#h1-builds-and-combat

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willow haven
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the brrr feels too good

terse mist
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wait i forgot we cant upload imges

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oh well ill just put it on imgur

willow haven
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you can dm it i don't mind

desert cypress
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Hm, so I need to screenshot with imgur. Never used that before.

willow fossil
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If its a meme, can I have it too

willow haven
desert cypress
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How do I do that?

willow haven
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..download sharex?

terse mist
willow fossil
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Lol

desert cypress
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Oh

willow haven
terse mist
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i feel like every time someone mentions talos fists someone goes "but demeter fists"

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and vice versa

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and i feel like theres no need for hate

spiral badge
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And on the 7th day god made fists

terse mist
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we all love fists

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And he saw that it was Fun

terse mist
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so i made this meme

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yeah

desert cypress
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I love both

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Equally

terse mist
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thats excellent my guy

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theyre both great choices

plush fog
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what is a good build for talos fists?

thorny plume
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Imagine aspect of Lucifer with Poseidon

terse mist
plush fog
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I've never really used them but everyone seems to rave about it

terse mist
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zeus is also good on fists

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honestly the main draw of talos is the grappling special which i've found is more good for plain ol utility rather than being a particularly striking combo with any particular boon

willow haven
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talos looks like thanos' hands kekW

desert cypress
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At least I can go fast on these runs cause it's low heat

terse mist
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that being said i like aphrodite on talos special

willow haven
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i see

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i'll try demeter + aphro

plush fog
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I'm thinking ill try the same

willow haven
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😄

terse mist
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have fun!!

plush fog
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Is it worth maxing immediately?

thorny plume
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Damn what’s a good cast to go for with exit wounds?

plush fog
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I have plenty of blood, but I wouldn't mind saving it

terse mist
thorny plume
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Like Zeus or Artemis?

willow haven
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phlanx shot?

arctic leaf
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I like hangover with frost flourish.

terse mist
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the extra damage is mostly a cherry on top. the real benefit is the grappling

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its a nice bonus but not the most important part of the aspect imo

arctic leaf
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Just enough chill to slow.

willow fossil
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At one point I had 108 blood

thorny plume
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Lmao phalanx shot

willow fossil
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Theres a screenshot somehwere

desert cypress
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Hey guys give me a weapon and an aspect to use

terse mist
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talos fists

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jk. do rama bow

arctic leaf
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Divine dash is also nice considering the constant dashing to cancel the combo.

desert cypress
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I just did rama though

terse mist
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hades spear

desert cypress
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Gotcha

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Now choose a keepsake and companion

terse mist
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artemis keepsake and antos

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idk

desert cypress
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Aha Wightfyre just did a run

plush fog
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sisyphus companion always for me lol

desert cypress
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I don't have Antos

terse mist
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rib?

desert cypress
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Sure

thorny plume
terse mist
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wes

plush fog
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yeah it took me forever

thorny plume
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But I hear it’s worth it

plush fog
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absolutely

desert cypress
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Bouldy is the best

terse mist
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it perfectly balances utility and being a meme

forest marsh
plush fog
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are there any really good hammers to look out for with talos?

desert cypress
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Hm, well I'm going for 3 heat

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I'll try for time too but we'll see

willow fossil
desert cypress
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Funny thing is that my heat gauge for spear is at 3

willow fossil
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Thats what I do

desert cypress
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How convenient

forest marsh
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Perfect

terse mist
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colossus being my most fav

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the ones that let you launch yourself across the room are fun as well, but i find that they're not strictly necessary since you can pull your enemies to you 90% of the time

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oh also you cant grapple bosses lol

drowsy cypress
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do bosses at least take "succ damage"?

forest marsh
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I forgot to highlight it in my victory screen but my "flex" on my submitted run was taking the Charon fight squirtheh

terse mist
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thats a huge flex damn

drowsy cypress
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I think I beat Charon my first time, but failed the run

willow haven
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lol

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he is pretty stronk f you get him in the beginning\

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had to restart a run because i ran out of time

drowsy cypress
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then the next time I took him on, I won the run with a clutch Patroclus to reset my DD

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which fulfilled Hermes' bet rather easily

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desert cypress
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Aha

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I must restart then

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Nice run

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Or beat the time 😁

desert cypress
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There would be no way

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I was at 11 minutes in asphodel

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End of lernie anyways

spiral badge
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Ahhhh, I see

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Keep ratcheting it up!

desert cypress
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Might as well just go for 4 heat then

spiral badge
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Yeah we’re still in ez heats

desert cypress
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Alright time for some speed

terse mist
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well if you’re going for 4, i better go for 5

slim lynx
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heats absolutely isn't the problem, it's the fact that you pretty much have to go for sub 13 now

plush fog
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I thought it was better time or better heat

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is it and?

terse mist
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nope, its or

forest marsh
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Time only matters if you're on the same heat

devout trellis
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Hi, I am new here, is there any recommendations for the boons for the Lucifer aspect?

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Feels pretty clunky to use

terse mist
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i hear zeus can be fun on attack

devout trellis
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huh

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what about rama? it hits like a truck, but so damn slow

jagged sigil
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I dunno. A lot of people like aspect of Lucy, but I’ve always thought its special had a lot less utility, and the charge-up time for the attack is annoying.

slim lynx
jagged sigil
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I do enjoy rama, and have had some pretty quick runs, at least for me, with it. The shared suffering deal is pretty great for dealing with groups of enemies, especially if you want to apply a status effect really quickly

slim lynx
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make sure to apply shared suffering when possible because it also makes the enemy you hit take more damage

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mainly using special for damage is not recommended but you can make it work with zeus i guess

plush fog
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I just failed my first talos run to dad

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seems to be very good against everything except bosses lol

devout trellis
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any recommendation for rama boons?

slim lynx
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arty on attack and dio on special is good

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you can get splitting headache which goes well with how rama special works

honest wing
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for rama zeus or dionysus on special works really good

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just using the special and annihaliting

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you can get demeter or aphro on attack for zeus or dio respectively

slim lynx
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cold fusion is p nice

devout trellis
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interesting

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is dionysus good on lucifer?

honest wing
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people have said so

willow fossil
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Dio is good on anything that hits fast

devout trellis
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lucifer feels clunky to use

slim lynx
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i'm no luci enjoyer but hangover can stack well with attack or hellfire

devout trellis
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yeah

honest wing
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I like lucifer with zeus attack

devout trellis
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i have no idea hot to use lucifer special

honest wing
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but once i got artemis on the special and triple bomb

desert cypress
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Aha my run is in

plush fog
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is there anything productive to do with darkness once you have all the mirror talents you use maxed?

honest wing
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and it wrecked

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so with lucifer you can do like a special build with artemis and keep exploding the bombs

willow fossil
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Aka cosmetics

plush fog
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okay so no nothing productive lol

willow fossil
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Yep

plush fog
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I just got the first rank... are you actually able to seeit anywehere?

willow fossil
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In your hp

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Just a little badge

desert cypress
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Wait a minute, my run is invalid now isn't it?

willow fossil
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Bottom left

plush fog
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ah okay cool

willow fossil
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Is barely noticeable

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Nothing impressive

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Just resource dump

plush fog
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I thought it was just something you had lol

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not even noticable

willow fossil
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No it does show

forest marsh
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I might have put my run in a few minutes before yours @desert cypress squirtdevious

desert cypress
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Ah cripes

plush fog
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lul

desert cypress
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I can't believe we finished a run at the same time

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So, uh. What now?

plush fog
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5 heat

forest marsh
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As Nyaa said, the run still goes on the board even if it's invalid, just gotta go for faster time or higher heat now

desert cypress
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I better get started so I can have some sort of lead

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Although perhaps I could just wait

terse mist
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im in elysium in my 5 heat run so.

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might wanna go ahead and do 6

forest marsh
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I don't know if I'm doing any other runs tonight, so you're safe

desert cypress
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Yeah I'll go for 6

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Yeah you're fast

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I'll just eat some cake while I wait I guess

forest marsh
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That reminds me I have pie in the fridge...

desert cypress
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What flavour?

plush fog
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Now I want pie 😦

slim lynx
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you're not gonna eat the whole thing are you

forest marsh
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Sour cherry, but I don't want to turn this into food talk 😛

desert cypress
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Sounds tasty

terse mist
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god damnit

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my mouse disconnected while i was fighting dad

forest marsh
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Oh no!

plush fog
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yikes

terse mist
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it took me a second to figure out what had happened

desert cypress
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So you died?

terse mist
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and by that time it was too late for me to recover

forest marsh
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This is why I am averse to wireless input devices

terse mist
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yeah lol

desert cypress
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Oh no

terse mist
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

plush fog
terse mist
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someone else can take the 5 heat spot then ig

desert cypress
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Did anyone else do 5?

terse mist
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yeah im bummed lol

forest marsh
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I believe in you talos fist enjoyer

desert cypress
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I'll do it, sorry that happened though bud

forest marsh
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I like that so far all the submissions have used unique aspects

slim lynx
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eventually people are gonna be using the same aspects just so they can get better times

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imagine someone gets the igt wr doing this challenge

terse mist
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maybe we could make it a mini challenge that you cant use an aspect already on the board

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yknow, for the first few

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if people wanted

forest marsh
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I mean, +1 heat is better than a faster time so it'll probably be a while for that yet

devout trellis
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btw, what's the first legendary aspect that you guys recommend to max?

forest marsh
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I was kind of trying to do that on my own already, I'm down if everyone is on board with unique until they're all used. Hard to coordinate though

slim lynx
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chiron is really strong when maed

half crater
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assuming i’m understanding the rules correctly, you can submit a run that’s like 4 hours long as long as you have a higher heat

desert cypress
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I have bouldy's blessing

half crater
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at which point the speed aspect kind resets

forest marsh
plush fog
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Guan Yu is a lot of fun when maxed imo

devout trellis
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oh, i mean the 4th aspect of each weapon

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just in terms of general use, like agreed among people

slim lynx
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rama and arthur i guess

devout trellis
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i see

terse mist
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gilgamesh

slim lynx
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yeah maim does phat damage when maxed

plush fog
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so basically everything but lucifer lol

devout trellis
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welp, as much as i like lucifer

terse mist
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well, dont get the wrong idea

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if you asked different people you would get different answers

devout trellis
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but seems like it's not the easiest, and most effective weapon to play

terse mist
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lucifer is extremely powerful in the right hands

forest marsh
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They're all perfectly playable, which is why I said it depends on your own preferences

half crater
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^

terse mist
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^^

half crater
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that said, beowulf is clearly the best don’t @ me

devout trellis
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i need to see some guides

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yeah, i already maxed beowulf

half crater
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nice

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correct choice

devout trellis
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so trying to decide what's next

forest marsh
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There are lots of videos out there if you're looking for guides

devout trellis
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shield is just an extremely safe and noob friendly weapon

terse mist
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i recommend jawlesspaul's videos

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hes really helped me

devout trellis
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yeah, i saw some of his video

forest marsh
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Several of the prominent speedrunners/high heat runners have guides

devout trellis
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but looks like he doesn't use rama and lucifer that much

half crater
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rama is really good

forest marsh
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If you want to learn how to use Rama, watch Tail's 60 heat WR video

terse mist
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i think the world record for highest heat is with rama

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^^

devout trellis
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nice

terse mist
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what wightfyre just said

devout trellis
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will do

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yeah, with very low investment my rama can hit around 600 in tartarus

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pretty good

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just a bit slow

terse mist
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ballin

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y'know what would be a cool new hammer to add to the game

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one that reverses boons attatched to actions

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like the boon on your special becomes the boon on your attack and vice versa

half crater
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oh no

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that sounds like madness

terse mist
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kinda like the anvil that shows up in styx sometimes but

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crazier

half crater
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eris rail with thunder flourish in attack

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seems balanced

terse mist
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100%

honest wing
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LET'S GOOOOOO

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ROCKET AND CLUSTERR

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LET'S ACTUALLY GOOOOOO

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ARTEMIS SPECIAL

forest marsh
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Nice!

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Living the dream

honest wing
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aphro on attack got the aphro legendary somehow but not a single another artemis boon lol

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not even the duo yet lol

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should I go for demeter or zeus

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eris rail cluter+rocket and aphro on attack

tame bison
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If you have cluster and rocket it doesn’t matter. Put any %dmg special on and enjoy your free win

honest wing
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what do I have to gain from either of them

half crater
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do you have a special boon yet?

honest wing
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yea I have artemis on special

half crater
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oh yeah it doesn’t matter that much lol

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i’d go for zeus; get them smouldering air prereqs

honest wing
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hmm makes sense

turbid needle
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I joked that arthur made hades dark souls before I played dark souls and now that I have played dark souls almost entirely with (ultra) greatswords I can confirm that arthur makes hades dark souls

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kinda sad there's no bonk attack though

dark plume
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why was i pinged lmao

forest marsh
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Probably from the Monthly Challenge role

terse mist
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monthly challenge probably

forest marsh
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You can see the latest challenge pinned in this channel

desert cypress
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Alright then

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Aspect of Zeus is really powerful

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I beat the Heroes in like a minute

forest marsh
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Yeah, I didn't time it but my first submission with Rama I think Heroes lasted 10-15 seconds because I had Heart Rend and Point Blank/Triple Shot by that point

desert cypress
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The heroes fight was actually way faster than a minute

forest marsh
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I haven't used Zeus in a hot minute, I should try it out again

desert cypress
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I had zeus call which annihilated them

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Also totally annihilated dad

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He kept on running away though

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Also all the runs on the board have all been with unique aspects still

terse mist
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silly hades, doesnt he know he’s supposed to run into the attacks?

desert cypress
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What a silly guy

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Also I dedicated the run to you

terse mist
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awh <3

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thats very sweet

desert cypress
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I felt it was only appropriate

terse mist
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just wait until i smash your record

desert cypress
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You can, I'm fine with that

terse mist
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lol im jk. i’m not that good at this game

desert cypress
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then I'll smash yours

terse mist
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😳

desert cypress
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Woah

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But yeah this last run was my fastest

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I'm loving this challenge so far

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And I'm totally going to stick with it

terse mist
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yeah, its super fun!!

desert cypress
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Yeah

terse mist
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i missed the last monthlies so im glad to be able to participate in a new one

desert cypress
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It feels nice being at the top, even if it's only for a little while

terse mist
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for sure

desert cypress
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There's no prize I imagine

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Even if there was, I'm just here to have fun

terse mist
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bragging rights lol

desert cypress
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Yeah that

terse mist
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idk is there a special role for winners/participants?

forest marsh
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Nope, just funzies

terse mist
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gotcha

desert cypress
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inb4 haelian shows up and blows the record out of the water

forest marsh
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If you're interested in actual competition (with prizes), open qualifiers for the Hermes Cup #4 are coming up soon

desert cypress
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Oh I'm not that good

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But I could try

terse mist
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the hermes cup?

half crater
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it’s a speedracing competition

desert cypress
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I'm no speedrunner... yet.

terse mist
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oh boy yeah im nowhere near that level lol

half crater
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same but it’s cool to watch

forest marsh
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That's the post about the qualifiers

desert cypress
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I like to think I'm good at the game but you can't expect me to be the best. I got the game in December.

terse mist
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looks rad

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hey same!! i got it a few weeks before christmas

desert cypress
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I got it after Christmas

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Same day I think

terse mist
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nice nice

desert cypress
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I have it on Switch too, just so I can play more

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I'm getting used to controller now

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But I can play on kb&mouse too

terse mist
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thats a lot of versatility

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ive been thinking about getting a controller

desert cypress
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I'm generally versatile with stuff like that

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Actually I am with lots of stuff

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It's a good thing

terse mist
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heck yeah

forest marsh
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Yup!

desert cypress
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Rad

terse mist
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ooh nice

honest wing
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ok ok ok

terse mist
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i might have to tune in

honest wing
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eternal chamber or triple bomb on aspect of lucifer dionysus attack

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planning to get aphro on special

desert cypress
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Oh man so many cool people there

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It'd be an honour to contend

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I wouldn't stand a chance though, I'm simply lacking in skill.

terse mist
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^

forest marsh
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Just gotta keep up the practice 🙂

terse mist
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are you going to enter wight?

forest marsh
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Noooo, I don't play a lot these days and am nowhere near that fast either

desert cypress
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I play Hades on the daily, so I'm getting better every run

terse mist
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hey, maybe you'll be good enough to enter by the 12th

desert cypress
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I beat 16 heat yesterday and I've been trying for 32 heat.

forest marsh
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I played a lot during Early Access but nowadays I play on the order of times-per-month rather than per day/week

desert cypress
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Yeah, you're in the credits which is cool

terse mist
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yeah, that makes sense. i sunk 100 hours into it my first week and have only played about 20 hours since then

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which is more to do with me starting school again rather than lack of interest

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but yeah

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also that is VERY cool

desert cypress
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Unfortunately, I think I joined the Hades community too late to achieve anything of note.

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In large scale anyways.

forest marsh
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Never too late to get good if you want to

desert cypress
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Oh no doubt

forest marsh
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But it's also ok to just have fun

desert cypress
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And I do want to get good

terse mist
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you could start your own competition of some kind

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even if its just a mini challenge

desert cypress
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I could, but I'm not good at organizing stuff.

terse mist
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fair enough

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just being a casual member of the community is valuable too though!!

desert cypress
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Yeah, that's true.

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Hey, I bought the OST though

terse mist
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OMG

desert cypress
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With the game

terse mist
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i was meaning to get it on vinyl

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but i waited too long and it sold out

desert cypress
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Ah, I just got the steam version

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With the OST

terse mist
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yeah i gotcha

desert cypress
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It's nice to have

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Wish I could burn it onto a disc though.

terse mist
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they sell CDs on the store iirc

desert cypress
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I can't shop online yet

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No method

terse mist
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what do you mean?

desert cypress
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I have no PayPal

terse mist
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they take a few different methods

desert cypress
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I don't have any

plush fog
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how did you buy the game..

desert cypress
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Steam gift card

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I buy one physically and then get the game

plush fog
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ah okay

desert cypress
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Same thing I do with my switch

terse mist
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but you have a credit or debit card right?

desert cypress
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Nope

terse mist
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whaaat

desert cypress
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If I did, things would be a lot simpler

terse mist
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for sure lol

desert cypress
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It's okay though

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Just as long as the world doesn't end, I can get gift cards for myself

terse mist
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...how do you buy the gift cards

obsidian kite
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cash?

desert cypress
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Money

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Yes cash

terse mist
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that makes sense

obsidian kite
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lol I don't think I've spent cash in almost a year

terse mist
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i thought you were gonna say you traded for them

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like you brought your chicken eggs to the target

desert cypress
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Haha no

obsidian kite
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the barter system

terse mist
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and said "three for a $20 gift card madam"

desert cypress
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I don't live on a farm

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I live in a townhouse

forest marsh
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Let's be mindful of channel topics, please

terse mist
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huh

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oop

desert cypress
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Right

terse mist
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you right

desert cypress
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This was a conversation about Hades at one point

obsidian kite
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I can bring it back on topic

desert cypress
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Sure

terse mist
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go ahead

obsidian kite
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triple bomb Artemis special Lucifer is busted

terse mist
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sounds pretty busted

obsidian kite
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I would've gotten my first sub 20 clear if I hadn't done a few troves

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I got Zeus attack, Artemis special, and triple bomb within my first few rooms in Tartarus lol

desert cypress
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I've tried Lucifer once, not a big fan so far. I should try it more.

obsidian kite
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it's so fun

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oh and I think I had a Chaos boon to buff special damage

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rest of the build wasn't anything special

plush fog
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damn it

obsidian kite
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no legendaries or duos

plush fog
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I can't with talos

desert cypress
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I just don't really like laser stuff in Hades

plush fog
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just failed my second time to dad

desert cypress
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F

terse mist
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F

plush fog
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ran out of time that time

obsidian kite
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the bombs are the real busted part of Lucifer

desert cypress
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Heat 6?

plush fog
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heat 1 lol

desert cypress
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Oh

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Anyone gonna beat my run?

plush fog
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I have gotten up 16 with Chiron

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this is so frustrating

forest marsh
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We're already 1/3 of the way through all aspects on the challenge... Wild

plush fog
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I just get hit so much..

terse mist
obsidian kite
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I think it would probably be bad form to jump a few heat

desert cypress
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I did 16 with Hera

terse mist
obsidian kite
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so I probably will wait

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actually most of the posted runs are faster than my best

forest marsh
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Doesn't have to be faster, just +1 heat

desert cypress
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I think you have to do only 1 heat above the last

obsidian kite
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I haven't really gone for speed yet

desert cypress
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I can't do speed yet, but I can do heat just fine.

plush fog
obsidian kite
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dash more

terse mist
forest marsh
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Don't do full combos of punching, interrupt with a dash and then resume

desert cypress
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Be mindful of your dashes

obsidian kite
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also remember Talos buffs cast too

terse mist
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theyre a very mobile weapon

obsidian kite
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so you can magnet then cast

plush fog
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okay so I basically need to punch, dash, punch, dash, repeat?

terse mist
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sort of

desert cypress
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It's conditional

forest marsh
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3-4 punches normally

desert cypress
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Try to dodge more

terse mist
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'float like a butterfly, sting like a bee'

desert cypress
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Then strike when you have an opening

vocal summit
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best weapon to pick?

plush fog
desert cypress
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Your preference

terse mist
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also. getting behind the enemy and racking up that backstab damage is really easy and powerful with talos

forest marsh
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Best weapon to pick is the one you're most comfortable with

vocal summit
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ok

desert cypress
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There is no best weapon

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That's what I love

terse mist
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the best weapon is the one you pick with your heart

desert cypress
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Every weapon is equal in skill cap and I love it

plush fog
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Shield does tend to be more beginner friendly tho

obsidian kite
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Shield was my first clear

plush fog
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same here

obsidian kite
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but once I got a bit better I found it was too slow

desert cypress
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I don't know what mine was, lemme check

forest marsh
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Bow was definitely my first clear and what I use the most still

terse mist
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i hear beowulf shield is a beast

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bow was my first clear as well

obsidian kite
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I haven't gotten the hang of Beowulf yet

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I'm a Zeus guy

plush fog
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Chaos gang

terse mist
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base gang

obsidian kite
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Zeus trains you into a different playstyle than the other shields which is probably why I'm bad at them

desert cypress
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I beat my first run with the Spear

plush fog
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I really really like zag spear in the beginning, but I just could never do all that well with it

desert cypress
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I remember being shocked that I won with spear

obsidian kite
#

I can't play any of the spears other than Guan Yu anymore lol

desert cypress
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My favourite spear is Hades

plush fog
#

I choose not to play with any spears other than GY

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its just so much fun to one shot almost everything

obsidian kite
#

I should force myself to play my non-preferred aspects more

desert cypress
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Let me fetch a count of my total wins

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31

plush fog
obsidian kite
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I strictly do whichever weapon has dark thirst, so my weapons are all pretty even

desert cypress
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Same

obsidian kite
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11/11/10/11/13/11

plush fog
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I have 45

obsidian kite
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and I always stick to exactly whatever heat level I'm on

desert cypress
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7/3/7/7/5/5

plush fog
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1/6/11/23/1/3

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I kinda like Chiron a bit too much lol

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and the one for sword and fists came from hunting blades

obsidian kite
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Chiron is busted lol

desert cypress
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I go above my heat level so I can do Erebus gates

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Usually 10 heat

obsidian kite
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as long as you get a % boon on your special it doesn't really matter what your build is

desert cypress
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I have the most clears on Zeus

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6

obsidian kite
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now that I'm up to 11 heat (so EM4 + 9 min timer) I'm working on beating EM4 with all weapons

terse mist
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11/7/13/7/21/6

plush fog
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Okay I think I am gonna go for my first ME run with the fists

desert cypress
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I haven't done EM4 yet

terse mist
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i might have a slight preference

plush fog
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I've heard its fun

spiral badge
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I have 41 fist clears. Talos best weapon

terse mist
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amen

desert cypress
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Talos eh?

obsidian kite
#

so far I've done EM4 with Talos and Guan Yu

desert cypress
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I imagine you have at least 18 clears on Talos

plush fog
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I'm assuming ME works fine with talos fists?

spiral badge
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19/11/35/20/41/23 for me so far

sand mirage
spiral badge
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Yeah nothing wrong with it

sand mirage
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how do you do it'

spiral badge
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ME and fists in general are great

obsidian kite
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yeah the quick charge hammer is pretty crucial for Guan Yu

plush fog
desert cypress
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Hello Lyria

plush fog
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and get a really high multiplier on it

obsidian kite
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but the special is really strong and the spin attack is great at spreading status

plush fog
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also charged skewer is pretty much a must have

desert cypress
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Looks like my run will be on top for a little while yet

sand mirage
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thanks for the advice

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and hello

desert cypress
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I'm done for tonight, so feel free to dunk my record

obsidian kite
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guess my next run is shield

sand mirage
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i'm still fairly new to the game. cleared it around 10 times or so. and i think my highest heat is like 5 or something lol

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i just know my most picked boon is athenas dash

obsidian kite
#

anyone have tips for Beowulf?

desert cypress
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You'll get better the more you play

obsidian kite
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I feel like I'm not using the dragon rush AoE quite right

desert cypress
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I'm not good at Beowulf myself

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Sorry mate

turbid needle
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aim it so the tip of the dash visualizer thing hits the enmy

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don't take poseidon attack

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dio cast + stygian soul is fantastic

obsidian kite
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since I'm used to Zeus I always forget that I can't charge after I throw my special

desert cypress
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But infernal soul is better for Castspects

obsidian kite
#

Stygian instead of Infernal?

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yeah I thought you would want infernal to load up

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and you get them back right away

spiral badge
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Ehhhh it goes back and forth

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Infernal is more consistent

turbid needle
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whichever one rrgens the bloodstones

spiral badge
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Stygian has a higher performance cap

desert cypress
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Infernal is stronger

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Just kill em and pick it up

turbid needle
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stygian is better with dio

spiral badge
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^^^^^

desert cypress
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The only issue is bosses

turbid needle
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don't have to worry about picking up bloodstones

obsidian kite
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but with Beowulf the stones drop right away

desert cypress
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I dunno, my favourite combo is Hera Aphrodite

obsidian kite
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at least with the cast that I used last time

spiral badge
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Not sure that they will with Dio

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Festive fog has a timer on it

turbid needle
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they don't

spiral badge
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Before it expires

obsidian kite
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lemme see what cast I used my last Beo run

desert cypress
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Crust Shot has no timer

obsidian kite
#

I definitely got the stones back immediately

desert cypress
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Yes Crust

turbid needle
#

for crush shot you want infernal

desert cypress
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Yeah

obsidian kite
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oh I had Phalanx

spiral badge
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Beo phalanx shot weirdchamp

obsidian kite
#

that actually worked ok

spiral badge
#

Lol phalanx is pretty high damage

obsidian kite
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4 stones gave me a ton of deflections after charging

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yeah and it does a lot of damage

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plus the stones don't lodge

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so I could charge straight into boss attacks and not get hit

spiral badge
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Well thats handy

obsidian kite
#

somehow I still died to regular Hades

desert cypress
#

Papa Hades is starting to be nice to me

obsidian kite
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and I'm pretty consistent at beating regular Hades unless I'm using a weapon I'm unfamiliar with

desert cypress
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Looks like I need to beat Hades with Gilgamesh

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Maim scares me though

obsidian kite
#

are you talking about for the prophecy?

desert cypress
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Yeah

obsidian kite
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you don't actually have to beat him

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you just have to get there

desert cypress
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I know

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That's easy enough

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But I want to beat him while I'm at it

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I'll just not pick hard labour

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Easy enough

obsidian kite
#

yeah that's not great to stack with maim

desert cypress
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Yeah, unless you like being butchered

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I don't

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I only have one Legendary left for the prophecy

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Black Out is the one

obsidian kite
#

I'm still missing a couple of legendaries and duos

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a lot of the duos are combos I never really use

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hmm should I take dread flight with Ares special?

desert cypress
#

I've been doing prophecy dedicated runs

obsidian kite
#

yeah I probably should do that too

desert cypress
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It's easy enough to do

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Just take boons based on the requirements

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And bam

obsidian kite
#

other options are Dashing Wallop (maybe) or Sudden Rush (nah)

desert cypress
#

Get dread flight

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Zeus?

obsidian kite
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Beo

desert cypress
#

Ah

obsidian kite
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I already have Ares special, so I feel like that would be good

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since most of my damage is gonna be coming from my dragon rush

desert cypress
#

Yeah

cunning urchin
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The runs are added automatically once submitted. Part of our philosophy is to make the challenges very low maintenance on our side, so that we can just focus on the creative side.

desert cypress
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Go for it

obsidian kite
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ooooh +47% cast chaos boon

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this is gonna be good

forest marsh
desert cypress
#

Yo

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That's rad

obsidian kite
#

definitely going for Dio cast

desert cypress
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You've got this run in the bag

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Are you doing this run for the challenge submission?

obsidian kite
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well it's heat 10 so probably not yet

desert cypress
#

Hm

obsidian kite
#

I'm not recording

desert cypress
#

Alright

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You don't have to record

obsidian kite
#

lol I wasn't paying attention so I forgot what the chaos condition was

forest marsh
#

Per the rules you can complete the run up to 24h before the one you're rolling

obsidian kite
#

and I attacked like 5 times and lost a ton of health

forest marsh
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So if you do it today you can save it to post tomorrow

desert cypress
#

Wait what?

forest marsh
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(5) You may submit runs that were completed up to 24h before the previous submission was submitted.

desert cypress
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I thought you weren't allowed to prejack a run

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I might as well do a heat 7 run on my Switch then tonight

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And a heat 8 just in case

forest marsh
#

The only danger is that they might still get surpassed in the meantime

desert cypress
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Yeah I know

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That's why I'm doing a heat 8 too

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For some sort of insurance

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Although it's fine if it's been surpassed by the time I wake up

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And even if it does get surpassed, I'm still getting experience

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It's a win-win as far as I'm concerned

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How do I submit a switch screenshot though?

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Just take a pic with my phone?

forest marsh
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You can take a screenshot on the Switch and export it

desert cypress
#

Oh

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Oh yeah

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That's a thing now

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So useful

cunning urchin
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Photo of your screen works, too.

desert cypress
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Eh, I do the export for yt thumbnails all the time.

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Though I'm not sure why I forgot it existed.

robust anchor
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zag sword has poopy damage im really sad

desert cypress
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I pick Zag sword all the time and I'm somewhat offended

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Though everyone has their own opinions on things

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I can respect that

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Alright, I'm gonna go to bed. Good luck with the challenge everyone!

obsidian kite
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lol I got Ares/Aphrodite duo on Beowulf and I don't even have a cast yet

agile plover
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Dark Regeneration sounds stronger than Chthonic Vitality

plush fog
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it absolutely is

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unless you are like really really good

forest marsh
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Dark Regen is especially better if you have already gotten the bounties for the heat you're using

obsidian kite
#

yeah but if you're not then I prefer Chthonic

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especially in Styx you can get a lot back

forest marsh
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It can be nice being able to buy darkness and get health, too

plush fog
#

ayyy ME third boon lol

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this run is about to be lit

obsidian kite
#

so...Charged Shot on Beowulf is a rocket launcher

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only issue is I don't get my stones back immediately with trippy flare

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probably should've gotten phalanx shot instead

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it does a ton of damage though

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well that was a weird run lol

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tried to do a cast build, ended up not having a cast until near the end of Elysium

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and I got Unhealthy Fixation and Ares/Aphrodite duo lol so I ended up getting carried by those

forest marsh
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Dang, just had an Aphrodite call hit for 5307 Thanathink And it was on an add instead of the Tiny Vermin notlikeblob

obsidian kite
#

oof I hate when that happens

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or when you shoot it just above a boss threshold and they take like none of the damage

forest marsh
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Got Bad News in Asphodel and only just got Trippy Shot in the sack chamber dusa

cunning urchin
#

Lady Aphrodite's Aid hits exactly whom she intends to hit. squirtnya

forest marsh
cloud vault
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So the current challenge you do a run on heat+1 of the last one basically?

untold vortex
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or faster time at the same heat as last

cloud vault
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And it's first come basis per run I guess?

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Per heat or speed

untold vortex
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not sure, best off asking @mighty ermine I think

forest marsh
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Yes, it's first to claim each new level

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Runs are added to the spreadsheet automatically when you submit via the form, so it should be up to date

dry ember
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Submit quickly before the heat gets out of hand.

willow haven
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this looks fun

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is the spreadsheet updated in real time?

terse mist
#

yes

misty yoke
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guys i am doing a cast build with electric shot. now i have the choice between +1 cast or cast deals +48%damage. what should i go for ?

honest wing
#

do you have stygian soul or the other one

misty yoke
#

oof i forgot, can i check this during the run ?

fair cairn
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+1 cast for poseidon sword if you aim for exit wounds

misty yoke
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i have infernal soul

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and with the special i can get them back

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with the sword

fair cairn
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yeah you are using poseidon sword

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pick +1 cast and get exit wounds from artemis

misty yoke
#

yes. i forgot the name 😄

fair cairn
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the recommended build for it

misty yoke
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ok thank you. +1.

slim lynx
#

definitely try to get pressure points or support fire too if you can so you can get fully loaded. definitely one of the best cast build boons because it literally gives you 2 casts

misty yoke
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pressure points, which god is that ?

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nvm artemis

hybrid plume
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what’s a nice build for fists?

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Probably my least used weapon

fair cairn
#

what aspect

slim lynx
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max out zag aspect, and use the lambent plume

hybrid plume
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they’re all lvl 1 so any

slim lynx
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i only know zagreus because i never use the other aspects lol

hybrid plume
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Oooh Lambent Plume

fair cairn
#

lv1 demeter is meh so use talos

slim lynx
#

lambent plume is good because it adds to your dodge chance and also trains you to optimize how you use your weapon

fair cairn
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artemis attack + aphro special, go for heartrend

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dio, zeus, demeter attack are also good

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poseiden special with a full rupture/wallslam build is very fun with talos

slim lynx
#

aphrodite alone can also make for fun builds actually

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just get heartbreak strike and build towards unhealthy fixation

hybrid plume
#

alright thanks fam

slim lynx
#

maybe a status curse on special so you can proc privileged status

fair cairn
#

ares

hybrid plume
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wait do attack boons also affect dash strikes?

fair cairn
#

yes

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dash strike is also attack

hybrid plume
#

runs 20 heat consistently and doesn’t know that LMAO

fair cairn
#

but not dash upper mind you

hybrid plume
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alright pog

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ahh alright

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Thanks fam

slim lynx
#

dash strike are kinda weird

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they are technically attacks so they're affected by attack boons but also have boosts and benefits that apply exclusively to them

hybrid plume
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yup like Artemis Dash

honest wing
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and chaos dash strike

willow haven
hybrid plume
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if I'm doing Heartrend with Nemesis, should I put Artemis or Aphrodite in the Attack??

proven osprey
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Artemis, because you'll want hunter dash

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hence Hearbreak flourish is necessary to get the duo

hybrid plume
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ahh so artemis attack and dash, then aphro special

proven osprey
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It's better to get the special as soon as possible so

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I you have a choice between second Arty or first Aphrodite you'll go Aphrodite

hybrid plume
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yeah for sure

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but I'm asking in terms of damage output bec. artemis and aphro can interchange in attack and special

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hunter dash is staying for sure

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I'm not sure how the multipliers would work for which will give more damage between aphro or art attack

proven osprey
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I think Arty's better if you go hunter dash

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And she has some nice t2 boons which outscale Aphrodite at some point

slim lynx
#

hunter dash is pretty solid

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passion dash isn't bad but is rendered redundant if you have heartbreak flourish

hybrid plume
#

alright makes sense, thanks fellas

dense remnant
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I've never really used zagreus gloves, what's the point? dodge seems a bit underwhelming

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I'm sure I'm missing something obvious (other than combining it with Plume)

slim lynx
#

have you had over 50% base dodge chance

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you can even bump that up to over 80% using second wind

dense remnant
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definitely not, like I said, I've never given that aspect a try, cause it didn't seem to synergize with anything else other than Plume

slim lynx
#

i mean it's pretty much meant to synergize with plume

dense remnant
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but i'm curious, cause i've heard of some crazy clear times from zagreus gloves and i don't understand how

slim lynx
#

you can use the basic fist builds like zeus or heart rend build

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obviously you shouldn't build entirely around dodge chance, it's still important to prioritize other things such as god calls or your attack

dense remnant
#

makes sense

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speaking of Zeus, does anything other than Eris Aspect and Sweet Surrender (off the top of my head) increase lighting-strike damage?

slim lynx
#

supposedly any global damage modifiers should do it

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probably stuff like boiling blood

dense remnant
#

is there a list of those?

slim lynx
#

nope

barren otter
#

lowest max health I've ever had

slim lynx
#

hope you're using pierced butterfly

brazen nest
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Morning, just beat hades for the 2nd time with a aphro ares zag shield

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SUPER FUN

flat garden
opal lodge
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ive gone down to 1/1

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it's very fun

slim lynx
#

ah yes

opal lodge
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just dont look at your health and it's fine

slim lynx
#

proc the pierced butterfly or die

flat garden
#

i wish you can downgrade your weapons to give yourself a challenge

slim lynx
#

^

willow haven
#

this wait what's the extra challenge for barrel roll thingy

slim lynx
#

you have to "one-up" the previous submission

willow haven
#

that's it right

slim lynx
willow haven
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ya i gotchu

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last submission was 6 heat at 18minutes

brazen nest
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I wonder which weapon to try to beat hades now

willow haven
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i submitted 7 heat at 15minutes

slim lynx
#

i could probably submit my first-try 32 heat run but i'm afraid it would just ruin it for everyone else now that they have to do 33 heat or above

willow haven
#

it's supposed to go linearly tho?

hoary slate
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it has to be maximum 1-heat higher

willow haven
#

yeah

slim lynx
#

oh

opal lodge
#

ah

#

here it is

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cursed beowulf images

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the things i do for an extra cast stone

willow haven
#

holy

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LOL

slim lynx
#

just block lol!!

hoary slate
#

can still tank 3 hits

opal lodge
#

its 1 HP more than you need

willow haven
#

yo wtf why did my run get submitted twice

slim lynx
#

3 hits and the run's over

willow haven
#

any form manager here? i'm a pepeGa

proven osprey
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Bright don't make the same mistakes i did

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get some sleep

opal lodge
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im not playing hades rn

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when i do im coming for the record on zag spear

barren otter
willow haven
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@mighty ermine could you get rid of my dupe entry from the form Pepega

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how does one seed a run btw? just give up after a few chambers?

devout trellis
#

what are some good boon on authur?

slim lynx
#

arty or aphro are the way to go

devout trellis
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i see

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thx

willow haven
#

arty is super big

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gave me like 2k crit against hades

honest wing
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arty attack aphro special

proven osprey
slim lynx
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ah yes, ehart rend

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empty inside would be great for this

proven osprey
#

more or less ain't an expert

opal lodge
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my favorite thing is that

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vengeful mood

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increments rng

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by calling a random number

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between 3 and 3

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in other words, 3

proven osprey
#

lmao

willow haven
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lol

proven osprey
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but btw

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Not showing death is considerered seeded anyway

willow haven
#

i see, now i know why death is required

proven osprey
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  • it's already seeded if you give up because you have a nice start, simply not routed
willow haven
#

yeah that's pretty neat

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do you guys occasionally lose track of cursor as well or am i just a pepeGa ?

proven osprey
vital hound
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im watching someone streaming hades on twitch

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and he got the tiny vermin the first time he got to styx

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rip peepoSalute

spiral badge
slim lynx
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:pepeGa:

spiral badge
#

Controller is a common choice sabita, you might try it if you have one handy

willow haven
#

i did try it, can't get the hang of it

spiral badge
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Very ergonomic with this game

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Ah, sorry to hear

willow haven
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i'm just super bad with controllers

spiral badge
#

I’ve honestly thought about an arcade stick for this game lol

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It would save some hand wear and tear

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Probably not bad for other roguelikes too

willow haven
#

i've only seen people use those in fighting games

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feels like it'd fit hades

slim lynx
#

hades is twin-stick though

opal lodge
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lol

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satan uses a fightstick to increment rng for routed runs

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more precise summons

slim lynx
#

satan???

spiral badge
#

There you go

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Yeah it’s technically twin stick but when I thought about it I’m not sure I’ve ever touched the right one in this game, or roguelikes in general honestly. I like to deal with auto-aim and let my movement do the aiming for me

limber cloak
slim lynx
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i might consider visiting the speedrunning discord sometime

spiral badge
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Also Satanisachill guy is basically Guru On The Mountain for a lot of what is known about background mechanics of this game to my understanding

willow haven
#

paper PandaHugg

proven osprey
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Lmao

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He's really chill tho

spiral badge
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As I ask around so little of this game is documented and written down lol

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His is one of the names I always hear for those who truly understand the madness happening behind the curtain

honest wing
slim lynx
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it just makes the thing white

proven osprey
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Ellemenop too

spiral badge
#

Yeah I’ve talked to him a little too

proven osprey
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Doing big work

spiral badge
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I need to reach out to satan and ask some questions

willow haven
spiral badge
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I almost want to scribe for both of them and write it all down if they’d teach me. There’s so much knowledge to be had about what’s happening here and it exists nowhere but in their brains

willow haven
#

no cursor actually bothers me during dialogues with bosses

proven osprey
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It exists in the game code btw

willow haven
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yeah i'm aware

spiral badge
#

I mean, in a legible format?

willow haven
#

no like it's coded to not appear during the dialogues

spiral badge
#

oh

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I gotcha

proven osprey
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I think lua is pretty understandable

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Well I mean not for a noob like me but it's the few lines I've read are clear

willow haven
#

yep, most high level languages are like that

spiral badge
#

As a perspective check, even knowing where to find that information places you leagues above the majority of the playerbase that information like that would help. Myself too for even sitting down and wanting to ask more formal questions like this. That’s who I would want to help with the information that’s kept so locally and not really written down many places right now

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But yeah, Lua def isn’t hardmode for legibility. I just like technical writing and this seems like a good challenge, s’all

willow haven
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aye i wish there was like a website for all the fun builds

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i wouldn't have to bother paper then panda_boyo

slim lynx
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it's better to experiment on your own sometime

willow haven
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aye i just mindless goof off sometimes 😄

arctic leaf
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First hidden fist run. Picked up thunder flourish because it was epic. Any suggestions on where to go from here?

willow haven
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what weapon

arctic leaf
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Thinking I’ll aim for cold fusion.

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Hidden fist. I’m not sure where spoilers stop and end so I am not actually saying that part.

willow haven
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ah you already said it pepeGa

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vengeful mood might be good as well

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if you see a dio then take trippy

arctic leaf
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Vengeful mood is one I haven’t acquired yet, but wouldn’t that not work as well with maim?

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I’m at a chaos select now eyeing another cast stone.

willow haven
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it works on everything imo

arctic leaf
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I was thinking maybe aphro cast since I’m gonna be close anyway, but scintillating feast and ice win would also be nice.

willow haven
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zeus x aphro only gives the 25% ultimate right?

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tried it but wasn't a fan of that

arctic leaf
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I got a 9 min timer on, but festive fog doesn’t take THAT along.

willow haven
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yeah it's pretty stronk

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you'll be fine, 9min is ezpz

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Guys, which are your favorite weapon?

woven crater
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Bow

brazen nest
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I'm into shield and bow, I really crap with sword and spear

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Didn't try fists enough yet

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And the gun feels weird

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i think bow is generally my favourite

brazen nest
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I really liked a aphro ares shield build

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A lot of weak and pain

proven osprey
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prolly spear

flat garden
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sword

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Fists gang represent

flat garden
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especially a certain aspect of it

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hehe

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Cool Kids Play Talos Fists

slim lynx
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talos yo-yo supremacy

willow haven
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i tried talos and struggled again Sadge

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Float more

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Sting more

proven osprey
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Well, once you had a taste of explosive upper Demeter it's hard to go back

brazen nest
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I don't even know how to use fists

willow haven
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demeter supremacy

brazen nest
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Haven't beaten hydra

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I forget the name of the hammer but I got hadouken demeter once

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And boy was that a thing

willow haven
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kinetic launcher

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kinetic launcher demeter is just insane

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yeah that

limber cloak
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i got it in the first chamber once on a ME fists run

willow haven
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i tried it again and went with arty special

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it was PogChamp

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Did hades just stay back at the house orrrrr

willow haven
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he was fishing kekW

flat garden
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which one is kinetic launcher

willow haven
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hadouken

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turns fist uppercut into hadouken

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Stacks with dem fists for Metsu Hadouken

flat garden
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i still dont know what that is

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lol

flat garden
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i assume it like, shoots out a projectile?

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Yes

slim lynx
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it turns your special into a chargeable projectile

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Turns fist uppercut into a flying robo-punch if you like

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And stacks with dem to massive effect

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Also ups base damage, again stacking with dem to massive effect

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Also lowers uppercut endlag tremendously, stacking with fists in general to massive effect

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S+ hammer

willow haven
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True, where are my manners