bcs if you get broken resolve, at common rarity you get 70%
#h1-builds-and-combat
frail schooner
damage reduction and global damage are not, everything else (including dodge chance) is
echo radish
How is damage reduction calculated
frail schooner
crit damage is like, additive with itself (except the heartrend tooltip is misleading) but multiplicative with normal %dmg
frail schooner
How is damage reduction calculated
30% damage reducion makes your damage multiplied by 0.7
All damage red sources are multiplied in this way
Except broken resolve which adds to the weak dmg%
So arthur (40%) + broken res common lv1 weak(40%) + bracer (30%) + sturdy (30%) + abyssal blood(30%) + bronze skin(10%) + different league(15%) is 0.6*0.6*0.7*0.7*0.7*0.9*0.85 is you take 9.44% dmg
rancid crag
its true
echo radish
I see
echo radish
How did you check it
frail schooner
But you can take 0 damage (except from chaos curses and tight deadline) with 100% dodge chance from:
Zag fists (10%)
Lambent plume (34.8% or more)
Second wind (needs smoldering ail, but I think it’s 36%)
Greater Evasion (20% heroic)
rancid crag
dmg check with louts
did some calculations
they did more dmg than they should if bonuses were additive
i believe damage is rounded to the closest int right?
frail schooner
You can also get 100% with just abyssal blood and plume and greater evasion
olive spruce
I thought zag fists gave 15% dodge chance
rancid crag
yea maybe he forgot
and also he is correct with the damage reduction
as far as i can say
indigo tangle
Anyone every ran into a build that needs you to take damage to inflict raw pain?
rancid crag
also rigged you forgot positive outlook 🙂
well i will try it at some point, such a build can probably benefit from various revenge boons and earrings from megara
also stubborn defiance and dionysus boon that restores hp after encounter
you can do some risky build i suppose
indigo tangle
It was one playthrough with Excali-greyskull (check my most recent #h1-victory-boasting) where I picked up almost every single Artemis Boon, both Revenges of Ares and Demeter, Breaching Slash, and plenty of damage buffs
Hades managed to nearly kill me, if he wasn't so focused on bringing those Dead Vases up
olive spruce
Anyone every ran into a build that *needs* you to take damage to inflict raw pai...
revenge build without vengeful mood?
indigo tangle
Never ran into Zeus
I've gotten 3 extra Death Defiance on 3 separate times during that run
slim lynx
do i lvl up billowing strength or clouded judgement?
indigo tangle
Practically was deleting foes however, ran into the King Vermin and slaughtered it, and found myself dealing 1200 damage on ol' "Shield Dingus" on the duo fight
elder lava
any idea for a fun Rama build
olive spruce
any idea for a fun Rama build
dio special, aphro attack
or you could go full zeus on the special and not even bother using the attack
elder lava
i did the zeus one yesterday
was pretty funny
luckily found +4 on special and special speed as well from hermes
managed to get the full zeus set
olive spruce
hell yeah
elder lava
double strike, legeendary
as well as jolted never expiring, and smoldering air with zeus call
needless to say, the whole screen was yellow
olive spruce
lightning bolts for days
elder lava
lol yep
i will try dio special and aphro attack
I imagine that one rama special will fully stack hangover?
olive spruce
not sure, but with privileged status you should be able to do lots of damage
elder lava
hm, i wonder about poseiden special with rupture
olive spruce
could also try demeter special with killing freeze
elder lava
i've not been taking privileged status recently, been taking family favourite
yeah i'll try some of these out
don't wanna just go arte/aphro every game with athena dash
olive spruce
that's what I usually do
olive spruce
merciful end builds are great too
elder lava
i feel like (and i'm just speculating since i think i've only gone for merciful and once) they work better when both attacks are quite quick
frail schooner
I thought zag fists gave 15% dodge chance
oh oops, im also not sure precisely how much 2nd wind gives
elder lava
as opposed to ramas long charge
though i suppose it could be doom on special and deflect on dash
olive spruce
merciful end chaos shield build is my favourite
misty turret
doesn't dodge chance stack multiplicatively?
frail schooner
doesn't dodge chance stack multiplicatively?
no
elder lava
i'm asking a question that i do not fully understand, but is "random" stuff like dodge in this game
truly random
or is it like dota where
if you don't dodge
the game increases your chances of dodging the next attack
pseudo random?
outer glacier
At last run I try Zeus build with shield and it's work are incredibly effective.
unborn pebble
Ok, Domo, what was it you asked?
hearty condor
I'm curious - is it the legendary keepsakes that allows u to start really cutting down the run times?
ionic kraken
Aspect of Zeus is pretty good, but I do not like how it doesn’t get much distance. I’d like it better if it functioned like normal until it struck a wall, pillar, or enemy, at which point it would open up and become a slow-moving projectile.
Maybe that’d make it too strong, though. I dunno.
hearty condor
because i feel like i'm running decently efficient - couple clears, about 36 minutes. i'm sure i could shave 5-6 minutes off the run just from efficiency / boon / damage i select
unborn pebble
Keepsakes only go up to Epic, but if you're talking weapons then yes, a lot of them get particularly nasty once you get them up to Heroic/Legendary.
hearty condor
legendary keepsakes = the companions
hearty condor
got you got you
ive unlocked aspect of arthur and lucifer
have only done a couple runs with each
i presume as i keep upgrading that aspect and such depending on selecting flat damage boons
unborn pebble
Yeah, fully upgraded Companion Battie has helped me a lot.
misty turret
battie and shady are my personal favorites
unborn pebble
Battie and Shadie are really good.
Pretty sure that Shadie has the quickest activation?
misty turret
i'd enjoy aspect of rama more if the charge didn't take 3 centuries
unborn pebble
Imagine a world were +% attack/special speed affected charging
misty turret
shared suffering is crazy good though
lucid moth
how do speedrunners beat hades so fast like they take down both his stages down in 20 seconds, is there a special build?
unborn pebble
Specific builds and knowing the moveset
And knowing the strengths of their build even when they don't get the optimal versions.
That also a thing; finding builds that require only the weapon, a companion keepsake, and some 2-3 boons to be good helps immensely.
Because that's the thing I'm personally finding most effective right now, NJP and Domo, trying to learn which builds let me have consistency.
A good example of that is Secret Aspect Shield coupled with Aphrodite's cast.
Very nice, and doesn't even require that many things to truly pop-off.
@hearty condor Another thing you can do is to start using the Tight Deadline pact, it prevents you from getting timed survival rooms. Very nice.
And a further idea is to use the "+% chance to see boons/poms/hammers" and the "+% chance to see legendary/duo boons" options from the mirror.
misty turret
fast armored flame wheels 👁️👄👁️ why game, why
unborn pebble
See, that right there was yer first mistake 
misty turret
take 40% more damage/deal 121% more backstab damage
unborn pebble
Seriously though, sometimes the game just wants to go to town on you because you thought you could take a high-risk boon.
hearty condor
ohh @unborn pebble i didn't know that
i didnt want to be constrained by the time but i didn't realize it can alter the chambers
unborn pebble
Yep. A further thing to try, is once your build has all the parts it needs, don't go for the extra paths in Styx temple unless you absolutely have to do it.
misty turret
TD1 is pretty easy to handle
hearty condor
my problem is the hades fight as well
takes me like 7 minutes to beat his ass
haven't memorized his movements yet. only been to the surface 4 or 5 times
misty turret
ruthless reflex saving me from myself 😔
unborn pebble
Ok, so 3 or 4 things to work on, then:
hearty condor
u like ruthless better than greater reflex?
misty turret
i do yes
unborn pebble
Ruthless reflexes is, mathematically, the better choice.
hearty condor
honestly i'm not even really that good with any weapon except exagryph or spear 😆
gotcha
unborn pebble
It is just much harder to play with.
misty turret
50% dodge has saved my ass so many times
hearty condor
yeah it is really hard to play with lol
only 1 dash is hard
the dodge is that the same mirror perk?
misty turret
plus its not terribly uncommon to see hermes dash bonus
unborn pebble
And if you play on high heat you pretty much must get the extra dashes boon from Hermes (or use Twin Fists Secret Aspect) to survive.
misty turret
ruthless reflex is whenever you "Near Miss!" you get +50% damage and dodge chance for 2 sec
hearty condor
ahh i see
misty turret
e.g. dashing anywhere near a projectile or iframing with dash kek
hearty condor
lol
misty turret
game is lenient i feel
unborn pebble
The reason I say "must" is because there are some AOEs that you can't actually dodge out of with just 1 dash.
unborn pebble
And at high heat levels you may have been forced to use your dash to escape a different attack beforehand.
hearty condor
yep
ive only unlocked the pact of punishment / conditions in the last week so im still figuring out what i can run with and what makes it too hard
i also have a rule to never turn on god mode
unborn pebble
But learning to play with Ruthless Reflexes will do wonders for your game-sense.
hearty condor
so i have played entire game without it
unborn pebble
Nice!
hearty condor
good idea - thank you! @unborn pebble
misty turret
yeah aspect of rama is definitely more fun but aspect of chiron is stronger
regal garden
i need to upgrade my chiron
hearty condor
that's the bow right
hearty condor
im not very good w the bow at all. heard u need full auto for it to not suck
unborn pebble
I personally find that both of those are outperformed by the Zag and Hera aspects.
Except perhaps Rama for when you play with high amounts of Damage Control.
misty turret
im not very good w the bow at all. heard u need full auto for it to not suck
aspect of chiron is basically just hit an enemy with your attack and then spam special
hearty condor
ah i see
misty turret
DC with rama sounds like hell
unborn pebble
Spam Special
hearty condor
yea im just like working to farm titan blood rn to upgrade aspects
unborn pebble
Dash-attack when you can
hearty condor
and giving nectar to people to progress story and unlock a companion
unborn pebble
Oh, and get Dionysus on the special
misty turret
patroclus is genuinely one of the best room in elysium
hearty condor
and then i still need to beat the game on no heat w 4 of the 6 weapons
unborn pebble
It helps lots and lots
ionic kraken
What’s hungover do again?
unborn pebble
DOT
misty turret
stacking dot
unborn pebble
Stacking DOT indeed
echo radish
patroclus is genuinely one of the best room in elysium
patroclus is genuinely one of the best room in elysium
misty turret
stacks to 5 (or 8 with dio/aphro duo + weak)
ionic kraken
How is hungover different from ruptured?
regal garden
i find it more useful than dd these days
echo radish
Hungover is 80 damage per second
unborn pebble
Best build I've ever had on Rama was Aphro Attack + Twin Shot + Chain Shot + Dio special + Artemis Cast
misty turret
i almost never take kiss of styx premium
if im on a good run i take the damage if im not i take the healing
echo radish
First stack expires at 4sec after which it is 70 damage per second for 4 sec
misty turret
if i wasted DD before theseus then im already probably not doing well
echo radish
But ofc you can reapply to keep it at 80
unborn pebble
So here's a fun trick you can try: Stubborn Defiance + Athena
If you use your Stubborn Defiance in the room where you get the Athena Boon offered
She can refill your DD
Thing is, when you enter the next room...
echo radish
You get SD + DD
unborn pebble
You get your re-fillable DD back, ON TOP of the single-use one Athena gave
You can get 3 DDs + 1 Stubborn Defiance for when you fight Hades (provided you have the right luck with Chaos and Athena)
ionic kraken
Ruptured and hungover seem like they’d be better as status effects on the player. Since you can’t really force enemies to move around, ruptured just kinda seems like a weaker version of hungover. Might have some niche uses with particularly bouncy enemies, though.
unborn pebble
(and Chaos just gives you an extra on top of everything, if it is offered)
Ruptured is amazing with other knockback boons.
ionic kraken
Does ruptured knock enemies back?
echo radish
Enemies don't have to move for hungover
regal garden
i love ruptured
echo radish
Your attacks that knockback cause rupture
regal garden
like if i get tidal dash or smth
ruptured always helps
tidal dash always makes for a funr un
echo radish
And enemies are going to move cause you knocked them away from you
Hangover applies regardless of what enemies do btw, there's no proc condition
unborn pebble
OH! That's another thing, @hearty condor , Forced Overtime (Enemies move and attack faster) also causes enemies to spawn slightly more quickly because the game tries to overwhelm you with numbers more often.
But the rooms always have a set number of enemies they spawn which is determined when you enter.
hearty condor
ahh i see
unborn pebble
So that makes the rooms go more quickly.
unborn pebble
Not quite, but more quickly.
hearty condor
only thing w that is there is a timing cadence u develop as u do runs
increasing enemy speed and attack forces a whole new learning of timing lol
but it seems the natural progression of thing
this game is all about adapt and survive
unborn pebble
Yes, but once you get used to it that's just 3 free heat.
hearty condor
yeah for sure
ionic kraken
I’d probably like ruptured better if it knocked enemies away when it triggered. It’s definitely nice when you already have a few Poseidon boons, though.
unborn pebble
6 free heat, if you're a madlad.
hearty condor
sheesh i have only beat it on 1 heat w the exagryph lol
unborn pebble
You'll get there!
echo radish
It does! @ionic kraken
regal garden
my highest is 4 heat
unborn pebble
I can actually recommend the Zag aspect shield.
hearty condor
still just barely unlocked arthur and lucifer
regal garden
beat it on 4 heat twice
hearty condor
got you got you
regal garden
still need to beat it with fists on 3 heat
echo radish
Ruptured can only be triggered from poseidon boons and poseidon boons knock enemies away
unborn pebble
Fully Upgraded Zag Aspect shield is really nice, even when your mirror isn't all that strong yet.
sturdy barn
nah the best shield aspect is zeus
echo radish
Oh wait I'm stupid I just understood what you meant
unborn pebble
It is, but when you get Zeus you really want some extra things from the mirror to make it pop.
sturdy barn
get a strong boost on that bad boy, either zeus or aphro with some chaos special damage + boons and youre golden
unborn pebble
And using Zeus Shield is much less beginner friendly than Zag Shield
trail path
whats a good build for aspect of beowulf
sturdy barn
true true
you need to keep track of where it is
take a strong cast
i feel (not having played it) aphro would be the best
unborn pebble
Aphrodite Cast with Infernal Soul or Dio Cast with Stygian Soul
sturdy barn
ive used it once and just spammed special like an idiot and got bored lol
unborn pebble
Dio Cast is best on Beo, but it is less consistent since you really want to get more casts to use with it.
But that is mathematically best
sturdy barn
tbh high burst is much more fun usually so infernal soul should still be better
unborn pebble
It really comes down to playstyle.
sturdy barn
for fun at least lol
but if you get a good hermes return bloodstone boon then the burst build is better in terms of dps right?
unborn pebble
Yeah, Stygian Soul is really buttocks to play with until you get an additional cast or two.
You can't get that boon with Beo, Merph
unborn pebble
Beo can get neither Flurry Cast or "Drop Faster" boons from Hermes
So you'd need to have the Lambent Plume keepsake equipped
tranquil cliff
I'm still on 2-5 heat for most weapons, but what are some of your most/least favorite pact conditions, just in terms of how fun they are?
unborn pebble
Extreme Measures 4
echo radish
BP is my fav
regal garden
benefits package is pretty fun
sturdy barn
I'm still on 2-5 heat for most weapons, but what are some of your most/least fav...
i always use extreme measures, bosses are really fun
echo radish
Approval process is the one I hate the most
sturdy barn
and so is the time thing to 7 mins
echo radish
BP is hard but BP is love
regal garden
em1 is pretty free heat if you don't mess up with the
aoe damage
and em2 also is if you can adjust your hydra strat
echo radish
I'd say upto em2 is just vanilla game
tranquil cliff
So far I'm really enjoying BP, EM1... Middle Management is giving me headaches
unborn pebble
But everytime I've tried that with my other favoured pacts the game's RNG decides that my face is very good for stomping practice.
regal garden
i did actually lose a dd ona run
to em1
which was entirely my fault and it was an awful run so it does make it harder
but thats the only run
sturdy barn
yup, em 3 is extremely hard and em 4 is a nightmare but i LOVE using them anyway
regal garden
thats happened
for me
i did also restart it instantly after that happened because i should be not losing a dd in tartarus to complete a run
echo radish
Em3 beyblade is hard
regal garden
point is em1+2 is pretty free heat if you can adjust your boss strats
echo radish
The dork gets easier though
regal garden
and are careful
sturdy barn
theseus is harder if you are a dumbass and run in front of him
echo radish
I also like jury summons 1
hearty condor
yea gotta use the pillars and focus the bull first
unborn pebble
A thing you can do, if you're not averse to it, is to use the "Give Up" option when you realize that you just made a mistake in room/boon choice that is not possible to recover from.
regal garden
yeah
hearty condor
always nice to get the bull alone too in middle of elysium
misty turret
EM theseus+asterius is easier than non-EM dont @ me
echo radish
It seems to do nothing unless I'm running plume
regal garden
yeah asterius solo fights are fun
sturdy barn
but its better cause since he runs in circles you just beat him up from behind, kill him first with a good burst call/companion and then go for asterius
echo radish
Em asterius is a pain the ass
hearty condor
yep
echo radish
Stupid ass Shockwave and stupid ass beyblade
unborn pebble
I have accidentally sold a duo-boon and then got forced to sell the legendary when I had underworld customs activated.
hearty condor
there's that damn companion again lol i neeeed one
unborn pebble
I'd advise going for Meg's companion
sturdy barn
Stupid ass Shockwave and stupid ass beyblade
the strat is (with a melle weapon) dash twice into dash attack on the shockwaves
echo radish
I've been playing exclusively on fo2
sturdy barn
then in the beyblade just run in the edge in a circle
echo radish
Cause I'm trying to learn fo2
unborn pebble
Oh, FO2 EM3+ Asterius can go jump in a fire.
sturdy barn
ive attempted it 4 times and lost 2 despite having a 60ish% win rate
unborn pebble
Because there is a not insignificant chance that the move-selection algorithm has him constantly charging at you.
sturdy barn
funny joke uwu
regal garden
whats fo?
unborn pebble
Forced Overtime
regal garden
oh
misty turret
enemies become speed 👁️
sturdy barn
yeah his charge is really annoying, too much damage and he constantly avoids walls
unborn pebble
Enemies move and attack +20% / +40% faster
fast shardBOT
@sturdy barn Watch your language.
regal garden
i could that for my 3 heat zagreus fists plume right
misty turret
took 60 ambrosia but its worth it i swear 
https://i.imgur.com/3MdWrgK.png
unborn pebble
As an idea, Myth, try to get a Demeter boon (or the Dio one) for slowing him down.
regal garden
for the prophecy
sturdy barn
fists arent that good for it
echo radish
I do avoid demeter generally
regal garden
i dont care
sturdy barn
cause they are the most mellee of mellee and its hard to react in time
misty turret
demeter cast is my favorite
echo radish
Cause her boons require you to get the entire pack
sturdy barn
best you first try it with bow/special shield/rail
regal garden
i'm doing it anyway you realise
echo radish
Zag fist should work
unborn pebble
Snow Burst is all you need, Myth.
echo radish
I've done fo2 with zag fist plume build
sturdy barn
i'm doing it anyway you realise
good luck, sweet summer child
echo radish
I play only on 6 heat fo2 is the only pact I have active 
sturdy barn
ive put something on victory boasting btw @regal garden, a fist run with FO
unborn pebble
I'mma try to get my dream Zag Sword run.
regal garden
stop binging me
sturdy barn
it was broken and i still almost died lol
echo radish
Wew
unborn pebble
FO2 Lambent Plume Zag Sword with Epic Rush Delivery.
regal garden
ok well its gonna be fine ok i can just restart if it goes bad
echo radish
I'mma try to get my dream Zag Sword run.
Man imagine looking at the sword and picking anything but beautiful beautiful nemesis
sturdy barn
Man imagine looking at the sword and picking anything but beautiful beautiful ne...
:C
nemesis is fun
but zag tho
misty turret
maxed out all my hidden aspects https://i.imgur.com/8sAkNvR.jpg 👁️
unborn pebble
Man imagine looking at the sword and picking anything but beautiful beautiful ne...
Man, imagine looking at the sword and picking anything else but beautiful beautiful poseidon.
But I get you, Nemesis is bae.
Nemesis with Aphro Attack, Athena Special+Dash, and Artemis Cast.
echo radish
What is this poseidon you speak of, sword has only one aspect
regal garden
i only need to reveal the sheld one now
going for chaos next run im doing with shield
unborn pebble
Well done, pajama!
misty turret
shield only has one aspect and its called chaos
hearty condor
im obsessed w all poseidon boons lol
sturdy barn
artemis dash is the best dash tho, you cant change my mind
regal garden
i think my faves are
unborn pebble
Deadly Reversal, Merph
sturdy barn
im obsessed w all poseidon boons lol
he de best
misty turret
wtf no tidal dash
regal garden
divine + tidal + passion
hearty condor
yep
regal garden
drunk dash is also pretty fun for me but i havent it got recently
hearty condor
that or tidal dash
unborn pebble
Oh, while we're talking dashes and builds
hearty condor
those are the two i go for
echo radish
Step 1: tidal dash
Step 2:clear
unborn pebble
Here's a fun fist-build for you, Domo:
sturdy barn
right, spoken like people who havent gotten triple shot, point blank shot zag bows that deal 3k per shot
hearty condor
oh niceee
misty turret
i dislike playing guan yu because i am bad at playing video games
echo radish
Arty dash is cool and all but have you ever demeter fists with aphro dash
hearty condor
using the god keepsakes to control which boons to go for specific duos
sturdy barn
i dislike playing guan yu because i am bad at playing video games
saaaaaaaame
regal garden
yeah
echo radish
Dio attack, arty special and aphro dash
regal garden
alot of runs these days i do are focused on getting a duo boon or group of gods in advance
echo radish
There cannot be a better build on dem fists
hearty condor
that's a good one @echo radish
unborn pebble
Arty-Hadouken Demeter Fist is most fun build, change my mind!
regal garden
mainly for prophecies but also for fun
hearty condor
no doubt
misty turret
i got the hadouken with demeter fist one time
hearty condor
i don't like how close u have to get w the fists
misty turret
that was fun
hearty condor
but i just gotta git gud
regal garden
i went for dionysus legend + dio/zeus boon last run and got it
echo radish
Hadouken and shouryuken are both acceptable
regal garden
and also zeus legendary but didnt end up with the luck for that
unborn pebble
Alternatively Aphro-Hadouken Demeter Fist if you can get Athena Attack and Arty Cast for both Heartrend and Deadly Reversal duos
misty turret
honestly JS2 isn't that bad
sturdy barn
honestly JS2 isn't that bad
js?
echo radish
The only thing you gotta learn with fists is to not click the attack button every once in a while
sturdy barn
oh yeah, i barely realize js when i put it on lol
echo radish
I swear I dodge perfectly then do myself in the ass by attacking and cancelling my iframes
misty turret
like the only time i notice it is occasionally in styx more enemies will spawn after you clear a room
sturdy barn
same myth
unborn pebble
I need to start including jury-summons on my more quick-clearing melee builds
sturdy barn
especially while dodging the bloodstones from hades
echo radish
I also like jury summons 1
.
I cannot tell the difference between js on and off unless on plume
sturdy barn
yup
misty turret
DC is either like barely a threat to a massive pain in the ass depending on what you're using
sturdy barn
even then, only on aspho
misty turret
when you try to kill a skeleton and it jumps across the entire room
sturdy barn
you just sit like ._.
misty turret
i mean you can run everything on minimum
regal garden
i still have alot of things to do i could probably just only put on and then go for the run
sturdy barn
i played the beta and they legit did that at random pj
misty turret
some things suck
unborn pebble
I'd tell Aspho with FO1-FO2 and any Jury Summons to jump in a fire...
misty turret
e.g. trap damage
regal garden
like ive heard the mriror is bad
misty turret
like enjoy 5x damage magma
unborn pebble
But I think that's the problem
echo radish
I mean approval process is gross
regal garden
one but i can just put 1 rank of that on and nothing else and then go in right
thats the boon one right
misty turret
underworld customs isn't as bad as you would think tbh
echo radish
Yes
regal garden
i died my first trap damage run
misty turret
lernie em2 sucks
regal garden
yeah that sounds annoying
sturdy barn
i had like a 9 win streak at that point
misty turret
its not hard but like the magma just makes it so annoying
regal garden
hs + em2
unborn pebble
Trapdamage? better hope you get a Sure Footing of at least rare quality!
echo radish
LUL I can't even go between rooms without burning on the lava
sturdy barn
and just exploded at styx after my head gravitated to those axes
regal garden
yeah
sturdy barn
i got hit by 4 in that 1 run
regal garden
i got hit by one of those axes in the run
sturdy barn
and just ceased to exist
misty turret
i think i've only ever lost one run where i've picked up sure footing
its just too good
regal garden
asphodel honestly the lava is kinda bs in how easy it is
like i didnt realise it but
unborn pebble
Oh! I have a tip that might help, Myth: Get up to just before the lip of the dock, then dash at the door and spam the button to open the door.
echo radish
i got hit by one of those axes in the run
Guess it wasn't the axellent run you had huh
hallow pivot
if you have a gods keepsake, does that god help you in ||theseuses|| battle?
sturdy barn
off to tartarus with the rest of the shades myth
ionic kraken
It does! <@219616637769351169>
Oh, neat! That’s pretty epic.
sturdy barn
:C
misty turret
if you have a gods keepsake, does that god help you in ||theseuses|| battle?
having a call/aid is independent of having a god's keepsake
ionic kraken
Makes it better than simple conditional damage.
echo radish
No robo I misunderstood what you meant, sorry for that ping
misty turret
except for hades because duh
sturdy barn
if you have a gods keepsake, does that god help you in ||theseuses|| battle?
im pretty sure with how it works you cannot have every god helping you by the point you get to theseus. he has a random call from one of the gods NOT present in your run
ionic kraken
Oh, gotcha.
hallow pivot
having a call/aid is independent of having a god's keepsake
i meant like, how when he asks a god to help him, i did it once and i was using ||dionyusus boon|| so does that mean the god aids you ( without a call ) in the battle?
echo radish
Gods from your pool can help theseus
And this a spoiler chat you don't have to use spoiler
unborn pebble
Because if you are in i-frames when you open the door, the forced animations extend the i-frames until you exit the room, Myth
ionic kraken
Does Theseus not just call on Athena every time?
misty turret
nah he calls all the gods
misty turret
theseus-demeter is the worst yeah
sturdy barn
Does Theseus not just call on Athena every time?
lmao no
ionic kraken
Interesting.
misty turret
get hit by spear and take 40 fucking damage
dire heron
im pretty sure with how it works you cannot have every god helping you by the po...
There is an achievement for using a greater call on theseus that is the same he uses
unborn pebble
But Theseus can not call any gods that you have boons from.
ionic kraken
I still haven’t found a Demeter boon.
dire heron
I believe at least lol
echo radish
Heh one time theseus used a call I ajd priv status on and used arty aid
He got deleted before he even finished his call dialogue
sturdy barn
ive fought him 50 times and have never seen him use a god from my pool
huh
interesting tho lol
echo radish
Prolly my fav run
hallow pivot
demeter is a nightmare
unborn pebble
There is an achievement for using a greater call on theseus that is the same he ...
Nah, it's for using the greater call of a god against them when fighting them in a Trial of the Gods room.
dire heron
Yeah, I found that out lol
echo radish
There's a lesser chance it will but it's a non zero chance, p sure
Unless it got changed or something
hallow pivot
i wish you could donate multiple nectar to a charecter at once
sturdy barn
idk i started playing againa fter the beta last week
unborn pebble
Did you actually have a boon from that god at the time, or was that god just in your pool, Myth?
sturdy barn
i wish you could donate multiple nectar to a charecter at once
or ambrosia but yeah...
hallow pivot
i really need megs companion but shes always talking to that stupid gorbon
sturdy barn
i really need megs companion but shes always talking to that stupid gorbon
DONT CALL DUSA STUPID ;C
unborn pebble
98% sure that shouldn't be possible
ionic kraken
Is Demeter locked from appearing until 20-ish runs or something? I haven’t encountered her yet or even seen her boon in a room door, which surprises me.
sturdy barn
maybe he remembers an old build?
i think i remember him doing that when he first came out in the beta
sturdy barn
Is Demeter locked from appearing until 20-ish runs or something? I haven’t encou...
yes, until you reach the final boss i think
i dont think you gotta kill him tho
regal garden
then she appears
the next run
after you reach the surface for the first time
i would advise giving her a nectar asap
because she doesn't really appear as often as many other gods
unborn pebble
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Theseus#Combat
"Theseus can only call for aid from an Olympian who has not yet given Zagreus a boon in the current run. Theseus will never call for aid from Hermes. If Zagreus has boons from every Olympian, Theseus will call for aid from Artemis."
regal garden
and you need her keepsake if you really wanna build around her
unborn pebble
So unless you had yet to unlock all the gods, that shouldn't have been possible, Myth.
sturdy barn
tbh robo, demeter is really fun if you take her attack cause you just cheese past enemies
unborn pebble
I.E. You found a bug, now swat it!
sturdy barn
i wonttell you her mechanics but she is fun to have
slim lynx
is companion fidi worth maxing or is the damage too low?
misty turret
which is fidi? dusas?
unborn pebble
Dusa
sturdy barn
i mean do max it eventually, but she is pretty useless yes
misty turret
yeah its not great
sturdy barn
from my experience she is only good in the final rooms of styx
TERRIBLE for bosses which is what companions are usually best at
unborn pebble
Fidi technically has some unique use-cases where it is the best possible choice
echo radish
Huh
unborn pebble
But as has been said, that is not vs Bosses xD
slim lynx
is mort also good? and can i use it on the furies
echo radish
I could swear there was someone who even got theseus to call a call that they had
sturdy barn
I could swear there was someone who even got theseus to call a call that they ha...
did you play the beta y/n?
echo radish
I didn't
misty turret
dionysus would be the type of guy to give both zag and theseus a call
ionic kraken
The core boons are attack, special, cast, dash, and call, right? And you can only have one of each.
The other peripheral boons are unrestricted, though, correct?
echo radish
My man dio would never betray me
sturdy barn
yes
misty turret
pretty much
echo radish
Them thighs don't lie
misty turret
some stuff is incompatible but thats more a case-by-case thing
sturdy barn
i think there is only 1 restriction, you cant have 2 revenges
so not both zeus' revenge and ares'
slim lynx
i figured the reason you can't use battie on furies is because it makes no sense for megaera to swoop in and just voluntarily deal massive damage to her sister much less with extreme measures on
ionic kraken
I see.
echo radish
Oh what are you sure?
sturdy barn
dont quote me on that tho
misty turret
like i think freezing vortex and hunting blades are incompatible
echo radish
I've been offered multiple revenges
ionic kraken
What do Freezing Vortex and Hunting Blades do?
echo radish
Also aren't revenge builds built around having multiple revenges
Vortex is chill on blade rift
sturdy barn
idk my man i usually get them cause im an idiot who face tanks but ive never seen both of em
echo radish
Hunting blade is blade rift is smaller but has tracking
sturdy barn
literally just started participating on the community so idk
ionic kraken
I see.
misty turret
freezing vortex (ares/demeter) shrinks your blade cast and slows it down but it inflicts chill
hunting blades (ares/artemis) shrinks your blade cast and homing
ionic kraken
So these are Duo boons?
misty turret
yeah
sturdy barn
yes
ionic kraken
Do they take up the core slot since they modify your cast? If so, it makes sense that they’re mutually exclusive, I think.
unborn pebble
Wait, Hunting Blades shrinks the cast? I've never noticed that
keen mesa
yeah, it shrinks it, but it's really good
because it makes it move slower (hitting the target more often)
unborn pebble
Freezing Vortex and Hunting Blades are not mutually exclusive
regal garden
hunting blades sounds actually godo wow
unborn pebble
Oh, Freezing Vortex does shrink it, now I get what you meant, ignite
sturdy barn
and they didnt feel smaller
ionic kraken
I guess they don’t take up the core slot, then.
misty turret
they are
unborn pebble
Huh, how long has that been a thing?
ionic kraken
Or maybe they do. 😳
unborn pebble
Because I had a build not too far back in which they weren't...
sturdy barn
which dont take a core slot?
misty turret
duo boons dont take the cast slot
echo radish
https://youtu.be/1Rhu1p0Ck9M @sturdy barn
misty turret
they just augment the existing cast
ionic kraken
Freezing Vortex and Hunting Blades.
echo radish
Multiple revenges together
sturdy barn
the only things that take core slots are boons that say "your attack does x" or "your cast does y"
echo radish
I see atleast Zeus, ares and demeter in the final fight
ionic kraken
Do any Duos take up core slots?
misty turret
huge catch is the most underwhelming legendary out there
echo radish
No duos take core
ionic kraken
What’s Huge Catch?
echo radish
You get more fishing spots
misty turret
poseidon boon, +20% chance for fish to appear in a given room
keen mesa
duos can't take cores, because they require cores 😉
sturdy barn
huge catch is the most underwhelming legendary out there
i got it on the first room once, it was amazing
ionic kraken
Oh. I haven’t fished yet.
sturdy barn
then i got it on the last room in styx once
misty turret
i got 3 fishing spots the whole run
sturdy barn
and it was terrible
misty turret
unlucky sadge
regal garden
no
sturdy barn
btw robo, you need to pay the contractor 1 diamond to get it
misty turret
fishing is great, surface fish can get you diamonds/ambrosia/titan blood
sturdy barn
do it, its worth
sturdy barn
i read it in the wiki
keen mesa
I'm on chamber 35, just before Thesus, and I haven't gotten a single fishing spot this run rofl
sturdy barn
you dont need to beat the game, just reach the surface
you dont need to beat the final boss
echo radish
Sturgeon?
echo radish
When I first turned in the Sturgeon I was like omg is that blood I see
misty turret
im missing legendary tartarus, elysium, and chaos
echo radish
Well don't mind if I do
echo radish
Is Sturgeon a legendary?
sturdy barn
im only missing the COMMON chaos :ccccccccc
keen mesa
I'm still missing the legendary fish from Chaos, Elysium, and Greece
misty turret
sturgeon is the legendary fish for surface yeah
sturdy barn
ive gotten 3 of the legendary but no commons :ccccccccccccc
misty turret
gets you titan blood turning it in
echo radish
Oh I caught a legendary fish woah
unborn pebble
Hmm...
keen mesa
yeah, but the bass that gives you ambrosia is exactly the same as getting titan blood, because of 1:1 trade rofl
regal garden
yeah ive only caught a fish in chaos once
keen mesa
in fact, getting the ambrosia is better
misty turret
i've got like 7 fish in chaos
echo radish
I got one fish in chaos
sturdy barn
cause you can choose if you want blood or ambro
regal garden
lots of darkness though
echo radish
Catching fish is chaos is extreme pressure cause chaos is watching you
regal garden
so i can see why its rare its very useful for darkness
echo radish
And he comments if you fail or catch
keen mesa
you can trade 1 ambrosia into 1 titan blood, but trading it back requires special trade of 2 titan blood to 1 ambrosia
sturdy barn
still tho its annoying
echo radish
So I'm just sweating
unborn pebble
Would you guys think that the "Pick Run Seed" mod would let you try and cheese the game into giving you both Hunting Blades and Freezing Vortex? Because I am 95% sure I've had that combo sometime since Hades went 1.0
misty turret
i mean im pretty sure they're incompatible 🤷
echo radish
Size decrease from both will you be shooting a bullet?
misty turret
aphro cast better anyway
echo radish
I personally am not a fan of rifts
regal garden
ares is brilliant
echo radish
Meme beam is superior in every way
regal garden
i think the blade rift cast is his weakest stuff
if only because i havent played with it much
echo radish
^
ionic kraken
What’s meme beam?
echo radish
I agree with Chloe
sturdy barn
ah you havent gotten the legendary
unborn pebble
Merciful End is beautiful
sturdy barn
robo its deme
regal garden
his blade rift dash is very good if you get the legendary and buffs for it
sturdy barn
so you havent seen it
ionic kraken
Oh.
echo radish
If I'm forcing a cast build I'm 100%, going for deme
ionic kraken
Does her cast boon turn your cast into a beam?
unborn pebble
Correction: Merciful End is OP
echo radish
I have got the ares legendary with the size increase and hunting blades
And yes demeter is meme beam
sturdy barn
i mean, special ares is alright but extremely underwhelming
why take him when you can take poseidon and just one shot
regal garden
doom damage is amazing
sturdy barn
why wait for the one shot damage
echo radish
Curse of nausea is the best ares duo
unborn pebble
Zeus Shield Ares with stacking Doom?
echo radish
Change my mind
sturdy barn
idk the duos :c
regal garden
oh yeah ive got curse of nausea twice now
it makes hangover damage every 0.35 seconds
rather than 0.5
ionic kraken
Oof.
echo radish
Low tolerance Keepo
regal garden
i still need high tolerance
sturdy barn
oh yeah thats good lol
ionic kraken
Also, I used to like Blade Rift until I realized it made it really hard to put Bloodstones in enemies.
regal garden
it hasnt shown up yet
ionic kraken
Which made Boiling Blood useless to me.
regal garden
yeah there is a trade off you do
sturdy barn
Also, I used to like Blade Rift until I realized it made it really hard to put B...
i like it despite that
ionic kraken
I prefer Artemis’s seeking cast.
unborn pebble
Merciful End is Athena x Ares and insta-procs the doom while also increasing the base damage by 40 when you do so. This combines amazingly with Ares' Impending Doom boon which normally inceases the time it takes for Doom to proc but also gives a +%-based increase on the doom damage.
regal garden
with taking casts like demeters or dionysus or ares
echo radish
Yep the only non lodging cast I'd go for is meme beam if I do a cast run otherwise trippy shot with the full duo package
ME is op, it's not supposed to be compared with other duos
It's a tier of it's own
unborn pebble
Yup.
unborn pebble
I am also about 75% sure that the Impending Doom damage multiplier goes in before the global damage multipliers
echo radish
I got ME once in my entire hades career
echo radish
That was my fastest run till date
unborn pebble
Ares Special on Chiron bow
unborn pebble
Athena Attack and Athena Dash, Merph
sturdy barn
since im really used to the dash attack perfect shots
echo radish
ME is for fast weapons
sturdy barn
but gotcha tho
ionic kraken
I think I had Artemis’s cast before I got Merciful End. Can’t remember what I had from Ares, though.
unborn pebble
Alternatively Ares Special on Zeus Shield or Ares Attack on any Fist
sturdy barn
ME is for fast weapons
ye but 8 attacks in 1 is kinda op
keen mesa
I start with god guage at 77% full haha
echo radish
Wdym?
sturdy barn
the chiron bow
thats what the special does
all the arrows attack the enemy you hit
and ive maxxed it
echo radish
Sure but you're not proccing ME so what's the point of hunting ME with it?
sturdy barn
so its 8 hits in one
ionic kraken
Oh, that reminds me. Is there a limit on how many peripheral boons you can have? Like, in that screenshot, it looks like you have only have room for five more boons.
unborn pebble
Ares Special + Impending Doom + Dire Misfortune is amazing on both Zeus Shield and on Chiron Bow
keen mesa
nope, it just expands more Robomata
unborn pebble
Especially if you can get Merciful End to finish it.
echo radish
You need to keep dash attacking with ares on attack and Athena dash
That's how ME builds work
sturdy barn
athena dash into attack on a melle is actually the best
ye i got that
i didnt understand how it worked i looked it up lol
unborn pebble
Zeus Shield or any Fist weapon is usually a much better pick for an ME build.
sturdy barn
i thought that athena attacks made your next doom do more damage
unborn pebble
I guess you could technically go for it on the Zag Sword?
sturdy barn
and when you hit doom twice it pops
but no
ill see what ill do, probably hidden fists
or whatever has dark thirst
echo radish
Sword is pretty fast and short range
sturdy barn
most likely that
echo radish
ME works pretty well
unborn pebble
That's if you get both the Ares x Athena AND the Aphrodite x Ares duos
Merciful End + Curse of Longing
echo radish
You need to build ares attack Athena special and Athena dash for getting ME
Curse of longing and ME are anti synergy
unborn pebble
Yup.
sturdy barn
yeah that seems kinda op
cloud vault
You can also do ares on attack and Athena on special with Lucifer
echo radish
No I mean they don't synergize with each other
unborn pebble
Oh, I forgot about Lucifer xD
echo radish
They completely do opposite things
cloud vault
The reverse works too
unborn pebble
There's a gun with meme-beams if I've ever seen one!
cloud vault
You'll get 2 or 3 doom procs per special either way
echo radish
What's lucifer special
sturdy barn
its a bomb
echo radish
Same as other rail?
sturdy barn
that radiates damage every second
echo radish
Oh
sturdy barn
and then explodes when you damage it
echo radish
Makes sense now
unborn pebble
Or when an enemy runs into the very center of it
sturdy barn
kinda messy since it also explodes from dashing into it with a boon that damages
and that lol
ive had it once with demeter dash and it was reaaaaaaaaaally messy
echo radish
Well rip arty dash doesn't work with lucifer very well does it?
sturdy barn
im pretty sure it exploded when i shot it in white spots
where id dashed to
it does
if you get multiple dashes especially
but thats mainly cause i love it
it doesnt work too well but its still ok
worse than tidal by far tho
echo radish
Tidal is best dash, that's understandable
sturdy barn
when you use it myth, try having a zeus attack + getting the infinite ammo hammer
echo radish
I wanna try super soaker with seastorm
sturdy barn
that could be ok i think
echo radish
It's the same thing which you said
sturdy barn
idk rail's damage feels underwhelming even though i LOVE it
echo radish
But with knockback
sturdy barn
knockback didnt really work well from my experience
but it could just be that i did that run at 3am
naaah
echo radish
On lucifer?
sturdy barn
yes
echo radish
How so can't you just keep them glued to the wall?
sturdy barn
idk it didnt work well for me
again, 3am
i barely remember it i just remember dying to the hydra twice
i did nothing to bosses
im pretty sure it was because the low attack buff from poseidon attack or i got an antisynergy and my brain deleted that from my memory
sturdy barn
yee sadly
even tho he the maaan
but, again, i encourage you to try crit bow with artemis attack and dash
potentially some crit buffs from her too
echo radish
I haven't upgraded zag bow
sturdy barn
no duo's necessary just spam her
echo radish
I'm stuck on trying to master Rama
sturdy barn
its absurdly strong and cheap since i think it only needs 1 per level
fair, i used it once and didnt like it cause i cant perfect shot with it lol
rama i mean
keen mesa
all zag weapons require 1 titan blood per level
all hidden aspects require 3 per level
the others require 1+2+3+4+5 and 2+2+3+4+5
misty turret
i believe the titan blood costs for each weapon are 5/15/16/15 for the aspects
keen mesa
correct
sturdy barn
so you need 51 for everything huh?
misty turret
1/1/1/1/1, 1/2/3/4/5, 2/2/3/4/5, 3/3/3/3/3 if memory serves
sturdy barn
idk whats worse, that thats really big or that ive almost done it on 2 weapons in a week
i shouldnt be studying rn
i do not hate myself
right imma go
cya nerds, gl escaping hell
keen mesa
61 per weapon Merph, 5 weapons, that's 305 😉
echo radish
Do you really need anything but all fist aspects to be happy in life though
misty turret
305 not counting the other titan blood costs
there's the resource director rank (10) and stygian theme (10) so 325
sturdy barn
also arent there 6 weapons
sword, spear, shield, bow, fists, rail
as much as i dont wanna count the shield, its 366 --> 386
sturdy barn
lmaooooooooooo
echo radish
Rip
keen mesa
wait, we're counting the spear as a weapon?
misty turret
5 + 15 + 16 + 15 = 51
misty turret
your 2 mistakes happened to almost cancel each other out lmaooo
keen mesa
wooohooo, EM4 finally beaten, heat 21 with Excalibur
lucid moth
nice
keen mesa
I decided early on I anted the most tanky build possible
so I went for keepsakes Athena -> Aphro -> Sigil
unborn pebble
Hmm... Zag Aspect is always 1+1+1+1+1, right? Second aspect is always 1+2+3+4+5 (or do you spend an additional +1 to unlock it?), yes?
unborn pebble
Ok, so then second aspect is always 1+2+3+4+5 making third aspect most expensive at 2+3+4+5+6?
echo radish
Unlocking it is lv1
unborn pebble
Or are the second and third aspects the same price?
unborn pebble
Right!
Still the most expensive, then, since the hidden aspects are 3/3/3/3/3
Just 16 titan blood instead of 20 xD
open matrix
Some hella good build for Shield? Aspect of chaos, i thought about Doom
fair cairn
doom and zeus
fading garden
So question, how do we find information about the base damage of weapons
misty turret
i saw theseus call upon demeter this run and that i think was the quickest i've clicked call in a while
fading garden
testing it out on the dummy
That's it huh
misty turret
time for my first 16 heat run
rain juniper
swift strike + flurry fire literally makes the rifle weapon into a machine gun
misty turret
cluster special + rocket special turns the gun into war crimes
wispy fossil
fading garden
Does splitting bolt trigger off sea storm?
little quiver
Any good builds if i want to go for the charon prophecy? Ive only managed to beat him using chiron with artemis special
little quiver
Oh so you dont have to take the fight everytime you see it?
I thought if you pass on it you lose your "streak"
frail schooner
Nah only if you get killed by him
regal garden
just got stubborn roots and and divine protection in the same run
.
along with a load of dodge boosts
impossible to kill
muted herald
Beat ex measures hades on my first try
Berry fun
Thank god for jolt
And demeter duo
weary moth
misty turret
doom stacking lucifer is great
a shame i didn't get dire misfortune earlier in that run but w/e
tiny olive
omg
omg aspect of zagreus maxed out all the way(%15 percent dodge chance) with Hermes' keepsake(which can give you up to around 20% dodge chance), the hermes boon that gives you a 10% percent dodge chance, and second wind the boon that gives 30% percent dodge chance after you call
its soooo good
and fun
misty turret
hermes keepsake, zag fists, and ruthless reflex can get you 65% + whatever hermes gives you after a near miss
boreal cradle
whihch boons should i focus on the adamant rail , playing withh hestia aspect currently?
turbid needle
hestia is for big attacks
special unneeded, just grab one if you're going for legendaries or duos
aphro or artemis attack
keen mesa
How does Lightning Strike work with Aspect of Rama?
does it do lightning strike to all enemies marked by special?
hrm, no, it doesn't, lol
turbid needle
it strikes every enemy that the special hits, but not just those with shared damage
tiny olive
hermes keepsake, zag fists, and ruthless reflex can get you 65% + whatever herme...
whats ruthless reflex?
turbid needle
If I have zeus's lighting special boon, and something else (like chaos boon or hammer upgrade) that boosts special damage, does the lighting also get more dmg
keen mesa
no usva
turbid needle
I assume it's the ssame with ares' special boon