h1-builds-and-combat

[terse mist]

that would make sense

the special is 2 hits and boons usually hit on the second

[gray lintel]

on non-talos things I have had fun with Rush Kick and Posideon Special however

[terse mist]

so pull in for the first hit and knockback on the second

[gray lintel]

especially with faster special speed

I had absolutely no clue where my positioning was at any point in time, or where enemies were, but it was fun.

[turbid needle]

i love rush kick

[regal garden]

is cerberus collar viable with guan yu

[terse mist]

it kind of offsets the debuff but i wouldnt necessarily go that route

[turbid needle]

yes, but it also is reduced

[regal garden]

yeah

[terse mist]

with gy i usually try to up my special and spin bc those are the main draws of that weapon

[regal garden]

just like thinking about like how i would go about it

[turbid needle]

but it's not really necessary, just lvl up guan yu and go for minotaur hearts and remember to spin

[regal garden]

probbaly not gonna go for a run with guan yu until its fully upgraded anyway

what does the spin do

[terse mist]

like enhance the good aspects of it rather than try an offset the bad aspects yanno

[turbid needle]

guan yu lvl 1 is rough

[terse mist]

spin is the life-stealing hit

you get 1hp for each hit it does to an enemy

[regal garden]

yeah i'm not going into it with 30 health

[turbid needle]

it flies like a frisbee and pulse hits, each hit gains 1 life

[terse mist]

it can be useful but you really need to get the timing down

[regal garden]

cool

so its kind of ranged

[terse mist]

and also yeah its hard on lv1 lol

yeah its got a short range

theres a hammer that extends it i think

[turbid needle]

friends don't let friends guan yu lvl 1

[terse mist]

amen

[regal garden]

yeah theres a hammer that

increases spin range

had it with hades aspect one run

its only level 2 but thats sucha fun aspect fo rme

[turbid needle]

i usually plan to do special build or spin build every time with guan yu

i actually prefer spinning

big spin with hades is overkill

hades worse spear too

[regal garden]

i liked it ok

[turbid needle]

do what you like, but I'm an achilles or guan yu only guy

[regal garden]

yeah my achilles is only level 2

i also kind of like the look of the hades spear

[terse mist]

same

hades spear is my fav aspect i think just because its fun to beat dad with his own aspect

[regal garden]

currently trying to get all my second aspects of weapons to level 2 with my titan blood

[turbid needle]

I use golden touch and buy the titan blood every run, so I have an aspect of two maxed in every weapon, and i'm only up to heat 10

max is better than lvl 2

[real kernel]

If anyone wants to see the luckiest run in the world, check #h1-victory-boasting.

[turbid needle]

better to focus

[regal garden]

highest i did was heat 4

last run

still need to beat 3? weapons with heat 3 though

[real kernel]

Did you know it is possible to get two Athena boons at the Temple of Styx shop?

[terse mist]

yup

i once got 3 zeus boons from that shop haha

[real kernel]

The first one in my latest run was Brilliant Riposte, and the second was Divine Protection.

And I still got the Diamond.

[turbid needle]

who do you think is harder, EM4 hades or Chiron?

I think Chiron is way harder than normal hades

[terse mist]

em4 hades

[turbid needle]

em4 hades is rough

[terse mist]

but charon is harder than normal i agree

[turbid needle]

that swat is long and hard

[misty turret]

charon is annoying but not harder than EM4 hades

[turbid needle]

i need to learn the pattern for charon... pretty sure he's possible to no hit, but I constants almost die to him

[real kernel]

I think everything in Hades is possible to no-hit

[terse mist]

my first time fighting charon was like "ive kicked my dad's ass into the dust twenty times, fought literally ten thousand shades, and yet i get my ass handed to me by a weird goth skeleton dude slapping me with his oar"

[turbid needle]

i just don't get charon often since I usually skip shops since I;m saving for styx shop

EM4 hades is pretty hard to no hit

that dude throwing his spear and the mini bosses, what a pain

[terse mist]

the minibosses 🤮

[regal garden]

whats your least favourite styx miniboss

mines probably snakestone?

[terse mist]

tiny vermin

[regal garden]

or the bomb one

[turbid needle]

nah, bosses are easy

[regal garden]

ive only got tiny vermin once

i find the styx minibosses at that point though are really easy to just melt

[turbid needle]

worst styx is the satyr final room

[regal garden]

with the right attacks

yeah the satyrs hard but i can just melt it

[tranquil atlas]

for me charon feels harder but thats prob bc it uses up the extra lives wher as hades is the last thing

[terse mist]

yeah i find that to be mostly true

tiny vermin is hard for me because i keep losing track of it

[turbid needle]

Charon is rough if you fight him in tarturus

[regal garden]

i find satyr easier to dodge than snake in miiboss content

[terse mist]

which gives other enemires more time to spawn

[turbid needle]

snake is easy

[terse mist]

do you guys prefer fighting satyr or giant vermin?

[turbid needle]

i melt snake and super satyr and super bomb so easy

[regal garden]

vermin

less ranged

[turbid needle]

giant vermin are just meat

[terse mist]

yeah same here

[misty turret]

satyr > giant vermin > the super snakestone thing > tiny vermin

imo

[turbid needle]

tiny vermin is funny boss

[regal garden]

what about the bomber one

[turbid needle]

if you don't like the bosses, chose boss rooms after your first room, it makes it a chance to be a satyr bag and you skip a boss

[terse mist]

the giant bother is annoying but its consistently been my fastest to kill

[regal garden]

i find the bomber one annoying tbh

[turbid needle]

bomb is easy, he's usually dead in secongs

seconds

[regal garden]

with how much area it has

[misty turret]

oh yeah the giant bother

[regal garden]

even if it has less health

[turbid needle]

depending on my build, he's dead before his adds come

[misty turret]

honestly the saws in temple of styx are the real MVP

600 damage to enemies for free

[regal garden]

the boss rooms still have less enemies usually than the normal ones

[turbid needle]

saws with athena are bearable

[regal garden]

so i go for them more these days if i can

[turbid needle]

i usually go slow and clear all rooms

i haven't started doing that timer heat much

[regal garden]

i try to go for under 30

in all my runs

i usually have dont have to go for higher than 3 tunnels to get the sack

[turbid needle]

my fastest run is 28 mins... most of my runs are 33 min

[regal garden]

so i dont really waste time going for extra ones after that

[turbid needle]

I think i just slow

[regal garden]

my fastest is 25 and all the other reocrds are sub 30

excpet for blade which is 32

[turbid needle]

sword is my fastest

[regal garden]

which is my next one im gonna do anwyay so i can hopefully chip that down

25 on bow

last run i did

[turbid needle]

which bow?

[regal garden]

zagreus

[turbid needle]

nice

I usually skip zag bow

[regal garden]

dont have too many levles into other aspects

[turbid needle]

was it a crit build?

[regal garden]

and i like the crits

kinda

it was a crit weak + doom build

[turbid needle]

what was on what?

[regal garden]

got curse of longing

in asphodel

doom was special

[turbid needle]

aphro on attack?

[regal garden]

scroll up in victory boasting for it

yeah

hypothetical question

would it be possible to beat a run with level 1 guan yu

and no health boosts from the mirror

[lean knot]

hypothetically yes

[regal garden]

15 base health

[chilly sapphire]

just don’t get hit

[exotic quail]

so like is the "aspect of a" meant to be for tanking or am i playing wrong

[turbid needle]

?

aspect of a meant?

[exotic quail]

the hidden aspect for the stygian blade

[turbid needle]

yeah, it's for big hits and tanking

[exotic quail]

not gonna say the name outside of spoilers because it feels wrong

i've just been mostly taking the hits

[turbid needle]

with weakening, you can tank the big guy mostly

spoilers allowed here

[regal garden]

^

[turbid needle]

it's called ARTHUR, and it's the legendary Excalibur weapon

[real kernel]

I actually like the Aspect of ||Arthur|| for the massive range and damage.

[exotic quail]

i just kinda overpower bosses then heal after

[real kernel]

It works surprisingly well with Cursed Slash

[misty turret]

its a good aspect for the big sweeping attacks it does

good group damage but it kinda struggles with single target

[turbid needle]

don't forget to dash attack

[magic glen]

Trying to unlock Arthur but my rng is so bad. Took like 20 runs to trigger guan whatever

[exotic quail]

i have been

[turbid needle]

if they are slowed by dio or dem and in the aura, enemies are really slow

[misty turret]

arthur also slows projectiles to a halt

which is nice

[exotic quail]

oh yeah triggering the guan yu thing is really difficult, i think they should up the priority of the conversation with achilles

YES i love how slow projectiles are in it

and i have calculated risk in my current build so projectiles will just be. meaningless

[real kernel]

My favorite part about Arthur is being able to dash between combo hits. You can dodge everything, even without the aura, and deal what I believe is the most base damage in the game

[exotic quail]

i should do that more

[misty turret]

you can dash in the combos either before or during the swing too

[turbid needle]

athena flurish is funny with arthur

[misty turret]

since there's a sorta charge thing zag does when swinging it

[real kernel]

Yep, the final hit in Arthur's combo is literally the single most damaging attack in the game: 200

You really feel it

[turbid needle]

what's the highest someone has crit with that?

[real kernel]

I got over 2000 with something once. I think it was that, can't remember for sure

[turbid needle]

i think 3k plus

[misty turret]

sooner or later ill have at least 2 non-zag aspects maxed on all my weapons

which is nice

[muted herald]

I was hitting 1.5k with white boons

So def possible

[real kernel]

I like to mix it with Divine Dash and Blinding Flash, then backstab with Deadly Strike

[turbid needle]

Last night I finally maxed Hestia and played with that... that was a lot of fun

[muted herald]

Altho

[misty turret]

athena legendary is so good

[turbid needle]

chic-chic-BOOM

[muted herald]

Isnt aph cast 2.5k damage

[real kernel]

I know, it's spectacular

[misty turret]

being able to just say "no" to an attack every 20s is actually pretty crazy

[muted herald]

What if it crit

[misty turret]

aphro aid is 2500 damage

[real kernel]

Oh, right

I guess that counts

[muted herald]

Oops ye aid

[turbid needle]

aphro aid is lame, better to go arte aid

[muted herald]

Theres arty call too

Hits insane numbers

[real kernel]

Yeah, but you can't boost damage on that like you can on actual Attacks

[misty turret]

i dont think hades aid is worth it when you could just have like arty/aphro aid with some other keepsake like spearpoint or smth

[muted herald]

And i think poseidon aid is like 600 per hit?

[turbid needle]

it's big, but depends on lvl and boons

[misty turret]

poseidon can do more than aphro but you actually have to play the video game for it

[muted herald]

Hmmm

[misty turret]

also a fast/teleporting enemy can screw it up

[muted herald]

But single biggest hit is def aph aid with crit

[exotic quail]

is hades aid any good

[muted herald]

No way you juice up excalibur enough that it peaks above 2500 base

[misty turret]

hades aid is ok

god gauge starts at 30% full with sigil of the dead so you can activate it sooner but its kinda meh

[exotic quail]

i have the sigil i just havent used it because im maxing out all of my keepsakes in order

it sounds not bad but it doesnt sound great

i imagine if you max gauged with an amazing dps build you could do something cool but idk

[misty turret]

its basically invincible + double damage for 5 sec

[muted herald]

Whats hades aid? I was mostly playing pre release

[misty turret]

with full gauge

https://i.imgur.com/KHInD0d.png

[real kernel]

The duration feels underwhelming given the amount you have to charge it

[muted herald]

So i only finished credits yesterday

Ah

[misty turret]

you can't swap to sigil of the dead if you have already taken an aid from another god

[exotic quail]

im assuming you cant get rid of hades aid ever

without removing sigil of the dead

[misty turret]

if you have the sigil on yeah i dont think you get other aids

[muted herald]

Would it be possible to use that with the duo boon that makes you only have 20% aid bar

[tranquil atlas]

yes ive done that

[muted herald]

I was running a call build the other day with that

[misty turret]

unseen >> invisible

[muted herald]

Kinda nut with aph aid, just charm everything

[misty turret]

i dont think it'd be worth it unless you were using like

cluster rockets

or smth

[exotic quail]

i think if unseen lasted a bit longer it would probably be cool

im mostly just interested because OOOooO HADES BOON

[real kernel]

Yeah, that's what I said earlier: it is too short a duration

[misty turret]

i prefer eurydice/patroclus keepsakes tbh

sisyphus for like

tartarus

[daring turtle]

One neat thing with it is its initial gid gauge bonus stacks with proud bearing

[muted herald]

Im just using meg for aoe nuke

[misty turret]

sisyphus keepsake makes tartarus almost impossible to lose kek

[daring turtle]

Can start each encounter with like 70+% at max

[tranquil atlas]

than better for that if your willing to wait a bit

[misty turret]

i like hermes keepsake too

but it depends on the run too much to be good

bad run makes the keepsake bad

[real kernel]

Hades' Aid should have a duration similar to the other Aids that make you invincible.

[muted herald]

Than keepsake kinda inconsistent

[vital hound]

guys!
guys...
i just tried EM4 for the first time

[muted herald]

Sometimes you nuke rooms

[vital hound]

i'm still shaking

[muted herald]

Other times you whiff

[real kernel]

Once it is seen it cannot be Unseen

[misty turret]

than keepsake or than companion?

[vital hound]

eeehehe - i see what you did there

[muted herald]

Companion oops

[misty turret]

i use meg companion because i can hit both theseus and asterius with it if i use it instantly

[muted herald]

Yeah

[misty turret]

also no delay

[muted herald]

Meg companion is more consistent

And is why i prefer it

[real kernel]

Speaking of nuking rooms, I have a renewed appreciation for splash cast (that is, Flood Shot) now

[muted herald]

Oh

[daring turtle]

I wish Dusa companion did more damage so it's more viable

[misty turret]

achilles companion is marginally better than meg for single target damage but meg is just generally good

[muted herald]

My fastest run is somehow with a flood shot build

[real kernel]

Splash cast really makes a mockery of Styx

[regal garden]

flood shot

is so mcuh fun

[real kernel]

It feels like bullying

[muted herald]

Flood shot rupture monka

[real kernel]

Just slamming everything into the corner

Immediately

[misty turret]

tidal dash + second wave and other poseidon things makes styx just funny more than anything

[daring turtle]

With the wall slam water explosion boon, Styx becomes pinball

[coarse moss]

why flood shot when you can flood flare

[real kernel]

It was especially nuts on my latest run

[misty turret]

tidal dash > divine dash dont @ me

[muted herald]

@misty turret

[misty turret]

rage

[muted herald]

[real kernel]

No, that's Ares

[tranquil atlas]

chiron with posiden speciall and both wall damage boons would be insane

[misty turret]

chiron is insane by default

[muted herald]

Dionysius cast with zeus duo also disgusting

[misty turret]

chiron doesnt need much to be good kek

[real kernel]

I like how Zeus is sort of underwhelming in most ways initially, but if you get enough of his Boons you start to understand his reputation

[misty turret]

zeus attack on gun ❤️

[real kernel]

That's why I said "most ways"

Zeus really snowballs

[tranquil atlas]

ya once i got a bunch of lighting boons so whenever any enemy did anything they got hit

[regal garden]

i had a run where i had mostly zeus boons

[misty turret]

last run i got epic zeus attack + epic bonus chain lightning does i had crazy group damage

but then hades was a 5 minute fight

so

[regal garden]

and it was running around lightning

[muted herald]

Zeus fucks shit up

A jolt build is amazing

[misty turret]

festive fog is just kinda good

ill never not take it

[tranquil atlas]

jolt + zeus atack + ||lucifer aspect|| is too good

[muted herald]

This channel is spoiler allowed

It fine

[real kernel]

I wonder if there were alternative ideas for the Zeus/Aphrodite Duo Boon.

[misty turret]

lucifer gun is the most fun i've had playing gun in a while

[muted herald]

I hate luci gun

[real kernel]

Or is Smoldering Air a euphemism for some sort of STD?

[muted herald]

Tracking too hard

[daring turtle]

I don't like the Lucifer special attack, but its beam is so useful with a lot of boons

[real kernel]

The auto-aim makes Hellfire almost unusable

[misty turret]

fast armored witches in my good tartarus? it's more likely than you may think

[undone sparrow]

does the dash strike count for cursed slash
(sword)

[tranquil atlas]

i use hestia most of the time bc ending fools in traterus is too fun

[real kernel]

Speaking of which, I swear the Witches' Circle is the hardest mini-boss

[muted herald]

Yes it is

[real kernel]

Even with Athena

[tranquil atlas]

no

[undone sparrow]

thank you

[muted herald]

If only they werent immune to lava

Witch circle makes me suffer if im using fists or attack based shield

[real kernel]

What does Middle Management actually do to the Witches' Circle?

I think it does something, since there's some sort of effect on some of the projectiles

[muted herald]

O i havent tried

[real kernel]

Ah

With Middle Management active, they can also fire four shielded orbs in a cross that cannot be destroyed by attacks.

[muted herald]

Yikes

[misty turret]

oh lol that's it

[real kernel]

That's what I guessed

[muted herald]

So just run athena

[real kernel]

Athena won't affect that

[muted herald]

Is what theyre saying

[misty turret]

athena deflects shielded orbs afaik

[muted herald]

Oh it cant be deflected?

[real kernel]

Maybe I'm wrong

[muted herald]

Whats a shielded orb

Never seen one before i dont think

[misty turret]

the shielded projectiles from MM witches circle

they look like orbs to me 😔

[real kernel]

They look a bit like deflected Spreader projectiles

[muted herald]

Ah so unique to mm witches

[misty turret]

than can you at least try to kill them https://i.imgur.com/8jHGfw8.png

[real kernel]

Running Jury Summons?

[regal garden]

youre in tartarus

[misty turret]

JS and in tartarus

[regal garden]

lol

[muted herald]

Ive had a than 0 kills encounter

[tame bison]

Jeez came out of Tartarus with Rare aphro strike, epic sweet surrender, and aphro legend lol

[muted herald]

Mannnn

[misty turret]

i went 0-35 once with than before

[muted herald]

Yeah its fun

High octane tho

I was using spear

Just toss spear, kills from 10 miles away

super high octane

[keen mesa]

theory: if players start the game with Forced Overtime, but didn't know it was on, they would just think that was the normal speed of enemies.

The same is obviously true for everything else. Now, would it be a harder game from the start? Of course.

I do appreciate that they let us pick and choose how we want to make it difficult

Clearly some aspects would have been remarkably unfair for some weapons if they were on -by default-. Damage Control is way easier to deal with if you're using rail or fists or zeus shield or something.

[muted herald]

Would mean less players overall, since higher barrier of entry. I like how pact is designed, as some of it is easy to deal with, like damage control or the time limit, but some force you to rethink encounters, like Extreme Measures

[misty turret]

EM4 by default 👁️👄👁️

[keen mesa]

Definitely -- I like how it scales, because of needing to configure the heat for different heats

[twilit spoke]

any tips on beating the game for the first time?

[keen mesa]

I almost always play with Forced Overtime and EM3 now

what do you mean beating the game?

[twilit spoke]

i mean successful escape

[keen mesa]

okay

[twilit spoke]

i only started playing 4 days ago, you see

[keen mesa]

so you want tips on fighting Hades

or tips on escaping in general?

[twilit spoke]

im stuck on theseus and asterius

[keen mesa]

okay

well, theseus summons help when he gets low on health

so generally speaking, kill Asterius first

[twilit spoke]

k

[keen mesa]

because you don't want to be getting charged by Asterius while Thesus has help AND is chucking spears at you

[twilit spoke]

i see

[keen mesa]

also don't get in melee with Theseus until/unless you have to, because he hurts

he'll do a whirlwind and deflect

it's best to do backstab damage to him

he turns slowly

[twilit spoke]

ah

[keen mesa]

otherwise you'll just be banging on his shield and nothing will happen

What weapon are you using?

[twilit spoke]

aspect of talos on malphon

[solemn magnet]

than is fun

[kindred trout]

Using the Shield, especially with the Zeus aspect, is probably the easiest way to cheese bosses if you just want the win. Level 1 Zeus Aspect is fine with an Ares Zeus or Dio special. Another cheesy tactic is to get the Zeus/Athena Duo boon Smoldering Air, which makes your god gauge fill up really fast. If you have one of the calls that makes you invulnerable (Athena's/Poseidon's/Ares' Aid) you can do all your damage while invulnerable and then just dodge around until it recharges. If you have shield AND smoldering air you can just turtle behind the shield and spam calls.

[solemn magnet]

Never gotten him to 0 kills though

[keen mesa]

what does aspect of talos do, I forget

[twilit spoke]

it lets you pull enemies to you

[keen mesa]

oh

I would not use that one for your first escape

[solemn magnet]

aspect of talos is so good

it does not pull bosses

[keen mesa]

^

but you still get the bonus damage

but dodge would help you considerably more

[terse mist]

:>

[solemn magnet]

I can't really justify aspect of talos for my ||EM4|| runs because I need the extra 15 dodge from aspect of zagreus

[twilit spoke]

k

[solemn magnet]

or maybe I can justify it, I've never beaten ||EM4|| before lol

[terse mist]

ive beaten ||EM4|| with talos before

[solemn magnet]

on that note, is there a cap to dodge chance? Or can you have 100% dodge?

[terse mist]

the pull obviously isnt great but the extra dmg

[keen mesa]

It's simple logic: you'll be alive a lot longer with 15% dodge than you will with a minor amount of extra damage from your special

[terse mist]

yes

[twilit spoke]

so what weapon do you recommend for first escape?

[terse mist]

you can cheese it with zag fists + hermes keepsake + hermes boon

[solemn magnet]

@terse mist ok but which

[twilit spoke]

k

[keen mesa]

100% is possible riftborn

[daring turtle]

Apparently dodge is multiplicative rather than additive

[terse mist]

sorry i meant yes you can have 100% dodge

[daring turtle]

With 100% you still get hit sometimes

[keen mesa]

I've said it's multiplicative, but I've been told I'm wrong and it's additive

[solemn magnet]

@terse mist iirc I got 50% from mirror, 30% from call, 15% from zag fists, and not sure about % from plume but I had plume too

[terse mist]

idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[terse mist]

yeah its wild

[keen mesa]

I think it would be incredibly silly if it was additive

but people have sworn up and down to me that it's additive, that they've gotten 100% and have been untouchable

which is quite easy to do

30% from plume, 30%-40% from call, 50% from mirror (which is 2 seconds worth alone), 15% from fists, 20%-25% from hermes

that's a staggering amount of dodge

especially because plume/fists/mirror is fixed amount, whereas hermes/call is based on rarity

[solemn magnet]

30% from plume

[terse mist]

isnt it 20%?

[solemn magnet]

I struggle to stack plume over 20, because I need to git gud

plume has no cap other than number of chambers cleared

[terse mist]

or am i getting it mixed up w butterfly

oh sick

[keen mesa]

30% from plume is just 25 encounters done quickly

[solemn magnet]

i.e. you can get up to 5 stacks from temple of styx if you're good

[keen mesa]

very doable

[solemn magnet]

(does not stack in small rooms in styx)

[keen mesa]

Even if you only got 20%, you're still looking at 20+15+50 = 85%, then Epic Hermes is another 20%, that's 105%, then 30% after call, that's 135%, then 20% from Epic Hermes evasion boon, that's 155%...

if it's additive...

errr

[solemn magnet]

keep in mind you do not have mirror with 100% uptime

[keen mesa]

well, it's whenever you dodge something, and it lasts for 2 seconds

that's pretty much all the time ;-P

[solemn magnet]

flat footed your dodge is less by 50 points

granted, flat footed weakness is easier to mitigate because if you haven't dodged something within the last 2 seconds you usually have more time to read the room

oh didn't know I couldn't say that

anyway if you have had a near miss recently you may be in the middle of evading a combo or in a large number of attacks aimed right at you shall we say

[keen mesa]

well, even without Ruthless Reflex, you could still get over 100%

with 30% from Lambent Plume, 15% from fists, 25% from Heroic Greater Evasion, 52.5% from Heroic Second Wind

and if it's multiplicative instead of additive, then that same setup would give you 78% dodge

with 50% from mirror, it would be 89%

[solemn magnet]

nice math

though

[keen mesa]

I don't think the devs will answer which way it is though ;-P

[solemn magnet]

70% x 85% x 75% x 47.5% comes out to 21.2% chance to get hit on my calculator

[keen mesa]

right

[solemn magnet]

which is 79% dodge chance

[keen mesa]

78.8%

that's why I said 78 lol

[solemn magnet]

you have an extra 10% and I'm not sure where that came from

oh 50% from mirror

[keen mesa]

with mirror it's 89%

yeah

[solemn magnet]

:P I was clearly not paying attention

Thanks!

[keen mesa]

This Haelian video though...

seems to suggest it's possible for over 100%

but he's clearly taking damage

[terse mist]

how would that work

over 100% dodge chance?

[keen mesa]

but I don't know if he's taking damage because he doesn't have mirror up

or if it's because some things -cannot- be dodged?

or if it's because it's not additive

[solemn magnet]

wait

[keen mesa]

he just took 40 damage from hades whirlwind

[solemn magnet]

@keen mesa This is a VOD, right?

Mirror has a graphical cue

[keen mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLvZeleazis

[solemn magnet]

You sparkle with lightning after a near miss

[keen mesa]

I am 100% sure you can dodge the whirlwind though

He says in the video (at 34 minutes) "He actually hit me?" "He hit me again?"

so clearly it's not 100%...

Okay, he hasn't used Call either

but even Haelian admits he doesn't think that's how dodge works, says there is a diminishing return

[fallen mirage]

Are we talking about the Hades spin?

You couldn't dodge Hades spin in Nighty Night

It was bugged

[keen mesa]

oh

he's deflecting some of them

okay, another video from October, maybe this one

yeah he's not taking any damage

Well, this video from October is very, very convincing...

It's Heat 17 with EM4 and he's only lost 94 health (3 hits taken) by phase 3 of Hades

which could be chalked up to ruthless reflex and after call dodge being down

[proven osprey]

Dodge is additive if you're wondering

You can reach 100%

[keen mesa]

Yeah, that's what we've figured out ;-P

[narrow ravine]

Is it the best defensive stat to stack? I always just go with a little of whatever

[proven osprey]

The other defensive stat would be damage reduction I guess? They go well together but DR is not additive unfortunately

Besides HP ofc

[kindred whale]

does somebody know a good gun build

I havent found anything

[jagged grove]

what deadalus hammers are good for lucifer?

like out of the things it can build

[fallen mirage]

@proven osprey I'm like 80% sure Broken Resolve(?) is additive with Weak

[proven osprey]

yes it is

I meant different sources of DR

[fallen mirage]

But I assume Bronze Skin is multiplicative with that, yeah

[daring turtle]

is it possible to take 0 damage from enemies if the damage reduction is so high that they do less than 0.5 damage?

combined of course with weakness and the boon that further lowers their damage

[fallen mirage]

Not sure there's any DR that can take it that low

What all sources even are there? Weak, Bronze Skin, what else?

[honest lodge]

i need an easy build to cheese my way through the game, i have lost 28 runs in a row to theseus and i want to die lol

i use sword and spear

[daring turtle]

there's Different League

and Arthur

[proven osprey]

that should be everything yep

OH

Sturdy too

[daring turtle]

oh and myrmidon braces

that too

[tranquil atlas]

if you take 0 bc dr to less than 1/2 does it stop peiced butterflly or do you need bracers

[fallen mirage]

@honest lodge run Eris rail with Athena Dash and Zeus Attack

Will be significantly slower than running Poseidon Dash, but you'll be much safer

Aphro Special will also help

[proven osprey]

wait

Museus you actually exist here

[fallen mirage]

If you really want to use Sword, run Ares attack + Athena Special + Athena Dash +

???????????????/

We've been talking for like 5 minutes

[proven osprey]

Yeah lack of sleep

lmao

[fallen mirage]

I don't hang out here too often, since there's too many channels that move too fast, but I pop in every once in a while

[proven osprey]

I see

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/rPX2LNc.jpg

I just wish I had a different hammer...

[proven osprey]

You are mister rarity

Every screen you share is rarity

Tell us your secrets

[keen mesa]

I hide the others in shame

[proven osprey]

Oh

[keen mesa]

I use Gods' Pride and Fated Authority to reroll things I don't like 😉

then always take Ambrosia and if you have very few boons, or all epics

boom, heroic

dead 😭

dash strike just isn't my thing

I wanted flurry shot

[daring turtle]

there's no reason to ever not dash strike with bow - it's literally just a faster charging shot

[keen mesa]

yeah, I know, but I was trying to also utilize Point-Blank Shot

;-/

[proven osprey]

it does less damage

[keen mesa]

yeah, but faster

[proven osprey]

yeah

[daring turtle]

huh, never knew it did less damage

[kindred trout]

I absolutely recommend shield for any boss you get stuck on. Shield allows you to cheese you way to a very safe but slow win with bull rushes, but it also gives you a good opportunity to actually learn the boss's moves. You might find that when you can turtle up behind the shield you get less nervous and can pay more attention to the boss's moves. Once you learn the patterns you'll be able to go back and win with the sword and spear.

You can make it extra cheesy by going for the Zeus/Aphrodite duo boon (smoldering air) which causes your god gauge to charge up every 5 seconds. Alternating between blocking for a few seconds and using your call is good cheesy fun, especially if your call also makes you invulnerable.

Finally, consider unlocking the first level of the Zeus aspect for your shield. This lets you throw out a spinning disc that can damage things while you hide behind your shield. My first Hades kill came with using Zeus Shield with a Zeus Special and Aphrodite Attack which enabled me to get Smoldering Air to support my Poseidon's call with the tier 2 upgrade. I could turn into an invulnerable wave hitting for hundreds of damage for like 5 or 6 seconds and then do it again 5 seconds later. During the wait i'd throw out my spinning lightning bolt disc. Truly the trifecta of cheese.

[keen mesa]

The minimum damage is the same for attack and dash attack, but the attack does up to 60, whereas dash attack does only up to 40

power shot does 70 on normal attack, only 50 on dash attack power shot

from the wiki

Which means if you are dash attacking at a pretty consistent rate, I wouldn't think the damage would be that much less, because you aren't fully charging your shots anyway

[fallen mirage]

Dash striking is better overall, because of the faster charge time keeping you mobile and letting you land more hits on more enemies.

If you have the time, like during boss phases and enemy spawns, charging up a regular attack powershot backstab is very much the correct move

[turbid needle]

@honest lodge there is no shame in using godmode

[wispy fossil]

After party isn't doing anything while im at 9 health?

[narrow ravine]

i'm going to try this

[kindred whale]

with aspect of lucifer what keepsake do you guys go

[misty turret]

i usually take the zeus one so i can get zeus attack

after that up to you ig

[drowsy stirrup]

well i mean.. lucifer does enjoy a drink..

[daring turtle]

would lucifer work well with stacking doom?

[keen mesa]

yeah

[craggy rapids]

Arthur Artemis Aphrodite Athena could potentially do some really high damage numbers and be really defensive.

[misty turret]

in my genius i took a +300% trap damage chaos boon in asphodel

[craggy rapids]

RIP

[misty turret]

i lived

[solemn magnet]

The main time I have magma problems in asphodel is when fighting the splitters miniboss

second place is lernie

[misty turret]

i even went and fought charon this run

[solemn magnet]

bold

[wispy fossil]

Charon can be a hard fight

What would yall say are good daedalus upgrades for exagrif

[edgy steppe]

i wish fighting charon was viable in high heat, but with td3 on its far too risky

[craggy rapids]

Rocket upgrade. Always

[wispy fossil]

really?

[edgy steppe]

yeah rocket and clusterbomb is an autowin

[misty turret]

cluster rockets is nutty

[edgy steppe]

rocket + any other special hammer is an autowin really

[craggy rapids]

As far as I'm concerned, yeah. Rocket does more damage and is more immediate

[misty turret]

charon wouldn't be hard if he didn't have a 50 damage sweep that covers half the arena kek

[edgy steppe]

now, that does not mean that there are not several viable builds that make minimal use of the special

but as far as rail hammers go, the special hammers are just so much better than the attack hammers

[misty turret]

im only missing 2 duos for the 15 ambrosia fate

grr

ares/demeter and athena/zeus

[edgy steppe]

@misty turret the ares/demeter boons sucks, the the zeus/athena one is a ton of fun

if you can get that + parting shot, you are set for the run

[misty turret]

onto 14 heat w/ stygius

[edgy steppe]

(parting shot is aphfro/athena)

[misty turret]

i got a hammer and great consecration immediately

[edgy steppe]

@misty turret you might also have some luck with achilles, it works really well with casts

[misty turret]

nice

[vapid badge]

I'm pretty new but I managed this build, it was autoswing with cursed blade and stacked attack speed and attack and defelct. I face tanked the minotaur boss I never once dodged lol

[granite whale]

is the hidden aspect for exagryph any good?

[misty turret]

lucifer aspect is alright ye

[granite whale]

im wondering if i should use hestia over lucifer tho

[wispy fossil]

Will I just unlock those eventually?

I haven't completed the story yet

[kindred trout]

Unlocking weapons mostly has nothing to do with story progression, although for one of them you need to get to elysium a bunch of times.

[edgy steppe]

@wispy fossil you need to invest 5 titan blood into a weapon before you can unlock its hidden aspect

after that you just need to hit the right dialogue/story progression

[wispy fossil]

ah thanks fam

Feels so good that I got rocket and cluster when I already had 219% special damage

[kindred trout]

Note that when it comes to Lucifer specifically there's a conversation you have to have with a certain god about the exagryph itself before he will give you the unlock for Lucifer. So if you never use the rail you won't be able to unlock the hidden aspect.

[edgy steppe]

well its the same for all weapons

you have the 5 titan blood prerequisite, and then you need to have a specific dialogue or complete a specific quest, unique for each weapon, and then you can receive the dialogue that will unlock the weapon

[misty turret]

have to unlock guan yu first too

[edgy steppe]

u sure about that?

i dont have any proof that you are wrong, but i have never heard that before

[dry ember]

it's true

[misty turret]

wiki says so

[dry ember]

you need to unlock GY before other hidden aspects

[misty turret]

almost didn't greet the red shade

[edgy steppe]

i see, thx all

@misty turret dont even JOKE about that

lol

[granite whale]

how dare you

[edgy steppe]

RTA speedruns are immoral for that reason, they never thank the shade

[misty turret]

oh god i forgot i have the uhh heat thing that makes enemies resist one hit

but i forget that that applies to the rats too

[regal garden]

that thing double

is so annoying with armour

like the weaker enemies

makes them 4 hit things

[misty turret]

and i chose arthur of all the aspects to do this with

[mild raft]

DC with Arthur

Interesting maneuver

[zinc merlin]

After Artemis special and aphrodite attack, how should I build my Chiron bow

[misty turret]

lambent plume and greater consecration did so much for me in that hades fight lmao

i probably avoided like 300+ damage with just those

[wispy fossil]

So I didn't have any death defiance going in to hades

which was scarry

but im not on any heat and had rocket cluster so I didn't drop below 50% health

also 284% special damage

[misty turret]

lambent plume/battie is probably going to be my go-to now

[ripe glade]

had the hunting blades build with Stygian Soul... but had 6 casts for it.. practically had infinite blades.. sick build..

[regal garden]

how does stygian soul work

i havent leveld it too much

and i dont really get it from its text

[kindred trout]

You no longer pick up gems to reload. Instead, each gem that you spend is automatically refilled a few seconds later. Normally, you will only have 1 gem, so once you cast it you'll have to wait X seconds to cast again.

[misty turret]

22.8% dodge going into elysium lmao

[kindred trout]

If you get bonus cast gems from chaos or artemis or charon, each gem will refresh after the recharge time, so getting a second cast gem doubles your rate of fire.

[ripe glade]

@regal garden you have 1 cast.. but regenerates every 3 secs.. but you can pick up extra casts from Chaos and Artemis Legendary.. which I hit.. so basically can fire off casts indefinitely, without the need of picking up the stones..

[wispy fossil]

So minotar rush I obviously great but what's something to go with it?

[kindred trout]

Stygian Soul is good if you're mostly using your cast to stick one in each enemy for the passive bonuses, or for utility (like athena's deflect) and it's good for the casts that can't be recovered for a long time (Ares, Demeter, and arguably Dionysus) because you can have more of them out at once. It's not usually very good for the casts that deal a lot of damage and then embed, because it's faster to burst enemies down and pick them back up than to wait for a recharge.

[hidden hornet]

I like the regen more but I know the pick up versions better since it gives more burst

[turbid needle]

Stygian starts to feel pretty good when you get extra stones

Most of the time, 3 Stygian feels better than 5 infernal

also, no need to collect

[short sky]

That's true, but sometimes spamming is helpful when your Cast is actually powerful

[turbid needle]

3 stygian is definately spammy

especially if you get the hermes reduced timer boon

[misty turret]

nice https://i.imgur.com/zfk2DCh.png

[turbid needle]

on zag gloves?

[misty turret]

i prefer demeter kek

[turbid needle]

i can't get into demeter as much as I thought I would

big chonks are harder to control for me then I would think

[short sky]

That's an opportunity cost to other powerful Hermes Boons. You don't necessarily need to have a Boon for Infernal for the Cast to be powerful. But I do agree that if Cast is the primary focus, there's more potential for Stygian than Infernal

[proven osprey]

Stygian is powerful when you have more casts indeed

overall infernal is better

[misty turret]

earlier this week this game only ever wanted to give me darker thirst on the shield and now i've got an uncomfortable amount of runs without it on shield

kek

[short sky]

For my playstyle, having to pick up the Cast hasn't outweighed the ability quickly cast (at least) 3 times. And among the Hermes Boons, there are other Boons that I would choose above boosting my Cast most of the time

[turbid needle]

herme's legendary auto return for your souls is awesome

my pet peeve is when my cast crystals get stuck in areas I can't collect

once I unloaded 5 blades at Hades at the beginning of the fight, only to have him "darkness" disappear, and the casts to over shoot him into the water and chill over there, unable to be collected until the timer ran out.

[misty turret]

finally got lightning phalanx

[hidden hornet]

Honestly once you get 3 cast on stygian with faster recovery on Hermes you don't even need an attack button

[wispy fossil]

Is there "story" to do after the credits?

[proven osprey]

y

[wispy fossil]

curious

[ripe glade]

Boldy's bonus... what does the Ambiguity Bonus do?

[misty turret]

i don't think it does anything lol

[ripe glade]

says it's 2%.. lol.. must do something..

or is it just like a red herring...

[wispy fossil]

Just realized I'm in the wrong chat to be asking what I asked

[robust anchor]

ambiguity does nothing sadly

[hidden hornet]

Really? It said +4% special once for me when I gifted him nectar

[coarse moss]

makes you feel ambiguous, seems its working

[stone harbor]

it gives you a random boon out of a fairly big list

[hidden hornet]

Ah

I was using chiron so I was like, might as well ya know

It does nothing sometimes as well I think but do you have the list of boons somewhere?

[stone harbor]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Bouldy

[hidden hornet]

Thank you @stone harbor

Too bad you couldn't choose it out of 3 instead of pure rng

[past raven]

When you free Sisyphus can you still get what he normally offers from bouldy

[misty turret]

when you free sisyphus he doesn't leave

[past raven]

Oh ok

[robust anchor]

bouldy is very cute

[hidden hornet]

Actually wish the companion of bouldy had better tracking so it has some use but you basically have to target towards a moment the boss is standing still after an attack

[slim lynx]

what's the best keepsake for aspect of lucifer?

[craggy rapids]

Does Rare Crop affect all of your boons or just random one or several? Just got it from an Erebus in Asphodel

Used to think it was all, but that got called into doubt last time I used it

[cosmic sparrow]

the number of boons it affects depends on rarity, but yeah, it's not all of them

[slim lynx]

i think it only affects one and then one more for each rarity

[craggy rapids]

Oh wow yeah, it says it right there. Stupid me

Not worth it, me thinks. At least not with what I have

[cosmic sparrow]

also just got the Thorn of Thanatos/pierced butterfly achievement with basic shield + Athena attack and dash, Artemis special and cast, came online in Asphodel and got better from there

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/cM6HoEG.jpg

Entering Styx

still need double strike though

[daring turtle]

wow

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/QtnqFHa.jpg

I'm still trying to throw out specials, but it's hard when I'm just spamming Attack ;-P

[craggy rapids]

Does Blood Frenzy stack?

[frail schooner]

no

[crimson trail]

Man, just to vent for a sec: I've had back to back bow runs where I've picked a trinket and have gotten precisely one boon from said god, with the explicit purpose of trying to build a good bow

Both Artemis and Aphrodite to try and get Heart Rend or crit on special and have gotten zero 😒

I'm like, I'm trying to love you Chiron Bow/Rama, give me something to work with lol

Walking into Styx with absolutely nothing on attack or special 🙃

[craggy rapids]

I think the game progressively lowers your odds of getting Tier 1 boons as you progress. It's best to get them early, even if they are not what you originally wanted or planned. The Fated abilities can help you start off stronger though

[keen mesa]

well, I lost that run

the poison ate all my death defiances

and I only had 200+ health going into Hades, got him about 25% health in second phase before I died

God what a good build I had though

[craggy rapids]

I think Athena's deflect "revenge" can help offset poison somewhat

[keen mesa]

Athena's divine dash would have helped me...

[craggy rapids]

Same with the Broken Spear keepsake. Could be wrong.

[turbid needle]

@keen mesa what weapon were you on

[crimson trail]

That's actually something I've never been able to figure out, if invincibility negates poison. Broken spear, Athena, etc. I feel like no but I'm probably just dashing into poison?

[craggy rapids]

Well, my logic is that if you briefly become invulnerable then theoretically it should slow the poison. At least the initial tick. You are still poisoned, it just can't hurt you as quickly

I would like to know if Sure Footing reduces poison damage directly though

[keen mesa]

yes, but poison damage ramps up

the first few ticks mean nothing

[craggy rapids]

Chiron Bow with Doom Special and Dire Misfortune is so good

Chiron Bow in general is just the best weapon

[sonic crypt]

b-but crit chrion

[craggy rapids]

Nah dude. Why gamble for high damage when you can instantly stack apply 8 stacks of Doom?

Also, Meg's keepsake is really good in the Hades fight if you are chronically low on HP like I am

[sonic crypt]

that's an interesting thought tbh, I adore running doom because chaos shield is my go-to so maybe i'll try chiron with it when I can convince myself not to run shield

does merciful end break dire misfortunes or are they two separate damage things?
got the option in a run but I feared that "immediately activate Doom effects" meant that I could never actually stack doom for misfortunes

[crimson trail]

Hm, Doom doesn't stack as far as I know? So doom on special for Chiron is less effective than other boons?

Demeter or Artemis for example

[regal garden]

doom damage stacks with dire misfortune

[crimson trail]

Oh crap

[regal garden]

yeah

[sonic crypt]

you are praying on hitting exactly that of course, but it seems pretty spicy

[mighty ermine]

it doesn't necessarily stack itself; each extra application adds like around 12-14 doom damage to when it actually procs

[regal garden]

yeah

i meant as in it adds doom damage every hit

by stacking

[crimson trail]

I usually opt for something like Demeter because you'd get like, 9 stacks of chill with one attack

[sonic crypt]

Chill is nice and all, but wouldn't artemis crit just outright be the best, since demeter you're still waiting on another boon to actually make it deal damage

[regal garden]

i had deadly flourish last chiron run

[crimson trail]

I agree

[craggy rapids]

So an Epic Dire Misfortune adds 14 damage per stack. And Chiron can have up to 8 special hits, and they tend to all hit instantly or within the same window. So that is an extra 112 damage guranteed each time, for free, before anything else. And you can hit this every time on top of the special damage itself.

[crimson trail]

Artemis would be my go to since you'd have a chance of crit 9x

[craggy rapids]

Sure, but what is the odds on that? With Aspect of Zagreus and Deadly Flourish that's like what 30% per?

[mighty ermine]

yeah, deadly flourish is generally the best option for chiron in terms of how it performs right out of the box

as well as its potential with heart rend

[regal garden]

heart rend

love it

that's the aphrodite artemis boon right

[mighty ermine]

yeah

[tranquil atlas]

no thats charon

[crimson trail]

My line of logic has been: Chiron Bow + Artemis special to get a decent % chance of crit per hit

Even if it's like 15%, it attacks like 8 times so it's a good chance

[tranquil atlas]

isnt zag aspect only attack crit not special

[craggy rapids]

Oh, that's a good point

But yeah, I can see how Artemis might be better. I just really like Ares and Doom myself

[crimson trail]

I don't know how much I love stacking stuff like Doom when it's faster to kill quickly

[craggy rapids]

Just a cool status in concept

[crimson trail]

I like Doom on slower weapons I think

[mighty ermine]

yeah, dire misfortune doom chiron is a fun niche, even though it isn't optimal

[crimson trail]

Or AOE

[tranquil atlas]

chiron+ares special+doom stack+impending doom = few 100 damage

[craggy rapids]

Also, Doom isn't really a DOT like Hangover. With Chiron, and without Impending Doom, it pops pretty much instantly so its just added damage

You would not want Impending Doom on Chiron, that would only cost you time really.

[tranquil atlas]

but more stack

[slim lynx]

guan yu with quick spin is actually kinda nice 😳

[craggy rapids]

Sure, but it's less damage overall I think. If your Doom itself hits for 200 and your attack does lets say another 200, you would better off doing two attacks with instant pops rather than 2 attacks with 1 pop with only an extra 112 damage.

[tranquil atlas]

yes

[slim lynx]

dire misfortune on chiron would be nice though

[craggy rapids]

I guess it depends on how much Impending adds too

[regal garden]

i had like

over 300-400

[slim lynx]

impending doom + dire misfortune on chiron would be a lot of damage

[regal garden]

per hit of doom damage in a run earlier

[craggy rapids]

I'll try Impending + Dire on this Lucifer run and see what happens

[tranquil atlas]

thats also alot

zeus attack + jolt is also good with luicifer

[craggy rapids]

Hmm. What Hammers to take. Piercing, Triple Beam, or Infinite Ammo...

[tranquil atlas]

specifics of peirce?

[regal garden]

infinite

always fun

[slim lynx]

definitely infinite

[craggy rapids]

Attack pierces plus extra damage.

[slim lynx]

you can keep firing your laser while dashing which should be a huge help

[craggy rapids]

Inf is tempting, but tri doom is a lot of potential doom to go around

[crimson trail]

I love Exagryph but couldn't get a handle on lucifer

[tranquil atlas]

ahh it goes thru do that damage ramps pretty good

[obsidian surge]

Btw what build is good and not expensive for the first clear

[craggy rapids]

The spear has a very powerful special when taken with a high damage special boon like Aphrodite or Athena. Plus its free backstabs on the return so you can get a lot of extra damage there and possibly from Nyx keepsake too

My first clear was Fists with Doom I think

[crimson trail]

I think default fists + Hermes trinket is cheap? Lotta dodge there

[obsidian surge]

I have every weapon and put some blood in spear shield and sowrd i bleave

[craggy rapids]

Zag sword is kind of bad without max level and Cursed sword imo

[slim lynx]

fists + lambent plume is great but if you're kinda bad at avoiding hits with fists or clearing rooms quickly early on it's not exactly worth it

[craggy rapids]

And Zag fists only has good dodge chance at high level with Hermes keepsake

Spear is easy and very safe.

[crimson trail]

Yeah that's fair

[obsidian surge]

Am pretty bad at avoiding 50 milon at once

[slim lynx]

maxing the zag aspects also isn't very expensive

at least not when compared to the non-zagreus aspects

[regal garden]

yeah only 5 per aspect

[craggy rapids]

Spear throw lets you do a lot of hit and run tactics, and putting Deflect on it is really helpful against Hades too because you can win at range

[regal garden]

for zagreus aspects

[obsidian surge]

Ok so spear what boon and what keep

[slim lynx]

zag aspect on rail is also good because it gives you so much ammo

[regal garden]

yeah

works well with the spread

hamme

that makes it like a shot gun and reduces ammo

[slim lynx]

zag aspect + flurry hammer + epic swift strike 😳

[craggy rapids]

Rapid Jab, if you get it, can also apply stacks really quick. The spears are really good weapons overall. You would want Athena or Aphrodite on Special for the bonus damage, Athena Dash for defense, possibly Dionysus for attack so you can stack poison, and Cast is up to you really. You also want to try and get a call. Posieden and Ares give invulnerability, and a properly speced Artemis can basically one shot Hades

[slim lynx]

gatling gun build

ares is really meh, if you want just pure invulnerability go for athena's call

rapid jab is also great unless you're using aspect of hades

[cunning urchin]

Any Call gives i-frames upon activation.

[slim lynx]

huh, that reminds me of something from a different game lol

[obsidian surge]

@craggy rapids so i want hunter or love for special and hunter for dash and wine for dmg right

Is aethina hunter or wisdom

[slim lynx]

if dionysus is a no-show doom can be a good alternative for attack, especially if you have dire misfortune which lets you "stack" doom

[craggy rapids]

Athena is Wisdom

[regal garden]

artemis is hunter

[craggy rapids]

Artemis is Hunter and Critical Chance, which could be really good if you get the Hammer that gives 50% crit chance on the special's return trip. Otherwise you are probably better with Athena. Higher damage.

[magic glen]

How is flurry shot with hera aspect?

Bad?

[craggy rapids]

Seems irrelevant to what that Bow does really

Flurry Shot is always good on the bow, but not necessarily any more helpful to that aspect

[magic glen]

I'll still do like a billion damage right?

With the casts?

[craggy rapids]

It'll still do decent damage, sure. You won't get power shot, but that isn't directly related to the damage of your cast explosions when that hits so it isn't a huge deal.

I always try to get Flurry + Twin myself, unless I am on Chiron and then I want Concentrated Volley

[magic glen]

Yah my choices are that... Charged or piercing volley

So it's flurry or piercing

[craggy rapids]

Volley is a waste of time on anything other than Chiron IMO. Go for Flurry. The DPS is higher than power shot in the end anyway, I think

[magic glen]

And I'm in chamber 33, so almost done

[craggy rapids]

Plus you can stack poison, doom, or chill

[magic glen]

Oh ok. Cool, DOING IT

Ty

[rocky iris]

@magic glen flurry ruined me on a hera run since I couldn't control where the casts launched. Apparently that was a weird reaction only with aphro and maybe on switch though

[slim lynx]

concentrated and relentless volley on chiron seems like a nice combination actually

[rocky iris]

It's fantastic. Holds up boonless even to 20 heat

[narrow ravine]

I just can’t get over the end with a bow. Any suggestions?

[magic glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459702904400379904/796239669846081587/20210105_225141.jpg

Man i had a God build. Support fire, flurry shot, hangover volley, killing freeze

Wrong place

[magic glen]

What's killing you?

[hidden hornet]

Depends on your aspect as well, bow has a lot of different playstyles

And if your at no aspect bow is real rough

Special plays like a shotgun or a debuff applier and attack plays like sniper depending on your hammer perks

[magic glen]

Dash attacks are your friend

[vale imp]

Beowulf - Trippy Shot continues to be one of my all time favorite builds

especially with Scintillating Feast

[gusty rapids]

dio beo is SO fun

its epic

[slim lynx]

greater inferno, triple beam or flash fire

[vale imp]

personally, i like greater inferno

[slim lynx]

i have doom on my special so greater inferno could be nice

but i also thunder strike from zeus as well as being able to jolt enemies so that'd be a lot of damage going around to several enemies at once

[vale imp]

triple bean might be better then actually

wait, when you mean thunder strike, do you mean the Zeus attack?

[slim lynx]

yeah

[vale imp]

if yes, then go triple

[slim lynx]

i already chose it

[vale imp]

nice

go zap the dead

[split echo]

Any Guan Yu build suggestions?

[vale imp]

Special with Charged Skewer is the usual go to

[craggy rapids]

Use a different weapon

[split echo]

I don’t understand this special. Like I see the sparks but what does that really mean? Just extra damage? Does it hit multiple times?

[robust anchor]

it shoots the spear

does not have to return and hitbox kinda big

the sparks just look cool but gy special does more dmg than other spear specials

[split echo]

Is not returning a good thing tho, that means no backstab bonus

[robust anchor]

yes its good

[split echo]

Thanks. The most important question is, does the spark count as multiple hits?

[turbid needle]

it's piercing and has beeg hitbox

[robust anchor]

no lol

would be neat tho, it sounds like it does dmg

[slim lynx]

guan yu with quick spin is actually really nice

you can spam it to deal huge damage and also heal up

[daring turtle]

Guan Yu with quick spin, and a bunch of ares boons would be funny - spinning spears and spinning blades all over

[split echo]

Yes today I did a clear with spamming quick spin using Demeter boon. Pretty nice, deals a ton of damage and stays healthy

It’s just that I didn’t really used the special and I wonder how that works

[lusty solar]

whats the best weapon?

ive unlocked everything till the spear

till now

i have 6 keys need 2 more

[split echo]

I also found the spin charges aid quickly

[lusty solar]

for the claw thingy

ive been personally enjoying the Sword

from the beginning

[split echo]

Ummm

You probably don’t want to read anything on this channel

There will be a lot spoiler for you

[lusty solar]

ohhh

ok

[split echo]

Cuz unlocking the 6 weapons isn’t the end

[lusty solar]

ohh

[split echo]

There’s more. That’s all I can say

[lusty solar]

are there more weapons?

:O

wow

[split echo]

Yes and no. You will find out. Enjoy!

[lusty solar]

Okay :D

also i loved the

festive smoke cast

the one that sets up the hangover

so epic

i just managed to beat Magaera

[split echo]

Yea I think the festive smoke should be one of the best casts if you’re not doing any specific build

Some casts require you to be experienced or have a build around it to work

Festive smoke works out of the box

[slim lynx]

ayy i got triple bomb and greater inferno from the anvil

[heady trench]

Ok all, whats your favorite posiedon aspect build? Im getting into the aspect, as I beat my first 20 heat run with it and want to get the most of my runs.

Mainly looking for high damage builds.

[modern lichen]

Blizzard Shot is a great duo

It can deal like

1700 damage

with 3 shots

[heady trench]

I can get behind that

Especially since I usually use Artemis's cast anyways

[runic egret]

Question: I'm still trying to get initial clears for all my bosses (need Elysium+ with a lot of weapons and have only cleared with Sword). I was looking at some guides and some people say Stubborn Defiance is just straight up worse than Death Defiance. Is there any reason for that? I feel like it helps me get through runs more consistently.

[modern lichen]

Stubborn defiance is pretty bad unless you get touch of styx dark and sustain it through elysium

It's good if you don't die often but yeah it's bad if you're starting out

Just use death defiance

I didn't start using SD until I got to 5 or so heat and died a lot less

[runic egret]

that still doesn't explain to me what's bad about it

[modern lichen]

It's not as good as Death Defiance because you can't sustain long encounters with it

Like bossfights

[runic egret]

but that requires that you can save the uses of it for those long encounters right?

[robust anchor]

sd is better with the no healing pact

[modern lichen]

Yeah, because the defiance always resets after encounters so healing is sort of redundant

[drifting vale]

As ive said many times before nothing is bad
And the idea that anything is bad because something better exists is inherently flawed

[slim lynx]

yeah, and as much as i criticize it guan yu really isn't an awful aspect, it's just one of those things that need a certien upgrade to be really good even compared to the others

cough quick spin cough

[turbid needle]

I didn't find Death Defiance to be a good investment early on in view of the high cost whereas Stubborn Defiance gave me the ability to recover before entering another chamber; when starting out in Hell Mode, that is

[slim lynx]

does sigil of the dead take as long to go to max gauge as other calls or does it charge up 2x faster?

[mighty ermine]

same as other calls

[rain juniper]

is spamming attack + special with chiron bow better than power shotting?

[cloud vault]

Guan Yu isn't bad and I don't think quick spin is that good

You want the special hammers or serrated

Yes, the whole point of Chiron is to murder everything with the special

[rain juniper]

so the former is better

?

[mighty ermine]

yes

[rain juniper]

but like i feel like its weaker

since it only does 40 dmg, compared to the power shot that deals like 105 dmg

and i also have twin shot

[mighty ermine]

the special only doing 40 damage overall? what

do you have no boon for it

[rain juniper]

not yet

[cloud vault]

That's impossible unless you haven't maxed chiron

[rain juniper]

but even with the bow boon that gives +4 to special arrow shots

ah

ah yea i haven't maxed chiron

so it's better doing power shots right?

[cloud vault]

Yes

[mighty ermine]

and you do want to invest blood in chiron if you want to use it often

[cloud vault]

Chiron is no good until 4 or 5 blood

[rain juniper]

ah ayt ty

[cunning urchin]

You can still put Drunken Flourish on it with 4 or 5 arrows and use it for that.

[outer glacier]

How's good the shield as main weapon?

[rain juniper]

rly good as its the only weapon that can block

[boreal cradle]

whats a good build for aspect of achilies spear?

[echo radish]

Shield is hax

All shield aspects are hax

Dd is better than SD at low heat cause it's possible to just not die since you can heal pretty often

[trail path]

how good is aspect of beowulf?

[icy glade]

pretty good. bit tricky to learn, but it SLAPS once you get it

[rain juniper]

is it me or the heat that removes boon choices always somehow removes the best boons

[echo radish]

Is that you Misty?

[rain juniper]

((idk if you're talking to me but no?

[rancid crag]

hey guys is abyssal blood + weak status additive or multiplicative? and if so in what order

[echo radish]

Mister juaber said slaps so I thought it was Misty

It's additive padoru

All percentages are additive

[rancid crag]

so they deal like 60% less dmg from the get go

thats pretty

g00d

[rain juniper]

ah

[rancid crag]

thanks, im gonna do some dirty excalibur things

[frail schooner]

i think it’s actually not additive

so it’s 51% not 60%

[rancid crag]

uh fk

what is it at last

i mean 60% is a lot

[echo radish]

Huh, I thought all percentages in hades were additive?