because it doesnt count against shackle
#h1-builds-and-combat
opal lodge
daring turtle
can chaos curses sometimes glitch and not tell you the correct duration? I just had one that was supposed to last 3 encounters, but even after 5 I was still affected - well I was on the 5th encounter anyway
misty turret
rooms without enemies aren't encounters so it wont tick down in those rooms; although if you went through 5 fights and it wasnt gone idk
craggy rapids
Is Tempest Flourish with Chaos Shield worth considering?
robust anchor
probably zeus on special and try to get jolted
misty turret
almost maxed out all the aspects on my gun
just need to get lv.5 hestia
i can see why people like hestia
desert berry
probably zeus on special and try to get jolted
What's jolted
dry ember
What's jolted
It's the status effect caused by Zeus. When enemies attack they take damage.
vale imp
i think the boon is called Static Discharge or sumthing
west charm
Magnetic Cutter with Poseidon Boon is great
I beat a miniboss by just standing a bit aways from the wall and spamming Q
misty turret
i'm sorry, little one https://i.imgur.com/2KvU79c.png
pseudo stream
what ahve you done, pajama day
shell raptor
controversial opinion, but I like divide strike more than divine dash 
trail topaz
I don’t use divine anymore, I just dodge stuff
shell raptor
fair lol
misty turret
it returns https://i.imgur.com/kXx6RDX.png
i also got the rare fish in styx this run
very cool
shell raptor
it returns https://i.imgur.com/kXx6RDX.png
nice!
misty turret
19 heat bow done
shell raptor
Dude that's insane, the highest heat I've done is 17. I also kinda find myself using the bow at all, I use everything else tho
any recommendations on how to build the bow?
misty turret
i was using rama that run
ill post in #h1-victory-boasting
basically i just used shackle until i got heartbreak strike and then swapped to eurydice's thing for styx
looks like next time i do a run it'll be 20 heat arthur time 👀
shell raptor
hell yea, that looks like it should be a good run! I like the Arthur aspect a ton
fair tree
any tips with the aspect of arthur
wait what
didn't even see lapeyus' message till after i posted that
proud plover
So... Do all the weapons have a base critical chance and I never noticed or is the 4th sword aspect that has one not listed?
I thought crit only came with Art booons
trail topaz
I thought nemesis aspect had crit chance
proud plover
it does, listed
dry ember
So... Do all the weapons have a base critical chance and I never noticed or is t...
Nemesis Sword and Zegreus Bow both have innate crit chance.
trail topaz
neat
proud plover
Weird. I feel like ||Arthur|| was criting before me getting any boon
vapid yacht
fading garden
So I wanna do a cold embrace build. What weapon do you think would work best for this?
My guess is achilles spear, but I am not too sure
sullen valley
Weird. I feel like ||Arthur|| was criting before me getting any boon
Probably the 200 damage third swing.
That thing is a whopper for a reason
glass star
Damn, I just wasted a fantastic build
Zeus and Ares, all having synergy with a ton of posiden stuff
Dps was at the point that Styx encounters were seconds long
So I wanted to get my best time and tried to just chew through hades, and I underestimated how quickly he could melt through DD’s
F
pallid kernel
anyone else like running malhphone with zeus
the magnetic aspect forgot the name
and getting demeter chill for nice 40% dmg
spiral badge
I mean
Absolutely
Talos is nutty with lots of specials, Demeter included
And fists love Zeus no matter what
Though Talos doesn’t straight buff Zeus himself, but really the meathook aspect of Talos is far and away more important than the attack buff in most situations
Speaking of Talos, how do people feel about heavy knuckle since the patch?
fading garden
Arctic blast with freezing vortex is beautiful
fading garden
Are you referring to the lack of a penny?
fading garden
Hope you don't need a diamond
eternal monolith
I just got the Dusa collectible. One, oh god it's so cute, two, how would I use it in a typical room? Is it a viable choice for bosses or should it be saved for nasty regular encounters? 
fading garden
Companions are better used for bosses.
You can use them for encounters, but since you only have 1 use, I'd be mindful of how you use it
eternal monolith
Save it for brightshields, thanks 
Some level of joking aside, I think I know where to save my companion in most cases. Thanks for the heads-up
fading garden
For the time being, it is a good idea to use it on the final fight
Note, ambrosia can upgrade how many times you can use it a run
dry ember
I just got the Dusa collectible. One, oh god it's so cute, two, how would I use ...
You can use it for both. Though for me, I like using companions for:
Asphodel Miniboss
Elysium Miniboss
Elysium Boss
Styx Miniboss
Hades
eternal monolith
Finally, a reason to use ambrosia other than Titanblood bait
sand vapor
at the start, i always save it for the final boss then forget it even exists
fading garden
Finally, a reason to use ambrosia other than Titanblood bait
Yep, you'll need a lot of it
It takes 84 ambrosia to max all the conpanions
14 ambrosia for each one
sand vapor
which one do you guys usually use?
fading garden
I mix it up, but I love Antos!
sand vapor
i usually use battie
fading garden
That is a common favorite
sand vapor
tho thats probably cause im a mega stan
fading garden
Wait... I did do my math wrong
Okay, it's 60 ambrosia to max all companions. There we go
daring turtle
Shady is pretty nice - you get free resources
fading garden
Shady is a solid one. I quite enjoy it
daring turtle
Just thought of a weird but potentially useful combination:
Eris + hazard bomb + broken spear point
Using hazard bomb's slight self damage to trigger invincibility before taking damage from much stronger attacks, like Hades or Charon
coral cave
Ooh that sounds pretty good actually
stone mango
What's a good hestia rail build?
gusty rapids
put something high percentage on the attack, preferably artemis but something like aphro can work too
a good dash with some nice AoE helps too since hestia struggles with AoE, so like poseidon dash or aphro dash is good
any percentage on the special really (aphro, demeter, athena, arty, etc)
thats pretty much it for core boons, another boon that hestia likes is battle rage
hestia doesnt need too much to work
stone mango
wait, percentage on attack or special?
i think the empowered attack is stilll an attack move?
gusty rapids
both actually
u dont really want zeus dio or ares on the attack or special
artemis is really nice on the attack because giving your empowered shot the chance to crit is huge
thing crits for massive damage lmao
if you go arty attack, hunters mark is also really nice (pressure points helps too)
stone mango
how do i use hestia? do i just alternate special and the empower shot?
gusty rapids
so ideally almost all of your attacks should be empowered
hestia plays in a nice rhythm, where you attack into reload constantly
you can hit reload and special buttons simultaneously for both to happen, so usually i do something like attack -> reload + special -> attack etc
stone mango
thisis actually really good, thx for the tip!
gusty rapids
np, glad i could help
one thing i will say is make sure your reload button is on something comfortable LOL
stone mango
q and r feels good
gusty rapids
usually people have to remap it somewhere other than the default
yeah whatever works for you, just making sure
stone mango
what hammer upgrades do you recommend?
vale imp
the reflecting shot is the best one on Hestia
vale imp
yes what Croven said
gusty rapids
if you use your special often with the reload, targeting system is also quite good
i personally like hazard bomb a lot, but using it is something to get used to
cluster + rockets together are decent, cluster by itself is fine, rocket by itself kind of messes with the rhythm but some people like it
everything else is just whatever
dry ember
I wonder if I get cluster rocket on Hestia should I just pretend that I'm playing Eris
gusty rapids
nah the empowered shot is still really good
eris kinda just dashes in and spams attack till the clip is empty which isnt great on hestia, since u dont have 75% global damage buff
hybrid plume
quick someone give me a fun build
at heat 13 keep losing to EM4 Hades but everything before that is a breeze
sullen valley
Just anything that involves you getting the Poseidon/Zeus duo.
Say uh, Hyper Sprint, Swift Strike, or Quick Recovery?
Using Arthur
coral cave
Sucks that they made it so you have to use poseidon special for sea storm
sullen valley
wym Poseidon Special?
It could be any Poseidon Boon. Also, Sea Storm activates with any knockback, like Shield.
So, basically, you can technically use Sword or Shield without Poseidon on your Attack or Special to trigger Sea Storm.
coral cave
Whoops not just special
sullen valley
Heh
coral cave
What I meant to say was sucks that they made it so the dash doesn't count for sea storm
hybrid plume
alright thanks!
stone mango
Hera bow + cast stone form chaos + 2 prometheus stones + festive fog
ancient crystal
does lightning phalanx create lightning bolts?
opal lodge
no
ancient crystal
aw
drowsy stream
what's a good speedrun build for sword
proven osprey
Nemesis heart rend with deadly strike
drowsy stream
oooh
swift heath
So
Can we talk about Hestia for a minute?
It LITERALLY feels like a Shotgun
Problem is it does 75 base on one shot
So I'm wondering if there's any Hammer Boons that can help build Hestia
untold vortex
once maxed out it becomes an even better shotgun ^_^
I don't know how to build hestia though 
proven osprey
Deadly strike, hunter's mark. Does not require much boon. Ricochet top hammer with piercing fire
Yes
swift heath
Crit Hestia?
proven osprey
Shoot, reload. You can dash while reloading, or even cast
Yes because the 150 added damage can crit
So it scales really well with it
vale imp
it's way more like a sniper since ideally, you shoot from across the room
proven osprey
Yeah that's more like it
vale imp
could also go shattered shackle then get the Artemis Dash strike
proven osprey
Oh and also don't forget to backstab with Hestia, it's super strong
swift heath
I thought backstabbing was what Zagreus always did
proven osprey
Yes but since it's not high heat might as well go crit
vale imp
ah true true
swift heath
Does High Heat go for certain builds?
proven osprey
It's more like
Ok I have 3 boons, this is basically my final build
So shackle is really good since it's an epic heartbreak strike
swift heath
At least I no longer need Keys
stone mango
what goes well with gilgamesh fists?
half crater
merciful end mostly
turbid needle
which weapon should i go for crystal beam
half crater
achilles
turbid needle
aight
swift heath
Is Spread Fire complete garbage?
Because it feels a lot like a major detriment
Just for 40 Base
proven osprey
It's more like a meme
It's fun on Zag rail
But yeah, losing the range part is tough
proven osprey
Prolly still Zeus
fading garden
DC?
fading garden
Oh... yeah...
misty turret
it ranges from "practically does nothing" (e.g. chiron bow) to "very annoying" (e.g. arthur/rama)
fading garden
Good luck!
cloud vault
I wouldn't say nothing on chiron
The bow attack can get chunky itself
But Eris lol
Or Rama
I don't get why you consider it annoying on Rama which clears it better than any weapon
cloud vault
If you aren't using special on Rama what are you even doing
misty turret
im dumb
cloud vault
sullen valley
Aeugh
Do you think that Rama’s slow drawspeed is to balance out the part where you can give yourself some free 60% Damage?
cloud vault
You have to dash attack
misty turret
i was missing 0 heat bounties on my sword lmao
stone mango
What builds are there for Arthur sword?
misty turret
lol @ my fastest run yet being a boonless run
past raven
Nice lol
misty turret
https://i.imgur.com/AzeACeP.png maxed all of my gun aspects 
misty turret
perhaps taking explosive shot on rama was a bad idea
stone harbor
Don't bother trying to powershoot, just pretend you are melee
spiral badge
Yeah Rama is secretly a shotgun
Twin shot + shared suffering + Artemis = lollllll
Also whoever said spread shot wasn’t worth it needs to try it with Zeus/Art/Aphro/Dem with Zag aspect
For those old enough to have played MW3, it’s literally the AA-12, 12 round mag and all kissy fingers
rare kindle
I had that build before and I risked the anvil so it wouldn’t charge as slow
turbid needle
fated authority or persuasion?
rare kindle
Persuasion
turbid needle
okay should i go for legacy first or persuasion?
rare kindle
If you want a specific boon, it’s better to reroll boons from a god
misty turret
im using fated authority personally
misty turret
i like being able to choose, to some degree, which gods i get boons from
turbid needle
for me, i think it would be better to choose which gods since more of the same god also = more legendary boon chance
frail schooner
I had that build before and I risked the anvil so it wouldn’t charge as slow
twin shot is the #1 hammer on rama lol
turbid needle
foresight or favor?
frail schooner
foresight always
turbid needle
last question pride or legacy
frail schooner
depends on build
regal garden
if you want a specific legendary or duo / group of them
go for legacy
if you want more powerful overall boons go for pride
turbid needle
ok last question now i swear should i upgrade gods' legacy first or fated authority?
misty turret
ok fine
regal garden
youre only getting 3 percent
misty turret
fated anything takes a lot of darkness
turbid needle
so ill do legacy first
regal garden
for legacy when you could get an instnat rank on authority
misty turret
fated authority is like 11000 darkness to max out
regal garden
fated takes alot of darkness but youre gonna see instant returns
i think thats persuain
persuian goes like
misty turret
persuasion is 10000
regal garden
1000, 2000, 3000, 4000
misty turret
authority is like 500 + 750 + 1000 + 1250 + 1500 + 1750 + 2000 + 2250
regal garden
wow that takes alot
turbid needle
without spending anything on authority
misty turret
the fated stuff is the darkness sink before you have the other darkness sink kek
turbid needle
im going for legacy bc duo and legendary boons ARE the ones that affect builds the most
regal garden
(whats the other darkness sink )
misty turret
ranks
misty turret
well ranks and the uhh chaos theme
regal garden
yeah i'm gonna need alot for both
misty turret
since that's 250000 darkness iirc
regal garden
should i prioritise fated firs
regal garden
ok
misty turret
do mirror first
scenic oracle
what boons for fists of demeter?
regal garden
i plan to reset the mirror and take darkness away from the ones i don't really use once i've done the mirror prophecy
rare kindle
Zeus attack, Artemis special
vale imp
artemis special is good
regal garden
like i dont use high confidence
misty turret
dio attack + aphro special + dio/aphro duo isn't bad
both attack and special are good for status 🎷🦐
regal garden
i still need to clear on stubborn defiance and
vale imp
i plan to reset the mirror and take darkness away from the ones i don't really u...
it's pretty easy to max out everything except for the rerolls
regal garden
high confidence though
yeah i know i dont need you to ping me
probably gonna clear those with arthur though
when i unlock it
like separately so i can get health and survability
misty turret
stubborn defiance good for high heat but i wouldnt use it otherwise
misty turret
😔
regal garden
at least ill have 150 max health at the start for it
think my strat for that will be create a really tanky build and bring acorn / tooth to hades fight
misty turret
stubborn defiance shouldn't be too bad to clear with if you're not dying too much on hades
regal garden
yeah i just
need like that insurance there
i can usually beat hades using only 1 dd these days if im careful
or no dds used if im really good
but i still have those runs i lose a few
i'm gonna unlock arthur after i level eris up to level 3
rare kindle
I did the mirror prophecy using shield on heat 0
By that point I had gotten decently good enough at the hades fight using one DD and I took skelly tooth
misty turret
privileged status > family favorite
regal garden
i dsiagree
misty turret
the odds you'll have 2 debuffs from boons are pretty high
dio, aphro, demeter, zeus (jolted), poseidon (rupture), ares, athena (exposed)
all of those inflict debuffs
turbid needle
by the time enemies have 2 debuffs they will be dead tho
unless u mean for bosses
then i agree
misty turret
i disagree with that tbh
like passion dash + drunken strike mean you'll have priv status active from the first hit
misty turret
yeah there are situations where fam favorite is better i think
but priv status is more often better imo
turbid needle
whats the best/most fun shield aspect apart from hidden
misty turret
i mean the shield itself is a pretty boring weapon chaos imo
turbid needle
true so whats the best/most fun spear aspect
misty turret
guan yu imo although hades is also pretty neat
slate creek
anyone know how exactly merciful end works
doing a merciful end demeter fists build this run but realized i dont even comprehend how the duo boon works lmao
misty turret
things that inflict deflect also inflict doom i think
or wait no
normally doom has a timer on it but merciful end immediately activates doom
and gives it more damage
turbid needle
golden touch doesn't seem worth it because you need save for it to be worth it during the first 2 levels (tartarus and asphodel) which makes you miss out on 2-5 boons (2 shops per level + hermes shop)
tame bison
Setting up your build for the rest of the run is much more valuable than a bonus buy or two at Styx
past raven
You should save your obol for the last floor anyways
turbid needle
ahh ic
past raven
If you’re lucky you can get an upgraded rarity Hermes boon
tame bison
So save 500g for that and spend the rest
past raven
Or save the rest to get other stuff in the last shop
turbid needle
thought you'd want to try and speedrun hyper sprint + rush delivery asap
past raven
All the items on the upper shelf are miniboss rewards (boons are upgraded rarity & poms do 2 levels)
tame bison
Again, buying things early >> buying things later
past raven
Not necessarily
turbid needle
idk by the time I get to last level the build should be mostly complete and the rest is just increases dps to reduce time
tame bison
Exactly
turbid needle
I shouldn't be fishing for crucial boons by then because most of the DPS check is at elysium boss
past raven
You shouldn’t need to rely on shops for your build
turbid needle
I disagree because they are often the first to drop hermes
which is really good if you get rush delivery
tame bison
No one said anything about relying on shops for build.
past raven
That’s the only boon I will buy in earlier shops
frail schooner
golden touch doesn't seem worth it because you need save for it to be worth it d...
Golden touch is for bounty runs tbh
misty turret
i honestly don't usually go to shops in tartarus or asphodel much lmao
frail schooner
Also you gotta get boons to sell for UC
turbid needle
ahh
frail schooner
And taking midshops saves TD time so sometimes you have to go in them even with $0
turbid needle
yeah pretty much even with 0 gold I pick shop
just because it counts as a chamber saving time and health
frail schooner
there’s a reason most people don’t take any Convenience Fee even at 32 heat
misty turret
oh i've been taking CF for all my bounty runs lmao
frail schooner
well bounty runs means you can get away with whatever
turbid needle
I take almost anything for high heat except Health and Nyx mirror removal
thoseee are the worst ones IMO
frail schooner
You don’t take LC??
misty turret
trap damage in asphodel though
tame bison
The one that gives you 2 instead of 3 book options is way worse than LC
frail schooner
if you wanted to finish the bounties as fast as possible probably just TD3 EM2 Middle Management and add on points to Hard Labor/Damage control (depending on aspect)/etc
If you’re confident you can take Forced Overtime because it makes enemies spawn faster
misty turret
not EM3? EM theseus is piss easy
turbid needle
forgot about our minotaur friendo
solid cairn
hey koolets
misty turret
asterius isn't that bad
past raven
If you can hit Asterius with your summon he isn’t too bad
misty turret
and theseus takes like 1/3 of the time on EM for me so w/e
frail schooner
EM3 is pretty hard tbh
solid cairn
turbid needle
but the funniest part is using aphrodite on asterius just as he beyblades.. he pretty much almost takes 25% of theseus' health
frail schooner
I guess it’s not that bad with no points in LC or whatever
misty turret
just dont stand near him when he's very clearly charging the spin and there's no issue really
: |
solid cairn
a lot of the time my 40+ heat attempts die to em3 lol
frail schooner
i have more issues with miniboss asterius than actual em3
because tiny room and no acorn
frail schooner
when i’m forced to take a miniboss room in elysium it’s just 50% chance i die
turbid needle
at least you can reach 40+ heat.. I manage to complete 32 heat twice and never again
frail schooner
em1 and 2 are also kinda hard tbh but you don’t really notice until you turn them off
solid cairn
I was thinking of 40 heat all aspects as a long term goal but I just kinda stopped after a few
frail schooner
lernie without em2 is just like
solid cairn
maybe I'll just do the aspects I like first
frail schooner
not even a boss
turbid needle
em2 seems easier than original
solid cairn
my zag rail 40 heat run was something
epic dashes with spread fire and 2 attack chaos boons
misty turret
i take more damage to megagorgon and the slam jam than i do to EM2 lernie most times
turbid needle
spread fire
frail schooner
MM megagorgon is overrated tbh
solid cairn
and didnt complete it
frail schooner
Just empty dash through the shockwave, it’s the same thing as Hades
solid cairn
hades spear is a hard weapon
turbid needle
megagorgon with extreme measures.. yeah nah fam im out
solid cairn
it's not like zag spear where you can just get carried by flurry jab
turbid needle
Spear and sword are my weakness
opal lodge
you can get carried by serrated instead
solid cairn
but serrated takes skillllll
turbid needle
I prefer the superior greek weapon. Guns
opal lodge
trueee
misty turret
massive spin + winged serpent is lovely
turbid needle
opal lodge
the greeks, famous for the shotgun rail
turbid needle
tis the greatest of all greek weapons
solid cairn
I am actually a fan of zeus shield now
opal lodge
ngl im kinda sad my eris time is faster than my zag rail time now
like it should be
but its still sad
solid cairn
I almost kind of know how to use zeus shield
turbid needle
yeah but eris is just busted
solid cairn
zeus special is great
opal lodge
my only hope is to delete my eris run before they verify it
misty turret
armored greatshields have to be some of the most annoying enemies in this game
turbid needle
zeus shield is amazingly fun
solid cairn
zeus special has double strike
opal lodge
zeus shield is strange
turbid needle
I just want to get explosive return every daedalus tho
opal lodge
because the big brain nature of it
solid cairn
zeus shield ticks damage like as fast as the rail right
opal lodge
contradicts my instinct to just hold down attack
turbid needle
nah just spam special when you get explosive return and you're good
opal lodge
the fabled yoyo
frail schooner
zeus shield is like 0.3 seconds i think
solid cairn
jesus
frail schooner
it’s just above the ICD for special
solid cairn
I just want to get explosive return every daedalus tho
there are other good hammers
pulverizing blow and charged shot
cloud vault
Yeah and thunder flourish if you get it is 0.2 cool down
turbid needle
but.. I wanna yoyo..
solid cairn
yoyour heart
sorry I meant pulvericin blow
it's my hammer now
medic has delta chamber I have pulv
solid cairn
koolets your seeded run is falling off because routed lol
turbid needle
yeah I've been meaning to do seeded but I got hung up with unseeded
solid cairn
routed is a very different skill set
turbid needle
but dam I don;t think I can get the perfect RNG that #1 is getting
solid cairn
well it's routed lol
even if you did get that rng you still suffer from not knowing what to do
turbid needle
I usually route first 2 levels and just yeet myself in elysium and styx
because I ceebs remembering which path to go
turbid needle
I reset a run when I land 2 fountains and story to see if I can re-do the route
turbid needle
yeah well I usually just go with the flow with chaos but if he doesn't show in first 3 rooms it's mentally a dead run to me
solid cairn
im talking about routed nemesis
dusty merlin
Anyone got tips for a cast build or the best cast boons to get ig? I feel its either go big or go home when using cast
Like i practically never used in the first half cause i didnt upgrade nyx mirror for extra casts lol
cloud vault
You can use Achilles Spear
dusty merlin
I tried artemis exit wounds with some other boons which did massive damage but felt it missed sumn
oh?
cloud vault
Artemis has some great boons for cast, Ares offers Slicing Shot and upgrades for it
Dio Cast is pretty good too and has 2 powerful duos that make it better with Zeus and Demeter
dusty merlin
what does dio cast do
misty turret
it doesnt
dusty merlin
figured
sullen valley
So, I got an Arthur that can deal an easy 1200 damage, a lot of Zeus and Athena boons
Do I want Jolted or Clouded Judgement?
(Athena Call)
proven osprey
Jolted is good with Zeus call, or even something you'll proc often like reflexes
the thing is how often do you apply lightning
sullen valley
I got Reflex, Dash, Cast, even the Legendary
proven osprey
Jolted 100%
sullen valley
Heh, aighty
Me, with exactly 200 obol, no more Satyr tunnels (that had like 3 Wells of Charon)
I was so sleepy I may or may not have thrown my run by accidentally taking the 300 obol Pom before my last Satyr Tunnel (thinking it was a normal 100 Pom) and not the 450 Athena Boon
I almost won my run. Sucks.
proud plover
How does it goes again? Crit chance for fast weapons and % damage for slow weapons?
proven osprey
not really
Base damage is important
Like Arthur is slow but hits like a truck, so crit will be super nice. But it would still be great with Aphrodite
But usually crit is nice when you strike fast
misty turret
getting perfect catches > saving the little bit of time in my first 32 heat run
proven osprey
Or again, a big base damage to get pog numbers : Hestia, GY special, Arthur...
misty turret
what a deal! https://i.imgur.com/uau6Yq9.png
coarse moss
if we look at the common strike boons of aphro and artemis
aphrodite 50%
artemis 20% + (3x0.15) = 65%
usually you can quickly kill trash mobs more consistently with aphro, but when its boss fights artemis will do more dps due to how many times you attack. just a theory though
proven osprey
True, overkill is something to be take into account too. Depending on the aspect, your room clear may be slower with Artemis too (ie two hits to kill small things instead of one etc)
But overall Artemis scaling is just amazing
leaden bay
I'm doing OK for most of the game, but having a lot of trouble beating Hades himself consistently. I think my biggest problem is the big spear attacks.
I'm not 100% sure if they're dodgeable at all or at what moment?
turbid needle
you'll get there
the big spear spin has a huge circle warning
you should be able to dash out of range
brisk stratus
having hermes dash boons helps with that
leaden bay
I mean, can you dodge them while staying within the circle?
I.e., an iframe or some such.
coarse moss
since the circle is moving towards you, dashing forward into hades is fastest way outside the circle
leaden bay
Hehe
misty turret
with RR sometimes i have to
slim lynx
does demeter's heal boon work on cursed slash?
turbid needle
you have to get past 50% heal bonus
but I think it might
but you'll need demeter and aphro's boons
slim lynx
50% of 2 is one so it would increase my lifesteal to 3 per hit
slim lynx
ideally i'd have flurry slash, swift strike (rare or epic), cursed slash, zag aspect and whatever demeter's heal boon is named
turbid needle
cause other boons are better
slim lynx
i'm doing all of the other mirror talents so i can fulfill the prophecy
i should also definitely get greatest reflex from hermes so i can not have to time my single dashes perfectly
coarse moss
not sure if it works because guan yu heals arent affected by lasting consequence i think?
slim lynx
any tips besides just hoping for cursed slash and flurry slash?
i should actually get aphro's attack boon so there's really so way they can out-damage my healing
slim lynx
yeah, why else would i be using ruthless reflex instead of greater reflex
turbid needle
@coarse moss you can't reduce healing less than 1 @coarse moss
coarse moss
hmm i see
turbid needle
ruthless reflex isn't terrible with legendary fist aspect
slim lynx
<@!464584399061778462> you can't reduce healing less than 1 <@!46458439906177846...
well i know what i'm using when the day comes that i have to do lasting consequences
turbid needle
I go thru every tunnel every time
i'm not pro yet, I like extra dashes
i can't consistently trigger ruthless
misty turret
FFS
slim lynx
ruthless could actually be pretty nice with greatest reflex from hermes but by itself it's pretty mediocre
misty turret
@fast shard no u
i just lost that run at styx because the stupid snakestones
why oh why are they hitscan
unless i'm behind a wall i have to lose like 20 health per
turbid needle
interrupt those buggers
misty turret
yeah that's so easy
turbid needle
mr. ruthless reflex is good, it should be easy
turbid needle
it takes some timing and skill to make ruthless good
same with snake stones, imo snake stones take less timing and skill
misty turret
the big open areas in the non-elite satyr tunnels aren't very fun when there's 15 snakestones in them
rare kindle
It helps to use a heat you’ve already cleared
turbid needle
wdym?
rare kindle
Save up for the diamond or titan blood at the end and heal via dark regeneration
For the inverse mirror prophecy
turbid needle
how do you heal with dark regeneration in styx?
rare kindle
You don’t
turbid needle
yeah, I like the other regeneration for that reason
rare kindle
But you get darkness from bosses you’ve already defeated
turbid needle
i don't need healing until styx anyway
except for shield champions and mini charriots and those stray bow champions.. those guys get me some times.
exotic quail
whats the like best mirror build
rare kindle
I generally do red but I switch between privileged status/family favorite and legacy/pride and infernal/Stygian
Always do fated persuasion and dark foresight
exotic quail
ive been all red for a while and i feel like that may be a bad idea
coarse moss
i like fiery presence for fast room clears
proven osprey
All red except bottom 3 is a classic
exotic quail
i seee
proven osprey
But it depends on aspects/heat etc
exotic quail
i might reset my mirror to put everything from my red bottom to green bottom
rare kindle
Stubborn defiance is only good in really high heat or if you’re just starting out
proven osprey
i might reset my mirror to put everything from my red bottom to green bottom
Dark foresight is most important thing
exotic quail
is it really that good
ive been content with the high rare chance but i dont mind ditching it
rare kindle
Yes, so many more boons and run helping stuff
exotic quail
OH wait that means less chances of me having two rooms that are like gems and darkness
rare kindle
Yep
proven osprey
Wich do nothing for your runs. You'll get darkness by clearing a run for which bounties are already cleared tho
proven osprey
Yep 20 golds
regal garden
which is important
proven osprey
Nectar is a random pom and darkness 5hp
proven osprey
Key is the best indeed
regal garden
not that alot of these outweigh the benefit of a powerful run
but its nice to get nectar what im saying
proven osprey
But I mean that gold rooms are much more important
regal garden
yeah
regal garden
obviously boons are very important along with centaur hearts
proven osprey
But you're right. Blue rooms are not nothing
rare kindle
Keys and nectar are the best, but still pretty bad compared to just getting gold rooms
regal garden
wait so
dark foresight isnt the best to have on if youre just
doing a farming run
for darkness
proven osprey
I don't think so
regal garden
i mean
if you have dark thirst and get that poseidon boon that increases darkness gain
proven osprey
Since the darkness amount is low, you'd rather have strong runs that will be faster then you can do more and get more darkness this way
regal garden
it probably doesn't really matter with the sheer amount you'll get
if you have dark thirst and get that poseidon boon that increases darkness gain
from the bosses
proven osprey
Exactly
regal garden
i got that and got like basically 1k darkness that run
i went for the fishing legendary that run
it was fun
zinc merlin
If ur doing an actual run and you have a choice between coin and darkness, go for the coins
zinc merlin
ok
exotic quail
im definitely gonna think more about my darkness things
regal garden
wait so you know
how no one has beat above 60 heat was it
has anyone beat over 60 heat with god mode
like could you beat 63 heat with maxed god mode
finite ridge
Unless I’m misunderstanding the question, you attack while dashing
There’s no button for dash strike, you dash and then attack in the middle of it
sterile root
yea but i kinda suck at it when i see videos people are doing so well with it
i am playing on pc
finite ridge
It’s all practice
tame bison
It’s not a keyboard mouse issue. It s a you issue. Practice more
hot crane
game's hard :p
proven osprey
Controller is easier, especially for movement. KBM is fine tho, some top players use it
Just gotta find your setup
hot crane
Yeah, everyone plays differently. I have a wacky set of beindings for controller
eternal wasp
shrimp posture is pretty important for focusing so,, probably a controller
hot crane
Shrimp posture? Like hunching over?
eternal wasp
yeah pretty much
hot crane
I personally disagree, I try to recline, stay relaxed
Helps me not auto-pilot and use my head
kind finch
^
proven osprey
Shrimp posture lmao
coarse moss
shrimps dont hurt their spine tho 😆
hot crane
^
sullen valley
...Say, how do you guys get 4th Spear, Gaunt and Gun to work for you? I definitely know how and why Sword and Bow are pretty awesome, same with Shield, but those feel less powerful than Sword and Bow.
sterile root
dash on cursor is necessary? when playing dash strike build?
sullen valley
That’s uh...that just sounds like more unnecessary muscle memory. Not in terms of needing to change your style, more in terms of, you already aim with your mouse, if you were to dash to your cursor you’d need to flick your aim away.
hot crane
4th gun is nuts IMO, I prefer it with Hangover, but I haven't used the special much.
Remember you can dash while firing so you can reposition easily while crapping out damage
coarse moss
lucifer has 20 ammo, and once you stack 5 hangover cap your boon doesnt add damage anymore. zeus does much more damage
hot crane
Yeah I think you're right, I haven't tried that combo yet but I will the next time I use Lucy
But Hangover on Lucy did feel great on 8 heat
whole sapphire
Ive been doing a great build with aspect of chiron, zeus special, and ares attack
coarse moss
i havent played much with lucifer, but i imagine critical on the specials work great
hot crane
In terms of raw damage is it better to generally go Aphro or Artemis?
Not lucy, in general I suppose
whole sapphire
Crits are nuts if you get a big enough chance
coarse moss
in terms of damage, artemis when vs bosses. when room clearing aphro might be quicker. but aphro's weak has great value too
with hunter's mark crit def
much more dps than aphro
hot crane
What's considered a big crit chance?
10% seems high
But I know some weapons could well exceed that with Arty boons
whole sapphire
I think anything over 5% is pretty good
Because 4 is epic
What is a good build for chiron? Ive been trying zeus special and ares attack but I am wondering if something is better
dry ember
Artemis Special with Aphrodite Attack, search for Heart Rend.
turbid needle
hi-heat chiron? I thought I heard Chiron is better for lower heat
dry ember
nah it's fine
grizzled oyster
Why should it be bad at higher heat?
dry ember
any weapon can get 32 heat
grizzled oyster
Im only at 11, so im curious.
dry ember
Im only at 11, so im curious.
I don't think that is true. Chiron is totally fine for high heat.
There is a pinned spreadsheet of high heat completions and videos in #h1-high-heat-strategies
grizzled oyster
It feels extremly powerful, when i use it, so i wonder in which case it would get worse^^
Ok^^ I will look there.
grizzled oyster
I just beat Hades on extreme measure and it was really fun. So far im just slowly grinding heat levels to get the weapons i want maxed. Weapons like Chiron bow, Poseidon sword, ||Lucifer|| rail, and Demeter fist feel really fun right now and i experiment a lot with cast builds currently. I want to level the hera bow next. What would be a good cast for using her bow?
grizzled oyster
Oh. I will try those out^^ Thx
dry ember
I also heard good things about Flood Flare, but haven't tried it enough to know.
grizzled oyster
I used poseidon a lot recently because im still missing a boon for the prophecy. The cast feels always pretty ok for keeping enemies away.
manic kestrel
have chiron bow, should I go for concentratted volley, flurry shot or twin shot
dry ember
Concentrated.
manic kestrel
I assume twin shot would screw with the special either splitting it or only going to 1
hot crane
Do Ares/Dio casts happen on impact with Hera bow or do they affect the arrow?
manic kestrel
does concentrate dmake a singificnat impact
its only 4 arrows atm
does flurry shot reduce startup time to start firing?
dry ember
You are playing Chiron bow right?
manic kestrel
yeah
dry ember
Well your attack is to tag things.
manic kestrel
oh wait
dry ember
Most of your damage comes from your special
manic kestrel
its consecutive hit not just in one round of special isnt it
dry ember
It's one round.
dry ember
I guess if at 4 then yeah
Now I need to rethink this 🤔
I would go Concentrated still
But I see your hesitation.
manic kestrel
I mean in theory I could get more arrows later but for now plan seems more like to hope to stack a status like poision
and if flurry makes it a lot easier to fire whitout stopping first its a lot easier to keep dashing around spammign special
grizzled oyster
The deadalus hammer with extra arrows for special and extra damage for consecutive hits with special is pretty great imo.
For Chiron bow
dry ember
Do Ares/Dio casts happen on impact with Hera bow or do they affect the arrow?
I'm not sure what you mean because Curse of Nausea doesn't affect casting?
manic kestrel
and main goal is just past ydra this time reward wise
so elysium aint necesairlly where I'd wanna take off
aaand misclicked and got neither of em, off to the temp save
thanks trackpad
grizzled oyster
Damage controll is pretty easy. It can feel a bit sht, of you play something like Hestia rail, but i normally take it to for an easy heat point.
empty zodiac
Any great builds for Achilles spear ??
regal garden
ok so
turbid needle
casts
turbid needle
achilles is cast
regal garden
gives you 50 percent crit on return with the spear
turbid needle
skip hammer if you have achilles and a cast build going
regal garden
which means you run into enemies with the
crit
which i like
i mean achilles is also attacks are good on it its a storng spear
turbid needle
does the return crit work on the achilles rush?
turbid needle
i thought it was only the spear return option
regal garden
its fun
turbid needle
haelien ranked it D
regal garden
i dont care about haelien
i care about my
awesome achilles deadly strike build with it
that tore through everything
with crits
turbid needle
achilles special build sounds really weird
narrow ravine
Any good railgun builds to get the fist clear? I’ve got the first three aspects unlocked, but just can’t clear it
rare kindle
And it's a fast attack
lean knot
yeah, eris buff is global damage so it's really good with zeus attack
narrow ravine
Zeus seems pretty stron all around if you can get the lightening dmg buffs and more chains etc. I’ll try that!
regal garden
eris cluster bomb
is really good
makes getting the bonus easier
and combine it with like zeus boons
becasue they work really well
narrow ravine
Ok, will also try that!
turbid needle
eris cluster bomb is really good
but if you haven't tried a max hestia run yet, you're missing out
hestia is really fun
hestia is chec-chec-BOOM
open matrix
Some good build on Aspect of Lucifer? I'd say Zeus/Poseidon, wbu guys?
daring turtle
I'm curious about the special though - there's one thing I want to try:
poseidon special + the hammer that increases the bomb AoE pulse size and damage + increased special speed
surround yourself with repulsing bombs and theoretically no enemies should be able to touch you
but I don't know how it will work in practice
turbid needle
guys heroic frost strike or epic drunken strike for aspect of eris?
tame bison
%dmg boons on rail are generally poop. Frost could be worth considering bc of the chill and you can maybe do things with Killing Freeze or stacking chill to 10. But I’d rather have Dio
The only thing I want on rail strike is Zeus or Dio.
abstract flower
For eris, I know cluster bombs is one of the ideal hammers, but what is the other?
tame bison
Rocket bomb
tame bison
Or targeting system
Bc who cares about the attack on rail
Unless you’re playing Hestia
Especially once you have cluster bomb
Your interest in attack hammers goes way way down
You just want to maximize your cluster bomb.
abstract flower
so zeus for both attack and special?
abstract flower
so like artemis?
tame bison
Slow attacks = %dmg. Fast attacks = Zeus or Dio (stacking status effects)
Yeah Artemis would be good
abstract flower
what about demeter for attack in case you cannot find zeus or dionysus?
tame bison
Yeah that works as well bc of e Chill but it’s significantly worse
abstract flower
true true
tame bison
I said it above a minute ago but you could do things with like Killing Freeze or the boon that explodes at 10’chill stacks
But I think the game tends to reward you for going hard in one direction
So once you have cluster bomb, you go really hard into Special.
Zeus attack you just get more lightning etc
Fwiw, Poseidon strike rail with rupture also works
Bc you can shoot stuff once to turn on the dot and then special and dodge etc
abstract flower
I'll try that out. What about a good build for Hades spear?
tame bison
Is that the spin one? I’ve never used it tbh.
abstract flower
yeah
tame bison
Also, cluster bomb+rocket bomb btw you can hit stuff with all 5 rockets if you get point blank range
Namely certain bosses
dusk cairn
Just realized that the poseidon blade and having exit wounds could be absolutely insane, and then improved even further with extra bloodstones and the seeking cast from Artemis. Is this viable?
dusk cairn
Totally, and then abyssal blood could make it easier to go in for the nova smash and/or the Daedalus upgrade which increases its range and damage or the lunge smash
tame bison
Yeah the hammers you mostly want stuff that just improves your quality of life using Special, correct
abstract flower
I never tried Poseidon blade before.
jagged grove
what demeter build is da best?
tame bison
The Zeus one?
dry ember
which demeter?
mild raft
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/782785382244155414/797242854241337394/unknown.png?width=838&height=473 lmao I don't even have God's Legacy on
dry ember
Lightning Strike and Deadly Flourish
If you want fancy build you can go for Merciful End
tame bison
Oh good lord I have Heroic Artemis dash with +156% dash strike dmg and 38% atk dmg chaos boons on Hestia
Gg? Lol
3 chaos boons lol
vapid badge
I hate the bow so much, is there a aspect that doesn't use charge shot at all
tame bison
Learn to use dash strike to charge bow
Otherwise, the majority of Chiron and Hera damage is not from charging.
But charging gives you range also so...
zinc merlin
Charging is really good for hera
In bow
Also bow is a lot of fun to use and is probably my favorite weapon
vapid badge
My fav by far is spear or fists.
tame bison
Getting used to stubborn defiance for high heat is challenging 😦
It could also be EM4 lol
fading garden
Does Eris increase hangover damage?
opal lodge
yesh
keen mesa
I like where this is going 😉
although I would have preferred eternal chamber over triple
coral cave
Yes
heady peak
So now I'm relying on a drunkard to pull me out of this hell. Great.
https://i.imgur.com/j4lIhhG.png
fading garden
As you should
misty turret
the most powerful drunkard in the world*
coral cave
Dionysius special on arthur doesn't sound very viable
misty turret
why would you do this
dry ember
Why wouldn't you?
heady peak
I just hope this'll work
https://i.imgur.com/htOtLbJ.png
misty turret
idk dc2 arthur sounds genuinely awful 
heady peak
I turned off the deadline so if I can live long enough to find athena dash this is possible
Trying to leave Tartarus is a nightmare against witches
heady peak
Dionysius special on arthur doesn't sound very viable
I'm just trying to somehow make it out of tartarus first, then asphodel, etc
Fated Authority isn't all that reliable but it can fix my god pool somewhat
rare kindle
Cursed slash on Arthur? The one time I tried the combo I made it most of the way through but lost
heady peak
yeah well I kinda hit a wall at 35 or so heat so I'm tryingsomething different
if anything, I'll learn how to dodge a bit better from this forced overtime
proud plover
What's the easiest spear build/aspect that I can use? I just want to check that mark on my prophecy but not doing well with Aquilles or Zagreus
balmy portal
run a cast build on any aspect 😛
dio's cast (demeter duo) or demeter (artemis duo) cast
heady peak
Already learned something new. Turns out that Zeus special is good at peeling off the damage control
on arthur
coral cave
lol
heady peak
She then slaughtered me very quickly
daring turtle
Tried a boonless run, made it to Hades but died at first phase :(
(was using gilgamesh)
regal garden
is the lambent plume a good idea for getting the legendary hermes boons
heady peak
do daedalus hammers and chaos boons count as "boons"?
opal lodge
is the lambent plume a good idea for getting the legendary hermes boons
sure if youre running legacy and have nothing else you want
turbid needle
zag bow?
daring turtle
I think chaos counts, but hammers are fine
heady peak
anything that synergizes best with shackle
opal lodge
if youre running pride dont bother
untold vortex
do daedalus hammers and chaos boons count as "boons"?
no and depends, chaos doesn't count for the boonless dialogue but it would count if you're going for 100% boonless
opal lodge
yeah
regal garden
cool
opal lodge
the plume can make them show up but it wont increase the chance of them showing up
heady peak
no and depends, chaos doesn't count for the boonless dialogue but it would count...
Thanks
regal garden
demeters is good with bad news right
opal lodge
if that makes sense
regal garden
yeah it does
opal lodge
dio/blade rifts are pretty good with bad news imo
regal garden
like it fills the prerequisite but they still have the same chance of showing up if you had a prerequisite boon instead?
regal garden
ok
so its just
a shortcut no prerequite boon needed
i still need to get my plume to level 3 anyway
opal lodge
yeah just means you dont need flurry cast/auto reload/quick reload
turbid needle
also think you need plume 3 to trigger a convo with hermes
opal lodge
make sure your running the right mirror for the lego you want
regal garden
yeah
i run legacy for legendary runs dw
its maxed out now anyway
so got the best chances
coral cave
eris rocket bomb+cluster bomb is a nuke holy
opal lodge
i run legacy for legendary runs dw
nah i meant infernal for greater recall and stygian for bad news
fair tree
whats a good aspect of arthur build
coral cave
artemis attack/special
fair tree
alright
coral cave
the crits will do massive damgw
coral cave
get clean kill while youre at it
fair tree
its bow right?
coral cave
not too sure about that
fair tree
hera bow?
coral cave
probably
regal garden
heart rend?
fair tree
wouldn't it be trippy flare / demeter / artemis?