h1-builds-and-combat

[fair cairn]

both are good, depends on your build

[swift patio]

^

[slim lynx]

which curses are best for p.status?

[proven osprey]

I'd say curses that don't require t2 boons

Weak, Chill

[fair cairn]

aphro, dio, ares, demeter

[proven osprey]

^

[swift patio]

I love hangover and weak

Or doom and weak

[fair cairn]

zeus requires jolted, artemis requires hunter's mark, athena requires exposed

if you are targeting a build that can get those two just from Tartarus, or early asphodel, pick Pstatus

[proven osprey]

But anyway

Zeus wants jolted everytime

[swift patio]

Yes

[proven osprey]

so it would be ok to consider PS I guess

[slim lynx]

i feel like weak + chill is the most consistent combo

apply weak with special and chill with attack

[fair cairn]

weak + doom is also good

since you get curse of longing down the line

[swift patio]

Yeah

[slim lynx]

curse of longing is nice

[swift patio]

I like hangover and weak because more dps

I did it with chiron

[fair cairn]

that is definitely ideal for chiron

[slim lynx]

i like how in some cases you can apply two curses at once, you can get tempest flourish, then rupture, sea storm and jolt to immediately active p.status

cold fusion would be goated

[proven osprey]

Yeah 2 curses in one move is fun

[fair cairn]

my last run was a super casual EM3 run trying to get 30 butterfly and I ended up with jolted+aphro special+sweet surrender

demeter special hits for 1K + without crit, it was nice af

[swift patio]

Damn nice

[turbid needle]

for zagreus fists aspect, it is a must the Hermes keepsake?

I need so bad Artemis attack but to stack dodge % I have to stick with Hermes keepsake

[slim lynx]

highly recommended but i doubt that the plume is an absolute must for zag fists

in that case you might as well be using other aspects

[regal garden]

its

a good combo but you can def

use other keepsakes

but it probably has the most synergy

with the zag fists

if you don't want to just run a solid fists build

[slim lynx]

unrelated but plume is also a nice syngergy with zag sword

you can get the boon that makes you deal more damage depending on your movement speed

[scenic oracle]

what boons for guan yu?

[spiral badge]

thicc attack

thicc special

[scenic oracle]

[spiral badge]

don't really want to mess around with curse damage too much

GY is all about that fat %

so your aphro's, athena's demeters etc

arty too

the thiccer a weapon is the thiccer boons it calls for

rail little hits, tick-damage like zeus/demeter/dio best

GY and for instance Arthur thicc hits, thicc % increases like aphro/athena/arty/demeter again best

cast is up to you but i would avoid?? aphro cast with GY. too close-range. demeter cast maybe good with GY? feels like GY is played more stationary than some aspects so staying closer to your blood stones might be nice

and you can get the T2 to apply lots of chill to slow enemies for fat spins

[scenic oracle]

am i supposed to be using the spin a lot?

[spiral badge]

i do, but i am no GY specialist. I hear people rave about what the skewer, especially the charged one, can do

but ive never gotten charged skewer with GY

that said spin is heals and great damage if you have good attack %, so if you come across the quick-spin hammer congratulations, you are now at least partially a spinny boi

That i can tell you first-hand

max quickspin GY is quite powerful

[scenic oracle]

i just had the choice to get the charged one but i picked the quicker spin

[spiral badge]

well

you just chose between great and godly

so no real letdown

go play beyblade

[nimble plank]

tried the cast build i got recommended earlier
unlucky with boons + too little dps for me sadly

[agile plover]

Forced Overtime on paper sounds like free heat to me 🤔

Well. FO1 sounds free. FO2 does not XD

[flat garden]

does piercing wave get affected by boons that increase attack dmg?

[turbid needle]

One friend says the spear Aspect of Hades is the worst melee aspect of the game

what do you think? I've been using it and it doesn't feel that bad

[regal garden]

its my favourite spear

[coral cave]

I like it quite a bit

Don't get why people hate it so much

[eternal wasp]

that sword hammer that makes you leap forwards when specialing nearly killed my run

it it not fun to jump into lava

[slim lynx]

aspect of hades is nice

it has more range and makes enemies take more damage so you can just hold it for like a quarter of a second and then enemies within a relatively large radius will now take more damage

[coral cave]

It's good to use when enemies are spawning in

And enemies take a ton of damage after they get hit by it

[slim lynx]

you can also upgrade it

and enemies just take massive damage apparently

i wonder how viable a 'spin attack' build could be

there are hammers for the spin attack after all

[coarse moss]

the huge spin is nice but then youre ignoring 150% bonus damage that last 10 secs

[scenic oracle]

which weapon has aspect of hades?

shield?

[coarse moss]

spear

[coarse moss]

achilles, on the other hand, will buff its spin by 150%. massive spin hammer, adds another 125%

[fickle totem]

has anyone managed to achieve 100% dodge chance so far? is it even possible?

[keen mesa]

of course

15% from fists, ~30% from plume, 30%+ from after call, 20% from hermes dodge, 50% from ruthless reflex

that's 145%

[fickle totem]

so then nothing at all can damage you?

[jagged grove]

For like 10 seconds after call yea

[misty turret]

2 seconds if you're using RR

[fickle totem]

you can take the duo boon that auto fills your capped aid every 5 seconds

[misty turret]

you have to use a call and then near miss something for that dodge chance

[fickle totem]

with that you could theoretically be perma 100%

[keen mesa]

let me find one of my 100% dodge runs, one sec

[misty turret]

and also plume would only have ~30% at like mid-late styx lmao

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/zij7MuB.jpg

unfortunately the logs don't show levels of plume

but it was over 30%

second wind is the dodge after call

[limber cloak]

plume can go to like 36% can it not?

[keen mesa]

I mean...

anything after 30% is really, really good

but 20-30% is probably normal

[limber cloak]

yeah

[keen mesa]

depending on how many actual encounters you take

[limber cloak]

i got like a 34% plume at boss fight

with the fists

[keen mesa]

as long as you keep ruthless reflex up

you'll have 100% dodge with that after call

easiest way to die though is when hades goes invis or something and you don't have a way to activateruthless reflex for the incoming hits

[fickle totem]

does smoldering air work? because if it does you can have perma 100% even without reflex

[keen mesa]

yeah

that's only like 30% though

[fickle totem]

Your God Gauge charges up automatically but is capped at 25%.
Auto Gauge Gain: 1% (every 0.2 Sec)

[keen mesa]

so that'd be 15+30+30 = 75%, you'd need hermes heroic dodge boon for the other 25%

[fickle totem]

yeah just get that

[eternal wasp]

do revenge boons work when dodging

[fickle totem]

i can reset until i get it

[keen mesa]

no, because revenge boons trigger on taking damage

that's specifically why zeus has two distinct things

one for nearly missing, one for taking damage

[jagged grove]

Aaaaa

I'm wayyyy too used to breaching cross

Its so goodddd

[spiral badge]

Is that the armor piercer?

What's do you find so gravy about it?

I've only ever seen it as competent, the same way all armor piercing hammers are

[jagged grove]

It goes through shields

[spiral badge]

Ohhhh

Ok that's important

Now that makes sense

[jagged grove]

So theseus and sheild enemies

Are ez

[spiral badge]

Yup

[vale imp]

it's also 900% iirc

[spiral badge]

For sure

[jagged grove]

And armour just gets shred

Yea

900 percent is busto

[vale imp]

which is the highest of all the armor piercers

[spiral badge]

Wait are we talking about the same thing? The one I'm remembering was like 60%

[vale imp]

Oh probably not then

[spiral badge]

Maybe that's the dash attack boon I'm thinking of

Cause yeah 900 is busto

[vale imp]

Breaching cross is the Hammer on the Dash attack on the fists

[spiral badge]

And I too remember a 900 number

So maybe my wires are crossed

[coral cave]

+900% damage to armor

[jagged grove]

Yup

Its amazing

[coral cave]

Yessir

[jagged grove]

And im not used to having to spend like 3 hours

Breaking armour

[spiral badge]

Well there ya go

[jagged grove]

Instead if like 2 dashstrikes

[coral cave]

Armored enemies take 2 seconds to kill

[spiral badge]

Yeah I never turn my nose up at armor shredding perks

[coral cave]

EZ Clap

[spiral badge]

Unless there's something else broken on the table

Armor shredding is the arty of hammers, just good no matter what you're doing

[turbid needle]

So about the spear, if I hold the spin and then dash (which releases the spin) does that count as attack or dash attack?

[vale imp]

attack

since the spin is an attack

[sterile root]

GUYS

any spear build

[stone harbor]

Achilles hunting blades

[sterile root]

is it cast or

[stone harbor]

Yes

[sterile root]

special or attack

[stone harbor]

It's ares cast and get a duo with artemis

[sterile root]

oh i see

thnks any other build basic attack? maybe?

[stone harbor]

Achilles with artemis attack aphro special should be good

Get their duo and you should be fine

[sterile root]

ok

thanks

[stone harbor]

There are a ton of spear builds

If you have it maxed out, the hidden aspect is a ton of damage

I would not really use it before that, ||you loose a lot of hp as it is||

[sterile root]

ill try it out thanks 🙂

[spiral badge]

Achilles hunting blades broken, confirming

Just bear in mind

The Achilles buff only applies to the next 4 buttons you push after you catch your spear

After that it’s time to throw spear again

I’m not including dash in “buttons”

[stone harbor]

I really don't play much spear

Other than cast builds with achilles but that barely counts as using spear lol

[warm prawn]

I really like aspect of Achilles

[stone harbor]

Achilles is great

[urban flame]

hey, how do y'all feel about aspect of demeter plus kinetic launcher?

[vale imp]

It's Kamehameha

[urban flame]

I....

You know what, you nailed down what's so satisfying about it.

[vale imp]

the visual alone is worth it

[turbid needle]

I'm not sure if I understand the achilles spear description

is the cast always stronger or do I need to use the special first, and then cast?

[vale imp]

Special then Special again to dash towards the spear

then your next 4 Attacks, Specials, and/or Casts are stronger

Specifically not Attack then Special which calls the Spear back to you but Special then Special which makes you dash towards the spear

[turbid needle]

I see

thank you

[turbid needle]

What was the ability that removes the projectile from the enemy?

or which deity provided it? I think it was Poseidon but I can't find it on the wiki
nvm found it, its Exit Wounds from Artemis

[dusky relic]

I've had times where I can reroll Ambrosia Delight by quitting and returning to the game, but other times I always get the same upgrades from Ambrosia Delight. Does anyone know the mechanics behind this?

[daring turtle]

From what I've heard (haven't tested it) but the game's seed constantly changes based on your every action. So say you just ran over to Eurydice once and got the ambrosia, but then the next time you break some vases before heading over, the seed might have changed.

I think that's how it goes anyway

[spiral badge]

Demeter kinetic launcher is Metsu Hadouken what is this heresy

[slim lynx]

is stygian soul actually better with achilles?

[opal lodge]

depends on the cast

[slim lynx]

yeah i guess

[spiral badge]

Regen cast - casts that dont embed
3x cast - casts that do embed

Is how I play it

[slim lynx]

if i'm going achilles i think i'd go for glacial glare

big laser damage + chill

maybe even the blast thingy boon but that'd be overkill

[frail schooner]

arctic blast beam isn’t as good on achilles as other aspects because the beam does more

but it does add dmg

[nimble plank]

triple bomb or targeting system for eris?

[fallen lagoon]

what does targeting system do again?

havent used rail in a hot minute 😄

[nimble plank]

when boom prepares to boom everyone is slowed and takes 30% more damage

[fallen lagoon]

targeting for sure then

[spiral badge]

Now wait

That’s not entirely accurate

It’s better than that

Foes targeted by your special are afflicted

It doesn’t need to land!!

[nimble plank]

redacted

[slim lynx]

targeting system + cluster bomb 😩 👌

[spiral badge]

Dummy thicc

[fallen lagoon]

triple would already not be as good even without knowing that for sure lol

[slim lynx]

dummy thicc damage

[fallen lagoon]

but damn thats a good hammer

[slim lynx]

you just set some bombs

and they're already dead

what are they gonna do? move out of the way?

[fallen lagoon]

im just experimenting gilgamesh now and my is it fun 😄

[slim lynx]

yeah maim is nice

[spiral badge]

Gilgamesh hammer busted

[slim lynx]

gilgamesh has exclusive hammers?

[spiral badge]

One

[burnt spindle]

i think twin fists are kinda op

[fallen lagoon]

all hidden have one i believe

the hammers for hidden aspects usually buff their unique skill

[spiral badge]

@burnt spindle them and the shield are the S-tier fun weapons for sure

[nimble plank]

got gilgamesh today
got to final boss on my first attempt but died at the very end

[fallen lagoon]

oof

[slim lynx]

what is it 👉 👈

[spiral badge]

Yeah gilga hammer adds an extra 25% damage to maim AND adds slow

Busted

[fallen lagoon]

yea its kinda stupid

[slim lynx]

25% damage to the burst or 25% damage that enemies take?

[burnt spindle]

i just use 2nd aspect on them and just spam attack dash special

[turbid needle]

The funniest build for me is Rama with Zeus special and my favourite is achilles with zeus attack and Dio's special

[spiral badge]

+25% vulnerability

Which in turn affects the burst

I believe

[slim lynx]

that's like +75% damage taken right?

[spiral badge]

50

Maim is only 25% without 👎🏻

[slim lynx]

i thought it was more

[fallen lagoon]

lol

[nimble plank]

should i go with artemis cast or strike on rail tho
i haven't played on this weapon too much, i hate it

[slim lynx]

still good since it's basically doom with extra steps

[spiral badge]

Yeah for sure

Also impending doom plus maim is lolllllllll

[slim lynx]

does maim (or other hidden aspect status effects for that matter) trigger p.status?

[spiral badge]

No

Not a god curse

[nimble plank]

i think i will try to go with cast

[fallen lagoon]

i use zeus on atk for rail, dont think crit in rail is the best (imo)

yea

i would take cast

[spiral badge]

Zeus is s tier on rail

Almost boring

[fallen lagoon]

and also rama special spam or twin fists 🙂

[slim lynx]

poseidon on rail is more fun

i'd say A tier or maybe very close to zeus

[nimble plank]

new aspect! gg

[slim lynx]

it's not nearly as powerful at the start but boy does it go rolling once you get the t2 boons from broseidon

[spiral badge]

Yeah brosiedon snowballs hard

Little weak on his lonesome but brosiedon tsunami is the real deal

[fallen lagoon]

time to do more gilgamesh runs

i havent tried poseidon too much but what i have tried, he is super strong (not S but fairly good)

[spiral badge]

Poseidon is the god that’s there to remind you this game is supposed to be fun

[distant cobalt]

Watching enemies just bounce around like crazy is hilarious

[fallen lagoon]

i like using his cast for my hera runs if i cant get trippy flare

[spiral badge]

mmhmmmm

Poseidon and athena are great little grenade-launcher casts

Not flashy but quick and effective

[slim lynx]

if you get a poseidon build on rail then getting tempest flourish can actually really help you in styx

[spiral badge]

Yeah Poseidon is lol in general in Styx

[slim lynx]

i saw an armored snakestone die instantly to one bomb

[spiral badge]

Like I would say there could be a case to be made in this game for Poseidon being kind of trash on the whole

But then

[fallen lagoon]

athena special, double nova, special speed and there you go. spammy as hell sword lol

[spiral badge]

All of Styx exists

[slim lynx]

and i didn't even have sea storm

[spiral badge]

and he instantly justifies himself no matter what

[slim lynx]

broseidon is op in styx what can you say

[spiral badge]

yup

[frail schooner]

breaking wave exists

[spiral badge]

Brosiedon carries Styx

[fallen lagoon]

poseidon is usually a part of my cough rama special spam runs

[slim lynx]

how effective are rama special runs really

you're not even supposed to be using it as your main damage source

[fallen lagoon]

i mean i do it bc its kind of fun lol

[frail schooner]

i’ll believe rama special when i see it at 40

[spiral badge]

Bro the memes though

[fallen lagoon]

its not the best but its fun

[spiral badge]

If you’re not memeing at low heat are you really even playing this game

[fallen lagoon]

t r u t h

[spiral badge]

**** it, rama artemis special build

[fallen lagoon]

ew

i love it

[spiral badge]

When your disrespect hurts dad more than your damage

[slim lynx]

ya'll know how revenge afk builds are like really powerful?

i don't think i've seen one of those with vengeful mood

[fallen lagoon]

i havent tried that yet lol

[slim lynx]

imagine how absurd that would be

[spiral badge]

Por que no los dos?

[frail schooner]

vengeful mood kinda sucks for revenge builds

the timer is reset when you take damage

[fallen lagoon]

i've only done like 90 runs of this game XD

[spiral badge]

Why 👀

[frail schooner]

so it won’t really go off

[spiral badge]

Oh bisciuts

[frail schooner]

vengeful mood is mostly useful because of holy shield

[slim lynx]

better than nothing right

vengeful mood and holy shield seems crunchy

[fallen lagoon]

how abt this. gilgamesh with triple dash from hermes and then giant blade rifts (thats 6 whole dashes)

[slim lynx]

why not quadruple dash

[spiral badge]

0 things wrong with that

[slim lynx]

i saw someone get heroic greatest reflex

[fallen lagoon]

i have never seen quad dash boon before

[slim lynx]

honestly how do you even get that

[spiral badge]

Stupid thing to mention, but always auto-pick ruthless reflex in the mirror for Gilgamesh

You get 3 dashes no matter which one you pick, so ruthless is just straight better

[slim lynx]

ruthless is just better for close-range weapons

you can proc ruthless really easily with gilga actually

[spiral badge]

I can’t play this game without at least 2 dashes, but thats me

But yes, ruthless is an auto-pick for Gilga

[fallen lagoon]

me too, it feels weird having just one with my playstyle but yeah imma switch to that

[slim lynx]

i like to use ruthless if i'm going close-range weapons because i highly tend to double-dash by accident

[jagged grove]

I always try to go

ME with gilga

amazing synergy

take athena keepsake tartarus

ares keepsake aspho

and then acorn acorn

[frail schooner]

acorn acorn

[jagged grove]

yuh

[whole sapphire]

Can you do demeter cast with aspect of beowulf

[frail schooner]

It’s not a beam

[spiral badge]

its better

Chilling Fog

what's the opposite of festive

because that's whatever demeter is

[frail schooner]

unfriendly fog

[spiral badge]

Gloomy Gale

[balmy portal]

isn't chilling fog already a dio/dem cast duo?

[spiral badge]

ice wine

but yes

[balmy portal]

ah, right

losing-the-will-to-live fog 😉

okay it's a little long.

[agile plover]

||How do I unlock the other hidden aspects? I recently unlocked Guan Yu. My guess is that I need to complete a run with it before I can move on||

[balmy portal]

it varies by weapon

also you don't need to spoiler here; this channel is assumed to be filled with spoilers >.>

[winged tendon]

You dont need to complete a run with it

[frail schooner]

Your need to have 5 titan blood in non zag aspects of the respective weapon

Before the secret aspect is revealed

[crimson mango]

Gilgamesh any good btw ?

[spiral badge]

Gilga busted

Dangerous and maybe not the highest tier weapon in the game

But Gilga damage output busted

[proven osprey]

Might be the worst aspect tbh

[opal lodge]

^

its funny that both arthur and gilga are pretty good for casual play

and terrible for speedrunners and high heat players

[spiral badge]

Yeah I think it’s fair to call it the worst

But it’s hard to call any of the fists remotely bad below big boi heat lol

Gilgamesh let’s you run ruthless reflex as a filthy mortal and I like it for that

[fickle totem]

why don't speedrunners use the shackle? basically doubles your damage

and you can take zeus or ares boons to deal more without the downside of negating the shackle

[dry ember]

Because tier 2 duos and legendaries vastly outscales shackle.

And boons are also pommable

So more scaling there.

+100% damage is good until you realize that Epic Heartbreak Strike can give you the same and more with t2

[gusty rapids]

yeah boons are almost always worth more than shackle

because of pomming, unlocking duos, legendaries, and tier 2's

[dry ember]

High heat is different obviously.

[opal lodge]

running shackle is an option in rare cases

[gusty rapids]

charon% :^)

[spiral badge]

Shackle meme best meme

I wish there was a more in-game way to provoke shackle runs

Something akin to a reverse rainbow run from Gungeon

That’d be a blast

[dry ember]

Zag Bow shackle is legit

Grab huntrr dash on the way, too

[spiral badge]

Oof XL

Rama shackle is a joyful experience too

[scenic oracle]

how does demeter cast work with beowulkf

[dry ember]

It just explodes I think

[jagged grove]

How tf do I play rama bow

[opal lodge]

special everything > powershot

if no DC, charge a powershot while enemies are loading in

[gusty rapids]

practice the power shot timing

its much weirder than other bows at first, but really worth the payoff of learning it

[scenic oracle]

its so long

[spiral badge]

Fwiw I just play Rama like a dash shotgun

[jagged grove]

Thanks

Wait

Focus building special?

Shouldn't I build like good attack

[fallen mirage]

On Rama? No

[jagged grove]

Or dmt

[spiral badge]

Power shots are optimal but don’t be afraid to zip around and go kachunk kachunk

[fallen mirage]

You build Attack

But you special everything to apply Shared Suffering

[spiral badge]

Build special with curse

[fallen mirage]

Then your Attack does big damage to everything

[spiral badge]

Dio is A+ on Rama

Special

So is doom

[ripe glade]

:S.. ever on an Epic run... and your computer crashes.. and when you restart.. well... back to the start.. :S... I really need a new computer.. lol

[spiral badge]

Play into the scattershot aspect of Rama special

Not the damage

Then hit em with the chunky attack for big numbers

Aphro attack and any stacking curse (or doom) are great for Rama

And twin shot and shotgun hammer are aces

Play shotgun bow like shotgun, win game

[jagged grove]

Ooo

What attack should I take along with which hammers?

[cloud vault]

You can salvage the run, there's a way

[spiral badge]

So like I said, twin shot and shotgun hammer are OP for Rama

[cunning urchin]

#h1-tech-fixes

[spiral badge]

Those are the two real superstars I feel

Special armor shredding is also never unwelcome

In a weapon with a bouncing special

Quick charge is great for any bow

Explosive charge is a trap don’t touch it on Rama

[cunning urchin]

There's no "quick charge" hammer.

[spiral badge]

Isn’t there? Which one makes power shots easier?

What mechanic does that change? I figured it just quickened the power shot window

[cunning urchin]

Easier, not faster. Perfect Shot.

[frail schooner]

The time window is wider

[spiral badge]

Oh, so it just makes it more forgiving then?

I see

[frail schooner]

And +150% damage

[dry ember]

So... Technically faster?

[spiral badge]

It feels a little faster in practice to me

[sterile root]

guys is there a way to get duo boons for sure?

[dry ember]

Get lucky

[cunning urchin]

Piercing Volley on Rama is very weak.

[spiral badge]

Anyway I feel like if you encounter either twin shot or shotgun blast hammer you can be much more lax about your power shot timing and still put out great damage

Those are my two big reccos but someone who plays more bow can chime in

[sterile root]

guys any build with aspect of hera? i find the bow very weak

[agile plover]

Guan Yu's hp debuff isn't worth the hassle for the mediocre healing

[spiral badge]

GY is Git Gud, the weapon

Very unforgiving like that

[cunning urchin]

Things that improve your odds: god keepsakes, God's Legacy, Yarn of Ariadne, Refreshing Nectar, filling all your priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, Dash), Fated Persuasion to reroll boons that have a chance of getting the Duo Boon you want, and avoiding boons that will unlock Duo Boons from the same gods' pool that you don't want in order to have a better chance at the Duo Boons you do want.

Boons from miniboss chambers have a lower chance of giving a Duo Boon or Legendary Boon. Boons from trials can't give Duo Boons at all but can give Legendary Boons.

[sterile root]

Wow ill keep in mind

Anything for bow of hera i find the bow very weak

And thanks @cunning urchin

[dry ember]

Try Trippy Shot or crush shot

[cunning urchin]

Crush Shot with Infernal Soul is really strong.

Flood Shot is also really good.

[midnight tree]

hot take triple > twin shot

🙂

[dry ember]

Quite tepid tbh ;)

[cunning urchin]

You're not the first to say that, but they all come around eventually.

[midnight tree]

hmm

basically I always forget twin shot has shorter range

and miss

[sterile root]

Thanks guys

[cunning urchin]

Oh lol.

[midnight tree]

but, since you're of the opinion that twin > triple

why?

what makes it better?

[cunning urchin]

That's just practice and experience to not miss your shots.

Triple Shot requires that you're point-blank, which a lot of the time just isn't gonna be realistic.

[midnight tree]

Yes, that's fair.

On the other hand, if you're going to bring the point-blank hammer anyway

[jagged grove]

Thats highrolling though

[cunning urchin]

I'd rather have Twin Shot + Perfect Shot.

[midnight tree]

to each their own i guess

I only take perfect shot as a last resort when it's the only attack-related thing (since I use rama)

[dry ember]

What if you have twin shot and triple shot

[cunning urchin]

Perfect Shot is really good on Rama, too.

@dry ember then you're a cheater.

[midnight tree]

tried it. game doesn't enjoy

[dry ember]

I want that

[midnight tree]

it fires two shots that have bad spread

like

one straight

and one to the right

[dry ember]

Oh sad

I would imagine it's like x2 in 3 directions

[midnight tree]

that's not even possible

afaik

with how multiple projectiles work

[dry ember]

Interesting

[midnight tree]

multiple projectiles don't work like that, they just have a horizontal spread and angular spread

[spiral badge]

I picked up triple shot once

Exactly once

[midnight tree]

triple shot good smh

[cunning urchin]

Twin Shot and Triple Shot can't be combined at all.

[spiral badge]

The spread looks waaaaaaay to wide to be practical, is the hitbox visual lying?

Or is it really that wide?

[midnight tree]

I think it really is that wide. it's a lot more useful on rama since the arrow hitbox is wider

[spiral badge]

Because if so how are you supposed to hit more than one unless you can see up their nose lol

[cunning urchin]

You're not supposed to lol.

[dry ember]

I'm aware. Hence "what if."

[opal lodge]

its still really good

[cunning urchin]

I know you were aware.

[opal lodge]

triple is one of the best hammers for every bow when speedrunning

[midnight tree]

yes, my PB is set with triple

🙂

[opal lodge]

before anyone asks, yes, even on chiron

[midnight tree]

🤔

[spiral badge]

🤔🤔🤔

[midnight tree]

chiron triple chiron triple

[cunning urchin]

Were people gonna question that?

[opal lodge]

ideal chiron speedrun is triple > conc imo

i think so

some people get into a twist about taking attack hammers on chiron

[dry ember]

Some might wonder "wouldn't that mess up the targeting"

[spiral badge]

That was my first question

[midnight tree]

it only targets the last hit guy

so yeah probably

[spiral badge]

Also why would be triple be better than double

[opal lodge]

target is only on the primary arrow afaik

[spiral badge]

Genuinely curious

[opal lodge]

range

[cunning urchin]

^

[spiral badge]

Oh

I see

[dry ember]

x3 > x2 quick maf

[opal lodge]

twin is still a fine first hammer though

[midnight tree]

x3 > x3

lets go

[spiral badge]

Didn’t know there was a range bubble

[midnight tree]

math

[dry ember]

Shhh

[opal lodge]

foxhope and typos name a more iconic combo

[dry ember]

Lmao

[opal lodge]

its chain shot that messes up the targeting

[spiral badge]

But two arrows that hit every time are better than 3 arrows that probably miss at least 1 every shot

Thats what math says in my head

But the range is a valid point

[opal lodge]

its also really good for witch numbskull rooms that are a huge headache in general for bow for speed

[spiral badge]

Yeah that I could see

Maximum coverage

[midnight tree]

zeus special -> numskull die ez

[cunning urchin]

@proven osprey and 🗑️.

[opal lodge]

😦

[dry ember]

Bulli

[cunning urchin]

Hmm?

[spiral badge]

fckhtdamn.gif

[cunning urchin]

You know, like basketball.

[spiral badge]

Well that was an interesting asterisk interaction lol

[midnight tree]

use *

er

[spiral badge]

Famous-3-bad-word.gif

[midnight tree]

\*

to like not format

[dry ember]

\*

[midnight tree]

\*

[dry ember]

How do you make double backslash though

[midnight tree]

\\

duh

[dry ember]

\ \

[spiral badge]

backslash

But then again

[midnight tree]

double backslash is just \\\

[dry ember]

\\*

[cunning urchin]

Better yet, delete it because bypassing the swear filter is against da rulez.

[opal lodge]

\

[proven osprey]

...

[opal lodge]

\\

neat

[cunning urchin]

Hm?

[dry ember]

I feel like we are all bots but astaos in the latest convo lmao

[opal lodge]

[proven osprey]

I don't think I belong to the trash

[proven osprey]

Tables etc

[cunning urchin]

That makes one of us who thinks that.

[dry ember]

2

[midnight tree]

so would posting "nice opinion" by dakooters cross some lines here

[dry ember]

Who?

[cunning urchin]

@dry ember no, just you. Bots don't count. So 1.

[dry ember]

Also Hades

[spiral badge]

Good game

[opal lodge]

yes lol

[proven osprey]

Why

[opal lodge]

dakooters would break several rules i think

[spiral badge]

Megara should not be allowed in a PG game

[proven osprey]

The suffering

[midnight tree]

i figured

😂

[dry ember]

I'm so tempted to make a horrible joke.

[midnight tree]

do it

and then regret

[dry ember]

Yeah let's not lol

[midnight tree]

ok fair

[proven osprey]

Do it

[spiral badge]

Ride to Valhalla foxhope

[proven osprey]

You can't be stingy and a coward and have a goldfish memory

[spiral badge]

Shiny and chrome

We are witnesses

[dry ember]

Nah I'm scared lmao

[jagged grove]

The high heat regulars have invaded hades builds kekw

[proven osprey]

[dry ember]

[opal lodge]

scared of what?

[spiral badge]

His destiny

[opal lodge]

[proven osprey]

@dry ember

[midnight tree]

@dry ember

[proven osprey]

Thanks Shy

[arctic rampart]

What's considered high heat

32?

[proven osprey]

33 imo

[dry ember]

Someone said Astaos highest heat + 1

[proven osprey]

That bastard

[cunning urchin]

Astaos is a good player.

[opal lodge]

?

i think somewhere 1 heat or above

[dry ember]

+1

[misty turret]

idk 27°C is pretty hot

[cunning urchin]

High heat leaderboard begins at 32. But there are sometimes people asking for help with 16–20 Heat in #h1-high-heat-strategies, too.

Anything below that is super rare to be discussed in that channel, though. Sometimes some speedrun strats for lower heats because they can be relevant for high heat.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

[arctic rampart]

Underworld customs looks so toxic

[agile plover]

Highest heat I've done so far is 16

[jagged grove]

I was stuck on heat cause fo2 hard

[misty turret]

underworld customs isn't as bad as you would think

[agile plover]

FO1 alone even makes a decent difference I find

[misty turret]

quite a bit better than Approval Process or Routine Inspection

[agile plover]

It means that your reactions have to be much cleaner

[arctic rampart]

This would be true if you got a throwaway boon

But if all 3 choices are asking for a core part of your build

[misty turret]

you can also use fated persuasion to switch the choices

[jagged grove]

Yea

Its not that bad

Its one of those things thsg look worse then they are

[misty turret]

and its not unlikely that you'll have something that doesn't quite fit in your build and/or you can go without

[opal lodge]

UC is not that bad, but it puts a cap on absurd scaling for your build

which isnt a problem when you can still get a lot of boons

once you turn on CF/RI it hurts more

[proven osprey]

Double rolling a purging pool and getting the same core boons

Pain

[gusty dagger]

Which weapons is zeus good at aside from rail?

[arctic rampart]

Knuckles?

[gusty dagger]

h and aside from that too haha

[arctic rampart]

Anything that lands hits fast I'd feel is a good candidate for zeus

[proven osprey]

A spear with flurry jab

or even spear in general

since Zeus mean aoe

[arctic rampart]

Is flurry jab the one that jabs rapidly but gets rid of power spin?

[proven osprey]

yeah

[gusty dagger]

Cool I'll try that one then

[proven osprey]

You'll get better results on Achilles

[opal lodge]

flurry jab takes spear from a c or f tier weapon to the second best weapon in the game

[proven osprey]

Guan Yu and Hades can't get flurry

[opal lodge]

hence

[proven osprey]

And Zeus on Hades is a bad idea

[opal lodge]

c or f tier

[gusty dagger]

I've been looking for a high heat run with Zeus as it's primary bokn

Second best? What's absolute best?

[proven osprey]

you can go zeus on zeus

[opal lodge]

check out tailesque's dem fists run from 1.0 release

absolute best? eris rail for anyheat

[gusty dagger]

Oh true. My last run was an eris run

[arctic rampart]

What makes flurry jab good?

[tender dome]

what does dark foresight do

poseidon is offering me his legendary

lmao?

[proven osprey]

The attack speed is insane dps, even more with Zeus since it's aoe

[arctic rampart]

faster than mashing attack button?

[proven osprey]

haha

Yes, indeed

[arctic rampart]

I'll try it when I run into it

Thoughts on serrated edge?

[dry ember]

Great!

I love it

[proven osprey]

High risk, high reward

(it's serrated point tho)

[arctic rampart]

the shortened dash sucks but that DPS output in nutty

[proven osprey]

But unfortunately flurry jab is better

Better dps overall

But!

It's great on Hades and Guan Yu which can't get flurry jab anyway

It's a great option on the others spears, but not the best

[arctic rampart]

if i attack with guan yu spear with serrated point, do i get one proc of lifesteal or three?

[proven osprey]

Serrated point only works on dash strike

Regular attack and spins won't be affected

[arctic rampart]

Is the lifesteal only on regular attacks?

[proven osprey]

On the spin, a charged attack

[arctic rampart]

I haven't taken Guan Yu out yet, I wasn't really a fan of it when I tried smacking skelly with it

Maybe it'll be better in an actual run

[proven osprey]

You don't attack much with GY

Mainly dash strikes and special

[arctic rampart]

What's special about Guan yu's special attack then?

I think it says something about exploding or w.e

[leaden bay]

It heals you

wait no that's the spin

i think. I forgot GY I literally used it once

[dry ember]

Assuming you mean the actually Special.
It has good base damage, doesn't have the recall gimmick.
With Charged Skewer and Deadly Flourish it's very strong.

[arctic rampart]

Yeah I was talking about the actual special attack

[tender dome]

holy crap i just realized, its elysium and only NOW have i gotten a fishing pond. that 20% chance for a fishing pond per chamber is sure doing a whole freaking lot isnt it

[proven osprey]

45 base damage, pierces.

[tender dome]

if i encounter minotaur as a mid boss do i have to fight him again at the end

[proven osprey]

Yeah

But with less hp

[arctic rampart]

I recently unlocked Aspect of Arthur sword and im lowkey in love with it

LF build ideas

[tender dome]

how do i unlock the ultimate weapon aspects

[mighty ermine]

there's a pin in #h1-story-discussion explaining how to unlock each

[spiral badge]

Part of why that legendary is great is selling it

[mighty ermine]

if by ultimate you mean hidden

[spiral badge]

It’s worth a whopping 400 gold iirc

And you lose no functionality on your build

[tender dome]

yeah i just did that

and my run is still sh- i mean crappy. so im going to kill myself to theseus. god its so distorting not being able to swear on discord servers

[arctic rampart]

stinky

pooooo

[tender dome]

aegis hidden aspect is beowulf?

reminds me of a blonde mercenary from fire emblem

[spiral badge]

Please

I play smash

Fire emblem is triggering

[tender dome]

i dont play smash but i copletely understand

theres like

8 fire emblem characters??

[spiral badge]

Too many

[tender dome]

yeah

[spiral badge]

Someone talk to me about EM4

I’m looking to spice my heat up a little and I haven’t turned that on yet

What should I be ready for?

[leaden bay]

I want to try it but I'm scared.

Did EM3 recently and that was enough for a whileo.

[spiral badge]

Yeah. I’m trying to push myself a little harder. I’ve been sort of cruising, racking up the heat evenly on every weapon

But I feel like I’m reaching a place where I’m plateauing. I need to challenge myself more with some extra weight and maybe focus on one weapon for a while

So EM4

[forest marsh]

You should be ready for a good time, why spoil the fun?

[spiral badge]

Lol

I suppose that is the answer I’d give me

[forest marsh]

Of all the EM versions of boss fights, it's the one that most deserves its weight in heat

Some would argue it's not worth enough

[spiral badge]

Good to know, hope I live to tell the tale

[spiral badge]

So since it seems like a knowledgeable crowd is online, I’ve been wanting to ask

Does anyone around understand the finer points of how FA RNG works? Are there limitations on the number of god boons that can be rolled on a given floor? Or other modifiers I should know about?

Sometimes when rolling rooms I watch the game get into a coin-heart-Pom loop which tells me its done with giving me boons

But I dont know what the triggers for that are, or if it even exists and I’m just reading too far into true RNG

[eternal wasp]

holy hell lighting rod is so good

[spiral badge]

Lightning rod and scintillating feast are hades: the idle game

[eternal wasp]

just absolutely annihilated theseus with it + double lighting thing

[spiral badge]

Yeah you can just stand in a corner and annihilate things

[daring turtle]

found a neat little tidbit:

when you summon bouldy, the coins/darkness can act as a wall with regards to Asterius. e.g. if he rushes into them he'll crash, whereas you can just run through them normally

[proven osprey]

There is indeed a limit of boons per biome. I think (very not sure tho) that it's 3 boons + miniboss. You can alter RNG tho, these are routed runs

[warm prawn]

is there anything particular you wanted to know?

[spiral badge]

Honestly I’ll take the advice and experience it for myself

Thank you though

@proven osprey thank you, thats the first real information I’ve seen on it

[warm prawn]

ya, maybe experience it yourself a few times and come back for advice if you're really struggling

[spiral badge]

Does hermes count in that pool when he becomes eligible?

[warm prawn]

it is definitely a lot more difficult

[spiral badge]

Will do

[warm prawn]

EM1, EM2 and EM3 I find only a bit harder but EM4 is a big jump up

[spiral badge]

Can you specify what you mean by “these are routed runs”?

[warm prawn]

whether or not it's worth the heat is debatable but I really like EM4 for the fun

[spiral badge]

Yeah

I just want to experience it for the training

[proven osprey]

You could join the speedrun discord, there are people who actually datamined a lot of things

[spiral badge]

Feel like I’ve been at a plateau lately. Taking on my heat too slowly

[warm prawn]

playing high heat without EM4 feels bad because then the final fight is like an anti-climax

[spiral badge]

Oh, ok

I love poring over the finer points of roguelikes like this

[proven osprey]

Yeah

[spiral badge]

lol I hope I get addicted then

[warm prawn]

I'm super glad I had my partner there to force me to do 32 heat and push myself

[proven osprey]

we lack a lot infos

i.e like how JS works

had to be datamined too

[spiral badge]

JS?

[proven osprey]

jury summons

[spiral badge]

ahhhhhh

[proven osprey]

more foes

[spiral badge]

What was gleaned from that?

[proven osprey]

well

[spiral badge]

Actually, I’ll just look for the discord

Where’s the link kept at?

I dont need to take your time typing all that up for me

[forest marsh]

It's pinned in #self-promotion

[spiral badge]

Ok, thank you

[proven osprey]

Foes are actually worth a number of points. Rooms are like, worth 20 points (or whatever), BP (benefit package) enemies are worth more. JS actually increase the room points

if that makes sense lol

[spiral badge]

Ohhhhh

I see

Something like a war hammer set or some such

[proven osprey]

so it"s not "there are 2 thugs, +20% won't be another thug"

which means that JS1 can hurt a lot

[spiral badge]

I think I get you. Each enemy assigned a point value, JS increases the base value of enemies that each room calls up

Is that correct?

[proven osprey]

exactly

[spiral badge]

For sure

[proven osprey]

tired so my wording is terrible but you got it

[spiral badge]

Yeah that’s a detail that seems hard to come by

I dig little nuggets like that

[frail schooner]

I think only certain BP enemies have increase value

[spiral badge]

You never know which one transcends your knowledge to nirvana and really helps out with something

[frail schooner]

cloner does

[proven osprey]

Oh sure

But double BP are worth so much, even pests

[dry ember]

if you are one the speedrun discord

[proven osprey]

sometimes there a like 2 pests rooms double BP

[dry ember]

they have a speedtech channel

that is filled with tidbits like this

[spiral badge]

Ooooo perfect

[proven osprey]

The answer is Guan Yu

[spiral badge]

Those are candy for me

Lol exactly

[daring turtle]

just thought of something funny - would it be possible to have a "summoner" type build with lucifer (with eternal chamber) + Unhealthy Fixation (Aphrodite legendary)

just charm ALL the enemies and make them fight eachother

[proven osprey]

that would be fun indeed

[frail schooner]

you don’t need eternal chambers for that

[proven osprey]

But I think that smoldering air and Aphro's call might be better

[daring turtle]

eternal chamber would help as you can constantly fire for more procs

[proven osprey]

or paired with it

[daring turtle]

oooh yeah that would be good

[frail schooner]

eternal chamber with aphro attack would hurt against bosses tho

you need the ramping

[proven osprey]

yup eternal kills dps

[daring turtle]

still it wouldn't be used for the efficiency, it would just be a silly meme build

[spiral badge]

One last FA question

Provided I haven’t hit my cap, do I have an equal chance at rolling room rewards? Or is there any weighting going on that anyone knows about?

[proven osprey]

I think? The only thing is that gold and blue laurels are separate rolls

Maybe I did not understand your question right

[cloud vault]

I think he means if he's less likely to roll a boon after getting the 3 or 4

[proven osprey]

Yeah

totally

[rare kindle]

I think charm just stuns enemies most of the time, but if you get them about to attack, they can chunk other enemies

[proven osprey]

I think that there's a % chance increased by dark foresight and that's it

being lower than blue laurel rooms

[rare kindle]

Yep, increases it by 20% each biome

[cunning urchin]

BP (benefit package) enemies are worth more.
Only Cloners and Saviors.

[daring turtle]

lol, just trying a dash only run for the first time, and cleared an erebus gate with it

[coral cave]

what dash are you using

[daring turtle]

tidal dash

[coral cave]

good pick

you should try ares' next time

[daring turtle]

just picked up lightning reflexes too now, so extra damage with gilgamesh fast dashes and ruthless reflex

and yeah blade dashes sound fun too

[little quiver]

anybody can recommend a good poseidon built?

im really struggling with the sword

and wanted to try out a cast built

[rare kindle]

One using Poseidon or Poseidon aspect?

[little quiver]

aspect

[daring turtle]

lol, just killed Tisiphone (with EM) in 30 seconds with dashes

[vital bay]

Dysphere

[rare kindle]

I like Poseidon cast or Athena cast, aim for Artemis for exit wounds and mirage shot ideally

[vital bay]

the all in on zeus rama special can carry

is real

I tried it today

after you told me about it

[little quiver]

well then ill try poseidon

since uncle pose is always fun 😄

[mighty ermine]

😔

[daring turtle]

yeah Rama with zeus special is powerful

[proven osprey]

was waiting for it

[rare kindle]

laughs in never powershotting in Rama and hitting like a truck anyway

[vital bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750022346919772171/799804932890165288/20210115195551_1.jpg

[rare kindle]

I don’t think I’ve even managed to get a Rama power shot even in the training room

[vital bay]

wasn't even that insane in terms of boon tier

but felt actually crazy op

[proven osprey]

that could be the best way to play rama actually

[vital bay]

I think the +4 special

also very helpful

I actually lowkey

[mighty ermine]

astaos don't

[vital bay]

think it could be aswell

have you tried it?

[proven osprey]

sorry mate

[mighty ermine]

sir

[vital bay]

I

am serious

didn't expect it to be

[mighty ermine]

yes

[vital bay]

that good

[mighty ermine]

you know what's also good

[proven osprey]

the thing is

[rare kindle]

I like explosive shot on Rama but tailesque says it’s bad

[mighty ermine]

attack-oriented hammers and deadly strike

[proven osprey]

The powershot way is like way faster without all these boons

[mighty ermine]

it's not necessarily bad but it's not as good as other hammers

[little quiver]

laughs in chiron and just spamming artemis special 😄

[mighty ermine]

i don't mean to police how others play rama at all btw; i can see the appeal of zeus spam or wanting to take explosive shot if you don't like power shots all that much

but those don't really make full use of rama's biggest strengths

[vital bay]

man its so unbelievable cheesy

[mighty ermine]

it is lol

zeus spam is very brain: off but that can be fun sometimes

[rare kindle]

You need so much investment in Zeus to make it work

[mighty ermine]

yeah

[vital bay]

It kinda just happened tbh

I got zeus special chamber one and was happy with that

and then I got like 2 zeus in the next 3 chambers

[cloud vault]

Dudes

Hangover special, Artemis attack

If you find Splitting that's cool too

[gusty rapids]

zeus spam with rama is super fun

brain: off

special button: clicked

enemies: dead

[mighty ermine]

arrows: many

bolts: lots

[proven osprey]

Tailesque's spirit : broken

[cloud vault]

Hangover shreds tho, and bad influence mmm

It's perfect your drunk bolts bounce around

And then you crit their face off if you want to

[vital bay]

but how important

is the +4 special actually

[cloud vault]

There are worse hammers

[vital bay]

because I only know with it

but that build fun as hell

do I actually need it

[mighty ermine]

it's only good for dio or zeus special really, when you're really leaning into special spam i guess

[cloud vault]

Need, no

[mighty ermine]

otherwise rama definitely prefers other hammers

[vital bay]

no I mean

for the zeus build

not general

[cloud vault]

Triple shot, perfect shot, near shot

[vital bay]

imagine thinking

I am using normal attack

with rama

[rare kindle]

Twin shot is also good

[cloud vault]

Yeah, everything not called explosive

[vital bay]

no

I am not

left clicking

[cloud vault]

And I guess sniper shot is bad too

[rare kindle]

Is sniper shot good on any aspects?

[cloud vault]

Zag bow

[mighty ermine]

repulse and sniper are pretty bad

[rare kindle]

Even if it’s a ranged weapon I tend to be pretty close to enemies anyway

[gusty rapids]

yeah sniper is just kind of a nothing hammer

[mighty ermine]

yeah, sniper only gets worse as you build heat because of FO2

[gusty rapids]

it doesnt hurt you but it'll almost never actually do anything

[cloud vault]

Another little handy effect of dio special

There's that 30% slow boon too

It can matter a lot on fo2

[vital bay]

is there a unique dialogue

for em4 hades boonless

[untold vortex]

there's unique dialogue for boonless

[vital bay]

yea I know

[untold vortex]

not sure about EM4 boonless

[rare kindle]

Haelian did it, there’s boonless specific dialogue but nothing for em4 and boonless

[coral cave]

EM4 boonless sounds like the definition of pain

[vital bay]

I'm just sad there is no follow up dialogue

after u win boonless

I need to see how salty Hades is

[cloud vault]

The boons were the friends we made along the way.

[vital bay]

he has to be fuming

LMAO

truuue

[sonic crypt]

Does rama's shared fate apply onhit effects like weak/hangover?

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No

But the bouncing special foes

Does

Shared suffering transmits damage numbers only

So a little while back but @proven osprey

What I was asking is

If I approach a gold Laurel room, having collected no boons so far let's say, are my chances always equal of rolling a gold reward?

Or are centaur hearts, say, weighted heavier by RNG than boons?

Or is it pure spin the wheel?

[proven osprey]

Oh

No idea

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Just curious

That's niche I know

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it would be nice not being able to roll a pom without boon

and logical that boon are prioritized while having 0

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So there is some weighting manipulation you think?

[proven osprey]

I mean that should be the case right? Have you ever encountered a gold non boon as your first gold room?

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Ummm, money maybe?

Or a heart?

[proven osprey]

hammer start I mean then

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I'm sorry, I don't follow

[proven osprey]

nah mb