "100% Olympian-free" you just need to sell every boon from the Olympians including Hermes before fighting final boss
a few can't be sold though
slim lynx
problem is: you can only sell 3 at a time
up to 6 if you have rerolls but you can only reroll purge pools once
hoary slate
only one reroll? i thought it'd increase the cost as normal
honest wing
yea
night palm
So just before o get there? - So if I use any boons before hand.. I’m still okay?
hoary slate
for the title yes
night palm
Ah, alrighty
hoary slate
just keep your pool small so you can sell them all
night palm
Yeah, probably drop the mirror that increases chances of boons
Swap re-roll to roll doors
hoary slate
and maybe try to avoid other titles because there's no priority
night palm
Honestly I’m not even aware of these titles that you speak of.
hoary slate
in the victory screen right under the "victory"
hoary slate
good with every cast
willow haven
i should probably go linearly with heat, i'm at 15 but jumping to 28 made it superhard
sonic ember
good with every cast
i meant like the average achilles build with mirage shot
slim lynx
mirage shot really works best with any cast build at all i don't know what you're talking about
sonic ember
mmm okay
cuz I wanted to try somethinb with mirage shot and was wondering which weapon worked best for it
achilles was the first one to come to mind
slim lynx
it literally doesn't matter what sort of cast build you're running
flat garden
do a poseidon sword run
slim lynx
does storm lightning affect lightning phalanx?
flat garden
the way i see it is it only affects lightning
phalanx shot isnt modified to be lightning by the duo, so probably not
then again, i haven't tested it.
proven osprey
You're right
naive solstice
How does triple shot work on aspect of hera?
Does it send all three casts in different directions?
naive solstice
oh well
cunning urchin
only one reroll? i thought it'd increase the cost as normal
Yeah, that's correct.
naive solstice
chain shot is better for damage as well as status effects anyway
cunning urchin
You can reroll multiple times like normal.
naive solstice
on an unrelated note, how much of a bad decision is it to fight Charon on a TD run?
leaden bay
Do charon shop bonuses stack? I.e., if I buy +attack twice. And is it like on top or addition?
flat garden
yeah
naive solstice
just td1
flat garden
just td1
if you have much time left and confident in your abilities to best him as quickly as possible, go ahead
leaden bay
it's not +80 in the end I asume?
leaden bay
O.O
flat garden
i hear it was multiplicative in one of the early versions which sounds hilarious.
slim lynx
does ricochet rounds cause lightning strike to proc twice?
flat garden
jury summons + benefits package that clones is scary in a room full of numbskulls
flat garden
i will never get used to dc2.
i'll take a hs2 before i ever take dc2
800% trap damage lulw
cloud vault
Let's see if I can do Eris drunken strike 30 with TD3
autumn viper
yo whats a good build for chaos shield?
honest wing
doom on special
slim lynx
Let's see if I can do Eris drunken strike 30 with TD3
that dps is gonna suck 
robust anchor
cunning urchin
Should be good.
proven osprey
I'm waiting for Schad's test on this
cloud vault
I didn't get any of the good boons besides low tolerance