Since I'm assuming you have no boon it's hammer start
#h1-builds-and-combat
proven osprey
spiral badge
Oh, that's a good point
I neglected that
Let's change that to 1 boon, nominal conditions
All temperatures and pressures standard
Just not at the cap
So purest selection conditions unless I'm mistaking something
spiral badge
Very well. Sorry, I get in the weeds about technical stuff lol
I think it's the fact that you can manipulate it. Drives me mad trying to understand how it works to better toy with it
eternal wasp
is rift cast any good? got it on a hera bow and starting to regret it
spiral badge
Blade rift?
proven osprey
It's terrible on Hera unfortunately
eternal wasp
yes
spiral badge
Yea sadly
eternal wasp
ill see if i can swap it out later aa
spiral badge
Unless you get really good at ricochet shots
proven osprey
and in general, I'd rather go for blade dash if I wanna blade rift
proven osprey
The cast is melee and has a casting time that leaves you way to vulnerable given the range of it
while I can just iframes things and dps at the same time
eternal wasp
how many iframes on the dash are there
proven osprey
idk
tender dome
Which gods have the strongrst legendary boons? Just the gods, not the effects so I know what to look for and still be surprised?
dry ember
Well they are all powerful and serve different purposes.
tender dome
I got aphrodite's and poseidon's but none of the others
Poseidons is free money for selling
Aphrodite is interesting but I've never seen an enemy hit another while charmed
tame bison
Poseidon has 2. One of them is powerful and the other is what I’m assuming you’re talking about.
But yeah, they’re all pretty good.
balmy portal
I was underwhelmed by Zeus
tame bison
Hmm that’s probably one of the more powerful ones. Perhaps you didn’t have the build for it
balmy portal
it just didn't hit anything ever
tame bison
Yeah I’m going to stand by you had the wrong build for it
balmy portal
fair
opal lodge
the legendary
it's 40 every time you use lightning with no cooldown that does aoe damage
tame bison
Yeah:..
balmy portal
it adds no single target damage as far as I could tell, and I was already wrecking groups
is why it probably fell flat for me
balmy portal
poorly messaged then 🙂 Or just negligible damage added on to the rest I was already doing
opal lodge
hmm
balmy portal
I want to say my method of delivery was lightning strike on knockback
so it may actually have been missing, depending on how that aims
balmy portal
realistically, 40 damage per hit extra is only a ton if you're hitting very fast
tame bison
For reference, sword dash strike does 35 damage base. So Zeus legend adds MORE than a sword dash strike to every lightning based skill
So it’s actually a ton literally all the time
But yeah, much better with something that hits fast
Like lightning strike for example
tame bison
don’t know what to tell you then
balmy portal
My builds tend to focus on one extremely hard hitting strike rather than many small ones, so I don't consider +40 damage to be massive
or even just a bunch of medium strikes
hm
no it was on the shield, zeus aspect, with thunder flourish
I simply didn't notice enemies melting faster after I added splitting bolt 🤷
are there icds involved in how often they spawn?
or could it be some interaction with how the shield special spawns its lightning strikes and the splitting bolts weren't actually hitting the original target when the shield was at the edge of the target?
if they spawn in the center of the shield they might not strike the target
(Times like this I wish there was a way to set up any combination of boons to test against Skelly 😛 )
rare kindle
Maybe Hypnos could facilitate something like that
Dream of boon combos to see if they work
balmy portal
that's a good idea; then you could dream up a few more skellies to test AoE stuff too 😄
daring turtle
tried Ares dash runs a couple times but got insanely unlucky both times. only got 2-3 ares boons both entire runs, and even after rerolling the boons, didn't get any to enhance the blades, and in both runs, couldn't get greatest reflexes from Hermes even after rerolls
thorny plume
I got more titan blood and I was thinking about going for level 3 aspect of talos
Should I?
jagged grove
I don't suggest investing into talos
unless you really like the weapon
since it's fine without titan blood
compared to things such as charon, demeter, etc.
thorny plume
Hmm I see
What other aspects are good to upgrade?
Other than talos I haven’t really taken interest in the other weapons aspsects
vale imp
Chiron, Demter, and Guan Yu all are best when fully upgraded
half crater
also hestia and chaos
crimson mango
Is Aspect of Beowulf good, and how is it best utilised, for example, with what boons and hammers
vale imp
Love it, favorite Cast Aspect
opal lodge
hello i've been paged
vale imp
Sudden Rush and Charged shot are some if its best hammers
crimson mango
I just unlocked it from Chaos
opal lodge
aphro/poseidon/dio casts are all really good
aphro/pos you run infernal
dio cast you run stygian
opal lodge
any of them you love getting mirage
vale imp
you won't even notice it
opal lodge
the +10 is only to the bull rush once loaded
not to the casts
the casts only the delivery mechanism changes
and also some of the casts are different
vale imp
no he means the 10% extra damage you receive
vale imp
which 100% you won't notice
crimson mango
the casts only the delivery mechanism changes
Still quite confused on this
fading garden
no he means the 10% extra damage you receive
Just don't get hit. Problem solved
vale imp
OK so when you have Beo equipped, all the Cast boons are changed
fading garden
Yes
vale imp
iirc i think they're all called Flares now
fading garden
Yep. I think Zeus might have a different name, but I dunno
vale imp
Not exactly
they're different from their regular casts
like Zeus isn't a chain lightning shot anymore
it's bolts
Demeter cast is a big explosion not crystal lasers
fading garden
Yeah I know. I just didn't know if it had a 'flare' name
vale imp
I'm mostly talking to Simon man
dusky relic
Are some duo boons like way more common than others?
vale imp
not exactly
i think they all have the same rarity chance but some are just easier to get compared to others
dusky relic
I'm hunting for the duos I haven't found and I'm finding that I keep getting the wrong ones, even when I have the requirements for both
unless I'm just getting bad luck
dusky relic
quite a few
I'm checking the boon list like every time I get a god to see what I should get lol
Lightning Phalanx, Merciful End, Lightning Rod, Curse of Longing, Curse of Drowning, Freezing Vortex, Unshakable Mettle
thorny plume
How do I unlock the 4th aspects?
Also is Eris worth investing in or should I go for level 2 zag
thorny plume
Really? Interesting
rare kindle
Eris is very good
thorny plume
I’ll give it a go
rare kindle
A 75% global damage buff
thorny plume
Should I go to level 2 right now or stuck with level one?
rare kindle
Level it up if you want to, you’ll get plenty of titan blood later
opal lodge
eris is amazing
echo radish
What boons are recommended with eris
I'm usually just spamming aphro special with the hammers
opal lodge
zeus attack
echo radish
Rip looks like I'll have to stop being stubborn about Zeus
sonic crypt
zeus go ⚡⚡⚡⚡v
echo radish
Dio feels really slow
Like I don't usually stop shooting people until they die and dio wants me to not shoot them after a while, which is awkward cause I can't look at the Guage and judge when to stop shooting
urban flame
they run out pretty quick, so shooting people while full keeps their stacks full is how I justify it to myself so as not to lose my rhythm
vale imp
also the hits still do their own damage so its still worth it
fading garden
DoT is just pretty bad for speedrunning
Dot?
opal lodge
damage over time
fading garden
Ah, gotcha
urban flame
Actually, Dionysus plus Aphrodite raises the stack limit to 8, which makes it a lot more appealing to fire rapidly at enemies
even on Eris aspect, people tend to hover around 6 or 7 because the stacks keep timing out
forest marsh
Low Tolerance + Curse of Nausea is probably the best you can hope for if you want Dio to feel strong
misty turret
smoldering air + dionysus' aid
is pretty strong
but that relies on getting dio, zeus, and aphro
half crater
ya'll talking dio builds and no one's mentioned black out smh
why does everyone ignore that boon
onyx silo
the shield hammer upgrade "empowering flight" reads "after your special hits, your next 2 attacks deal 80%", when it should read "after your special hits [and returns to you], your next 2 attacks deal 80%", matters because the way it is now it reads as though it'd be busted with the zeus shield ie empowering every attack while the shield spins. unsure if this hammer upgrade is meant to work the way it's worded or worded the way it works, though
coral cave
It works the way it's worded
onyx silo
nah? as it's worded, it should empower two attacks each time the zeus shield hits an enemy during flight, but currently in game it doesn't empower your attacks until the shield returns to you
static karma
I can't beat extreme measures 4 and it's so frustrating
anyone have any tips?
I lost 3 times so far
onyx silo
in the hades fight?
try to play safer and keep your distance until dodging gets easier/reflexive/you get a better 'feel' for the timings/ranges of his attacks
forest marsh
Much like the Hades fight the first go round, it's about learning the new attack patterns. You can't be as greedy with hits, so be patient and dodge effectively. Do your best to out-DPS the healing stages rather than trying to find the urns to break, unless your damage output isn't good enough (in which case EM4 is probably a bit much anyway)
static karma
yeah in the hades fight
also what are good builds
in case I have to build differently for it
coarse moss
very high damage builds. like eris with cluster bomb
personally rama is best but thats just me
forest marsh
I'd also recommend only running EM4 if you're still learning it. Some pacts are fine if they don't affect the fight, but avoid Hard Labor, Calisthenics Program, Forced Overtime, and Heightened Security for sure until you have a good grasp on the EM4 fight
coarse moss
rama with heart rend, and maybe twin shot, perfect shot hammer
forest marsh
As for builds, it's probably best if you tell us what weapon you're trying it with first. Something you're comfortable with will be better than something you aren't but that is suggested by people on Discord
static karma
Chiron
I use chiron bow
I’m only doing EM4 to learn it
I’m not doing any other heat factors
Not until after I beat it a few times
I’ll try Eris too
Since I like Eris
But yeah good builds for Eris or chiron for EM4?
Reply/ping me for suggestions
forest marsh
Reply/ping me for suggestions
Easiest Chiron build is probably Aphro on attack, Artemis on special (or vice versa, but I prefer it this way) and get Heart Rend duo. Athena dash for safety, or Hunter Dash for damage. Look for Concentrated Volley and Relentless Volley, but choose Concentrated if you have to pick between them. Try to get Chaos +%special damage
full flax
I am very curious about something regarding the Beowulf aspect
Is there any good reason why Artemis' Hunter Flare damage is super nerfed from True Shot while the other Olympians' Flares get to be equal or more to the regular Casts?
I'm especially curious since I've tried out Artemis on my Cast slot with Beowulf, and the results are extremely disappointing. Meanwhile, if I take Artemis on a Hera aspect run, it's crazy good.
coarse moss
maybe they thought a crit cast that bloodstones doesnt lodge is too stronk
half crater
the flare version is aoe rather than single target
so it’s damage is reduced
it’s actually not the worst thing you can take on beo, but it’s certainly a step down from aphro/pos/dio casts
arty cast is much better on hera for sure
cloud vault
It is downright deadly on Hera for single targets
But who cares about single targets most of the time, you want aoe too
full flax
I see
half crater
truth
full flax
It's just weird to me, since Dio's Trippy Shot does 100 damage in its base rarity, yet Trippy Flare is a direct increase in damage, with 120 damage. Like, what? Shouldn't Dio's damage be nerfed like with Artemis Hunter Flare?
This trend seems to apply to every Olympian except Artemis, too.
Oh, it seems I was mistaken. Athena's Phalanx Flare seems to have its damage nerfed from Phalanx Shot too.
half crater
trippy shot is already aoe; beo isn’t buffing it so it doesn’t need to be nerfed to make up
half crater
the reason it deals more is because of festive fog; there’s a delay before you get the cast stones back so you can’t spam it like with other casts on beo
yeah
full flax
I see, I see
Looking at the difference between the values is just very interesting to me from a game design perspective
half crater
passion flare also has reduced damage from crush shot, because the aoe is larger on beo
full flax
it's reduced damage for Common and Rare rarities, but Flare's damage starts to surpass Shot's at Epic and Heroic rarities. Very curious decision
grim dawn
So, question. Privileged Status says that when a target is afflicted with two status curses, you gain 20% damage per rank.
Weak is listed as a status curse.
Charm is listed as a status curse.
But if you have an enemy that is both weak and charmed, privileged status does not apply. Any idea why?
topaz elbow
They're from the same god?
half crater
it's reduced damage for Common and Rare rarities, but Flare's damage starts to s...
lol yeah you’re right according to the wiki, if didn’t know that
kinda weird
grim dawn
Privileged Status doesn't say different gods, it just says two different status curses.
half crater
probably a mistake, since charm is kind of a rare condition
full flax
The wiki even says as much: "Charmed does not count as a Status Curse, despite the fact that it comes from an Olympian god."
It's probably because Charmed only has a chance of happening, whereas with other Status Curses you can apply them immediately
untold vortex
the games tool tip says its a status curse though
full flax
Yeah I'd count that as a mistake too
untold vortex
aphrodite's aid is a garenteed source of charmed
full flax
The Status Curse thing
forest marsh
Could just be an oversight, yeah
full flax
Oh yeah, I forget about Aphrodite's Aid thing. Was focusing too much on her Legendary
untold vortex
or it could be 2 status curses from differant gods. since aphro is the one with two it wouldn't come up very often
half crater
does anyone know if chill + decay procs PS? that’s the only situation i can think of that’s kinda similar
dry ember
Nope
half crater
2 god theory confirmed then ig
grim dawn
it says Status Curse in the codex under Charm.
untold vortex
does anyone know if chill + decay procs PS? that’s the only situation i can thin...
decay isn't listed as a status curse, so I don't think it would
grim dawn
Would be kind of cool if you could activate privileged status with just one god.
Now I'm wondering if Charm + another god's status works, or if Charm just doesn't count.
like would Charm + Hangover work?
dry ember
Charm just doesn't count
I think from a design perspective, it makes sense that each god has one curse.
And you need 2 gods to proc PS
grim dawn
I mean yeah, but that's not what's actually happening. Aphrodite has 2 status curses.
dry ember
She doesn't
untold vortex
the only issue being Charm is explicitly listed in the codex as a status curse
grim dawn
it literally says it in the tooltip
dry ember
Weak is a status curse and charm is its own thing
dry ember
Then it's an oversight
untold vortex
so probably worth F10ing ^_^
dry ember
This isn't the first time tool tips give wrong info
SGG cleaned up some during EA
Except the menu info was added in 1.0 which means less time to catch those.
Would be my guess
grim dawn
But I think the better outcome would be to allow charm to count towards PS lol.
dry ember
Then Aphrodite would be too strong imo
Also it opens the can of worm whether or not Shared Suffering and Maim should be status curse
Or Decay
grim dawn
Shared Suffering and Maim come from weapon aspects, not boons. I could see an argument for decay, but it's more of an upgrade to Chill than its own thing
you can have access to charm without having access to Weak.
static karma
Easiest Chiron build is probably Aphro on attack, Artemis on special (or vice ve...
I'll try this, thanks!
main doesn't say "stats curse"
I don't think decay does either?
dry ember
Alright. I see your point but at least for me, I think it's more consistent and balance if Charm is its own thing. As for the tooltip, I do think it's an oversight.
dry ember
Yeah they are not status curses.
Charm is listed in the tooltip as a Status Curse despite not acting like one.
We are discussing whether or not it should.
stiff igloo
hey
grim dawn
I think making it behave like a status curse would open up a lot of interesting gameplay moments without disrupting balance of standard encounters, and makes Aphrodite's call more compelling for boss encounters.
grim dawn
love that combo
dry ember
I think making it behave like a status curse would open up a lot of interesting ...
I think enabling Charm as a status curse would erase the use of Family Favorite or most other %damage boons.
I mean Aphrodite has the highest % bonus, applies weak, and now 40% global PS damage if Charm is a curse.
grim dawn
only during charm uptime, which is not going to be anywhere near 100%
You'd basically have to throw away the idea of using a Call for anything other than messing with boss AI and getting a few seconds of PS uptime, which is at the opportunity cost of a different call, as well as the damage potential from the greater call. In pretty much every world out there, you're better off accessing PS from a different source than charm. It's more of a "if you really are desperate" kind of situation.
dry ember
I can concede to what you said somewhat regarding gameplay. What you says makes sense, but I still think it's an unnecessary change.
The idea of enabling PS with a single god just doesn't sit well with me.
Especially when the game encourages you to take different combinations of Gods.
grim dawn
See, I actually like the fact that it would enable the ability to activate PS with one god. Makes it that much more of a contrast to its counterpart, Family Favorite.
dry ember
Well thematically I don't see it that way so yeah :D I like the idea of Zagreus taking helps from different gods. I mean it's called Privilege Status, which implies that Zag is backed by many gods, not just one.
And another question is, if you want to run PS, is there a reason to not pick Aphrodite? Given how easy she can get access to curses?
grim dawn
Well I think the main thing we can agree on is that the Charm tooltip should either activate Privileged Status, or not be listed as a Status Curse. xD
Or perhaps Privileged Status should specify it needs a Status Curse from two different gods, so you could use Charm OR Weak and then a second god's curse.
dry ember
Like sure, you can pick another person to pair with her.
But is there a reason not to pick her
grim dawn
Her damage scaling is linear, so it doesn't get outsized scaling from attack speed like Zeus or have higher damage potential when stacking with other +% damage sources like Artemis does.
and while it does have Weak (and the supporting boons for it,) it doesn't give zone control like Poseidon and Demeter do.
dry ember
I'm thinking more in term of how "meta-warping" this change can be.
untold vortex
the other thing regarding weak is you get a not insignificant amount of effective hp from it
dry ember
Like if you want Aphrodite, is there a reason not to pick PS? Conversely, if you pick PS, is there a reason not to pick Aphrodite?
Maybe it won't be this dramatic, but still
Something to think about
grim dawn
Privileged Status really only shines on bosses and enemies with tons of HP, and even then it doesn't apply to their whole health bar passively like Family Favorite does.
dry ember
I'm not sure if I agree with that tbh.
untold vortex
neither, sure it's more situational but you get huuge value out of it when you build into it
dry ember
But let's just say this, you convinced me that gameplay wise, it would be an interesting change. Though for me, I would rather keep the consistency thematically that Charm shouldn't be listed or act as a Status Curse.
grim dawn
Family Favorite is basically going to be 20-35% bonus damage always. 20% on the low end, 35% if you're specifically building for it.
Privileged Status is 40% if you have the correct boons to activate two statuses (4 gods require a support boon to enable their status, Ares' status curse if very low duration and only present on his revenge, attack, and special. So at present, Aphrodite, Dionysus, and Demeter are the 'easy' gods for providing support to a privileged status build, with Ares and Artemis being the worst at it (Artemis literally can't in a 1v1 fight.)
urban flame
I think in terms of gameplay as intended, it goes go against the design of priveleged status to allow it to trigger off one god
grim dawn
Presently, Aphrodite can apply a status with her cast, dash, attack, and special. Dionysus can apply it with attack, special, dash, and call. Demeter can apply it with attack, special, cast (with a support boon,) dash, and call.
dry ember
Family Favorite is basically going to be 20-35% bonus damage always.
I think it's more like 5-10% in Tartarus, 15-20% in Asphodel, and 25-30% in Elysium onward.
Meanwhile if you pick PS you are likely to build around it. You can activate PS as soon as Chamber 2 Asphodel with 2 God Keepsakes which is the norm anyway.
urban flame
since you're already awarded for taking one god's boons repeatedly by being given buffs to relevant status effects and access to legendary boons, I think making a mirror boon that's meant to encourage making more varied builds be able to trigger off one god sort of counter to what it's about
dry ember
I think people build for PS, no one really builds for FF.
grim dawn
Unless you specifically take an Olympian keepsake in each new region, Family Favorite maxes out at 20%. You will get 4 gods unless you force a 5th into your pool with an Olympian Keepsake.
dry ember
Hermes counts for FF purposes no?
dry ember
So you get 1-3 Gods in Tartarus (though it's closer to 2 in my personal experience), Hermes + 2 more (maybe) in Asphodel, by Elysium your pool is usually "locked" if you do God/God/Defensive/Defensive so you have 5 + Hermes.
So you get
5-10% in Tartarus, 15-20% in Asphodel, and 25-30% in Elysium onward.
Now, should Hermes be counted for FF purposes?
He's a god, but he's also like a hammer.
dry ember
yeah it makes sense
grim dawn
Once you reach 4 non-hermes gods, the only way to add more to your pool is with Olympian keepsakes. Your pool is 'locked' once you have boons from 4 olympians, not when you get to Elysium. In order for an olympian keepsake to give you a 5th god in Asphodel, you need to have gotten 4 different ones in Tartarus.
dry ember
Yeah I'm aware of that pool thing.
grim dawn
so 4 + Hermes means 25%
dry ember
Ok I made a lot of assumptions in that calc
nocturne pivot
Isn't it 4 plus the keepsakes? Thus how you can do the monthly challenge for December?
dry ember
You can have more than 4 pool god under specific conditions
grim dawn
The keepsakes just force gods into your pool before the pool is finalized if you bring one before you have 4 gods.
dry ember
I know Guru, we did this calc before.
nocturne pivot
So for the challenge you don't start with a keepsake?
dry ember
Basically, the game has 4 pool god
But
If you get 3 gods before mid shop in Tartarus
One more will show in mid shop
Another will show in boss shop
forest marsh
For the monthly challenge you ideally want 5 gods by the time you clear Tartarus
Not counting Chaos/Hermes
dry ember
This lets you to have 5 (yes, 5) coming out of Tartarus
5 + 3 from forced keepsakes = 8
- Hermes of course.
This is true, as confirmed by one of the modders Ello
But getting 3 before midshop is a bit of a reset city
nocturne pivot
So the mid shop and boss shop force a new god?
nocturne pivot
That's actually really good to know
dry ember
like i said, it's a very specific "forced" scenario
nocturne pivot
Is that only tartarus or all floors?
dry ember
only tartarus
forest marsh
I believe the trick with midshop is that you have to have a god offered on the exit to the midshop and another god offered to buy at the shop as the way to gain 5
Can be the mystery bag or a defined god
grim dawn
So for example, you get Zeus, Poseidon, Ares, prior to midshop. Midshop is selling Athena, but because you only have 3, there's a potential that Dionysus could be on the door out of the Midshop
nocturne pivot
So it won't always be a new god? Cause if it is always a new god that helps with deciding on shop or other room
dense crown
god rocket bomb makes eris feel so much better
dry ember
Cluster Rocket
gusty dagger
Is there any reason to use Dark Foresight over Olympian Favor?
cloud vault
Is there any reason not to?
frozen bolt
Dark Foresight and the whole wreath thing is not well explained by the game
urban flame
wait, how good is rocket with eris?
cloud vault
It's great
frozen bolt
Main reason to use Olympian Favour instead is if you're specifically trying to farm gems rather than finish the run
gusty dagger
I'm already at that part of the game where im attempting 32 heat runs and i still did not understand what dark foresight gave i lost out on so much lmao
frozen bolt
Oh no
gusty dagger
I always left it to trash luck when comparing the amount of boons youtubers get in their runs compared to what i get lol
frozen bolt
Speaking of which, fated authority vs fated persuasion - which do you prefer?
gusty dagger
The one that changes choices of boons or charon shops, i get confused by the name
The green one
short ginkgo
who here runs with stubborn defiance?
frozen bolt
That's persuasion
short ginkgo
i don't see many streamers with it but i actually like it a lot
gusty dagger
Stubborn defiance is way better for high heat runs
Like 40+ heat
Below that then yeah i do not see much stubborn defiance
frozen bolt
Why is that? I guess in super high heat, the rooms are more dangerous than the bosses.
coral cave
higher heat means you're more likely to get hit
and since SD recharges every chamber it's alot more viable than DD
short ginkgo
stubborn defiance also lets me do really reckless stuff that wouldn't be possible otherwise
gusty dagger
That is part of it. They also have to get Lasting Consequences which means you have little to no healing, so they "heal" to half health by dying
short ginkgo
like going into a room or doing a treasure chest knowing i'll die so it resets my health
which is especially nice if i run into patroclus and can pick up some touch of styx dark
honest wadi
What’s a good build with aspect of eris?
gusty dagger
Almost everything, that aspect's got it all
honest wadi
Any recommendations on hammer upgrade?
dry ember
Cluster/Triple Bomb
Rocket Bomb
Targeting System
It's a good speedrun weapon. Just look at sppedrun.com/Hades for a bunch of runs using it.
frozen bolt
Aspect of Eris is just really strong
honest wadi
It's a good speedrun weapon. Just look at sppedrun.com/Hades for a bunch of runs...
Thanks!
honest wadi
Yeah I know the website. I tried to speedrun dark souls years ago
Didn’t end weel
Well*
dry ember
Okie, just making sure :D
gusty dagger
How does Dire misfortune interact with ares aphrodite duo boon?
honest wadi
Is cold fusion a good duo boon?
gusty dagger
If you build around dio cast yes
Combine it with scintillating feast and ice wine and you got yourself a godlike build
frozen bolt
Do people run the mirror upgrade that gives more duo and legendary boons, or the epic rarity one?
slim lynx
cold fusion is good with thunder strike
you can also use it to proc p.status easily which is a bonus
slim lynx
Do people run the mirror upgrade that gives more duo and legendary boons, or the...
depends on what build you're going for
hoary slate
How does Dire misfortune interact with ares aphrodite duo boon?
Dire Misfortune makes the doom bigger and as it procs you get a new one with half the damage
slim lynx
i almost always run gods' legacy because i always wanna get duo boons
honest wadi
i almost always run gods' legacy because i always wanna get duo boons
Is it worth it?
Sure it’s expensive
frozen bolt
How do you know what build you're going for before you even start the run?
slim lynx
yeah
mellow geyser
What is olympian favor max level? +10%?
slim lynx
all of them are really but you should prioritize getting greater reflex and maxing out death defiance
slim lynx
How do you know what build you're going for before you even start the run?
depends on the weapon
gusty dagger
Dire Misfortune makes the doom bigger and as it procs you get a new one with hal...
So you lose out when you have curse of longing and dire misfortune combined? You only get half-strength dooms?
short ginkgo
max out death defiance or just use stubborn defiance 
honest wadi
all of them are really but you should prioritize getting greater reflex and maxi...
I already have them maxed. Should ininvest in that?
slim lynx
I already have them maxed. Should ininvest in that?
yeah it's worth it, but you're gonna wanna be actively trying to get duo boons or legendaries for it to work. you can check the codex at any time outside of encounters
dry ember
Yeah but they are asking if Longing damage is increased because you add more damage to Doom due to Dire Misfortune.
honest wadi
yeah it's worth it, but you're gonna wanna be actively trying to get duo boons o...
Once i have the “required” boons for a duo. Is it just luck to find it?
dry ember
Yup
slim lynx
yeah
gusty dagger
Longing just gives you a second extra proc
Doesnt longing continually doom the oppponent as long as it has weak effect?
slim lynx
pretty much
once you have the prerequisites for a duo/legendary it's just a matter of hoping either god gives it to you
honest wadi
once you have the prerequisites for a duo/legendary it's just a matter of hoping...
Okok thanks
Is dioniso any good on anything? Correct me if I’m wrong it seems to be pretty useless
gusty dagger
It is on high rate of fire weapons such as rail or fists
slim lynx
dio is good with fast weapons like fists since it stacks quickly
slim lynx
dio on chiron isn't bad but there are definitely better options
yeah festive fog is great
honest wadi
Is festive fog good on aspect of hera?
short ginkgo
dionysus has some really good utility boons
strong drink is great if you get it early on
slim lynx
strong drink is great
short ginkgo
it makes me sad when i see it in styx
honest wadi
strong drink is great
Is is the one that restores all@your health at fountain?
short ginkgo
also gives you bonus damage
gusty dagger
dio on chiron isn't bad but there are definitely better options
oh i was under the impression that it's really good. what special boons are better?
short ginkgo
which i'd argue is the more important effect
slim lynx
especially if you get it early because by the time you get to the final boss you'll have accumulated a pretty decent damage boost from fountains
short ginkgo
i think you could hypothetically have it proc seven or eight times if you get it in the first few rooms and are lucky with fountain spawns?
dry ember
oh i was under the impression that it's really good. what special boons are bett...
Lightning Flourish helps. Though I think Artemis is optimal
short ginkgo
the epic version gives +5% each time so that adds up to a pretty significant bonus
i love stacking lightning synergies honestly
it's just fun
gusty dagger
Lightning Flourish helps. Though I think Artemis is optimal
Lightning flourish is bad on chiron. Lightning procs have internal cooldown so you only proc it once or twice every special
dry ember
I'm well aware of the icd
It procs more oftem than that
It used to be better but it's still really good
But as I said, Artemis is perhaps optimal
untold vortex
the icd doesn't make it bad on chiron, it just makes it the not go to option
honest wadi
For chiron what’s the best aspect?
dry ember
Erm Chiron?
dry ember
Chiron is the best Chiron aspect yeah
short ginkgo
what's your favorite gauntlet? mine is definitely talos
coarse moss
Chiron is the best Chiron aspect yeah
what if chiron was actually not the best at chiron
short ginkgo
though gilgamesh is pretty fun too, with the extra dashes
honest wadi
Yeah i wrote that wrong
coarse moss
coarse moss
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well i mean, chiron the centaur didnt kill hades like zagreus did. clearly there's someone better at the chiron aspect
ok sorry for derailing
dry ember
There was a period where Hestia Rail was a better bow than Zag Bow lol
untold vortex
Hestia rail is still an incredible shotgun :3
coarse moss
railgun
untold vortex
zag bow is now not a worse Hestia rail
dry ember
Praise be 1.0 and the post launch balance update
proven osprey
Zag bow is really good now
short ginkgo
what companions do ya'll run with?
i've been using dusa
tbh mostly because i think her floating around the battlefield while shouting encouragement is adorable
dry ember
Meggggg
frozen bolt
I actually don't have any companions yet
short ginkgo
hades should have a hug button like in spiritfarer
i want to hug dusa every time she shows up
short ginkgo
yes your honorary dads appear
hoary slate
Doesnt longing continually doom the oppponent as long as it has weak effect?
as long as there's weak it should deal another half of the previous doom after another 1.1 sec but who waits for so long?
analog apex
what's your favorite gauntlet? mine is definitely talos
Mine is talos as well,though zagreus + hermes feather and auto evade boon seem like a good afk combo as well. Put athenas godly dash and Daedalus sturdy while attacking boon on top and you’re practically invincible
uneven rain
What’s best fist aspect
heady peak
any advice for 40+ heat arthur? I almost succeeded once but forgot to use meg
short ginkgo
do what you did when you almost succeeded but use meg
grizzled oyster
What’s best fist aspect
I like Demeter aspect the most, but all are good in a way.
tender ivy
How does Hermes' Swift flourish work? Does it only boost the cast time of your special?
I'm wondering how it interacts with aspect of Zeus. Will it make the shield spin faster, therefore increase damage rate?
coral cave
Nah it just makes the shield go faster
uneven rain
Been using max upgraded zagreus aspect fists with feather keepsake, very op
slim lynx
so generally it's better with chaos
tender ivy
So it doesn't make you cast/throw it faster?
slim lynx
doesn't special on zeus shield just activate immediately
no wind-up and you can even do it while running
tender ivy
Ah yeah, you right.
uneven rain
I don’t like the shields special
tender ivy
I'll be on the lookout for that boon when using chaos shield then.
tame bison
@tender ivy Zeus shield I hate with Hermes special. It moves much faster which is annoying to me bc when it goes slowly it procs a lot more on the same monster
slim lynx
shield special on aspect of chaos though is 😩 👌
tender ivy
^
hot crane
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1776074965215438385/D6A7604A142FC9829C129C491084289A0228DF2D/ first EM4 clear 👏
slim lynx
man i gotta try out hera
hot crane
It's so strong
slim lynx
maybe greater recall will be actually good for once
tame bison
Grats
hot crane
I grabbed recall in Styx and it worked out real well, not having to navigate through dad's BS
tame bison
You really should take off ||HS. There are like 10 better options for 1 Heat||
But to each their own
I think it’s HS? The lock. Not positive
tame bison
Underworld customs is pretty easy 2 Heat
hot crane
I got spooked when I got buzzsawed in Styx but this run it worked out
slim lynx
td1/mm/bp1 go better with extreme measures
slim lynx
yeah heightened security is... scary
hot crane
I forgot the pots were affected
tame bison
You could put 1 into Hard labor and I bet 20% bonus dmg over the whole run is less dmg than if you accidentally hit 1 pot or 1 Styx trap
coral cave
HS is absolutely not worth the 1 heat imo
The traps do absolutely bull rap damage for 1 heat
slim lynx
hs is only one heat???? lmao
you're telling me i can get oneshotted by a jar for one extra heat point
tame bison
Yeah
coral cave
Yep
tame bison
And they chose that over...anything else
coral cave
It needs to be like 3 heat or something
tame bison
People don’t turn on HS til like 45 plus heat lol
hot crane
I just kinda like the challenge lol :p but yeah, the math about hard labour is a good point
tame bison
I mean it’s good practice avoiding traps too.
To each their own 🙂
Underworld customs is worth turning on to start getting used to. It’s not bad
hot crane
Ive done one run with it, I was surprised by how painless it is
urban flame
I have an easier time on myself losing a death defiance to tough enemies than I do to losing one because I wasnt careful with traps
coral cave
Whenever I turn underworld customs on I somehow get like 2 boons in tartarud
Never again
crimson mango
currently I have zeus on attack, I have 3 hammers to choose from
bull rush, pulverizing blow and charged shot
not sure who to go with
vale imp
And the high base damage for the rush itself is great
silk knot
I've been using Stubborn Defiance since I got it, but now that I'm getting a lot better at the game I was thinking about switching it to Death Defiance
What do most people use?
hot crane
Death Defiance
coral cave
Most people use DD unless you're doing high heat
hot crane
For stubborn defiance, you need to die at least 3 times for it to have been worth it, but each of those deaths you got -20% hp
silk knot
Most people use DD unless you're doing high heat
Yeahhh that's what I gathered, and I'm currently only doing like 6 heat
silk knot
For stubborn defiance, you need to die at least 3 times for it to have been wort...
Yeah that's a fair way to look at it actually, thanks
was always just unsure because stubborn defiance seemed amazing when I was struggling to get to hades, but now I can get to him without dying so I'll swap to DD
urban flame
sounds sensible!
silk knot
Yeah, thought DD wasn't that strong but it's so good now that I've got enough darkness to have it maxed out
hot crane
And sometimes Pat shows up and saves your run, Athena can give a defy, you can buy them in wells
Little upsides here and there, in a pinch
silk knot
Yeah it's good being able to get them from wells
coral cave
Doesn't proc everytime because of cooldown so not really
coral cave
Ok
coral cave
I'm not sure how many times it activates cause I've never used it
regal garden
ill just go dionysus
coral cave
But I just know it doesn't activate every hit
coral cave
Yeah dio's probably the better choice
hot crane
Proc stands for "programmed random occural chance", originally used in situations where there is a chance something occurs - hades example; artemis crits
Now people just use it to mean "active" or "triggers"
coral cave
Nah pretty sure it's short for proc-activate
coral cave
Good job
leaden bay
Has anyone been able to make a power shot based bow build work well? (especially in terms of speed) Seems the better builds often take hammers that remove power shot but I really like dashing around and power shotting things. 😄
leaden bay
I haven't used Hera but isn't that a more casting bow?
I've been trying to do that on Zag since it gets crits.
Hera is the superior bow iirc but again more about casts.
leaden bay
Ah, hmm. Maybe I should try Hera. 😄
regal garden
you load your casts up then release massive chunks of damage with shots
retrieve casts
rinse repeat
i think thats the idea t least
that was what i did in my hera run
coarse moss
so it only activates once
apparently zeus flourish hit 3 times during chiron special
regal garden
ok dont
read my nickname please
also how many arrows is that with my chiron is level 3
coarse moss
at max level that is
if thunder flourish common, thats like 90 extra damage. not bad, with jolted
regal garden
please odnt ping though
coarse moss
how about replies then :p
regal garden
you can reply without pinging
coral cave
She just says that to not scare anyone
balmy portal
tbh it's a public service to explain how to reply without pinging. Discord messed up the interface on that one. You have to click the little @ON on the right side of the reply header to turn off replies
and it's Every Single Time
regal garden
yeah tbh
i wasn't even aware of it until a few days ago
you could reply without pinging
balmy portal
I only learned when someone asked me to not ping them and explained how 😛
my understanding is thunder flourish has just a cooldown between strikes, so it depends how long the special's attacks take to land how many times it will hit
coral cave
Thunder flourish doesn't have a cooldown on rama but it does on chiron
coarse moss
heart rend chiron is the most powerful im sure. im not so sure about dionysus dps. but thunder flourish chiron, with jolted, double strike, and zeus legendary, seems hard to beat
gusty rapids
it has an internal cool down but Rama isn’t fast enough to hit that time
chiron’s special is though
since it has more arrows hitting an enemy within a super small time frame
^this is regarding zeus bolts
balmy portal
it seems like chiron only strikes once for its entire special
balmy portal
pretty sure rama fires at least two of its arrows within the time of chiron firing all of its
unless chiron is effectively instant and just locks you in the same length animation
gusty rapids
im not too sure abt the specific details w this unfortunately, that’s about as much as I know
coarse moss
as i said, it hits 3 times. if we consider chiron special base damage, it does 80 per volley. 3 thunder flourishes(common) is 90. more than double the base damage
balmy portal
yes
wait
...no
pretty sure I tested and a point blank rama gets one thunder flourish
coarse moss
yeah im pretty sure my rama did only 1 flourish too
balmy portal
not rama sorry, chiron
oh
nevermind I'm getting my bows mixed up....
zagreus is the one that I thought should strike a bunch of times but only did one
even point blank
Chiron the arrows can take quite a while to hit depending on their initial arc, yeah it should hit a few times
rotund lily
What's the deal with the circle indicator for Hades's spin attack? Why is it so much smaller than the attack itself? Always throws me off
coarse moss
What's the deal with the circle indicator for Hades's spin attack? Why is it so...
just run
crimson mango
Chiron the arrows can take quite a while to hit depending on their initial arc, ...
Is Chiron better than Rama ?
balmy portal
they're very different playstyles
rotund lily
What would be a good approach to a silly only-dashing build?
coarse moss
chiron has homing and so its safer and easy. rama is extremely high damage. learn power-shot if you want to use it well
rare kindle
Probably splash dash
You can no longer get sea storm through just the dash anymore but it still does a lot
rotund lily
I've had a couple of runs where by the end my dash was crazy strong. One was poseidon and one was zeus
rare kindle
Yeah, I got Zeus dash on a lark to enable lightning phalanx once but I got so much Zeus by the end of it that it had a lot of damage too
coarse moss
gilgamesh gives you extra dashes. the maim effect improves dash damage too
rotund lily
So Sea Storm isn't unlocked by the dash, but if I get it anyway would it still proc off the dash?
coarse moss
yes
nimble anvil
Hmmm, would a 30% nourished soul healing increase do anything for the 2 healing you get from cursed slash?
coarse moss
dont know. maybe you could do the science and tell me lol
tame bison
2*0.3 is 0.6 so you’re either going to get 1 more health or zero.
Depends if game rounds
forest marsh
The game doesn't round on the back end, only on what is displayed to the player
slim lynx
how does curse of longing and merciful end interact with each other?
fading garden
If they do interact with eachother, I imagine the doom stays after you proc it with deflect
As long as the enemy is weakened of course
hybrid idol
IM trying to beat the game which each weapon but idk how t use chiron bow
currently i only hav enough titan blood that it does 3 hits
mental blaze
doesn't it start at 4?
fading garden
Dio or Artemis are good ways to go
hybrid idol
Dio or Artemis are good ways to go
ok ill look out for them
not sure if i have their keepsakes yet
if not ill use a different weapon
and unlock the keepsake
fading garden
Well, may be worth getting the practice regardless
I personally enjoy having poseidon on the special.
That with rupture is super silly
fading garden
It's very meme-y, but it is a lot of fun for sure
fading garden
Oh for sure! Try poseidon attack on the Hades spear.
You'll thank me later 😆
fading garden
It slaps! I highly recommend it
I was wanting to do it as a meme, but it is surprisingly good
urban flame
Does the push go outwards or sundialwise?
fading garden
Outwards
urban flame
n i c e
fading garden
Yea. Just add breaking wave to that and it's a match made in heaven
jagged grove
Guys have any weapon/aspexts/builds i can try out?
urban flame
If you're bold, Serrated Point hammer on the Achilles spear with say, Zeus or Athena on Attack is fun
I have yet to try out divine flourish on zeus shield
theoretically could be fun as well
fading garden
Guys have any weapon/aspexts/builds i can try out?
Hangover with Hestia.
Hangover is great because you not only get the burst damage, but you have uses for the rest of the clip. It is also AMAZING with bad influence.
Go for curse of nausea if you can
misty turret
aspect of lucifer, ares attack, dire misfortune, aphro special, curse of longing
urban flame
Oh lucifer with zeus special instantly ignites the hellfire orbs
(if an enemy is close enough to trigger lightning that is)
tame bison
Hangover Hestia sounds odd. The “use for the rest of your clip” is pressing R, shooting one shot, repeat
You never shoot the whole clip with Hestia
fading garden
Hangover Hestia sounds odd. The “use for the rest of your clip” is pressing R, s...
Don't knock it until you try it
tame bison
I mean it runs counter to the whole aspect so I’ll pass. It’s cool you enjoy it tho
fading garden
Okee doke
tame bison
Sorry that whole string was probably unnecessarily rude. My apologies.
fading garden
No worries. I like to experiment and this is a build I was particularly surprised by. I definitely encourage for others to at least try it.
urban flame
I trust any artemis rail build implicitly, because Support Fire on it is too satisfying
serene zealot
Support Fire is just useful to have whenever tbh, extra chip damage can't hurt
fading garden
It really does shine with rail though. That is for sure
serene zealot
Yeah
urban flame
the game conspires to keep it from me when Im on either the rail or Chiron bow
serene zealot
Or Chiron with the bow
urban flame
the beauty of artemis special on chiron being followed by support fire arrows?
Unmatched.
jagged grove
should I try out hera bow?
urban flame
Hera bow is good fun! I think Dio cast is good with it?
serene zealot
If you go Hera bow, stay away from Demeter cast
It's an odd setup, so I'd recommend a easier to use cast for trying the aspect out
serene zealot
Artemis cast is good too
urban flame
Actually, is Stygian better for hera?
fading garden
Not necessarily. Infernal soul gives you extra burst damage
urban flame
yeah I LOVE the burst damage
if you manage to get the artemis legendary though, extra casts plus stygian can be really destructive
fading garden
I personally like stygian soul with achilles
urban flame
yeah I like not worrying about grabbing bloodstones with a lot of the more hack and slash weapons
serene zealot
artemis legendary, plus an extra cast boon from Chaos is great
fading garden
Plus, if you go crystal beam, you net more crystals with stygian than infernal
urban flame
It seems like a lot of hassle to set up crystals with infernal
Gosh okay I need to try a Stygian Artemis Hera run
I want the super one-shot arrow
fading garden
Artemis legendary feels like one of the toughest to get.
serene zealot
I haven't tried Stygian yet tbh, I forget to cast a lot, is it better then Infernal on some builds?
urban flame
I think it definitely is
tame bison
Hera bow is great
fading garden
I haven't tried Stygian yet tbh, I forget to cast a lot, is it better then Infer...
On some yes. I prefer stygian with dio, ares, and demeter's casts
urban flame
When you're running a build that doesnt want to cast a lot having it at your disposal whenever you please allows you to cast without losing your rhythm
so you can benefit from boiling blood or abyssal blood
urban flame
I have to remember to switch back to infernal to beo or hera
fading garden
Also, getting +1 cast from chaos is huge with stygian soul!
urban flame
extra casts in stygian is a game changer though!
lots of rng and gambling
I guess Hera stygian before extra casts can play safely
just get to chaos whenever you can to try and turn on sicko mode
until then, just camp people with burst damage you don't need to play fetch over
Oh dumb build I had was "spin to win!"
slicing shot + Zeus shield
Just go big on all the ares blade rift boons, maybe dio or zeus on special
serene zealot
The Ares - Artemis duo boon could be good with that
fading garden
Crush shot
opal lodge
artemis cast is also very easy to build
sterile root
crush shot is very short range
opal lodge
lol
fading garden
So what?
opal lodge
start arty cast and then go poseidon to force mirage shot
sterile root
nothing just saying
opal lodge
or start flood shot and then go arty to force mirage shot
sterile root
any good duo with crush?
fading garden
Heart rend
sterile root
ill try flood too @opal lodge
fading garden
Parting shot could also be good
sterile root
ok ill try @fading garden thanks
demeter and dynosis is not good with posiden right?
fading garden
Good luck!
Not really. They get extra cast damage, but not sure if that's worth with poseidon
fading garden
You bet!
Also, exit wounds is a superior boon for Poseidon
If you can get it, get it
tame bison
Is your sword...long range?
Cause unless you aren’t using the sword at all, you will conveniently be in range for Crush Shot. Surprise.
opal lodge
you want to weave in normal sword combos with your casts
leaden bay
Eris?
urban flame
so, best backstab sword build?
opal lodge
arthur shadow slash deadly reversal with exposed
slim lynx
https://i.imgur.com/sNWfQ7M.png
i got that once. it was powerful
tame bison
Double checking: with hunter dash and aphro strike and Pressure points, my only source of crit is the pressure points? Like...heartrend almost isn’t that good here if that’s the case
frigid pewter
Sorry forgot
rare kindle
i don't think you'll get offered heart rend if your only source of crit is pp
frigid pewter
Does rocket bomb mess up eris
forest marsh
Nope, still works fine
Possibly even better, in my opinion
Because you don't have to wait for your special to land, you can just point-blank blast foes to proc it
tame bison
@rare kindle sorry I have Artemis cast so I did get offered heart rend. I just don’t care about it haha
Don’t care about the dmg onto the cast I mean
So heartrend effectively only boosts the 4% crit off PP
serene zealot
That was fun, gave stygian soul a try with hera bow, frost strike, flood shot, blizzard shot, and an extra cast from chaos.
Oh and a hermes boon that shortened the cast regen time to 2.26 seconds
fading garden
https://i.imgur.com/sNWfQ7M.png
You didn't use your call much, did you?
misty turret
stiff igloo
are the 4th aspects worth it?
robust anchor
fervent elbow
The bow and shield hidden aspects are strong
regal garden
if anyones wants to see a disgusting chiron run check #h1-victory-boasting
i'm genuinely upset about it
abstract flower
What boons go great with Aspect of Hades?
proven osprey
Deadly strike, serrated point/exploding launcher as hammers, heart rend
abstract flower
and for special?
random saffron
Idk about any specific boons, but the Quick Spin hammer upgrade is pretty useful for aspect of hades.
rare kindle
Does hera bow still backstab from the front with athena cast?
random saffron
I believe so
real kernel
I just got two Duo Boons at once
One of them is the one I was going for, though
I want to see how Blizzard Shot plays with the Aspect of Hera
proven osprey
it's nice
glacial delta
Anyone know with the Artemis Exit Wounds boon, does stacking more bloodstone in 1 enemy do more damage?
proven osprey
Yes
random saffron
Yep
gusty dagger
How does curse of drowning play with hera bow?
glacial delta
nice nice ty
rare kindle
Wiki says curse of drowning is incompatible with Hera bow
gusty dagger
Oh i see thanks haha
abstract flower
For Poseidon and Exit Wounds, should I be using Infernal Soul instead of Stygian Soul?
real kernel
Blizzard Shot felt terrible with Aspect of Hera. Maybe it was just my specific build
I ended up purging it
fading garden
I want to see how Blizzard Shot plays with the Aspect of Hera
Not a fan honestly. It can be a pain to chase down the blood stones from blizzard shot and doing that with hera is just an extra chore. I really don't like it.
real kernel
It just continues on from the point it hit, rather than dealing massive damage like Flood Shot
I had Auto-Reload, too
fading garden
I prefer blizzard shot on literally any other weapon
real kernel
It isn't available on Aspect of Beowulf, right?
Since Flood Shot technically isn't available for it?
fading garden
No it is not
real kernel
What about Aspect of Poseidon? I feel like it would be pretty bad there too
fading garden
Aspect of Poseidon is extra cast damage. It's not necessary and doesn't really utilize Poseidon's main mechanic, but it works
real kernel
It's great as a fire-and-forget sort of thing, which works with most builds. But it doesn't have the DPS for cast-centric builds
fading garden
Since blizzard shot is affected by your flood shot upgrades, it is a really good duo
It's definitely not one I'd recommend with hera though
real kernel
Unlike Auto-Reload, which is ridiculously good
abstract flower
Is there a way to semi-control what hammer upgrades you get?
real kernel
Not within the realm of intended game mechanics
You can disqualify some of the upgrades by picking incompatible ones and such, but that barely counts
It's one of the only sources of RNG in the game that cannot be bent to your will somehow
Fitting, given there's an accompanying ironic tribute to the Fates
Auto-Reload can be sort of awful on many builds in my opinion, as you generally want to keep Boiling/Abyssal Blood active for as long as possible.
fading garden
How does crystal beam work with hera bow?
real kernel
I am basically certain it is incompatible
The wiki and in-game Codex don't say so, though…
Based on Blizzard Shot's behavior, I imagine it deploys at the point where your attack hits?
fading garden
If that is the case, I have an experiment I want to try
real kernel
That sounds pretty much irrelevant to me, though
It'd basically play like normal
And you'd have been better off with Aspect of Zagreus, which is objectively better than not using an Aspect's mechanics
rare kindle
Are you talking about casts drop out of enemies faster or you generate casts faster?
fading garden
Oh, you're probably not talking to me then.
rare kindle
Yeah, quick reload is good for cast builds, bad if you just want to enable boiling blood incidentally
real kernel
I've come to appreciate Infernal Soul, since I often use Casts in bursts to set up attacks on tough enemies
fading garden
Quick reload is very beneficial with stygian soul
fading garden
Huh?
rare kindle
I still had nectar active from Eurydice and hermes’ boons didn’t look that good to me since I already had my other guaranteed hermes so I rerolled it and got quick reload
real kernel
Auto Reload is the one for Stygian Soul, Quick Reload is the one for Infernal Soul
fading garden
The one that gives me casts faster is very nice for stygian soul.
For infernal soul, I am a personal fan of rapid succession
rare kindle
It still feels like it takes long for casts to drop if you’re using Hera bow
real kernel
Not with Quick Reload, it doesn't!
rare kindle
I didn’t know what I was looking for since you can’t get flurry cast with Hera but quick reload made it so much better
real kernel
In the recent AGDQ stream, one of the commentators said that they consider the Aspect of Hera the most mechanically-intensive (or something like that) Aspect in the game.
rare kindle
I’d have taken a move speed bonus but the odds of me getting a third hermes in Styx for rush delivery were not great
real kernel
I have to agree. Once I realized that I should be rationing out my Bloodstones to just one-shot things, it became a lot more fun
Flurry Cast feels sort of mediocre to me.
Even on Cast builds.
rare kindle
Aspect of Hera feels nice since you can oneshot things but you have to be careful about where your casts land and how many to use at once
real kernel
It's good with the Aspect of Poseidon, but otherwise cast speed rarely feels like the limiting factor
dry ember
Stygian is good for non lodging stuff like Blade Rift, Crystal Beam, and Trippy Shot
Otherwise, Infernal tends to be easier to use
real kernel
I choose between Infernal Soul and Stygian Soul based on my Aspect, since I can't control my Boons pre-run.
rare kindle
Yep, and using Stygian means chance of hermes’ legendary, bad news, casts do more damage if there aren’t any casts lodged
fading garden
Bad news is a beautiful boon
real kernel
If I think my combat flow will involve some time between casts, I choose Stygian. Otherwise I choose Infernal.
dry ember
Good news is when you get Bad News
real kernel
I mainly use Stygian Soul with Exagryph, since its combat flow lends itself to casting while you are reloading and waiting for your special to land
rare kindle
I turned down a Zeus legendary and took his call instead because I don’t primarily use my attack for damage
Not with Hera
real kernel
Not every Exagryph aspect, of course
fading garden
Tbh, I barely think about my cast with exagryph
rare kindle
I feel like Eris is supposed to be the cast aspect but I think of it as the special aspect
real kernel
Exagryph's delays make it great for casting
Eris definitely isn't a cast aspect
It has nothing to recommend it for that over the rest
fading garden
I can see zeus cast being nice with Eris
real kernel
Really? Why Electric Shot specifically?
fading garden
Because that damage is going to hit multiple enemies
rare kindle
Rail has no obvious cast aspects
real kernel
I'm a big fan of True Shot, since I can fire it really fast without worrying about actually lining up much of a shot
If the aspect doesn't mention Bloodstones or Cast, it isn't a cast aspect
fading garden
Well... Extra global damage is prime real estate for a cast build
rare kindle
That’s why it’s the speed runners choice
real kernel
Eris + Hazard Bomb is literally the worst synergy in the game
rare kindle
You can apparently iframe through the hazard bomb and have it still count for the buff
real kernel
It might be the only synergy that is objectively harmful
rare kindle
I don’t know why that combo is even allowed together
real kernel
You can apparently iframe through the hazard bomb and have it still count for th...
Oh god, really?
rare kindle
That’s what I heard but I haven’t tested it out myself
real kernel
I don’t know why that combo is even allowed together
I think it is just funny. Unless you have Approval Process 2, in which case it really really isn't
rare kindle
I feel like that’s too finicky for anyone but the most skilled to try, and that point, why not use a better combo?
real kernel
I think they only rule out combos that are either massively overpowered (Point-Blank Shot + Sniper Shot) or fundamentally incompatible (Infernal Soul + Auto Reload)
They made Transistor, balancing Boon combos is probably old hat for them
Especially with community feedback
proven osprey
Oh god, really?
Yes
real kernel
That feels inconsistent, but oh well
mental blaze
something i gotta say i really like is blitz disc + curse of pain
regal garden
i think you really need
uh
dire misfortune for it to work tbh though
like without it
frosty jasper
Hunting blades is like really good
And @mental blaze I find blitz disk and hunters flourish really good
Rapid hits like crits
real kernel
Hey, are you allowed to commit suicide by Hazard Bomb after beating Hades?
frosty jasper
Wdym
real kernel
Can you die by bombing yourself after the Victory screen?
real kernel
Even with Hazard Bomb?
I'm pretty sure there's only a short period of invulnerability after completing an Encounter
After that point, every source of damage is fair game
Lava, Phoenix Eggs, Hazard Bomb (Yes, I did that to myself post-encounter once)
But after the Victory screen, there is normally no source of damage. Except Hazard Bomb, potentially
It is literally impossible for a Chaos curse to last through the Hades fight, by design.
As far as I know, Hazard Bomb is the only other way to directly damage yourself.
coral cave
you can't get damaged by hazard bomb after the victory screen iirc
real kernel
I figured, but it was worth asking