I should probably try harder to get backstabs
#h1-builds-and-combat
drifting robin
Where are you at?
dense ginkgo
"
drifting robin
Idk what that means
drifting robin
ok
half crater
what’s the aspect
drifting robin
I never take chamber previews so I would take middle
dense ginkgo
zag malphon
coral cave
Zag fists I think
half crater
backstab for sure
drifting robin
hmm what keepsake?
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3 pinecone
drifting robin
ok
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If you’re playing fists halfway right, you want 3 the most of all those
dense ginkgo
and not triggered yet
drifting robin
If you can go fast enough use hermes keepsake
dense ginkgo
I play slow
drifting robin
With some extra dodge chance from him youll be pracically invincible
I got 30 % dodge from the plum a few days ago and I barely took any damage in the final boss
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Hermès goes well with fists but you have to build fists right around it
Can’t get away with a sloppy build for good effectiveness
dense ginkgo
3 options for rooms
but doesn't matter :P
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Fortunately it’s not hard. Its really more you’re not allowed to build fists wrong with Hermès
drifting robin
Still very good
drifting robin
Plus I got rush delivery from hermes
dense ginkgo
is there any higher chance if I choose left or right or middle?
or is it expected; don't think and just pick my favorite side cuz it's literally not gonna make a difference
drifting robin
So that was cool
dense ginkgo
cuz I am blinded to my choices
drifting robin
is there any higher chance if I choose left or right or middle?
or is it expecte...
nope all rng
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Pinecone
dense ginkgo
yes?
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Do you, but that dash strike boost is a big deal
Especially to your build in particular
drifting robin
Yes on the fists it is very good
dense ginkgo
I did not understand that
drifting robin
Because you should be dash striking everywhere
dense ginkgo
I dash enough it is a big benefit
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With Athena on attack you should be dash striking quite a lot
dense ginkgo
yeah
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Doubly so for Athena because fists have a very safe dash strike hitbox that becomes your reflector
Which is one of the few safer ways to exist than just dashing around itself
And that damage is very meaningful to you
dense ginkgo
so like
what are you trying to say?
I already chose bottom
dense ginkgo
I am trying to know if I should pick whatever side I want for next room
cuz it's pure RNG right?
drifting robin
yes
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Oh yeah
dense ginkgo
so middle just cuz I wanna?
coral cave
I don't see why not
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You don’t know what the rooms are, and because of the way rng works even the game doesn’t truly know what the rooms are 
You’re in the blind right now. Press on
dense ginkgo
You don’t know what the rooms are, and because of the way rng works even the gam...
LMAO
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I’m serious
dense ginkgo
that is hilarious
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It’s a madhouse going on behind the curtain
coral cave
It just gives you something
dense ginkgo
even the game doesn't know yet I find that so hilarious
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It doesn’t know fully
dense ginkgo
it's an encounter
does the game still not know?
or has it decided what it will give me?
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It doesn’t decide the fate of the room until you actually press the button to unlock it
And even that is an interaction of two separate RNG systems mashing against each other endlessly
So it truly is this side of blind
Behind the curtain wild yo
dense ginkgo
but does it know now?
I picked the room and it's an encounter
I haven't let any time pass so I don't even know if than yet, but does the game know now?
oh and it isn't a miniboss
that is all I know
does the game decide already what I get or will it decide when the last enemy dies?
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The die is cast when the two rng systems are mashed together and collide to create the room.
dense ginkgo
ok
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But until that moment your guess is as good as the games
dense ginkgo
so it already decided
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Semi-yes
dense ginkgo
I find that useless info interesting
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It keeps going but I’m not going to clog the channel
dense ginkgo
it's than
damn
I really paused early
LMAO
5(6) gems
that was what it decided
REALLY
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And press on
dense ginkgo
OF ALL THINGS
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Blind as ever
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Than is a contest of skill. You have to outkill Death itself
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Death sucks at his job given the way it usually goes
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You need to end up with more than him by the time the room is over. I don’t know if there’s a threshold there to get the heart, just go for maximum overkill
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If it fills a 3rd yeah
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If you have 2 DDs and $200 in your pocket, you have $0 dollars in your pocket. Play like that
I believe it’s not offered in the item pool if it can’t do anything for you
Take that as you will
If it’s showing up, you should be down at least one
dense ginkgo
ey I found a gold urn while trying to find fish
so it's 31 not 16
closest>middle>left
that is my choice order until I finally can see again
shop nice
wait
not nice
lmao
I have 31 gold
dark it is
medusa miniboss
okie
I... lost a DD
damn
arty time
middle?
or is it top?
drifting robin
So you should be critting a bunch
dense ginkgo
any other opinions?
drifting robin
I mean the rest of those are pretty bad
drifting robin
I would go PP
frozen stirrup
I made a mistake
frozen stirrup
I put explosive shot on the secret bow aspect
frozen stirrup
That reallly sucks
709 damage per shot, but it takes 2 hours to fully charge
drifting robin
Go twin if you ever get it on the hidden aspect
frozen stirrup
yea
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Pinecone do you have marked target yes or no
dense ginkgo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806555183420670002/unk...
guys I need another opinion
proven osprey
Pressure point is global damage, hence it's really good on any build
dense ginkgo
no marks
frozen stirrup
it does a ton of damage but i take a ton of damage because i need to wait a year and a half to charge my shot
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If you find marked target all will be explained
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If you find marked target all will be explained
^^^^^^^
You are now after marked target
drifting robin
Try and get hunters mark
dense ginkgo
lmao I have yet to reroll
proven osprey
don't forget to find divine dash asap along with deadly flourish and support fire
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^^^^
proven osprey
Support fire with pressure points will be fun too
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If you don’t have a special I hate saying it but marked target is #2
Support fire pressure points marked target is the “Don’t Care Room’s Dead” holy trinity
dense ginkgo
killing skele bombers with deflect is... interesting
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Get used to it
dense ginkgo
so I never need to run away from killing one again right?
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When playing fists or shield if you find Athena attack you have a really strong reflector
frozen stirrup
i just beat Hades with that terrible combo
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That is a really good idea to get used to using offensively and defensively
Also has great damage. Athena is a Clydesdale for melee builds. Overlooked because she’s tied for 2nd in % instead of first and not fancy
But reliable in the extreme
dense ginkgo
lmao 3 health
it isn't top is it?
it's just 1%
but that is 25% of what I already have
it is top isn't it
tacit canopy
Sort of a random question but in what situations are Poseidon boons good? They seem underwhelming to me in general.
dense ginkgo
frozen stirrup
Sort of a random question but in what situations are Poseidon boons good? They s...
sheild
tacit canopy
Oh makes sense
dense ginkgo
is it top?
or maybe reroll?
frozen stirrup
God tier knockback
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Sort of a random question but in what situations are Poseidon boons good? They s...
Poseidon is a bit of a weirdchamp
drifting robin
Sort of a random question but in what situations are Poseidon boons good? They s...
Eris + tidal dash
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But has access to some very nice duos, and shares an S-tier dash with Athena
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Weapons that already involve KB kind of like Poseidon
Not optimal but raises hell in Styx and fun
drifting robin
Not optimal but raises hell in Styx and fun
Tidal dash destroys in styx
dense ginkgo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806557374718017536/unk...
??
tacit canopy
Yeah I’ve seen a lot of speed runners use splash dash. Is it buddy because of wall slams and high damage?
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Honestly a good 1/4 of why Poseidon is great is because he mops the floor with Styx
tacit canopy
Because*
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Pp
drifting robin
This is the most god tier build I know:
- Eris
2.Tidal dash - Rocket + CLuster bomb
- Artemis special
dense ginkgo
ALWAYS?
drifting robin
um mabye not always
dense ginkgo
NEVER no matter what anything else with malphon?
and pengy you agree with aur for rn atleast?
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PP is one of the rare exceptions to Pom scaling in general
drifting robin
But dont entirely focus on it
proven osprey
hum
dense ginkgo
cuz it start at 1%
and never decreases?
proven osprey
The scaling is huge if you look at M
drifting robin
PP is one of the rare exceptions to Pom scaling in general
^^^^^^^^
dense ginkgo
what do you say astaos
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It may taper off in mathematical theory, but the way it scales up by increment makes a huuuuuge difference
True
Pp is the weakest case of the Keep Pomming boons
drifting robin
If you have really anything to pom that will scale a lot, pom PP
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Couple won’t hurt though
proven osprey
PP is excellent to get because it's just global damage
pomming it is not necessary
unlocking crit is good enough
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Yeah I’m with ya
PPs primary function is being the firing cap for the chain reaction that is marked target
Once you have it at all you’re doing pretty good
proven osprey
but here it's your best option anyway
dense ginkgo
so do pom PP over reroll?
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Yeah
proven osprey
reroll are for duos or core boons
dense ginkgo
ok
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I’ll say it this way. If your choice is between PP and other boons that have lots of poms, it’s not a mistake to Pom PP
proven osprey
but we need a build
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And there's a pact option
proven osprey
I’ll say it this way. If your choice is between PP and other boons that have lot...
true
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I have one bone to pick with UC
drifting robin
um dont
proven osprey
this run is gonna last 4 hours lmao
cloud vault
Do you have darkness healing
drifting robin
Unless you have dark regen
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Why must they still show the 3rd choice
dense ginkgo
no I do not
cloud vault
Pass
drifting robin
then dont
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It’s torture
dense ginkgo
this choice will make or break this run
do I want the dark
or do I want to win next run
I only have 2 DD anyways
lets kill the run tbh
cloud vault
You could find dds in Elysium or a shop or athena
dense ginkgo
true
drifting robin
The build isnt looking that great
cloud vault
What's the build
dense ginkgo
drifting robin
Athena attack, ares aid and idk special
dense ginkgo
sold ares aid
drifting robin
ok
dense ginkgo
selling ares aid got me a 4th DD
cloud vault
Hmm
frozen stirrup
Oh, this is fun
cloud vault
Are we going deadly reversal fishing
frozen stirrup
i just got that upgrade that makes the gun faster and more accurate
dense ginkgo
like
I really want this dark
and the run is already dead?
and I don't like malphon anyways
cloud vault
Run isn't dead
proven osprey
you can't call a run dead like that
dense ginkgo
ok
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As personal advice, don’t keep that attitude
proven osprey
not after an hour
drifting robin
Try this build out next run:
Eris rail
Zeus on attack
Poseidon on dash/or athena
Arty special
TRUST ME THIS WORKS
cloud vault
Run would be doable if you didn't find a single boon until the end
dense ginkgo
I wanna take this dark thoo
cloud vault
Then take it
dense ginkgo
and that will kill the run
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That’s different lol
cloud vault
You don't have to take 3 damage from a few useless wretches
drifting robin
Just try not to take damage
dense ginkgo
I will try not to take damage
but I'm gonna try to get more dark even more
and time is a tickin
frozen stirrup
I’m going hoarder mode
frozen stirrup
no money will be spent
dense ginkgo
did I kill the run
time to get a diamond
finally my malphon diamond
I am confident I'll kill hydra
I am not confident I will reach boss 3, let alone beat them
ESPECIALLY if I get boss 3 miniboss
frozen stirrup
Ok Dio or Athena
cunning urchin
That's okay, just focus on practice and trying out things. 
frozen stirrup
i went with athena
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Dunnnn
dense ginkgo
I was attacking as the boss was slamming with 1/3 health left
viral star
society if hades gamers remembered the shield can be used to block
frozen stirrup
Ok elysuim time
viral star
society if hades gamers remembered the shield can be used to block
sorry im just GENUINELY baffled
dense ginkgo
bow time
frozen stirrup
Oh i am shredding through this game
half crater
society if hades gamers remembered the shield can be used to block
society if hades gamers remembered the shield can be used to block
half crater
cries in shield main
frozen stirrup
Flurry fire, 30 ammo, hangover, and rocket with weak
fervent elbow
I've done many runs with many weapons but the first time I used Zeus shield is 1 hour ago
dense ginkgo
for zag bow keepsake, do I go artemis?
or do I do something else?
fervent elbow
Aphrodite is fine too
dense ginkgo
aphro means less good options though according to the newbie guide thing
I am not going to use rail until it is glowing purple
I choose the wep that boosts my dark and gems
drifting robin
I thought the rail was trash until i used eris with zeus
fervent elbow
you still have 15% crit chance built-in with zag bow
drifting robin
It is legitimately the most broken thing ever
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The virgin shield blocker vs the Chad facemasher
drifting robin
I choose the wep that boosts my dark and gems
Not exactly the best strategy for trying to beat the game for the first time
dense ginkgo
why not
drifting robin
It doesnt do anything to help with your escape
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Aegis Shield: Apply Directly to Forehead
dense ginkgo
but all are good
drifting robin
Choose the weapon you feel the most comfortable with(try them all out at first) and then stick to it until you escape
Then do whatever you want
dense ginkgo
I like a lot of them
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Then can come experimentation
dense ginkgo
bow is one of them
drifting robin
When I heard of eris rail and that it was good I was like heck its 1 titan blood. 2 escape attempts later:VICTORY
So that was my awakening
drifting robin
I mean if you like rail the best ERRISSSSSSSSS
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Zag bow is a good choice for clearing
dense ginkgo
and I will do 1 when it glows purple
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Hammer dependent but nuts if the hammers fall your way
And cheap
Ranged Nemesis in the house
drifting robin
Wait so is one the best or the worst
drifting robin
ok
dense ginkgo
but I still enjoy it
dense ginkgo
I am going bow first
drifting robin
k
dense ginkgo
cuz it is glowing purple
drifting robin
Zag bow was fun
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I didn’t believe in zag bow
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Then I got two good hammers and saw the light
frozen stirrup
then go zeus on any aspect for the rail
Ah yes, that thing he refuses to give me
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The beautiful, blinding light
tranquil falcon
beowulf trippy shot is incredibly fun
do i have to spoiler aspects here?
or no
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No
drifting robin
noe
dense ginkgo
frozen stirrup
Zeus refuses to give me his aspect
dense ginkgo
is it reroll?
drifting robin
roll
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Dash
frozen stirrup
and i am going to scream
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Dash is big ticket for first boon
dense ginkgo
why would I dash attack
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You do want the attack later though
dense ginkgo
it is a weaker main attack
cunning urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806567396218765352/unk...
What aspect is this?
dense ginkgo
zag
tranquil falcon
dash attacks with zag bow is really good though
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Play bow by exclusively dash attacking until further notice
dense ginkgo
zag bow
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Your DPS is way waaaaaaaay higher with the increased ROF
cunning urchin
100% take Hunter Dash there.
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and I mean by a lot
dense ginkgo
ROF?
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Rare of fire
dense ginkgo
ok
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From dash attack charging quicker
Practice pushing the dash and attack buttons together with zag bow
So you don’t accidentally regular attack
This is the only weapon where regular attack actively punishes you
Instead of dash attack
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
No, it depends a lot on what the other exits are.
cunning urchin
I would take the Affluence there.
dense ginkgo
top is only positive and a good positive
cunning urchin
Especially this early.
tranquil falcon
how much money do you have
tranquil falcon
yeah just take the money
dense ginkgo
should I get affluence?
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Take $ and run
limber cloak
i got cucked by rng on a decent beo run :(
cunning urchin
Yes. You'll get +30% over the whole run. That's a lot more value than 37 HP.
limber cloak
got epic trippy flare but no casts from 2 chaos
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Rip
limber cloak
and no good boons from hermes
hoping for the leggo from arty to save the run
or else i reset lol
single cast trippy is hard
tranquil falcon
^
cunning urchin
You can still make it with just Trippy Flare.
cunning urchin
It's good practice.
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Stygian Soul Problems
limber cloak
that is true, i do have decent special boons
dense ginkgo
I think dash attacking only is making me play really badly
I took a lot of damage that I shouldn't
limber cloak
dash attacking is the thing you should be doing in the game
cunning urchin
Use Dash-Strike more when you can't pick up your ammo yet.
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I’m going to give you advice opposite of what I said last time pine cone
frozen stirrup
I would like to say that i am currently doing 81 hangover damage
dense ginkgo
I took 58 damage ALL in room 3
limber cloak
what weapon are you using btw
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To play bow well you really, really need to dash attack
tranquil falcon
zag bow
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I would like to say that i am currently doing 81 hangover damage
per tick or in total?
frozen stirrup
per tick or in total?
Per tick
limber cloak
lol
dense ginkgo
I took 58 damage from semi easy enemies because I was dash attacking with bow
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It’s something you should work on and learn
limber cloak
wow
tranquil falcon
yeah you gotta learn the dash attacking with bow
limber cloak
I took 58 damage from semi easy enemies because I was dash attacking with bow
you can cancel your attack if the enemies get too lose
frozen stirrup
Thanks aphroditie
limber cloak
Thanks aphroditie
if your run isnt close to over yet, try getting curse of nausea lol
dense ginkgo
tbh I think I am gonna kill the run now
58 damage on room 3?
cunning urchin
That's fine. You can heal.
frozen stirrup
if your run isnt close to over yet, try getting curse of nausea lol
I’m getting the saytr sack right now
cunning urchin
If you end up dying, you'll have gotten resources anyway.
dense ginkgo
dude it's room 3
limber cloak
but still, 81 hangover damage is insane
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Yeah
cunning urchin
And some practice.
dense ginkgo
I'm suiciding this run
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Resets don’t get you resources
tranquil falcon
tbh I think I am gonna kill the run now
58 damage on room 3?
i mean i've still made it out of runs where i lost 2 dds in a single room because of chaos inferno bomb
that shouldn't be any indication of how the run will go moving forward
frozen stirrup
but still, 81 hangover damage is insane
Yes, and i have flurry fire
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Pinecone for some perspective: I promise you that no matter how bad your situation is, a lot of people in this room have pulled off successful runs out of much more dire circumstances
frozen stirrup
And my special is in rocket mode
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Discord is a fancy chat room because I’m a grandpa
frozen stirrup
my special inflicts weak and does 260 damage
tranquil falcon
and 58 damage in room 3 honestly doesn't really feel like it should be "this run is instantly dead"
frozen stirrup
then i can stack the hangover up to 8
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The run isn’t dead until you are
cunning urchin
I take Chaos curses that do -4 HP every Attack in chamber 2, keep attacking anyway, and go on with 1 HP. If you take damage, it's a good indicator that there's a lot of room for improvement, so might as well keep going and get the practice in.
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You’d probably be pretty dead at that point lol
dense ginkgo
I am not learning how to use bow rn
bow is my new #6 if I should be dash striking
cuz I haven't been
and that made me worse
tranquil falcon
zag bow is dash strikes
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Come back to it when you feel comfier
limber cloak
any bow is dash strikes
dense ginkgo
I will learn bow AFTER I beat hades
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Zag bow is great damage for value
cunning urchin
You don't have to Dash-Strike if you don't enjoy it. You can be successful without ever Dash-Striking with it.
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Probably the best zag aspect in the game in that respect
cunning urchin
But it's definitely what we do at high heat and in speedruns.
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But bow generally wants better execution than most to get it to work well
frozen stirrup
I just upgraded my hangover and it now does 10 damage per rank
and i can stack my hangover up to 9
tranquil falcon
Probably the best zag aspect in the game in that respect
but have you tried spread fire zag rail
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But it's definitely what we do at high heat and in speedruns.
I argue that even at casual levels you really feel the difference between powershotting consistently and not :/ with zag bow*
limber cloak
spreadfire hestia/zag rail is soo good
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Bow takes techskill to play
Probably the most of all
Still isn’t a ton
But most of all
frozen stirrup
I think i broke the game difficulty like a kit kat
dense ginkgo
tbh after that chamber 3 I need a break from playing the game
that really killed my energy
tranquil falcon
i really think you're overreacting to that
dense ginkgo
I am gonna watch the new Wanda Vision and eat "breakfast" at 11am
I am
but it sapped my energy anyways
I can't control that
cunning urchin
Of course you'd notice the difference, m just saying you can clear the game just fine without doing Dash-Strikes. The game really allows you to express yourself in ways like that rather than forcing one particular playstyle.
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It felt underpowered to me before I sat down and taught myself to only press dash and attack together for a while
Zag bow in particular
The others much less so
That’s my perspective
cunning urchin
Dash-Strike Power Shots are certainly optimal for DPS.
limber cloak
dash striking with bow is a bit iffy
frozen stirrup
I AM DOING 93 HANGOVER DAMAGE
limber cloak
its a bit difficult than the others
cunning urchin
Although you'd want to not do Power Shots when you don't need to for a kill, better to quick-release in those cases.
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True
A use for every situation
If I get the right build with Rama for instance I don’t give two hoots about power shotting
frozen stirrup
I should also mention that its 93 hangover damage against Hades
cunning urchin
But Power Shots are still optimal on Rama lol.
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Zag bow in particular though I feel is most rewarding of mastering the tech, which makes it weaker in my eyes until you have it down
Yeah but Rama has lots of ways to help that damage out
Zag’s damage output lives and dies by its attack
S’all I’m trying to say
cunning urchin
You can just shotgun with your Special if you wanted to.
frozen stirrup
I’ve never broken the game like this
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True, also an option
Pretty sure I got my first clear cheesing doom on bow special lol
cunning urchin
Or get Tidal Dash and just dash.
bright fossil
Wait butterfly doesn't work in styx?
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Only in the end chambers
bright fossil
Ah
vale imp
^
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Not the pathways themselves
bright fossil
so i just suck
cunning urchin
The same goes for the Lambent Plume.
bright fossil
just did one run and only got like 34%
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Narrator: But not for Mom keepsake
bright fossil
how do people not getting hit by arrows
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Mom keepsake tics every room in Styx
frozen stirrup
i love that happi dusa emote
bright fossil
like i can dodge those in screen but most of them just shoot from off screen
and i can't know if there is one off screen since there are so much archer
bright fossil
if i get a good dash Styx wouldn;t be that bad
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But it’s not like you’re taking it off at that point
On the bright side it’s only worth 5 theoretical rooms max so you don’t have too much to lose
opal lodge
zag bow charged volley is a real build
bright fossil
Beowulf charge throw is more fun tho
bright fossil
I kinda not liking how Dionysus can only really scale with duo boons (or pom)
opal lodge
no, just because you cant get it on chiron or rama
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So then Why not Hera?
opal lodge
you can
bright fossil
What other weapon really use Dionysus hangover
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I see
bright fossil
beside bow
i know Dio cast is pretty good
what i meant was hangover
Hero with Dio Zeus duo is pretty fun
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I feel like Dio loves medium speed weapons best
Fist and gun are almost a little too fast unless you’re banking on duos
bright fossil
Gun lacks clearing if go for Dio tho
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Shield spear and sword seem to sit in that happy spot of his attack speed
bright fossil
well unless you just slab on Posei dash
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Yeah gun Dio is absolutely outclassing they ROF that Dio seems to be built for
bright fossil
Tbh i only use Hangover build on like Chiron
bright fossil
but then again i like Special flourish more for haha funny crit
And Artemis focus Chiron build wouldn't really need a Duo boon
it just cherry on top
while Dio Chiron kinda need that Duo to boost up Hangover
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I’m sorry I misspoke
I meant Rama
Chiron outclasses Dio too unless you get the aphro duo
bright fossil
Chiron can already stacks full Aphro Dio duo at base
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Yeah it’s nutty
drifting robin
Chiron outclasses Dio too unless you get the aphro duo
I was about to say
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I have had those runs and they’re quite fun
drifting robin
Rama + Hangover is good
cunning urchin
Drunken Flourish is excellent on Chiron even without Low Tolerance.
bright fossil
so like with +4 special shots and focus volley Artemis seems like the better option
bright fossil
I'm the guy getting common boon with Olympian Favor so what do i know
cunning urchin
The right start for Chiron is Heartbreak Strike and taking whichever you see first out of Drunken Flourish and Deadly Flourish after that.
bright fossil
If i get good special hammer i would go for Artemis
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Hard to goof those two up
bright fossil
Wouldn't you want to know before hand so you can get FF or PS?
drifting robin
Does dio work with chiron?
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Mmmmm I would say that does more for your overall odds
cunning urchin
Some math on Chiron and Hangover here. #h1-high-heat-strategies message
bright fossil
Very well lol
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Oooooo 👀
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Thank you @cunning urchin
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Hit noises 
frozen stirrup
Why won’t zeus give me the death laser
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Greek gods? Capricious and cruel? Not in this game sir
bright fossil
It's just a gun
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A lasergun
bright fossil
isn't Zeus supposed to throw lightning from his hand like a spear or something?
drifting robin
ye
bright fossil
Now that i think of it all 3 top god brothers use spear like weapons
frozen stirrup
A *laser*gun
A lasgun for all the 40k fans
bright fossil
Hades with his spear
Poseidon wity his Trident
Zeus with his lighting spear thing
well Spear is the strongest melee weapon so that makes sense
Anyway Dio does get most of the best synergetic Duo boons tbh
drifting robin
Hades had a helmet right?
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A lasgun for all the 40k fans
Lollllllll that’s a whole new angle to this. “Bloody gellar fields failed. Don’t know where I am, where my team is. All I have is my lasgun. If anyone hears this, my name is Seargeant Derak Calletian. The Emperor Protects.”
cunning urchin
Strongest in what terms?
bright fossil
Actual combat and war stuffs
frozen stirrup
I have once more broken the game
bright fossil
Spear is one of the first weapon humans made and keep using for ages until we get guns
even then we did tried to but a spear head on a gun
spears are just simple but very safe and effective
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Mmmmmm
opal lodge
spear is probably the weakest out of all weapons without flurry jab
cunning urchin
The strongest melee weapon is the friends you made along the way.
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I would say the best weapon humans made before the gun was tactical formation
proven osprey
lmao
opal lodge
with flurry jab, probably strongest melee yeah
proven osprey
Bright coming in
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But that’s getting into actual military history lol
opal lodge
The strongest melee weapon is the friends you made along the way.
so you dont get a strongest melee weapon? that seems unfair.
bright fossil
Strongest melee weapon is Beowulf with that signature shotgun
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The person of unspecified gender had a family, man
cunning urchin
Person of unspecified gender? Who are you talking about?
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Well I didn’t want to presume lol
bright fossil
which sword builds you guys use the most and having the best sucess?
I usually just go for Poseidon sword with Exit wound tbh
frozen stirrup
Chain lighning + gun + 150 damage jolted = the fall of my enemies
bright fossil
Poseidon cast for waveclear and boom
Exit wound deals surprisingly high dmg for me
cunning urchin
so you dont get a strongest melee weapon? that seems unfair. <:dusa:522248771409...
cunning urchin
Well I didn’t want to presume lol
This server has gender roles lol. Well, pronoun roles.
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Oh? Can I view someone else’s? 👀
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
Just click on the name or profile picture.
proven osprey
FILTHY WHITE NAME
cunning urchin
FILTHY WHITE NAME
1. Be kind.
proven osprey
Hm.
bright fossil
There is no Attack helicopter option tho
proven osprey
Sorry! 
bright fossil
cunning urchin
Apologies work better when they're genuine.
proven osprey
@spiral badge My apologies mate
cunning urchin
But a bot cannot feel sorry.
proven osprey
Aurash is my boyo Nyaanyaa
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Just click on the name or profile picture.
Ahhh thank you, I see!
cunning urchin
@spiral badge don't believe him, he's a 
.
frozen stirrup
Are there any boons that make jolted take effect
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It’s ok lol, I’m used to being the dunce in the room
It took astaos telling me to quit being a dumbass for me to figure out hestia rail lol
proven osprey
Whaaat
cunning urchin
Well, now you don't have to be the dunce in the room because Astaos is here.
proven osprey
I've never told "quit being a dumbass"
cunning urchin
Or maybe we have a pair of dunces now. 
opal lodge
the blind leading the blind 🙈
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You pointed out to me that I was rather missing the point of the aspect I was playing by not just reloading with every shot and calling it that
At which point my hestia play improved considerably
frozen stirrup
Have yall seen shenpai play Hades
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Link to that stream 👀
cunning urchin
/courtenberry on Twitch.
tranquil falcon
lmao
if you time talos right you can get enemies to fly right past you
i mean i don't know why you would want to but you can
frozen stirrup
Whos your favorite and least favorite boss
cunning urchin
Tip: Get Tidal Dash on Talos, pull enemy, immediately cancel into dash to dash through the enemy.
You'll yeet them way past you.
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Splash dash home run contest when
cunning urchin
Never because you can only move upwards.
You run away from home.
But I guess you come back in the end.
tranquil falcon
OF COURSE
of course as soon as i focus on atttack instead of cast
i get epic auto reload
opal lodge
why not just roll it
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I think you could actually make something like that by judging it off wall impact damage lol
Increased KB is increased damage yeah?
tranquil falcon
wtf
okay so i got artemis cast because before i just had reg cast
and i had the chance
so i went into final shop half joking and asking for poseidon mirage shot
bear in mind that up to that point my god pool was already almost full, athena aphro arty
and lo and behold poseidon boon in the shop
this game just really wants me to do a cast build
frozen stirrup
Ok before i explode, can someone tell me how to get the secret rail aspect
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Get a goat and a book of satanic rituals
tranquil falcon
i actually forgot
obsidian kite
Wiki has all the criteria
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Yeah check it’s wiki page
tranquil falcon
i don't remember
obsidian kite
But if you just play more and cycle weapons and gods you’ll get them all eventually
tranquil falcon
^
frozen stirrup
It was Zeus
tranquil falcon
oh it was zeus?
i thought it was zeus at first
lol
then who was nyx?
was nyx sword?
bow was arty
frozen stirrup
But i did all the things to get it
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Of course. Friggin Zeus, unleashing the Antichrist and causing trouble with his wacky antics again
tranquil falcon
fists asterius
was nyx the sword then?
or does nyx just never do anything
and i'm a dumbass
it WAS nyx
obsidian kite
Asterius is fists
tranquil falcon
yea
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Why can you never fistbump Asterius even a single time in this game 
They even had a perfect setup and everything
desert cypress
Hey lads
obsidian kite
oops sorry bot
cunning urchin
Why can you never fistbump Asterius even a single time in this game <:shadegrief...
You can stop his bull charge with Malphon's Attack if you have Divine Strike.
Close enough?
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......
desert cypress
I’d say so
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I feel as though Asterius would respect this
desert cypress
More like a delta strike though
proven osprey
that's a worthy trick to practice
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That would involve me playing shield correctly
proven osprey
nah nah
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And not just running around the room dash attacking like an idiot constantly
proven osprey
Malphon divine strike
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Ahhhhhhh
desert cypress
Yeah
desert cypress
Fisties
proven osprey
with a 360 before
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As is tradition
proven osprey
Like the 360 Meg I'm practicing against heroes
desert cypress
Of course
obsidian kite
Can you control the angle of the line that Meg hits at?
proven osprey
yes
cunning urchin
Perpendicular to Zag's line of sight.
proven osprey
^
desert cypress
Wait what
obsidian kite
Oh it’s that easy?
desert cypress
I thought it was random
proven osprey
It's not easy
cunning urchin
Yes.
obsidian kite
I just face in the general direction of my target and press the button
I’ll try positioning myself better
cunning urchin
It's easy but not for @proven osprey.
drifting robin
Ive learned on the heroes fight, hit up on the dpad right as the fight starts and hit the meg button
It hits every time
obsidian kite
This would be handy for like killing a line of Lerny heads that are all lined up
proven osprey
Yes that one is easy
obsidian kite
Or heroes
proven osprey
But you must not hit Theseus before the circles land otherwise he can block it
or something like that
opal lodge
he cant unless you hit him with a poseidon move
obsidian kite
I always have EM on, I don’t have that problem 😛
proven osprey
It's a pose move?
opal lodge
he has to be "knocked back"
desert cypress
I usually pick shady unless I’m doing high heat
proven osprey
Oh I see
opal lodge
so poseidon move or otherwise knocked back
proven osprey
Had flood shot once
desert cypress
never recovered after
obsidian kite
What’s the reason Meg is preferred over Than?
frozen stirrup
ZEUS FINALLY GAVE ME THE ADAMNET RAIL SECRET ASPECT
obsidian kite
Is it faster or something
desert cypress
Have fun in laser town
proven osprey
What’s the reason Meg is preferred over Than?
It's instant and you can use it reliably for every bosses/minibosses
obsidian kite
Gotcha I figured it would be speed
desert cypress
And it does a lot of damage
proven osprey
It's easy but not for <@238040913715265537>.
Enough to have that GY any heat time tho 
desert cypress
What does god mode do?
tranquil falcon
wait does asterius miniboss get stronger with middle management or with em3
because i don't remember asterius having armour in miniboss until i turned on em3
proven osprey
EM3
obsidian kite
EM
tranquil falcon
but it feels like it would be middle management because miniboss
frozen stirrup
What does god mode do?
More damage resistance adter death
tranquil falcon
ah okay
desert cypress
Oh, sounds OP
frozen stirrup
Oh, sounds OP
Not really
obsidian kite
It increases every time you die
desert cypress
Ah
desert cypress
I’m still probably not gonna use it
I like to suffer
I’m gonna do some heat 32 attempts
civic pendant
I'm seeing in high heat runs videos, they go with Stubborn Defiance, is that because you're most likely gonna die often no matter what or it just allows you to be more aggressive and take risks to kill enemies faster ? I noticed they often dies.
desert cypress
People pick SD because with high heat, you turn Lasting Consequences to 100%. People use SD to heal instead.
civic pendant
Oh yes that too, there's also a boon that increases the heal.
obsidian kite
Athena I think
civic pendant
Yes.
desert cypress
Yeah Athena
frozen stirrup
It’s laser time
civic pendant
I was thinking maybe go SD instead to start and get used with having less DDs.
obsidian kite
Do they take Positive Outlook or Skull Earring?
desert cypress
Eris Delta Chamber time
proven osprey
I'm not a speedrunner 
tranquil falcon
eris delta chamber is hot
desert cypress
I’m not either, but I like going fast anyways
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@civic pendant if you like it won’t be bad training weights. Just know that the 3 DDs will do great work for you all the way up until you lose all your healing and you need to use SD
tranquil falcon
ok time to pierced butterfly guan yu
desert cypress
Noice
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Lots of people run SD too just because
But it definitely comes into its own utility once the heat really starts ratcheting up
Over DDs
desert cypress
Costs less darkness too lol
tranquil falcon
lmao do i just go all in on the pierced butterfly meme and take high confidence
cunning urchin
Wow, @proven osprey looking down on all the speedrunners, doesn't want to be grouped in with them. I'll tell them. Every single one.
obsidian kite
I only ran SD to get the boons that I needed it for
tranquil falcon
this is the worst idea i've ever had
cunning urchin
@proven osprey they'll come at you with their "I did 10 Heat but very fast" builds. You better watch out.
tranquil falcon
lets do this
civic pendant
<@157472437087240194> if you like it won’t be bad training weights. Just know th...
Well if I'm gonna have to switch to SD at some point its better to get used to it right now I guess.
desert cypress
32 heat time baybeee
obsidian kite
But I haven’t turned up the heat enough to need it yet and I don’t die very often even with DD except on EM4
obsidian kite
Or if I have traps on and I get one shot by a falling blade in Styx lol
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Also on a note
tranquil falcon
time to do 100% hard labour because pierced butterfly
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With SD check every well
civic pendant
For now I'm still learning to get better at EM4 Hades, I've cleared it a couple times already but I need to get better because HL5 makes it much more harder so I'm trying to learn better the fight to get hit less.
cunning urchin
Oh nice. 4x Guan Yu on the "Do a barrel roll!" board now.
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The SD version of buying a Death Defiance is the bees knees
And it’s always in the item pool for the well
So be sure to check when running SD
civic pendant
The SD version of buying a Death Defiance is the bees knees
What do you mean ?
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so if you lose a death defiance
obsidian kite
do it
proven osprey
Oh nice. 4x Guan Yu on the "Do a barrel roll!" board now.
I'm happy about that too
slim lynx
i still haven't made a barrel-roll submission
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You can buy another for $200 in a Styx well
slim lynx
probably tomorrow
civic pendant
We can buy one and have the SD regens ?
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SD has a version of this too
obsidian kite
Glad to have started the Guan Yu trend with my 29 minute run lol
tranquil falcon
patroclus
slim lynx
touch of styx dark 😩 👌
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But where DDs only comes available when you don’t have a full count and only restores one
SD increased the healing of every heal you get from SD
and lasts multiple rooms
And is always in the well item pool
It’s aces
civic pendant
touch of styx dark 😩 👌
Dark ?
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The one you get from Patroclus.
It’s extra great
A buffed up version of the well one
civic pendant
Oh.
slim lynx
all of patty's premium items are great
but touch of styx is ridiculous, you restore 80% of your health from dds
obsidian kite
I actually skipped Patroclus my last two runs b/c I was at full health and lives and didn’t really feel like I needed attack
civic pendant
Interesting.
slim lynx
and it lasts 15 CHAMBERS
civic pendant
Yeah.
slim lynx
it even stacks with last stand and normal touch of styx from wells
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SD’s well items are waaaaay better than DDs
For the value you get
Not to say that buying DDs is bad
obsidian kite
Just don’t blow yourself up with an egg because you forgot you already used your SD
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But buying touch of Styx is essential to the SD game plan
tranquil falcon
this is the worst idea i've ever had
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And a great part of it
civic pendant
I saw in a video you can lose your SD, restore it with Athena and still recover your SD which ends up with 2 DDs.
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Believe so
It’s a really specific interaction to get that to happen, but that bug does exist
half crater
it’s not a bug lol
half crater
i believe it was originally unintended by the devs, but when it was discovered they were fine with it
so it’s a feature at this point
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Ah, the Ghandi approach
slim lynx
Just don’t blow yourself up with an egg because you forgot you already used your...
yeah... don't do that kids. don't make the same mistake dad did
proven osprey
Or just Bethesda
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Lol
Ghandi canonically being a nuke hungry madman will forever be my favorite video game tidbit
half crater
ohh ofc civ 6 ghandi