h1-builds-and-combat

[tranquil falcon]

i swear with this build i'm gonna lose all my dds not to any bosses but to a flame wheel room or something

[half crater]

i had no idea what you were talking about lol

[spiral badge]

Yeah I realized that one might have been a little obscure with no context lol

[tranquil falcon]

yeah

iirc it was originally a bug

bc like since ghandi's aggression was so low

[dense ginkgo]

I am doing zag rail
my first boon was zeus attack
now do I take a 2nd zeus boon or 100g?

[tranquil falcon]

whenever you lowered it any more

it just overflowed and gave him highest aggression

[half crater]

indeed

[tranquil falcon]

second zeus boon

[half crater]

computers bad at counting

[spiral badge]

Honestly one of the first video game memes

Real history kids

[dense ginkgo]

OH
and let me tell you
I got Hazard Bomb on chamber 1

[tranquil falcon]

okay now i pray for charged skewer

[dense ginkgo]

I am good at hazard bomb

and I picked it over rocket bomb whatever it is called

scream at me all you want

[tranquil falcon]

i mean 80 base damage is a LOT in hades

[spiral badge]

Yeah I would get some earmuffs

[dense ginkgo]

hazard bomb is so good tho

[tranquil falcon]

but yeah rocket bomb is actually mildly hard to control

at least for me

eh

[dense ginkgo]

and it's harder to make sure I hit right with rocket]

[tranquil falcon]

i've never really gotten hazard bomb to work for me

[dense ginkgo]

yeah what spemt said

[half crater]

rocket bomb’s good but hard to use optimally

hazard just does damage

[tranquil falcon]

it's definitely easier with controller

which i don't use

[spiral badge]

Ohhhh

[dense ginkgo]

hazard bomb is amazing if you can use it right

[spiral badge]

That might explain some

[dense ginkgo]

I am KBM too

[spiral badge]

I just use rocket bomb like an underslung grenade launcher

[tranquil falcon]

i swear this run is literally going to give me permanant anxiety or something

[spiral badge]

Quick fire and forget at close to medium range

[tranquil falcon]

why did i decide to do this again

[spiral badge]

And right back to shooting

[dense ginkgo]

so I take the 2nd zeus is what you guys said, not 100g?

[spiral badge]

Yeah

[tranquil falcon]

yea

[civic pendant]

Egg ?

[tranquil falcon]

elysium

[obsidian kite]

Exploding egg trap in Elysium

It’s a useful way to kill yourself and get SD healing after the fight is over

[tranquil falcon]

dilemma

do i take shop to not die

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806596777595633664/unknown.png

[tranquil falcon]

or do i take miniboss chamber for extra pierced butterfly meme

[dense ginkgo]

top means nearby to me, not the explosion, right?

[spiral badge]

Storm

Bottom

[dense ginkgo]

I would think bottom

[tranquil falcon]

yeah bottom

[spiral badge]

Set yourself up for Zeus legendary and move on

[tranquil falcon]

^

[dense ginkgo]

and it will go really well with my attack

[tranquil falcon]

plus bouncy bouncy really good for aoe stuf

yea

[spiral badge]

Yes it will

[tranquil falcon]

screw it

taking miniboss

see you back at styx

[spiral badge]

It’s the weakest of the 3 that count for Zeus legendary

[tranquil falcon]

i mean it's still good

[spiral badge]

But Zeus legendary is Zeus legendary and you don’t care how you get it

[dense ginkgo]

always chaos over meta blues right?

[cloud vault]

Hey pine did you win that fist run?

[tranquil falcon]

ldsghjfhgdh

[dense ginkgo]

no Pheo

[tranquil falcon]

i feel like i'm going to dash onto a spike pad

[dense ginkgo]

Phoe

[tranquil falcon]

and immediately die

[dense ginkgo]

I am gonna win this gun run tho prolly

it is going SWELL so far

[spiral badge]

I wish I could append a tag to my name to tell people that when I call something the weakest of its brothers I don’t mean to insult it as bad. Power is just always relative to what’s around it

[dense ginkgo]

^^^

[tranquil falcon]

i'm going to pray that i don't get sneak

actually

all 3 tartarus minibosses are really bad for me right now

i think doomstone is the easiest to nohit

[misty yoke]

sorry to interrupt. but how can i heal myself ? what is SD healing ?

[dense ginkgo]

I should pick chaos over key right?
and I am at almost max health
chamber 4

[cloud vault]

Ah too bad, you'll get it next time

[tranquil falcon]

stubborn defiance

[tranquil falcon]

yeah

[misty yoke]

ohhh i see.

[spiral badge]

You don’t really need to worry about it until you’re starting to really scratch the surface of the postgame @misty yoke

[slim lynx]

sd healing is mainly used in high heats where there's basically no actual healing

[tranquil falcon]

dgjhlodkgjlkd omg the bomber miniboss is so incredibly scary

[spiral badge]

Yeah ^^

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806597816553963561/unknown.png

I am taking bottom

[tranquil falcon]

asphodel is going to be a nightmare with this

[dense ginkgo]

I usually don't really cast anyways

[tranquil falcon]

yeah take bottom

definitely

[dense ginkgo]

and I LOVE hazard bomb

and I wanna take top

but I am trying to win rn

so bottom

noone will convince me otherwise

[spiral badge]

Sooooo

For the record

As far as penalties go

I just want to point out top

[rare kindle]

Pinecone, why is your screen so dim?

[dense ginkgo]

it isn't?

:P

[spiral badge]

Losing “movement speed” is always much less harmful than losing “dash” speed

[rare kindle]

Yeah, bottom one for sure

[spiral badge]

Be observant of the difference with chaos

[dense ginkgo]

ok

[tranquil falcon]

bottom one

[rare kindle]

Losing cast is basically free unless you’re doing a cast build

[tranquil falcon]

take the special

[dense ginkgo]

I already picked bottom

I love hazard bomb

[spiral badge]

You do most of your moving by dashing anyway, so it doesn’t hurt that bad

[tranquil falcon]

i got extra cast from chaos but it was at the cost of taking damage from casting

[spiral badge]

Just file that away for future chaos curses

[tranquil falcon]

that was with hera bow

[dense ginkgo]

ok

[frozen stirrup]

I’m noticing something about the laser gun

[dense ginkgo]

I wanted to pick top aurash btw
I didn't think it would really hurt
I just knew that I am trying to win rn so I didn't

[frozen stirrup]

it’s amazing against bosses and 1v1 fights but it‘s not great in swarms

[spiral badge]

It doesn’t fire bullets?

Oh, that too

[obsidian kite]

Get Zeus on attack, or use bombs more

[spiral badge]

I know pinecone. I point that out just so you know if you see something like that later, that would have been a very good farming choice

[tranquil falcon]

i don't really take the extra darkness ones unless i'm specifically trying to go for max darkness run

yeah

[dense ginkgo]

I am clearing rooms 100% from hazard bomb without any threat of being anywhere near being hit lmao

[spiral badge]

Start learning and understanding which chaos curses do what, and which ones will hurt you more at any one time

[tranquil falcon]

KALDJGFLKHDG

[obsidian kite]

Triple bomb Lucifer with something like Artemis on special clears mobs like nobody’s business

[tranquil falcon]

whY DID I KEEP BENEFITS PACKAGE ON

[dense ginkgo]

I am only using lmb when hazard doesn't OHKO a room

[tranquil falcon]

numbskull room except they all have forced overtime benefit

nearly made me jump

[spiral badge]

With Lucifer

Lol

Poor thing

That’s a lot of running

[tranquil falcon]

lsdkfhglkj

i swear this run is giving me anxiety

[dense ginkgo]

got a fountain that healed 50% of what it could have

[spiral badge]

Lucifer is the meme gun

[obsidian kite]

Yeah earlygame Lucifer struggles with mobs but a few of the right boons will fix that up real quick

[frozen stirrup]

Now it’s good in spread

[spiral badge]

Don’t feel bad if it feels wonky to you

[dense ginkgo]

ooooh
shop or 60 dark

[frozen stirrup]

Got the tri-shot

[dense ginkgo]

this is a choich

[tranquil falcon]

yooooo

6 health life essence from charon well

lmaooo

[dense ginkgo]

I'll take the shop to try and help this run improve
I don't need to get dark rn

I want to win

[obsidian kite]

May as well shop

[frozen stirrup]

Should i fight charion

[obsidian kite]

Until you can consistently get to the Styx shop you might as well shop

Have you fought Charon before?

[frozen stirrup]

Yes

And it was scary

[obsidian kite]

There’s a prophecy for winning twice in a row

[tranquil falcon]

yeah

charon is scary tho

[dense ginkgo]

Hermes
or Artemis?
I have hazard bomb, storm lightning, and lightning strike

[tranquil falcon]

NOOOO

[obsidian kite]

Artemis special for crit hazard bombs lol

[tranquil falcon]

i can't take a second chaos because i'm only at 17 health

noooooo

[dense ginkgo]

or donate 50 gold to charon cuz I am at max health

[obsidian kite]

Hermes is always good though

[dense ginkgo]

hazard bomb crits
omg
that sounds godly
I'd say it were overkill if bosses didn't exist

[tranquil falcon]

numbskull rooms are scary

[spiral badge]

@frozen stirrup the way I balance fighting Charon or not

If Charon costs you all your DDs

But you still win the fight

Worth

Generally

[frozen stirrup]

I just beat charion and i only took 10 damage

[spiral badge]

The only price not worth paying for that fights reward is death

That’s how I answer that question for myself

[dense ginkgo]

brb

[frozen stirrup]

Laser gun really is amazing against bosses

[tranquil falcon]

i had to go back to em0

because i highly doubt i can no hit em1 furies

HAHAHHA

LMAOOO

I WAS SO PREPARED TO TRY AND NOHIT ALECTO

AND AS SOON AS THE FIGHT STARTS

I IMMEDIATLY WALK ONTO A SPIKE PAD

[dense ginkgo]

reminder that bosses end with fountains

[tranquil falcon]

hopefully i can actually activate high confidence now

[dense ginkgo]

so, hermes or arty guys?
someone said arty
I think they're prolly right

[torn spoke]

for the mirror, im running all purple so far and i have up to olympian favor, any noteworthy greens i should swap?

[drifting robin]

arty

[tranquil falcon]

probably dark regeneration

healing with darkness is worth

[dense ginkgo]

that's two artys
arty it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806601364917583932/unknown.png

guys

[tranquil falcon]

family favourites is probably generally more useful than privelaged status

[dense ginkgo]

no rerolls used

[tranquil falcon]

nice

[dense ginkgo]

guess what I'm picking

[tranquil falcon]

beeg bomb

NOOO

I'M SUCH A DUMBASS

WTF

[obsidian kite]

Eh I pretty much always have a way to keep Privileged Status up at all times

[tranquil falcon]

OUT OF INSTINCT

I CHANGED MY KEEPSAKE TO POSEIDON

BECAUSE I WAS GOING FOR SEA STORM

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806601553413931068/unknown.png

[long burrow]

what are good boons for the zeus aspect shield

[tranquil falcon]

welp

time to reset my run

[dense ginkgo]

this is what I overall got

I am picking top

[tranquil falcon]

yeah just take the special

[dense ginkgo]

you can't convince me otherwise I think

[tranquil falcon]

welp

time to redo tartarus

[dense ginkgo]

I bet that's a 20% chance to OHKO meg
not really
but like tbh sorta

[obsidian kite]

Wait why do you have to reset because you picked Poseidon

[tranquil falcon]

i'm doing a meme run

pierced butterfly

guan yu

high confidence

[obsidian kite]

Oh

[dense ginkgo]

miniboss arty next

damn
hazard bomb
two zeus
then two arty

this game is really trying to give me the good stuff

the miniboss is just a pair of skelebombers
this'll be quick >:)

[tranquil falcon]

yooo

high confidence actually active

i completely forgot about guan yu spin

[dense ginkgo]

guys
I am so confident rn
I feel like I should have picked high confidence

meg is gonna damage me tho
even if I kill her in 10 seconds

[tranquil falcon]

wtf

stop giving me forced overtime doomstones

i hate this

fsdjlkhgkjg

i'm back at 4 health

there goes the 1%

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806602942517215243/unknown.png

bottom two for sure

or reroll

question is which

I would think mark?

[tranquil falcon]

what other boons do you have

from arty

[dense ginkgo]

just special

[tranquil falcon]

probably mark

ig

[dense ginkgo]

I would think so yeah

[obsidian kite]

Support fire is great with laser

[dense ginkgo]

12 dmg seems so miniscule compared to hazard bomb and primary rn

lmao

[obsidian kite]

Thing is you fire really fast so you get a lot of them

[desert cypress]

Hey lads I beat 32 heat

[obsidian kite]

OTOH bomb hits a lot of targets so you get a lot of chances to proc Hunters Mark

[dense ginkgo]

but like
hazard bomb
and getting enemies to have like 60% crit chance or smtn

[tranquil falcon]

i'm not skipping support fire because low damage

support fire does good work

many damage

[dense ginkgo]

yes it is good

[tranquil falcon]

i'm only picking mark because it's good setup for future boons and stuff

[obsidian kite]

Take one and then get the other later

[dense ginkgo]

but hazard bomb

[desert cypress]

Better yet, I beat 32 heat on my first attempt of the day

[tranquil falcon]

since you're only in tartarus

yes i KNOW

[obsidian kite]

Mark is almost always good

[tranquil falcon]

^

that's why i'm picking it

if this was at the end of a run

i'd probably pick support fire

but since there's stilla lot more to go

i'd take mark

because it stays relevant better

ig

[obsidian kite]

I prefer mark when my crit boon is on a faster attack but it could work with hazard bomb

[tranquil falcon]

^

[obsidian kite]

Try it out

[dense ginkgo]

darn
I was grabbed once by a hand
6 damage
tainting my capped health

this run is already so fun

and hazard bomb just got 75% stronger cuz chaos evolved

73% specifically

pom over gold right?
but I only have 72 gold

I have some boons screaming for an upgrade

all of them really

lmao

[tranquil falcon]

eh

with that one it's really up to you

[dense ginkgo]

anyone else gonna say something?

cuz I am sorta split

[obsidian kite]

Early poms have more impact

[dense ginkgo]

I guess I'd go pom without any other input

[tranquil falcon]

hammer

charged skewer please

please

YESSSSSSSSSS

this run is saved

[drifting robin]

U doing GY?

[obsidian kite]

I lean a bit more toward gold since I run golden touch and I always try to buy the resource in the Styx shop, but if you’re not there yet then Pom is fine, especially since all your boons could use a pom

[tranquil falcon]

yeah, more specifically with pierced butterfly and high confidence 🙂

[drifting robin]

I was going to do that later today

[willow haven]

[obsidian kite]

I’m not brave enough to run Guan Yu with 25 starting health lol

[drifting robin]

GY is a lot of fun with charged skewer

[dense ginkgo]

is 25 start from heat?

cuz base min is 50

[willow haven]

isn't that the only good guan yu build

[obsidian kite]

No, Guan Yu cuts your health in half

[tranquil falcon]

guan yu cuts your health in half

[drifting robin]

I was stupid to not upgrade it when I first unlocked it and went full yolo the fist time. Somehow managed to escape

[drifting robin]

At max lvl

[dense ginkgo]

what else does it do?

nothing?

[willow haven]

heals on heavy attack

[obsidian kite]

You can heal

[willow haven]

aoe special

[drifting robin]

I mean your spin attack like spins and heals

[tranquil falcon]

it's one of the hidden aspects so the entire kit is completely different

[drifting robin]

But the special is probably the best part

[obsidian kite]

And special is better

[dense ginkgo]

oh huh

[tranquil falcon]

the special has giant hitbox

does giant damage

[willow haven]

the special is the only good part

[tranquil falcon]

^

lmao

[dense ginkgo]

well
pom time

[tranquil falcon]

the spin attack shoots out a spin

[willow haven]

attack sequence takes a year to complete

[drifting robin]

Special + Pierced butterfly + arty special op

[tranquil falcon]

and it helas on hits

i'm doing meme run because why not

[obsidian kite]

Yeah I never use the attack sequence

[tranquil falcon]

i need to get the pierced butterfly achievment on steam anyways

[obsidian kite]

I alternate spins and specials

[tranquil falcon]

so might as well

[drifting robin]

Yeah I didnt use my attack once during my escape

[tranquil falcon]

^

also worth noting

that on top of high confidence

[willow haven]

you're doing something wrong if you use attack on guan yu

[tranquil falcon]

i also have 100% hard labour

and 50% lasting consequences

i'm doing no hit so i shouldn't get hit

🙂

[obsidian kite]

Although one time I got triple attack with Athena

[drifting robin]

sounds fun

[obsidian kite]

Deflected a ton of stuff

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806606483173146734/unknown.png

[willow haven]

gets hit by chaos gate

[dense ginkgo]

the one missing option is the worst one to buff

so lol

[obsidian kite]

Flourish

[tranquil falcon]

chaos gate room 1 brought me down to 4 hp

[obsidian kite]

Not even a question

[willow haven]

someone yesterday had like 2 hp lol

[fervent elbow]

4 hp is fine if you don't get hit

[dense ginkgo]

not mark?

[tranquil falcon]

i had to turn off EM completely

[tranquil falcon]

flourish

it's gonna be a lot better than makr

[obsidian kite]

You don’t need to upgrade mark

[drifting robin]

em1 and 2 arent that bad

[tranquil falcon]

mark is the support

flourish is the main dps

[dense ginkgo]

ok flourish it is

[drifting robin]

But em3. Beyblade let it ripppppp

[desert cypress]

Hey, did you know that you can get into the Wretched Broker’s booth?

[obsidian kite]

Make your bombs bigger

[tranquil falcon]

yeah but i doubt i can nohit em1

[drifting robin]

tru

Especially if you get alectos blade thing

[tranquil falcon]

and i also doubt i can nohit hydra

heroes are scary em3

and i have never beaten/tried em4

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806606921410281552/unknown.png

[tranquil falcon]

lmao

[dense ginkgo]

time for some big fun

without any downside

[obsidian kite]

inb4 dies to trove

[dense ginkgo]

I'm gonna get like 140 lmao cuz of hazard

and the room is already fully broken

[tranquil falcon]

what i DIDNT turn off however

was benefit package

so i have to pray that i don't see forced overtime enemies

or else i'm screwed

dude i had a room with forced overtime numbskulls

i'm surprised i even survived, let alone no hit

[willow fossil]

Lol forced overtime is fine, the cloning one is where is at

[dense ginkgo]

119 dark

[willow haven]

yooo that suuucks

[tranquil falcon]

time to lose every single pierced butterfly in asphodel because of magma

🙂

[willow haven]

i have no idea how to counter that when using melee builds

[desert cypress]

Imagine losing more health than you gain from a health trove

[dense ginkgo]

2nd pom
or store with only 91 gold
OFC pom right?

@desert cypress :)

[tranquil falcon]

pom probably

[obsidian kite]

you can't afford anything other than like health and pom slice and resources

[willow fossil]

You thought forced overtime is bad?

[willow fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/207028465822728192/789350139168161833/unknown.png

[obsidian kite]

this is why I don't have that achievement yet lol

[desert cypress]

I’m starting to think that I’m good at this game, I’ve done 3 crazy runs in the span of 2 days

[willow haven]

damn how much heat

[desert cypress]

32

[willow haven]

[dense ginkgo]

the pom room was empty and shaped like a shop
and just before meg or sisters

why was it empty

[willow fossil]

What's worse than forced overtime? Forced overtime with 4 shields

[willow haven]

i'm not even close to 32

[desert cypress]

Yeah I beat 32 heat on my first attempt today

[willow haven]

that's pog

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806607921545871400/unknown.png

[willow haven]

what heat setup did you go

[dense ginkgo]

flourish again?

lmao watch me OHKO hades with a crit on hazard bomb

[willow fossil]

Thats the goal

[dense ginkgo]

actual chuckle yes it is indeed

do I do flourish again though?

[willow fossil]

Yes

Why wouldn't you

[dense ginkgo]

idk

cuz one of you would tell me to and why

[willow fossil]

Why tf do you want 6 bounces

[obsidian kite]

if you have one move that overwhelmingly does most of your damage

then pump it up

[desert cypress]

Pretty standard, TD3, LC4, EM3, HL2, JS3, UC, DC2, BP1, and FO1

[willow fossil]

Or 12% more chances that relies on Critting to begin with

[obsidian kite]

but also

[dense ginkgo]

ok top again it is

[obsidian kite]

I would recommend that you just play

and try stuff out

instead of asking every single time you get a choice

[willow haven]

do you have a screenshot

[obsidian kite]

you'll figure it out eventually

[desert cypress]

Yeah I do

[willow fossil]

I told you the why

[desert cypress]

I screenshot all my runs that I’m proud of

[willow haven]

please post it in #h1-victory-boasting, i'm too young for these abbreviations

[desert cypress]

Ok

Lemme just snag it from my switch

Just a sec

[obsidian kite]

oooh darker thirst is on sword

I get to do another Arthur run

time to get Heart Rend for like the 4th time in a row lol

[dense ginkgo]

got called a murderer and ended the fight post fountain with just -11 hp
by the gods this is going so well
thank you Daedelus
thank you Arty
thank you Zeus
thank you fruit of the underworld

I will get all that health back from just traversing 6 rooms

[willow fossil]

Thank you nyx

[dense ginkgo]

OH

[willow haven]

mommy nyx

[tranquil falcon]

the room before bosses is always empty

[willow fossil]

Nyx doesn't get recognition

[dense ginkgo]

and thank you chaos

and thank you nyx

[willow fossil]

And she gave yall a mirror

Plus contact with cousin athena

[dense ginkgo]

what keepsake do I take now?

athena for divine dash like the guide says?

or arty for legend maybe?

if possible

or what?

[willow fossil]

Just an FYI, you can't 100% follow guides

You have to adapt to your run

And your playstyle

[west sleet]

is it generally accepted that "good" builds focus on two gods? i dont really fancy playing without athenas dash but i dont like any of her other boons. is 2 gods + athena dash okay? HAHA

[willow haven]

there are guides?

[willow fossil]

Of course lol

[obsidian kite]

try stuff out

[willow haven]

[willow fossil]

^

Discover things

This isnt a meta rpg

Is a roguelite

Is a variety genre

[obsidian kite]

increasing your skill will do more for your game than any guide

and if you die, great, you learned that it didn't work

and you got some resources

[dense ginkgo]

I want y'all to tell me though
which keepsake do I take

IDC that you think I shouldn't ask

[obsidian kite]

and I'm telling you to try stuff for yourself

[dense ginkgo]

I want to ask

someone else actually give me what I want please

[willow fossil]

K

Where are you

[willow haven]

u can go with this

safer overall

[dense ginkgo]

distant memory maybe?

[willow fossil]

Where are you

[dense ginkgo]

starting the 2nd floor

[willow fossil]

Get coin purse

[willow haven]

nono

[willow fossil]

If you didnt start with it

Ez money

100 is yummy

[dense ginkgo]

pierced butterfly?

[willow fossil]

Lol no

[tranquil falcon]

nah

[willow haven]

no

[willow fossil]

You start with that one

You dont switch

[tranquil falcon]

butterfly and plume only keep the buff if you keep it on

[willow fossil]

^

[willow haven]

just go with a duo god one or athena

[tranquil falcon]

yeah

[willow fossil]

I'd put on coin purse, ez money

[dense ginkgo]

so should I just go athena?

[tranquil falcon]

i'm guessing you already took zeus

[willow haven]

yah

[dense ginkgo]

I did zeus first yeah

LMAO imagine using the pool of purging

[willow haven]

don't sweat it tho, you'll eventually be able to make these decisions by yourself

[dense ginkgo]

I don't even need to look at it

[willow haven]

you'll start using it for heat 😄

[dense ginkgo]

though
might purging be nice if I could rid of the +4 bounces?

[willow fossil]

I use underworld customs, im forced to use the purging lmfao

[dense ginkgo]

tbh sorta really minor

[willow haven]

nah doesn't really matter tbh

[obsidian kite]

this Arthur build is really random lol

[willow fossil]

If you think you'll need the money, might as well

[willow haven]

you aren't going for a specific build

[obsidian kite]

Poseidon attack, Aphro special, Artemis dash

let's see how this goes

[willow haven]

poseidon attack is for me

[dense ginkgo]

oh I'd have to reroll to purge +4 bounces
nvm not worth a reroll

[desert cypress]

Hey Sabita, the screenshot is in #h1-victory-boasting

[willow fossil]

Def not worth a reroll

[dense ginkgo]

yarn of ariadne, trove tracker... both look good

I can only buy one

should I take yarn?

my next should be athena dash

right?

[obsidian kite]

I take yarn every time

[willow fossil]

Trove tracker is trash

[obsidian kite]

although if you're going for athena next it's wasted

Athena dash rarity doesn't matter

[dense ginkgo]

is yarn worth it for athena dash?

[willow fossil]

No

[dense ginkgo]

oh ok then

so keep my 91g

[willow fossil]

But trove tracker is trash

Don't buy that

Unless you need the meta currency

[willow haven]

just keep experimenting, no need to sweat it lol

[willow fossil]

Bad

[willow fossil]

Nono don't tell them that

[obsidian kite]

I usually don't like it, but I didn't get Aid after one reroll, and any % attack boon is fine on Arthur

[frozen stirrup]

So I have Charm

[obsidian kite]

gonna try to get wave pounding for huge damage vs bosses

[dense ginkgo]

also
in relation to y'all telling me to keep experimenting
let me say I am autistic
I think me experimenting won't teach me anything
I learn from people directly telling me with words "XYZ is good in XYZ situation"

[willow haven]

yeah but this is a roguelike

[willow fossil]

Tjats not how roguelikes work

Theres no rule of thumb here

You need to adapt

Theres no this situation for this

Is part of the genre

[willow haven]

if it was league of legends then you'd be right

[willow fossil]

But it isnt

[willow haven]

but this one is random

"no two runs are the same"

[willow fossil]

I had skipped duos and legendary before because it simply didn't fit the build

[dense ginkgo]

I've been having fun and working this way so far

[willow fossil]

Yes but is hard to help

Cause it also depends on your playstyle

[willow haven]

i had the biggest bruh moment today

was trying to finish hermes quest

https://i.imgur.com/BUIxApJ.jpg

[willow fossil]

Oof

I always use ap2, so I know the deal

Lol

But not even that

I'm talking about actually skipping it

Without ap

[willow haven]

i'm an absolute pepega for going ap while trying to finish quest

[obsidian kite]

yeah that's why I got those out of the way early lol

[willow fossil]

Like willingly skipping

[obsidian kite]

oh yeah I skip duos too sometimes

[willow fossil]

It happens

Theres no perfect scenario

[willow haven]

wait what

always skip the meme beams on you?

[willow fossil]

I do

[dense ginkgo]

OMG

[willow fossil]

That sucks imo

[dense ginkgo]

OMG

OH MY GODS

[willow haven]

that's what i typed i think

[cunning urchin]

Haelian has created a series of video guides that might help you. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmj6-vxquxwS0UXHEpzhS8ExlDs3Z-yku

[willow fossil]

Notice the keyword, "might"

[obsidian kite]

^I like those guides because they're really general

[dense ginkgo]

shop
or Zeus+Arty

[obsidian kite]

"hey any of these 4 boons might work"

[willow fossil]

Duo

[obsidian kite]

not "use this exact build"

[willow fossil]

Yrp

[willow haven]

is that a duo or 2 god room

[willow fossil]

Trial

[dense ginkgo]

2 god room

[willow fossil]

I forget to differentiate them in the channel

Yeah is a trial

[obsidian kite]

lol I could get a fourth god in Tartarus and really mess up my run

[dense ginkgo]

I take the pair of gods right?

[willow fossil]

Yes

Well

[cunning urchin]

@dense ginkgo Wriste13's guide on speedrun basics is also really good—even if you don't intend to speedrun, he has a lot of good tips. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

[proven osprey]

F a s t

[willow haven]

hermes go brrrr

i heckin love hermes and dio dialogues

[willow fossil]

Hey there slowpoke

[dense ginkgo]

what does angering zeus and arty do?

[willow haven]

you get arrows if you take zeus and lightning if you take arty

[willow fossil]

Anger art

[dense ginkgo]

in what way though

[willow fossil]

I think she's ez

[obsidian kite]

they attack you

[willow haven]

[willow fossil]

They both attack you

[willow haven]

from above/below

[dense ginkgo]

but like
is one harder

[willow fossil]

I think art is ez af

[willow haven]

nah both are fine

[willow fossil]

It depends on you

[obsidian kite]

not really

Athena is the easiest one

[willow haven]

the only hard ones are demeter and dio for me

[obsidian kite]

huh, I don't like Aphro and Poseidon

[willow fossil]

I think aphro is easy, but some people say is the hardest, is up to you

[obsidian kite]

b/c I lose track of the projectile really easily

[cunning urchin]

Circles appear on the ground, stay away from the circles or you'll take damage. That's basically it for both Lady Artemis's and Lord Zeus's trial.

[willow haven]

DUDE APHRO IS

[willow fossil]

How you play

[willow haven]

the heart literally chases you till death

[dry ember]

with my hands mostly

[willow haven]

[willow fossil]

I play with my stomach

[cunning urchin]

Good.

[dense ginkgo]

so I am guessing maybe I should take arty

[obsidian kite]

I especially had Aphro in Elysium b/c it's like in a wall half the time and you can't see it

[dense ginkgo]

I think that boon might be better

[obsidian kite]

you get both anyway

[dense ginkgo]

yeah

[obsidian kite]

you get the other one when you win

[dense ginkgo]

but order matters

[obsidian kite]

not really

[cunning urchin]

m rooting for Lady Aphrodite. That's what you get for disrespecting her.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806614780717826118/unknown.png

middle?

[dry ember]

which weapon?

[dense ginkgo]

I am using gun

hazard bomb

[dry ember]

support fire

[dense ginkgo]

zeus weapon

+4 bounce

[dry ember]

unless hestia

[dense ginkgo]

I have arty special

I have marked

those are everything

[dry ember]

support fire

[proven osprey]

Support fire

[cunning urchin]

erif troppuS

[willow haven]

i'm a simp for aphrodite

[dry ember]

➕ 🔥

[flint pawn]

Support fire is almost always a no-brainer for me. My favorite boon so far

[willow haven]

that's a ➕

[proven osprey]

Helpful conflagration?

[willow fossil]

It doesn't, the order is just to determine who you fight

[dry ember]

Holy Consecration

[opal lodge]

i roll for pp tbh

PP + mark is so strong

[dry ember]

pp is small

i don't like pp

only 6%

[opal lodge]

pp + marked though

[dense ginkgo]

eee

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806615799300358204/unknown.png

[proven osprey]

Goobye

[willow haven]

huge pp

[dense ginkgo]

EXPAND CMON

[opal lodge]

jolted ez

[dense ginkgo]

ok guess you have to click it

yeah I was thinking jolted

[dry ember]

🌩️ 💩

[willow haven]

discord chat plays hades, ft. Pinecone

[brazen nest]

Guys, help, I'm going to try using the sword for reals, which aspect (besides arthur), keepsakes and gods I should go for?

[spiral badge]

Nemesis Artemis

[dry ember]

nemesis + hunter + deadly strike

[spiral badge]

Have fun and don’t look back

Also Poseidon is fun for cast stuff

[brazen nest]

Special then atk atk atk?

[spiral badge]

And zag is fun for cursed slash meming

Special than dash attack 2x

[opal lodge]

special > dash strike twice

[dense ginkgo]

aphrodite or guaranteed athena that is going to happen anyways?

[dry ember]

spec then dash trike x how many you have (usually 2)

[spiral badge]

Lookup “intermediate sword techniques hades” on YT

there’s a great guide on it

[dense ginkgo]

my special > dash strike 10 times

rn

[spiral badge]

Sword takes a little tech to make it shine

[dense ginkgo]

lmao

[spiral badge]

But it’s easy to learn

[dry ember]

yeah good video. incredible nitpick is that the dude claimed he invented it

[brazen nest]

I'm going to spend all my blood in nemesis haha

[spiral badge]

Not a bad choice at all

[brazen nest]

By all, all 3 of them

[dry ember]

I don't think he invented the spec => 2x ds

[spiral badge]

Oof

[opal lodge]

who is the guy?

[spiral badge]

Gabriel what aspects do you have unlocked?

[dry ember]

just google intermediate sword guide hades

[brazen nest]

I could trade in some ambrosia for a lvl 3 nemesis

[spiral badge]

What weapons do you like?

You can’t buy much

[brazen nest]

Nemesis, chiron and zag bow

[dry ember]

the vid is good so don't hate on the guy. it's a nitpick as I said

[spiral badge]

But we can make that blood go far as we can

[dense ginkgo]

aphrodite or athena that will still happen if I don't pick athena

[proven osprey]

Just google GY guide

[opal lodge]

ag

[proven osprey]

You'll find

Eh

[opal lodge]

museus' is better lol

[brazen nest]

I'm pretty ok with the bow

[spiral badge]

Did you get zag bow max?

Zag bow is a killer for 5 blood

If you like bow

[brazen nest]

Nope not yet

[spiral badge]

Hit that up first

[brazen nest]

I was going chiron in a super lame play

[spiral badge]

Get you one good strong weapon to be Old Reliable for you at first

[dry ember]

High chance of you getting a trashy tier list

Don't do it

[spiral badge]

Just find one you love and focus it to max. That will give you the breathing room to learn the rest of the game around

IMO

[dense ginkgo]

I should take aphrodite over forced athena right?

[brazen nest]

My bow is at heat 1 now

[spiral badge]

For your first aspect*

[dry ember]

It depends on what you want from aphrodite

[brazen nest]

Heat 2 actually

[spiral badge]

After that feel free to shop around

[obsidian kite]

man I love fighting EM Lerny with Arthur

[dense ginkgo]

IDEK what I want from aphrodite

[obsidian kite]

just stand in the middle of the lava and swing lol

[brazen nest]

I have shield with zag 5

[dry ember]

But in general ig it doesn't matter because both Aphrodite and Athena are good.

[spiral badge]

But that first one you want to get maxxed up so it can be your bedrock

Ok that’s good

[dense ginkgo]

call I guess

[spiral badge]

You have some space to play then

[brazen nest]

I just need to not face block atk

[spiral badge]

Do you like fists?

[brazen nest]

Never tried it properly

[dense ginkgo]

aphro call is best call right?

[spiral badge]

Talos is a really fun pick

Try it for one of your 3 blood

[brazen nest]

I let the thirst define my 3rd weapon

[spiral badge]

See if you like it

[brazen nest]

Ended up being sword

[spiral badge]

Word

I’m just thinking about what’s the best I can buy you for 3 blood

[brazen nest]

I actually have 4 blood and 2 ambrosia

[spiral badge]

Honestly I think my answer is you should unlock all the one blood wonder weapon classes in the game if you haven’t already

That will go the furthest for giving you new toys to play with

[brazen nest]

And I didn't even best theseus with spear fists and sword yet

[spiral badge]

Poseidon sword, Hera bow, talos fists

[cunning urchin]

You should always take a boon from Lady Aphrodite over anything else. This is the right decision.

[dense ginkgo]

lost a DD to witches circle

AAAAUGH

[spiral badge]

One blood in each of those gives you 3 capable weapons to screw around with

[dense ginkgo]

Nyaa I will never trust you saying that

[obsidian kite]

Zeus shield is also really good with only 1 level

[spiral badge]

Without needing much more to be good and clear runs with honestly

[dense ginkgo]

you are obsessed with er

her*

[brazen nest]

Poseidon is 2 tho

[spiral badge]

Yeaz Zeus shield is in there too

[brazen nest]

Nemesis is one

[dry ember]

is it me or Discord image embed is crapping itself?

[spiral badge]

Oh, is Poseidon two?

[proven osprey]

u

[spiral badge]

Perhaps I misspoke. I mean to say they only need one stack of upgrade to be competitive

[brazen nest]

Hera is also 2. Chiron is 1

[spiral badge]

Whatever that cost is

[patent pewter]

Eris rail pretty pog too but it's 2 blood

[brazen nest]

Ah, ye

Ok, let me reset quickly then

[dry ember]

so succinct much wow

[spiral badge]

Chiron isn’t great until Max tbh

It’s amazing, but not until it’s in full monster mode

[brazen nest]

I like it as it is, really helps a lame play style

Hahhaa

[spiral badge]

Just you wait and see

[cunning urchin]

@dry ember images in #h1-victory-boasting aren't loading for me on mobile.

[obsidian kite]

don't worry that much about "wasting" blood

[spiral badge]

Chiron is arguably the weakest weapon with little upgrading

[obsidian kite]

you'll get more, just keep playing

[spiral badge]

And you seem to do well with it already

Just wait and see

[brazen nest]

So, talos, eris, poseidon?

Or should I go nemesis?

[spiral badge]

Hera

[brazen nest]

Oh,hera, reload

[cunning urchin]

No, it's true love.

[spiral badge]

Ehhhhh I feel you’re going to buy yourself lots of treats to get lost in for that blood spend right now

[proven osprey]

@dry ember I'm trying to keep it simple

[spiral badge]

Get yourself nemesis next time by 😉

[brazen nest]

Nemesis it is then, I want to try sword properly

Is just 1 lvl good enough?

[spiral badge]

Ah, ok lol

I meant the opposite of that

But it’s hard not to endorse investing in nemesis

[dense ginkgo]

AUGH

LOST A SECOND DD

[spiral badge]

Put it this way

[brazen nest]

It's just that dark thirst and all hahhaahah

[spiral badge]

Right now your 4 blood can buy you 3 weapons to play with

Or a part of 1

That 1 is damn good, but the choice is yours

[dense ginkgo]

hermes or shop?

I have just under 400 gold

398

[brazen nest]

I mean, I still need to beat hydra with the sword, so there's that

[spiral badge]

It’s up to you my guy

[brazen nest]

I'll try nemesis with artemis

Which keepsake?

[spiral badge]

Like I said you could put it elsewhere but I literally cannot tell you that spending blood on nemesis is a bad idea

Like saying 2+2=5

Artemis for sure, and for the rest of your nemesis career

You may as well get used to nemesis right away

[dense ginkgo]

do I pick hermes or a shop?

[jovial fulcrum]

Hey quick question, just advice for a boon pick.
Different League or Dying Lament? Demeter Fist, with Aphro Attack and Arte Flourish/Cast. A lot of my damage is the Aphro/Arte duo boon.

[spiral badge]

Hermès pinecone

How much gold do you have?

[dense ginkgo]

398

[spiral badge]

Shop then

[dense ginkgo]

do I buy demeter?

IDK if it would do much really for my build

[brazen nest]

I'm wondering if 4% more crit is worth 2 blood

[spiral badge]

See what she has to offer

@brazen nest the choice is yours buddy, but that’s what I was getting at

[dense ginkgo]

LMAO it's boss next and I didn't even get the god that my keepsake offered

[spiral badge]

With what you have right now

[obsidian kite]

don't overthink it, you will get more blood by playing

[spiral badge]

You can buy 2-3 aspects that are fully functional

Or that little piece of nemesis

[brazen nest]

Let's go full nemesis, up to lvl 3

[spiral badge]

Alright, hit it!

Best to learn nemesis early and often anyway

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806620496904978452/unknown.png

guys my athena keepsake went unused
boss is next

lmao

I would think frozen touch

[spiral badge]

Do you have ps?

[dense ginkgo]

PS?

[obsidian kite]

wow that was such a sloppy heroes fight

I actually lost a life from full health with Arthur and an Aphrodite boon and a Bouldy heal, that should not happen

I completely whiffed on the Bouldy summon lol

[willow fossil]

What

Did you like not go to athena at all, or did she not show up

[dense ginkgo]

I took aphro over athena
and now my keepsake still has a use

[willow fossil]

Are you out of asphodel

[dense ginkgo]

no

[willow fossil]

Then is fine

[dense ginkgo]

I have boss next tho

[willow fossil]

Bruh

You went an entire biome and only found 1 athena?

[dense ginkgo]

what do I take from demeter? bottom?

[dense ginkgo]

yep

[willow fossil]

Welp

What's your build

[proven osprey]

Once I had owl pendant for Asphodel. Got her boon chamber 22

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806622245174116422/unknown.png

do you need me to list each individual boon name?

[willow fossil]

No

[dense ginkgo]

that has hazard bomb btw

[willow fossil]

Depending on how you play, you can complement the cast in it, or frozen touch

[dense ginkgo]

I don't use cast really

[willow fossil]

Then frozen touch

[patent pewter]

I'd go frozen touch too

[willow fossil]

I like demeter cast with certain duos

Is fun

[patent pewter]

not the crystal beam meme again 😂

[willow fossil]

Listen here

[patent pewter]

takes duos and good chaos/Charon well luck for it to be actually good

[willow fossil]

is fun

[patent pewter]

it's... alright haha I did it for the prophecy and never going back again

[dense ginkgo]

so keep pendant since it didn't trigger?

[willow fossil]

Do you want her dash still?

[dense ginkgo]

it would be nice wouldn't it?

[willow fossil]

Idk, are you taking a lot of dmg?

Having problems dodging?

Cause hazard bomb changes the gamestyle

[dense ginkgo]

I think it would help

[willow fossil]

Athena dash is really good, but not mandatory

Then get it

[brazen nest]

I just noticed I don't have PS unlocked

Lol

I was using family favorite

[dense ginkgo]

should I purge frozen touch?

[brazen nest]

So dumb

I'll try using it when going for the shield next time

[willow fossil]

Do you need the money?

[obsidian kite]

• goes into an extra Styx room to get a +2 pom
• sells the potent pom duo in the room

[willow fossil]

[dense ginkgo]

I have only 1 DD
so yes

[obsidian kite]

I did get enough money to buy two more things at the shop so it was worth it, just thought it was funny lol

[willow fossil]

Then do it

Lil if you only have 1 dd in asphodel. Then you definitely need athena dash

Athena also replenishes dds

[dense ginkgo]

gods, should I even purge zeus' attack?
cuz hazard bomb is so much more important

[willow fossil]

Are you getting use of zeus attack?

[dense ginkgo]

I am using it

it is probably like 20% of my dps or smtn

[willow fossil]

Do you think you'll be fine purging it?

[dense ginkgo]

yes

[willow fossil]

Then do it

[obsidian kite]

the other question is what do you really have to spend the money on

[dense ginkgo]

DD

[willow fossil]

Dds

Lol

[obsidian kite]

can you not afford it without purging

[dense ginkgo]

I had 88 gold

lol

[willow fossil]

Needs 2, thats whopping 400

[dense ginkgo]

^

[obsidian kite]

• if they appear

[willow fossil]

Yep

[dense ginkgo]

well
I might not win if they don't appear

so I might need it

[willow fossil]

Then that's ok

Losing is ok

This is the one genre where dying is ok

I've even done suicide runs

[brazen nest]

So unlucky

Artemis gave me cast special and dash

First boon

Oof

[dense ginkgo]

pom still better than 100 gold right?
I have 328 gold now btw

[willow fossil]

Depends

[brazen nest]

Let's go cast just cause it's the next on the fated list

[spiral badge]

@brazen nest artemis dash is a good bootleg substitute for her attack

[willow fossil]

You might want the gold, for the dds

[spiral badge]

Especially on things like nem and crit runs

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806625862349750302/unknown.png

[willow fossil]

Or do you need the poms on the special

[brazen nest]

I want athena dash

[spiral badge]

ah

I see

Understandable

[brazen nest]

Let's hope I get atk next boon

[spiral badge]

Arty cast is very good too

[willow fossil]

Me personally would go for gold

Mainly cause I use pom blossom

[dense ginkgo]

but I am not using pom blossom

[willow fossil]

Is the q doing enough dmg

Does it need a pom

[dense ginkgo]

vs normal enemies it typically OHKOs
also this is a new floor

IDEK

but I could always deal more damage to the boss

[brazen nest]

Oof, hammer was not optimal, I think I'll get hoarding slash

I dunno, the other 2 feel useless

[spiral badge]

What did you get

[willow fossil]

Then take the pom if you want more dmg

[spiral badge]

This is important

Sword hammers are the worst of the lot sadly

[brazen nest]

World splitter and flurry

[spiral badge]

It’s important not to trap yourself

[willow fossil]

Keep I mind, you might not get to upgrade the q

[spiral badge]

Flurry is actually the least offensive there

[brazen nest]

And hoarding slash

[spiral badge]

Flurry is the asterisk to needing to dash attack when playing sword

Take flurry I say, you’ll get more crit chance out of additional hits

[brazen nest]

Okay

[spiral badge]

Flurry is one of the sword hammers that falls under “not run-making, but not offensive and mildly useful”

[obsidian kite]

NOOOOO

had a sliver of health left on EM4 Hades

[brazen nest]

I hate when chaos appears when I get sysyphus

[spiral badge]

Which as reserved a description that is, actually makes it pretty much A-tier for sword

Oooof

[obsidian kite]

I hit call a tiny bit too early

[spiral badge]

If you have nectar to give