then there isn't much you want from hermes so take whatever you want
#h1-builds-and-combat
hoary slate
dense ginkgo
I should take the trial for the 2 boons instead of 1 right?
hoary slate
if you think you can take it
untold vortex
what chamber are you in?
coarse moss
you dont have jolted yet iirc?
autumn viper
tier 2 zeus boons good
dense ginkgo
no jolted
chamber 32
autumn viper
yeah take jolted
dense ginkgo
deciding 33
coarse moss
want jolted
untold vortex
who's the other option in the trial?
dense ginkgo
aphro
hoary slate
do you know their revenge attacks?
untold vortex
take aphro first imo
coarse moss
i prefer dodging zeus rather than dodge aphro
untold vortex
dealing with aphro in elysium trials can be a massive pain
slim lynx
aphro's attack seems easy to dodge but then the heart spawns directly on you
not fun, piss off zeus
dense ginkgo
do I reroll?
btw spread shot so top seems iffy
or do I take top cuz they both melee range?
coral cave
maybe try reroll for smoldering
untold vortex
save the reroll
dense ginkgo
they said no duos on trials
coral cave
or maybe go with ehat aggy says
untold vortex
you can't get duo's in trials
hoary slate
just take one of the down 2 what does more for you
untold vortex
either the 2nd or 3rd option works well (assuming you have a consistent way of applying weak)
slim lynx
different league and empty inside are both good
maybe you should go for different league because you're using melee
have you beaten the game yet?
dense ginkgo
no
slim lynx
then damage reduction is huge
dense ginkgo
last run was my first hades phase 2
slim lynx
because you're constantly getting hit and taking damage
untold vortex
the damage reduction one is huuge, because weak is now 43%
coarse moss
^
hoary slate
that's the other damage reduction tho
coarse moss
thats like increase to your effective health
untold vortex
differant league adds extra DR onto weak
slim lynx
different league can work very well because she's using spread fire
dense ginkgo
lmao using zeus aid while pissing him off
hoary slate
there's one that increases weak effect and there's this one that's another DR on top
autumn viper
using any god's aid when the gauge is full when youve pissed them off in a trial makes them do a fun side comment
slim lynx
broken resolve buffs weak effects, diff. league makes you take less damage from melee attacks
coarse moss
lightning bolt is not chain lightning
autumn viper
ooh billowing
dense ginkgo
I don't have chain lightning anyways?
untold vortex
Billowing is pretty fun, double strike with zeus call is also pretty fun
dense ginkgo
don't have zeus call lol
slim lynx
there's still hope for smouldering
dense ginkgo
it's one or the other
slim lynx
coarse moss
I don't have chain lightning anyways?
you were using zeus attack?
dense ginkgo
yes
hoary slate
what call do you have
coarse moss
zeus attack is chain lightning
autumn viper
double strike opens you up for zeus legendary
which is great for zeus attack on rail
hoary slate
if you have no call you can't get billowing
untold vortex
either double strike or billowing are great choices 
autumn viper
billowing good
hoary slate
and with smoldering too
dense ginkgo
should I with billowing just do tiny calls not full?
autumn viper
yeah
untold vortex
with Zeus, tiny calls tends to work out better damage wise
autumn viper
zeus is one of those gods where the tiny calls are better
autumn viper
pom for me
coral cave
pom
livid lava
pom for sure
dense ginkgo
died to asterius
hoary slate
asterius takes time getting used too
kind finch
Is the piercing + armor damage daedalus upgrade on ||chiron|| bugged?
willow haven
no?
kind finch
my damage dropped really suddenly once i got it
and most of the special shots were missing
willow haven
were you in a closed area?
nocturne raven
Haven't noticed that happening personally.
willow haven
nah
kind finch
i couldnt hit at all if i shot backwards
willow haven
sounds 
to me
the shots miss super bad in styx
that's why i call rama the better chiron
nocturne raven
Will probably check out rama. I've maxed out chiron, got 6 clears with it so far.
Coronacht best bow tenouttaten
autumn viper
no cap i hated bow until i unlocked rama
kind finch
chiron ||lucifer|| and zag spear are my favourite 3
slim lynx
rama is great at lvl 1 but is amazing at lvl 5
willow haven
i just finished using rama with explosive shot and holy smokes
autumn viper
my rama is still stuck at lvl 1 so i might have to try that out for myself sometime
willow haven
2 shot hydra
well the rama passive isn't that big of a deal if you're going special build
so keeping it at 1 is fine
coarse moss
ew rama special build
coarse moss
😆
willow haven
i'd rather use rama than chiron in styx
coral cave
rama special is good
autumn viper
i just like rama attack because i love killing enemies with one or two shots
willow haven
styx with chiron is 
autumn viper
oooh that sounds spicy
coral cave
with double strike would be even better
coral cave
the zeus double strike
devout trellis
what are some good boons on guangyu
devout trellis
also, curse of drowning is really hard to use on achilles
slim lynx
damage reduction is great for obvious reasons
devout trellis
why did people recommend it
kind finch
i like artemis special with guan yu
nocturne raven
Speaking of boons, anyone have any non-build-specific boons or ones that don't really do damage but are strongly recommended for an easier clear? For me, Strong Drink is.. chef kiss mwah.
devout trellis
i see
kind finch
gun + lightning
devout trellis
the radius is so tiny
willow haven
Speaking of boons, anyone have any non-build-specific boons or ones that don't r...
artemis
works on everything
devout trellis
not use to small radius cast
autumn viper
just get pp 
willow haven
oh
willow haven
probably athena for easy clear, deflect stronk
kind finch
deflect dash
slim lynx
certainly can't go wrong with pressure points
willow haven
😄
kind finch
50 shots
willow haven
jumping off a table brb
coarse moss
not use to small radius cast
you mean curse of drowning?
devout trellis
yeah
willow haven
i should try it on fists
nocturne raven
Divine Dash and Greatest Reflex (with enough extra dashes) is the ultimate troll build for me, as long as you keep dashing basically nothing can get you.
Except for in Asphodel, because.. lava.
coarse moss
check this out at this timestamp @devout trellis https://youtu.be/TJWG0a3WZ38?t=830
devout trellis
i see, will give it a try
willow haven
extra d a m p
devout trellis
i am just not use to put myself in danger when using cast build
autumn viper
damp^2 dad
willow haven
yeah it's pretty specific
coarse moss
oh wait, he's not spamming it wonder why
the minotaur fight he spams it, if you wanna see
slim lynx
i am just not use to put myself in danger when using cast build
poseidon sword 
willow haven
yea 
devout trellis
yeah, i was asking about good cast on achilles
but someone told me curse of drowning
so
feels weird sine achilles focus on mobility and the cast force me to go melee
slim lynx
yeah... curse of drowning isn't that great really
i'd recommend hunting blades instead, alone it can already deal pretty crazy damage
autumn viper
hunting blades
willow haven
game doesn't like to give me hunting blades
devout trellis
very op
autumn viper
one of my fave runs was with 5 casts + hunting blades + ares legendary
slim lynx
idk about you but hunting blades is pretty easy to get and build on
limber cloak
idk about you but hunting blades is pretty easy to get and build on
not if RNGesus doesnt give you the duo lol
limber cloak
mirage shot?
pretty much all the cast boosting duos are decent
except for freezing vortex
that one sucks
devout trellis
i see
autumn viper
not if RNGesus doesnt give you the duo lol
i feel that. saw artemis four times after getting the prereqs for hunting blades and she didnt give it to me at all
in my last run, i mean
limber cloak
it also hurts a lot when you get hunting blades but ares doesnt decide to give you any decent t2's
slim lynx
just reroll smh smh
autumn viper
tfw youve used up all your rolls lmao
nocturne raven
It's especially annoying when you only chose a certain god because you have the prerequisites for a duo boon, then they don't give you the duo and the rest of their boons are kinda.. meh.
Aphrodite I'm looking at you.
coarse moss
some runs you force a god in the beginning and they dont show up again until styx
slim lynx
aphro's boons are great what are you talking about
nocturne raven
Eh, she has some really good ones but I personally find there's more misses than hits.
Different strokes for different folks though I guess.
autumn viper
by the way how do y'all make fists good
proven osprey
Aphro has some good t2s but they are not the best indeed
autumn viper
i used to like fists a lot but now they just feel so tiring
proven osprey
Although sweet surrender, broken resolve and dying lament are very nice
limber cloak
by the way how do y'all make fists good
merciful end if youre going for a speedrun lol
other than that, zeus is pretty decent for room clears
and arty can be good too if youre going for heart rend crits with aphro dash
coral cave
dio and dem can also be pretty good with fists
autumn viper
thats all for attack right
proven osprey
Dio/Zeus/Ares/Athena and even Demeter are decent on the attack
My favorite is Dio
it's really nice to dash through a room and to apply hangover everywhere
flat garden
i keep dying
heat 16 seems to be my limit when it comes to lucifer special only
ill try once again
that is unless someone beats me to the punch
proven osprey
you'll have to beat 11:41 at 16 heat tho 
cloud vault
Yeah you're better off doing heat 17 lol
More consistent.
I don't think time is going to be the more consistent option until 40+
flat garden
i am doing heat 17 yes
wow triple bomb really is good
just melted through em-less champions
eh wasnt super proud of this one
without a recording a specialless run is basically moot anyway
coarse moss
im proud of you
silver portal
Just did a bow build except you're invincible when you charge it and you also happen to be holding a shield
Charged Shot + Minotaur Rush
limber cloak
i was so confused reading the first few words of your sentence like
did he get the athena legendary
then i realized
also yeah charged shot is very good with shield,
coarse moss
thats a crazy good combo
silver portal
At the Hades boss fight I was just sitting at the corner and shooting beams
Until Hades does the 360 spin attack, then I just move to the next corner
coarse moss
you can just block the spin, no?
silver portal
I probably could've now that I think about it
proven osprey
we need a 17 one
flat garden
oh, nope. i didn't submit it because i'm not too proud of it
proven osprey
Did not mean to ping anyone F
flat garden
if anyone wants to take it, go ahead
flat garden
eh sure why not
proven osprey
oh, nope. i didn't submit it because i'm not too proud of it
there is no such thing, it's ok 
flat garden
its because i have a non-special boon visible that i didnt get to purge 
poseidon cast i think
proven osprey
the thing is
the challenge is broken
1 heat increment only or same heat but faster
flat garden
yeah my bad for not telling you haha
proven osprey
Nah I'll blame it on Phoenix dw
cloud vault
😢
Sometimes the spreadsheet doesn't update immediately for me so figured that's what it was my bad
proven osprey
Yeah but for this one it is
flat garden
we should probably get someone who worked on the sheets to fix that
i submitted it and now it's even more broken
proven osprey
@lucid ferry Mr. Hat please, we have a problem with the sheet
proven osprey
he sure does
cloud vault
Hopefully the Hat master can fix this blunder
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Astaos is there an agreement amongst the Guds not to start clogging the sheet with runs until like 25 heat so the mortals can have their turn
Because if so thank you, that’s very kind
proven osprey
lmao
That is tacit but I'm sure high heat players want to give everyone their chance
proven osprey
Croven I thought we were in good terms
slim lynx
do you think that after 32 heat people should be able to just submit runs of any heat level
cloud vault
I would abstain from runs until higher too but it's a) fun b) going so slowly
Retrash and friends can take it from 45 lol
cunning urchin
@cloud vault resubmit your run now, please. I will remove your previous submission.
proven osprey
sorry astaos i must rib any GY player
lmao
cunning urchin
sorry astaos i must rib any GY player
Don't hate. #h1-builds-and-combat message
gusty rapids
i may be bad but that doesnt stop me from also calling astaos bad
cunning urchin
@proven osprey why do you only have 1 40+ submission? Aren't you a high-heat player?
Not even 40+ in fact, just exactly 40.
proven osprey
Because I have not grinded the heat yet, just got a billion 40 heat GY with stupid builds
warped stag
What is a good build for zag aspect sword? I used all my bloods to max it for skelly
So now its the best weapon i have theoretically
drifting robin
What is a good build for zag aspect sword? I used all my bloods to max it for sk...
Get fast attack with hermes
slim lynx
flurry slash + cursed slash
slim lynx
or as i like to call it; play lame win game
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash, Merciful End is a good build on Zag Sword.
warped stag
Thanks
cunning urchin
40 to 50 is a way bigger jump than 40 to 45.
drifting robin
Yeah merciful end is good for fast attacking melee weapons
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flurry slash + cursed slash
This. Honestly meme zag sword is most effective zag sword. Looks for things that boost attack speed and the Cursed Slash hammer
Put dio or zeus on attack and have a good time
zag sword can live or die by hermes boons. Hyper sprint into Rush Delivery is an A+ combo, and if you roll +30% attack speed on a flurry slash/cursed slash Zag sword run you’re basically invincible lol
slim lynx
if you have athena on attack you effectively have a forcefield that rips anything that can be ripped to shreds to shreds
spiral badge
Yeah
Zag sword asks the question: “What if a weapon was a meme but the meme is also kind of good???”
warped stag
Lol
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Just temperamental
cunning urchin
Most effective is Merciful End. 
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You will live and die by your hammers and hermes boons with zag sword
cunning urchin
Also much easier to build than betting on hammers.
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Indeed
gusty rapids
yeah just bet on getting merciful end instead
cunning urchin
Can't reroll hammers, can only get two.
gusty rapids
ME moment
warped stag
Isnt ME a duo? How do you make sure you get that?
slim lynx
curse of agony + divine flourish
proven osprey
You get lucky
tiny current
@proven osprey wtf? 2 pings? The audacity
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So I’m going to contramand their high-level advice a little and say that ME is the ultimate highroll build
proven osprey
Sorry
coarse moss
Isnt ME a duo? How do you make sure you get that?
what they said, plus god keepsake increase chance, and eurydice increase next boon rarity
spiral badge
Yuge
Also requires 3 boons and a good deal of luck to set up 😉
either way though
Hunt for it
And hermes stuff too
warped stag
Ok i will
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You’ll find something amazing
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thats why I like zeus for earlier builds on zag sword lol
Dummy easy to get rolling
gusty rapids
unfortunately so is anything that relies on hammers
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^^^^^^
cunning urchin
Gods will always offer you at least 1 priority boon until those slots are filled. Priority boons are Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash. That means until those 4 slots are filled, you'll have only 2 chances at a Duo Boon when you pick up a boon instead of 3.
Making sure you don't qualify for other Duo Boons from Lady Athena and Lord Ares will also improve your odds.
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oh stop nyaanyaa
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Dont make my nerd bone tingle like that
cunning urchin
Also not for the legendary.
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Gods will always offer you at least 1 priority boon until those slots are filled...
This is very important information ^^^^^
robust anchor
proven osprey
My first ME runs were actually calculated risk runs
gusty rapids
are you guaranteed a core boon if you dont have one yet? i thought it was just much more likely but wasnt entirely sure
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If you ever have questions, Nyaanyaa is full of the best secret tidbits
cunning urchin
You're guaranteed a priority boon, not a core boon. Core boon includes Call, priority boon does not include Call.
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@cunning urchin can you settle something for me: Is this buff to duo chance invoked regardless of the god boon distribution in the core slots? Or does having more of one god favor finding it in that god’s pool specifically?
For instance, if I’m setting up for ME, and I have ares only on attack and the rest athena
Are my odds of pulling ME equal out of an ares and athena boon?
Or better out of an athena?
cunning urchin
Number of boons you have is irrelevant.
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I thought so
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As long as the requirements are filled and the core is satisfied, the boost is activated
proven osprey
or cry
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Oh I’m just using it as example
There’s all sorts of cases where I have that question
warped stag
Yeah i thought if you have a lot of ares* boons youre more likely to be offered ares rooms that run
At least it feels that way
gusty rapids
you're not, probably just how it feels
proven osprey
If you have the blood vial or the owl pendant, prioritize the god according to your keepsake
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So followup: Does core god distribution matter at all? If I have only athena and ares in my core slots, are my duo odds better than if I just had only the prereqs, and a jumble after that? Or the same?
proven osprey
Once ME prereq are met
gusty rapids
well as long as you dont have any other duo boons open
and priority boons being filled out will always be helpful for duo chance
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Setting aside all confounding factors like rng manipulation through boon pool depletion and things like that
cunning urchin
The way the god pool works is you'll find boons from random gods until you have boons from 4+ gods. (Master Chaos and Lord Hermes don't count). When you have 4+, you'll only see the gods you already have.
warped stag
Ah
cunning urchin
So followup: Does core god distribution matter at all? If I have only athena and...
Doesn't matter, no.
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Interesting, thank you
What sorts of things are you aware of that Do press their thumb on duo/legendary odds, practically?
I know keepsakes can play a role, I thought core boon distribution may have but it appears I was wrong
half crater
refreshing nectar is the big one
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Mmhmmm, ok
gusty rapids
the things i look to do are fill out core boons while keeping other duos locked, and filling out my god pool so im more likely to see ares/athena (in this case for ME)
yarn of ariadne and refreshing nectar are also extremely helpful
if u can manage to snag it, chaos boon rarity is also p neat
cunning urchin
Miniboss chambers have increased odds for Epic and Rare but decreased odds for Legendary or Duo.
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if u can manage to snag it, chaos boon rarity is also p neat
Yeah if I ever see this one I always hold my nose and tell myself it really works better than it sounds
proven osprey
And then, god's pride or god's legacy. But it's a religous choice at this point
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So I’ve heard that before
Such an odd decision
I’m convinced god’s pride doesn’t exist 😜
gusty rapids
both gods pride and gods legacy are scams
cunning urchin
Honestly, the miniboss reward thing doesn't really change how I use my rerolls. The odds are still pretty close.
gusty rapids
agree
proven osprey
yes
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Miniboss chambers have increased odds for Epic and Rare but decreased odds for L...
So just to spell this out like I’m an idiot, it’s best to avoid minibosses later into a run?
cunning urchin
Legacy makes a very noticeable difference.
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Ah, give no cares. Copy give no cares
coarse moss
when you pick up a boon, the 3 slots will roll for rarity. starting with a check for duo/legendary(base 30% chance iirc) and move down from there. if your priorities are not filled, only 2 will roll because 1 of it will be guaranteed for priority boon. sound about right?
half crater
idk what the duo/leg % reduction on minibosses is, but i feel like its pretty small
hard to notice it in practice
faint sluice
opinions on the hammer upgrade for exagryph that makes the special have a bigger radius, more damage, and hurts you if you stand in it
I love that one
proven osprey
it's really good
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Legacy makes a very noticeable difference.
I swear to god they accidentally swapped the values for pride and legacy early on in the game and when they found out they just thought it was too funny to fix
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when you pick up a boon, the 3 slots will roll for rarity. starting with a check...
This last sentence. Help me with this last sentence
“Priorities”, elaborate
half crater
Your core boons have priority
faint sluice
damn is it just me or has there been a great shortage of rare crop
faint sluice
i havent seen rare crop in any of my runs for like 5 runs
cunning urchin
Yes.
half crater
yeah
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If it is not filled?
Ok
Is that all but guaranteed? The game actively hunts filling core slots when it rolls the boon picks?
cunning urchin
No. You're guaranteed 1 priority boon.
faint sluice
feels like it yeah
cunning urchin
Priority != Core
half crater
Yeah if not all your priority slots are filled, one of the options will be of the empty priority slots
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Priority != Core
Talk to me
half crater
so you wanna fill those if its practical
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Core is your 5 on the left yes?
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How do those differentiate from what is “priority”
cunning urchin
You're guaranteed a priority boon, not a core boon. Core boon includes Call, priority boon does not include Call.
half crater
^
proven osprey
Only Aphrodite's call is a priority
cunning urchin
If you see a boon in chamber 1, you're always offered 3 priority boons.
proven osprey
iirc
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Just to ask the idiot’s question, you say you are guaranteed one priority boon. Is this per boon interaction? Per floor? Per roll?
faint sluice
does anybody else here always use demeter cast at every given opportunity
cunning urchin
iirc
It's not. Amir explained the other day that priority is correct for everything, just dataminers misunderstood something about the boon logic. Something like that.
proven osprey
I was joking
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No. You're guaranteed 1 priority boon.
Let me rephrase, under which conditions are you guaranteed this one priority boon, and what makes those conditions refresh?
faint sluice
hmmmmmmm
cunning urchin
Any boon you pick up. If you reroll with Persuasion, it's entirely random afaik.
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Ok, so the Priority Device procs once per touching a god boon
proven osprey
does anybody else here always use demeter cast at every given opportunity
Not If am not building around it since I would lose the boiling blood bonus
proven osprey
From what I've seen it is
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Ok, cool beans
faint sluice
Not If am not building around it since I would lose the boiling blood bonus
remind me again what boiling blood is?
half crater
bonus damage on enemies with bloodstones in them
faint sluice
meh
half crater
its pretty good
proven osprey
The mirror perk which makes you deal +50% damage with your attack or special on enemies with bloodstones stuck on them
slim lynx
boiling blood gives +50% damage how is it "meh"
half crater
^
faint sluice
I barely ever use my cast if its not demeter or artemis
those are the only good ones imo
half crater
hmm okay lol
faint sluice
though i will take ares in a pinch
cunning urchin
Might be wrong about that. But what I do know for certain is that if you reroll, you're guaranteed at least 1 new offer, so if you only have 1 free priority slot, e.g. Dash, you pick up a boon, 1 of the offers will be either Dash (.9 chance) or an exchange for a different priority slot (.1 chance). Let's say the offer is Dash. If you reroll now, and the guaranteed 1 new boon eliminates Dash, you'll see 3 offers that aren't Dash and therefore not priority.
But there would be a low chance that one of the new offers is an exchange.
gusty rapids
boiling blood is epic for bossing
cunning urchin
All of the casts are good.
livid lava
buffed aphro cast deals massive damage
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Might be wrong about that. But what I do know for certain is that if you reroll,...
You are a gem, thank you
slim lynx
can't imagine knowing about boiling blood and still not wanting to use your cast
cunning urchin
You may call me Queen of Hades. 
coarse moss
so zag's mom?
cunning urchin
No, it's my title now. She wasn't even in the Underworld when I claimed it.
coarse moss
cunning urchin
Haven't seen Persephone do 52 Heat.
warped stag
So exchanges are always pretty rare? So you should definitely not take a priority boon that isnt the one you want?
cunning urchin
Correct.
half crater
exchanges have like a 1% chance to turn up or something
proven osprey
I've read 10% chance here and there
half crater
never take something and hope for an exchange
warped stag
Darn so if you get the wrong god on your first boon you are forced to take one you dont want right? Because it will be 3 priority boons?
half crater
anecdotally i doubt its as high as 10% tbh
proven osprey
if it's lower than 10% I'm the most unlucky person of the universe
warped stag
Ok. I liked using the butterfly for tartarus but i guess not
limber cloak
if youre not using god keepsakes and still want a specific god, well thats on you
cunning urchin
It's 90% if you're running AP2.
half crater
lmao
limber cloak
Ok. I liked using the butterfly for tartarus but i guess not
butterfly damage buff goes away when you switch it
it is an all in keepsake, like the plume
warped stag
Oh. I didnt realize
limber cloak
you either keep it for the entire run, or you dont take it all
half crater
ye pretty much
fun for hitless runs tho
not that i have the patience for those lol
drifting robin
Butterfly is fun
One of my favorite keepsakes with plum bcs of how rewarding they feel
cloud vault
<@!284982402152136704> resubmit your run now, please. I will remove your previou...
Sorry about that, done now
tacit canopy
What do you think is the best cast from a damage perspective in a cast-centric build?
half crater
there's no cast that you can't make a powerful cast build with
proven osprey
I recommend Crush Shot Hera
manic needle
Tidal with hera / sea storm can be mildly funny
half crater
hunting blades and full wine are the classic really powerful cast builds
tacit canopy
Hera over Poseidon on the sword for a cast build?
half crater
but yeah crush shot hera is also a good suggestion
half crater
Hera over Poseidon on the sword for a cast build?
for crush shot? yes
tacit canopy
Okay cool thanks
drifting robin
Hera over Poseidon on the sword for a cast build?
yep
For hunting blades you probably want to go achilles or something
half crater
^
cloud vault
Phalanx Hera is niiice
tacit canopy
For hunting blades you probably want to go achilles or something
Oh yeah I forgot Achilles is good for this sort of thing
limber cloak
i havent tried phalanx hera, i wanna do it
cloud vault
Can pick up bouncy Phalanx and parting shot for awesomeness
limber cloak
is it any good with lightning phalanx
drifting robin
yeah I find crush/phalanx/trippy shot all work the best on hera
drifting robin
is it any good with lightning phalanx
oh yeahhhh
coarse moss
Oh yeah I forgot Achilles is good for this sort of thing
beowulf another cast weapon
limber cloak
basically all weapons have cast aspects
cloud vault
Eris is a good cast weapon too 🤔
half crater
beowulf is the best cast aspect ofc
limber cloak
beo, pos, hera, achilles, talos, eris
half crater
eris is just an "everything" aspect
half crater
beowulf is *the best* cast aspect ofc
sorry i misspoke; beowulf is the best aspect period don't @ me
tacit canopy
beo, pos, hera, achilles, talos, eris
In what way is talos especially good for cast? I’m pretty new
cloud vault
It boosts cast damage when the target is magnetized
coral cave
sorry i misspoke; beowulf is *the best aspect period* don't @ me
That take is scalding
cloud vault
It's definitely good the Shields are powerful
limber cloak
i like beo the best too honestly
drifting robin
Shield is like my least favorite weapon
coral cave
I sure won't
limber cloak
Shield is like my least favorite weapon
samee, yet i still like beo
cloud vault
Rama is the best aspect tho
limber cloak
i hate the slow play style of the shield
coral cave
Eris is my favorite
drifting robin
no it isnt???
I seriously hope your trolling
coral cave
Normie pick but still
limber cloak
I seriously hope your trolling
lol i am
cloud vault
He's joking
coral cave
Dem and Achilles are 2 and 3
drifting robin
Eris is my favorite
Eris is also my favorite but rama is probably the best
cloud vault
Rama is the best aspect by the heat metric, aka it is the highest heat cleared weapon
Eris is for speed
drifting robin
Maybe not my all time favorite but still up there(Eris)
hollow spear
Has anyone said that obviously Arthur is best aspect?
cloud vault
I like it
drifting robin
Same
spiral badge
Arthur sucks gang
hollow spear
I love the design
drifting robin
Its really good but not the best
limber cloak
arthur is a cool concept, but i hate using it
hollow spear
And it’s probs my fave not-for-speed aspect
half crater
i wanna hate arthur but big crit make brain happy
coral cave
Has anyone said that obviously Arthur is best aspect?
L
cloud vault
Arthur might be up there for like a boonless run
spiral badge
arthur is a cool concept, but i hate using it
I admire trying something daring but I just cannot physically stand playing that slow in games like this
drifting robin
Arthur might be up there for like a boonless run
Yeah I think Arthur is probably the best for boonless
half crater
Yeah I think Arthur is probably the best for boonless
hestia is best
drifting robin
eh
hollow spear
Arthur carried me hard before I started speedrunning
half crater
arthur's prolly pretty good tho
drifting robin
Arthur gives you health and damage debuffs so
cloud vault
Arthur is more forgiving I think but Hestia bestia if you're really good at it
spiral badge
Arthur is more forgiving I think but Hestia bestia if you're really good at it
See I disagree
half crater
show me the 40+ boonless arthur runs and i'll believe you
spiral badge
Arthur requires standing in the thunderdome to get the most out of it
Hestia only asks you to keep running and shooting
cloud vault
Someone @ peach head lol
spiral badge
Arthur monsters are a different breed man
drifting robin
I still feel hestia is so underwhelming and clunky
cloud vault
If anyone has done Arthur 40 boonless it's him
half crater
Someone @ peach head lol
lmao i would actually love to see him do it
arthur is one of my favourite weapons to watch people who're really good play
Peach is like a freakin' wizard with it
spiral badge
I still feel hestia is so underwhelming and clunky
It took Astaos telling me to quit being a dummy and just press reload every single time you press fire for me to understand hestia
At which point my hestia play got a lot, lot better
spiral badge
hestia can be slower, for sure
hollow spear
I need to actually give hestia a shot
drifting robin
And I like running around killing quickly
spiral badge
Speed isn’t it’s real niche
drifting robin
Thats just my playstyle
spiral badge
But it is very, very safe to use
drifting robin
Ive not completed a run with hestia yet
spiral badge
Thats just my playstyle
I’m with ya. Zag shield and talos fists lover here. Just takes switching gears up sometimes is all to discover something new
half crater
Speed isn’t it’s real niche
uhh... you sure about that?
its that 4th fastest aspect on speedrun.com rn
spiral badge
I would say it’s better at surviving horrible heat then at going fast if I had to pick one thing it’s good at
drifting robin
um no its not
spiral badge
But clearly people more talented than me disagree :P`
half crater
um no its not
um yes?
drifting robin
Im literally on speedrun.com rn
cloud vault
Hestia is one shot, one kill. Then you ricochet for two. Or piercing for more.
spiral badge
Yeah hestia ricochet specifically is nuts
half crater
Im literally on speedrun.com rn
drifting robin
ohhh 4th fastest aspect
half crater
yeah
drifting robin
i thought place
half crater
sorry that prolly wasn't clear
drifting robin
Well thats lili not a normal human being
drifting robin
Idk how someone can touch the eris time
Its a solid 30 seconds ahead of wr
I mean second place
Idk why I wrote wr
coral cave
French people a different breed
half crater
my favourite part is how in 1.0 Lili had the wr and then they did a whole bunch of eris nerfs and it slowed her down by 1 second
spiral badge
All the silent syllables shave major seconds off of runs
drifting robin
baguette baguette
spiral badge
French language setting speedtech
coral cave
Hon hon oui oui le monsieur baguette
spiral badge
French People Aren’t Rude They’re Just French
half crater
Hon hon oui oui le monsieur baguette
ah, i see you too are a man of culture
limber cloak
why did i take twin shot on chiron
drifting robin
why did i take twin shot on chiron
Rip
Tried that a few days ago did not work
Somehow managed to beat charon with it tho
limber cloak
im not sure im gonna even clear here lol
lost a dd in a normal elysium chamber
was almost about to lose another in the same one
honest wing
I need to actually give hestia a shot
hehe. a shot
drifting robin
hehehehehhehe
spiral badge
I love hestia so much. It’s a shame they didn’t go further with the concept and make her more unique. There are so many cool unique directions you can take a weapon like that
limber cloak
I hate hestia so much. Its a shame they didnt remove it from the game to make room for more unique and interesting aspects.
(jk lol, i like hestia too)
spiral badge
Imagine if hestia had a mechanic like the trick gun from Gungeon instead of a special. One side is a one-round power shot, reloading that could turn it into a rapid fire six shooter that deals the same damage out over six shots. Back and forth. Really lean into the high-damage high precision gunslinging archetype that it seems they were going for
So many unique directions they could have taken hestia further. I can’t wait to see what the mod scene for this game ends up looking like long term
hollow spear
Always thought of Hestia as a sniper rifle, tbh. Now I just really wanna go try it more
cunning urchin
idk how she does these things
Lili's not a girl.
proven osprey
Wait
half crater
Lili's not a girl.
my bad, shouldn’t have assumed
proven osprey
Np she assumed too before
cloud vault
Of course not. Cyborgs are cyborgs. Even when they're French
torn spoke
thoughts on best aspect of zagreus weapon
limber cloak
probably bow
drifting robin
Zag rail + spread fire is really good
drifting robin
or if youre going for a meme run, the fists
Meme run for zag aspect has got to be zag sword with flurry and cursed slash
limber cloak
tbh all the zag aspects except for sword and spear are decent
drifting robin
zag rail is hammer dependent though
If you can get that hammer it is very good
spiral badge
Zag bow is probably best
Zag shield is probably the most well rounded for new players
drifting robin
I think with spread fire zag rail is the best but very rng dependent
limber cloak
Zag bow is probably best
why did i know you were gonna say that as soon as i saw you typing
spiral badge
best
As in highest performing
My favorite truly is zag shield
Unga bunga forever
spiral badge
I think with spread fire zag rail is the best but very rng dependent
^^^^^
torn spoke
what is rail if i may ask
desert cypress
A gun
drifting robin
Spread fire + arty attack is fun
torn spoke
yeah i guess im looking for the most consistently good one
drifting robin
Bow then
torn spoke
Alrighty thank you
desert cypress
Bow is great for consistency
torn spoke
im dumb and put my first 6 blood into chiron
drifting robin
Eris gang
torn spoke
🥰
desert cypress
Chiron is good too
torn spoke
nah but im going for zag now
desert cypress
You're not dumb
torn spoke
from the consensus i heard, its just not fantastic until max level
desert cypress
People use Chiron for 32 heat
desert cypress
I just meant it's good
drifting robin
Trust me go eris if you want to escape right now rather than zag bow
It is the same cost
desert cypress
zag bow is stinky at level 1
torn spoke
which is eris
drifting robin
Its on the gun
desert cypress
Eris is a rail aspect
drifting robin
zag bow is stinky at level 1
^^^^^
desert cypress
Yeah
torn spoke
is it worth?
desert cypress
Very
drifting robin
Not at lvl 1
torn spoke
ive onlt gotten 1 run clear so far tho
desert cypress
Wait do you mean Eris?
torn spoke
so i need alot of blood to invest in anything thats not zag
drifting robin
Then do whatever
desert cypress
Oh
drifting robin
so i need alot of blood to invest in anything thats not zag
Eris is only 1 titan blood and it still is very good
torn spoke
oops
limber cloak
im so angry rn
torn spoke
stuff sucks
drifting robin
Man I remember when I only had one titan blood
Same
limber cloak
i accidentally took cyclops instead of hydralite at patty
drifting robin
Quit and reenter
limber cloak
cant
desert cypress
It's still good
limber cloak
already at next chamber
drifting robin
I do that all the time for sisyphus bcs I mess up
limber cloak
and already lost a dd
desert cypress
Don't choke
limber cloak
It's still good
not when you only have one dd left
limber cloak
and im also doing a cast run
limber cloak
Just don't get hit
hypnos level advice right here
desert cypress
Thanks, he's been teaching me
desert cypress
So yeah don't die
drifting robin
was that I just didn't die
^^^^^^^^^
honest wing
just say no
Death Defiance.
When you die, you don't
You can use this feature thrice per long rest, unless stated otherwise
torn spoke
thoughts on easiest heat modifier?
proven osprey
For a 1 heat run?
torn spoke
yep
drifting robin
Depends on the weapon
proven osprey
Tight deadline
honest wing
tight deadline yea
torn spoke
shield
drifting robin
For rail and fists the extra heart and td for literally everything
The extra heart as in the blue one
proven osprey
If you're able to clear a run in like 36 minutes you'll be fine
torn spoke
my last run was 35 so good
drifting robin
Keep in mind tho if you want to do higher heat you probably want to start getting a bit faster with your runs
graceful nebula
Can you sell a pre req to a duo and still have the duo?
honest wing
yes
graceful nebula
... interesting...
cloud vault
The most common is selling a divine flourish after you get ME
I see heat 19 is up, go for 20 guys 🔥
proven osprey
No notes on runs feels sad
opal lodge
it depends on the duo
obviously selling slicing shot is gonna mess with hunting blades
proven osprey
Sea storm, sell pose boons pog
opal lodge
it could be
proven osprey
But there's still knockback
opal lodge
some moves still have inherent knock yeah
proven osprey
ME and sell deflect
warped stag
But doesnt ME rely on the deflect?
cloud vault
Curse of Longing but sell your doom or weak
Or both like a badass
Oh no, there's a thing
Heat 4 and 5 is a self barrel roll. @cunning urchin
Barrelception
slim lynx
what are your conditions?
leaden dune
wdym?
slim lynx
which of the conditions do you have on
leaden dune
I just have tight deadline atm, i dont know which one is best for the 2nd heat
slim lynx
em2 + bp1 + mm is a good start
it's a bit intimidating going so high all of a sudden but it doesn't take too much to get used to it
leaden dune
wait i should fill the bar past max?
drifting robin
Maybe not em2 but em
drifting robin
wait i should fill the bar past max?
yes
drifting robin
Well you can go progressively but as long as it is lit up you will get bounties
slim lynx
it trains you for the higher heats
slim lynx
if you're looking to get darkness simply don't fill the meter so you can get darkness from bosses
drifting robin
For example if you have already beat 2 heat with the rail, doing 2 heat again wont give you titan blood, ambrosia, diamonds etc
leaden dune
yeah that makes sense ok
drifting robin
Also if you can put on forced overtime
It really trains you
then if you can consistently win with that, put on forced overtime 2
spiral badge
Sea storm, sell pose boons pog
Sea storm shield with no Poseidon attack is my dream highroll build
leaden dune
lol i'm struggling just with normal for now but tysm, i'll use this as a rule of thumb as i improve
cunning urchin
Heat 4 and 5 is a self barrel roll. <@311477984886521856>
Nope. ItsTangent did 4 Heat in 21:01.43, thus failed to barrel-roll wightfyre's 4 Heat in 19:29.48. After that, ItsTangent barrel-rolled wightfyre's run by doing 5 Heat.
frail schooner
proven osprey
Add pulverizing blow to the mix
@spiral badge
The reply thing is not on point on mobile it seems
spiral badge
I am summoned
Lol
Pulverizing blow is the 2x attack yeah? That doesn’t negate the knock back from proccing fully? Thought it would
That’s wicked if so, thanks for the tip
proven osprey
It does remove the knockack
visual jungle
anyone know if hydraulic might negates shattered shackle?
cunning urchin
It doesn't.
proven osprey
It does not
visual jungle
:D thank you!!
proven osprey
rare kindle
as long as it doesn't take up a core boon slot, it works with shattered shackle
good for stuff like urge to kill and chaos boons
spiral badge
It does remove the knockack <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
Wait though, I thought the knockback feature of the single hit was what made the sea storm hiroll work 👀
That’s wonderful to hear it works though
proven osprey
Wait though, I thought the knockback feature of the single hit was what made the...
You're right.
It was a bit of irony
spiral badge
Oh lol
I was going to say, I spring for that hammer all the time. It was going to be wonderful news to me if it still procced sea storm somehow lol
proven osprey
Yeah it's a nice hammer
spiral badge
Actually my practical Zag shield Sea Storm hiroll build is Poseidon attack and resetting for that hammer
The 2x attack is uniquely good with Poseidon. Patches up his damage and brings the knockback back under control
And then 2x sea storm 😈
My dream version of that is taking another hammer and keeping the single attack to proc sea storm, and taking Poseidon off attack for something else when I get SS lol
willow haven
Actually my practical Zag shield Sea Storm hiroll build is Poseidon attack and r...
that was probably my first 5Head moment in the game
visual jungle
would u take epic drunken flourish or heroic deadly flourish with chiron bow 🤔
still vortex
artemis imo
visual jungle
yea im gonna take that one! thanks :)
nooo i have to purge it bc its my only boon!!!
aaaaaaa
its level 3 too...
visual jungle
gl!!
drifting robin
alright gonna try to get the butterfly achievement with Lucifer
Um good luck
That does not sound fun
obsidian kite
room 1 Zeus lol nice start
drifting robin
I would go GY
obsidian kite
eh dark thirst was on rail
obsidian kite
I find it to be a great way to keep up variability and make every run unique, I don't get people that have like half their clears on one weapon lol
but there are a ton of different ways to play this game depending on preferences
drifting robin
Shield would be the only exception but I have pretty much equal clears on all the other weapons
I hate shield
obsidian kite
I wanted to make sure I can clear, so I took off EM4, but I replaced it with MM (fine) and BP (maybe less fine) lol
drifting robin
noice
obsidian kite
hopefully I don't get a bunch of weird armored skulls in Tartarus
drifting robin
What exactly is bp again?
obsidian kite
armored enemies get perks
drifting robin
I dont have all of them memorized off the top of my head
obsidian kite
benefits package
visual jungle
benefits package
drifting robin
armored enemies get perks
Ok thats what I thought when you talked about armored skulls
obsidian kite
goddamnit I ruined a room by casting when I had a chaos condition against casting
obsidian kite
oh wait you're right it didn't
drifting robin
ok
drifting robin
oof
Try guan yu with pierced
You need to get the charged skewer hammer but its a lot of fuj
*fun
still vortex
guan yu spin for win
visual jungle
why gy for butterfly and not zeus shield or something?
obsidian kite
I guess if you’re trying to not get hit anyway then Guan Yu is good
I actually find myself getting hit with shield just as much or more than other weapons because I get impatient and go in swinging
GY is actually pretty good for not getting hit b/c you have two huge ranged AoEs
visual jungle
actually yeah thats a good point, the special goes crazy
obsidian kite
And my GY playstyle naturally lends itself to not getting hit much anyway
I thought Lucifer would be fine esp when I got Zeus attack right away, but I wasn’t focused and got hit by dumb stuff
visual jungle
maan those hydra head bangs really get me
obsidian kite
I always get whacked by those lol
still vortex
@drifting robin no I disagree
Love GY spin, quick spin plus massive spin is awesome
Did image perms go away or were they never here?
obsidian kite
yeah I love spin
still vortex
When you literally get everything you want. This was a fun run.
obsidian kite
really good at spreading status and also just sticking a massive traveling hitbox in front of you
still vortex
Also got chaos extra cast and extra cast damage and ares legendary
jovial fulcrum
does Curse of Drowning count as a vortex for boon that buff vortex stuff
still vortex
Don't think so
fervent elbow
Start with Zeus attack, then put Artemis on special
desert widget
Aight
still vortex
obsidian kite
I do kinda like Ares on Lucifer special too, but nothing makes stuff go boom faster than Artemis special
cloud vault
Aphrodite Special is great
Good consistent damage and opens smoldering air naturally
pale kayak
This is just a random thing, but:
Hermes just commented on the fact that I have the Lucky Tooth equipped
That's pretty neat
frail cave
So neat. I had Theseus comment when I was holding yarn.
dusky relic
Is there some way to get Light of Ixion to spawn more?
Sometimes it comes up a lot and sometimes not at all, almost like there's some kind of trigger
obsidian kite
yeah a lot of characters have keepsake comments
Theseus has several yarn comments, they get funnier and funnier
jolly niche
one thing I enjoyed on Lucifer is heartbreak strike, actually, cuz if you get Unhealthy Fixation you're almost guaranteed to charm at least once per mag
good for rank-and-file enemies to make them fight each other and good on bosses to disrupt their attacks
still vortex
I love love love hunting blades.
brazen nest
Going for a talos fist run, what should I focus/look for?
brazen nest
Merciful end is? (Don't know by name)
still vortex
athena and ares duo
hitting with a deflect skill instantly triggers doom effects
@brazen nest
brazen nest
Oh
still vortex
you need athena's flurish or attack to trigger getting the boon, but athena's dash to trigger the doom is great
brazen nest
Ye, talos fists
still vortex
I like merciful end with chaos shield
brazen nest
I'm going through each weapon for now
still vortex
talos is good with posidon special and yoyo
brazen nest
I was able to escape with shield already
Poseidon huh
I'll try that mercy cause I like doom
still vortex
but ares/athena merciful end sounds pretty good, I should try a talos run with that.
brazen nest
Well, athena didn't want to give me atk, but she wanted to give dash
still vortex
make sure to pom up doom
still vortex
I like Fated Persuasion for that reason
brazen nest
Hummmm hammer
Concentrated knuckle, rolling knuckle or colossus
I'm leaning on concentrated
Or dash I dunno
still vortex
meh all of those are ok... I'd probably lean rolling or colossus
drifting robin
rolling is pretty good