nah breaching cross is s+
#h1-builds-and-combat
slim lynx
willow haven
nani
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Lol
willow haven
proven osprey
On demeter it's gotta be breaching cross and explosive upper
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So the bot permits ass but not its variation. Copy copy.
willow haven
butt?
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Breaching cross lets you deal with shield enemies in Elysium
willow haven
ah
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Aka shield buttholes
willow haven
the insane armor piercing one
willow haven
meanwhile crying with piercing 400% special on varatha 
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may i offer you an 
in these trying times
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I feel like hammers in general are all over the place lol
proven osprey
especially with Guan yu
willow haven
yeah
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Such a wide, wide power spread
willow haven
it takes like a year to finish guan yu's attack sequence
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Sword would legitimately climb a tier if half its hammer pool disappeared overnight
proven osprey
just don't
willow haven
XD
proven osprey
I'm serious tho
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Yeah ^^^^
willow haven
i know lmao
slim lynx
Sword would legitimately climb a tier if half its hammer pool disappeared overni...
dash nova đ€ź
brazen nest
I also had athena call
willow haven
merciful end? 
brazen nest
The one that protects
slim lynx
Hades life just disappeared
his hp bar said "Darkness..!"
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dash nova đ€ź
Daily Reminder That World Splitter Exists Upon This Cursed Earth
brazen nest
Still wrecked things
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Oh, thats beautiful Gabriel! Which aspect did you use? What was your build like?
slim lynx
world splitter is actually decent don't @ me
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Eventually you will get access to a place that records all your runs for safe keeping
The hall of records!
You may not be able to get in there yet tho
But when you do everything youâve ever done will be recorded in there đ
slim lynx
at least almost everything you've done during runs
slim lynx
not stuff like "nectar given during latest run" because that's just totally unecessary information
brazen nest
Zag shield lvl4
Atk aphro
Special ares
Dash athena
Call athena
Aphrodite defense boost
Chaos dash attack boost
Duo aphro ares
Ares tier 2 pain boost
Hermes sturdy + move spd
slim lynx
curse of longing is great
brazen nest
Hammers were plus dmg on charge against armor and blocking giving more dmg
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Ares Impending Doom is always an A+ upgrade, good on you for taking that đđ»
slim lynx
especially if you have privileged status đ© đ
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Always take impending doom if you can
slim lynx
impending doom is totally worth it
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And same thing for the ares aphro duo. Just like spammy said, keeping PS on forever with that is so great!
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impending doom is totally worth it
Both for the damage, and because the delay keeps PS going for more seconds at a time!
That really is a very, very solid build Gabriel. You havenât done a lot in this game it seems, but youâve either got good rng or a good instinct for building đđ»
slim lynx
ps also affects doom damage which goes hard on curse of longing + impending doom
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curse of longing and ps in general đ€€
Especially with zag shield where the extra base damage will show up to play
slim lynx
That really is a very, very solid build Gabriel. You havenât done a lot in this ...
^knowing how to make builds well can be a vital skill in getting consistent wins
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I know Iâm puffing you Gabriel but I honestly couldnât have built that much better myself. You checked basically every important box. Just try to remember that power and how well all those synergies compliment, and carry that into the future
dense remnant
the wiki says that wall slam dmg scales off of momentum and distance to wall
is momentum based off of dmg numbers or just specific attacks?
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I would think momentum and damage to be separate tracks
dense remnant
so momentum is its own hidden stat?
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Things that impart movement and things that impart damage commonly act separately in this game
For instance, shield can proc sea storm with its attack all on its own
No posiedon attack required
That tells me something. That tells me a lot
So yeah, I think itâs reasonable to assume knockback is its own inherent stat
Some weapons like shield and attacks like sword special have it as a base trait, and posiedon has it as a boon trait
brazen nest
@spiral badge thanks hahaha I got the base idea of that build from you, then I just went on with the idea of "how do I get more dmg with this?"
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Well ya dun gud
brazen nest
I got lucky with the base boons tho, both special and atk were epic rarity
And I got a lot of ares aphro room and a trial room too
devout trellis
hmmm, rama bow is so difficult
slim lynx
a major thing to know is you should always check the codex when choosing boons
slim lynx
hmmm, rama bow is so difficult
when in doubt, build on artemis
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Yeah keep your codex by your side until you can sort of know in youâre head which way you want to go
devout trellis
i did
limber cloak
hmmm, rama bow is so difficult
it has a learning curve, but when you get over it, it can be insane
devout trellis
finally got first clear with rama bow
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when in doubt, build on artemis
And aphro or dio special
slim lynx
and maybe get power shot i guess
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Or zeus
devout trellis
and not the smoothest one
brazen nest
I've been doing that, it really helps a lot, I'm building wile thinking now haahahahahhaahahhaha I used to just slap whatever
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Yeah @brazen nest I still keep my codex very handy 225+ clears in
It is your one true resource, consult it always and keep it handy
devout trellis
like, when compare to authur or beowulf, it's hard to make rama effective
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Kafka do you play much bow in general?
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Yeah this ^^^^
limber cloak
special tag the entire room, then dash strike one enemy
devout trellis
even dash is quite slowđ©
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Rama is much less about many attacks
limber cloak
twin shot, power shot, etc are very good hammers on rama
devout trellis
also, any good hammer on rama?
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And more about one powerful attack after coating the room in your special curse
limber cloak
hermes attack speed is also good on rama
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Lots of good hammers
limber cloak
no
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Play rama to paint the whole room with shared suffering, then find the biggest, highest health enemy in the room and wail on him until the entire room dies at once
That is the secret
devout trellis
yeah
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Yeah avoid explosive
cunning urchin
I took care of it. Congratulations on the successful barrel roll! 
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Twin shot and triple shot are nuts enough
And most all the special hammers are great with rama too
willow haven
I took care of it. Congratulations on the successful barrel roll! <:dusa:5222487...
tysm 
devout trellis
gonna have to try
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Rama can honestly be very special focused with its build if you want to try and play it that way
devout trellis
i mostly uses shield and spear
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Play rama to paint the whole room with shared suffering, then find the biggest, ...
Seriously though Kafka, this is the rama strategy right here ^^^
Youâre right, the attack is too slow to use often
devout trellis
chaos shield and archilis spear are just too good to pass by
cunning urchin
tysm <a:cclove:757213703283409018>
You just got barrel-rolled.
cloud vault
Alright posted to spreadsheet
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So use it once and paint damage across the whole room
willow haven
cunning urchin
@cloud vault congratulations on your successful barrel roll.
slim lynx
might make my own submission to the challenge later
limber cloak
question: are the monthly challenges like authorized by supergiant staff?
or is it just a mods/fan-made thing
willow haven
paper and spammy waiting for giga heat
willow haven
why
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Ohhhh cmon, get in on the spirit of things!
willow haven
you're the fun builds provider!
limber cloak
im just waiting to see tailesque submit like a month later with a 60 heat one
cunning urchin
question: are the monthly challenges like authorized by supergiant staff?
No, we're not affiliated with SGG.
slim lynx
paper and spammy waiting for giga heat
i can't help it if i apparently beat 32 heat first try smh
cloud vault
Eh do it heat 9 is a joke
willow haven
there isnt any
slim lynx
also i'm definitely no high-heat player
i just got really lucky on my 32 heat attempt lmao
limber cloak
there isnt any
lmao why did you mark yours as yes
limber cloak
wait, if i do heat 9, i dont have to beat phoenix's time do i
cunning urchin
There's no extra challenge for the "Do a barrel roll!" challenge. It can theoretically go all the way up to 64, I don't think an extra challenge is needed.
slim lynx
you either have to do 1 heat higher or do same heat with less time
limber cloak
There's no extra challenge for the "Do a barrel roll!" challenge. It can theoret...
true that
cloud vault
I think on average +1 is going to be easier
willow haven
@limber cloak this is why 
cloud vault
Until 50 heat lol good luck there
slim lynx
if there was no heat increase cap on this challenge how long do you think it would take till someone just submitted a 40 heat run while the previous submission isn't even at 8 heat yet
cloud vault
Immediately
limber cloak
tail would just submit a 50 heat run for the memes
cloud vault
And it would probably be a 45
limber cloak
like 20 mins after the challenge is posted
willow haven
slim lynx
like 20 mins after the challenge is posted
td3 be like
proven osprey
I would have loved that people would go for better time at same heat so the challenge is infinite
with 80 minutes runs and stuff
cloud vault
Countdown until Lily does the challenge
willow haven
+1 heat and lower time?
proven osprey
nah, same heat and lower time
limber cloak
Countdown until Lily does the challenge
lmao
willow haven
until a certain heat at least
cunning urchin
Countdown until Lily does the challenge
And then gets barrel-rolled by somebody doing +1 Heat?
proven osprey
because heat is gonna be the limiting factor not time
willow haven
i see
coral cave
I want tail or someone else to just do a 60 heat run rn
Completely upend everyone else
willow haven
+1 cap
slim lynx
someone's probably gonna submit a ridiculously long igt run at some point if you just have to go one heat higher
limber cloak
brb gonna do a 40 min 9 heat run
cunning urchin
Well, by the time you finish, you might need a 10-Heat run.
proven osprey
^
slim lynx
finna do a 69-minute long run
willow haven
devout trellis
so, between guangyu, gilgamesh, and lucifer, which one would be the best to level up first, in terms of beginner friendly
willow haven
just do 11 heat for 80 minutes until someone submits 10 heat
willow haven
so, between guangyu, gilgamesh, and lucifer, which one would be the best to leve...
lucifer imo
limber cloak
so, between guangyu, gilgamesh, and lucifer, which one would be the best to leve...
since you said youre a mostly shield+spear player, id recommend guan yu
proven osprey
Lucifer is really smooth and has a high damage potential without too much effort
limber cloak
dont play guan yu until you have it maxed out
devout trellis
well, i use achilles a lot simply because the passive is op as fk
limber cloak
achilles is very good yeah
devout trellis
especially with cast build
slim lynx
guan yu isn't really beginner-friendly even at legendary
limber cloak
oh yeah, defo not
willow haven
takes a year to finish attack sequence
devout trellis
and i run a lot of cast build cuz it's safe
limber cloak
takes a year to finish attack sequence
if youre attacking with guan yu, youre the one playing it wrong lol
willow haven
slim lynx
the 50% hp reduction on top of fairly limited healing from serpent slash is definitely something you don't want if you're not a very advanced player
cloud vault
Yeah you mostly dash strike and throw the guan dao
slim lynx
the ideal way to play guan yu is to build on charged skewer or quick spin
devout trellis
what about aspect of hades?
limber cloak
hades is a very hammer dependent aspect really
devout trellis
the spear looks good but i heard it's the weakest aspect
limber cloak
theres defo other aspects id recommend that you try out before going for hades spear
proven osprey
It's wrong
slim lynx
still stronger than zagreus
limber cloak
id recommend actually putting 1 blood in it, playing it, then see how you feel about it
devout trellis
lol
proven osprey
Hades spear is really strong
cloud vault
I think Zag Spear might be the weakest unless you pick up flurry
Then it's a weaker Achilles
devout trellis
what about gilgamesh? sorry for those stupid questions, but i am still rather new, around 5 heat atm
slim lynx
zag spear is obviously meant for special builds
which makes it âš hammer dependent âš
devout trellis
the rocket spear build?
vale imp
Gilgamesh is pretty different from the other fists but is good at lvl 1
limber cloak
yeah, gilga is a one point wonder
vale imp
hits harder, a little slower, +2 dashes
devout trellis
i see
limber cloak
though, make sure youre not dash striking with gilgamesh too much
slim lynx
gilga is clunky but if you can get a handle on it the damage output is really good
limber cloak
the dash strike only deals like 20 base dmg
slim lynx
it's also recommended that you use ruthless reflex instead of greater on gilgamesh since you can just i-frame attacks and easily proc ruthless
cunning urchin
I'd put Stygius as weakest weapon. 
But it's not like it matters much, you can be very successful with any weapon.
devout trellis
i see, i only maxed nemesis, Beowulf, chaos, and achilles atm
no point in any zag weapons
robust anchor
sword zag aspect ?
limber cloak
those are all very good aspects to max out
slim lynx
zag sword is very weak imo
cunning urchin
I would take Greater Reflex over Ruthless Reflex on Gilgamesh. The mini dashes are a lot worse than a normal dash, better to at least have more of them.
slim lynx
but the aspects have great potential
nemesis' crit chance is great, poseidon is very powerful if you have exit wounds and such and i don't really need to explain arthur do i
devout trellis
oh, btw, is skelly really gonna die if you kill him with max zagreus sword?
robust anchor
try it
robust anchor
:)
devout trellis
sounds uncertain
cunning urchin
You should ask questions like that in #h1-story-discussion tbh.
devout trellis
probably not gonna do it
cunning urchin
||He'll come back.||
cunning urchin
Yeah, Deadly Strike works pretty well.
devout trellis
i see, interesting
thorny plume
Does selling a boon like electric shot cancel out exit wounds?
cunning urchin
No.
devout trellis
i don't think so? the bloodstone stick on enemies
cunning urchin
Your base cast still lodges.
thorny plume
Ah I see
Iâm tempted to sell it so it just sticks once
Tho electric shot is really good
cunning urchin
I'd keep it. Electric Shot is a very good Cast.
devout trellis
it is?
vale imp
it's great room clear
devout trellis
i only use artemis/dionysus/ares cast
vale imp
also if you miss, sometimes it ricochets and hits an enemy anyway
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Yeah electric shot is light on individual damage, but if it impacts 3 enemies youâve just done 2 aphro casts worth of damage across all 3 of them
At least
Think of it that way. Total damage imparted across a room
devout trellis
i love getting duo boon cast like ice wine, hunting blades and such
willow haven
can rngesus bless me with hunting blades for once
devout trellis
flat garden
stop believing in rngesus and put your faith in the fates
devout trellis
it's just amazing to use
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Almost every time I get hunting blades Iâm never actually building for it
The secret is to stop trying, apparently
devout trellis
also, is there any duo cast for artimes cast?
slim lynx
mirage shot is really good
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Super complimentary to the whole rest of artemisâ kit
devout trellis
'huh, well, definitely gonna check wiki
slim lynx
it's great for room clears and is essentially +30% cast damage on single targets
devout trellis
it's just that posiedon is usually the boon i would pass
he......feels weird........
slim lynx
his call is nice
devout trellis
outside of the resources buff
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And the double cast means that if youâre knee deep in an arty build youâre doubling your chance of proccing marked target with every cast
Which is a very, very big shadow buff
devout trellis
interesting
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Artemis kind of operates around Marked Target
Imo
It massively increases your crit output over the course of a room
slim lynx
not great for bosses but you can't be the best at everything
devout trellis
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash is just insane.
devout trellis
i use single target build a lot
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Try on posiedon cast btw sometime @devout trellis . While the knockback of his other kit can be weird, posiedon cast is a nice grenade launcher with A tier damage and excellent AOE for large groups
devout trellis
cuz hades is tanky as fk
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Also lots of good duos for posiedon cast
cloud vault
The trick is to find wave Pounding hopefully rare or epic
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Even if youâre building for single target Kafka, itâs always worth picking up marked target soon as you can because of how easy it will make the rest of your life đđ»
cloud vault
Poseidon core boons do a lot better with wp
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Yeah posiedon T2s are where itâs at
Posiedon is a t2 god in a sense
@devout trellis even common gray +30% chance is still a huge buff
devout trellis
i see
is it necessary for nemesis to pick up marked target?
since it already have very high crit
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Yeah. Itâs not immediately obvious but marked target is a huge force multiplier for artemis
Always always always. If Iâm on an artemis build marked target is my #2 priority, right behind my first boon
cunning urchin
Unless you do something specific like if you want do a Blizzard Shot build or something, the #1 pick from him is Tidal Dash and then Breaking Wave or Razor Shoals. Tidal Dash is the #1 dash for speedruns because its damage is just so high.
devout trellis
is it one target at the time?
cunning urchin
And you see it a lot at high heat, too.
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And yeah tidal dash is s-tier. Posiedon has an amazing dash
devout trellis
cuz some times i feel like even after i crit i still don't get the mark
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yes @devout trellis but the trick is the target can bounce
So you chain it back and forth across the whole room
cunning urchin
People have done 32 Heat with just Tidal Dash and nothing else.
cunning urchin
Divine Dash is amazing. That's not a bad idea.
devout trellis
others i generally don't have preference
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You should try it out a little more and see how it plays for you. Statistically speaking, +30% chance on a crit build is a buff that canât be overstated for room clearing
Yeah Divine is S-tier as well
cunning urchin
But, there's building for safety, and there's building for damage. Divine Dash is building for safety. Tidal Dash is building for damage.
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Especially with the way Marked Target bounces around the room
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But, there's building for safety, and there's building for damage. Divine Dash i...
^^^^^
cunning urchin
Damage can be safety, too, though, because enemies can't hit you if they're dead.
slim lynx
offense is the best defense
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Also very true. Dead men have no hitboxes
devout trellis
i see, since i am still on the early stage of the game
slim lynx
just kill them before they kill you 
proven osprey
Divine dash is damage
devout trellis
yeah, exactly why i love shield that much
limber cloak
enemies can't hit you if they're dead.
proven osprey
limber cloak
quote of the day
devout trellis
chaos shield is stupid
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While youâre learning, survivability and flexibility will be your best friends
Lol divine dash is best damage @proven osprey
cunning urchin
I think Tidal Dash when learning is a great option.
devout trellis
i will give tidal dash a try
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Fair. Neither will treat you wrong. Theyâre both top of the class
And tidal has excellent synergies
devout trellis
it's just i don't use Poseidon a lot
his kit feels a bit underwhelming for most of the weapon i use
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Try him out. Heâs an oddball god for an oddball role, but heâs fun as hell and very rewarding with his duo chart in particular
devout trellis
since i don't like to knock them away
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Posiedon duos be off the chang
cunning urchin
I'd add that I wouldn't take Tidal Dash on Malphon or Stygius. You'd do other builds on those two weapons.
devout trellis
yeah, it knocks them away right?
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Correct
cunning urchin
Although, you could do it with Gilgamesh to just capitalize on the 4 dashes that all do Tidal Dash damage.
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Out of your range
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Ummmmm
Lucifer is weird
But I see no reason it would be bad
Would be a good marked target/pp/support fire build with the ROF, for instance
cloud vault
I think you rather have zeus
cloud vault
Zeus Aphro is nice on Lucy
devout trellis
yeah, lucifer is fancy, but weird
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike is tried and true.
devout trellis
did a great run with zeus boon thou
but i got legendary that run, so i guess it doesn't count
half crater
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Zeus attack on the rail in general is the recommendation almost to the point of nausea Kafka
Just FYI
Itâs that good
devout trellis
i used zeus on attack and demetaer on special
cloud vault
Except Hestia
cunning urchin
Heart Rend and Deadly Reversal are interesting options.
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Except hestia
cloud vault
Hestia wants Artemis
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^^^^
devout trellis
hestia you want artemis right?
violet umbra
Hello folks new here, do you have any website or stuff explaining what are the best boons, companions etc for a given weapon ?
cloud vault
There's info out there but the best way is to play for yourself
Everything becomes self evident after a few runs
cunning urchin
Battie and Antos are the meta for speedruns and high heat. Mostly Battie.
devout trellis
yeah, rng is a huge part of the game
proven osprey
RNG is not the problem
violet umbra
Battie ? xD
devout trellis
you have half of the control of your build i think?
devout trellis
EX curry Bar lmao
cunning urchin
You can find a newbie build guide for the base weapons pinned in #h1-for-new-players. But I haven't made any advanced guide.
I've thought about it, but you could make a long guide for every single aspect. That's too much work.
slim lynx
antos deals more damage but battie can deal damage a lot faster
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@violet umbra Haze for a short guide: Slower firing weapons and attacks like %-based boons like aphrodite, artemis, Athena and demeter. Exceptions are Ares, who is a Curse god who likes slow attacks.
Fast hitting weapons like curse-based boons like Dionysus, Demeter, and Zeus.
The faster a weapon strikes, the less you care about buffing the attack % of any individual hit, and the more you care about applying stacking curses from the boons some gods offer to get the most out of your rapid fire. Vise Versa applies for slow weapons with big hits, you want to up that damage with % because youâll see big results from it
slim lynx
i'd argue demeter is better for fast weapons that can stack it quickly and divine strike works best with fast-to-moderate speed weapons
oh wait i didn't read it
proven osprey
Guides are a lof of work and you also have to get some knowledge to make what you're given work too
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike are the go-to picks for Excalibur. Heart Rend with Deadly Strike and Passion Dash hits like a truck and then some.
slim lynx
aphro is great for that beeg damage and the weak can help if you're not used to your weapon and get hit a lot
proven osprey
You can deal damage with anything
violet umbra
Thanks a bunch
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Mmhmmm. Aphro is always a good base god, almost no matter the run
violet umbra
One of the thing I don't really know is
slim lynx
arty is more offensive and her t2 boons are a must-have to make it work
spiral badge
Mmhmmmm
violet umbra
What keepsakes to take when starting a run
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Arty has higher damage potential than aphro, but she needs more to get it online
violet umbra
I often go for a keepsake like artemis
spiral badge
God keepsakes at first usually, to influence the boons you get to build a run around
willow haven
i had no idea until like 40 runs that god sakes are 1 time use
and i recently got to know that you lose stacky bonuses if you switch keepsake
cunning urchin
The usual order is god > god > Coin Purse/Hourglass > Acorn.
willow haven
oho
violet umbra
God twice ?
violet umbra
OH
willow haven
i go the persephone flower third
violet umbra
that was gonna be my next question about duos haha
slim lynx
the keepsakes i sue in my runs can vary
vale imp
there's a hidden god-pool mechanic
violet umbra
But I got the answer already
vale imp
as soon as you get 4 god boons, you'll only see those for the rest of the run EXCEPT when you force another god with a keepsake
violet umbra
And the first 4 are random except when you force one with keepsakes ?
vale imp
yep
while you haven't filled it yet, meaning you've only taken 1-3 god boons, you'll be seeing random gods
Hermes and Chaos are exceptions to this
they don't count towards the god pool
willow haven
hermes goes brr
violet umbra
Hermes is good utility overall never sad to see him
willow haven
demeter fists so fun 
violet umbra
Thanks for all the intel
slim lynx
i think i'm just gone to the mindset that you should never take hermes unless your'e going for legendary or greatest reflex OR have yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar
his boons at common rarity are just a waste to have and are best at rare or epic
cunning urchin
Rush Delivery, Greatest Reflex, and Second Wind are way too good to not go for him.
devout trellis
is poseidon aspect good?
devout trellis
since i like cast build, and between poseidon/hera aspect, which is better generally
got it
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Posiedon, hera, and talos all only need 1 blood of investment to get 80% of the full weapon
They are the 3 one-blood wonders
devout trellis
talos is a cast weapon?
spiral badge
Kind of
Talos is a hybrid weapon if I had to name it
Very flexible to build around
devout trellis
achilles can be use as a cast weapon,but i never know about talos
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So to be specific, Iâm only talking about the weapons in the game that are considered great investments for only 1 blood spent
All 3 of which just happen to be cast-related builds
devout trellis
i see
cunning urchin
Talos at Lv.1 is kinda garbage. I mean it's still base Malphon, so it's still good in that way.
forest marsh
I'm impressed we managed to get to 10 aspects before someone did a repeat on the challenge
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Talos is the weakest of the one-blooders, but I still like it because you get what I consider to be the main feature of it off the bat đ
The extra damage It gains from upgrades after that help out a ton, but dont really change up how you play it
One blood into talos wonât do much for your damage output, but will still let you play fists more effectively with Talosâ magnetic tool @devout trellis
devout trellis
i see
well, i don't play fist that much, but if i do, i am probably gonna stick with gilgamesh
drifting robin
So how exactly does the sigil damage increase work. Like is it only when you are invisible or like after, or just a passive bonus?
drifting robin
well, i don't play fist that much, but if i do, i am probably gonna stick with g...
The only reason I dont like gilgamesh is because the dash strike damage is only 20. My whole fists play style revolves around dash striking so I prefer demeter
cunning urchin
Damage bonus is independent from the invisibility.
cunning urchin
+100% at rank 3.
drifting robin
yesss
cunning urchin
Global damage.
drifting robin
Ok then I'll just use that if im trying to go fast
drifting robin
how am i tilted in a single-player game
oof
sinful stratus
drifting robin
That was me trying to get merciful end when trying to get a pb with dem fists. It never freaking happened
cunning urchin
I don't think Sigil of the Dead is the go-to pick for speedruns anymore since they nerfed it, but you still see it sometimes.
sinful stratus
i guess it really does get worse if you give up god mode and use heat
drifting robin
I don't think Sigil of the Dead is the go-to pick for speedruns anymore since th...
Then what should I use in elysium and styx?
limber cloak
i was once going for a ice wine/scintillating feast build with hera
saw dio like 4 times after getting qualified for both the duos
cunning urchin
Coin Purse, Hourglass, and another god keepsake are all very common in Elysium.
limber cloak
only got it when i saw dio the 5th time in styx
drifting robin
Coin Purse, Hourglass, and another god keepsake are all very common in Elysium.
Yeah I normally put on coin purse in elysium but idk for styx
limber cloak
mom pom can be good for styx if you plan to do all tunnels
or know that youre just unlucky and will get a 3-5 sack no matter what
drifting robin
idk if its good for speedrunning
cunning urchin
You wouldn't do all tunnels if you're trying to go fast, yeah.
limber cloak
oh youre asking about speedrunning
drifting robin
or know that youre just unlucky and will get a 3-5 sack no matter what
Ive been getting 3 sacks for like my past 3 runs
limber cloak
ive seen people take sigil of the dead for speedruns in styx
some also go acorn
especially if they have high confidence on
proven osprey
Acorn is good with HC indeed, but then you have to get Zeus call
Dad call is still amazing for speed
drifting robin
I dont use high confidence(Im too scared)
gusty rapids
dad call p good yeah
drifting robin
My pb I was left with 5 health with zero dd so Im not too sure about hc
proven osprey
casually summoning little gremlins
cunning urchin
Sigil just really depends on whether you got another Call that has high DPS.
drifting robin
ok
cunning urchin
So basically Zeus' Aid or Dionysus' Aid.
violet umbra
Is there a good and fun build spear ?
proven osprey
usually Zeus because billowing strength
drifting robin
I think for fists dad call might be best bcs you can be up in his face without taking damage
drifting robin
Is there a good and fun build spear ?
Hunting blades with stygian
violet umbra
I've a fully upgraded Guan Zu
proven osprey
Guan Zu 
drifting robin
Guan yu with charged skewer is insanely fun
drifting robin
Wonder how it compares to Guan Yu?
What weapon
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Guan Zu đ
cloud vault
Do you know who Guan Yu was?
drifting robin
He was a chinese officer or something right?
cloud vault
He was a very famous general during the Han dynasty period
violet umbra
Just checked it out
bright fossil
he is very famous in countries around china yeah
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Dynasty Warriors History Lessons Gang
bright fossil
almost as iconic as Lu Bu
cloud vault
Romance of the three kingdoms đ„
bright fossil
he lacks red hare tho
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If there was a lu bu spear in this game it would just be a /kill command
bright fossil
nah it should let us ride Red hare
cloud vault
Achilles is basically Lu Bu lol
bright fossil
But Achilles doesn't red a red horse
cloud vault
Yeah the horse in his story was made of wood
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Hello father. Yes this is a horse. No I donât know where it came from. Yes Iâm keeping him
bright fossil
who is also strong af
cloud vault
He was a savvy politician made out to be a dumb brute by certain video games haha
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Lu bu is the vegeta of ancient Chinese lore
bright fossil
not really
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Minus the redemption arc
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Just a badass out for himself, and the last thing you ever ever want to see on a battlefield
bright fossil
Why doesn't aspect of gilgamesh let me open portals to shoot out weapons as projectiles tho
limber cloak
explosive shot, repulse shot or relentless volley
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Relentless is +4? Do you have a decent special curse?
limber cloak
repulse shot is the rama special, creates a blast wave around me whenever i attack or whatever
limber cloak
Relentless is +4? Do you have a decent special curse?
doom
and yes
relentless is +4
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Oof
limber cloak
i also have curse of longing
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The blast shot is honestly not a bad utility buff at all
Letâs you run around and shotgun faces much more safely with twin shot
Because it procs with every shot release
So itâs like a built in splash dash
limber cloak
guess ill go with that then
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Doesnât hurt for sure
If you had Dio or Zeus or dem on special the +4 would be a great choice
Rama is really balanced like that, both attack and special have great boon and hammer combos available
Try using the concussion blast to bully enemies into walls for wall damage too. You effectively now have a ranged zag shield with major oomph. Wall damage is your friend
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Yes
Seriously, pretend youâre playing World Splitter zag shield with a semi-ranged concussive attack and a versatile bouncing special. Walls and rapid fire shotgunning are your friend now
Power shots are a bonus but youâll find lots of CC capability and damage in using that concussive blast well and spamming with twin shot
vestal delta
can anyone explain to me what the heats are? the explanation in the game confuses me >_>
gusty rapids
they are essentially settings you can turn on to make your run more difficult
drifting robin
They are basically added difficulty levels. The higher the heat, the harder the game. For each heat rank you get bounties. If you have already completed that heat, you dont get any more bounties
vestal delta
ah ok
devout trellis
Mostly what you will be grinding for for a while
Since those things enhance your weapons, companions
Also for higher level of relationship
vestal delta
companions? (âËâ)
cloud vault
You'll see
solid cairn
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/806208101236605028/7bGPndsny9POW4EX7nHWDhDz8HJ87aN76VhCYvZGnbJezas5PTHe3v5RHynQ9YwArBCooLKa4oYKCzj1g09QG3QF4nAiIgAiIgAi.png|| decided to make a quick tier list for speedrunning because why not (Spoilered because of hidden aspects)
drifting robin
Idk I still like demeter than eris
I only like going fast with eris if I get rocket bomb first hammer
solid cairn
eris does not need hammer to go fast
cloud vault
Eris only needs Eris to go fast lol
violet umbra
I've deadly Strike & Passion Dash
I just met Aphrodite
Why don't I get Heart Rend ?
jagged sigil
Because thereâs still rng that happens even if you have all the required boons to get a duo
obsidian kite
Yeah you shouldnât really count on getting duos until youâve got the mirror perks that make them easier to get
Even then itâs still RNG
stone harbor
If you have rolls it is still very possible(I know that kind of mirror progression is dumb but there might be someone who did it that way)
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So on one hand it is RNG
gusty rapids
yeah without gods legacy and fated persuasion, its difficult to get duos
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On the other hand donât despair completely, there are things you can do to influence its hand
Filling up your primary pool with more of the god who has the duo youâre looking for has an effect on duo chance, if Iâm not mistaken
3 aphro boons and 1 ares tip your odds towards curse of longing better than 1 and 1 and a jumble after that
As I understand it
obsidian kite
Yeah because it takes possible boon options out of the pool (since you already have them)
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God keepsakes also have an effect on legendary and duo chance too. Not sure what exactly it is but I know itâs there
Also thereâs that. Perfectly valid inverse logic that says a slimmer pool has better odds. Itâs all gambling.
And gambling is managing your odds
stone harbor
God keepsakes is just 15% chance for rare, isn't it?
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Nope
This game is full of things that do more than what they say on the label
Behind the curtain
gusty rapids
its 20%
drifting robin
ok
gusty rapids
20% to be rare or better i believe
its very useful for getting duos and legendaries
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Mmhmmm
drifting robin
Yes
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Yeah because it takes possible boon options out of the pool (since you already h...
I just want to make a note publicly that I think thereâs still more going on than just this. From what Iâve read and understand, if you have those 3 aphro and 1 ares boons your odds of the duo are affected if you pick up an ares boon too. Thereâs something hidden at play there
obsidian kite
Hmm
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Someone please correct me if Iâm wrong, thatâs just what Iâve interpreted from some of the things Iâve read
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This game is full of things that do more than what they say on the label
^^^^
gusty rapids
I donât believe thatâs true? as far as I can tell
unless itâs like
filling up core boon slots
attack, special, cast, dash, call
but say, taking wave of despair or something shouldnât make CoL more likely when picking up an ares
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I feel like Iâve read or seen implied that filling up appropriate core boon slots silently puts a thumb on duo chance of the gods in question, for both boons
gusty rapids
yes filling up core boon slots is important
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For instance, stacking aphro and ares
gusty rapids
since those have priority over other boons
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Yeah, thatâs what Iâm on about
gusty rapids
so if you have all ur cores filled, itâs more likely to get duos
but it doesnât necessarily have to be filled by aphro or ares
I believe
to be more likely
actually this is just better answered by a modder or someone who knows the code
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But is that a âfilled all coresâ mechanic? Or is it a âincreased boon count is worth increased rolls at RNG for duoâ mechanic?
gusty rapids
I canât give a definitive answer here
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I feel like in other channels Iâve seen scriptures alluding to the latter
But yes, likely another discussion for another channel.
naive solstice
Is quake cutter affected by special boons?
frozen herald
hey erm.. is it normal for asterius wave attack in his second phase hits 2 times?
vale imp
were you standing still or did you dash into it?
frozen herald
I mean the pink one when he lands after a jump. or randomly when he stands too near a wall
vale imp
you can get hit multiple times by it
frozen herald
i am constantly dashing so yeah maybe it hit at the end of the dash
vale imp
like if after the first hit, you dash into it and thats the 2nd hit
proven osprey
Axe + wave
frozen herald
on my heat level the wave has a base damage of 29. I got about 34 health left. My luck of pixels striked again and i got hit, even being far away from asterios, by one of the 3 waves, which spread after he lands. and got hit twice. even the 29 doubled even if the numbers were close together
I definitely got not hit by the axe
asterios was not even seen on the screen
getting a screenshot of that is nearly impossible. but this was not the first time, that I was at the very end of the waves spreading and got hit twice
cloud vault
You're gonna have so much fun on em3
obsidian kite
question about Ares/Zeus auto-revenge duo
does it pick one of your revenge boons every 3 seconds, or does it proc all of them?
I got it in my last run and after that I just went and loaded up on revenge boons, but I wasn't paying attention enough to whether it made a difference
drifting robin
I think all of them
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Should be all
obsidian kite
That was a bit of a weird run
Got a epic Aphrodite on Chiron special which is like all you need
Then I got Ares/Zeus duo and I was like I guess this is a revenge build now lol
Also got the duo that auto charges your gauge and frankly it probably hurt me
Wasnât used to how fast it charged your gauge so I didnât use it enough, and I had Ares call so lesser call barely gives you any time, so you canât just stand in front of lasers
civic pendant
For EM4 Hades, is it best to remove every green pillars or just do it when Hades is healing ?
mighty ermine
depends on your damage output
if you can outdamage the heal, wail on him
if not, snipe glowing pots
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Is there a way to destroy the pillars to prevent the phase? Iâve always just wailed on him
mighty ermine
he absorbs a heal charge from the pots that glow
vale imp
hit the pillars then run away
mighty ermine
if you can destroy that pot before the heal goes off, he won't get it
lost swan
lookin at the wiki and it says demeter has the highest raw percentage damage increase & poseidon the third but it never mentions who has the highest raw dmg increase? do y'all know. also, is this accurate at all i dont rlly know the boons rip
mighty ermine
ah
lost swan
aphrodite has the higest?
mighty ermine
yeah
drifting robin
yes
sly grail
hey how often are ledgandary boons because i have the max upgraded rarity boon mirror upgrades and i just keep running into duo and epic boons and only have gotten 1 ledgandary boon and it was from a god i don't build that much
drifting robin
But not the most useful
lost swan
for some reason it's not on the wiki evne tho it is for the second & third lmao
drifting robin
hey how often are ledgandary boons because i have the max upgraded rarity boon m...
I mean if the leg and duo boons help your build then go for it. And they are extremely rare
mighty ermine
artemis can often surpass aphrodite in terms of overall damage with just a few extra +% sources from hammers, chaos, etc
lost swan
what would u mean by not the most useful? u mean her status curse?
which makes snse i guess
drifting robin
Thats why speedrunners normally go artmeis
civic pendant
if you can outdamage the heal, wail on him
Yeah I was close to kill him on my last run so I just focused on attacking him while he was healing, I usually remove all of them but after a while I'm starting to wonder whats best because green pillars keeps spawning.
lost swan
ah ok ok
mighty ermine
hey how often are ledgandary boons because i have the max upgraded rarity boon m...
legendary boons have prerequisite boons. so you may not be fulfilling the requirements first
but my bad if that's obvious to you lol
sly grail
prerequisite boons?
mighty ermine
yeah, boons you need to have before the legendary can even show up at all
mighty ermine
- Fixed Exalted Strongbow targeting indicator sometimes briefly sticking to Zagreus
at long last
dry ember
Hades - now playable
small loom
dqafasuiofgbhaoislfgkgb a;plgbhagloikahbgoauvjgibapoilga
WHY DOES THESUS HAVE A MINIGUN
HELP
gusty rapids
LMAO
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Lolllllll
gusty rapids
hes just gaming really hard dude
mighty ermine
theseus found daedalus' secret stash
small loom
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
vale imp
he has 2 miniguns
misty yoke
How do i deal with these crazy "vehicles" when they rush at me guys ?
mighty ermine
if you mean chariots, for the big ones dash right through behind them, for the little ones kite them into walls and gaps
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You canât outrun the big ones on open ground without hermes upgrades
Need to be ready to dash through them as @mighty ermine said or keep a corner handy to duck behind
drifting robin
Yeah I dash thru the big ones
misty yoke
I see. Ok guys. Tyvm
thorny beacon
Any strats for the Elysium bosses? or do I need to grind more?
coarse moss
Any strats for the Elysium bosses? or do I need to grind more?
run far away from theseus and fight the bull first. theseus wont do much and only throw spears at you(big crosshair on zag). stick to pillars to block the theseus throws
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Fight the bull mini boss every time you see him for practice
Burn him down first and then fight Theseus is a good way to approach the fight at first
Learn to keep one eye on the bull and one eye on zagreusâs model for theseusâ crosshair
When it turns bright red you need to be ready to drop what youâre doing and doge
rare kindle
well, it's hard to plan fighting the bull miniboss specifically, because there's also the giant butterfly ball
willow haven
any tips to use exagryph? i'm a 
with it and can't manage bullets
rare kindle
but yes, the miniboss is good for practice
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Yeah you canât force it
But take your chances in hopes
Also pays dividends to know how to kill the butterfly ball too lol
thorny beacon
I was pretty tilted ngl having lost
robust anchor
shoot and then when you have no ammo press reload
willow haven
i love it
robust anchor
zoos attack good
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reject artemis
thorny beacon
Had deflect dash, weak attack stab w extra range for spear, Zeus lightning bolt special & a crop of health
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Return to zoos
willow haven
i'm so bad with exagrpyh that i need the burst round upgrade every time
robust anchor
when youâre reloading you can shoot special or just run away
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Try zag rail @willow haven
willow haven
yeah i upgraded that first
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Itâs basically base rail but you start with the +ammo hammer
willow haven
because ammo was 
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Itâs nice for easing ammo concerns
rare kindle
Eris rail is really good
willow haven
i just did eris rail run with flurry and the 3 special thingy
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Eris is queen of course
rare kindle
Cluster rockets is a strong combo
thorny beacon
ammo 
willow haven
was fun but i'm so bad with ammo
rare kindle
I just let the game reload for me
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Try delta chamber with eris if you ever can Sabita
willow haven
I just let the game reload for me
yeah literally
thorny beacon
Cluster rockets
rare kindle
it autoreloads if you dash or something when you're out of ammo
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Iâm in the same boat as you
willow haven
yeah lol
thorny beacon
Literally didn't know that existed.
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It helps me a bunch
thorny beacon
Think I'm missing 3 weapons
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Also sabita you M/KB?
willow haven
Try delta chamber with eris if you ever can Sabita
yeah that's what i said earlier, the 3 burst thingy
yeah
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Ah
coarse moss
play hestia and love the reload button
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I always recommend rebinding the default reload bind for controller
They keep it on a terrible button by default
willow haven
i'm so bad that i had to go with the inifnite ammo thingy on lucifer as well xD
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Changing it helps reloading a ton
Infinite ammo Lucifer is max meme beam status though, nothing wrong with that
willow haven
ye
i just feel so disappointed when the gun starts clacking
boomer reflexes
it would've been nice if the ammo counter was on top of zag's head or something like that
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Try to still bind reload somewhere easy to get to for you?
willow haven
no i'm good with where reload is
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Ergonomics make a difference for things like this
willow haven
it's the timing
rare kindle
yeah, you usually want to keep the ramping damage on lucy
willow haven
hestia imo is pretty bad
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Spicy takes itt
willow haven
any good builds?
rare kindle
hestia has highest base damage in the game but I don't know how to use it effectively
willow haven
isn't that arthur?
fervent elbow
Artemis on attack is fine on Hestia
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Astatos told me once to basically quit being a dumbass and just press reload alongside fire for every hestia shot
fervent elbow
You need to get used to reload manually
rare kindle
Oh right, arthur is like 200 on 3rd hit, hestia is only 150
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And that advice has treated me well
willow haven
Astatos told me once to basically quit being a dumbass and just press reload alo...
so just keep spamming reload after every shot?
willow haven
lmfao i'll try that
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Even if it feels like the opposite
willow haven
wonder if my finger's gonna be fine after that
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especially if you find ricochet fire
willow haven
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Itâs ok. Play slow and methodical. Arthur like. You have nowhere to be
willow haven
arthur is 
willow haven
start with artemis?
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As the highest base damage weapon in the game
Yes lol
Absolutely put artemis there and dont touch her
Hestia is honestly worth reconfiguring your mirror over a little
Turn your first perk green
Worth
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Mmhmmmm
willow haven
that sounds super pog LOL
willow haven
im thinking butterfly
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that too
That too
but promise me youâll try dad keepsake hestia once
You strike from the shadows like the predator and whole bosses just explode
willow haven
does the invis grant extra damage or something?
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Yessssss
willow haven
i had no idea lol
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Go take a gander at it
Hestia is all about focusing your whole build around that one, massive, shot
coarse moss
if only hestia had something like rama's double/triple shot
fervent elbow
It would be more busted. Hestia already deals some serious damage. 1k crit is more than do-able
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I just chuckle a lil at the idea of what âbustedâ really means in the same videogame that features Merciful End. So I like to dream sometimes đ
robust anchor
are we allowed to say uwu here
coarse moss
merciful end with doom on gilgamesh maim is ridiculous
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If someone ever says to me âThAt wOuLdâT bE bAlAnCeDâ I just point at ME Gilgamesh and stare
Lol now you see sabita
Click, reload. Click, reload
willow haven
best part is i got delta chamber as well
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niiiiice
willow haven
1k crit with rare artemis attack
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I love how that makes hestia play. Powershot when you need it, regular rail in a pinch
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You havenât even got ricochet or rocket bomb yet đ
drifting robin
If someone ever says to me âThAt wOuLdâT bE bAlAnCeDâ I just point at ME Gilgame...
Demeter ME
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Fist gang unity
drifting robin
Fist gang unite
Although 75 of me is rail gang
but everything else is fist gang
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Though there will always be something hilarious to me about the way Gilga ME turns the hades fight into an anime showdown. You stare your father down in the icy, snow covered field, then teleport through him 20 times in the blink of an eye and he just falls to ribbons
drifting robin
wtf thats amazing
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sheathes mall katana with a clink
drifting robin
Almost got a new pb with the rail
Died to freaking hades at 10:24 on the timer
In his second stage
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Oof XL
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I canât say Iâve gotten to a hades fight anywhere near that quick
Good job at least
drifting robin
thxx
I just need to get lucky with my hammers and get rocket bomb
That is the only way I can get anywhere close to that tiem
*time
I was a solid minute faster than my pb tho
drifting robin
Gas territory?
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Boomer saying. Cooking with gas
drifting robin
I should have put on hourglass but I was feeling overconfident and went hourglass
drifting robin
Boomer saying. Cooking with gas
I see
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I should have put on hourglass but I was feeling overconfident and went hourglas...
Hm yes this keepsake is made of keepsake
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I hate it when I accidentally trap myself in paracausal loops
drifting robin
uh uh
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Damn tuesdays
drifting robin
uh huh
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Community wide
ashen heart
so we all start at 0?
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But âcommunityâ means âpeople who have submitted to the spreadsheetâ
ashen heart
at the same time?
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So the top of the spreadsheet is the heat or time that must be beaten
For this monthâs challenge
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Havenât looked, but presumably
Yup. Either go 1 heat higher or 1 second faster*
*figuratively
civic pendant
Is it best to always go for centaur's heart over pom or reach a certain hp and then pom ?
I feel like I focus too much on health and I might lose out on extra damage, even tho there's diminishing returns on lvls.
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Mmmmmmmm depends
Point blank, how confident are you in clearing the game as a player?
I feel like the better you get HP is less a gotta-have-it progression and more a âoh hey I should probably have 200hp by the big man I should grab some extra hearts in Elysiumâ
When youâre newer HP is a godsend to have early
When you take less damage as you play it becomes more flexible when you choose to really beef it up for late run
civic pendant
Well I'm usually running with EM4 on.
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Well thereâs your answer
I donât really have a pattern lol
I flow with what the run gives me and try to make sure I end up with around 200hp by dad
Everything after that is loosey goosey for me
For HP at least
civic pendant
I prefer to focus more on dashing than high hp, with HL5 anyways Hades spin does 100 damage.
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Yeah I get it. You only need 1hp if you never get hit
civic pendant
I also changed Thick Skin with High Confidence.
But I usually have 200 hp on my runs yeah.
civic pendant
I'm with Arthur aspect so I still have the same hp as usual but I plan to use High Confidence with other aspects as well.
civic pendant
I'm like sure if I dont have over 80% hp I dont have the buff anymore but well 50 hp is just one or a couple hit depending of heat settings.
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yup. High confidence is just that. Knife edge of a mirror perk
I try to build my stuff more for consistency and flexibility rather than build around a razorâs edge of performance like that, but not many records are set that way
civic pendant
More damage is better if you're good at dodging in Roguelike games, I remember in Dead Cells it was suddenly better when I started to focus on more damage rather than higher hp.
jovial fulcrum
Does triple shot on the bow triple your casts too, when you're use Hera's aspect?
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I will say if I prioritize anything, Iâd take poms before HP
To spin up power early, then find some hearts down the road in Elysium
No appa I dont think it does
jovial fulcrum
:pepehands:
forest marsh
9 is current heat
desert cypress
Nice
brazen nest
Man, demeter is such a noob friendly god
Her cast is super easy to use and hits like hell, even against hades
Also there's a duo boon that is demeter and aphro(I'm guessing) that heals overtime whenever you don't have death defiance, it came in SUPER clutch against hades
I'm super stoked being on 3 consecutive runs, 1 being heat1, but it was just a lvl of extreme measures which is basically vanilla
forest marsh
Achilles meme beam is fun 