charged skewer
#h1-builds-and-combat
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Achilles and literally whatever you like lol 😘
fading garden
Hades spear with lightning attack is honestly pretty awesome!
It also slaps with Poseidon as well
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Achilles is kind of like eris, busted because of the fundamental way it works
plush fog
also pierced butterfly keepsake with hidden spear
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which means you can build anything to it
but there's a lot of fun spear combos you can get into
oooooo yeah that ^^^
fading garden
also, interesting thing about the hidden spear. If you try to attack repeatedly, zag hovers in the air for a bit before his next attack
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yeah i love that
fading garden
It is very noticable on the third one
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big chinese wire-fu leap
fading garden
Indeed
wide flume
Ill try using Achilles with hunting blades
plush fog
you can use pretty much anything with hunting blades tbh
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achilles hunting blades is particularly batty though
misty turret
zeus shield is the most fun i've had with shield ever
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Praise be
fading garden
I do certainly like Zeus shield. I don't know what it is, but I have a really hard time getting in to chaos
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I’m convinced that actual chaos lovers, like birds, aren’t real
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Dio special, aphro attack should treat you pretty right for rama
wicked shore
thanks!
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4 heat is still a pretty standard experience, what are your modifiers?
wicked shore
customs, EM1, convenience fee
also should I go point blank shot, explosive shot, or perfect shot?
misty turret
customs at that low? i'd rather just take HL or TD instead
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Oooooof
Yeah bro
You punish yourself with customs and convenience fee
EM2 TD1 should? Be equivalent or higher
And give you a lot, loooot less heartburn
coarse moss
perfect shot helps you get used to using rama to the fullest
coarse moss
its not bad but now you'll never do powershots
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Soooooo slow
I take twin shot for power before explosive on Rama
Explosive feels like I have no range whatsoever
wicked shore
i'm starting over screw it
yeah like I should take a break because my fingers are KILLING me
daring turtle
yeah, I like twin + perfect shot on it
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Twin + shotgun shot 😈
wicked shore
i hear bow is good but tbh I just don't see it
i know it is
but like i don't think it's for me
i know I'm playing wrong haha
coarse moss
maybe watching the 60 heat rama run will inspire you xD
wicked shore
i think I'm kinda burned out cause yesterday I was up till 4 AM playing hades
you know what you may have a point
show me?
wicked shore
yeah it'll inspire me when I'm in the mood I'mma play OW for a bit then I'll see
coarse moss
wicked shore
I don't wanna argue Cause I know you're right
misty turret
even zag bow is actually pretty good
wicked shore
what about hera?
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Have faith, all shall reveal itself in time ❤️
misty turret
tbh i haven't tried hera so i can't say about it
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Hera is great too but rama and chiron are next level busted imo
wicked shore
ok weakest aspect?
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Whereas hera is just bow + load cast
wicked shore
like overall
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Zag spear I would say
misty turret
achilles spear ❤️
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Zag shield is the best 5 blood you can spend if you’re looking for a cheap first upgrade
Yeah Spear can be middle of the road, but Achilles busted ❤️
wicked shore
i really enjoy this game but like if I invest too much time I'm gonna hurt my hands playing with controller
i'm gripping that thing waaaay too hard
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I know what you mean, it wears out my old man hands too lol
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Enjoy what you have left while you have time
wicked shore
yep I love this game
like this game shoulda got more awards
anyways I'm copying down what you guys advised for builds so thanks
fading garden
Take a look in #h1-victory-boasting . I got extremely lucky that run
Won't lie though, that was easily the strangest Lucy build I've ever done
empty heron
It's weird for sure. But it works 😉
Glad you had fun. That looks like it was amazing
fading garden
That build woulda been sooo good with Bad influence!
It was a really good run for sure!
coarse moss
Won't lie though, that was easily the strangest Lucy build I've ever done
feels like that hangover on attack and arty on special would be more ideal
fading garden
Oh I agree, but that was the point of the build: to put dio on special and see how it plays out
urban flame
I appreciate your commitment to dio on special
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Y’all wanna hear a joke
fading garden
Question: how does parting shot work with aoe casts like festive fog?
coral cave
Yeah you
fading garden
Time to make them heroic
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this is the most I’ve ever held my nose at an epic rare crop lol
forest marsh
fading garden
Still, heroic is nothing to compain about
fading garden
Ooo, that is some spice
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Still, I can’t believe I’m saying this, I’d rather have had an epic dem attack
But We Takes Those
The other was curse of vengeance
So not the worst interaction
fading garden
That's gonna be some spicy doom stacks!
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Guys what if gods pride is actually real
fading garden
??
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Have we considered that possibility
fading garden
Huh?
coral cave
🤨
fading garden
Well alright then
rare kindle
I use legacy if I’m trying to force certain duo boons like merciful end
But I default to pride for better basic boons
fading garden
For sure. Granted, I feel the more I play, the less concerned I am about rarities
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Guys talk me down off the cursed slash ledge
Tell me breaching slash is a way better choice
forest marsh
Embrace the curse
rare kindle
It’s mildly annoying when you buy the yarn and hermes shows up before the god you forced for a duo boon
fading garden
True!
coral cave
Cursed slash terrible unless you got flurry slash+ attack speed from hermes
rare kindle
At least that time I ran into Eurydice right after, and of course I chose the nectar
Yes
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Hmmmmmmmmm
rare kindle
Cursed slash is dangerous without flurry slash
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On one hand I have an irrational attachment to cursed slash
On the other hand I have a good thing going with nemesis here and the armor is the smart play
I think I have to take the armor shredding. I’m trying to pull off EM4 and I feel like I’m going to need it
Thank you for the group therapy session
Sorry to fail you @forest marsh
fading garden
You're doing EM4!? Definitely don't take cursed slash then!
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Nope
Lost it with rama but I had my mirror all backwards
From 32 heat
I’m approaching at 15 now, EM4 MM TD2
Just to learn the fight
So, boons that aren’t trash for sword special? I’m thinking maybe zeus? Maybe ares?
Could Poseidon be a decent backdoor for artemis? I have her dash and her cast and an empty special
fading garden
Mirage shot is always good
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thats what I was gunning towards
fading garden
Then go for it
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But I also have dem on the table too hmmmmmm
Her increased heal might prove useful and I already have her attack
But I still need to fill my special slot up
Is Poseidon acceptable on sword special? I worry about the excess knockback
fading garden
You don't need to fill core boons. That is not a necessity
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Yeah, I get it
I think I’ll just focus on demeter for more chill and +heal
Demeter seems like a really good LC3 pick
fading garden
Btw, you were talking about how you were thinking you were crazy yesterday.
Well taking cursed Slash with EM4 is the definition of crazy!
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Up yours, reduced healing
I live for it 😈
Boy oh boy if demeter procced on cursed slash it’d be a different day
We can only dream
fading garden
Maybe if this wasn't EM4 then sure
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Oh yeah, business first for this
fading garden
Also, good luck! Let me know how the run goes. For now though, I'm gonna pass out ✌️
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Night
manic needle
Got cursed slash with epic swift strike and flurry slash. I didnt even need to use dash i could just hold down the attack button
I think it was divine strike also
slim lynx
at that point you could have just taken heartbreak strike or deadly strike
slim lynx
the weak from heartbreak is the cherry on top for flurry cursed slash builds
slim lynx
oh and also the damage increase because the damage on cursed + flurry + swift strike still suuuucks
slim lynx
nah zag is better for that build
manic needle
Yea i was using poseidon because i was planning on a cast build but got that instead
Also the fast spear hammer upgrade (forgot the name) with sea storm is really good too
slim lynx
rail + tempest strike + sea storm 😳
slim lynx
i was hoping to get tempest flourish
i already had cluster bomb so sea storm + tempest flourish woulda been amazing in styx
hard robin
Which weapon?
cloud vault
EM4 is pretty damn hard.
coarse moss
sure is
manic needle
Lightning rod is suuper funny sometimes
How do you get good with chaining attacks and just not missing?
restive tiger
Hey
I’m srill trying g to get a good build out of the Achille aspect of the spear. Any tips ?
robust anchor
i like zeus cast
vale imp
I’m srill trying g to get a good build out of the Achille aspect of the spear. A...
Try it with Hunting Blades, it's pretty fun
hoary slate
Crystal Beam + Crystal Clarity is probably the easiest for Achilles
slim lynx
do "wall-slam" effects also trigger if an enemy is "cornered"? (basically wall-slam except it's on a ledge, such as in tartarus or elysium)
ruby glade
hey, which upgrades should i focus on the mirror?
i dont really know from which im gonna benefit the most
safe yew
death defiance first of all
ruby glade
so, i should use all of my purple essence on this?
half crater
the mirror is pretty cheap to reset tho, so it’s honestly the meta progression thing i’d worry the least about buying “optimally”
ruby glade
ok, good to know. But which upgrades should i focus on? there are too many and i dont know which im gonna benefit the most
Like, i have upgraded death defiance twice, is that good?
half crater
yeah
you wanna get your third one fairly soon, having 3 is one of the big things that helps you get your first clears
but the other stuff is useful as well, i’d also invest in casts a bit if you haven’t already
opens up a lot more builds
proven osprey
first two are pog
half crater
you’re prolly better getting a feel for the options yourself, as opposed to asking about every choice
frozen bolt
Trust your ultra instincts
half crater
^
arctic leaf
Realize it doesn’t matter and this choice is temporary
Then pick the one you think offers you the most enjoyable experience.
I release you.
still vigil
When I'm doin runs, I cant ever find the boon list. Has it always been disabled?
proven osprey
Open it from the codex
still vigil
Thank you!
Also
Another question
I got Curse of Longin and it didn't seem too bad, so may I ask why it's not mentione much?
cloud vault
Where would you use it?
Most enemies just die before the curse of Longing can even do much
And it kinda requires you to hit something and leave it for a bit
proven osprey
I really like this duo
but unfortunately when it comes to doom, Merciful End rules
Although curse of longing gilgamesh is so great to play
still vigil
Yea!
Um
Srry fer late response
But this is the run i meant it didnt feel bad
I was runnin it on Gilga @cloud vault
cloud vault
I wouldn't mind it on a few aspects tbh but it seems difficult to not just prefer ME.
cunning urchin
Curse of Longing is an actually really good boon that just happens to not be ME.
still vigil
I can agree with that
I was doin just as fine on bosses and mobs when I got CoL
Granted it wasnt nearly as instant
ruby glade
if i have the upgrade that makes the bow automatic, will i benefit from the upgrade that makes the bow do more damage from bigger range?
proven osprey
Yeah it's great to apply doom here and there
cunning urchin
if i have the upgrade that makes the bow automatic, will i benefit from the upgr...
Yeah, but Sniper Shot is difficult to make work reliably.
still vigil
Like I could place a CoL doom on a boss, leave it and it works like a chunky DoT
Which was nice
Especially when I got thing like Broken Resolve and Impending Doom
fervent elbow
Achilles with zeus cast. Use special then your cast to clear a room
worldly blaze
Have you ever just had a run where you only got like 2 gods?
I didn't even know Dio and Pos were in my god pool this time until elysium
and Pos was only there once in a shop
slim lynx
which is better on hestia, arty or aphro?
coral cave
Why you randomly dming people bro
fickle totem
to help them?
or is that offensive in 2021?
i don't want to spam other channels with very particular info
coral cave
It's 3 sentences you aint spamming
And randomly dming people is just kinda rude
General etiquette bro
fervent elbow
It's like posting your message in a channel and receiving an answer in another one
coral cave
very rude to pm someone valuable info. i gotcha
Just tell them in the server mf
fickle totem
alright, i guess i don't want to trigger their screeching
coral cave
You randomly dming people and act like you the victim smh
still vigil
No one told me that epic hyper sprint and epic greater haste was this darn fast
I'm havin a very hard time steering lol
urban flame
gshsjdjkggh
slim lynx
get accelerated ichor
oh and also rush delivery
definitely get rush delivery if you can
coral cave
Getting rush delivery with a build like that is crucial
urban flame
does the hermes speed damage boon affect affect dash attacks on hyper sprint?
slim lynx
only problem is that you can only get two boons from hermes
coral cave
I think so
slim lynx
and there's only a chance of him appearing in styx, let alone giving you rush delivery
urban flame
rad, I'd question why you can get rush delivery with just hyper sprint otherwise
still vigil
It's a movement speed boost
slim lynx
if you do get rush delivery from hermes at styx then gg lol
still vigil
Well i think I'm good this run even if i dun get cause i have heroic arty atk and divine dash on gilgamesh
boreal cradle
so im going to try my first run with aspect of rama, any tips on which boons/hammers to get ?
jolly niche
while ive never completed a rama run, ive noticed that if you draw the bow after you dash, it charges up much faster than normal, but damage isnt as high. IDK if this is a bug or not, but its still useful
coral cave
That's a dash strike
fervent elbow
so im going to try my first run with aspect of rama, any tips on which boons/ham...
Artemis on attack, try Aphrodite on special and heart rend. For hammers, aim for twin/triple shot
jolly niche
oh, wasnt aware the bow had one
granite lava
there is a speedrun modpack in the works so eventually there will be a modded category
coral cave
What'll the modpack have
jolly niche
I didn’t realize this game had a modding scene
limber galleon
Whats the speedrun build for chiron bow
stiff igloo
https://puu.sh/H8pRr/2c664bc9c9.png
rude
wide flume
I’m so tempted to take out my switch in the middle of class and start playing
proven osprey
Oh, Lemon person
I think you deleted a message in high heat yesterday, was it my fault?
proven osprey
Nice
hard robin
yeh, dw abt it
fervent elbow
How do I play chaos shield ? Does the main gameplay rely on being at melee range for max special damage ? or I missed something ?
hard robin
I've only found it helpful with doom
but even then the chaos shield isn't as helpful as it used to be
proven osprey
still really good with zeus on special
hard robin
that's true too
wide flume
It’s good with Demeter and Zeus because you can get easy privileged status
slim lynx
what does the "ambiguity bonus" from heart of stone do?
coral cave
It's ambiguous
gusty rapids
Whats the speedrun build for chiron bow
also kinda late, but might as well try to answer. i dont play chiron unfortunately but ive seen a few ppl who do. one idea is to actually start poseidon on dash to help you clear tartarus quickly, and try to get artemis on special, aphro on attack to lead into heart rend. concentrated volley is ideal hammer, relentless is okay too, if you get twin or triple you can transition to kind of a scuffed zag bow build
https://www.speedrun.com/hades/run/z1o4rkgm this is the fastest chiron on the leaderboards rn
stiff igloo
guys doe srama effect only works on normal attacks
or anything
like zeus bolts
if it dosent work on zeus things tell me a good build
because i just read it and i just unlocked the effect and its so cool
gusty rapids
attacks / dash strikes only
stiff igloo
what is a good build/Strategy
gusty rapids
you mainly want a big percentage boost on your attack, preferably artemis but aphrodite works too
a few things can work on the special tbh
dionysus is good, can lead into splitting headache / low tolerance depending on the attack
zeus special is pretty fun for a special spam lmao
stiff igloo
artemis on attacks
dionysus on special
gusty rapids
if u have arty attack, aphro special into heart rend works too
stiff igloo
so i go like that?
gusty rapids
with aphro attack, you could even maybe go ares on special and lead into curse of longing, im a fan of ares special personally
yeah that can work
like i said theres a lot of ways u can go with the special
demeter special with killing freeze can also work really well
worldly blaze
Demeter Aspect with Pos Special is so stupid
you just shove around your enemies like a school bully
hard robin
Demeter has an aspect? wew
gusty rapids
its pretty funny to imagine tbh
granny beating the crap out of the titans with some boxing gloves
hard robin
lmfaoo
worldly blaze
I mean she is one of the most feared olympians
misty turret
ayy i got the funny meme beams build
by complete accident
demeter cast + poseidon/artemis duo + demeter/artemis duo
jolly niche
guan yu with doom isnt bad
if you get the hammer that increases your spin charge time, and get the stacking boon, its some good burst damage
although, it would prolly be much better on a Zeus Shield
misty turret
im too used to like 16+ heat
0 heat is boring
oh i didn't realize my first zeus shield run was sub 20
now i have all my weapons sub 20 
gusty rapids
zeus shield goes hard
jolly niche
ive always been a fan of zagreus tbh, cuz I rarely use the special
misty turret
zeus i great bc i can fire and forget
wide flume
I’ve always wanted to run Zeus shield but I never know what booms to put on it
cloud vault
Fire and forget means you're not getting much out of it sadly
Thunder and Artemis are great on it, doom can work too with merciful end
frozen bolt
Here's a thought. Zeus shield with Ares special, Athena attack, and Merciful End.
The problem is that it sucks until you get ME.
gusty rapids
merciful end is a way to run zeus shield yeah
I think the more common way is ares on attack Athena on special tho? i haven’t run that myself but I’ve seen that build run
helps with early game to have a percentage boost on special too
frozen bolt
That would make more sense, yeah.
cloud vault
On the flip side Ares Special gives you a powerful dire misfortune /impending doom combo until you hit ME
urban sonnet
hey is there anywhere i can find strong default builds for different aspects? e.g. demeter fists with Zeus on attack , aphro on special, look for these hammers, etc. sorry this probably gets asked a lot
misty turret
i think that's the earliest i've got a legendary (discounting huge catch first boon ofc) https://i.imgur.com/A01aDMK.jpg
hard robin
nice
misty turret
just about done with 4/6 of my weapon's bounties
up to 15 heat on spear and 20 on shield iirc
i am not speed https://i.imgur.com/RgFSwaA.png
safe yew
assuming it shows up early enough to be useful, is there any downside to ||stealing from charon||?
safe yew
i mean i DID burn two DDs on the fight
proven osprey
If you're not going for speed, the gold is huge yeah
tame bison
400g in DD for 300g. 😛
proven osprey
and if you're not dying too
safe yew
i seem to either burn them all early or none at all
tame bison
But yeah 20% bonus rest of run blah blah
safe yew
does getting pins do anything? or is it just a cosmetic ‘yay you maxed a bond!’
misty turret
is that a challenge, hermes? https://i.imgur.com/amrzOVi.png
cloud vault
400g in DD for 300g. 😛
But they're less expensive with the Valued Customer
tame bison
Oh true it’s 320 for 300g then
safe yew
dire misfortune / flurry fire / impending doom is such a nice combo
cloud vault
The discount is worth it too by the end heh
quaint rivet
i guess the diamond is discounted too eh
just unlocked Guan Yu yesterday. it's my first hidden aspect. i guess it's really true that it's only good at higher levels.
rare kindle
I think 155 max hp is the least max hp I've had at the end of styx
But I still won with zag aspect sword
But barely, with 15 hp after Hades
keen mesa
Well, 80% god mode is fun, but it's time to go back to hell mode and high heat... sigh
stiff igloo
what is the difference between ||hades and athena's calls||
misty turret
athena's gives you impervious (immune to damage) and automatic deflecting of attacks
hades' makes you invisible/unseen which make enemies not attack you and gives you bonus damage when you strike/until the duration ends
you don't need to spoiler in here btw
dry ember
Basically Hades is Athena with damage bonus
stiff igloo
i feel hades keepsake is not that work
because you cna get athena's call + another keepsake
gusty rapids
hades keepsake is mostly for damage
its a huge global damage boost, which is really really useful
like +100% global damage i believe
keen mesa
it's 100% on next hit if you use the first stack
if you use the full stack, it lasts for 5 seconds and it's 100% for that entire duration
gusty rapids
i think even with lesser call it lasts longer than just 1 hit
keen mesa
possibly
gusty rapids
should be around 1 second
a bit more maybe
which is more than enough if u have a good build
keen mesa
it says on wiki
gusty rapids
its particularly nice with cast builds where u can just unload ur casts in that 1 second
keen mesa
"While Invisible, Zagreus cannot be targeted, moves faster, and deals bonus damage for 2 seconds (or until he strikes)."
"At Max Gauge, Zagreus turns Unseen instead of Invisible. While Unseen, Zagreus cannot be targeted, moves faster, and deals bonus damage for 5 seconds, the bonus not being lost when Zagreus strikes."
gusty rapids
wiki is sometimes wrong, i think the until he strikes only applies to the former 2
the mechs of dad call are a bit confusing tho and im not gonna act like i know everything about it
point is: big damage make brain happy
cloud vault
Global damage is a pretty rare boost
wide flume
Anyone have a good build for Aspect of Talos?
frail schooner
taking zeus cast will save you a lot of time in tart
tame bison
Or just Zeus strike too
keen mesa
keen mesa
barely beat Hades with it
the charm doesn't last nearly as long as I would have liked
need a much higher level on the call for that
jolly niche
yall got any tips for an eris build?
leaden bay
yall got any tips for an eris build?
lightning strike on attack, big damage whomp on special
fossil moat
yay! just after rolling crit special and triple bomb on ||lucifer||
fading garden
Noice!
cloud vault
yall got any tips for an eris build?
Sure do
Stand in special circle, mash all buttons, next room.
Slightly more serious answer, take lightning attack.
Whatever you do after that will help, but the lightning attack will carry your run no matter what.
jolly niche
followup question, cluster bomb or triple bomb?
fossil moat
personally triple bomb sionce there's no dmg dropoff and more consistency/accuracy
but varying cases, cluster is a massive pile of burst
gusty rapids
cluster is one of the best hammers in the game imo
coral cave
Cluster + rocket
jovial jasper
cluster is the 300% increase in area right?
craggy rapids
Can someone confirm for me whether or not destroying armor counts as "damaging" a foe for the purposes of Fiery Prescence?
vale imp
it counts
craggy rapids
Kind of a shame
vale imp
cluster is the 300% increase in area right?
no that's hazard bomb, cluster makes a bunch of smaller bombs all at once
jovial jasper
ah, I think I paired that with...rocket blast?
That was a fun combo
clear a Styx room in a few seconds
hollow shadow
is there any way to build aspect of hestia besides artemis crit?
dry ember
not really, you can go hearbreak strike i guess
or doom + hunter dash which is gimmicky
but it works
abstract flower
Out of these two blade boons, which should I pick up?
Breaching Slash
Flurry Slash
I'm running Poseidon aspect btw
rare kindle
if it's poseidon aspect I don't think you're using your attack that much anyway
manic needle
yea so unless you're going dionysus or sea storm build I'd go with Breaching Slash
or the dire misfortune
marble chasm
Might try a gimmicky run with only using dash, saw something in a YouTube video and it sounds fun
manic needle
which dash are you going to use?
I would probably use tidal dash because of all the boons for it
like sea storm and the double wave
rupture damage and slam damage
tidal dash can be crazy
oh that's what haelian did lol
rare kindle
how come my aphrodite call did 3k damage?
i'm not sure I had anything that increases call damage
jolly niche
what weapon were you running?
rare kindle
Poseidon sword
turbid needle
Got to Hades and the second phase before dying
jolly niche
perhaps you had a bloodstone stuck in them?
rare kindle
Oh, that probably was it
marble chasm
which dash are you going to use?
Sorry that took a bit. I was planning on doing Tidal and going for Poseidon and Hermes boons. Zeus would be good too if I can get his duo with lightning.
wanton comet
I had an idea for a build but I don't know if it would work.
rare kindle
But idk if boiling blood boosts call damage
wanton comet
Does the Aspect of Achilles post bull rush damage bonus proc on demeter crystals?
And if so does it have the buff during the entire duration?
jolly niche
Aspect of Achilles is spear, not shield...
frail schooner
Yes
wanton comet
I didn't say shield
marble chasm
Thats a good idea if I have it. Might be a hidden aspect so I might not, or at least fully leveled.
marble chasm
If not I could run Zag or Arthur on sword for bonus health or dash distance
jolly niche
Yea Shade, Gilgamesh is a hidden aspect, I think you unlock it by visiting Asterius once with the fists, then another time after revealing guan yu
but specifically the solo mini-boss encounters
wanton comet
My last run was with arthur, but I failed cause I chose some bad boons
marble chasm
So I probably don't have it, ok thanks for letting me know
But yeah, Arthur or Zag might be my best choices
wanton comet
What buff does zag do for sword?
jolly niche
if youre doing dash only, you could also do lightning reflex
marble chasm
Yeah was thinking that too
Theres a duo where tidal can get lighting damage, and combine with jolt and thats really good.
wanton comet
I want to try a DOT build
marble chasm
And Zags sword gives you sword swing speed and dash distance
With levels put in his own aspect
marble chasm
Also deciding whether to get revenge boons
Might be a stretch but if I have to I will
wanton comet
Which boon besides chaos does extra cast damage?
jolly niche
Urge to kill, many cast boons give it a damage boost along with a new effect, bouldy's heart of stone
mighty ermine
And Zags sword gives you sword swing speed and dash distance
That's outdated. It no longer grants extra dash distance. +15% attack speed and movement speed
dry ember
Dude be living in 2020
marble chasm
Yeah my mistake. You're right
Was watching a speedrunner in 1.0 so I got mixed up
Well either way my build idea worked out beautifully. Tidal Dash with Lightning and Voltage is busted.
rare kindle
I wonder if ambiguity bonus from Bouldy just passively boosts gold gain from Sisyphus
Because I've gotten more than 100 gold gain from Sisyphus, while I don't have gold gain boons
frail schooner
Sisjyphus gives 107
jolly niche
aspect of lucifer with heartbreak strike isnt bad
because if you get the legendary boon that gives a 15% chance for foes to be charmed by weak, and gun constantly applies it
sonic crypt
Any opinions on rama vs hera? I'm getting tired of chiron so I want to try one of the other aspects out, I have 34 blood so it'll be maxed 
sonic crypt
full on zeus only wants to appear when i'm using his namesake's shield as well
fallen mirage
Hera takes very little to get going, and is my favorite bow aspect
Aphro Cast + Snow Burst, and watch things die
fallen mirage
If you can manage to get Arty Attack + Poseidon Special, you can also pick up Mirage Shot for even bigger pops
sonic crypt
Aphro Cast + Snow Burst, and watch things die
why is snowburst relevant? I'd assume you'd be want to be spaced away rather than nearby
fallen mirage
My advice is always going to be skewed from a speedrunning perspective, but the closer you are to things, the less travel time for projectiles, and the easier they are to hit
You can also slap Poseidon/Aphro dash on for more aoe damage, if you're up close
sonic crypt
My advice is always going to be skewed from a speedrunning perspective, but the ...
that's bigbrain
slim lynx
melee bow build 
coarse moss
melee bow build <:dusa:522248771409543188>
thats triple shot rama
urban flame
power shots are for cowards who don't have explosive double shots
slim lynx
that just sounds like a really awful setup
urban flame
it sort of was, but you do what you have to
coral cave
I'd say shadow slash
Though piercing wave is pretty nice
Dash nova just is not good to me
proven osprey
Piercing, except if you're playing Arthur
ruby glade
Piercing, except if you're playing Arthur
who's arthur
ruby glade
Ok, one more thing
i got an upgrade on my last run where i had life steal on my sword and it seemed pretty good
is it actually useful?
muted herald
with the secondary cast artemis duo, does it mean it's 70% damage or 30% damage
untold vortex
the secondary does 30%
proven osprey
crystal clarity
worldly blaze
that one
coral cave
i just love it when i'm doing a hera run with crush shot and i never see aphrodite or athena ever again after using their keepsakes during the run and it gives me useless gods
perfection
slim lynx
this is a real rng moment
coral cave
in fact i love it so much i want to slam my head into a wall
urban flame
hmmm, should I get over not taking ares on fast attacks?
slim lynx
it's definitely great if you have merciful end
kinda depends, but there are better options most of the time
slim lynx
yeah
because big damage
and also weak which can be really nice for guan yu
you can also try to get quick spin in case you run low on health
urban flame
I like demeter on the frost fair attack because it pings often and slow is good for not dying with less health
urban flame
dio is also good because it's easy to stack up to max stacks with the spin, and it can combo well with aphro
I'd go for massive spin personally? Winged Serpent if you're building to kite
proven osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/800380566406955038/801403354722598932/unk...
late but massive spin
stiff igloo
guan yu is SO hard
i litterly dashed in 1 wrong place in elysium then lost 2 dd in trial of the gods
and then died in the next 3 rooms
slim lynx
it's best to upgrade it first
coarse moss
guan yu is SO hard
much easier with charged skewer or quick spin
slim lynx
that said, quick spin is really cheesy
proven osprey
guan yu is SO hard
It takes practice but you'll learn not to get hit for sure
stiff igloo
OH
i just unlocked aspect of arthur
ts cool but idk what to build on it
its heavy attacks are telling me to go doom
or artemis
proven osprey
why would you go doom with heavy attacks?
proven osprey
It's better with fast ones that can apply it... well faster. Also, fast attacks usually have a low base damage. That means that they don't scale very well with % boons, therefore on hit dmg are better (zeus, doom, hangover)
stiff igloo
i spent 5 titan blood on my zagreus aspect
but still work it got 6 diamonnds
so wiat
so i go aphrodite on attacks?
becasu eaphro have like 80% base or something
yay i got skelly thing
companion
i have 2 max levle companions now
skelly and meg
cloud vault
Aphro is very consistent and good
Artemis is a great contender and will do more damage on average once you get Mark, especially if you also get Heart Rend.
stiff igloo
aphrodite or artemis ?
viral star
getting close to beating 46 heat arthur
zinc merlin
Is it just me or does aspect of lucifer feel so underwhelming
I got it yesterday and it feels so slow
I put poseidon on the attack and it doesnt feel that great
blissful jacinth
daring turtle
Quick spin helps it a lot
One good thing about the spin attacks (except with GY) is that the spin attack damages enemies behind walls/pillars
So if you get massive spin as well, you can damage enemies easily from behind cover
Works well with aspect of Hades
proven osprey
yes you can
but you almost never full spin with it
you want to apply punishing sweep asap and poke them to death
slim lynx
i just wanna see really big spins
coarse moss
its big enough to hit across the screen lol
dusky maple
I had once super big spin build
But auto attacks just deal morw damage
If you don't have jury summins or something
gusty dagger
Other viable boons for zag bow aside from artemis dash+aphrodite attack?
Planning to do a 32 heat on it
slim lynx
i wonder how effective heart rend would be on zag bow instead of chiron
whereas you have deadly strike and heartbreak flourish instead
pallid spindle
Finally got Arthur... ran with it a couple times and I just don't know how to use it... It's slow yeah but I don't seem to be doing the crazy damage #'s I see from others. Does it not really work until it's leveled up? What kind of Boons do I need to be looking for to get the most out of it?
proven osprey
well Zag bow is made for HR
proven osprey
Finally got Arthur... ran with it a couple times and I just don't know how to us...
Deadly strike and Heart rend for a lot of dmg. Leveling it up does not do much compared to some other aspects
Also
The optimal way would be passion dash to apply weak (and it unlocks heart rend) but it's a bit more risky than divine dash
rose cloud
Arthur aspect good
You can dash to reposition yourself without cancelling the attack animation
proven osprey
Don't special, it's very slow (except when needed, like crowed rooms with projectiles enemies or Lernie fight)
proven osprey
Special dash rather
pallid spindle
What would you all recommend for hammer upgrades on Arthur?
proven osprey
The attack ones are really good : Shadow slash is amazing, breaching is good too. Pick double edge if you see it
Backstab damage scales reaaally well with Arthur
slim lynx
shadow slash is surprisingly really good on arthur
pallid spindle
OK, off I go to try it 🙂
slim lynx
since you can dash mid-combo you can easily reposition yourself behind the enemy to land a backstab
rose cloud
Just dont take Cursed Slash and Flurry Slash
pallid spindle
Oh one more question... would you recommend I use my titan blood to upgrade Arthur or use it for other aspects?
proven osprey
It only affects the aura
gray moon
Ideally, you shoould have one apsect per weapon that you are good with
don't bother upgrading Arthur
rose cloud
Its optional
gray moon
unless you have spare blood
proven osprey
since you already have that sweet +50 hp
slim lynx
can you even get flurry slash on arthur?
gray moon
No flurry on arthur
slim lynx
apparently you can get triple jab with guan yu
gray moon
that would be galactic levels of OP
gray moon
Arthur hammers are not great, but Shadow Slash, Breaching, and the double dash attack are best picks
proven osprey
apparently you can get triple jab with guan yu
yes but it's garbage
rose cloud
I sometimes choose the hammer and expect for Greater Consecration
proven osprey
i'll try to make it work for fun tho
gray moon
tbh, i hate the sword, except for Arthur
rose cloud
Nemesis?
gray moon
when i unlocked the Spear, it was like night and day
gray moon
Spear is flexible, especially with Achilles
You can reliably go for Hunting Blades Duo, which is almost broken with Achilles
rose cloud
I haven't done any single clear on the spear yet 
Oh also I have a question I almost forgot: How do you guys predict the Satyr sack in the tunnels?
proven osprey
YOU CANT HAHAHA
coral cave
You dont
proven osprey
Sorry.
coral cave
It's random everytime
rose cloud
I have gotten pretty bad with my 5 consecutive runs bruh
Its always at the last tunnel
coral cave
Though a little time save trick is to go boss rooms first
proven osprey
It will never be in the first tunnel, that's it
gray moon
no sack on the first tunnel, after that its fair game
coral cave
Sometimes you'll get lucky sometimes you'll grt it on the fifth
proven osprey
iirc 2 sack is a bit above 50%
coral cave
5 sack is like 1.6% or something
gray moon
so if you pick an easier tunnel to start, you have a 50/50 of one of the hard tunnels being the sack, and thus a freebie
proven osprey
4 sack is unlikely and 5 sack is cursed
rose cloud
Bruh its always on the second to the last or at the last tunnel for me
coral cave
Don't quote me on that tho
proven osprey
Don't quote me on that tho
Seems right
gray moon
5 sack should be 25%, right?
coral cave
No
gray moon
unless the probability is actually skewed without telling the player
coral cave
If 5 sack was 25% people would be getting it a lot more
coral cave
Yeah you probably are
rose cloud
But its on my 5 consecutive runs that I always get it at the last tunnel
If not, in the second to the last
coral cave
You're just extremely unlucky
coral cave
I get 5 sacks when I'm specifically doing speedruns and I'm on pb pace
Never get it otherwise
rose cloud
5 sacks?
coral cave
Sack on last chamber
rose cloud
The 5th slot?
Oh
My best case possible would be after 5 sack is go on the miniboss
And hope for the best
And hope its not the Tiny Vermin
gray moon
oddly, the minibosses in Styx are easier than regular rooms
proven osprey
If you don't get the sack at the end, it's ok because bosses are way faster than regular rooms
gray moon
except the Vermin, of course
cloud vault
Lol I had 3 5sack and 2 4 sack out of 5 runs one time in a row.
The odds are astronomical
mental blaze
i've heard of lucksacking but this is ridiculous
slim lynx
5 sack is like 1.6% or something
damn then i must be unlucky as hell because recently i've only gotten a 5 sack on runs trying to go fast
misty turret
except the Vermin, of course
i'll appreciate tiny vermin over 10+ snakestones
mental blaze
hey which keepsake is the best one for zagreus rail
cloud vault
Zeus keepsake 😅
mental blaze
hmmm i see
generally i dont mess with those ones but i'll try it out!
cloud vault
The idea is to have lightning attack immediately.
Otherwise the Charon keepsake is pretty good for speed running.
Acorn and Spearpoint for defense.
mental blaze
is the spearpoint all that good?
dusky maple
What are the best sword builds? For me this weapon is useless, only hidden aspect has decent damage
mental blaze
is ruthless reflex good or is greater reflex objectively better or smth
cuz i run ruthless reflex
rare kindle
Poseidon sword is really good for cast builds
I like Athena cast, Artemis cast, or Poseidon cast on it
Aim for exit wounds
dusky maple
Both reflexes are good
With ruthless you aim to get more dashes from hermes
It's pretty consistent
cloud vault
2nd dash is usually better and easier.
But by all means if you prefer 1 dash ruthless is the way. Also ruthless is way better on Gilga
mental blaze
it did NOT occur to me how well divine flourish would synergize with cluster bomb wow
misty turret
protip dont take "78% more enemies spawn" with TD on
jfc i nearly timed out in tartarus
gusty dagger
How does deadly strike interact with zag bow crit chance? Is it additive or multiplicative? Like 15% of bow and 10% of artemis attack= 25% crit chance or some other value?
misty turret
pretty sure crit chance is always additive
viral star
misty turret
poor hades spear
viral star
did a tier list for fun
misty turret
did nothin wrong 
viral star
disclaimer that this is completely subjective im not here to discuss meta
opal lodge
viral star
sounds like someone who hasnt practice with guan yu enough eheheheh
i will say that without the titan's blood it sucks hard
misty turret
i just don't like GY because its slow and i'm also bad at video games and achilles is more fun
mental blaze
@spiral badge wait with mapping reload to the left trigger where do you map summon
frozen bolt
I just keep yeeting myself into certain death
Or recalling the spear when I meant to rush to it
zinc merlin
Achilles + Blade rift slaps
frozen bolt
I bet.
stiff igloo
cool
i have all keepsakes but only skelly + meg companions
i still don't know what to use of them
damage or skelly 
slim lynx
i'm trying to get friends forever but man i don't feel like using the shackle
stiff igloo
what ?
slim lynx
if you're going for a build that involves placing any 2 status curses on your enemies then go for p. status
family favourite works best if you're going for having boons from a bunch of different gods for any reason
stiff igloo
privilged satus seems SO nice but the problem is getting the 2 curses
mental blaze
i mean once you do get them it IS that nice
stiff igloo
im thinking of it like:
if i will go aphro on attack = privilged status
if i will go artemis = family favourite
cloud vault
Priv Status sucks on hard hitting weapons that just kill everything before it even matters.
It's great on some specific builds tho like Weak+Hangover Chiron
Can put in good work on Merciful End too with exposed and doom.
stiff igloo
we are talking about arthur aspect on blade
tame bison
Serrated Point plus Support Fire works and shoots 3 shots right?
cloud vault
Yea
tame bison
Ty
stiff igloo
what is serrated point
tame bison
Spear hammer
stiff igloo
triplle shot ?
cloud vault
Anyway on Arthur you don't want priv status
stiff igloo
ok
slim lynx
doesn't support fire have an internal cooldown?
mental blaze
iirc it activates on each hit of blitz disc
for casts it activates once per cast but for attacks and specials it's per hit
cloud vault
Fists and rail and get a loooot of support fire.
slim lynx
i feel like sometimes support fire can't exactly keep up with how many hits you're landing
somber fox
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667106865410474010/801501398424092692/EsM...
#chironforever
i have tried so much to switch to other aspects but i always end up attacking and pressing q
im too used to it
viral star
it's very nice!!!
somber fox
i also just love the look of it tbh
my fav thing to do in the courtyard is have every weapon match
its so satisfying
like Poseidon, achilles, zeus, chiron, talos, and lucifer
all together
works so good
its an addiction ngl
somber fox
i'm trying to get friends forever but man i don't feel like using the shackle
i just did a bunch of suicide runs for friends forever
tame bison
Shackle is honestly pretty good lol
Keep your attack blank and use it on Rama
Will be fine
slim lynx
yeah i was doing that
but then i got exclusive access and couldn't say no to heartbreak strike
i just went with the skull thingy from meg and positive outlook
wide flume
Anyone have a ||Rama|| build I can try
woven crater
Going for crits tends to work, building crit attack/weak special and going for heart rend shreds things pretty well. My builds generally look like putting a big damage multiplier on the attack and putting a synergizing status curse on the special
wide flume
I’ll try it out thanks!
Also for zag aspect on the bow does it apply crit to all attacks?
mighty ermine
Yes, specifically attacks
So specials and casts for example don't get that innate crit bonus
daring turtle
you know what would be hilarious?
Aspect of Doomslayer for the rail (as a BFG)
devout barn
I’m really digging festive fog I used to avoid Dionysus but a big bomb-like cast actually kinda slaps if you have enemies running at you from a distance and you’re using a ranged weapon like the bow shield or spear
stiff igloo
is ||charon||the hardest boss in the entire game?
i litterly lost 3 dd and still didnt beat him
jolly niche
hes tough when you fight him early
stiff igloo
in asphodel
safe yew
so how’s the aspect of lucifer? worth investment?
dry ember
yeah, you can also just unlock it
jolly niche
charons tough, but his moveset is very limited. He usually telegraphs all his moves pretty well, and you can dodge outta those oar sweeps and through those purple projectiles
dry ember
it's good at base imo
woven crater
I really like that aspect myself, but rely mostly on the attack, so I have it at level 1 still
safe yew
oh my god it’s a LASER
jolly niche
lucifer pairs well with aphrodite
if you get heartbreak strike on the beam and unhealthy fixation
whew boy
safe yew
ohh nice
misty turret
achilles spear + deadly flourish + (optionally) vicious skewer is pretty fun to mess around with
agile plover
GY feels bad, idc what anyone says >_>
boreal cradle
whats the best aspect atm ?
stiff igloo
@boreal cradle which weapon
oak raptor
hmm
wide flume
Anyone have a good build for Aspect of Zeus?
vale imp
Zeus
stiff igloo
@boreal cradle uhh i can't say anything for OVER ALL because there are 6 types of weapons and you choose to go attack or special or cast + personal prefrences
vale imp
Zeus on Zeus on Zeus
stiff igloo
but on cast i like poseidon sword on cast builds
achelis spear is very good for begginers
chiron is bad at the start but when you max it it goes from 3 arrows to 8 arrows wich is op
so maxed chiron is good
boreal cradle
is gilgamesh good ?
stiff igloo
i personnaly like it
somepeople say its slow not like other aspects of the fists
rail never plays it
vale imp
it's good for the +2 dashes
stiff igloo
ye and the thing like ares xD
boreal cradle
i see a lot of people saying guan yu is good but i just hate it
i just get destroyed every time if i up the heat
guess im just bad
stiff igloo
i HATE guan yu
boreal cradle
regarding cast builds, which boons should i try too get ?
woven crater
There are a lot of cast builds where artemis has good duos
wide flume
Seeking blade rifts is very fun
stiff igloo
festive fog for beuwolf
zeus and artemis in general
dionisus on beuwolf and maybe on hera too
woven crater
Loading aspect of hera with superbuffed seeking blade rifts melts bosses like I haven't seen anything else do
stiff igloo
Seeking blade rifts is very fun
especialy on zeus sheild and hera bow things like that that hit a ltot lol
oh wait you said seeking blade rifts not seeking arrows
my bad
boreal cradle
beowulf sounds interesting
stiff igloo
charge your 3 casts with dionisus you do 800 damage in tartarus
wide flume
I like festive fog on Beowulf
boreal cradle
dio + what else?
wide flume
Try to get Zeus and Dio
boreal cradle
okay
stiff igloo
beuwolf aim with controller is bad
when i used beuwolf is the only time i played with keyboard and mouse
dense crown
is beo even good with anything besides fog
i know with the hera bow i like using crush shot a lot
dense crown
i just dont like poseidon cast unless im going all in on poseidon
with the other slam boons its really good but otherwise its really annoying to keep knockign things away lol
but once u get like the other t2 boons on poseidon it does so much damage lol