h1-builds-and-combat

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806520213705064508/unknown.png

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If you ever roll triple bomb Lucy it’s a good day

[slim lynx]

there's also greater inferno

[dense ginkgo]

malphon so top right?

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Nah dash

[slim lynx]

which goes very well with triple bomb for obvious reasons

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As tempting as it is, athena dash is athena dash

[proven osprey]

both divine strike and divine dash are good options

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Attack would be my 2nd pick though

[dense ginkgo]

attack is on epic tho

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He’s not wrong at all. Malphon athena is a great deflector

Honestly your call dash or attack

[dense ginkgo]

why is divine dash good?

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Just make sure to spam attack lots to make up for the difference in coverage

[dense ginkgo]

k

taking top then

[coarse moss]

i'd go attack and hope for merciful end

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It takes an invincible action and puts it on steroids

[proven osprey]

Fists are risky given the range

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And gives it an inbuilt offense against projectiles

it’s probably the single safest boon to pick in the game

There literally isn’t a situation in Hades where Divine Dash isn’t worth its weight in gold

Not to say others aren’t great, but athena dash is a gold standard like that

[fiery apex]

The dash protect you and deflect the attack from foes and bosses there is another boon from Athena that gives u more deflect damage

[proven osprey]

Merciful end would go for flourish here

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806521109423718400/unknown.png

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That’s also def an option

[dense ginkgo]

I got athena atk

that's it

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Any time athena gets involved in attack or special Merciful End is on the table

Be on the lookout for Ares

[coarse moss]

oh right, missed that one

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Snow burst pinecone

[dense ginkgo]

I was thinking that yeah

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Dont waste your special on dem. Too slow

[proven osprey]

At this point with Divine strike I'd fish for artemis, deadly reversal, support fire and a solid call

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Maybe call but epic snow burst

[dense ginkgo]

helps that it's epic lol yeah

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Yeah artemis would be great for you

I will contend that even build backwards and upside down, ME is a powerhouse

If you find ares special, you’re in luck

[dense ginkgo]

lmao here's a key
if only it were upgraded

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Yup. That’d be another roll for you

[dense ginkgo]

oh yeah ares special on malphon sounds godly

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The real way to build ME is the opposite of what you have, with ares on attack. But that’s probably one of the high-rollinest builds in the game because it needs 3 core boons to work, not 2

[proven osprey]

Don't do doom on special please

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But again, ME is ME. Build it completely wrong on the completely wrong weapon and it will still shred

Really? It’s not like it’s the worst choice

[dense ginkgo]

doom is good for things you do rarely tho

[proven osprey]

What aspect are we on

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I think she might be on base?

[dense ginkgo]

zag lv1

so upgraded once

[proven osprey]

I don't think you ever special with Zag

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Like for dem fists ares definitely isn’t the answer

[proven osprey]

i ain't a fist pro I got some 40 heat clears

[dense ginkgo]

yeah malphon special seems bad
but like
doom

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But for all the others I haven’t found him bad?? Maybe not optimal, but never detrimental

[proven osprey]

It's just a bit slow for the dps you get from it imo

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I get that angle

[proven osprey]

sure to finish targets it's alright

because a dash upper would be 40

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I feel like ares is a bit of a newer player focused god

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806522577232855060/unknown.png

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His damage gets outstripped eventually but he’s so easy to fire and forget

[dense ginkgo]

I am thinking top

and I don't cast too often

[proven osprey]

First pom is crucial

[dense ginkgo]

should I cast more often?

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Top

Cast more often because of the snow burst pinecone

[proven osprey]

cast for boiling blood, snow burst is just a nice bonus

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In general too, but now especially because of the snow burst

Snow burst is great for PS

[dense ginkgo]

ok

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Chill lasts a whole 8 seconds

[proven osprey]

you're running PS?

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Longest single curse in the game

I dont think she is

[dense ginkgo]

I am not running PS

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Just general advice

snow burst is clutch for exactly that in the future. Takes care of 50% of the curses you need to bring PS online

That’s why I love it

Also the damage will be meaningful for your cast damage output here and now

It’s just a good short-ranged addon

[dense ginkgo]

two forced dems

damn

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Forced?

[dense ginkgo]

no other option
and not that type of reroll

this one could be a fountain
one skull
could also just be a slightly harder room

I never buy buffs that only last x encounters
is that a bad idea?
I'd only do it if it lasted through hades tbh
can it even effect hades fight?
or does it stop working when on hades?

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Yes it will

[dense ginkgo]

and I am in tartarus nothing's affecting hades rn lmao

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The counters do what they say on the label

[dense ginkgo]

which room is hades then?

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If one is still active at boss man you will get the buff

Mmmmmmm I usually 100% Styx so my count will be affected

[obsidian kite]

I buy them if I get a well a few rooms into Styx

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But my runs usually end up being about 70 rooms long

[proven osprey]

some of them are good, depending the weapon or build

[dense ginkgo]

oh right styx gives you a choice
huh

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They can go from good straight to amazing if the stars align

+cast for 6 rooms on a cast build for instance

[obsidian kite]

but usually I mostly get health

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Charon keepsake is very powerful for well items too

+8 extra rooms is huuuuuuuge

[drifting robin]

Great for styx

[proven osprey]

I said some of them but pretty much everything is good in the well

[obsidian kite]

and I generally buy yarn of Ariadne b/c it's basically a discounted pom

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Its even better than a Pom

Way better

[slim lynx]

what if bone hourglass also applied to patty's items

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👀

[obsidian kite]

oh right it's rarity instead of level

yeah

[dense ginkgo]

I do have a life essence option
but it would heal 14 for 36 gold when it could max heal 28

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Please sir this is a PG channel

[drifting robin]

Dont think it exactly works that way

[slim lynx]

touch of styx dark but it just lasts through the entirety of styx

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Pinecone

Don’t take heal items that fill your health past 100%

That is my personal Law of Roguelikes

[dense ginkgo]

yeah I was told that

[honest wing]

I'm doing a arctic blast aspect of chiron

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learned it in FTL, kept it ever since

[dense ginkgo]

FTL is so damn good

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Outside of that, health is a confidence decision

Up to you

[dense ginkgo]

I have high confidence in tartarus

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then you shall need no health

[dense ginkgo]

I have confidence I'll almost die once to first boss

[drifting robin]

As in the mirror option?

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Lol

[dense ginkgo]

and that's it

[obsidian kite]

I got it with the +4 special shots hammer one run, auto blasts on every special

[honest wing]

yea

it's not that good tbh

[dense ginkgo]

pengy
if I could swap mid run
that would be yes
but alas
no
I do not have high confidence on rn

[honest wing]

what did you have on your attack

[obsidian kite]

I forget it was a few runs ago

[drifting robin]

Relentless volley is like the best hammer for chiron

[honest wing]

for rama also

[dense ginkgo]

what do y'all mean by hammer exactly?

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At the end of all things, while the atomic embers smoulder away and all is left as ash, I will be there. Playing FTL on my iPad

[drifting robin]

The hammer

[obsidian kite]

nah concentrated volley is the best one for Chiron

it totally breaks the game

[drifting robin]

Overrated

Not that great

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Oh boy

Knife fight starting

Everyone get in here

Concentrated gang vs +4 gang

[drifting robin]

If offered a choice between relentless and concentrated I would take relentless

[obsidian kite]

how is it now

you want both obviously

[cloud vault]

Concentrated is better with Artemis

[obsidian kite]

but it's +108 base damage by itself

[drifting robin]

If you can yes

[cloud vault]

And Artemis is the best special for it

[obsidian kite]

and if you have both it's +234 base

[drifting robin]

Yes the best outcome is to have both

[cloud vault]

Yup

[dense ginkgo]

can you deflect lasers?
or will they continue to damage you?

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lasers

Define lasers

those lasers?

[dense ginkgo]

crystals

[drifting robin]

no

[dense ginkgo]

miniboss or the normal enemy

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Ah, crystal lasers

[cloud vault]

I don't think you can deflect their damage but you can become invulnerable to them

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Yes that ^^^

[drifting robin]

You can avoid damage with athenas dash but cannot delfect it back

[proven osprey]

Concentrated good until rooms are crowded and hitting a single enemy with a volley is impossible

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Things like broken spearpoint are helpful there

Or athena dash

[dense ginkgo]

also
mfg
how does one not take damage on the crystal miniboss

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Real answer?

[cloud vault]

Piercing volley is also quite great on chiron

[obsidian kite]

get used to the pattern

[dense ginkgo]

WHAT PATTERN

[obsidian kite]

it's slow and predictable

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Explode his ass before he can damage you much

[proven osprey]

Stunlock him

[cloud vault]

Yeah that

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It’s a time race

[drifting robin]

yep

[cloud vault]

Walk into it and go to town

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There’s no real way to not get hit

You need to put him in the earth

[dense ginkgo]

cuz I took over 50% of my health in dmg

[drifting robin]

rip

What weapon are you using

[coarse moss]

hades takes place in the earth

[obsidian kite]

you have time to dash before the laser starts damaging you

[cloud vault]

If you're playing with MM active the traps can damage it

[proven osprey]

do you have companions and stuff @dense ginkgo

[dense ginkgo]

hopefully I get heals cuz otherwise I'm gonna lose a DD to the 1st boss likely

IDEK what a companion is
is that the thing below the keepsakes?

[proven osprey]

yes

[cloud vault]

Yes

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Give sisyphus all your nectar pinecone

[drifting robin]

Yes companions will make every mini boss 50 times easier

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Give one to everyone else

[drifting robin]

meggg

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But then give sisyphus all you can

[drifting robin]

I think meg is the best companion

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Lol she is still trying to clear

[proven osprey]

rip then

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She can meg when she’s after clear speed

[cloud vault]

Meg is excellent and easy to get early

[dense ginkgo]

what are the 4 companions
I have only the skeleton close but his quest hasn't happened

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True meg is easier to get

[drifting robin]

@dense ginkgo you've beaten the game right?

[dense ginkgo]

no

[drifting robin]

oh ok

[dense ginkgo]

what happens if meg is a companion, can you get meg as a 1st boss? lmao

[drifting robin]

Still I find meg the best one

[cloud vault]

Achilles is my favorite and murders some minibosses

[obsidian kite]

no, you just can't use meg against the first boss

[drifting robin]

You cant use it in the first boss fight

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Bouldy Gang Rise Up

[drifting robin]

Im trying to get their

[dense ginkgo]

no companions in 1st boss?
or just not meg?

[obsidian kite]

then don't worry about companions yet

[drifting robin]

I just need to gift ambrosia to patty and then boom

[honest wing]

whaaat does support fire also have an internal cooldown

[drifting robin]

Just not meg

[honest wing]

smh I just took support fire and this thing

ugh

[obsidian kite]

just keep playing and getting better at the game

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No I think? Maybe? But I have seen it have funny interactions where it decides to proc or not

@honest wing

[dense ginkgo]

what if 1st boss isn't meg tho
still won't fight her sisters?

[drifting robin]

idk

[obsidian kite]

you just can't use the summon

[drifting robin]

Havent tried it yet

[slim lynx]

certain companions can't be used against certain bosses

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Are there any that arent meg/sisters?

I was only aware of that

[slim lynx]

you can't use battie on meg/tis/alecto for example because meg wouldn't do that

[drifting robin]

I normally wouldnt suggest using companions against the first boss

[obsidian kite]

final boss until a certain point

[digital canyon]

Using the bow - had Flurry Shot, Frost Strike, and Chain Shot. Can anyone build a cheesier build than that

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806526704096247808/unknown.png

[slim lynx]

certainly not on herself

[drifting robin]

bcs like the minibosses in elysium are like harder than the frist boss

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Oof

[drifting robin]

artic

[dense ginkgo]

blast?

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I would say frozen touch

[drifting robin]

what weapon?

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You don’t have enough dem source to proc the blast reliably

[slim lynx]

companions aren't exactly meant to be saved only for hades, considering you can only use them once per encounter

[proven osprey]

Artic is garbage

low damage and clears the effect

[dense ginkgo]

malphon

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Why is it though 😭😭

[slim lynx]

arctic is good if you can consitently and quickly apply chill

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It doesn’t make sense to me that arctic blast chiron basically feels like no difference

[drifting robin]

Yeah I mainly use it for minibosses and the heroes

[honest wing]

yea arctc isnt that great

[drifting robin]

ok ur using chrion

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no she’s using fists

[dense ginkgo]

actually arctic is prolly crap rn
I can't do a lot of chill easily

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I was just saying

[drifting robin]

If you were using fists with dem on attack then its good

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Best case it feels like Arctic doesn’t do a damn thing

[proven osprey]

Here frozen touch does something so take it

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Yeah

Frozen touch is the best there

Frozen touch is actually kind of solid in general

[proven osprey]

yeah it's ok

[dense ginkgo]

so don't reroll since it is solid?

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Very nice defensive revenge boon

[dense ginkgo]

is "foe" the one that damaged me?

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yes

[proven osprey]

completely

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yeah thats why I like it

[dense ginkgo]

heart next nice

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For a measly single hit you completely chill an enemy

[dense ginkgo]

the thing is the bottom two would be great together

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Very nice for mini bosses and bosses

[dense ginkgo]

but
only one

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Nah those rails dont cross exactly like you think they do

The revenge won’t proc the blast

[dense ginkgo]

oh huh

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The next stack of cold would

[dense ginkgo]

ok

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But not the revenge itself

[dense ginkgo]

but still

even so it isn't hard for me to deal one chill

just a lot

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Yeah

[dense ginkgo]

so still would be great together

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Just be advised it’s situational. S’all

[dense ginkgo]

bye Aur

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I’m still here lol. That’s just all I was trying to say

[proven osprey]

White name tho

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Stupid randos

[proven osprey]

lmao

[slim lynx]

also try to get winter harvest

[dense ginkgo]

yeah white name is semi sus

[slim lynx]

it's like stupid good

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Gumming up the channel with their filthy existence

[dense ginkgo]

implies newb

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Winter harvest dummy thicc

Demeter tech tree is trash until it very much isn’t

[proven osprey]

yesterday there was like a white name conversation

Like 4 white names casually talking

[slim lynx]

it's really good for encounters and is just really satisfying to finish off a boss with it

[dense ginkgo]

huh

[proven osprey]

I did not want to interrupt

[dense ginkgo]

lmao Astaos

you could have made yourself white then interrupted

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You should have started narrating

[dense ginkgo]

LMAO

[proven osprey]

lmao fair point

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David Astaos-borough

[dense ginkgo]

ooh
store or skull dark
that's 30 dark right
I do have 255 gold
prolly should take store
even if the dark is an option

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Ehhhh

Which do you want more

Power or resources

[dense ginkgo]

I want to win this run

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That’s a you question

Power it is

[proven osprey]

if you want to clear you shop

[dense ginkgo]

I want this to be my first win

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Find that shop

Honestly shops are a good roll at darkness too

[dense ginkgo]

and I hate malphon
but it was dark boosted
still wanna win this run tho
lmao only got blood with malphon, all other rewards not gotten yet

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The 25 gold darkness deal is kaching for farming in Charon shops

Dont give up on maphon

[drifting robin]

The fists are very good

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You pretty much have to play on FO1 in your head to keep up with what malphon wants

[drifting robin]

One of my favorites

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It’s the fastest playing weapon by far

But fists are so, so rewarding

never ever finish a fist attack combo

[drifting robin]

You have to keep dashing around

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Always dash strike to interrupt the end

So the combo can continue

[drifting robin]

Going behind front and just kinda being like a nija

*ninja

[dense ginkgo]

I enjoy playing with all weapons
but malphon the least

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806529305961562182/unknown.png

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Muhammad Ali explained all that needs explaining about Malphon. Dead serious.

Float like butterfly sting like bee

[drifting robin]

Go ares for ME

[dense ginkgo]

I want that 30 dark

[drifting robin]

Merciful end

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Nooooo ares

Ares ares

[dense ginkgo]

but
I wanna win this run more

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Pray special

If that slot is still open

[drifting robin]

attack

For merciful ned

end

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She has athena attack already

We’re halfway there

[eternal wasp]

merciful ned

[dense ginkgo]

attack is athena rn

[drifting robin]

ok

[proven osprey]

take arty in aspho

same special slot

for now

[dense ginkgo]

wait
I can't take the centaur if I take ares
I am taking dark yay

[proven osprey]

Take urge to kill or whatever

[drifting robin]

I mean ME is better for attack doom and dash athena

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It is

[proven osprey]

The attack is athena we're not going ME

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But ME is so dummy powerful no matter which way it’s built

[dense ginkgo]

swapping boons is really bad

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Hrrrmf fine

[proven osprey]

It's fine less value but sometimes you can switch it's fun

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806530114141421598/unknown.png

I have no clue

what to pick

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Swapping is a dice roll but I’ve been plucked from awful runs by some merciful god completely changing up my run by offering to replace a boon

[dense ginkgo]

I have no aid

that is all I have to say

[proven osprey]

Everything garbage

[slim lynx]

me is only powerful with close-range weapons and divine dash. yeah i said it what are you gonna do about it

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Not a bad idea??

[coral cave]

Roll maybe

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Aid least offensive?

[coral cave]

They all kinda doodoo

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yeah not great options

[proven osprey]

Save rolls for arty/divine dash later

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Lol fair

[proven osprey]

take aid and sell it if you want

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Divine dash is a big deal

To get a clear

[slim lynx]

blade dash isn't terrible... but you might as well be going for ME

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Big deal

[drifting robin]

I would roll mabye

[proven osprey]

Blade dash is just not safe

we wanna clear

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Blade dash goes where divine dash should be going

[drifting robin]

Got mine with tidal lmao

[dense ginkgo]

vote
up arrow for reroll
down arrow for aid

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Ok tidal is the 2nd s tier so that halfway counts lol

[slim lynx]

do you already have the prereqs for me?

[drifting robin]

Was using eris so it worked out pretty well

[dense ginkgo]

I think aid but if I gather opinions
the majority is prolly right

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She has athena attack

Nothing else

[dense ginkgo]

well, for slots taken

[drifting robin]

I saw that speedrunners used eris + tidal so that is exactly what I escaped with

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Honestly I’m with astaos pinecone

[dense ginkgo]

I have other nonslot boons

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Take the aid and sell it later

Artemis is going to do you right for what you have now

[drifting robin]

yep

[slim lynx]

athena on attack and not on special/dash??

[proven osprey]

Or maybe keep it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense ginkgo]

you can do all spammy...

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Try to find athena dash and artemis special from here

[slim lynx]

which one of you told her to take curse of pain instead of agony on fists

[drifting robin]

How far have you gotten?

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No I think you’re on the right track @proven osprey

[dense ginkgo]

c9

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We need to build safety into her

Athena and artemis

[proven osprey]

we can keep a call until selling it actually does something I mean

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Ah, fair

[slim lynx]

oh so you're actually not going for ME

[proven osprey]

more chances for dash/special and the sweet SUPPORT FIRE

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Nah she’s just been freewheeling and athena attack was the first thing she got

[drifting robin]

SUPPORT FIRE

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Yeah pinecone @proven osprey is spitting truth here

[proven osprey]

support fire, pressure points deadly reversal

We gonna crit

[slim lynx]

support fire is pretty nice, i can't argue with that

[proven osprey]

from everywhere

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Athena dash, artemis special, other artemis stuff for flavor, their duo for max effect

[dense ginkgo]

eww
forced gems
worst room possible

least value

[slim lynx]

deadly reversal is global just like pp right?

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Yessssss

[dense ginkgo]

btw gems is not upgraded

just gems

no run boost

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And with athena attack she’s going to have big damage

[slim lynx]

the fact that it only works against enemies that have attacks that can be deflected is an issue

[drifting robin]

They can

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@slim lynx are we sure thats conditional?

[dense ginkgo]

IK
but it's not upgraded yet

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I have no references, but other things in the game seem to not act like they care

[drifting robin]

I mean thats almost everyone

[slim lynx]

if gemstones are your only choice then why are you even complaining

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In a way that makes me wonder if their duo cares if something is actually “deflected”

Or if it only cares that a “deflect” affect is merely applied

[slim lynx]

now that you mention it, a lot of things can be deflected for some reason

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To an enemy

See? I wouldn’t take that at face value

[slim lynx]

you can deflect a numbskull lunging towards you but it doesn't deal any damage

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Lots of things in this game seem to interact silently just by touching

[drifting robin]

Like deflecting satyr poison is huge

[dense ginkgo]

hmm
centaur or 100g

[drifting robin]

Bcs those things are extremely annoying

[drifting robin]

centaur

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For instance, athena t2 curse still counts as a curse yes?

[cunning urchin]

You need to actually Deflect an attack to proc Deadly Reversal.

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Even though until you attack, no backstab has occurred

[slim lynx]

just dodge lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

[dense ginkgo]

I do have 130 health so I am thinking centaur since I'm gonna buy one eventually

[spiral badge]

So there’s a silent value hanging above the enemy’s head there

That’s what gets me thinking

[cunning urchin]

All of the curses here count for Privileged Status. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses

[drifting robin]

I mean with malphon since your right up in their face you can deflect it right back and it will poison them

[proven osprey]

Almost everything can be deflected

so we're fine

[dense ginkgo]

so it's really a already spent 125g
or 100g

so ofc the 125g

since I would spend it on that

[spiral badge]

I get you @cunning urchin, I’m trying to use that as a good example of the game sometimes applying shadow effects that aren’t immediately obvious to the player

which in turn makes me wonder about what other things it might be keeping secret about its details like that

For instance, athena/arty duo proccing

[cunning urchin]

Well, you can always just ask.

[spiral badge]

Oh please, I love to learn 👀

[proven osprey]

Be careful tho

[spiral badge]

If you’ve got beans to spill on the subject please do tell

[spiral badge]

I’ve just monkey’s pawed myself haven’t I

[proven osprey]

[spiral badge]

Welp, see you all on the cover of the next pulp horror comic book

[dense ginkgo]

damn
60 dark or a hammer
OH THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN BY HAMMER
lmao

hammer cuz this is meant to be a win

but it's really reluctant

[spiral badge]

Ooof

Do you have to buy it?

Or is it a room?

Dont buy hammers ever

Unless its dire and you’re rich

[dense ginkgo]

I am choosing rooms

[spiral badge]

Oh hammer then

All day long

Twice on Sunday

[coral cave]

200g for a hammer ain't worth it

[dense ginkgo]

the 60 dark is empty room cuz ! room

[spiral badge]

Ever

With the rate the game spits hammers at you in rooms

[dense ginkgo]

or hammer

and eee

[spiral badge]

Hammer

Next decision

[dense ginkgo]

I want the dark so bad
but I should take hammer if I want to win this run

[proven osprey]

it's like you are the hero books

[spiral badge]

Yes you should, for that exact reason

[drifting robin]

Fist hammers are not necessary

I mean their good but not essential to win

[spiral badge]

Power is power

[dense ginkgo]

but they're good

and power is power

[slim lynx]

except for breaching cross

[spiral badge]

^^^^^^

[dense ginkgo]

dark does nothing this run

[slim lynx]

breaching cross 😩 👌

[spiral badge]

If you see breaching cross it’s a good day pinecone

[drifting robin]

yes

[slim lynx]

that said shop hammers are still not worth it

[drifting robin]

That is like the ultimate hammer

[coral cave]

Breaching Cross + rolling knuckle

[spiral badge]

Ever

[slim lynx]

yes, even if it means potentially getting breaching cross just don't take it

if you don't get a hammer in tartarus you'll just get one in asphodel and then elysium

[dense ginkgo]

lmao imagine if you could reroll hammers

[spiral badge]

Zag bow would be an S-tier weapon

[dense ginkgo]

rerolls would always be spent on hammers

cuz a hammer can make or break a build so hard

it can take it from meh to god tier

[spiral badge]

Weapon dependent

[honest wing]

yea

[slim lynx]

if each weapon could share hammers i wonder if bow would end up being the whole meta because of breaching cross

[spiral badge]

But yes hammers are powerful

They mean more to some weapons than others

[dense ginkgo]

daedelus is a smart dude

that is a fact in this game's cannon

[spiral badge]

No the hell he isn’t

[coral cave]

Imagine breaching Cross with serrated point

[honest wing]

oof

rip to armour

[dense ginkgo]

why not aur

[spiral badge]

Someone had to design the sword hammers and that finger gets pointed straight at him lol

[dense ginkgo]

oh lol

[spiral badge]

Daedalus dumb as hell 😂

[coral cave]

Daedalus is a genius in Greek myth

[spiral badge]

I know 🙈

[slim lynx]

just breaching cross on bow though like imagine that lmao

[dense ginkgo]

we're talking game lore

which sadly is not identical to greek myth

[spiral badge]

Genius has some “inspired” thoughts every now and again I suppose

[slim lynx]

daedalus did design the sword hammers but then there's the rail hammers 🙈

[spiral badge]

True

Daedalus must’ve switched up liquors over his time building all the hammers 😂

And I think we all know which weapon got Goldschlager

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806535013264916520/unknown.png

[cunning urchin]

Well like I just said, you need to actually Deflect something in order to proc Deadly Reversal. The only hitboxes that can't be deflected are Theseus's and Hades's spins, shockwaves like White Lernie's (but you can Deflect the initial head slam, which will negate the shockwave), beams, butterflies, and certain traps. If an attack touches your hurtbox on the same frame it touches your Deflect box, you'll get hit, and the attack won't be deflected, which is why even with Divine Dash, it is still important to empty-dash in a lot of situations.

[dense ginkgo]

zag

so clearly not up

[spiral badge]

Explosive upper

[dense ginkgo]

or is it since aoe

[spiral badge]

All day

[proven osprey]

The mobile type struggle

[spiral badge]

Colossus 2nd choice

Thank you @cunning urchin !!

I really appreciate you taking the time for that detail

[dense ginkgo]

ee that means I need to start using uper

[spiral badge]

Oh

[slim lynx]

dash nova hide breaker
🤝
almost always being useless

[spiral badge]

If you dont then colossus

[proven osprey]

If you don't use special colossus is still 30% damage reduction

[dense ginkgo]

does it do equal damage in the whole range?
or extra to the front where the fist is?

[proven osprey]

Sturdy is huge

[spiral badge]

Yeah

I dont use sturdy enough, but it’s a big deal

[dense ginkgo]

for if I chose top

[spiral badge]

It basically makes an AOE bubble around you

[dense ginkgo]

does just aur say top or do others also say top

[spiral badge]

Probably 3 Zagreuses wide total

[proven osprey]

I would go sturdy

[spiral badge]

Yeah probably sturdy

[slim lynx]

i'd just take sturdy

[dense ginkgo]

so you change your mind aur and go sturdy 1st?

[spiral badge]

I love explosive upper but if you’re not using special a lot already dont try to shoe horn it in now

Sturdy

[dense ginkgo]

ok

[spiral badge]

Build around helping the tools you’re comfortable with for now

Not aiding the ones you’re not

[frozen stirrup]

Why won’t zeus give me the adament rail final aspect

[dense ginkgo]

well
I could start using it for aoe
but yeah

if I was surrounded by skulls I'd use it for aoe

[spiral badge]

trying to do that will interrupt your focus and kill you

[frozen stirrup]

I’ve done everything right

[spiral badge]

I promise

If you really aren’t touching special right now you’ll think too hard about trying to work it in

Because you don’t have the muscle memory yet

And you’ll die for it

[dense ginkgo]

so, time to take 70% damage for 90% of the time lmao

[spiral badge]

Better than a sharp stick in the eye, as my father said

[dense ginkgo]

forced store but 131g

that would mean I need TWO gold urns to get a boon

big oof

1 gold urn
big sad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806536720962420757/unknown.png

this is a sad moment

arty would be good for me right?

too bad lmao

[cunning urchin]

It's okay. Neither is from Lady Aphrodite.

[dense ginkgo]

time for meg

(please)

[proven osprey]

Oh it's still Tartarus

[dense ginkgo]

aphrodite is just trash boons right?

[coral cave]

Weren't you in elysium

[proven osprey]

oof

[slim lynx]

at least aphrodite didn't show up, otherwise it'd be even more unfortunate

[dense ginkgo]

no arty lmao

[coral cave]

I wouldn't say that around nyaa

[frozen stirrup]

Aphrodite feels kinda useless outside of her 2500 greater call

[coral cave]

She would murder you and leave no trace

[cunning urchin]

[proven osprey]

We want Arty

[slim lynx]

why do inexperienced players always say aphrodite sucks

[dense ginkgo]

talking to arty simp not about arty boon

[honest wing]

apart from her duos and proccing PS I dont prefer aphro that much

[coral cave]

They just mad they don't have big mommy milkers like aphro

[slim lynx]

new players be like "weak isn't that useful" and then die in tartarus

[honest wing]

oh

oh damn

[dense ginkgo]

I would say something about that arty simp
but
it wouldn't be kid friendly LMAO

[cunning urchin]

Evil people say that.

[proven osprey]

Aphrodite only has weak, best damage, amazing call, amazing duos

[honest wing]

aphro has good damage percentages tho

[dense ginkgo]

I will say I am lesbian
and I have no interest in this game's aphro LMAO

[frozen stirrup]

Becuase i like seeing beeeeeg damage numbers and Aphrodite doest do beeeg damage

[honest wing]

arty does best big damage numbers

[spiral badge]

Saves more goddess for us then

[slim lynx]

say sike

[dense ginkgo]

I don't care for exhibitionism

[proven osprey]

Weak saves lives tho

[dense ginkgo]

she just has hair on

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite has the highest % mod in the game.

[dense ginkgo]

covering her boobs

like really?

[frozen stirrup]

Wait what

[robust anchor]

she does the the best damage

50%

[slim lynx]

aphrodite's wall painting 👀

[frozen stirrup]

she what

[robust anchor]

look at the numbers

[coral cave]

Aphro has the highest damage scaling for poms

[slim lynx]

literally everyone here likes to talk about aphrodite has big raw damage %

[robust anchor]

lol

[spiral badge]

Huge

[frozen stirrup]

i had no idea

[spiral badge]

Enormous

Voluminous

[slim lynx]

how did you not realize until now

[spiral badge]

Raw damage

[coral cave]

She has other big raw things if you know what I mean 👀

[honest wing]

lmaoooooo

[frozen stirrup]

Becuase i was basically ignoring her

[robust anchor]

dont do that

[spiral badge]

Playing hard to get with the goddess of love

[slim lynx]

one of her boons literally makes you deal more damage to enemies afflicted with weak

[spiral badge]

Big brains itt

[dense ginkgo]

lost a DD to meg (yay it was her) big sad

[honest wing]

that's a good boon to have with heart rend

[slim lynx]

literally one of her duo boons makes crits do big number% to enemies afflicted with weak

[honest wing]

that's the only decent t2 I think

[frozen stirrup]

the only thing i thought she was good for was the exclusive access boon

[honest wing]

good duos she has

good two big fat boons

[frozen stirrup]

I will admit that

[dense ginkgo]

mfg pyro

[coral cave]

The aphro disrespect is downright offensive

[slim lynx]

empty inside is also great when you put how long weak lasts into persective

[honest wing]

lmao what everyone is doing it

[dense ginkgo]

guys stop it with the innuendos
the mods prolly wouldn't appreciate it

[frozen stirrup]

Ok i see that now, i‘m just dumb

[honest wing]

that is actually yea if with the dio or ares duos

[coral cave]

Aphro is one of the best olympians in the game boon wise

[dense ginkgo]

starting f2 with 67/160 health

and only 2 DD

big oof

[slim lynx]

i mean empty inside isn't always an ideal choice (chiron heart rend for example) but for certain builds it can really help and stacks well with poms

[dense ginkgo]

what do I swap my keepsake to?
arty?

[frozen stirrup]

ok probably but Dio is my favorite both personally and boon wise

[spiral badge]

I pick dio boons just to talk to dio

[frozen stirrup]

Poison damage go brrrrr

[dense ginkgo]

for winning not convo

[honest wing]

poison damage is fun

[spiral badge]

sometimes I’m a little down but then I just chat with my main bro Dionysus and everything is a little better 🙂

[frozen stirrup]

Although divine dash is the best thing ever created

[dense ginkgo]

arty? dio?
who do I choose>

[slim lynx]

dio's other boons seem mostly focused on healing which is nice but not so much if you have lasting consequences 4 on

arty

[spiral badge]

Artemis lol

Try and find her special

[dense ginkgo]

@frozen stirrup already used athena pendant

[slim lynx]

hangover does have pretty good potential and doesn't scale badly with poms

[honest wing]

yea and low tolerance is so good

[slim lynx]

if you get curse of nausea + low tolerance it's gg from there

[honest wing]

and curse of nausea

yes

[frozen stirrup]

When your god awful at the game, strong drink is my best friend

[dense ginkgo]

is there a greek god of being awful?

[frozen stirrup]

Ares in the mythology

[coral cave]

I fee like dio is my one of my least favourite gods attack boon wise

[dense ginkgo]

Ares is not god of awful

he is god of war

and really craving combat

[coral cave]

His support boons are great but I feel like his attack boons are kinda meh

[dense ginkgo]

but not awful

[frozen stirrup]

He’s treated that way

[coral cave]

Pine doesn't get sarcasm much so excuse her

[dense ginkgo]

I am autistic ^^^

[coral cave]

Yeah

[dense ginkgo]

make it obvi when you use sarcasm

[slim lynx]

dio still isn't one of my favourite gods

i'd pick arty/aphro over him any day

[frozen stirrup]

What’s ur guys favorite weapon

[dense ginkgo]

I like that dio likes satyrs
that's the only thing I like about him lol

[slim lynx]

oh and also zeus

[dense ginkgo]

did he create satyrs?

[slim lynx]

why the hell would he do that

[frozen stirrup]

then along came Zeus

[coral cave]

Fists/rail probably

Hard to pick one

[cunning urchin]

The current record for the "Do a barrel roll!" Challenge is 13 Heat with a clear time of 21:29.33. The last three barrel rolls were done with the Aspect of Guan Yu.

[dense ginkgo]

I HATE that dio made my sex male according to greek myth

[spiral badge]

I feel like this is Eris on the nose

[proven osprey]

Guan Yu city

[slim lynx]

if dionysus were to create a being it would be more or less something that literally produces wine and not straight up poison

[proven osprey]

that's very nice

[frozen stirrup]

The Guan Yu feels so weird

[coral cave]

Huh

[spiral badge]

What is strife if not god of being awful

[dense ginkgo]

did dio create satyrs or just really loves them

[frozen stirrup]

No idea

[proven osprey]

lmao brain could not resist to the speed train

[spiral badge]

I wouldn’t go asking for consistent answers out of Greek mythology lol

[cunning urchin]

You should check out @proven osprey's stream sometime for some Guan Yu play.

[dense ginkgo]

he created trans people because he was drunk
we don't make wine and poison

he mixed the parts up

[proven osprey]

Nice run tho, how was room RNG? @faint flax

[coral cave]

Excuse me

[frozen stirrup]

Dio be like: I’m having a salad for dinner, with, acutaly its mostly grapes, liquid grapes…with alcholhal, I’m having wine for dinner

[dense ginkgo]

I will forever hate dio for that

[spiral badge]

That’s So Dio

[coral cave]

Dio made the first trans person?

Wild

[dense ginkgo]

yes

he makes all the trans people according to myth

he mixes the parts up

big oops

[slim lynx]

dio is responsible for trangender people?

[dense ginkgo]

maybe it was the first only but that would seem wierd

[spiral badge]

I would be honored to be associated with literally the coolest god

But I’m not you

[dense ginkgo]

transgender not transsexual

[slim lynx]

damn ok i didn't think i'd elarn that ever but here we are

[spiral badge]

wild day

[slim lynx]

oh yeah, transgender

[coral cave]

Knowing my life I'd probably be associated with the god of disappointment

[honest wing]

there's thing song called cult of dionysus

and I love it

[dense ginkgo]

but yeah
I hate dio with my life
cuz he ruined it

[honest wing]

also dio is god in french

[dense ginkgo]

I LOVE THAT BAND THAT MADE THAT

[frozen stirrup]

Let’s get mischivious and polyamorus

[spiral badge]

Dio is vampire in Japanese

[frozen stirrup]

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[honest wing]

WINE AND WOMEN AND WONDERFUL VICES

[slim lynx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oizys#:~:text=In Greek mythology%2C Oizys (%2F,anxiety%2C%20grief%2C%20and%20depression.

[dense ginkgo]

lets stay ontopic and not recite song lyrics

[honest wing]

pinecone you're such a killjoy

[spiral badge]

You thought it would be artemis in this shop boon, but it was Me! DIO

[dense ginkgo]

ok
I hate Oizys too

[frozen stirrup]

WELCOME TO THE CULT OF DIONISUS! (Ok we stop now)

[honest wing]

lmaoooo

[cunning urchin]

Could just move it to #h1-story-discussion.

[slim lynx]

and then there's the god of 🌈 ❤️ friendship ✨ 💙

[coral cave]

I want iris in the game

[dense ginkgo]

twilight sparkle?

[honest wing]

we should have rest of the gods too

apollo hestia hera hephasteus(idk spelling(

[frozen stirrup]

Will hades have dlc

[spiral badge]

Gods willing

[dense ginkgo]

please yes

[coral cave]

We dont know

[honest wing]

can we bully the devs into making a dlc

[spiral badge]

They never have

But gods willing

[slim lynx]

oh... apparently the god of friendship is also the god of hot swaggin'. good to know

[spiral badge]

If there’s a game SGG makes DLC for, it’s this one

[frozen stirrup]

Apollo would deal fire damage

[honest wing]

noooooo

hephasteus would do fire damage

[coral cave]

I was watching the hades documentary and apparently someone wanted iris in the game and I am all for that

[spiral badge]

Wait stop the friggin presses

There’s a doc?

Link?

[cunning urchin]

Don't you dare try.

[honest wing]

it's on youtube

[coral cave]

Hades development hell on youtube

[spiral badge]

I’ll have to look

Thank you

[frozen stirrup]

Ah wait yea, i was just thinking Sun=heat=fire

[slim lynx]

yeah it's probably development hell

[dense ginkgo]

apollo wasn't always the sun god tho
was it that he took over a titan's job when he was born, or did he take it over mid-life?

[honest wing]

idk what apollo would do tho

[forest marsh]

Developing Hell

[slim lynx]

i've only watched episode 1 and 6 of that, i should get started with the rest of it

[coral cave]

I watched all of it in one day

Yesterday

[forest marsh]

There's a link to the latest ep in announcements

[honest wing]

plus how does one make the fire damage unique since there's already multiple kinds of stacking/lingering damage

[slim lynx]

i wonder what it would be like seeing "Hades - Developing Hell" out of context

[honest wing]

make it a debuff?

[frozen stirrup]

If they added Hera, she should have a duo boon with Zeus where they bicker like a sitcom married couple

[slim lynx]

that title is so open to interpretation

[proven osprey]

You're kinda off topic mr. Mod

[dense ginkgo]

I am getting the option to purge ares aid

75g...

[dense ginkgo]

omg yes

[proven osprey]

Can you buy something useful if you sell it?

[frozen stirrup]

Charon‘s fight is brutal

[slim lynx]

apollo's thing could be like an aoe affect with dot

[dense ginkgo]

@proven osprey eventually

[slim lynx]

basically you set an area on fire and it deals damage to enemies standing in it

[frozen stirrup]

That genshin impact meme of “Aoe pyro damage”

[honest wing]

that's actually pretty good

[proven osprey]

Whats you're god pool? Athena, Demeter, Artemis?

[dense ginkgo]

can we come back to helping me make choices on my run?

[honest wing]

like blade rifts in terms of how long they last and size?

[proven osprey]

and Ares?

[frozen stirrup]

Yea sure

[arctic leaf]

So I have run Luci a few times. I feel like the special is capable of more than I am using it for. Can someone explain it (or share a good video) on how it works and getting the most out of it?

[dense ginkgo]

IDK what you mean astaos

[proven osprey]

hm

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806542910366810112/unknown.png

is this an answer?

[frozen stirrup]

I’m god awful at this game

[proven osprey]

The game offers you gods until you have 4 most of the time

Ok so we most likely end up with Ares Athena Demeter or Artemis call

[dense ginkgo]

or arty

got the boon

[frozen stirrup]

My reaction the first time i fought Thesus “HEY THAT’S MY MOVE YOU JERK”

[honest wing]

or literally have no call and take dad keepsae

[dense ginkgo]

so guys
do I sell ares aid

[proven osprey]

Athena would be safe, although Ares is also invulnerability, just less damage

[dense ginkgo]

y'all said yes before

but

[frozen stirrup]

What does his call even do

[dense ginkgo]

it isn't a bad aid

[spiral badge]

I would honestly take it pinecone

[drifting robin]

sell it if you want a better aid

[proven osprey]

Keep it until selling it does something

[drifting robin]

It is very short

[cunning urchin]

Nah keep it.

[spiral badge]

The value goes like this to me

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806543497371844678/unknown.png

[coral cave]

Yes

[spiral badge]

If selling that buys you a useful shop boon you couldn’t afford otherwise, it’s worth

[coral cave]

Ares aid is kinda mediocre for me

[spiral badge]

^^^^

Worth more in gold than in damage for me

[frozen stirrup]

ngl i have very mixed feeling on Charion

[spiral badge]

I would spin the wheel for something that could be more immediately impactful

That you could buy with the gold

At the next shop

[arctic leaf]

I find that the big problem is that ares aid seems to fall short of the damage lost since you can’t attack.

[spiral badge]

That’s me though

[dense ginkgo]

OMG
so doing fishing blind IS super easy

huh ok

it has been so hard
now it will be easy forever

[spiral badge]

Congrats

[arctic leaf]

So I actually play with no sound.

[proven osprey]

yeah that's the downside. At least it's an emergency button

[dense ginkgo]

forced pom next

[arctic leaf]

So fish with only visual cues.

[spiral badge]

It makes you invulnerable as a “get off me” at least

[flat garden]

does athena maxed call damage scale with rarity

[dense ginkgo]

this is no skull, but what does skull pom do?
miniboss?

[spiral badge]

Do you mean Athena or one of the other two A gods

[arctic leaf]

Don’t have a problem catching fish but only get the perfect catch on 4th bobs.

[proven osprey]

Athena's call does not deal damage, do you mean aphrodite?

[spiral badge]

Cause Athena is a defensive call

[flat garden]

argh, i meant aphro.

[arctic leaf]

Am I missing out by not getting more perfect catches?

[spiral badge]

Aphro call is the same damage

Common to heroic

It’s a benefit and a curse

[flat garden]

why's that

[spiral badge]

On one hand it doesn’t scale

[dense ginkgo]

what effect does room difficulty have on pom rooms?

[proven osprey]

only charm duration will change

[frozen stirrup]

Petting Cerberus 1000% makes you do better on a run, change my mind

[obsidian kite]

It’s nice because if you get stuck with all commons and one of them is Aphro aid you don’t have to reroll

[spiral badge]

On the other hand a trash common rarity aphro call is still a 2500 damage one shotter

[flat garden]

ah yeah that makes sense

[spiral badge]

Which is a very handy emergency button to have lying around to finish a boss fight

[proven osprey]

Room difficulty progresses as you go far in the biome, the reward is not a factor

[cunning urchin]

That's just what the mods do around here.

[drifting robin]

If there is a skull underneath a reward, you normally get double to the value

[devout trellis]

Is there any wiki or apps that I can check all the boons and their effects?

[dense ginkgo]

@proven osprey I mean what it shows you
no skull
skull
miniboss
does that have an effect on poms?
or no?

[flat garden]

you can look in the codex

[drifting robin]

2 levles instead of one

[spiral badge]

So

[obsidian kite]

Idk because I have never not pet Cerberus

[flat garden]

unless you haven't unlocked it yet

[spiral badge]

All who want them

[proven osprey]

No @dense ginkgo

[spiral badge]

Pm me for fishing lessons

[dense ginkgo]

fishing lesson is this
turn game volume on and fish blind

big sound means press e

[spiral badge]

It’s complicated to explain

[dense ginkgo]

no it is not

[coral cave]

After 3rd bob is guaranteed fish

[spiral badge]

I have a graph now @coral cave you’ll be happy to know

[coral cave]

Before that not guaranteed fish

[spiral badge]

It makes it much easier to understand

With a visual

[coral cave]

I understand it just fine thanks

[limber cloak]

check dms

[flat garden]

you should be able to catch fish by zapping them with a zeus boon, i mean it just makes sense

[limber cloak]

i wanna do more farming runs where i get the poseidon legendary

that allows you to get more fish

[flat garden]

then use aether's net from a charon well to scoop it right out of styx/phlegethon/lethe whatever

[devout trellis]

@flat garden codex only have the boons that I have used right?

[limber cloak]

i did one run with it, and it was so good

@devout trellis nope

all boons

[devout trellis]

I want to see the ones I haven’t used before

Nice

Will go check it

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806545845427503134/unknown.png

still strike?

[proven osprey]

@willow haven Lmao your comment on the spreadsheet

Know that GY can be fast

[dense ginkgo]

do I pick top?

[proven osprey]

still strike

[dense ginkgo]

anyone else agree?

zag malphon btw

[proven osprey]

Damn I have to get validation

You don't cast that much, pomming snow burst won't do anything. Frozen touch is all about the chill and not the damage. You always attack. More damage is more damage.

[dense ginkgo]

you're 1 person

[proven osprey]

I do have a bit of experience

[dense ginkgo]

where did the whole chat go

[proven osprey]

but I guess it's not a valid point, hence I argued a bit

[dense ginkgo]

I already thought that yeah I mainly attack

lmao everyone died I guess

I'll just rely on your advice even though you're 1 person

;-;

[proven osprey]

I am honored

[dense ginkgo]

wait
here's wight

[forest marsh]

Chat is a casual place, people come and go

[dense ginkgo]

wight do you have an opinion

zag malphon

top right?

[forest marsh]

If you want an opinion, I agree with strike

[dense ginkgo]

thought so

now I feel more safe about it

[drifting robin]

So is there a hades challenge every month?

[dense ginkgo]

hmm
hermes or 100 gold?
hermes is rare
but is he even worth it?

WAIT

[drifting robin]

hermeesssss

[dense ginkgo]

or -24 health chaos

this is a win run

I just ignore chaos usually

[forest marsh]

I wouldn't go through runs trying to get input on every choice though, it's important to internalize decision making. That's just my opinion, of course

[dense ginkgo]

but I actually am trying to win rn

[dense ginkgo]

you internalize it by getting outside opinion enough that you start to make the decisions right on your own

[drifting robin]

Take chaos whenever possible unless you are a few chambers away from a boss fight

[proven osprey]

Gameplay will make the difference, you had some guidelines about the build before

[dense ginkgo]

I have 77 health

[drifting robin]

Where r u at

[dense ginkgo]

chaos is always best right?

f2
c17

so chaos right?

and you can reroll chaos right if you have boon rerolls?

[proven osprey]

Hermes can give you a dash

it's huge

[dense ginkgo]

having 3+ dash doesn't seem that useful to me

[proven osprey]

lol

[dense ginkgo]

anyone else?
is chaos not better than hermes?

[frozen stirrup]

I love the Bow’s secret aspect

[dense ginkgo]

since noone is talking I am gonna just assume pengy is right and do chaos

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806549216029048862/unknown.png

I would think bottom

but might it be middle?

or heck, even top?

[drifting robin]

Middle