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#h1-builds-and-combat
regal garden
sturdy barn
that seems like a biiiiiiiiiit off a great run
regal garden
i try to aim for it around tartarus 140-160
oh yeah
thats leaving asph0odel right
that room
sturdy barn
with the mirror buff i usually get to 180 by aspho
outer glacier
It's weird, but I encounter with Athena too rare.
regal garden
my aim for elysium
is by the end have 200 or a bit over
so i can beat theseus and asterius losing no dds
since thats a pretty safe region for me with them no matter what happens in the boss
viral star
about to get to the styx!
sturdy barn
yup
cunning urchin
1 HP is all you need.
sturdy barn
just literally face tank hades
regal garden
1 hp + stubborn roots
sturdy barn
thats the game
viral star
didnt get enough zeus tier 2s but what can u do
i didnt get athena only more poseidon ;-;
fading garden
That's okay, not the end of the world
sturdy barn
awwwwwww
viral star
already have wave pounding and razor shoals
sturdy barn
just from the death defies its gg lol
outer glacier
i didnt get athena only more poseidon ;-;
Poseidon are strong tbh, especially with "B" agility
sturdy barn
you can just straight up face tank every single room and it wont be a problem since you have the stubborn defiance
viral star
snrgjergvrej thank u guys
i shall get him! but hermemes first
tbh i could get 5sacked and be goo
d
cunning urchin
No.
sturdy barn
:c
sturdy barn
sup
sturdy barn
what the fu
viral star
KSJHRGJIHERJGVHERUGV
viral star
did i mention the attack boon from chaos
sturdy barn
wait you also got the dd leg that ive nevr seen nvm
boreal cradle
how do you build chiron aspect on the bow?
sturdy barn
from my experience anything works really
zeus, even though it isnt as strong as dio/art, aphro even poseidon is good
especially if you get the boss damage boon as well
sturdy barn
just hit a dude then brrrrrrrr and they go to space
fading garden
The only thing that isn't worth taking is doom on special, unless you get dire misfortune. Then it slaps
sturdy barn
one of my fav runs was chiron with pos special and aphro attack for the dps with triple shot point blank
the attack was for the bosses the special amazing for room clears
fading garden
Yea, that sounds very strong
fading garden
My favorite run right now is chained skewer with doom on the special 😍
fading garden
Oh it was! Easiest game of my life!
fading garden
Plus, I had pressure points+hunter's mark, so doom had a chance to crit. It was kinda nuts
fading garden
the spear throw chains
Yep. It's the one that bounces to. 7 different enemies
sturdy barn
oh yeah thats really fun lol
echo radish
Chained skewer seems like the only way to make spear special worth anything to me
sturdy barn
doom crits always feel amazing
regal garden
so like
i could throw my spear
and it would alot of damage and chain between so many enemies
also it was divine flourish
it was veyr good
sturdy barn
no myth, charged is pretty good for being defensive
regal garden
theres lso another really good spear special hammer
fading garden
Spear special is not bad. I gave it a hard time before, but it's pretty decent
sturdy barn
you can do 500 damage fast easily with it and a bad boon, let alone a good one
regal garden
yeah its one of my favourite specials
fading garden
I also had that in my chained skewer run. It was a good run!
sturdy barn
if nemesis chiron and the rail didnt exist, same
echo radish
It's not the damage that bothers me
regal garden
that sounds ridiculous
echo radish
It's the weird way of using it
sturdy barn
oh yeah
echo radish
It feels so slow and awkward and doesn't flow into the moveset at all
sturdy barn
you basically lose the ability to attack for a bit which is messy
echo radish
Spins are cool tho
echo radish
Make spin the special and charged attack a yeet
regal garden
i love the hades spear
fading garden
Hades spear is bae 😍
regal garden
my favourite spear aspect
echo radish
Hades is the only spear I play
echo radish
I wanna try gy but I need more blood before I can
regal garden
i love all the spears ive had
sturdy barn
you dont have the rail aspect level 5? smh smh
regal garden
havent tried guan yu
echo radish
Wow not maxing demeter
sturdy barn
ye tbh all 3rd aspects suck
regal garden
achilles is probably my least fav i think
echo radish
That sounds like bs
regal garden
least fav spear
echo radish
Zeus shield
regal garden
i mean
sturdy barn
lucifer
regal garden
its level 2 though
sturdy barn
LUCIFER
regal garden
need to upgrade it still
sturdy barn
WHAT YOU MEAN HESTIA
echo radish
Oh by third you mean hidden?
river rampart
I maxed Eris
echo radish
I thought by third you meant third
river rampart
And Zag
sturdy barn
eris is fun ye
river rampart
KEK
sturdy barn
zag is mehhhh
great for on hit tho
zag's always a meme
EXCEPT for bow
crit bow is the best build
you CANNOT change my mind
echo radish
Zag fists
river rampart
I like Zag on sword though
sturdy barn
zag fists are also a meme
you take plume
go brrr
40% dodge chance
so just face tank and pray to rngesus
river rampart
40% of the time it works all the time
sturdy barn
alwayss
rocky temple
i like the shield a lot is it any good though
rocky temple
in general i guess
sturdy barn
in general its technically the best weapon cause its extremely defensive and does good damage if built right
sturdy barn
but its boring to me and a lot of people lol
rocky temple
i find the wall splats very satisfying
echo radish
Shield is very good but it's slow
sturdy barn
and wait for them to die in 3 hours
but it CAN be fun
and fast
rarely though, especially compared to other weapons
rocky temple
the shield is good in general but i also find the special to be kinda boring
sturdy barn
yup
and strangely enough, it is its best part lol
have you seen other aspects yet btw zib?
rocky temple
yeah
regal garden
i like the shield special
sturdy barn
oh
regal garden
one of my favourite combos
sturdy barn
yeah try zeus special
regal garden
doom + shield special
rocky temple
the one where it spins like a beyblade
sturdy barn
with a zeus boon
regal garden
so easy to apply doom to stuff
sturdy barn
gl getting it
fading garden
Impending doom seems better on the special
Dire misfortune is better for a weapon with high dps
misty turret
unfortunately no
but still shredded
i think ill get to 20 heat on all my weapons so i can get all the bounties
and then i'll do 32 heat on all
turbid needle
can I get duo boons with rerolling?
stone harbor
Yes
dusky relic
Does Aspect of Rama even have a dash strike
tame bison
Yes
turbid needle
ty
misty turret
it does and its faster but rama itself is just slow
tame bison
Just like the other bows
dusky relic
will that be affected by dash strike damage + boons/effects
tame bison
It works just like any other dash strike in the game.
dusky relic
So I dash while charging up bow and when I release it will will be affected by dash strike damage effects
proven osprey
Yes
dusky relic
cool
proven osprey
Yes
dusky relic
cool
cloud vault
Dire misfortune is better for a weapon with high dps
This seems wrong. A high dps wep will just kill the thing before doom even triggers
cloud vault
Dire is good for weapons that can apply it very quickly while doing low damage otherwise, like a chiron special or a Lucifer attack
solid cairn
but why do that when zeus exists (for lucifer, at least)
zeus special sucks on chiron due to internal cooldown
cloud vault
I don't see the connection between a rail aspect and a shield aspect
solid cairn
if you start zeus keepsake you do
cloud vault
Some heats you flat out can't choose what you get
cloud vault
AP2 good luck
solid cairn
the pacts that limit your options
with ares dire misfortune you are still depending on a boon
and in the scenario with ap2 that is rare
cloud vault
Yeah
It's still better for dire misfortune than many other weapons which was the point
solid cairn
I really dislike lucfier so I am biased
450+ hours and haven't completed a single run with it
jaunty wave
what secret aspects are best to go for next? i have ||Guan Yu|| and ||Excalibur|| unlocked, and ||Gilgamesh|| can be purchased. I'm thinking ||Beowulf|| next
solid cairn
maybe im being too harsh but it just feels slow
beowulf is great
but hard to get used to
cloud vault
There's a trick where you can dash while attacking to maintain charge
solid cairn
also hidden aspect spoilers are allowed here
solid cairn
but yeah beowulf is amazing
I used to not be a huge fan but now it's one of my favorites in the game
maybe my favorite
rare kindle
I really like Rama bow, speaking of hidden aspects
zinc merlin
I really like Rama bow, speaking of hidden aspects
What good builds are on there?
fading garden
This seems wrong. A high dps wep will just kill the thing before doom even trigg...
What I mean by that is weapons that hit more often.
rare kindle
Aphrodite attack, ares special
The attack hits for a lot even if you don’t get a power shot
fading garden
That usually don't do as much damage by default. So dire misfortune works well in those scenarios
fading garden
The attack hits for a lot even if you don’t get a power shot
Wait, how does doom work with rama special?
rare kindle
It should, yeah
fading garden
That sounds spicy
rare kindle
I just treat the special as supplemental and not main damage but supposedly you can spam special with Zeus
fading garden
I just treat the special as supplemental and not main damage but supposedly you ...
I was more thinking of doing doom on the attack
Dio special on rama bow also seems pretty fun
misty turret
i think zeus aid is unironically one of the strongest damage-wise
fading garden
Both zeus aid and Dio aid are quite strong
proven osprey
why "unironically"?
misty turret
bc like half the time i have bad experiences with zeus 
fading garden
Zeus is honestly amazing!
proven osprey
He's a reliable god to build on
fading garden
I did not give him enough credit in the beginning
misty turret
like half the time he shows up with the revenge, attack, and cast when im playing arthur or smth
dense tusk
You use fated authority?
misty turret
yeah
rocky temple
how is the bow looked upon by the community
dense tusk
Some love it some hate it
misty turret
i think chiron bow is one of the strongest aspects in the game and the others also hold their own
dense tusk
All aspects of bow are great
fading garden
Does shared suffering work for any type of damage?
coarse moss
only the attack damage and not the stats inflicted by attack. works incredible with double shot
rare kindle
And triple shot
fading garden
I mean, does the extra damage only come from the attack?
dense tusk
yes
coarse moss
with double shot thats 60% + 60% shared suffering
fading garden
Actually, I think it works for anything. My hangover only does 8, so it should do a max of 40 damage. But I am actually doing 50
coarse moss
rama chunks like arthur but also deals well with damage control. not many aspect can tackle high heat so readily. if you got approval process 2, it even works well with shackles
fading garden
And my hangover comes from the special
fading garden
Actually, it's probably high confidence making that happen
dense tusk
I think rama's base damage plus hammer is enough and alright for doom
specially if you have chain shot
solid cairn
i think chiron bow is one of the strongest aspects in the game and the others al...
rama is god tier
for pretty much anything
high heat, even speedruns it holds its own
rama is the best high heat weapon in the game
without a doubt
turbid needle
question about rama and shared suffering. It says that when you Attack any other foe it takes damage, does attack here mean the main attack?
or other dmg too
solid cairn
yes only the damage of the bow
stuff like zeus lightning is unaffected
also keep in mind that shared suffering does affect the target you are hitting
coarse moss
try on skelly, shared suffering is green damage
solid cairn
so if 3 enemies have shared suffering, the target you hit will also take an additional % of the damage in addition to the other enemies
misty turret
turbid needle
I just realised boiling blood isn't that good always
in my mind it gave 50% more damage but its only attack and special
solid cairn
if it was global damage that would be crazy
turbid needle
and I like to do zeus builds and I think it it wouldnt increase the lightning dmg?
solid cairn
nope
attack and special damage increases do not boost the damage of additional stuff such as doom, support fire, and zeus lightning
the only thing that does is global damage
misty turret
what heat do you use?
just working through bounties rn
as for weapons, i've been using arthur/guan yu/chaos/chiron or rama/demeter/lucifer
opal lodge
boiling blood is still super good
turbid needle
but Cin, if I have like aphrodite special that gives lets say 80% more damage to special, and boiling blood, would that be 1.8x1.5=2.7 times more dmg
keen mesa
Are you using God Mode?
turbid needle
sadge
misty turret
ive just played roguelikes quite a bit before
keen mesa
ah
solid cairn
but Cin, if I have like aphrodite special that gives lets say 80% more damage to...
all damage increases are additive
misty turret
like 400 hours in binding of isaac and then like 50 in slay the spire
i like hades the most of these three though
hot crane
all damage increases are additive
Been wondering this too. If I have a Chaos effect for +50%, Aprhodite's boon for +100%, and damage against weak +15%, is my total damage +165%?
solid cairn
yes
hot crane
How would something like a flat damage bonus, like Hoarding Slash factor into this? Are there other notable exemptions to the formula?
solid cairn
this is why % damage increase is much better on cast builds
since the cast boon is all base damage
whereas attack and special boons just add % damage
hot crane
since the cast boon is all base damage
This is excellent info!
solid cairn
except for zeus, dio, and ares which don't affect the damage at all and instead add an additional effect
hot crane
So I've beaten Hades on Heat 5-8 13 times, but can I pester you with optimization questions? I haven't explored lots of the builds.
hot crane
Ok
How are Doom builds supposed to be used/what goes with them (weapons, aspects, etc)?
solid cairn
doom is in a weird place
you would think you would want to use it on slower attack so every time you use it the doom has already gone off
but those attacks usually have high base damage anyway
so why not go aphro or artemis
doom is still pretty strong on chaos shield, since you can spray shields around the room and coat them in doom
this was much stronger before 1.0 when the shields traveled in a star pattern rather than in a spread right in front of you
the saving grace of doom is merciful end
it is one of the most busted boons in the game
hot crane
the saving grace of doom is merciful end
Refresh me?
hot crane
Im clicking to learn more but I get "This emoji is from a server that is either private or unavailable. Learn more about using custom emojis."
solid cairn
so you can get into a pattern of applying doom and then instantly making it go off
it's called merciful end
hot crane
Thank you
solid cairn
doom is often praised by newer players and I'll be honest I used to think it was busted when I started
hot crane
I have a lot of experience in other roguelites and my "this ability is a trap" sensor went off when I read the effect :p
solid cairn
but when you become a sweaty tryhard like me you see it for what it is
hot crane
Im all about sweatiness
solid cairn
any other questions
hot crane
Are vengeance builds a trap?
keen mesa
vengeance builds are for memes
hot crane
That's what I thought
keen mesa
You can't honestly get all the moving parts to make a vengeance build work
solid cairn
3 seconds for a small burst of damage
keen mesa
because it requires 3 separate boons
cunning urchin
You take it when it's offered. You don't really build for it.
hot crane
I never take them at this point
solid cairn
2 gods with basically no synergy
hot crane
Roll them d4s and pray
cunning urchin
It's not very difficult to get Vengeful Mood.
frail schooner
just take curse of vengeance or whatever
keen mesa
How many different revenges are you getting though to make that worthwhile? I've had a succesful revenge build once
frail schooner
vengeful mood is just barely worth not selling if you have holy shield
cunning urchin
I haven't argued it's worthwhile. Just saying it's not difficult to get.
solid cairn
VM is a meme and honestly
it's fine that way
not every duo has to be incredibly practical
hot crane
I think Athena is the worst god in the game outside of Divine Dash and the occasional Death Defy, am I bad? I've been thinking about using deflect for boss melee attacks, which I haven't practiced, which sounds like it could be the best feature?
solid cairn
that is very wrong
hot crane
I'm here to learn
solid cairn
extra death defiances are a life saver for high heat
sure footing is pretty decent actually
merciful end is broken
not a horrible damage bonus on attack and special
a pretty nice cast even on non-cast builds
since it deflects and moves so slow you can use it as a shield of sorts
you can use it to approach safely on melee weapons
solid cairn
deadly reversal is kind of overrated but very good
turbid needle
low tolerance or curse of nausea for rama
hot crane
Does Exposed count as a status condition for the 2+ talent?
solid cairn
DR is just less practical than heart rend and harder to get
vague dove
Yeah
solid cairn
oh athena's call is amazing as well
proud bearing is a good support boon
it is very very good with dad keepsake in speedruns
cunning urchin
Curse of Nausea. You're not applying 8 stacks of Hangover with your Special, and you're not hitting Special more than once to apply Shared Suffering.
solid cairn
honestly even without divine dash athena is pretty great
turbid needle
kthx
hot crane
Ok, I think that answers everything I wanted to know
turbid needle
Athena is decent, deflect is legit nice
solid cairn
good because my lunch break ends in 2 min lol
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot is the best utility cast in the game and still does a lot of damage.
solid cairn
lightning phalanx is really good
hot crane
Are there any abilities which are better/worse than they initially appear?
Boons, hammers, etc
solid cairn
eris' damage boost
hot crane
I only have 40 hours
solid cairn
75% damage to literally everything
zeus lightning, attack, special, cast call
if it just boosted attack special and cast it would be strong
somewhat strong
turbid needle
i'd say meme crystal from grandma is the best example of something that appears to be outright unplayable, but it's quite decent when paired with the right duo boons
hot crane
Ah, that's good to know, I was only thinking about its buff to attack
I had a great build with crystal cast once
cunning urchin
For me tbh all boons are much better than they initially appeared. Only real exceptions are Nourished Soul (useless at high heat), Peer Pressure, and a bunch of Lord Hermes's boons depending on aspect.
hot crane
I like it when it can turn faster than the default
Why is nourished useless at high heat? Also, what is "high" heat?
cunning urchin
Rare Crop for me went: always amazing > always trash > sometimes amazing, sometimes trash.
turbid needle
isn't ocean's bounty quite the meme boon past a certain point? unless you're going for some really niche hoarding slash cheese
cunning urchin
Curse of Drowning I find very underwhelming.
cunning urchin
Ocean's Bounty is pretty amazing at high heat tbh.
hot crane
I like Rare Crop if I find it in Tartarus/Asphodel when I have three boons I would like to upgrade. So, rare situation
keen mesa
you'd probably get far more choosing a different hammer and spending the gold boosting your other boons
turbid needle
ik
hot crane
Oh, for Hermes' Swift boons, does the speed affect startup?
Or recovery? Travel speed?
Chargability for bow/shield?
cunning urchin
Bow Attack charges faster. Dash-Attack does not charge faster.
turbid needle
any good builds with magnetic fist
hot crane
What's considered "high" heat?
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish on Talos kinda sucks tbh.
High heat leaderboard starts at 32, so I guess that. But submissions are normally 40+ with some challenges like mirrorless or boonless at 32+.
hot crane
Gods I can't wait to see the next 2 prizes
Anyway, thanks folks for answering my questions :)
cunning urchin
32 for me is where I just do meme runs or fun challenges or something. But yeah, for most people, that's the highest they would even consider trying. But it's even daunting for a lot of players who've played the game for a very long time.
turbid needle
what else is good for talos then
cunning urchin
Talos is super versatile. You can do any basic Malphon build or any Cast build on it, and you can mix and match those for some type of hybrid build.
rare kindle
I really like Poseidon cast on it, since I think it makes up for the shortcomings of the Poseidon duo cast boons
cunning urchin
Yeah.
rare kindle
Granted, I’ve only done blizzard shot and not curse of drowning on the fists
(And I only got blizzard shot in Styx!)
regal garden
achilles is fun
this is why i am the spear enjoyer
every spear has been really fun tbh
havent tried guan yu yet maybe it wont be trahs
fading garden
Guan yu is very powerful, but it comes at a cost with significantly less health
fading garden
Try it once first. Upgrading is helpful, but so is not getting hit 😉
misty turret
GY is mainly just spamming spin attack
i had a run where i took like 200 damage on hades but i healed over half of that
its def a neat wep
fading garden
Oh yeah, the spin attack lets you heal. I keep forgetting
gray lintel
Guan Yu also has the Exploding Hammer hammer boon for free.
gray lintel
(on top of sword combo damage and a stronger dash attack)
The spin heal to me is more of a top off your health than primary move.
(barring boon support)
fading garden
wait how possible would a 63 heat
If you're doing a 63 heat run, you don't want to take an ounce of damage anyway
regal garden
yeah cause you have
100 percent forced labour right
the one that boosts damage
so you take a hit from anything
and boom
youre gone
turbid needle
i just lost it at EM4 theseus coming at me in his little yellow cart this is so extra
gray lintel
the one that boosts damage
hard labor
regal garden
yeha that
fading garden
100 percent forced labour right
Most importantly, you lose stubborn defiance
And you can't heal
fading garden
If you max it out, yes
gray lintel
I don't recall what the highest chunking attack is. i wanna say like 60 or something. 
fading garden
That's why stubborn defiance is much better for high heat
fading garden
No, because you can't heal :p
fading garden
I imagine that is quite nice because you almost always have 30% health
turbid needle
a few questions about damage multipliers.. does attack damage increase dash-attacks dmg. And does dash-attack damage increase the poseidon dashes dmg
fading garden
Yes for the first one, no for the second
proven osprey
I imagine that is quite nice because you almost always have 30% health
Nah it's pretty bad tbh
fading garden
Interesting
proven osprey
Most of the time you don't want Dio in your god pool. SD can also be buffed with Patty/touch of styx
At lower rarities, it's even worse imo
And if you want to get the most of it you'd also need a lot of hp right
Like if 40% of your hp is 40... Meh
Maybe an epic one would be decent? But again, survivability in high heat is not DR. Dodge would be better, or even hp pool, athena etc
turbid needle
stubborn defiance and skull earring, which procs first?
the tooth*
i mean
lucky tooth
proven osprey
SD
fading garden
Most of the time you don't want Dio in your god pool. SD can also be buffed with...
Why not?
proven osprey
Because if Dio is not your main god (hangover remains strong), you have positive outlook, strong drink and after party that are really bad
stone harbor
does achilles with demeter cast apply to 4 ticks of the cast or o 4 full casts?
mighty ermine
does achilles with demeter cast apply to 4 ticks of the cast or o 4 full casts?
4 full casts
whole duration of beams, slicing shot, etc
stone harbor
nice
proven osprey
@fading garden Still on high heat, I mean. Dio is a good god for beginners, his healing/increasing hp is a nice crutch
Still has a top tier call too
zinc merlin
How does achilles work with casts?
fading garden
<@178716199989936128> Still on high heat, I mean. Dio is a good god for beginner...
Ah, so you're just saying he's not good to have in the pool because of support boons. Got it
tame bison
What’s the standard way to hit 32 Heat?
stone harbor
What’s the standard way to hit 32 Heat?
check the sticky in #h1-high-heat-strategies
tame bison
Thanks
mighty ermine
How does achilles work with casts?
after using your special, the next four attacks or casts are boosted by +150% at max aspect level
proven osprey
Ah, so you're just saying he's not good to have in the pool because of support b...
Yeah basically. Even worse at super high heat when you don't have a choice for your boons (approval process)
zinc merlin
k
mighty ermine
you can do either attacks or casts for those four, and using the special again after using some but not all of the charges won't refresh it back to four
fading garden
Yeah basically. Even worse at super high heat when you don't have a choice for y...
Gross 🤢
stone harbor
going from high to low heat makes the game really easy lol
I can just play random garbage and faceroll
do you use one or 3 achilles procs when you attackl once with serrated poit?
fallen mirage
Just one
fallen mirage
It's why Serrated Point is the backup Achilles hammer. It probably gets the most benefit from the charges
I don't think Strong Drink is bad. You're essentially guaranteed 4 fountains, with a chance of up to 7. That's solid global damage
opal lodge
Strong drink is bad?
strong drink is fine if you get it in tartarus, im assuming astaos is talking about it in the context of high heat
where it restores 0%
with LC4
mighty ermine
even then it's not worthless
i dunno if i would call strong drink bad, just not nearly as good as getting like, call from him
opal lodge
id just rather have a different god lol
the best thing about switching to poseidon cast beo is that dio is no longer mandatory in my pool
rare kindle
How do you Poseidon cast beo?
I think you aim for mirage shot, but curse of drowning looks wonky and blizzard shot isn’t compatible
stone harbor
can't you just get sea storm and scale it that way if you don't want to go too far into poseidon?
fading garden
Speaking of, what's a decent build for curse of drowning
stone harbor
just go for a generic cast build
achilles should be best I think
you can get sea storm with it, right?
fading garden
Well, I dom't think curse of drowning does knockback damage.
So sea storm is kind of a dud with that
rare kindle
Yeah, patch notes say sea storm should work with curse of drowning now
fading garden
Yeah, patch notes say sea storm should work with curse of drowning now
Wait, what???
proven osprey
strong drink is fine if you get it in tartarus, im assuming astaos is talking ab...
Yes. And tbh strong drink carried my 40 mirrorless
fading garden
But CoD doesn't do any knockback
opal lodge
I think you aim for mirage shot, but curse of drowning looks wonky and blizzard ...
mirage is the way
sea storm doesnt scale the way you want it to
but its still good
CoD is pretty bad on beo
takes away everything good about flood flare
stone harbor
is engulfing vortex or black metal better with hunting blades? both common
coarse moss
more duration = more damage
stone harbor
true
verbal prism
Whats a good Arthur build?
stone harbor
just get direct damage on your attack
artemis, aphro and so on
or go for the merciful end meme
verbal prism
👍
stone harbor
merciful end is better with something that has attack speed, but it should still work because it is pretty op lol
btw why do people recommend the yoyo build? it has the same problems all the other melee poseidon build have, or am I doing it wrong?
mighty ermine
yeah it's not exactly great it's just fun
stone harbor
yeah I noticed lol
tame bison
Playing Arthur: do you take rare Hunter dash, Rare Artemis aid, or epic Pressure points
19 Heat with no other boons and underworld customs active
fading garden
Shush! yoyo is a good build
lavish trench
Quick question about the Daedalus Hammer upgrade for Bow that makes so you Special does increasing damage based on consecutive hits
stone harbor
I'm on single digit heat to farm titan blood, but still. My main issue is that I have seen it recommended as a good claw build lol
lavish trench
do they all have to be on the same target?
stone harbor
yes
lavish trench
thanks!
fading garden
It's very much a chiron/rama oriented hammer
coarse moss
btw why do people recommend the yoyo build? it has the same problems all the oth...
but looks like great room clear https://youtu.be/5Zg4eWvavW8?t=759
lavish trench
It's very much a chiron/rama oriented hammer
i've heard about aspects but i havent gotten there yet
turbid needle
is there any demeter focused build that's well optimized?
stone harbor
but looks like great room clear https://youtu.be/5Zg4eWvavW8?t=759
this looks more like 43 damage rupture is good the video lol
coarse moss
haha indeed
slate talon
hey, i have question about Decay against bosses
if i have crystam beams applyign stack of chill, will it make boss decay forever until it dies?
copper perch
Is 17:50 considered a good time
stone harbor
if i have crystam beams applyign stack of chill, will it make boss decay forever...
assuming there are no other enemies without decay I'm pretty sure it does
there is no such boss though
the closest is thesius and aserius
unless you count the asterius miniboss fight or something like that
slate talon
no no, i meant in general, other enemies can be chilled or killed when needed
stone harbor
it lasts as long asw your chill lasts
slate talon
isnt that a lot of damage tho
stone harbor
chill lasts for a while but not forever
stone harbor
my PB is 16:27, without trying to speedrun, just going quickly and trying to use meg optimally
still can't do sub-20 consitently though
wispy fossil
Does triple jab affect dash strike?
Cuz if it does I got a super broken build
spoiler it does not appear to
vapid badge
I'm new to game and went with a kinda meme build just poming tidal dash and it is kinda good
vapid badge
I think I might clear the game with it wtf lmfao
proven osprey
Tidal can clear rooms alone yup
vapid badge
I just killed the bull and dude with only dashing
wispy fossil
lmao
mighty ermine
It's very much a chiron/rama oriented hammer
concentrated volley isn't available on rama
vapid badge
Wave pounding + level 7 tidal dash and I melted those bosses I've only ever killed final boss once mind you
I also got the greater dash from hermies
wispy fossil
Is special damage with rama worth having?
I just unlocked it and am doing my first run with it now
mighty ermine
for lower heat it's fine
but focusing only on special is a waste of rama's huge attack power
vapid badge
If you guys never tried tidal dash bro seriously this thing is more op than basic weapons i think
wispy fossil
Really? I like the sword
vapid badge
Okay I got 4 deathdefinace and at final boss I think I'm gonna do this with just tidal
wispy fossil
That'd be funny
vapid yacht
I feel like the sword just doesn't do enough damage (Nemesis at least) and it exposes you
vapid badge
Omfg i did it
I didn't even die
This is my second clear
Ever
I tried getting video
fading garden
And here I thought curse of drowning was bad. It was awesome in the run I just had.
Also, curse of drowning and sea storm do not work together
mighty ermine
they should, actually
- Sea Storm (Poseidon x Zeus): adjusted requirements for this to be offered; fixed interaction with Curse of Drowning (Poseidon x Ares)
fading garden
Ah, so it is in a beta patch?
mighty ermine
it's current patch
fading garden
It definitely didn't happen
mighty ermine
probably best to send an f10 then
fading garden
I'm not playing anymore. Is there a way to mention it in the discord?
Regardless, Curse of Drowning definitely isn't a bad boon
fading garden
I did it with Talos twice. The first time I made a really bad mistake and reduced my life total to get 1 cast on chaos. However, that put me at 1 health 😆
Needless to say, I didn't make it out of asphodel
The next run I had a couple duos before curse of drowning: curse of longing, and sea storm. Needless to say, it was not hard to win
Now I just need a figure out a way to make cold embrace decent
fading garden
although i probably dint use it the best in my talos run
Rapid succession is a good hermes boon for curse of drowning. Even the common one gets the job done quite nicely
regal garden
what does rapid sucession
ohhh
righ tyeah i had only
1 cast that run
was doing stygian soul
for the mirror prophecy
fading garden
Ohhhh. Curse of drowning is much better with infernal soul, since it does more pulses per second
fading garden
Live and learn
fading garden
I think stygian soul might not be too bad with cold embrace
fading garden
No, you are forbidden!
fading garden
Tbh, I am not sure
You can hop on Haelian's discord since he does speedrunning
So I imagine that is a conversation topic
short fjord
nope
dry ember
If i wanna speedrun hades
Check #self-promotion pins for a link to the speedrun server
short fjord
just came here to ask this xD
fading garden
Thanks Fox, I was looking and I couldn't find it. Didn't think about that channel
short fjord
have a good one ❤️
dry ember
yup :D
turbid needle
question about Merciful End boon.. it says it activates doom effect, does it also remove the doom debuff?
dry ember
yes
vapid badge
Any good Achilles spear builds come to mind?
dry ember
Electric Shot or Crystal Meme?
vapid badge
Never heard of crystal mem
dry ember
Basically Crystal Beam with reloading armmo
The meme is that it's an all in build because you need extra cast from chaos as well as Crystal Beam duos that is not Cold Embrace
Other wise it's a doodoo build
vapid badge
Just curious how thats a spear build lol seems like you could do it with whatever
dry ember
Because Achilles spear buff cast damage
so the Beam does a lot of total damage
if it hits
the duos are to make the beam actually hits things
vapid badge
I'm not seeing on the tool tip that it buffs cast damage. Only that you can retrieve it with raging rush
turbid needle
vapid badge
Weird I don't see that tool tip in the game. Is that wiki?
dry ember
It doesn't have to be, but cast build is strong yes
rare kindle
I’ve never tried crystal beam on Achilles
regal garden
thats very good to know
forest marsh
Crystal beam Achilles can be a lot of fun
Is it the most efficient? No. Is it satisfying? Absolutely
dry ember
Yeah it's a meme because it's a high roll. It can be very efficient if you get very lucky
So 30% of the time it works everytime :D
rare walrus
Just get 4 casts with Stygian the Artemis duo 4 other Demeter boons and yeah
It’s great!
turbid needle
Dare you to make aphro Demeter duo work
rare kindle
I tend to do curse of drowning Achilles, which just needs one duo
And Poseidon cast is good for clearing rooms while you wait for the duo
dry ember
Also good yee
turbid needle
You just charge around? Go infernal or Stygian? @rare kindle
turbid needle
Do you need to collect with curse of drowning?
I think I only did it once and was weird, but maybe I need to do it again
rare kindle
With infernal, you still need to collect the casts, but they generally drop very close to where you were
rare kindle
I don’t think it matters if ares is attack or special, and I don’t think you can get it with his aid
coarse moss
achilles cast is awesome, but dont forget it also buffs spin(100 base) by 150%. super good with fiery presence
massive spin hammer +125%
dry ember
achilles cast is awesome, but dont forget it also buffs spin(100 base) by 150%. ...
Yup but keep in mind you also waste one charge of the Raging Rush bonus to prime your spin
tranquil atlas
what i do is all 3 attacks in the sequence the spin (hold on 3rd click)
rare kindle
Wow, Artemis just doesn’t like you
Or maybe you don’t go for cast builds enough
One of the two
proven osprey
to be fair the prerequisites are not something you want too much
rare kindle
For that one, I pretty much had to exhaust her boon pool before she would give it to me for the prophecy
stone harbor
If you go poseidon with artemis cast most of the prerequisites are pretty good
rare kindle
If you just want extra cast stones, I recommend chaos over trying for Artemis legendary
proven osprey
But Poseidon really like exit wounds
stone harbor
True, taking artemis cast immidiately is prohably the most consistent way to get it though because you have the least diluted god pool
coarse moss
also, builds that like support fire + pressure points. though not necessarily want the extra casts
proven osprey
True, taking artemis cast immidiately is prohably the most consistent way to get...
fair point
rare kindle
Yeah, that’s the tricky part, building a cast build that’s ok with the prereqs
proven osprey
also, builds that like support fire + pressure points. though not necessarily wa...
Yeah I can see fists like that. Maybe Talos then? Idk how to play the weapon and if it can use more casts tho
dry ember
So I need to get Cold Embrace and Freezing Vortex to finish my prophercy
any suggestions?
I hate Blade Rift if that isn't clear already lmao
coarse moss
low heat anything goes xD
rare kindle
Force Demeter, see if she offers you her cast or not
Hope for a natural Aphrodite or ares
Obviously fated persuasion, dark foresight, increased duo/legendary
turbid needle
hunting blades is op
stone harbor
Artemis cast is a playable build especially if you get artemis duos for it, I would think of it as a build to get the prophecy done though, other cast builds are better
It feels kind of like a machine gun if you get the lots of casts and mirage cast though, so you can use it as a fun meme
rare kindle
Cold embrace makes things worse imo
turbid needle
cold embrace is a meme
turbid needle
no do every quest
dry ember
there is a reason why it's never complted
proven osprey
Achilles build
turbid needle
i completed them all
rare kindle
Yeah, do every prophecy
turbid needle
if you're doing demeter cast, go stygian
rare kindle
Although at that many hours what could you possibly use the resources for?
You must be max rank at the resource director already
mighty ermine
the biggest gate for the final rank badges is darkness, at least for me
the other resources not so much
stone harbor
How much do you need for the last rank?
mighty ermine
yep
regal garden
with the thirst weapon
mighty ermine
eclipse blessing and ocean's bounty
regal garden
you did it
dry ember
Tempted to click battle rage
rare kindle
It doesn’t say you have to win with the boons anyway, just take them once when they’re offered
dry ember
hmm true
mighty ermine
the fact that it also has to be smaller... why
rare kindle
Just go die in the lava if you don’t feel like continuing the run
dry ember
the fact that it also has to be smaller... why
Otherwise it would have he slightest chance of being good
And we don't want that
rare kindle
I guess Ares has tier 2 boons that counteract the smaller size but whyyy
stone harbor
I still need the bigger aphro cast one for her prophecy as well
i never play aphro cast
rare kindle
The chaos defiance one took the longest time for me because the first few times I saw it I never could last beyond the curse period and it doesn’t count for the prophecy then
stone harbor
You only need 1 other chaos boon and insane rng for that one, right?
rare kindle
Yep
stone harbor
Alright, I think I'll try that
coarse moss
i think i got lucky with the chaos one. is it as rare as hermes?
mighty ermine
overtime from other biomes doesn't count against you
other than the whole taking damage part
dry ember
oh yeah that's right
proven osprey
I want a whole minute overtime is that clear
rare kindle
I hope fox can beat dad in a quarter of a minute somehow
Even though he has invincibility through his phase changes
dry ember
Yeah I totally whooped his butt with 18 seconds using SD on 200 ish max HP
Totally did
dry ember
Yeah, didn't even used all the Acorn and the fight ended.
misty turret
😃
rare kindle
Great job!
stone harbor
onyl got 1 chaos gate, rip chaos legendary run+
dry ember
that's a kappa people didn't realize
stone harbor
you can't get gates post thesius, right?
rare kindle
There are never gates in Styx, yes
stone harbor
might as well suicide then, at leaast I got aphro/demeter for the prophecy
stone harbor
but aphro/demeter with 1 cast is really bad
proven osprey
~~that's a kappa people didn't realize~~
Realise what? 
mighty ermine
yeah i mean clearly you won
dry ember
yep
misty turret
no one ever loses in video games, silly 😃
rare kindle
It’s bad even with three casts
proven osprey
Foxes always win
dry ember
Would have posted in #h1-victory-boasting but im too lazy
proven osprey
Yeah I understand that dw
rare kindle
Always bet on Fox
dense tusk
Anything that works great on lucifer rail?
dense tusk
I went watercannon with sea storm and greatshields ended up being the bane of my existence
stone harbor
oh no I died to two of the styx laser stone things, how could that have happened
it was only 5 heat too
alright freezing vortex next
frozen bolt
A few things. Does anyone else find Asphodel enemies worse than Elysium enemies? I feel like I can't catch a break in Asphodel, while in Elysium, running away works unless there are archers because the rooms have actual cover.
dry ember
Honestly, no.
frozen bolt
That is a perfectly fair answer
dry ember
I find enemies in Asphodel big and few in number
Which means they are more susceptible to being burst down.
Except for Speedster Wavemaker. They are evil.
frozen bolt
I certainly find armour to be more of a problem in Asphodel. In Elysium, I know I can't stunlock things. In Asphodel I'm probably too reliant on it
I mean, I'm only on like Heat 1 with only one actual clear. I imagine the difficulty modifiers affect areas differently.
dry ember
Yeah I get that Different people will find different things difficult.
stone harbor
freezing vortex and hunting blades aren't compatible, right?
dry ember
What does the wiki say?
mighty ermine
they are not no
frozen bolt
Second thing: Using the bow, how the heck can you deal with Elysium archers? I feel I never get a moment when they're not either shooting at me or about to shoot at me.
turbid needle
i don't find ennemies on Asphodel a problem by themself; but some room layout can make some fights quite hard.
frozen bolt
That's true, there are some room layouts that make me groan.
stone harbor
jesus, freezing vortex is bad
dry ember
^
stone harbor
literally worse ares cast without hunting blades
frozen bolt
My first clear was with freezing vortex.
dry ember
God amongst men
stone harbor
I really don't get why you can't combine the two, supergigant clearly does not mind op combinations consindering merciful end lol
coral glacier
In my Freezing Vortex run for the Duo prophecy, I just purged it, and then I had a good build
dry ember
I mean ME is a stand alone boon that doesn't go well with other stuff.
stone harbor
just get anything with doom athena dash and ME and you have a good build pretty much
impending doom and you are set for hades
qq I can't accidently die to lava to end my misery because I need 2 more encounetrs for chaos legendary
frozen bolt
(The freezing vortex build was actually disgustingly good, but only because I also had Engulfing Vortex, Vicious Cycle, and Killing Freeze)
(Oh, and the Aspect of Talos so I could just magnetic cutter and pull enemies into the blender)
dry ember
(The freezing vortex build was actually disgustingly good, but only because I al...
Yeah, it's really easy to be a millionaire, you just need to have a billions dollar :D :) ;)
frozen bolt
Honestly, the Freezing Vortex was important, because it let me stick freeze on the final boss without needing to take risks.
stone harbor
I made my freezing vortex good as well
I sold it and got hunting blades
this once again proves that there are no bad builds in this game
regal garden
world splitter with nemesis + heart rend is so ridiculous
against hades i was doing
around 1000 per crit
plus i had deadly flourish
rare kindle
Yeah, demeter cast combos aren’t as good
stone harbor
demeter/artemis is great
rare kindle
Blizzard shot is still ok, but that’s like the only time you’d want her to modify a cast
regal garden
i tried that
it was weird
a weird cast
probably wouldnt pick it again unless i had to or it worked well with th ebuild
stone harbor
it deals quite a lot of damage
proven osprey
Good with Talos, funny with hera too
misty turret
does underworld customs just not work with boonless runs? 
proven osprey
wdym
misty turret
like if you have no boons then what happens at underworld customs
do you just go without purging anything
regal garden
broken shackle underworld customs run
regal garden
cool
ive never used it
probably should
what boons count towards negating it
like do only the main 3
or does stuff like urge to kill
opal lodge
main 3
opal lodge
yeee
regal garden
so no main 3 and you're fine?