h1-builds-and-combat

[ashen heart]

Are romances required for companions?

[sand tusk]

@ashen heart no

[spiral badge]

A few seconds can be a very long time in games like this

What it comes down to is total damage outputted

[half crater]

Aphro’s 2.5k is the greater call, meaning you can use Dio’s lesser call 4 times in the same time (and you should; it works out to more damage in his case)

[spiral badge]

He’s not wrong, dio call is right up there with zeus for damage and utility

[half crater]

Dio can effect multiple enemies as well

[spiral badge]

The trick is neither dio or zeus are “full call” calls

[sand tusk]

I guess I prefer press and forget calls like Aphro or Artemis

[spiral badge]

You spam them, rather than let them charge

[half crater]

zeus can work with a full call, but it’s usually a bad idea

[spiral badge]

Honestly I’m with you 2thumbs, I prefer 1 button to press for damage, but the math does bear out the other way

[half crater]

with dio you should never wait for a full call

[spiral badge]

Artemis is a different case. But thats bringing RNG into the conversation

[sand tusk]

I once had a call build with Poseidon's call and the boon that built up call automatically

I just Athena dashed until it built up, then did like 3K dmg , rinse and repeated

[plain prairie]

zzzzzzz

[spiral badge]

What makes merciful end special is that “strong” is the lowest setting it has 😉

[sand tusk]

@plain prairie Lol. More fun than Poseidon dashing everything against the wall lol

@spiral badge Eh, it's pretty weak on slow weapons like Arthur or Guan Yu

[plain prairie]

does me stack w the one that builds up every time you hit them

[half crater]

pretty sure it’s actually the speedrun strat for GY

[spiral badge]

I dont think you can put “weak” and “doom procs instantly” in the same sentence

[sand tusk]

@half crater Really? Why?

[spiral badge]

Less optimal maybe, but weak no

[half crater]

weapon isn’t really that slow

[plain prairie]

i have to stop hitting a

it is slow

[sand tusk]

I guess. I havent used it that much. Least favorite spear by fae

Far*

[half crater]

plus you can hit the entire map at once with your special

wait lemme double check this

[sand tusk]

I imagine merciful end would be really good with Fists and Athena dash

[spiral badge]

If you haven’t had a highrolling gilga ME run with 6 dashes yet, you haven’t lived

teleports around hades Goku style

hades falls to ribbons

[sand tusk]

I can't get merciful end. I got it once on my like 3rd run and never got it again.

[half crater]

yep fastest any heat run for Guan Yu on speedrun.com is an 8:51 with a merciful end build

[balmy portal]

Poseidon is a good 1 bar call too, in my experience

two hits per bar

[spiral badge]

Nothin personell, Father

[sand tusk]

@half crater 8:51? Blushes with my 22 minute PB lol

[coral cave]

ME is pretty viable for any weapon really

[spiral badge]

^^^^^’

[coral cave]

zeus shield is pretty good with ME

[spiral badge]

ME’s settings go from “strong” to “where did hades go”

[sand tusk]

@coral cave I cant imagine it being good on Arthur at least

[half crater]

speedrunners amirite

[coral cave]

yeah i'd imagine it'd be kinda meh on arthur

[spiral badge]

Probably worst there, in fairness

[plain prairie]

brb me rama

[spiral badge]

Slowest attack speed, least capable of taking advantage

Rama too

Rama ME is kinda missing the point of both

[half crater]

rama ME would doom with special, proc with dash, ignore attack

[spiral badge]

Yeah

[half crater]

not optimal for sure, but you’d do alright

[spiral badge]

A shoehorned build, at best

Still ME tho

[sand tusk]

Actually, when you figure in ridiculous base damage on top of ME, it might murder a lot lol. Put Ares on Special then Athena on attack.

[plain prairie]

i feel like me rama would shine if athean was on the special and areas on atk

so if u do roll it then special and proc me

[spiral badge]

Problem is Shared Suffering doesn’t transmit ME damage

Only attack damage itself

[plain prairie]

idc

[spiral badge]

Not curse damage

[balmy portal]

that's the biggest drawback of explosive arrows with rama too, imo 😛

[spiral badge]

Oof, didn’t even know that

Yet another reason to never touch explosive on rama

[balmy portal]

I'm pretty sure I've seen shared suffering fail to fire off when I killed things with the attack, I assumed it was that

I could be wrong

[sand tusk]

Best bow build I ever had was a Zag run with Aphro attack, then Flurry and Double shot hammers lol

[spiral badge]

Zag bow is secretly one of the most out of control weapons in the game

[coral cave]

twin shot + explosive on rama is pretty good actually

[spiral badge]

If the hammers fall your way it shreds

[coral cave]

was doing insane damage

[spiral badge]

I could see twin shot explosive

At that point who cares about charge rate

[coral cave]

dash strike takes care of the charge rate

[sand tusk]

Flurry and Explosive is good too

[half crater]

triple explosive is where it’s at

kill all the enemies literally inside you

[spiral badge]

Allhu Rama

[sand tusk]

No wait I'm thinking the spear 🤐

[balmy portal]

rama should be point blank dashing shots anyway

so no reason to not run explosives for the charge >.>

[spiral badge]

If I wanted to have a weapon with no range I would play fists

[balmy portal]

tch, it's got some range

[spiral badge]

Dont get me wrong rama is the shotgun bow but explosive shot makes it sooooo agonizing for me, even with the dash charge

[plain prairie]

long knuckle

[spiral badge]

Twin and triple all day though

[sand tusk]

Any tips to deal with shield guys with Arthur?

[plain prairie]

cry

[balmy portal]

get behind them after an attack 😛

they face the same way for ages

[sand tusk]

My attacks take ages too lol

[plain prairie]

but ime how i deal with shield guys depdns on my build

[spiral badge]

Don’t feel bad. I can’t Arthur either.

[sand tusk]

I really WANT to Arthur though

So I'm going to run Arthur until I'm good with him.

Which means.... taking off God Mode... 😢

[agile plover]

What cast and duo would I want for aspect of Hera? I already know greater recall is absolutely lovely for it, as is quick reload

[half crater]

crush shot in parting shot, flood shot into mirage shot (and/or blizzard shot) and trippy flare into scintillating feast are all great options

[agile plover]

Duly noted, ty

[plain prairie]

blizzard shot is like 1000x better than mirage ime

[hard phoenix]

I just realized

If you use Athena charm at the very start of Theseus' second phase, the gods will literally smite him the entire duration

he literally melted I feel so bad

[plain prairie]

would aphro legendary do that ?

[hard phoenix]

i dunno, all i used was a fully charged charm

woops, yeah i meant aphro not athena aa

[plain prairie]

nw igu

[deep parcel]

beowulf aspect has bonus damage on cast?

[sterile nebula]

if i put poseidon special on demeter fists, will it knock the foes away on the first hit or the last hit?

by which i mean, will it push foes away and not hit them with all hits? (i just tested it, and it does 😫 )

[rotund lily]

do it next to a wall for 5x wall slam

[sterile nebula]

i just did that by accident and was like
oh
this is actually very good

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/XRpaehI.jpg

You could say my special is looking... pretty special...

499 damage crits on return

[formal depot]

i hate witches circle with all of my soul

perfect runs have been ruined

you think stepping into witches circle without athena boons is pain t

try walking in with aspect of lucifer

you cant even destroy the projectiles

i lost 2 dds on an otherwise normal run because of witches circle

i hate witches circle

[keen mesa]

use special

against them

[formal depot]

aspect of lucifer

[keen mesa]

yeah...

That's the only aspect I use for rail

I almost never use the attack either, cuz I hate reloading

[formal depot]

yeah i just hate witches circle

like its probably my least favourite room in the entire game

[coral cave]

triple + cluster bomb on lucifer is fun

[formal depot]

im pretty sure you cant get cluster on lucifer

also dont think you can have triple and cluster at the same time

[keen mesa]

correct

you can get triple on lucifer, but you can't get cluster

and you can't get cluster AND triple

[formal depot]

triple cluster would be way too broken

[keen mesa]

Triple Bomb: Cannot be combined with Cluster Bomb or Hazard Bomb

Cluster Bomb: Cannot be combined with Hazard Bomb or Triple Bomb

Hazard Bomb: Cannot be combined with Rocket Bomb, Cluster Bomb or Triple Bomb

[coral cave]

im using mods

whoops

[keen mesa]

What you CAN do is combine Rocket Bomb with Cluster Bomb

[formal depot]

cluster rocket is a tried and true method

[gray lintel]

the shotgun

rocket shotgun

[graceful bough]

Either the Wiki has incomplete requisites for getting Flurry Slash and Flurry Jab, or I have the absolute worst RNG of all time.

[coral cave]

some aspects are incompatible

[keen mesa]

Flurry Jab is spear, Flurry Slash is sword

and both have zero requisites

Although if you took OTHER things before them...

you wouldn't be able to be offered them

[graceful bough]

It's apparent my wording was not clear.

[keen mesa]

but that's not a prerequsite

[graceful bough]

I was trying to be concise.

[coral cave]

what aspect are you using with the spear

[graceful bough]

Neither Hades nor Guan Yu, as per the Wiki.

But I've been focusing more on the sword.

With which I've gone back to just Aspect of Zagreus.

I've been careful to never take the hammer boons that are incompatible.

Run, after run, after run, it doesn't show up.

Getting those two hammer boons are all that I have left for prophecies, period.

[coral cave]

youre probably just unlucky

[formal depot]

thats just bad luck probably

just play normal runs and when you start with a hammer give up and switch to spear or sword

[graceful bough]

Really bad luck.

[formal depot]

since the start will always be the same even if you equip a boon keepsake

[graceful bough]

Getting the duos and legendaries, I definitely had a lot of bad luck.

But with this, it's gotten to the point where it feels like there's definitely a reason I'm not getting it.

[sand tusk]

Okay playing without God Mode isnt that much different

Set a PB in both time and heat, (20 minutes and 5).

[graceful bough]

Finally switched to spear and immediately got Flurry Stab. LKndkfbabfsdjh

lol

I'm having RNG flashbacks to Terraria.

[formal depot]

im doing a super soaker run should i pick flash fire, piercing fire or triple beam

[keen mesa]

uh, possibly piercing

[formal depot]

sure

[keen mesa]

I've never really been impressed with triple beam

[formal depot]

yeah the triple hammers never really made sense to me

anyways does anyone know if breaking wave has an internal cooldown

[sand tusk]

Okay, why does Zeus Special not scale with Stygius Double Nova? Still only get the one strike?

[unkempt pagoda]

thunder flourish has an internal cooldown

[formal depot]

^

[fathom raptor]

Ok

Lucifer Eternal Chamber + Poseidon attack + Sea storm most broken run I've ever had

[formal depot]

super soaker

[fathom raptor]

it has a name?

[formal depot]

yep

[coral cave]

ye

[fathom raptor]

bet

also I had Epic double strike and high voltage xD

most of my boons were epic cuz Dio + Pos duo

also Epic swift strike smh

[formal depot]

YESSSS

zeus finally gave me sea storm

[obsidian heart]

Kind of a random question for keyboard + mouse players, but this has been bothering me for a while. How do you aim casts? On KB&M whenever I cast it shoots in the direction of my last attack regardless of where my cursor is pointing, so i always have to click attack or special in the direction i want before casting (which is a nuisance since I want to cast in a chosen direction immediately in an intense fight). Any advice appreciated!

[formal depot]

cast at cursor

theres an option called attack at cursor, pretty sure that counts for casts too

and aim assist helps to lock on to enemies

[obsidian heart]

I do have attack at cursor turned on, but it's still casting in the direction of my last atk rather than at my cursor :/

[formal depot]

thats really weird

[obsidian heart]

im looking through the other settings, aim assist also on

so just to confirm, when you cast, it always shoots in the direction where your cursor is pointing right?

[formal depot]

yep

i tried to pm you a video of me casting but its too big :\

i trimmed it it should be sent

[plain prairie]

can you purge a pre-req to keep its duo

[plush fog]

if you already have the duo yes

[plain prairie]

ty

divine flourish has been banished

[formal depot]

is this about merciful end

[plain prairie]

ofc

[formal depot]

divine dash is the real MVP

[plain prairie]

factual

[formal depot]

does hermes affect reload speed on rail?

cause it affects charge time on bow so i assume itll do the same with rail

[urban flame]

oh wow, fully upgraded shield hidden aspect is pretty fun for bulldozing through skull rooms

best cast for it in your opinions?

I'm trying to see how I feel about the cooldown time on dio fog

[gusty rapids]

if you're using dio, tht works really well with beowulf but stygian soul is the better option for it

then if u get an extra cast from chaos, you just cruise

[fading garden]

I believe it's flood shot. That is usually the go to cast for speedrunners

[gusty rapids]

poseidon cast is good for a few reasons

good damage, but in particular the aoe is huge which is always nice. also gives you one half of the prereqs for mirage shot, which is extremely good on cast builds

and poseidon's tier 2's are just great in general

but aphro, poseidon, and dio cast are all rly good w beo

[urban flame]

ah course, how could I forget

Shooting for Mirage Shot has the minor bonus of increasing the likelihood of getting the artemis legend too

[gusty rapids]

yeah

[urban flame]

which sounds like a real trip on Stygian

[gusty rapids]

unfortunately fully loaded is quite a reach

sad

[urban flame]

it truly is

I've gotten as high as four casts on stygian with Hera

You just need to bend over backwards to make it happen is the issue

[gusty rapids]

yeah

i usually dont go for it, its just too much of a highroll. getting mirage shot can sometimes already be tough enough

tho i will absolutely not complain if the pieces happen to line up

[urban flame]

it's a HUGE trip, super fun

[haughty blade]

Hey im new to this community and was wondering if I could post a screen shot of a build I really liked?

If not I have no problem explaining it

Oh just found out the hard way nevermind lol

[mighty ermine]

if it's a victory screen you can upload directly to #h1-victory-boasting . if not you can use external image links here still

[haughty blade]

But its a Blitz Disc Merciful End build with Athena attack, Ares special, Pulverizing Blow hammer.

[mighty ermine]

like imgur or from another discord server upload

[gusty rapids]

oh yeah that build goes hard

[haughty blade]

Oh hi ive seen your runs lol

[gusty rapids]

really powerful build

[haughty blade]

Yeah i had used blitz with dio and aphro and loved it, but this was something else

[gusty rapids]

yeah zeus shield is a pretty good user of merciful end

[haughty blade]

Agreed, I feel like I dont see people use that aspect much

[gusty rapids]

yeah its very unusual for a shield

so its not too surprising ppl dont use it as much

[haughty blade]

For sure, its just been my favorite shield since I maxed it a while back

Can't quite get the hang of beo or chaos

[gusty rapids]

chaos shield stinky dont at me

beowulf is also fairly unusual tbf

[haughty blade]

Nah I kinda agree lol

Also @ u

I think zeus merciful end works so well is because you don't have to get Athena dash to make it work like some other weapons and aspects

[urban flame]

Chaos shield plays decent, but when I get the hammer that makes special deal more damage on dash, it takes a lot of spoons to use

[gusty rapids]

yeah ME works very well on zeus partly for that reason, that u dont need the dash

[haughty blade]

Yeah that makes sense, thats pretty much the only way I can use it,

[gusty rapids]

zeus shield is very flexible with it

like you can get doom on attack or special and be totally fine with it

not needing the dash adds to the flexibility

[haughty blade]

Hmm switching the attack/special around would be interesting

It just seems like youd get more value from the former

[gusty rapids]

i kinda like athena on the special personally since it gives you good damage (without any specific hammer) to help clear rooms before you get merciful end

but its kinda preference i think

[urban flame]

It is also a decent forcefield

[haughty blade]

That makes sense

That ALSO makes sense lol

[gusty rapids]

one day i want to get the ultimate high roll build for zeus shield

[haughty blade]

Im just doing my 20 heat rounds and im on spear and im sad about it

[gusty rapids]

ares/athena attack/special (either order), artemis cast, aphro dash

merciful end, deadly reversal, heart rend

[haughty blade]

Oof

That'll do it

[urban flame]

goshhhhh

that would stomp

[haughty blade]

That sounds like when I used zeus and got curse of longing, nausea and another curse I cant remember, but it slapped lol

Nevermind the last one wasnt a curse, it was low tolerance

Lots of hangover and doom damage

I think it also had explosive return

Any recommendations for a spear build that isnt achilles lol?

[urban flame]

hehe achilles fun

THE GREATEST OF THE GREEKS

but hmm

[gusty rapids]

use achilles but with every cast lul

you could go for a heart rend type build on hades spear with like artemis attack and aphro dash i suppose

[haughty blade]

I mean it really is sick I just dont wanna limit myself to just that aspect

[gusty rapids]

not 100% sure how to properly build hades spear but im p sure thats good

charged skewer guan yu is also good, tho i like quick + massive spin if i can get it, purely for enjoyment

[urban flame]

Quick + Massive Gaun Yu is so good

[gusty rapids]

i like demeter on the attack to slow enemies down so u can get more spins off

[urban flame]

Athena attack on it feels very nice, but Demeter is great

[haughty blade]

Hmm ill try one of those

ME on guan yu? Lol

[urban flame]

Poseidon + Zeus could be fun for hades, the spin is huge and easily walls mooks

[haughty blade]

Okay ME on guan yu isnt too bad so far, i just need quick hammer lol

[gusty rapids]

oh yeah ME on GY is pretty good too

[haughty blade]

Yeah ive died twice because im not used to using guan yu spin lol. But it does pretty decent

[slim lynx]

does parting shot work with beo?

[hoary slate]

You should not be able to get it.

[gusty rapids]

^

[slim lynx]

can i get mirage shot?

[half crater]

absolutely

parting shot didn't do anything on beo so they made it so it just wouldn't turn up, but other duos work just fine

[haughty blade]

Is quick or flaring better for hades spear

[half crater]

quick

[mighty ermine]

flaring when damage control is active

quick otherwise

[haughty blade]

Coolio thanks

[half crater]

oh fair that makes sense

[versed igloo]

How is Chaos Shield good?

[haughty blade]

That's a great question lol

[versed igloo]

I really don't see it

I've played with it many times, I don't get it

[haughty blade]

I feel you, it seems like you should be able to "shotgun" with it better

[versed igloo]

the spread becomes too large, and since you can only upgrade it when youve charge attacked, its kind of awkward to position yourself properly

[nocturne pivot]

You don't have to fire it while charging. Charging let's you just shoot it

[haughty blade]

I dont mind the spread or have trouble with the positioning for it really cuz you can kinda quick charge with it, but i just cant get good damage

[nocturne pivot]

Like you can charge, reposition then throw

[haughty blade]

Right

[half crater]

its the safest aspect in the game, because its a shield that also has range

[versed igloo]

@nocturne pivot thats what I mean

[half crater]

it doesn't deal a lot of damage and its by no means fast, but its extremely safe

[dry ember]

You need it on level 4 or 5

On level 2 which you have it's garbage yeah

[versed igloo]

yeah its pretty bad right now

[half crater]

yeah also it basically doesn't work at all before its maxed out

[versed igloo]

thats why I dont think its good then

[dry ember]

Problem solved :D

[slim lynx]

does heart rend specifically require the flourish/strike boons or do casts/dashes also work?

[gusty rapids]

i know both casts work, and aphro dash works

arty dash does not

[proven osprey]

Aphrodite : Heartbreak strike/flourish, passion dash, Crush Shot.
Artemis : Deadly strike/flourish, True Shot

[slim lynx]

how do you even get heroic boons from hermes? rare crop and ambrosia delight?

[spice iris]

idk ive never gottenm a heroic one before

except maybe from buying it from charon at the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKepf4jyn4o

have u guys seen this

[weak violet]

Indeed

[bright fossil]

what other cast is good on Hera bow?

other than dio cast

[limber cloak]

Aphro cast and even arty cast can work wonders @bright fossil

[bright fossil]

artemis?

[sinful stratus]

i personally don't like artemis cast on hera since it feels redundant

bc the original cast seeks foes

[limber cloak]

yeah, arty=artemis

@sinful stratus yeah i guess that is true

[sinful stratus]

but it works in a way if you want to hit one foe only

[limber cloak]

But it can work wonders with crits

[sinful stratus]

the crit is still there

yep

[limber cloak]

That's basically hera in a nutshell

With any cast other than poseidon and dio

you can do a heart rend build with weak on attack

And arty cast

[sinful stratus]

some people like ares+artemis duo cast on hera

[limber cloak]

And even try to go for arty legendary

[limber cloak]

ew

[coral cave]

Hunting blades on hera is crazy

[limber cloak]

Hunting blades suck on hera and beo

In my experience

[coral cave]

Maybe you just suck /s

[limber cloak]

Shut up

:(

[coral cave]

[sinful stratus]

but can we all agree that the least useful cast on hera is demeter cast

was about to say zeus but at least it's guaranteed to hit on loaded attack

[limber cloak]

demeter works wonders with hera wdym???

I got my pb with it, under 2mins in game time

[sinful stratus]

[robust anchor]

[bright fossil]

Hera with Dio cast is more fun than i expected

easier to use in styx than Chiron

[half crater]

hunting blades is great, but hera does nothing for it

weapon for hunting blades is achilles

[slim lynx]

achilles is the best weapon for crystal beam/hunting blades imo

+stygian soul (and definitely chaos grasp/fully loaded)

[woeful pasture]

Is this the right chat for like fun builds and stuff like that. I’m trying to fulfill as many prophecies as I can but doing this and just reaching the end picking random boobs gets kinda boring, so I was wondering if anyone had like some fun builds. : )

[proven osprey]

Yeah tbh most build suggestions are fun

[woeful pasture]

Aight imma keep an eye out for this chat then, thanks

[proven osprey]

You can start with Hera x Beo cast. Fish for demeter/Zeus duo. Stygian cast, get more casts from chaos (infernal will work too)

[kindred whale]

best special in the game?

[proven osprey]

wdym best special?

[kindred whale]

Aspect of chiron is my favorite weapon

wanted to know the best special

for that bow

its a homing bow that I have maxed out

struggling between demeter , dionysus and zeus

[proven osprey]

Deadly flourish for the Heartrend build or Drunken flourish for the low tolerance one

Zeus is not good since its ICD (internal cooldown) won't get you more than 2 or 3 lightning per volley

Demeter is not that good in terms of dmg but it can work, although not as efficient as the two builds aforementinned

[kindred whale]

kk ty

one question whats the low tolerance one?

nvm got it

[proven osprey]

These builds are nice because you can start with the Eternal rose for the attack

[kindred whale]

kk

[whole copper]

i've been looking in to builds but what do i do when i can't find what builds are suggesting? is there a reason builds don't include, like, back up options? o:

[proven osprey]

The build I just suggested have indeed a duo in them but they could work without it pretty well

the chance of getting on duo is pretty high too

[whole copper]

i've been having runs where certain gods just don't show up

or a hammer literally never shows up

[proven osprey]

You have to force your gods through the first and second biome (if necessary). You will always get offered 2 hammers no matter what

[whole copper]

i've literally gone runs with 0 hammers though.

how do you "force" a god

[proven osprey]

With their keepsake

[proven osprey]

Because you refused to take one at some point

[willow haven]

the biggest F is when the hammer is in the shop

[proven osprey]

that's a F indeed

[willow haven]

and you don't have gold

[whole copper]

they must have been because i dont take the shop very often

i usually save my gold until styx

[willow haven]

no you usually get hammer in tartarus

[proven osprey]

You will get one hammer in Tart/Aspho and one in Elysium

[whole copper]

i got 0 hammer in tattarus/asphodil so far

[willow haven]

that means you skipped

[whole copper]

im in elysium lets see if there's a hammer

i would have taken the hammer if it was an option

[willow haven]

yeah.. no

[whole copper]

yeah.. yeah.

[proven osprey]

It's how it works Kaede

[limber cloak]

for me, i either get runs where i get the hammer super early in tart

or late in elysium

[whole copper]

im mid-way through elysium now

so we'll see when the hammer shows up

[slim lynx]

is trippy flare really a good cast for beo? i don't wanna have to wait for the fog to subside before i can kill people left and right again

[whole copper]

it hasnt yet

[limber cloak]

elysium is basically guaranteed hammer tbh

[proven osprey]

One hammer is always offered in tartarus or Asphodel and one in Elysium.

[limber cloak]

yes

is very good with stygian soul

[willow haven]

it was SUPER FUN

[limber cloak]

especially if you get chaos boons

[slim lynx]

oh yeah i didn't think about that

[willow haven]

ye, chaos boon and fully loaded

[limber cloak]

also, get ice wine or scintillating feast

[viscid iris]

yeah whenever the hammer shows up super early in tart, its almost always one of the two doors once you enter elysium

[slim lynx]

trippy flare would actually work best on beo with stygian

[woeful pasture]

I’m so bad with names I need the game in front of me to know like oh yeah that aspect lmao

[willow haven]

it's bonkers good

[limber cloak]

you will literally clear most rooms in like ~15 seconds

[willow haven]

ye

[whole copper]

ok first hammer after minos

[willow haven]

@limber cloak i tried beowulf with ares blades but didn't have much success

[limber cloak]

that is a sign that youre suffering from a disease known as "not playing the game for 8 hours a day"

[slim lynx]

the low damage output would be a downside though (yes i know scint exists)

[willow haven]

because i neither got fully loaded nor chaos boons

[limber cloak]

LMAO beo sucks with ares cast

[slim lynx]

even with still like grasp

[willow haven]

fr?

[limber cloak]

doesnt even matter if you get chaos or not

beo sucks with ares cast

[woeful pasture]

Hahah seems like it, need to pump those numbers up 😅

[willow haven]

the blade was super big

[slim lynx]

does ares cast on beo literally just apply doom in an area?

[limber cloak]

the best casts on beo are dio, aphro, arty

[proven osprey]

poseidon

[willow haven]

no, it creates a blade

[limber cloak]

oh yeah

that too

[proven osprey]

arty good damage but small aoe so pose/dio/Aphrodite are better tbh

[limber cloak]

yeah true

[willow haven]

i also learned that you can charge beowulf first then cast to get the same effect

[limber cloak]

honestly beo feels so different maxed out

[slim lynx]

ok that sounds cool but trippy would probably be better since personally stunning enemies and making them totally helpless to your attacks is better than a literal supermassive black hole

[limber cloak]

vs how it felt when i first unlocked the weapon

[limber cloak]

it literally is

[willow haven]

yeah trippy is god tier on beowulf

[limber cloak]

trippy is also pretty good in hera

since hera struggles with aoe

[slim lynx]

i tried aphro on beowulf and it feels so much different than the first time i tried beowulf

[limber cloak]

and getting the highest base damage cast+aoe+stunlock is insane

also getting charged shot on beo literally feels like cheating

not even joking

[slim lynx]

i had no idea how to even make a cohesive build so i just fought hades with a lvl 2 tempest flare, no t2 boons from poseidon and charged shot

[limber cloak]

like, the game just becomes easy

[willow haven]

@limber cloak any fun sword builds? 😄

[limber cloak]

atleast you had charged shot

[limber cloak]

cast or general?

[willow haven]

generally

[limber cloak]

double dash strike hammer on sword is insane

double special hammer can also be good

[willow haven]

i tried crit arthur build

[slim lynx]

then i decided to do an actual beo build with heartbreak flare and it was 😩 👌

[willow haven]

i only got 1 2k crit on hades

[limber cloak]

arthur is too slow for me tbh

[willow haven]

frf

[limber cloak]

yess

[willow haven]

super slow

[slim lynx]

doing like 1k damage from 4 casts

[limber cloak]

i can never aim arthur right

and i even play on kbm

[willow haven]

yeah same

it's sluggish

[limber cloak]

yes, im doing beo aphro build rn and its so insane

plus i have charged shot

so like

[slim lynx]

it was only a shame i didn't get heart rend since i decided to get deadly strike but that probably would have been better if i had deadly flare instead

[limber cloak]

game's basically on easy mode

anyway, sword builds, id recommend going nemesis aspect @willow haven and getting something like arty on attack

and aphro on special

then just spam crits

[willow haven]

yee that sounds super dope

i'll give it a shot

[limber cloak]

your combo should look something like: special+two dash strikes+special again+two dash strikes

rinse and repeat

literal max i-frames

[willow haven]

aye thanks

[limber cloak]

theres a good sword vid guide out there, ill link it gimme a sec

it teaches how to use the sword, especially if you hate that the third attack on the sword knocks back enemies

and you cant ever aim properly with sword

[slim lynx]

i like how for heart rend builds it's almost always "ok so you should get aphro on special and arty on attack"

[limber cloak]

lol

heart rend is just too good of a duo

probably best duo after merciful end tbh

atleast in some situations

[slim lynx]

it even still works for other builds

like hera or poseidon where it's aphro on attack/special and arty on cast lol

[limber cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpnOOhSftGc

@willow haven sword vid^

[limber cloak]

oh yeah

true

arty is just a very good god

[willow haven]

oh yeah it was on my recommended few days ago

[limber cloak]

has cast legendary + exit wounds + amazing fast weapon builds

[limber cloak]

this is a sign that youre doing things right

:)

[willow haven]

😄

[limber cloak]

that channel in general is very good

offers good builds and stuff

[whole copper]

if a build requires multiple gods how do i prioritize which keepsake to use?

[limber cloak]

he had a poseidon special vid earlier, was amazing

[slim lynx]

fully loaded is so good for cast builds and i literally never get it

[willow haven]

i'll check it out

[limber cloak]

depends, usually you should get the god that affects your most used damage output

[willow haven]

i only ask you for fun builds because the first build you recommended was SUUUPER fun

[limber cloak]

e.g if youre going for a poseidon+zeus build on the rail, you should get zeus first on the attack if youre going to attack a lot

[slim lynx]

it requires you to get 2/3 boons that are usually pushed to the side by primary boons or t2 boons smh

[limber cloak]

so that you can get through tartarus easily, then get poseidon in asphodel

[limber cloak]

lol yw

[limber cloak]

true tbh, poseidon builds are incomplete without breaking wave

if im going for a poseidon anything build, i instantly fill in my call attack and special and whatever not with something that is not poseidon

[slim lynx]

no artemis i don't want hide breaker for the 17th time i want PRESSURE POINTS

[limber cloak]

so in elysium or whatever, i can get max poseidon t2 boons

[limber cloak]

THIS

especially when you need pp for her legendary

[whole copper]

boons have tiers?

[slim lynx]

artemis' boons are great but she can be so annoying if you're actually going for specific boons from her

[willow haven]

obviously lol

[slim lynx]

boons that have prerequisites but aren't legendary/duo

[limber cloak]

yes, for example, you can only get athena's exposed status curse if you already have her deflect on your attack/special/dash

[slim lynx]

such as sweet surrender or glacial glare

[whole copper]

oh ok i know about those

[whole copper]

not obviously.

[limber cloak]

or you can only get poseidon's breaking wave, if you already have his knockback on something

[whole copper]

i wouldn't have asked if it was obvious.

._.

[slim lynx]

i mean obviously for some boons you'd likely need to have something else for those to work

[limber cloak]

yeah but calling them tiers isnt as obvious

thats just something we call them in the community

[whole copper]

i knew about boons that had prerequesites

i didnt know those were called tier 2 boons?

[limber cloak]

duo boons are different from tier twos

green boons are duos

those are not tier twos

those are duo boons

[whole copper]

i mean those literally say duo on them

[limber cloak]

you might be confusing the two

[whole copper]

so that's obvious

I'm not.

[limber cloak]

ok ok yeah

[proven osprey]

Yeah a tier 2 boon has 1 prereq, legendary and duo have 2 prereq

[whole copper]

oh so legendary require 2 prerequesites?

[limber cloak]

nope

[whole copper]

i thought they were just super rare?

[limber cloak]

hermes' legendaries dont have two prereqs

they only have one

[limber cloak]

they do have prereqs

[proven osprey]

Come on it's the only exception

[limber cloak]

one insane tip for the game is, always check your codex

[proven osprey]

with Chaos

[whole copper]

the codex is a bit too information-dense.

.>

[limber cloak]

before you go to accept a god's booon or play to do a run with them, check the codex

press the button for boon checking

and then scroll

[limber cloak]

lol

[willow haven]

on the right side you see the prerequisites

[proven osprey]

Yup. For example, to get Fully loaded from Artemis, you'll need 2 boons among : Exit wounds, Support Fire and Pressure Points

which are Tier 1 boons

[limber cloak]

is exit wounds tier 1?

i havent gotten it enough to realize that lol

[proven osprey]

You need a lodging cast

so yeah it's a bit special

I guess it's Tier 2 then yeah

[whole copper]

what would be a good build for Zagreus Shield? I'm using it until I can unlock it's last aspect.

[proven osprey]

Deadly strike, find Aphrodite for Heart Rend. Dashing wallop is your best hammer, along with Pulverizing blow

[whole copper]

hammer?

[willow haven]

?

[whole copper]

"dashing wallop is your best hammer"

I don't know what hammer means in this context.

[willow haven]

daedelus

[whole copper]

Daedalus?

I'm.. sorry?

[willow haven]

did you just start the game fam? it's the hammer upgrades you get for your weapons

[slim lynx]

daedalus hammers

[whole copper]

yes.

[slim lynx]

as in daedalus hammer upgrades

[willow haven]

i see

don't worry about the builds rn

[whole copper]

I've done a few completions and am trying to graduate from "picking w/e I think is the best"

[willow haven]

just experiment a bit

[whole copper]

Nah I'm intentionally worrying about builds now

yeah I already did

hence asking for some build ideas.

[willow haven]

how many clears?

[whole copper]

4 so far

[willow haven]

xD

[whole copper]

I'm sorry?

Did I say something wrong?

[proven osprey]

Wait

We did talk about hammer you would not find like an hour ago

They are the artifacts that modify your weapon

[whole copper]

Yeah I got that now.

[opal lodge]

charged shot is still one of the best hammers for zag shield

even if it doesnt get the inherent zag shield buff

[proven osprey]

that's true

But the bonks are more important here Bright

[whole copper]

I wasn't sure what you meant by "dashing wallop is your best hammer" because I was lacking context.

I didn't interpret that as "dashing wallop is the best hammer upgrade"

I thought it might have been like "your best big single target hit"

Or something similar.

[proven osprey]

Oh yeah I see

[willow haven]

beowulf indicator seems to be bugged if you cast right before ending the bull rush

[whole copper]

regarding combat: alternating dash+normal attack seems to be one of the shields fastest dps options. Am I correct?

i noticed some of the weapons I could normal attack, and then immediately hit dash+dash attack and basically get two attacks out really quickly

and have been doing that to burst stuff down

especially if I can wall slam

[willow haven]

for the shield i'd say bull rush and attacks

i don't really dash that much when using shield because i can just block

[proven osprey]

The regular attack would be more damage, although dash striking with dashing wallop is better for dmg and AOE. Be careful with dash strikes since you lose your iframe while performing it

[whole copper]

im usually using dash specifically to use the dash attack

both of my shield clears so far have been heavily invested in to dash attack damage

[proven osprey]

Bullrush is less damage on Zag aspect, do it for the iframe but otherwise just attack until they die

[willow haven]

yeah blocking is a nobrainer and it was quite fun blocking almost everything

[whole copper]

I don't block a lot 'cause bull rush takes a while to fully charge unless I get the hammer upgrade that cuts the charge time

[willow haven]

if you get charged shot then that's pretty dope

[whole copper]

or is a partial charge good enough?

[proven osprey]

It will be less damage ofc. But the main purpose of the bullrush is being invicible during the whole duration of the move

which is incredibly OP

[limber cloak]

it isnt bugged for me

seems to work fine

[willow haven]

[limber cloak]

whats the bug in your case

[willow haven]

the indicator becomes bigger even though there is no cast

[limber cloak]

you shouldnt really be charging it to full anyway

[whole copper]

also, on zag shield, special doesn't seem very good.

[limber cloak]

its not a power shot with the bow, bull rushing (unless youre on hidden shield) shouldnt be your primary damage source imo

[limber cloak]

huh, weird

never experienced it

[whole copper]

right now my primary damage would be alternating attack+dash attack

[proven osprey]

don't bother with special unless your building arount it

[whole copper]

since it's faster than just normal attack alone

[willow haven]

yea i find the shield special kinda underwhelming ngl

[serene zealot]

Eh, it's good on chaos shield

[limber cloak]

nah

special is good on chaos

special+attack

you only bull rush to get the buff

[willow haven]

any fun builds? 😄

[limber cloak]

with?

chaos?

[serene zealot]

I found switching between bull rushing and special worked though

[willow haven]

chaos

yeah

[limber cloak]

doom on special will clear rooms

[willow haven]

thanks fam

ily

[limber cloak]

you can also try deflect on attack or dash, and go for merciful end @willow haven

so you just special, then attack

[willow haven]

i wanted to try mericul end so bad but didn't get it last time on a doom build

[limber cloak]

do you have the mirror upgrade for duos

[willow haven]

maybe this time?

yeah but i always go with the epic one lol

[serene zealot]

I went with Aphrodite attack, grabbed the charged shot hammer, and had poseidon special with the rupture boon for PS, it was pretty fun

[opal lodge]

@willow haven casting on beowulf always makes your NEXT bullrush bigger

so if you preload the cast (ie, load cast, then charge rush) your bull rush will be bigger

BUT

[willow haven]

yeah but if you immediately cast right before bullrush ends

the effect procs

[opal lodge]

if you load the cast right in the middle

your NEXT bull rush will be bigger

regardless of whether you loaded a cast or not

[willow haven]

but the effect doesn't proc

oh i see

[opal lodge]

yee

[limber cloak]

if youre going for duos, dont go for the epic one

[willow haven]

@limber cloak god that was so fun! i was lucky enough to get dread flight which made it even more bonkers

went everything athena except special and was able to get merciful end in elysium

really fit my playstyle 😄

[spiral badge]

As clunky as I find beo, i really love how powerful the shield throw is

It’s the only shield where the charging throw is a legitimately great offensive choice

[slim lynx]

guan yu

[rare kindle]

Supersoaker got me my fastest time yet on rail

[plush fog]

that uses Lucifer rail right?

[rare kindle]

Yep

[plush fog]

I want to get that... I don't have any blood in rail.. I am thinking Eris would be good? Any build tips?

I have heard zeus on attack is good

but I am also thinking pos on attack and then sea storm could be even better

[spiral badge]

Sea storm is the highroll rail build for sure, but Zeus is a much more common suggestion

[plush fog]

other than zeus attack, what should I go for?

[spiral badge]

Records with Eris for instance im pretty sure have been set with just classic Zeus builds

Don’t overcomplicate a good thing etc

[rare kindle]

there's a reason why supersoaker is a meme build

[spiral badge]

There’s a lot of variety to go for beyond Zeus attack

Honestly I’m not sure if there is a true preferred special for a Zeus build

[plush fog]

I am looking at epic zeus special

[spiral badge]

With Zeus you mostly just care about more Zeus

Yolo it

That is far from a stupid decision

[plush fog]

that or common dash/call

[spiral badge]

Nah special bruh

Bolts on bolts

[plush fog]

aight

[spiral badge]

Nothing goes better with Zeus than more Zeus

Except maybe some Poseidon for flavor

[plush fog]

I'm thinking splash/athena for dash

as usual for me lol

[spiral badge]

Both S tier

Athena probably better in the slot but her Zeus duo is kind of lame???

Whereas Poseidon has a much more interesting tree to proceed from I think

[woeful pasture]

Do you guys prefer fated persuasion or fated authority for specific builds?

[plush fog]

I prefer the one that lets you reroll boons

[spiral badge]

Persuasion is the go to

[rare kindle]

persuasion 100%

god keepsakes and dark foresight do what authority does better

[spiral badge]

I think authority has some niche uses that I’m trying to explore, but persuasion will be much more flexible for you over a run

[rare kindle]

I can see authority working for max health/gold/pom runs

but rather niche otherwise

[spiral badge]

I’ve been trying to explore it from a standpoint of how it can help certain god builds like Zeus and to a lesser extent Artemis whose kit operates a little different from the rest. What I’ve found so far though is the mechanics that govern FA seem terrifyingly complicated, which is never a good thing for usability

[woeful pasture]

I use authority sometimes to reroll the rewards rooms to get nectar

[spiral badge]

Lol

Clutch farming strats itt 👌

[plush fog]

holy wow

[spiral badge]

That’s actually a great use for it I hadn’t thought of. Just straight up farming

[plush fog]

I just got cluster bomb for the first time

[spiral badge]

Good thought tommie

[plush fog]

didn't realize how crazy it is

[woeful pasture]

Yeah haha cuz if you have 3 rerolls you’re guaranteed nectar I believe, at least its always worked

[spiral badge]

It really is very efficient if you’re only after meta resources

[woeful pasture]

True I’m just trying to collect all@the companions still

[spiral badge]

And a room roll only ever costs 1 key so you probably get good utility out of that

[woeful pasture]

Yup price stays at one

[spiral badge]

Actual big brain early game farming strats lol

[serene zealot]

Guess it beats grinding and trading

But I don't mind doing so while learning a weapon and/or aspect

[plush fog]

I feel like waiting to farm after first clear is the move

[spiral badge]

I mean, if you’re in grind mode it’s absolutely more efficient to be able to roll your way into things like keys and nectar

[plush fog]

find a weapon that you are really good with and focus on boons that increase resources

[spiral badge]

Your run is already compromised as far as optimizing it. Just lean further into the farming. It’s brilliant

[serene zealot]

True

I still end up with a decent amount of stuff each run, getting gems from bosses really helps

[spiral badge]

Indeed. The game doesn’t starve you for sure. That’s just a very novel minmax strat that I hadn’t considered before

[serene zealot]

Yeah

[spiral badge]

So @woeful pasture you made one comment I want to correct. Bravo for you for thinking this up, but there are no guarantees when it comes to room rerolls. I’m trying to research how FA truly works behind the curtain right now and the short answer is it’s horribly complex, to the point where it’s easier just to think of it as pure RNG

[woeful pasture]

Ah alright, must’ve just been my luck then that I kept getting the nectar with a max of 3 rerolls. Thanks for the heads up 👍🏼

[spiral badge]

Yeah. There’s all sorts of stuff happening in the background. No idea why they layered this much complexity into it, but I’m not a game designer

[thorny tide]

what's the meta build rn

I don't know anything about builds or where to start

[serene zealot]

Start with a weapon and an aspect

Any you want to use currently?

[spiral badge]

There is no meta neku, not at the levels that you’re asking that question. All weapons in their base forms are viable candidates. Find whichever one speaks to you and enjoy it as your main, while you spend some time learning the other ones 😉

[plush fog]

The shield is pretty beginner friendly

[spiral badge]

True

[plush fog]

If you can, get chaos aspect and put doom on your special

[spiral badge]

Shield is probably the easiest weapon to pick up and play well

Fewer buttons to think about

[serene zealot]

Eh, I found the bow pretty easy to learn

[plush fog]

being able to block with shield is nice tho

[serene zealot]

True

[spiral badge]

Bow is a very safe option too for beginners. I got my very first clear cheesing hades with doom on bow special

[serene zealot]

I'd say anything longer range is beginner friendly

[spiral badge]

Bow does take a little techskill to play well though. Dash attacking is very important to good bow play early on

[serene zealot]

Does help you learn to dash more

[spiral badge]

Bow punishes you hardest of all weapons for trying to dash attack and accidentally regular attacking

Matter of fact, it’s the only one that really does

Indeed, helps you learn the importance of mobility

[keen mesa]

This build I have is utterly ridiculous

https://imgur.com/V6jNvB8.jpg

So there's the first part...

https://imgur.com/9j3FdHI.jpg

[serene zealot]

Dang

[plush fog]

holy special damage

[keen mesa]

I can crit for 1500 on returns rofl

[spiral badge]

How does chaos love some people so much but never me

[serene zealot]

I wonder how fast you'll take Hades down

[turbid needle]

is dash strike good for aspect of arthur

?

[keen mesa]

It's pretty good goons because it's fast, comparatively, to arthur normal attacks

[spiral badge]

Gonna want a liiiitle more context than that

But yes, generally ^^^

[turbid needle]

thanks ignite i just unlocked aspect of arthur and its so damn op

should i get dash strike instead deadly strike

?

[spiral badge]

Which is deadly again?

[turbid needle]

though deadly strike seems to be the more obvious choice

[spiral badge]

Backstab?

Oh no, artemis

[turbid needle]

artemis regular attack

yeah

[spiral badge]

Whichever is rarer first I’d say

That or attack

[turbid needle]

dash strike is epic

and the other is rare

[spiral badge]

Aaaaaand there it is

[turbid needle]

dash strike it is

and i just got another artemis boon straight after

and a chaos gate that further buffs my dash strike

[spiral badge]

nice

[turbid needle]

which is epic

the luck

lmao

[spiral badge]

What boon

[turbid needle]

deadly flourish

[spiral badge]

Ah

[turbid needle]

basically my special

and epic dash strike from chaos

[spiral badge]

If you ever see “marked target” after getting your 1st artemis boon that is priority #1

No matter the rarity

It is another artemis boon

[turbid needle]

yeah i am aware

[spiral badge]

👍🏻

[turbid needle]

artemis boon is crazy good for arthur

thanks

[spiral badge]

Have fun!

[turbid needle]

@spiral badge im guessing if i dont find an artemis attack boon next best bet is aphrodite's one

?

[serene zealot]

Yeah

[turbid needle]

thanks

[lavish trench]

Is parting shot a good boon for hera bow?

[serene zealot]

Yeah

[cloud vault]

Yeah, make sure to backstab tho

[quick osprey]

Anyone have fast Guan Yu strats? - trying to get sub 15 IGT but am bad :\

[proven osprey]

hehe

The fastest Guan Yu is Merciful End. Charged skewer as a first hammer is incredible, so is serrated point but way more risky without more dashes from hermes

Special > dash strike > dash strike. Use Fiery presence so you can one shot brimstones and witches in Tartarus (might not be enough, then high confidence is the answer but risky) with your special even without boon

Be careful of the way your foes spawn, try to line them up with a nice special

Hitting multiple foes at once is key

Dad call also helps a lot for Elysium and Styx

Also, try to clear rooms towards the exit to force the spawns closer to it

Take chaos gates, NPCs, mid shop

About Hermes : greater reflex is more dps, you can also go for the hyper delivery combo (hyper sprint rush delivery) which is incredible damage

And I think I'm done

[quick osprey]

Thanks a ton. ill try some of those, just got under 20 yesterday trying to push a bit faster.

[spiral badge]

Note to self: TD3 and EM4 mix like peanut butter and wasabi

[forest marsh]

Yeah that's a rough combo

[spiral badge]

Almost pulled it off with hestia. Got him to 1/3rd on last phase before TD did me in

[quick osprey]

try adding 1 of the speed thing, enemies come to you faster :]

[spiral badge]

My most avoided pact

[abstract flower]

Should I get the rare crop boon? I'm only on chamber 12.

[spiral badge]

I can tolerate a lot but FO gives me anxiety

[quick osprey]

I feel that

[spiral badge]

What rarity

I almost always yolo rare crop unless there’s something obviously better on display. Never know what it will land on, especially earlier on

[flat garden]

flame wheels with the teleporting benefits package is hard

[abstract flower]

normal

[spiral badge]

Honestly I stand by that answer

[abstract flower]

There is also epic Ravenous Will.

[spiral badge]

Well, that’s what the Obviously Better clause is there for

Nevermind

Epic ravenous will is an S tier boon

It operates like Eris

Global damage increase

[flat garden]

does ravenous will boost all damage?

[spiral badge]

Yes

Global damage increase

As I understand it

[flat garden]

that's pretty cool, i thought it was only the attack special cast etc

just died to a FO2 theseus. dang

how do you build around GY

[spiral badge]

Scroll up a bit

Astatos did a thorough write up just recently

[quick osprey]

Yea I'm excited to try it after this round of work

[flat garden]

ah, thank you.

i also had merciful end in mind. i even got charged skewer as my first room.

FO2 hits hard.

[spiral badge]

Is Dio Rama a meme build or is it too obviously useful to be a meme

[flat garden]

well, not hard. it hits fast.

[spiral badge]

Like, primarily special play Dio Rama

Cause it kind of feels great. Can’t believe I haven’t tried this before

[proven osprey]

that was intended for speedruns tho. I love GY and I think ME it's not the most fun you can have

if you want a general guide I do have some guiding lines in my bag

[spiral badge]

ME in general is a slog to set up

The ultimate hiroll duo

[proven osprey]

yeah it's reset heavy hence frustrating

My favorite build is the classic charged skewer build : Heartbreak strike, Deadly Flourish to get Heart Rend. The other way around is fine too even though a bit less powerful.

Best hammers : Charged skewer (by far), Quick spin, Massive spin, Serrated Point (good damage, risky).

Spin builds : Divine strike, Deadly strike, Frost strike, Heartbreak strike are good

Be careful while spinning without quick spin

[flat garden]

ME is a pain to get

esp without the mirror upgrade that lets you have a higher percentage chance at duo/leg boons

which i did not have at the time

[rare kindle]

I think the spear is really dependent on hammers compared to other weapons

[wide light]

Alright, so I'm running chrion, and I have the +4 special shot hammer. Do I use epic zeus special, or heroic arty special?

I also have the option of lightning rod, which can be very decent.

[limber cloak]

Heroic arty for sure @wide light

[spiral badge]

^^^^^

[limber cloak]

Crits on chiron are insane

[wide light]

Got it

[spiral badge]

I don’t think there’s better Chiron boon in existence than heroic Artemis special

[coral cave]

and besides zeus special on chiron doesnt really work

[wide light]

???

[coral cave]

theres an internal cooldown so not every hit will have a lightning bolt

[wide light]

I find it works wonderfully.

Oh

[limber cloak]

Oh yeah, that too

[spiral badge]

It doesn’t work 100%

But it’s still very effective

[limber cloak]

Haelian mentioned that once

Each of your shots wont proc lightning

but chiron + arty is just very good

[wide light]

Now, I have another option. This run is likely my fastest pace ever, despite also being my highest heat. Do I fight charon, which I know I'll win, or just keep plowing through?

[limber cloak]

If you're going for your pb, dont fight em

[wide light]

I mean, I didn't intend to speedrun this

I was just like "Hey, let's see if I can grab that 16 heat staue"

[spiral badge]

If you want to clock a pb, Charon isn’t it

Your choice

[wide light]

And now I'm at mid shop in elysium at 9 minutes, with pb being over 20.

[spiral badge]

And so your first instinct is to play Russian roulette with the situation?

[coral cave]

just keep going

fighting charon will take quite a bit of time

[sand tusk]

The feeling when you build around getting a Duo, but the Duo never shows lol

[wide light]

Frick. I put on extreme measures 4.

[sand tusk]

Have fun!

[wide light]

How screwed can on be, exactly?

I think I'm there.

[dry ember]

Have fun!

[wide light]

Yup. Cerberus -> lasers true combo. Too OP, pls nerf.

[abstract flower]

I think i'm relying too much on divine dash

[turbid needle]

no such thing

[sand tusk]

@abstract flower HERESY!

[turbid needle]

i wish Athena could give me divine dash multiple times

[sand tusk]

I wish Athena only gave Divine Dash

[limber cloak]

if you use divine dash you suck at the game, dont @ me

:)

[turbid needle]

wrong

[nocturne pivot]

I use divine dash to proc that one dou boon with ares so ha

[slim lynx]

play lame win game

[robust anchor]

its a single player game just have fun

[tawdry marsh]

Can someone explain what the cast with aspect of beouwolf (I prolly misspelled that) does? Is it just a damage increase?

[flat garden]

it loads the cast into your bull rush

and releases it at the end

[tawdry marsh]

What’s the point of that?

[coarse moss]

most casts turn into big exploding blast around zag. doesnt lodge so you can always get your bloodstone to spam

love beowulf with poseidon cast and all the boons that upgrade knockback

pair it with artemis attack for the duo and extra oomph in your bullrush

[slim lynx]

mirage shot is great

[coarse moss]

also good to try for artemis legendary

[slim lynx]

best cast for achilles?

[coarse moss]

hunting blades i guess

[robust anchor]

its common to take zeus cast (which is what i recommend!)

but people have also been doing dem cast !

[full snow]

Which rail aspect do people generally like? I have them all unlocked but I never get the sense that one is much better than the others.

[flat garden]

eris is fun to zoom around with

[full snow]

I'm currently using the 5 bomb spread so I have more places where I can pick up the Eris buff.

[stiff wigeon]

The final one really grew on me.

[robust anchor]

eris is the most popular by a big margin

[flat garden]

i like lucifer with zeus or poseidon on attack

my favourite one is definitely that

[full snow]

I also like the hidden aspect a lot, but it feels underpowered even if you land hellfire bomb after hellfire bombs.

[flat garden]

i've heard good things about eris but i have not yet played as much with it

[full snow]

Like just pounding on skelly I couldn't get it to feel better than hitting with the eris buff. Which is a shame, because you have to do more work for the hellfire bombs so you'd think they would hit harder.

[stiff wigeon]

Oh, the hidden one can really shine when you get the right stuff. Rapid fire special plus larger area from hammers make hellfire really good. Especially with Athena's special

Zeus attack with infinite charge hammer wrecks mobs

[rose quartz]

are there redeeming qualities to guan yu aspect? i feel like the health negations just don’t justify the small healing and bump to base damage

[flat garden]

merciful end is powerful on guan yu

if you can get it, that is

[stiff wigeon]

I've heard people say the spin attack can be great. I haven't had much luck. If you get special speed increase and a strong special buff, it can be good

[rose quartz]

i managed to get aphro/ares and aphro/dio duo’s with the hammer spin speed buff, and still had major issues getting taking on hades

maybe it’s just cuz i was too comfortable with a larger health pool and faster damage output, but rooms felt a lot more awkward to clear as well with the slow attack speed

[stiff wigeon]

Yeah, I struggled with the slow speed. Spamming special was more my pace, haha

[rose quartz]

and i’ve already invested 12 blood into it, so now i’m stuck with it

[full snow]

I like the mobility of achilles too much to have invested much in guan yu yet. I got to the surface on a low heat but then haven't touched it since.

[stiff wigeon]

I need to try out Achilles again. Seems like a lot of people like that one a lot

[rose quartz]

i’ve only used spear twice, once with achilles and the other guan yu but no luck on either as i’m not much a fan of the playstyle

[full snow]

It's all the fun of the shield bull rush but faster and with more damage. :D

[rose quartz]

i might try to clear with achilles instead, it does offer a considerable buff to 4 attacks after special

[stiff wigeon]

I like Zag's spear, Very fast special. Get the 7-hit hammer, and you can destroy things very fast

Got my 16 heat clear with that