#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 807

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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really fun to try builds

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Whats poe

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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yup

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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its an arpg

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like diablo

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Ohhhhh

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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oh yeah

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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its actually an excellent way to make builds

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Yeah you picked a hell of a roguelike to start on

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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has the combo setup of isaac with less of the rng

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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We can't force people to like GY, the weapon needs a lot of work but it's amazing

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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i said its more controlled

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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the gameplay loop is really similar to an arpg ive found

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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and that makes it wonderful

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how are any of those

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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just no looting

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

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swears

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what is wrong with the bot

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i hate it

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Did you reach for O and accidentally find U lol

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:54 PM

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i dont think i did

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the bot has it out for me

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i refuse to believe otherwise

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it told me off earlier today when i didnt swear too

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:54 PM

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spiral badge Yeah you picked a hell of a roguelike to start on

yeah i decided to pick up hades cuz i was just seeing it all over steam and the combat looks like Lost Ark which is what im waiting for

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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You done any supergiant games before?

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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i played through some of transistor

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Ah

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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oh please finish it

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its amazing

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Dont say it too loud but transistor is the weakest game

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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i will eventually lol

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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short and REALLY sweet

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BRUH

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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bruh

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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It was so abstract

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I couldn’t get into it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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bastion is the weakest cause its the first

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Hellllllls no

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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i cried

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Bastion has the narrator

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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at my 5th playthrough

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so does transistor tho

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Bastion has the voice that defined a genre and make a company known worldwide

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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and the narrator isnt a storyteller from after the fact

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its a storyteller who speaks to you as its happening which is so much more amazing

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Also I liked the combat system the least of all the SG games

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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i mean as a game in itsel, bastion is the weakest

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compared to all others

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Yeah but red’s decisions made no sense to me

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But again, I’m willing to confess to not “getting” it

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But I adored bastion and pyre is one of the most inventive games I’ve ever seen or heard of

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And this is a masterpiece

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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i replayed it a bunch and there are some things that basically slowly built up to the ending

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small details

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yeah all of em are masterpieces imo

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like

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Sgg games are all masta peices

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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HOW CAN YOU EVEN GET SPORTS + VISUAL NOVEL TO WORK

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HOW

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idk but it slaps

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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I really got to the ending, stared blankly at the screen in dim un-comprehension, then politely uninstalled the game and swore never to the speak of the event so as not to sully SG’s reputation in my heart

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

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and the multiplayer has lead to one of the most fun experiences ive ever had with a friend

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Of transistor, that is

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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._.

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Come on and SLAM, and welcome to the MELANCHOLY FANTASY FIGHT TO SAVE THE SOULS OF YOUR RAGTAG OUTCAST CREW

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:59 PM

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it kinda comes out of nowhere first but if you get immersed (which i did every time since i played through it in one day) it just hits you like a truck

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emotionally

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anyway

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wrong chat to have this convo on

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hades build selection slaps next topic

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

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this might be a dumb question but how do u deal with the shield mobs in elysium with bow?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

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dash attack

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Bait and punish

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Make them swing first

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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it takes so long to kill them with bow compared to every other weapon

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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if you dont have rutheless dash behind them and perfect shot then dash away

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Dash dash dash 😎

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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getting behind them is so unsafe

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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it is but its fun

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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by the time i charge a power shot behind them they turn around lol

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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or bait them like angry said

sonic crypt Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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everything about shieldbois is unsafe

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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ye

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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i mean unless ur shield urself

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u just roll all over them

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

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they are the most unsafe mob imo, counting the satyrs

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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I bait shieldbois. They’re most vulnerable by far when they’re in endlag

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Imagine powershotting

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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bull rush ignores shields including theseus lol

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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On bow

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Dash special gang

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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No way, fatrats are the worst

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:02 PM

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i played in the beta 😎 i am cool 😎

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really i always loved the bow and i mastered the powershot

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from dash attack

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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i just dont like having to powershot to get consistent damage

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Play Rama

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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id rather use spear/rail/charge shot shield over bow every time lol

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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at one point i was talking to my brother while attacking around skelly's room with it and without paying attention i got something like a 40 power shot streak cause ive put about 50 hours on that weapon lol

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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rama feels even clunkier

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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And care not

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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you dont have to tho is the thing

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it just massively increases it

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Rama is all about being mobile until you’re not for about a second

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At which point the whole room explodes

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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rama is about getting in position

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Through shared suffering

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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feels like if i dont then my clear speed is just signficantly worse than other weapons

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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How do u play rama

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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i got chain shot with rama

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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the only bow run i ever enjoyed was when i got triple shot hammer with explosive shot

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Spam q

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And then like

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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so on groups with shared suffering

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...

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Find double shot

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Do smt

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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and i literally just used it as a grenadier lmao

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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triple is always fun

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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double shot is good thats true

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Pretend its a shotgun

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:04 PM

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but, again do not feel unsafe

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i always just dash behind people

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and BONK

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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I can’t in good conscience take triple over double, the spread seems so wide

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Does it really work up close?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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my fav build which ive been spamming here is triple pb crit zag bow

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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PB?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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it legit 5 shot hades

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point blank

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Ohhhhhhh

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Yeah I could see that

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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or perfect shot instead

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:05 PM

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I got PB+twin shot last night on rama

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T’was nuts

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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i did something similar with the triple beam on lucifer

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u have to be literally kissing distance to actually get all 3 beam damage

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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artemis dash+ some way to proc your mirror thingies on that build is just a nuke

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yup

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and that is terrible on luci concidering its power is ramp damage

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

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yeah it was pretty awful

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i still pooped on hades tho

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it was worth it for the meme

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:07 PM

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for bow if you learn how to dash right since it take mobs a long time to turn you can get a shot in then dash out usually

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:07 PM

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when he does the 3 beam attack i just plopped down skelly and went town and literally one phased him down to 50% in one ramp

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:07 PM

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if that shot deals 3-4k damage the dash out is optional

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lmaooooooooo

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i mean makes sense

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super soaker?

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or something else

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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i was using zeus with support fire

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LOL

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ALL the projectiles

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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OMG

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YES

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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i'm gonna try

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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that is an amazing build

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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booze beam

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next run

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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oh dear god

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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like drunken strike / heartbreak flourish on lucifer

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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i feel like lucifer needs to just ramp faster it doesnt feel viable on high heat period

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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yeah it really isnt

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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considering how vulnerable you are ramping it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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if you dont go on hit and get the infinite ammo at least

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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also dont try deflect attack on the laser

daring turtle Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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booze beam: force feed enemies lethal quantities of alcohol

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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it basically doesnt work lol

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omg

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i got arty legendary

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before i even fought heroes

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gg

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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i dont even know what that is

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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its trash

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it gives u 2 bloodstones

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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._.

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OH RIGHT

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I GOT IT ONCE

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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why does the crit god give u bloodstones lmfao

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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because

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thyere good

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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got it on the hydra shop

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sold it after the hydra

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didnt even use it

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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idk u would think her legendary would be something to do with.. crit..

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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just instantly sent it to the trassh where it belongs

restive tiger Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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It’s good with sile aspect

coarse wedge Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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is there any way to make zeus and arthur work?

daring turtle Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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my question is why is the god of quickness's legendaries all casting based

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:10 PM

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probably not

sonic crypt Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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completely off topic but 4minute POGGERS @dense crown

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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arthurs attacks are too slow

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to make full use of zeus's boons

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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sonic crypt completely off topic but 4minute <:POGGERS:385681674194780160> <@!10772434149967...

pppartyparrot

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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coarse wedge is there any way to make zeus and arthur work?

yeah, first you go to the mirror then

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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maybe if youre doing thunder dash or eletric shot

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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you ask yourself why you want zeus arthur to work

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literally only vengance

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if that

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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but i dont think thunder strike would work

coarse wedge Jan 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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zeus and beowulf/lucifer?

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im trying to get epilogue + secret aspect runs at the same time kek

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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thunder flourish maybe more so but i think a better build would be tempest strike/flourish + other zeus stuff

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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zeucifer is amazing

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put it on attack

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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my first lucifer run was zeus

sonic crypt Jan 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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zeucifer KEKW

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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got seastorm and zeus legendayr

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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try to get the arty boon support fire

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and gg

coarse wedge Jan 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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ok then, m + kb right for luci?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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m, kb????

coarse wedge Jan 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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mouse keyboard

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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ah

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its alright

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but the autoaim on controller is insane

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so i recommend that for luci

sonic crypt Jan 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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you can do anything though really

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:14 PM

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the special is underwhelming and annoying on controller tho

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so it depends what you wanna do, special run go mouse and keyboard and then ascend as you use 200% of your brain

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or "hee hoo lightning man zap zap" with controller

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personally i use controller for a reason

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Hellmode update: beat meg 2nd time, now that I have my dash and am actually playing the game

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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i suck at this game with ctrlr

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Wish me luck with lernie!

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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omfg

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i got my legendary boon and then rolled the purge well 3 times after heroes and didnt get the option to sell it

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even after selling a bunch of stuff

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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Lolollll

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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now i just have to pray i find a purge well in styx :(

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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There’s usually at least 1

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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dense crown i got my legendary boon and then rolled the purge well 3 times after heroes and ...

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sad

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youll find one eventually dw

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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onion

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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theres usually multiple on styx

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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im out of persausions so even if i find it i have to actually be able to sell it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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i believe

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:21 PM

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its sad how hard it is to LOSE a legendary boon

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lmfao

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i mean even i dont purge it at least i cleared arty off the prophecy :

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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yeah true

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also its an achievement

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purging a duo or legendary

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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thats what ive been trying to do

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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its alegendary

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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ive purged duos before it doesnt count

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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wait

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tbh uh

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probably ares one would be easy to pull off

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ive got that legendary alot

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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true actually

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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the only one ive gotten twice

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but

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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just rush for it

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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ill try that next

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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its not worth it imo

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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then sell it asap

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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its REALLY fun

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try getting ares call too

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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im literally just trying to farm the achievement @sturdy barn

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

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or a couple of cast related duos

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lmaooo

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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yeah this is just achievement hunting

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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aight then

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idk about the steam achievement tbh

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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also make sure to bring a few persuasions so you can sell it

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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yeah im trying :(

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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the one i got was for either leg or duo

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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the achievement on steam is only legendary

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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yup so its harder

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gotcha

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:25 PM

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only 11 percent of players have it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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but they used persuassions too lol

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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that makes me sad

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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like 3 if i remember right after elysium

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full clear styx?

fading garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Zeus might be the easiest tbh. It does not take much at all to get tbe requirements

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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cuz i have rarer achievements

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yeah im full clearing styx atm

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3/6 rooms so far and no purge well :((

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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i have the rarest achievement

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and still need 9 achievements

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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which one is that

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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all cthonic companions

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got it yesterday

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its 4.4 percent of players rn

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

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oh im about to get that in a couple runs

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im on the last step of the achilles favor

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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epic

fading garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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4.4? That is surprising

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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the other rarest is

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doing the epilogue

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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regal garden all cthonic companions

its the rarest??????????

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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at 5 percent

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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huh

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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so my highest heat run was 8

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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16 heat prize is 5.1 percent

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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but i literally did a 16 heat run just go the skelly trinket for the achievement

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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wat

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ok...?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:27 PM

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maxing each standard keepsake is 5.5 percent

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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thats a fun one tho tbh

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:28 PM

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purge a legendary boon is the least rare achievement

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i need

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cause i got charon achievement today

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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omfg

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i hate this

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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charon?

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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last room

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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as in win the fight?

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uhoh

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

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so many empty tables :(

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gg

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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honestly waht surprises me most about hades

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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...__...

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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and steam achievements

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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dammit

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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full cleared styx and not a single well

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to purge

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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is like the level of clears on the region achievements

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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bad rng...

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

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like 59 percent of people who own the game

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have cleared elysium

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it takes alot to get to that point and beat it i think

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Biscuits

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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that feels high for steam tbh

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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yeah

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Died to lernie

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Time for run 3

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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79 percent have cleared tartarus

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and 71 pecent asphodel

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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i finally got a legendary BEFORE heroes and i couldnt even purge it

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smh

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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it doesnt take a lot but it takes a bit

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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yesah

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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the asphodel one is scarier to me

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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its not like

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something most players would probably get to do

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which either shows 1. hades players are really dedidicated

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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cause the gameplay loop till you beat elysium for the first time is really engaging

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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^^^

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:31 PM

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probably that

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yeah

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only 45 percent have escaped though

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14 percent really dropped off

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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hades is hard

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and styx can be annoying

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for early players

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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yeah i feel like styx and especially hades

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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i mean i still can lose 150 hp to poison

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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massive roadblock to get used to and get through

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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not can, it probably happened in my last run lol

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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one that surprises me as well

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40 percent have beaten thanatos by 15 or mor ekills

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:32 PM

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eh

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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which probably shows people have encountered him in tartarus

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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sometimes u just get a build that pops off

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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but you haev to get a bit into it to get thanatos to appear at all

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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nah i got that one in elysium

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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yeah i got that one my first encounter lmao

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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its really easy there since you get 2 for the bright fellas

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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alright, i have a question for anyone who tries to speedrun the game: what is essential to acquiring fast times?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

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also what i dont get

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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just tried a run with the hermes feather for the entire run, and only lost to it twice

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but i still got one of my worst times

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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approximately 1 percent more people have got 10 clears

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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i dont think you need hermes at all for speedrunning

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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than have cleared the game with every weapon

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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movement speed is the last of your worries

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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dense crown i dont think you need hermes at all for speedrunning

of course not

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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you want fast kill times not fast movement speed

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

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but it is a handy timer to see how fast you clear room

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rooms

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its just something coincidental

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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my first sub 20 was lambent plume

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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my main question still is, how do i properly get fast times?

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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a good build and not messing up

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shredding bosses is essential to a fast clear

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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not as much the rooms?

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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I gave you some advice

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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no but u cant have only good room clear

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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though i usually am at 3,5 minutes per floor

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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Bosses will be torn to shreds anyways

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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i assume the standard thing is that you need specific builds

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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u need a build that has good room clear as well as good good boss shred

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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which is what he probably wants

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ye but what is that build?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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a fast styx

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is needed also

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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eris zeus

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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can make a break or a time

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

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thats just another dumb rng factor

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:37 PM

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no but i'm just saying its something you need to keep in mind

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:37 PM

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my sub 20 runs are all with eris or hades

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i think i have one or 2 meme runs with shield

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:37 PM

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proven osprey I gave you some advice

i know, but i got curious nonetheless after trying to level my feather and seeing that supposed fast clears according to the game combined are still rather slow

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Always take mid shop, always go for minibosses

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:37 PM

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companions are essential as well

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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my sub 20s are all with fists

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lol

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Meg is the best for speedruns

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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also calls

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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so Learn the megs

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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fasted is a sub 19 with talos

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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like for instance i think my fastest heroes kill is under 45 seconds

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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yeah my fastest is like 15:30, but i got screwed out of a minute by styx sadly

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:38 PM

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group them together and use meg companion and spam zeus call with privileged status gg

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:39 PM

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mine is 16 50 i believe on nemesis

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but i got an 18 with a forced full clear styx...

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with crit bow

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da best build uwu

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:39 PM

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crit bow pog

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i think i had that with

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uh

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forgot which weapon, lemme see

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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Zagreus Bow

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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wispy mulch i know, but i got curious nonetheless after trying to level my feather and seein...

The plume requires you to go a bit fast but you need to be faster than that

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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Best Bow

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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proven osprey The plume requires you to go a bit fast but you need to be faster than that

clearly

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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THANK YOU

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who needs chiron for high damage special

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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MonkaChrist

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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outta here with that GARBAGE

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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also using another keepsake than plume will get you a faster/more efficient clear lol

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:40 PM

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smack a dude for 5k

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send him to the moon

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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apparently stygius is my fastest? with guan yu close behind it, like 15 seconds

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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one that either gives u damage or a better build

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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dense crown also using another keepsake than plume will get you a faster/more efficient clea...

i dont actually use plume lol

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ive only used it once, the last run, just to level it

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i know it doesnt help for speed

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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it helps for face tanking

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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dodge chance is useless if you dont even get hit in the first place

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and conditional 20% movement speed

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when youre dashing for your movement anyways

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meh

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:42 PM

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i once did a 50% dodge chance run

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:42 PM

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which if you use a weapon that makes you a bit of a sitting duck is pretty good

forest marsh Jan 13, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Funnily enough, my fastest bow time was also my first 32 heat clear squirtdevious

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:42 PM

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it was.. not really noticeable

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:42 PM

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but other than that its bad lol

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lmaooo nice

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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wait wtf

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Dodge is a very good stat

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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hermes has 2 legendaries

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how am i supposed to even force those

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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proven osprey Dodge is a very good stat

dodging hades' lasers tho

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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???????

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he has the recall one

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thats it right?

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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yes, depending the type of cast

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:43 PM

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ive gotten that like 4 times

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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no he has anotherone

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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WAT

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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you have to be using the other mirror buff

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thats why

forest marsh Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Bad News is the Stygian version

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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ok google

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what the fu

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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one for infernal soul and one for stygian

forest marsh Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Also known as the best version

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Greater recall for infernal cast and Bad News for Stygian

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Requires the Stygian Soul Mirror Ability

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ah

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checks out

forest marsh Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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But if you want Hermes legendary you can always just run Plume

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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oh you have to be using his keepsake to get them

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thats dumb

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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or auto/quick reload

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or do you really need both

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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you don't have to

forest marsh Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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You don't have to use it, but it counts as a prereq

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Just makes it easy

wispy mulch Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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no it says one of two

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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It's just a free prereq

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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it would make it faster

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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dense crown oh you have to be using his keepsake to get them

or have auto reload/flurry cast

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ive gotten them a bunch tho

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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since u only see hermes like what 3 times

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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its easy

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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yeah

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:46 PM

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ye

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:46 PM

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ok well ill do those real quick

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:46 PM

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but 3 times

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every run

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at least

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:46 PM

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maybe i can get it early enough i can purge it for the achievement

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:46 PM

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if you skip on final elysium shop

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or get him in styx shop

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or any shop in general

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you can easily make it 5 visits

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and since you also clear out the pool you can fprce it in 3 runs

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:47 PM

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i hate using the plume cuz every time i clear a room it sounds like im doing the fitnessgram pacer test

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 11:48 PM

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lmaooo

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also

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why are the auto reloads things

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in the wiki

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x

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the time on rare and heroic

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cause they can't not exist when demeter can affect them with her common rank up boon whatever its called

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is it just not known or something?

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 11:58 PM

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p sure eurydice can also rank them up

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but yeah probably just no data submitted

proven osprey Jan 14, 2021, 12:01 AM

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^

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 12:15 AM

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ok i did it i just sold literally all my boons and rerolled twice

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selling all my boons each time

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time to die

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it was deadass the last boon to pop up

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gonna buy my titan blood and die to styx

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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...

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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lmao

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worth

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even better i got a funny dialogue with hypnos cuz i used hammer in styx and got the self damage rail special and killed myself with it

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 12:21 AM

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wow

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booze beam run is starting off well

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got a level 2 drunken strike chamber 2

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 12:37 AM

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I'm a dumby

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I was trying to get merciful end

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and then sold athena flourish

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oml

spiral badge Jan 14, 2021, 12:41 AM

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onion

rare kindle Jan 14, 2021, 12:42 AM

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Ouch

spiral badge Jan 14, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Chiron update: Chiron go brr

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It was a trash clear time but probably had my most powerful Chiron run ever just now

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Aphro attack arty special

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Heart rend sweet surrender pressure points marked target and even got hunting blades for cherry on top

forest marsh Jan 14, 2021, 12:45 AM

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Heart Rend build doesn't mess around

spiral badge Jan 14, 2021, 12:45 AM

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Chiron go brrrrrrrrrrr

rare kindle Jan 14, 2021, 12:46 AM

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The minotaur spun around so much in EM3

spiral badge Jan 14, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Take it easy asterius

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You’re gonna make yourself sick buddy

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And stomach bile definitely stains brass armor

rare kindle Jan 14, 2021, 12:47 AM

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I've played EM3 before, but I swear he doesn't usually spin as much

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but this time he spun around like 3 times

forest marsh Jan 14, 2021, 12:50 AM

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Yeah, how often he spins seems to vary a lot

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Some fights he doesn't spin at all for me

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Though if you're going fast enough, that will factor into it as well

rare kindle Jan 14, 2021, 12:51 AM

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I had aphrodite's legendary and I think he damaged theseus a few times but it was hard to tell

sonic crypt Jan 14, 2021, 12:51 AM

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hidden sword + heart rend = BIG damage

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 1:13 AM

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booze beam in victory

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if you wanna chekc the build

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 1:50 AM

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wow

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lmfao

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i wasnt even trying for it

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but i got legendary poseidon before hydra

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 1:51 AM

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wow

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cool

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 1:52 AM

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doing water gun build

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by that i mean shield omegalul

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charged shot is so fun

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 1:53 AM

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yeah i need to do a water gun run tbh

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probably gonna do a uh

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super soaker next lucifer run

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 1:55 AM

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pog

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got sudden rush

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 1:57 AM

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that's the

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quicker charge up right

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i think i got that with uh

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maybe chaos once i can't remember

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chaos + projectile hammer is such a good combo

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ranged spam

coarse wedge Jan 14, 2021, 2:04 AM

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question that ive had since i started the game, the keepsakes that give you stats by doing x like lambent plume or than's butterfly, do you keep those stats if you change keepsake? would be really useful to know

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:06 AM

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nah bro

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https://gfycat.com/fragrantdeadlyjay

Gfycat

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water gun shield cares not for your shields

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:06 AM

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holy

misty turret Jan 14, 2021, 2:06 AM

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coarse wedge question that ive had since i started the game, the keepsakes that give you stat...

no

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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you should probably get some other weapon boons though

coarse wedge Jan 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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misty turret no

thats sad shadegrief

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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like one for rhe shield

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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i know lOL

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i need privileged status

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i dont even have rupture yet tho lmfao

coarse wedge Jan 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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also punkrr what did you use to make that gif if i could know?

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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gfycat

coarse wedge Jan 14, 2021, 2:07 AM

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ok ill check that out thanks!

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:08 AM

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shield (water gun)

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:08 AM

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ive forced this build 3 times today and its been so fun every time

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charged shot with poseidon is so meme

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:09 AM

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yeah my booze beam run was really fun alps

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also

rain juniper Jan 14, 2021, 2:09 AM

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never ever get dash nova from daedelus on sword

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it screws with your movement so much

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:09 AM

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it was a brilliant but potentially run ending plan but it worked so well

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what's dash nova

rain juniper Jan 14, 2021, 2:09 AM

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hammer boon

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:09 AM

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do u mean the special dash

rain juniper Jan 14, 2021, 2:10 AM

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it makes you lunge ahead

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:10 AM

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yeah that one is weird

rain juniper Jan 14, 2021, 2:10 AM

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when you use special on sword

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:10 AM

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u fly all over the place lol

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if ur not careful

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:18 AM

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ok i have a question

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i now have the needed requirements for hunting blades

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:18 AM

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yes

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:18 AM

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but there is a trial in the next chamber

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:18 AM

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good bon

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:18 AM

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demeter and ares

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:18 AM

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boon

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:19 AM

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if i get ares in that door

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:19 AM

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yes you can

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:19 AM

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is it possible to get duo?

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:19 AM

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the only situation it wouldn't be

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is if it was ares and artemis

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can't get the duo of both gods in a trial

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:19 AM

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oh ok tenks

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:19 AM

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so yes go get hunting blades

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:19 AM

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pain i didnt get it

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but i got black metal

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which is cool still

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:20 AM

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go for ares legendary and hunting blades

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itll be really op

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i need to do that one day tbh

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just go full blades and artemis and get them buffed

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:21 AM

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ye ist what im building

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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cool gl

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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i also got auto reload from hermes which is nice

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wanted the legendary

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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do you have fated persuasion

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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but tis not dropping

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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ooh

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yeah i still need both hermes legendary for the prophecy

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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dude i cant

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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last boon prophecy

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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this build is too funny

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i love poseidon

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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what are you doing

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:22 AM

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https://gfycat.com/liquidvapidhammerheadshark

Gfycat

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all my homies hate fat rats

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:23 AM

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poseidon in styx

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classic

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poseidon builds can snow ball really fast tbh

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:23 AM

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yeah

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its kinda insane

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i literally 3 shot all the bosses

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:23 AM

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wow 1390 damage

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:23 AM

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also this https://gfycat.com/fluidheavyflea

Gfycat

xd

▶ Play video

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:23 AM

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i should do that lucifer run tbh

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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Stop bulli

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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of super soaker

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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you wanna see bulli?

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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that's em3 wow

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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https://gfycat.com/sillyseparatekillerwhale

Gfycat

xd3

▶ Play video

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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Is that charged shot sudden rush?

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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sorry for spam but this is bulli

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charged shot sudden rush and blue tier swift strike from hermes

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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beyblade and gun theseus

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wow

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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beyblade literally cant touch me

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:24 AM

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swift strike as well

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are you knocking back asterius back as he moves towards you

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:25 AM

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yeah i persausioned for it lol

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yes lmao

sonic crypt Jan 14, 2021, 2:25 AM

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god they did touch you, 20hp left & 1 DD gone 😛

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:25 AM

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ok well

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:25 AM

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theres tiny knockback on bosses

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:25 AM

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have you got that boon that boosts knockback damage

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:25 AM

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sonic crypt god they did touch you, 20hp left & 1 DD gone 😛

i actually lost that on an ares trial cuz im bad

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LOL

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:25 AM

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on bosses

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:26 AM

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ok i have privileged status now with dio dash and chill on special

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gonna go meme hades

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its not em4 so w/e

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:26 AM

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omg

#

ps

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send us a gif od you shredding hades

sonic crypt Jan 14, 2021, 2:27 AM

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Is that just zag shield?

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:27 AM

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looks like it

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you probably wouldn't get mcuh better on other shield aspects

sonic crypt Jan 14, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I don't even remember what zag shield does was more my point KEKW

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:27 AM

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if you were doing chaos you would probably be spamming special alot more

#

it uh

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boosts strike / dash strike damage

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the op knockbacky

#

attack

sonic crypt Jan 14, 2021, 2:28 AM

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oh that's pretty neat with charged shot then

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:29 AM

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i kind of wanna try the build now tbh

#

maybe like

#

you could get

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curse of pain + heartbreak strike

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along with those two hammed and curse of longing

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just spam doom and weak and whittle foes down

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 2:30 AM

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pain, i bought artemis on shop and still no duo boon

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:30 AM

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yeah i just use zag shield

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its literally my favorite aspect

sonic crypt Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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chaos was my fave aspect originally but I think I'm leaning towards hidden sword or demeter fists

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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not sure what my favourite shield aspect

#

zag is nothing but consistent

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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yeah i like it cuz its so flexible

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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but i find the other shield aspects more interesting these days

coral cave Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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i like zeus shield quite a bit

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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zeus is not bad

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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i did nearly lose a zag shield run today but that was more due to me playing bad

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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rip

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https://gfycat.com/uniquefriendlyjaguar

Gfycat

413

▶ Play video

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:31 AM

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and factors about the run thst heavily affected how i built

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:32 AM

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i didnt even put privileged status on him

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:32 AM

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its worse than i expected

sonic crypt Jan 14, 2021, 2:32 AM

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Yeah I nearly lot a beo run today, but that's absolutely cause I'm bad

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gonna keep trying zeus cause people hype it up a lot

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:32 AM

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yeah i did fight charon in thw run and lose a dd to tiny vermin

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tiny vermin being rhe main one

#

and probably the fact that i spent all my gold on titan blood instead of my build

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:33 AM

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tiny vermin is actually so hard

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:33 AM

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the point is though i did rhe run

misty turret Jan 14, 2021, 2:33 AM

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tiny vermin ought to be hired as a backup for cerberus tbh

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:33 AM

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yeah on the shield build i had it wasn't equipped for a quick takedown of him

#

tiny vermin is harder to get past than cerberus

dense crown Jan 14, 2021, 2:36 AM

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the only time i really breeze on that fight is with a zeus rail

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cuz its so easy to cleave all the fatrats

#

without poisoning urself

#

https://gfycat.com/amplefrequentgrasshopper almost died for the meme

Gfycat

#

something spiked him for 1400

#

idk if it was a wall slam or what

gusty dagger Jan 14, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Anyone got any good guan yu spin attack builds?

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Anything that makes the spin attack charge faster

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Deadly Strike and Massive Spin

misty turret Jan 14, 2021, 2:50 AM

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massive spin, winged serpent, go ham

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:51 AM

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any spin hammers probably

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Relevant

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https://streamable.com/fdj77r

Streamable

Doomstone What Doomstone

▶ Play video

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:52 AM

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what the

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ok

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wow

coral cave Jan 14, 2021, 2:52 AM

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that is disgusting

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:52 AM

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i hate that

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so much

coral cave Jan 14, 2021, 2:52 AM

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nasty

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:53 AM

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i should use deadly strike now but

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wow

coral cave Jan 14, 2021, 2:53 AM

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deadly strike's actually really useful

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unless you're using the rail of course

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 2:54 AM

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Of ur da rail

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:54 AM

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i mean deadly strike for guan yu

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Then use Zeus and set sail

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Jkjkjk

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:55 AM

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once i get it to level 5

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i think uh

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charged skewer is good with guan tu

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yu

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for a special build

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 2:58 AM

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What's the standard 32 heat array on Hell Mode?

Hard Labour 5
Lasting Consequences 1
Jury Summons 3
Calisthentics Program 1
Personal Liability 1
Extremes Measures 10
Middle Management 2
Benefits Package 5
Convenience Fee 2

That's 30. 2 points of Damage Control for some aspects. What would be best for the last two?

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 2:58 AM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies check pinned messages @hot crane

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Thank

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 2:59 AM

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personal liability?

coral cave Jan 14, 2021, 3:00 AM

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dont think thats a pact lol

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:02 AM

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It's in hell mode

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Removes the invulnerability window when you take damage

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:02 AM

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oh

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Did no one else start on hell mode >.>

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:03 AM

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no

coral cave Jan 14, 2021, 3:03 AM

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nah i like having fun

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:04 AM

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After beating Dead Cells BC5 40 times I felt like it was a fair challenge

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Personal liability can be rough in a few spots though (Hades Lasers QQ)

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:05 AM

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yeah

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or just

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get over 60 percent dodge

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and run in front of the lasers and take no

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damage

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😎

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true story

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Ive started trying to wiggle between them

coarse wedge Jan 14, 2021, 3:06 AM

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good casts for beowulf? im thinking dionysus

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Dionysus is excellent

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:06 AM

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uh not sure what beowulf cast does yet still need to reveal it

coral cave Jan 14, 2021, 3:06 AM

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or just go right up to hades

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you cant be damaged like that

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:06 AM

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I've cleared H10 with with Beo: Dio and Arty

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:07 AM

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dry ember https://streamable.com/fdj77r

@gusty dagger

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watch this

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:07 AM

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I like Arty builds with it for the possible +2 casts, but you could get Zeus/Dio boon

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Thinking on it, I'd like to try Athena to create a little deflect bubble each time you use it, since the casts dont trigger simultaneously

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Not sure it'd be better, just an idea

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:09 AM

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what does beowulf do with the casts

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i know there's a special charge

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but not sure what it does exactly

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Each cast activation loads a cast into the Bull Rush.

When the cast is loaded, the bull rush has a wider hitbox.

When you arrive at the end of the bull rush path, your cast flares out, once per use

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 3:11 AM

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with beowulf you load casts into shield and it will explode when you bullrush. it doesnt lodge so your casts always available

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Except dio and Ares casts which leave fog and a rift

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:11 AM

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oh

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cool

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:11 AM

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The startup on attack/special is a bit slower, and you take +10% damage at all times

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:11 AM

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so you smash into rhe enemy and also collide a cast into them at close proximity

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Yeah, but the AOE huge

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You do have to aim a bit, since if your path goes past the target you may whiff

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:12 AM

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ok

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right got it

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how does the beowulf shield throw work

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is it any different

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Ricochets once, bit more damage, slower startup

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:13 AM

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cool

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so the beowulf shields does to casts

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basically makes it kind of a hera

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shield

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Ah, so the damage on the throw is 45 compared to default 15

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and yeah

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:14 AM

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ok idea

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 3:15 AM

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at max upgrade, a loaded bullrush does 100 damage(non including cast)

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:15 AM

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charged shot beowulf

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basically just making rhe shield a j

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hera

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:15 AM

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I just did a charged shot run with Arty and 5 casts!

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:15 AM

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ooh

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:15 AM

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It's dummy strong

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:15 AM

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how was it like

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sounds fun

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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I melted everything, Heat 11, the 5 casts were enough to almost one shot all styx enemies except rats+armored foes

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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wow

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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I didnt even put anything into attack/special the whole run

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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how was hades

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oh

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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EZ

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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you just

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spammed charged shot and boosted cast

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Yep!

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:17 AM

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sounds cool

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Lightning dash, Grabbed Demeter call at the end

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:17 AM

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i kind of want to make sure i get beowulf shield now

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demeters call solid

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good area control one of my favourite general ones to just pick

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works with alot of builds

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Yeah, I'll grab hers if I'm offered/not going for something else (usually I pick hers, Artie's, or Ares')

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Do you know Beowulf unlock?

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:18 AM

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yeah i have the phrase from chaos

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to like get rhe waking one

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just need to get the waking phrase from them

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then i csn pay 3 titan blood and have all the aspects

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:19 AM

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hell yeah!

coarse wedge Jan 14, 2021, 3:20 AM

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huh, wiki says hermes favor is talking to him with 3star lambent plume but im not triggering it, anyone knows why?

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:20 AM

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dialogue trees problems

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probably

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just need to get it right

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took ages for me to get ares to admit id killed 10k people to unlock the favour

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:21 AM

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yeah, just keep it up

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By the time I got that Ares dialogue I killed ~26k

coarse wedge Jan 14, 2021, 3:21 AM

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perma lambent plume it is i guess

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Not a bad one to keep on

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:22 AM

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yeah i had well over 20k

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as well

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i have 31k now i think

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at least 30k

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over 94 escapes iirc

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 3:29 AM

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cant post pics

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but bruh

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finished the run

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didnt get artemis ares duo boon

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but i still just used only cast on hades lmao

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 3:29 AM

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use imgur as paste link here

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to post pics

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:29 AM

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post in #h1-victory-boasting if you're posting the end screen

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 3:30 AM

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oh ye

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:33 AM

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once your gods legacy is upgraded alot more

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you'll probably have alot more duos / legendaries

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its only 3 percent now

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if you need darkness just farm darkness in runs

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 3:39 AM

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infernal soul or stygian soul? for aphrodite cast build?

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 3:47 AM

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infernal

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 3:48 AM

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It matters more what weapon tbh

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 3:52 AM

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yeah

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ans what boons you're going for

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and aspect

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 3:56 AM

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most of the cast weapons like infernal because they can dislodge fast. only achilles doesnt do that,off the top of my head. but i still prefer infernal on it. then try for hermes quick reload

gusty rapids Jan 14, 2021, 3:56 AM

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eh I think aphro cast almost always goes infernal regardless of weapon, if ur going cast build

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 3:57 AM

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i only consider stygian if my main damage isn't reliant on spamming cast

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Wait are aphro cast builds not a meme?

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How do you build them?

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 4:10 AM

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it's good on hera

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Ohhhh

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Thanks, I have something new to try :)

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How does Ares interact with Hera? Rift on impact?

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:11 AM

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yeah

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probably that

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but yeah my first and only hera run

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 4:12 AM

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yeah rift on impact

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it's quite underwhelming imo

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 4:12 AM

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Yea i realized that aphorcast is infernal

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:12 AM

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an exit wounds hera crush shot

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run

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it was amazing

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so fun

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did 1k+ damage per loaded shot

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 4:13 AM

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But ares cast is stygian so you dont have to pick those and then get chaos for extra cast

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What i did earlier

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:13 AM

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also was my first em3 clear

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i do like

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crush shot

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on stuf though

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it can be really good just like doesn't have rbe range

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:14 AM

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I also dont like needing Blown Kiss for that extra bit of range

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But I definitely need to try Aphro Hera and Beowulf

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:16 AM

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yeah i think

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aphro beowulf could be good from what ive heard

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Definitely depends on the range of the AOE

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:17 AM

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especially if i combined it with a good duo

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Blown kiss isn't necessary: it's just a solid upgrade for crush shot.

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:17 AM

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yeah

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maybe not low tolerance

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i can see maybe if you did

junior tinsel Jan 14, 2021, 4:17 AM

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I just noticed i still havent given aphro honey so i cant use her keepsake yet lmao

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:17 AM

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deadly strike / crush shot heart rend beowulf?

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Low tolerance seems not great with beo

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Heart rend sounds good though

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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yeah

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is it a fast hitting weapon i havent used it

empty heron Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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No

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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i mean like lucifer works great with low tolerance

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Beowulf? No, it is relatively slow

empty heron Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Beo is v slow

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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ok then clearly it isn't good low tolerance

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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However, speedruns beg to differ

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:18 AM

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so heart rend would work

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Heart rend sounds good yeah

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Put weak on attack and take artemis' cast. Sounds like a solid plan since they both hit simultaneously

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:20 AM

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right

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ooh

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ok

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:21 AM

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ME might work too for the same reason

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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ME?

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Merciful End

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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ooh

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like

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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ME is strong for fast weapons. on beo its like, a weak cast with extra doom damage

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Well, technically the attack hits first on beo, but the idea is still there.

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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thanks

gusty dagger Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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That duo boon used to be so much better

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:22 AM

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like phalanx shot + curse of agony

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?

gusty dagger Jan 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Fastest speedrun duo boon

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Phalanx flare, but yes

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Merciful End is still very good

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Ok so ME doesn't need to deflect anything right?

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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it doesn't

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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hype

gusty dagger Jan 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Yeah from SSS tier it became like A tier

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Well... it does in order to proc the doom

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:24 AM

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ME is busted on right weap/build

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I imagine ME is less amazing than heart rend for beowulf.

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But it may be fun to experiment

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:24 AM

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ME on beowolf is a... mmm

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:24 AM

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yeah

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do you think

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I dont think beo needs any duos

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Other then dio duos

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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i don't think that would work just thought of an idea then realise it wouldn't work

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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With maybe aphro

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Not everyone is gonna insta play dio niko :p

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Or Zeus

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Nono ik

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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how would

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Wsit oops

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Mb i was thinking

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Out lid

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Lpud*

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Zeus cast is trash on beowulf. Do not use it

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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zeus / athena duo play on beowulf

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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poseidon cast is best

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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like lightning phalanx

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Ooo aphro cast is fun too

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Flood flare does give the most bang for your buck

jagged grove Jan 14, 2021, 4:25 AM

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On beo

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Yuh posi on beo feels noice

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:26 AM

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it does sound very good

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Does zeus cast just send out a bolt in front?

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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I remember doing phalanx flare on beo and it slapped!

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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someone get that charged shot sudden rush poseidon build

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Sends a bolt where you land

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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someone did earlier

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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The range is smaller than most flares though

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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and use it oj beo

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with flood flare

fading garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Charged shot is amazing on beo

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:27 AM

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it sounds amazing

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 4:28 AM

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the dragon rush damage is huge. if you use dio cast youre waiting for fog to end, and youre not spamming the rush as much as you could

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:30 AM

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I think Dio cast is less optimal than others but it's nonetheless strong. It's best combo would be dio/zeus boon, but that would be more for fun

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:30 AM

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scintillating feast + ice wine beowulf???

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would that be good

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cause that js like one of the best duo boon combos imo

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its so mcuh fun to plan with

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 4:31 AM

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ice wine was kinda weird when i tried it. the damage was delayed so boss would just walk away before it explodes

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:31 AM

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Yeah that sounds strong if you get both, unsure if it would fall off in high heat

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Wait, the blast isn't simultaneous with the dio explosion?

coarse moss Jan 14, 2021, 4:32 AM

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yeah, when i tried with beo

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the zeus duo is great though

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:35 AM

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yeah i what beo now

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ill try to get it tomorrow

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do a load of chaos runs

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:37 AM

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implying every run shouldnt involve chaos

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:37 AM

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yeah well i mean

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cosmic eggs runs

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like making sure i go to chaos for rhe dialogue

dry ember Jan 14, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Chaos is fun until you misclick + 73% enemies

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Bonus point if you have Tight Deadline on

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:38 AM

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yeah i got like

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i swear like +89 percent enemies???

hot crane Jan 14, 2021, 4:39 AM

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back-to-back chaos Curse +70% enemies, -50% speed

regal garden Jan 14, 2021, 4:39 AM

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as an option

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i was 70-80