h1-builds-and-combat

[proven osprey]

charged skewer

there we go

[worthy crane]

omg i love aspect of Arthur 🙏 so far it’s the only hidden aspect I can actually beat hades with lol I’ve reached the surface with guan yu and browulf and got killed

[proven osprey]

GY is a bit tough but a special build is really good against bosses

Try charged skewer

[arctic leaf]

I’ve tried GY but haven’t had much luck. I have the bow visible but haven’t put down the blood yet.

Chiron aspect is just so solid for me. Cleared heat 2 abusing dio special. Doom on main.

I realize heat two isn’t that far into the game, but still. I haven’t gotten a clear yet with shield or rail.

[spiral badge]

Chiron will never let you down

What rail aspects have you tried on?

[woven crater]

Guan yu has been really punishing in my runs but charged skewer heart rend still feels so good, my runs are just reliant on it actually happening

[worthy crane]

i personally rlly like achilles and heras aspects 🥰

[lucid moth]

so i may or may not be trying to beat the game with my cast only, what builds would you guys recommend also stygian or infernal soul for this?

[rare kindle]

Stygian or infernal depends on the cast

Also the weapon too if it’s a cast based weapon

[lucid moth]

like what

cuz im tryna use cast only

[half crater]

if it's literally cast only, use poseidon aspect

all the other cast aspects require you to use other stuff a bit for them to work (beo and hera need attack, achilles and talos need special)

the big cast builds are basically full wine (trippy shot with ice wine and scint feast) hunting blades, blizzard shot (ideally with mirage shot) and true shot (going for fully loaded and/or mirage shot)

i can see any of them working

[spiral badge]

How does one aim and make blizzard shot work

It seems doodoo to me, respectfully

Especially stacked against the ice wine scint feast wombo combo

[lucid moth]

wait but i need to use special for that...

[half crater]

you get the +50% damage for free at least tho

that’s about as much as you’re gonna get from an aspect if you’re avoiding attack/special entirely

[lucid moth]

so do u need to hit with ur special to dislodge the cast or not?

[half crater]

you do

[lucid moth]

crap

[half crater]

you obviously wouldn’t get that benefit

but it’s free cast damage

[lucid moth]

im doing cast only thats it

[barren otter]

if casts don't lodge (Ares, Dionysis, Demeter), you don't need to special.

[lucid moth]

oh ok

so to add on i may or may not have poseidon aspect unlocked...

i dont have it :(

wasted all my titan blood on other aspects

[half crater]

ah

[flat garden]

hunting blades is fun if you dont have poseidon sword

[half crater]

well in that case aspect is basically irrelevant ig

[plush fog]

hunting blades works with legit any weapon at ||low heat||

[lucid moth]

my question is what builds should i use?

[lucid moth]

yep

[plush fog]

I really enjoy playing Chrion bow with dio on special and aphro on attack

and if you can pick up curse of vengeance from Ares, there is a nice duo with him and dio as well

[fading garden]

Just keep upgrading flood shot. The duo does some work!

[fading garden]

So the reason why people are mentioning it is because Poseidon has a global cast damage increase that requires you to simply exist.

All other aspects will force you to use some of the other movesets in order to get their bonuses

So Poseidon is the only useful aspect that will actually accomplish what you are trying to do

[willow haven]

any good beowulf builds out there?

i can't seem to get the hang of attacking with it

[limber cloak]

@willow haven trippy shot+ice wine/scintillating feast rocks

[willow haven]

aye i thought i'd have to go cast/special build, thanks, will check it out

[limber cloak]

Id recommend demeter attack rather than special

[steel wadi]

What Artifact would you use vs Hades?

[limber cloak]

Beo special is meh

[willow haven]

initially tried special build but didn't have much success

yeah

[limber cloak]

Keepsake, you mean?

[steel wadi]

Yea

[limber cloak]

if you're struggling with the fight, try evergreen acorn or lucky tooth

[willow haven]

honestly anything works but if you're new, lucky tooth is the go-to keepsake

[limber cloak]

Evergreeen acorn is from eurydice in asphodel, and tooth is from skelly

[willow haven]

the hp collar works as well

[steel wadi]

Cool thx
Been using Acorn the 3 first fights
Just can't get through the second fight against Hades

I'll try tooth

[limber cloak]

Also if you havent beaten the game once yet, id suggest asking questions and stuff in #h1-discussion, since that channel doesn't contain spoilers

[steel wadi]

Ok thx for the warning

[willow haven]

yeah I didn't really have success with acorn

[arctic leaf]

I go acorn. I feel like his damage levels make five hits worth more than a DD.

[limber cloak]

A good suggestion that helped me was to keep your distance and have patience. Dont get greedy, and use the pillars when he laser attacks

you can hide behind the pillars

and the laser wont hit you

[willow haven]

agreed ^ just make sure you take note of his moves

[arctic leaf]

Pillars are a must.

[limber cloak]

also, dodge his spin attack as soon as he starts it

[willow haven]

you might struggle with the pots if they're behind pillars so make sure you take them out first

[arctic leaf]

The last 25% gets super hectic.

[limber cloak]

That stuff hits hard

[willow haven]

yeah the pots are pretty bonkers and i fail to hit them somehow

run athena dash and you should be good

her ult works as well

but i prefer charm so you can cancel hades lasers

[limber cloak]

sure footing from athena works wonders too

[steel wadi]

Is it a good idea to exchange an Epic attack boon for Heroic? I got Epic Zeus attack and i'm offered Heroic Aphrodite attack.. 22 lightning dmg vs 152% atk dmg sounds like a nobrainer to me

Im using sword btw

[willow haven]

if you're fine with what you have then keep using it, if you feel like you need to spice things up then go for the heroic

[daring mango]

if it doesn't mess up your build/its still pretty early

I'd say its worth it

[steel wadi]

Do Charon upgrades work in the Hades Encounter?

Sorry for all the questions xD

Will fight Hades now

[plush fog]

yes they do

good luck!

[flat garden]

whats a good special with ||guan yu||?

[plush fog]

||Guan Yu|| is a spoiler in this channel afaik

also aphro or artemis is good. Really anything that increases damage percent

[flat garden]

i see, thanks.

[limber cloak]

it is not a spoiler in this channel, check the channel description

[plush fog]

No problem! People typically refer to it as hidden spear so that's why I thought

I get the rules confused between this and new players mb

[limber cloak]

guan yu special on its own/even with a good boon is kinda meh imo, charged skewer makes it insane tho

or even the the hammer where it bounces to other foes

[steel wadi]

Ffs finally beat that guy
Jesus christ this game

Well worth it

[limber cloak]

pog

now do it again and again and again and again and again

because youll never get bored of this game!

[steel wadi]

Yea apparently xD

[split echo]

Zeus boons confuse me

[rare kindle]

whats not to get?

You attack, some lightning aoe shows up

[split echo]

There’s a lightning chain

And a thunder bolt

Do they share the same buffs?

For example do they both get buffed by static discharge?

And double strike?

[rare kindle]

pretty sure jolted affects both of them, but that there's some t2 boons that they don't share

like i know there's a chain lightning specific one

[split echo]

Thank you

Once I changed the language to English it all makes sense

[tame bison]

The boons are pretty literal. It says when your lightning boons do X, this happens. So literally anytime a lightning bolt hits

Also, I have never played Chaos Shield. Does Zeus special proc a lightning bolt on all 5 shields or just 1?

[empty heron]

It's all of them, but the other shields are destroyed on impact.

[tame bison]

What do you mean?

[strong hinge]

assuming they mean the shields don't bounce around foes like regular special, but I wouldn't know since I too have never played chaos shield

[tame bison]

But if I hit 5 targets I do proc 5 bolts?

[limber cloak]

yes

[daring mango]

I think the only messy descriptions are when it comes to attack and dash-strike

some attack boons doesn't affect dash-strike iirc

[tame bison]

Yes that’s true

I was mentally thinking of that stuff as mechanics so forgot about it

[brave mantle]

What's a good spear build? I have completed runs with every weapon except spear and I'm having so much trouble with it lol

[daring mango]

spear is pretty hammer heavy

but I like curse build spear with serrated jaw

but I would say go with Achilles spear

and do a cast build

[tame bison]

I only know how to play Guan Yu well lol

[daring mango]

use Achilles buff and trippy shot

really big damage

[tame bison]

Oh yeah that’s a good one

[brave mantle]

Is it worth trying to play guan yu if i only have it lvl 1

w/ the huge health debuff

or should i try and get it to 5 first

[daring mango]

if its like heat 1-9 its pretty ok

[brave mantle]

ok cool ill give it a shot then

[daring mango]

guan yu focuses more on special so you could just stay in a distance to avoid damage

you could do a spin build to meme but.... that's for memeing

[fading gull]

personally i agree with this, ive been having a lot of fun with the new versality of being able to dash to the spear

im having a pretty successful arte/aphro run with archilles spear right now

[tame bison]

Achilles trippy shot with scintillating feast is just an auto win more or less. I forgot about that one lol

Or ice win.

[daring mango]

also tried out the athena and zeus duo boon with achilles and it was pretty fun

useless against bosses though but still fun

[flat garden]

achilles spear is fun but i cant use it properly

[tame bison]

Lol curse of drowning Poseidon sword

I guess I take it and sell it for gold?

[coarse moss]

havent really tried that but isn't its damage better than exit wounds?

after all, poseidon +50% cast damage affects it

[tame bison]

Oh true

It def destroyed Alecto

Yeah kinda got it by accident with flood shot into blade dash

[coarse moss]

sounds like a great build

[tame bison]

I died stupidly in asphodel unfortunately

Now I want to try it again tho lol

[coarse moss]

oh darn lol

[tame bison]

I get baited by epic chaos curses that do -4 health on attack

And then have to beat HL5 witch miniboss with just casts and special didn’t go well lol

[coarse moss]

it'd be great on achilles too

[limber cloak]

LMAOO i just did the same

barely made it through asphodel and lost a dd too

[tame bison]

Lol

[bold yoke]

anyone have recs for zag aspect malphon?

[gray elk]

what is this nonsense channel ._.

"builds" in game where everything is based on rng. lol?

[empty heron]

There are many, many ways to manipulate your luck. And you still have to make decisions between gods, or between boons.

[lost glen]

Uh oh cant wait to learn how to manipulate my luck

[fair cairn]

keepsake, fated persuasion and general boon interaction

still RNG but once you understand those you can more or less get most things you want

hence a "build"

[flat garden]

what goes well with eris

[hoary slate]

Lightning Strike

[flat garden]

hey i got cluster bomb on my first room

does it stack up the attack bonus with the 5 bombs?

[hoary slate]

you only get one bonus and i think you can't reapply it before it runs out

[flat garden]

ah thats disappointing

[hoary slate]

Eris is more than capable of getting enough damage to trivialize things anyways

[quaint rivet]

It’s easier to stand under 5 bombs

[empty heron]

Also you can spread the bombs out and hit enemies with it while standing in a different bombs AoE without putting yourself in danger at all.

[hoary slate]

Noone doubted the power of Cluster Bomb

[willow haven]

tysm @limber cloak, the festive fog build for beowulf was super fun

[slim lynx]

cluster bomb 😩 👌

[limber cloak]

yw! @willow haven

[mellow geyser]

what us the highest level of god's pride?

[spiral badge]

I forget which exactly you’re talking about, but you can get a max of +20% rare chance, +20% epic chance, and +10% duo/legendary chance using mirror upgrades

Though you have to choose between the last two

[coral cave]

40%

[mellow geyser]

That's a lot of darkness

I'm at 3%

[coral cave]

oh wait no

thats the wrong one

its 20%

[spiral badge]

Yeah it was one of those lol

All the “gods” labels get confusing

[mellow geyser]

The secret aspect of the spear looks sick af
I can't wait to test it next run

[arctic leaf]

It hits hard, but that 75% reduction hurts.

[wanton crest]

50% at lv. 5 👌

[slim lynx]

(achilles) spear connoisseurs teach me your ways

how do i use the spear effectively lol

[half crater]

yeet spear, yeet cast, repeat

not the most advanced strat but it got me to 32 lol

[eternal wasp]

got cluster bomb rocket bomb

on my eris darkness farming run

of course its on the throwaway run

[slim lynx]

throwaway runs are for cowards

i say as i proceed to give up for the 7th time after not getting ricochet shot on my hestia run from a hammer in asphodel

[daring mango]

the key is to realize that achilles give 150% to cast also

[slim lynx]

god tier list (totally objective)

SSSSSSSSS - Artemis
S - Aphrodite
A -
B - Poseidon
C -
D -
F - everyone else

[mental blaze]

everyone is in the same tier. god tier

sometimes i think abt that post where someone thought homestuck invented the term "god tier"

[coral cave]

TRUEEEEEEEEE

[sly sonnet]

Sx999 Tier -> Athena dash

[lunar flare]

Athena special, though. Athena special with ||Arthur|| aspect

Spam special and go make a sandwich

[mental blaze]

athena special with non-chiron bow is fun when there's a lot of projectiles around

[slim lynx]

witches circle is a joke if you have divine flourish on bow

[mental blaze]

exactly

and that attack the furies do

[limber cloak]

lucifer builds?

i was thinking zeus on attack

[vale imp]

Poseidon on Attack, get Sea Storm

Triple Bomb Hammer, Artemis Special

Honestly, Triple Bomb makes most of the Special boons great on Lucifer

[limber cloak]

hmm, i already started a dio attack build with it

But i am planning to do a super soaker run with it too, later

[slim lynx]

is dio attack on lucifer just a wine cannon

[limber cloak]

yep

[coarse moss]

sounds yum lol. anyway, i prefer to focus damage on lucifer special with triple bomb. the attack works nice with dio, or demeter. since i prefer not to stand around too long shooting, just tag them with status effect and focus on specialing

[limber cloak]

Lucifer special is wonky

Idk

I dont like the lob mechanic

even on kmb i cant really aim it properly

My current build is working pretty well though, with triple beam and dio attack

[slim lynx]

idk about you but i wouldn't appreciate coming up to me with a railgun that has a face on it, and out of its eyes it fires wine with extreme, deadly pressure that just gets worse

[coarse moss]

haha yeah

[coarse moss]

i had the same impression. if you wanna see what it can really do, check out this. i put the timestamp at theseus boss fight(high heat) https://youtu.be/i8b77EQuVtg?t=1522

[limber cloak]

ill give it a watch, thanks

[tame bison]

Is there a “best” cast for Poseidon aspect?

[limber cloak]

any cast that sticks into foes is optimal, crush shot can be good since youre usually close range to enemies anyway with the sword

[slim lynx]

exit wounds because obviously you would want exit wounds on poseidon

[oak raptor]

not getting it feels so bad

[willow haven]

@limber cloak any fun spear builds? 😄

[limber cloak]

achilles spear can be insane for cast builds

if you want to play this game on easy mode, you can go ares cast + hunting blades (duo from arty and ares)

and then just watch enemies melt as you run around the room with your special

hades spear can be fun too, if you get some good hammers like quick spin and even massive spin

flurry jab can be very good with the spear too

[willow haven]

i loved the punishing sweep, got lucky with the hammer and got fast charge + bigger sweep

[limber cloak]

yeah that can be insane

can clear most rooms in under like 4 seconds

[willow haven]

yes lol

it covers like almost the entire screen

[limber cloak]

yep

[willow haven]

the ares cast sounds super fun, i'll give it a shot, thanks!

[turbid needle]

SSSSSSSSS - Artemis
SSS - Charon
S - Aphrodite
A -Athena
B - Poseidon, Hermes
C -
D -
F - everyone else

[limber cloak]

aphro in s? why

her status effect is meh

and her tier two boons are meh

the only good thing aphro does is that she has the highest flat percentage damage

i agree with most of the others though

[daring mango]

highest percents

[limber cloak]

the only good thing aphro does is that she has the highest flat percentage damage

[daring mango]

I guess sweet surrender?

[limber cloak]

id much rather go athena at s rather than aphro

[opal lodge]

weak is amazing what

also its not just the high base damage

her boons for the most part scale extremely well with poms

and she has access to the some of the best duos in the game

[limber cloak]

weak isnt good unless youre going for a tank build imo

[daring mango]

oh yea 30 percent less damge is nice

and also heart rend

just skimmed the wiki lol

[gusty rapids]

yeah she’s got some gamer duos

smoldering as well

[spark meteor]

smoldering + aphro aid

chef's kiss

[opal lodge]

heart rend, smoldering air, the works

[gusty rapids]

parting shot is also p pog on some builds

[limber cloak]

her duos are decent but i despise her tier two boons honestly

[gusty rapids]

I find weak to be pretty universally useful

her T2’s are mediocre yeah but she has a lot of other good stuff

[limber cloak]

id still put athena over aphro any day of the weak

[opal lodge]

dying lament is pretty good but yeah other than that im not a huge fan of T2s

[gusty rapids]

oh yeah dying lament slaps

[opal lodge]

the nice thing is that a lot of aphro's value is front loaded

you yet the value from aphro straight out the box

[gusty rapids]

aphro Pom scaling is extremely chefs kiss

[limber cloak]

athena's deflects are obviously very good, and her t2's can get you those sweet 4 digit damage numbers

athena also has dd restorations

[gusty rapids]

athenas nice for pure safety but doesn’t really increase ur dmg output that much

not like aphro

[daring mango]

I like having thicc health helps with me be less anxious lol so actually like life affirmation early game

[limber cloak]

it does!

you can deflect stuff right into the enemies' faces

you can get exposed

and increase your damage output to insane values depending on the build youre using

[daring mango]

oh wait yea athena is S imo

[opal lodge]

how you gonna talk about useless status and then bring up exposed

like i like athena

[limber cloak]

exposed isnt useless????

what

[daring mango]

that dash is just really good lol

[opal lodge]

but only for high heat

[limber cloak]

not even talking about the crutch here

[gusty rapids]

I literally only like exposed when I’m using parting shot LOL

[limber cloak]

have you ever used exposed on something like fists

[opal lodge]

shes one of the worst gods to see in a speedrun unless youre running ME fists

[limber cloak]

im not talking about speedrunning here

im talking about general good overall boons

[opal lodge]

well what's your metric

[limber cloak]

athena's duos are decent too

[daring mango]

well that depends on your playstyle mostly

[opal lodge]

you have to have some sort of metric youre basing "good" on

[limber cloak]

true that

[tame bison]

Good general overall boons...so, not exposed? 😛

[gusty rapids]

lol

[opal lodge]

is it for high heat? clear rate? clear speed?

or just how they make you feel inside?

[limber cloak]

i usually like boons that make me deal more damage

doesnt matter if its DoT or AoE

[gusty rapids]

then Athena should honestly be one of the last gods you like

[limber cloak]

why is that though

[daring mango]

yea if just overall good its too vague to objectively say

[opal lodge]

^

[gusty rapids]

gods like

artemis

[limber cloak]

im arguing that athena should be over aphro

[gusty rapids]

are the ones that scale your damage

[willow haven]

true

[limber cloak]

not that athena is the best god in the game

[opal lodge]

athena only gives you damage through merciful end lol

[gusty rapids]

aphro increases your damage a lot and Athena...doesn’t

[limber cloak]

this was, and still is, my main point

[daring mango]

Id say athena and aphro are the same personally

personally

[opal lodge]

other than that, phalanx shot has decent base damage and then...?

[gusty rapids]

it literally just depends what your goal is

[limber cloak]

thing is, aphro doesnt deflect

[willow haven]

truers

[opal lodge]

divine dash is one of the worst damaging dashes

[gusty rapids]

deflect doesn’t really do enough damage to be worth considering

over like a 100+% increase in damage by aphro

[willow haven]

its not about the damage with divine dash

[zealous lance]

aye

[willow haven]

it's about deflect/expose

[daring mango]

most of the time you just dodge anyways

[zealous lance]

build for demeter aspect?

[limber cloak]

that is true, but athena tier twos are very good

[opal lodge]

then what is this about

because we still havent defined the judging criteria

[limber cloak]

aphro should be placed beneath athena

[opal lodge]

you say its not for speed, heat, etc

[willow haven]

let's just put them in the same tier

[limber cloak]

judging criteria is how much damage overall boons can give me

[opal lodge]

just general "goodness"

[zealous lance]

best build for demeter aspect?

[daring mango]

thats just personal tier list tbh

[opal lodge]

hmm

[limber cloak]

merciful end lmao

[limber cloak]

yeah i mean it is, i just asked the person why theyd place aphro over athena

and then this started

[zealous lance]

what makes merciful fist better than other melees

[willow haven]

maybe because she's hot

mm

[gusty rapids]

ME is probably the best build for Demeter if u can get it lol

[limber cloak]

now this is a good point

[gusty rapids]

the raw damage ME gets is absolutely bonkers

[slim lynx]

how exactly does demeter play into that though

[zealous lance]

yea

[slim lynx]

like how does the extra-powerful special contribute to me fists

[limber cloak]

theyre asking about demeter aspect

not demeter boons lol

[gusty rapids]

you’re constantly attacking and dashing (with Athena dash) through enemies to proc ME, so you can tons of doom procs in a short amount of time

[zealous lance]

but you don't need that high AS to proc ME

so its teh same on all melee weapons

[limber cloak]

also a thing that can be confusing, athena dash doesnt enable ME, but it does trigger ME once you have the duo in

[zealous lance]

doesn't stand out on fists

[gusty rapids]

it’s better on faster weapons

fists is probably the best user of ME

[slim lynx]

but then how does demeter help with that, i mean are you gonna use the special or???

[zealous lance]

that too

[limber cloak]

special athena

attack doom

[slim lynx]

oh right

[gusty rapids]

I mean yes the special is big damage so use it when it gets charged

[limber cloak]

dire misfortune

stack doom

[slim lynx]

you need divine flourish lmao

[limber cloak]

special

[gusty rapids]

it’s not unique enough that you can build around it specifically though

[slim lynx]

hadouken

[daring mango]

wait its demeter aspect?

[gusty rapids]

you just slap Athena special on there and roll

[limber cloak]

yes

[zealous lance]

aight goin in

[daring mango]

lmao I thought ME fist was talos lol

[opal lodge]

you take the special purely as a means to get ME

[daring mango]

just a hunch

[willow haven]

demeter aspect feels so good to play

brrrr

[daring mango]

I like demeter aspect with that hammer that makes you charge projectiles

been experimenting with it with curses and zeus

[slim lynx]

i should actually try that artemis hadouken build i saw haelian do

being able to just let one rip and deal about as much damage as arty's aid seems fun

[zealous lance]

ares kinda tough

rarity matters a lot

so if I have ME

does ares aphro duoboon hurt the dps

or does it still increase it

[opal lodge]

nah but it also doesnt do anything

[daring mango]

most least tier 1 boons I use are ares and poseidon

[zealous lance]

aight ty

pray for ambrosia

[daring mango]

can curse of drowning actually work?

[slim lynx]

i mean

it's not very good

if that matters

[daring mango]

yea I guess with achilles spear it can kind of work?

I just want to see a run where they used curse of drowning lol

[opal lodge]

but yeah my main point was that if you look at top end play athena is never taken for damage outside of proud bearing/ME

which is fine

she provides safety

which is good for high heat

just not for damage

[slim lynx]

or athena's legendary even good? from what i understand it's basically spearpoint but with a 20 second cooldown and no invulnerability

[opal lodge]

it stops the first instance of damage

so more like acorn than spearpoint

holy shield is like spearpoint

[gusty rapids]

i kinda like it tbh but it’s more a “if it happens to appear I’ll take it” kinda thing

[opal lodge]

i actively do not want to see athena when going fast lol

until ME fists

then i never see her again

😦

[slim lynx]

me fists BUT

heroic greatest reflex

[coarse moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJWG0a3WZ38

[opal lodge]

still need to math whether epic reflex or epic RD is more damage

[slim lynx]

haelian always makes the worst builds seem op and fun

then you try to do it yourself and you just happen to never get any of the required things for that build

[daring mango]

omg thanksss

[glass arrow]

I know there’s the crit build but what’s a good build for Chiron bow it’s one of the few ones I can’t clear the game with still

[opal lodge]

crit build or low tolerance dio special is the way to go

[slim lynx]

aphro build on special is amazing

if you have doom on attack and priv status it's bonkers

[glass arrow]

Hmm I never thought about that. I’ve done aphro because of the raw dmg from it but I’ve never tried ares I didn’t think doom was really good

[misty yoke]

hello. i am new to the game. i am struggling with picking the right boons for my weapon. i am not looking for a build, rather a what boon to choose guide

i managed to get to the second boss, the bone looking one but i think it was not very efficient

[slim lynx]

doom is mainly gonna serve for triggering p.status anyways, so you should go for curse of longing if possible to make it last longer

[daring mango]

zeus and dionysus are generally good for fast moving weapons/attacks

[slim lynx]

artemis works great on any weapon really

[daring mango]

mostly just learn attack patterns and with second boss just really move a lot

[opal lodge]

artemis or aphro are the way to go for any weapons with one strong attack

[slim lynx]

it works very well on fast weapons and also works very well on slow, hard-hitting weapons

[opal lodge]

like the rail special

or spear thrusts

[daring mango]

with time you'll get familiarize with the boons and know what to take

and hammers are game changing

things like dash strike hit twice, attack hit twice, special hit twice, etc.

those are really good hammers

[misty yoke]

thank you. yes, i think i will figure out the fight pretty soon. what things should i unlock at the mirror first ? what is good at the beginning ?

[slim lynx]

some hammers literally change your playstyle

[daring mango]

3 death defiance

but idk really I just upgraded it from top to bottom

[misty yoke]

ok. i will save my points for death defiance thx

[misty yoke]

that is also an option 😄

[daring mango]

but if you can afford death defiance its really worth it

its more survivability

[slim lynx]

greatest reflex is also very good

[daring mango]

oh yea that too a second dash is really useful

[slim lynx]

you can also get more dashes from hermes

lol

[daring mango]

yea but just having another dash is really useful feels so weird to just dash once

[zealous lance]

I replaced athena special with artemis after getting ME

that's 1 way to do it ig

[opal lodge]

yup that always feels nice

[daring mango]

like first week of playing hades was really annoying that one dash isnt enough to avoid Meg's AOE circle attack

[opal lodge]

though if you have artemis in the pool

you couldve kept the special

taken arty cast

and gone for deadly reversal as well

to make your doom hits crit

[slim lynx]

although personally maybe greatest reflex isn't very useful because i always forget i can actually dash more than two times now

[vocal sierra]

Is it just me or is the aspect of nemesis so insane

[daring mango]

it is the best sword aspect

[opal lodge]

nem is quite good

[gusty rapids]

yeah nem goes hard

[zealous lance]

also don't take the -1 +2 hammer

it screws things up

🙂

[slim lynx]

(almost) never worth it

[coarse moss]

is worth it when you have a bad hammer 😆

[tame bison]

You would need to have 2 bad hammers

Imo

Too risky if you have 1 bad and 1 good

Bc usually your build is constructed around the 1 good hammer

[opal lodge]

yeah for high heat nemesis you reset for dedge and then dodge the second hammer like the plague

[bronze sorrel]

I mean, it depends on how good your hammers are and how bad your bad hammer is

[glass arrow]

What is the highest dmg call in the game?

[opal lodge]

zeus usually

[bronze sorrel]

Like if you already have double edge and your other hammer is cruel thrust or even hoarding slash, I'd just leaving well enough alone rather than making a huge wager in hopes of getting breaching slash.

But if your "good" hammer was say Super Nova and you also got Cursed Slash somehow, I'd risk it every time.

[opal lodge]

or dio

nah the sword anvil is almost always a trap

dont do it lol

[bronze sorrel]

If you already got cursed slash it can only get better

[opal lodge]

if you already got cursed slash you usually end your run on AP2 high heat

[bronze sorrel]

I mean, if you got it late in Elysium and survived chsmpions, could be salvageable.

Also for players who are starting out that didn't know it was a trap or needed it for fated list.

Also though, I might risk it on some weapons like say Bow, where there's no super terrible hammers if I had two hammers that weren't super optimal. Say you ended up with flurry shot and triple shot on Chiron. You have a solid chance of improving special and worst case you have 3 attack hammers instead of two.

[opal lodge]

bow you can get chain or explosive

not worth

shield it could be worth

im not saying dont do it

im just saying in my experience with high heat sword hammers are suffering

[gusty rapids]

^

[opal lodge]

and anvil is more suffering

[gusty rapids]

sword hammers make me cry

[bronze sorrel]

Ya sword hammers are definitely the worst of the lot. There's some clear winners and losers there.

[proven osprey]

S P E A R

[opal lodge]

oh yeah

where one hammer exists

[bronze sorrel]

Frankly I'd take chain/explosive shot over even some middle bad swords like Cruel Thrust or World Splitter any day

[opal lodge]

and everything else is awful

[bronze sorrel]

There's more than one good spear hammer.

[woven crater]

I did anvil away from a cursed slash once, but taking the cursed slash was questionable in attempting the cursed flurry heal gimmick build

[opal lodge]

theres more than one good one

theres only one great one

[serene zealot]

Aphrodite's greater call does 2,500 damage in one hit, otherwise Zeus probably has the highest per one basic use.

[opal lodge]

flurry jab just eclipses every other spear hammer

[glass arrow]

So would it be better to save and use zuees at full bars or just when it hits one over and over

[opal lodge]

lesser calls are better with zeus

[serene zealot]

^

Same for Demeter

[opal lodge]

lesser calls are better for all non artemis, non aphro calls

[bronze sorrel]

Charged Skewer and Serrated Point?

[opal lodge]

charged skewer is a GY thing

[woven crater]

I probably strongly undervalue flurry jab then

[opal lodge]

serrated is basically a budget flurry jab

[serene zealot]

pretty much, though charged Athena call is still very useful

[opal lodge]

the current speedrun meta for achilles is to reset for flurry jab in tartarus, it's that good of a hammer

[woven crater]

Oh wow ok

Noted

[bronze sorrel]

Charged skewer is good on Zag Spear too.

[opal lodge]

playing into the special on zag spear is a trap when flurry jab is available

[woven crater]

I assumed hades spear is made strictly worse just by flurry jab negating the one thing it does

[glass arrow]

can you apply multiple stacks of doom or do you have to wait for them to go off

[woven crater]

And thus the entire aspect is worse

[gusty rapids]

you cant get flurry jab w hades spear

[bronze sorrel]

If I wanted to play flurry jab I'd play on Achilles or Hades where its objectively better

[gusty rapids]

but if you could i would take it 10/10 times

flurry is just that good of a hammer

[bronze sorrel]

Oh flurry not on hades?

[opal lodge]

you cant get flurry on hades or GY

since they want you to spin

[gusty rapids]

^

[opal lodge]

and flurry disables spin

[woven crater]

Yeah makes sense

[opal lodge]

well

[bronze sorrel]

Ohhhh, thsts right

[opal lodge]

so zag spear gives you bonus special stuff

but let's talk about that for a sec

[desert cypress]

Flurry jab is spicy

[bronze sorrel]

Forgot you couldn't spin with it XD

[opal lodge]

spear special is insanely awkward

and is usually less damage than just stabbing

[desert cypress]

But I like it because I never spin anyways

[glass arrow]

dire misfortune or impending doom?

[opal lodge]

which is why flurry jab is still the meta for zag spear

[opal lodge]

depends on weap

and where your doom is

[glass arrow]

chiron bow but i have the rapid fire autos from hammer

and doom is on autos

[woven crater]

Depends on how quickly you’re stacking it, basically

[opal lodge]

the current zag spear wr is with flurry jab

the former WR is also with flurry jab

this is not a coincidence

[bronze sorrel]

I mean, I'd take flurry if it came up but I plan my build around special on Zag spear. Flurry isn't guaranteed

[woven crater]

If you already hit multiple times before doom goes off dire misfortune may be better. Ideally you’d want both, of course, but the bigger initial difference is the important thing. If you hit once and switch targets or move away, impending doom is better

[desert cypress]

Which one is dire misfortune?

[glass arrow]

it deals more dmg when applied multiple times

[desert cypress]

Oh yes

[glass arrow]

do you have to have that to apply it multiple times?

[slim lynx]

i feel like dire misfortune isn't very good unless you're basically hitting the enemy with extremely rapid bursts of multiple hits

[woven crater]

I think it’s like 10/12/14 per additional stack or something close to those numbers

[bronze sorrel]

I don't feel spear is in nearly as bad a place as Sword for hammers. There's nothing bad on the level of Cursed Slash and hammer quality is overall better.

[glass arrow]

like if i auto someone twice before it goes off does it apply doom twice

[woven crater]

It applies doom once and then adds 12 damage more when it goes off

[glass arrow]

ok i see

[desert cypress]

Better than just one doom though

DOOM 2

[woven crater]

It doesn’t do 2xdoom+nx[additional stacks], just doom+nx[additional stacks]
So it’s whether that ends up being larger or smaller than the impending doom modifier

[desert cypress]

I wish you could just apply it infinitely though, then it would be DOOM ETERNAL

[woven crater]

With both of them, the impending doom delay is just strictly beneficial in most cases

[desert cypress]

I'm not sorry

[bronze sorrel]

Worst it gets is chain skewer which is still fun albeit inconsistent, and Flaring Spin which is like "ok sure its an improvement if you just stand in spin pose but why are you playing like that to begin with?"

But even flaring spin is just Cruel Thrust level bad

[desert cypress]

I laughed at my own joke

Just a crowd of myself

[dry ember]

good enough

[glass arrow]

so i have chiron bow with aphro special, and ares autos so ive got curse of longing now is that good

[serene zealot]

Should be, yeah

[desert cypress]

I'm gonna go and shrivel away now

[woven crater]

With other doom buffs that becomes quite good

[glass arrow]

ya other than athena deflect i feel like i have a severe lack of defense boons tho

[bronze sorrel]

@desert cypress but you haven't made a doom joke about Curse of Longing yet

[coarse moss]

people like Zeus on fast weapons. Dire misfortune is pretty much the same as zeus on those weapons

[desert cypress]

It's like flame belch I guess

[bronze sorrel]

Nah Dire MF is different. Its single target.

Zeus gives good AoE which is why its so beloved.

Dire MF is good on Zeus Shield though.

[desert cypress]

I really don't know something in DE that works like Curse of Longing

[bronze sorrel]

Also Lucifer

[desert cypress]

pew pew

[bronze sorrel]

I was more just looking for a doom pun about how bad it is lol

CoL I'd say is the worst duo in game but somehow there are others that still outfail it

[willow haven]

@limber cloak i tried so hard for the ares build but had no luck with getting artemis

tried demeter and what do you know

meme beams

[bronze sorrel]

Meme beams are fun

[willow haven]

i was super lucky to get +2cast in the satyr tunnels

[bronze sorrel]

Fully loaded or wells?

[willow haven]

fully loaded

[bronze sorrel]

Nice

Crystal Clarity?

Glacial Glare?

[willow haven]

yep and yep 😄

[opal lodge]

stubborn roots is absurdly bad

if we're talking bad duos

[serene zealot]

Eh, I got a win due to it once.

It's not terrible

[opal lodge]

its 48 HP per minute

[fallen mirage]

Stubborn Roots is fine if you're worried you might die and don't mind burning some time

[serene zealot]

^

[woven crater]

I made it very far in EM4 hades my first attempt by stubborn roots stalling

Simultaneously tense and boring gameplay

[fallen mirage]

The Athena/Dio duo however, that I can never remember the name of

That one has no defense

I feel like it just makes you more likely to get hit

[opal lodge]

calculated risk?

[fallen mirage]

Yeah that one

[woven crater]

Slower projectiles

[opal lodge]

it undoes FO2 for projectiles on high heat

which is pretty useful

[woven crater]

It’s fun solely in the Arthurian Tennis build

[willow haven]

can you have multiple duos?

[woven crater]

Once upon a time it was Athena/Aphrodite which made it easier to do

[opal lodge]

its helpful being able to see dad's spear fly toward you on EM4

yeah you can have multiple

[willow haven]

oh thanks

like i'm going for zeus/athena but got zeus/aphro i can still get zeus/athena right?

[opal lodge]

yee

zeus athena requires phalanx shot

if you werent aware

[willow haven]

aye

got it

[gusty rapids]

im pretty sure its 72

its 1 per 0.8 seconds

[opal lodge]

oh is it

that makes more sense

still bad

less bad

but still bad

[tame bison]

One hades spin hit per minute

[opal lodge]

lol

[tame bison]

Just dodge like 6 spins

[opal lodge]

exactly

[tame bison]

And you can afford to get hit again

[gusty rapids]

lol

[tame bison]

I think that’s the main issue with roots is the only place I want it is vs Hades, but against Hades it’s sad

[bronze sorrel]

I think it was meant to go with Stubborn defiance, but its kinda fail.

[spiral badge]

Blows my mind that SSG looked at all the busted stuff in this game, looked at stubborn roots, and said “Oooh can’t have that too powerful nope. Better tone that one down.”

[stiff wigeon]

Question about dash-strike with the bow: Does increased d-s damage only affect a short shot right after a dash, or does dashing into a charge shot get buffed?

[mighty ermine]

the latter

as long as you initiate the charge after the dash, it doesn't matter how long you take with that shot

[stiff wigeon]

Cool. Thank you.

[spiral badge]

It's worth noting that early on its good practice make sure you are mashing the dash and attack buttons together, rather than separate. It's surprisingly easy to miss the timing window when first learning bow and accidentally get the longer-charging stationary shot, pressing both buttons together and adjusting your playstyle around that feature eliminates that possibility

At least until you're comfortable with timing dash strikes manually and you can wean yourself back over

[proven osprey]

the thing is

dash striking manually can allow you to get and iframe and still perform a dash strike

like you iframe the power couple wave and dash strike right after

[mighty ermine]

yeah i wouldn't recommend mashing both buttons at once all the time

[proven osprey]

unfortunately I'm used to mashing

[dry ember]

then stop

[proven osprey]

But at high heat for more precise plays not mashing is better

thanks fox

Like serrated is much better without mashing

[gusty rapids]

yeah i dont think hitting both at the same time is good for bow dash strikes

its fine for something like sword dash strike tho

[spiral badge]

really? i feel it's worth using as a crutch at least until you have powershot timing down consistently. it limits your mobility some, but that's a good price to pay for ez powershots when you're starting out learning bow's timing

idk i only have like 60 clears so you guys probably know better

[proven osprey]

it's the easy way

so I won't blame anyone for doing it

but for a bow it's not necessary

[spiral badge]

its training wheels for sure

[proven osprey]

It's like a crutch for double dash strike weapons

[spiral badge]

only there as a crutch while you perfect the manual timing

[mighty ermine]

yeah like croven said it feels like mashing both at once is mostly relevant for sword dash-strikes

learning to manually follow up is important for bow when you climb heat for example

[spiral badge]

oh absolutely

hotkey shortcuts are never a substitute for muscle memory at high levels of play

like your guys'

[proven osprey]

[oak raptor]

alright time for a 9 heat spear runhttps://i.imgur.com/KktjK1R.png

which aspect am i maxing and running

[proven osprey]

Achilles is faster

Hades is funnier

imo

[oak raptor]

achilles maxed

[gusty rapids]

achilles is my favorite spear

[oak raptor]

now what build do i wanna try for

i did a festive fog one the othet day

[proven osprey]

You're not a gremlin for nothing Croven

[oak raptor]

oh might try hunting blades

[spiral badge]

hunting blades achilles

[proven osprey]

how can you like a flurry jab reset weapon

[spiral badge]

spiciest of cast builds

[gusty rapids]

because it gets flurry jab

imagine liking any spear that doesnt get flurry jab

[proven osprey]

lmao

Yeah imagine

[gusty rapids]

who would do that, hm

[proven osprey]

who indeed

[chilly turret]

Is there a value to CHILL effects?

I find them weak.

[proven osprey]

Frost strike is kinda low base damage

But chill effects are really good crowd control, even more with killing freeze

it's a safe option, especially with FO2 on

[spiral badge]

i like chill a lot

[cloud vault]

Chill is pretty decent when you have demeter cast I guess

[spiral badge]

demeter is tied for 2nd in attack buffs, and its great for defense

if you have a fast attacking weapons especially

also shoutout to chill for being the longest lasting curse in the game for keeping PS online

[cloud vault]

It could be good on Rail

[spiral badge]

i like it on fists

too

[chilly turret]

I like the cast

But not on anything else

[gusty rapids]

i like chill personally, more so at high heat

if u can get killing freeze too its fantastic

[cloud vault]

Like if you're doing your first few clears a Rail with chill attack is nice for safety, on higher heat it can help combat FO2

[proven osprey]

yeah the thing is you're not gonna get synergies with it

to deal more

[spiral badge]

Killing freeze op

[proven osprey]

but it's alright

[spiral badge]

true, i think dem does stumble with synergy

[proven osprey]

like dem duos are like

[spiral badge]

a lot of her kit can be wonky and polarizing unless you're specifically after it

[proven osprey]

"ok let's play cast"

[spiral badge]

yeah most dem duos are subpar at best

[oak raptor]

damn

hunting blades with epic slicing shot

before i leave tartarus

[spiral badge]

that's all you really need to type there, damn

farm ares and win game i guess

[oak raptor]

now to farm ares legendary

now i dont know what keepsake i want for asphode

[dry ember]

coin purse not bad if you already have what you want

[oak raptor]

lol i got poseidon call and immediately got the upgrade for it

[spiral badge]

Don't keepsakes also affect legendary and duo chance without saying so? Or did i get mislead in another server? I like to keep a god's keepsake on and let it ride until i have their legendary if I'm on an all-in build like this one

[proven osprey]

It does improve your chances

but it's not worth keeping a used one tbh

buying one more boon/ forcing another god or any other option is better

[spiral badge]

ah, ok

[oak raptor]

https://i.imgur.com/Ze2Egh2.png

[spiral badge]

one of Those Runs, is it

[oak raptor]

havent seena res for a while though

got him out a random bag

bigger blades

at styx

praying for ares

LETS GOOOOOOO

https://i.imgur.com/h1ybKue.png

[woven crater]

Well that's a free win

[oak raptor]

Flurry cast from hermes too

[spiral badge]

em3 or 4

i just want to know how fast dad gets vaporized

game was over for him a floor and a half ago lol

[oak raptor]

i only have em2 on

[spiral badge]

there it is

no shame in that

em3 is a reality check. i dont keep it on for ezmode runs

[oak raptor]

its just annoying moe than anything

actuualy scratch taht

[woven crater]

My first em4 run was with op hunting blades and I still managed to lose,,,

[oak raptor]

theseus em3 is annoying
em3 asterius is terrifying

[woven crater]

Theseus em3 is less annoying than normal Theseus, honestly

Asterius is the difficult part

[spiral badge]

^^^

[oak raptor]

especially when he spins

[woven crater]

Spin to win

[oak raptor]

huh

thats funny

https://i.imgur.com/wJJ1bH7.png

[woven crater]

One of the best voice lines

[oak raptor]

2min 20 sec fight

[stable sigil]

Wow what was your build?

[oak raptor]

i just put it in #h1-victory-boasting

dont bap me bot

#h1-victory-boasting message

now for the hard part

i need to get the common fish

one fish let

damn voidsakte

ok so the fight wasnt even 2:20

thats jsut what nvidia recorded

[proven osprey]

I got the common fish

after 400 hours

only one, codex not completed

[oak raptor]

https://streamable.com/t56eqg

1:30 fight

[woven crater]

That's pretty good

[oak raptor]

also i didnt realize for some reasonm untill just now that mirage shot copies your cast exactly

i think id been using it only with artemis oronly with weapons that fire your cast for you |
hera bow/beo shield

so i never actually saw it

[opal lodge]

i have a 26 second fight LOL

[spiral badge]

When is zeus dash good and when is it not good?

[daring turtle]

I personally never like Zeus dash, but I'm sure it has some builds it works with

[turbid needle]

What boons should I aim for if I'm using ||guan yu||?

[mellow geyser]

how hard is Extreme Measures? Should I get one level?

[oak raptor]

I like it on em2 bc it makes second boss faster

[spiral badge]

EM2 is the difficulty threshold where you’ll forget it’s even on quickly enough IMO

[mellow geyser]

so what moves do the Fury girls get with em1?

[oak raptor]

uhhh

try it and see

its much more fun to experience it blind

[mellow geyser]

I want to prepare cause I don't want to break my 6 win streak out of 7 total wins

but sure

[oak raptor]

all ill say is uh

be prepared to dodge more

[mellow geyser]

alright

I am now a little scared

[oak raptor]

it is scary when you first see it

then not as bad as you thought it was going to be

[fading tapir]

what boons would yall reccomend for exagryph/eris aspect

[oak raptor]

zeus attack is always good. aphro/art never bad

[fading tapir]

also is there a way to increase chances of getting a daedlus hammer

[oak raptor]

other than the mirror talent?

no

[empty heron]

You'll almost always get two in a run, one in Tartarus and one at the start in Elysium. If you havent picked up both hammers, one will usually show up in Styx. I don't know if it's guarenteed but I read somewhere that it was.

[flat garden]

i dont think ive ever seen one in styx

in runs where i only pick up one hammer

[daring turtle]

I've seen it once in Styx when I was unlucky to never get a hammer in Elysium

[narrow ravine]

I struggle with fists boons. Tend to default to aphro/Zeus. Any good recommendations?

Gilga aspect usually

[spiral badge]

Gilga is usually the “most busted ME Fists” candidate build, specifically

Beyond that i feel like gilga plays the opposite of how the fists usually work for what boons you take

Focusing more on attack % like artemis/aphrodite than curse damage like dio/zeus/demeter

The increased base attack and Maim being on deck make punching hard kind of matter for Gilga, where for normal fists it really doesn’t

[narrow ravine]

aphro upgraded a couple times seems really hard to beat - increased dmg, increased defense etc - it really starts to add up

[proven osprey]

Gilga is either ME or trash

[narrow ravine]

ME?

[proven osprey]

Merciful End

I guess I'm not fair with this aspect

But the attack is slow, the dash strike is low damage

The dash upper is a lot of fun tho

[narrow ravine]

interesting (had to look it up), i usually only athena for dash and ares as last result

i like the playstyle of the fists, but just defaulted to gilga

[proven osprey]

Btw you have to get athena on special too

to unlock ME

[narrow ravine]

ughh, that's a lot of athena lol!

[proven osprey]

Yeah, ME is highroll

[narrow ravine]

i like zag too, just for the dodge, + some hermes boons (my late game default )

[proven osprey]

Ares attack, Athena special to get the duo available and you still need divine dash to proc it efficiently

[narrow ravine]

i'm only at heat 15 though

[proven osprey]

Yeah fists is fun

dodge Zag too

[narrow ravine]

in general w/ fists, i just never really know where to go for dps

[proven osprey]

Merciful end is in general strong but kinda boring imo

You can go Zeus, it's nice

[narrow ravine]

you can hermes zag the whole way and have massive dodge, and if you get speeed to dmg, is fun

[warm elk]

What's a good build for aspect of poseidon?

[flat garden]

crush shot + exit wounds is hella fun

if you level up those two until level 6 you wont even need any other boons

at least it works on <16 heat, havent tried it on higher

[willow fossil]

Athena dash 👏 😩

Always athena dash

[flat garden]

athena dash also helps

since you'll be going in close to the enemies

[warm elk]

Forgive my incompetence, but which god grants those boons?

[tribal rivet]

Of I want to run a chiron with ares how would I compliment him in terms of other gods

[flat garden]

crush shot is aphro cast, exit wounds is artemis

[warm elk]

Awesome thanks

[flat garden]

they're both tier 1 boons so you wont even need any other boons to get them

[willow fossil]

What

[flat garden]

naughty

you mispelled shot

[willow fossil]

Oh lmfao auto correct I guess

You need crush shot for exit wounds to appear

Just keep that in mind

[flat garden]

oh really?

[willow fossil]

Yes

You need the cast first

[flat garden]

oh yeah, i guess you would need cast that lodges in to make it work

my bad

[flat garden]

be sure to get aphro first

[warm elk]

I'm gonna try it right meow

[flat garden]

good luck

[warm elk]

Died at hades with a poseidon's cast/jolting build last night for the first time

Thanks

[wide flume]

Shield builds?

[willow fossil]

Which shield

[wide flume]

Aspect of Zeus

[half crater]

put zeus on it

[narrow ravine]

i'd recomend aphro on special

for aspect of zeus. you can put zeus on attack if you want, but getting the big area weakness is really strong

[willow fossil]

How about athena and you have a deflect tower

[narrow ravine]

i think the additional boons from aphro stack better - decrease dmg from weak, increased dmg to weak -they're really nice.

i like aphro because they do both - add survive ability and add damage. a lot of times, once i get 2 of those upgrades will swap to Lambent Feather for the rest of the run - you can add like 15% speed/dodge and usaually get attack speed or a couple other general buffs

i've done H10 runs with Lambent Feather only, I just really like it

[flat garden]

what special should i put on my lucifer

[still vigil]

so

Im here to say

CoL on fists is actually quite clutch

[pale kayak]

I had a run with the bow where I attempted to get Heart Rend, only for the game to continuously troll me at every opportunity by not giving me it.

I eventually got it right before the boss of Elysium.

And I even used all of my rerolls for it, too. :X

God, this game can be a real jerk at times...

[coral cave]

rng can give you a real kick in the nuts sometimes

it happens

[pale kayak]

I love this game, I really do.

But RNG REALLY likes pissing me off with how much it refuses to give me the duo boon I need.

[narrow ravine]

Not sure how far along you are, but you can kind of ‘force’ builds at some point

[pale kayak]

I'm in freeplay.

I ran out of rerolls before eventually getting it.

Luckily, this was my 20 heat run, so I managed to complete my bounties for the bow.

👌

I hung on with 7 Health against Theseus who had Dio's aid that time.

Had no SD left.

[dull pelican]

Real talk, Aspect of Chiron and Drunken Flourish work really well together

[flat garden]

@opaque nexus it's a process, you'll get better with time. also we should move here instead of #h1-victory-boasting

[opaque nexus]

ok

[flat garden]

i can only barely get sub 17 minutes though, much longer than some people can accomplish

ive seen runs with less than 15 minutes and already i think that's speedy

much less speedruns at 9 minutes

[coral cave]

Most speedruns take lots of practice and luck

Also choosing the right weapons and aspects

[spiral drum]

if u want to go fast turn on all of the speed-increasing pacts and pick your best wep

[slim lynx]

it definitely takes luck

i got my first sub 14 because i got perfect + twin shot + deadly strike on rama

[limber cloak]

lm happy with my sub 20's for now

[split glen]

good grief

https://www.thegamer.com/hades-weapons-ranked/

this article hurts me

guan yu in 13th and lucifer in 1st??

[dry ember]

People have posted many questionable articles on Hades

[coral cave]

I am disgusted

[dry ember]

My best advice is to ignore them

[coral cave]

||Rama|| in 12th????????

Fists at 11th?????????????

[dry ember]

The author likely wrote the articles with their own experience in a vacuum.

[slim plume]

which websites should I actually trust

regarding builds

[dry ember]

None of them

Ask here

[coral cave]

||lucifer|| in 1st??????????????????????

[slim plume]

where do y'all get builds then

[coral cave]

I am going to assault the author

[limber cloak]

experience

also take note that this channel may contain spoilers

so i recommend that you only ask in #h1-discussion until youve

uh

[slim plume]

yeah I see the "spoliers allowed"

[limber cloak]

reached further

[dry ember]

Well on a more technical note, speedrunning

[coral cave]

I am so appalled rn

[limber cloak]

also

bow in 9th?????

[coral cave]

The absolute AUDACITY to put rama at 12th fists at 11th

[limber cloak]

LMAO they even made a typo

in the hidden spear description

read it

[dry ember]

Speedrunners have invested a lot of time in optimizing the game. Much of the knowledge here was adapted from and inspire speedrunning through a lot of practice and trial @slim plume
So you can join the speedrunning Discord for builds

[limber cloak]

and youll find what im talking about