#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 792

wispy fossil Jan 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

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yeah they are

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

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like the one that boosts crit damage on weak foes

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

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This is the duo boon that set me up for my 1st victory run

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:30 PM

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i had that with

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aspect of zagreus bow

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it was

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as you imagine it di dalot of damage

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:31 PM

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xD I can't post it, but it was exclusive access, with a minimum of epic

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:31 PM

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https://imgur.com/mDRqOQD.jpg

Imgur

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:31 PM

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i got like that one run

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:31 PM

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this is the kind of duo boon set up you want

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Now I just need the lightning on knock back

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:31 PM

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yeha mirage shot is fun

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Did you win that run?

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I see you have some good heat on it

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 PM

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athenas cast has really grown on me

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along with poseidons but more athenas since that was less obviously powerful to me

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:33 PM

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I'm on it right now Charlie 😉

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Oooooo word mate! You got this!

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:33 PM

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I'm not a fan of Poseidon's cast since I use fists and would rather keep enemies closer

wispy fossil Jan 3, 2021, 10:33 PM

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I love the aspect of chiron

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Fist main?

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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i like poseidons alot though its a great enemy clearer

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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I like fists, but I'm not sure which wep I'll main

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Lets goooo fists main

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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what about that fists hammer

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Shield makes life way easier, I'll say that

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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that makes your special a projectile

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that was really fun

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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I had one hammer that made my spear special a projectile

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Kinetic launcher PantyAmazed

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Yeah I use fists > rail > shield > chiron bow > spear > sword

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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I went super far on that run

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I'm not a fan of sword

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Makes me feel like goku with crush shot cast

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I use whatever weapon is giving me a bonus

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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It doesn't seem to do a ton of damage

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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And aphro special

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With aspect of demeter

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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i beat my run with that spear projecitle one

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I got clears on heat levels 0-14 with shield then moved to fists

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Shield is more noob friendly xD

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I literally cant comprehend the shield or how it works

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 PM

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spears probably my fave along with shield

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in terms of sheer fun

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with adamant rail next

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Other than that I've done 2 runs with bow and rail (won both) and a few with sword and spear to get the 15 titan blood for the minor prophesy

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I got my first clear with spear

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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and how good i am

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my first clear was with shield

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I hear rail isn't optimal without mouse

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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the run was basically me throwing the shield

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no its fine

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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But I play with controller xD

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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i use controller rail works fine

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Rail is still fun on controller

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I rarely use the spear i cleared twice with it and yet that clear was my fastest run at 17 minutes

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Ah word? I'll still try it then tbh

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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rail has really fun hammers

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thats what i like about it

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I don't like lucifer rail but it's still really powerful

grim dune Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Thanks @coarse moss & @opal lodge the run went very well! I think partly I've improved a lot as a player since I last tried beowulf but having some direction for my build helped a ton too, really appreciate the help. Here's how my build ended up (link to victory boast): #h1-victory-boasting message

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 PM

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one that turns it into a rocket launcher

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 PM

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past raven I don't like lucifer rail but it's still really powerful

Probably the only hidden aspect I can actually handle using the others are too slow

opal lodge Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 PM

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nice! looks pretty good poobah

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Rail has rly fun hammers so true

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Fists hammers are... well!

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 PM

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What theme is that lol

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Fists have 2 really good hammers

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The others are meh

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

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So true

grim dune Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

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breaching cross dusa

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I think theyre fun enough without any crazy hammers

coarse moss Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

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grim dune Thanks <@!464584399061778462> & <@!461369378315960330> the run went very well! I...

wow you crushed it!

grim dune Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

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thanks, wouldn't have without your advice 🙂

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 PM

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There's one that increases range and damage, and the other one is the one that makes dash strike to +900% damage to shields

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The range increase is huge though

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Long knuckle is nice

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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it's not 900% more damage

coarse moss Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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grim dune thanks, wouldn't have without your advice 🙂

top tier weapon amirite? 😁

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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But i love flying kick

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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it's 900% more damage to shields

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something like that

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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That what I meant

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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And the charging one ... on flying kick dusa

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 PM

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use demeter fists with flying kick or charged shot

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you'll never want anything else

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 PM

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So true ^

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I used to be a hardcore talos fiend

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And then i went demeter and never went back

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 PM

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I use talos but I might try demeter

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Tried Gilgamesh once

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never again

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Wayyyy too slow

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:41 PM

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Gilgamesh with hermes boons though ... omfg

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I be in there thrashing

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Like its scary

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I kinda miss it but not the maim damage boost enemies get

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Not worth it if I’m gonna be so up close all the time

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:42 PM

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The dodge chance on zag fists seems kinda good too

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Might try that

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Me too

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:42 PM

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yeah its fun

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i think i got

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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I have like 25 titan blood so I think I can spare 5 for that lol

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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With lambent plume just to see what happens

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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a hermes boon that boosted dodge chance

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with that last run

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i did fists

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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35% dodge chance with hermes boon would be good

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epic variation does 20% I think

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Heroic is really hard to get

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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i think it was rare so

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15 percent

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Isn't there something else that increases dodge chance too

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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and the fists were level 4

grim dune Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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coarse moss top tier weapon amirite? 😁

yeah seems really fun! I wasn't sure how charged shot would work with it, but turns out the answer is: really well.

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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I hope its worth it

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Oh yeah Hermes' keepsake

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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the keepsake

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Aim assist when casting trippy shot feels ass.

wispy fossil Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Aim assist at all feels like ass

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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My last run with the rail with trippy shot and hangover special was so agitating

wispy fossil Jan 3, 2021, 10:45 PM

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The second I turned that off the game felt 1000x times better

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:45 PM

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what are like viable

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strategies for trippy shot

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as a cast

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Ice wine dusa dusa

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:46 PM

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is auto aim the thing that changes my specials aim when i move with the adamant rail

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and annyos me

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 10:46 PM

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I'll remove it for now and see how it feels

wispy fossil Jan 3, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Its when an enemy is close so it overrides where your cursor is to target that enemy instead

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:47 PM

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i might try and do a rocket run

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next adamant rail run

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havent beat it with one

grim dune Jan 3, 2021, 10:48 PM

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past raven What theme is that lol

sorry took me a min to check the name, it's Infinite

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Rail and fists with Zeus attack and covering fire are overpowered

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:50 PM

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am i right in thinking

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spread fire turns the rail into

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like a shotgun

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with its main attack

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:51 PM

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No way world splitter is this good

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 10:51 PM

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I hate world splitter

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:51 PM

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regal garden like a shotgun

So true

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:51 PM

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keen mesa I hate world splitter

I have athena boons up the wazoo on it

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Im one shotting these exalted

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Can u get world splitter with flurry shot

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Flurry slash*

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:53 PM

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dont think so

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from my knowledge of them

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flurry slash is the one that allows you to rapidly press attack

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right

tame bison Jan 3, 2021, 10:54 PM

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The damage is very high but the hit box on splitter is poop.

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But if you could get used to it

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Maybe worthwhile

coarse moss Jan 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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world splitter, more like fast-arthur 😆

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get hermes speed on it

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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For reference right now i have doom special and a duo boon that gives me crit chance when i deflect, and also merciful end

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On top of athena attack

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The hit box is a little annoying but everything else makes up for it

kindred whale Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 PM

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for the aspect of hera
what is the most fun casty
cast to use

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Oooooh i know this

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True shot just feels right but loading that bad boy up with three crush shots...

kindred whale Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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so aphrodite?

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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In my opinion

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Yeah

kindred whale Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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okay il try it

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is it good tho?

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should I take the keepsake of aphrodite

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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I think its fun. Havent done it in a while

kindred whale Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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to get it early?

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Yeah

kindred whale Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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k perfect ty

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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i tried the

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uh upgrade that makes aprhodites cast have more range

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it improves it alot for me

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Dont need to worry too much about getting aphro attack at that point unless you want

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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because my main reason why i dont often stick with the aphrodite cast is because

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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regal garden uh upgrade that makes aprhodites cast have more range

So true! That with hera bow sounds nuts

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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its so short range

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doesn't relaly give me the space to throw it from far away so i can deal extra dmaage

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what does hera bow do

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 11:00 PM

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U can load ur casts up to fire off in the next shot

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U can load all of them or just one

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It gets nuts with the different boons

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I think my first clear was with hera bow actually

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I think my first clear was with hera bow actually

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Hermes keepsake is really good

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I have it at level one and it’s already given me +10% dodge chance

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Someone said earlier if ur rushing through encounters quickly anyway then its good to have

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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And I’m not even out of tartarus

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Combine that with 15% dodge chance on zag fists

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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i should try that then

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the keepsake

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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And hopefully 20% dodge chance from a boon

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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i havent really used many keepsakes outside of boon ones

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and the tooth

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:04 PM

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I usually use the coin purse for Tartarus, a god for Asphodel, and acorn for the last 2

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 11:04 PM

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i use like

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boons of some sort for the first 3

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then switch to lucky tooth for backup in styx

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i havent needed the tooth much now but

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it helps me to know that its there

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Lol I love Alecto’s comments when you summon Thanatos during her fight

proven osprey Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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god > god > acorn > acorn is pretty good

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I go pom blossom -> pom blossom -> pom blossom -> pom blossom

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I fallen into the habit of

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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sometimes I'll start with a god though, if I'm feeling it

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Well yeah that to

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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sometimes I'll use sigil of dead though too

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Im getting a lot of usage out of the shackle though

keen mesa Jan 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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I don't mind using plume if I'm using dodge fists though

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Especially on arthur

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My favorite thing to do is summon than when fighting theseus and hes like “I’m not afraid of death!” And dies

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Guess who just got to 50% dodge chance in asphodel

frosty crane Jan 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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That's sexy

agile plover Jan 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Okay. Certainly not a fan of trippy shot

real kernel Jan 3, 2021, 11:24 PM

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What happens to my Cast if I purge Flood Shot while having Curse of Drowning?

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A careful reading suggest Curse of Drowning would have no effect. Is that the case?

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Screw it, I'm just going to save-scum this

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Can confirm, purging Flood Shot basically disables Curse of Drowning

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Theseus: “I shall not lose to you again!”
Instantly dies

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 11:28 PM

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theseus:

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"try and dodge this!"

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spins into a pillar and complete misses zagreus

daring turtle Jan 3, 2021, 11:28 PM

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"a solid hit!"
*I had dodged his hit

wispy fossil Jan 3, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Also accurate and equally hilarious

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 11:29 PM

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that did specifically happent o be clear

past raven Jan 3, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Going into hades fight with 60% dodge chance

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This is so broken lmao

regal garden Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 PM

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you have

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boons right that boost dodge

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you got the keepsak

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boon and fists

proven osprey Jan 3, 2021, 11:40 PM

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You can reach high dodge with Zagphon, lambent plume and Second wind from Hermes

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You could also run ruthless reflex, which is tough. Would be better on gilgamesh

short vapor Jan 3, 2021, 11:40 PM

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Using gilgamesh with literally two boons and I’m thrashing

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Omg

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Got more kills than than

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Feels good

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He actually got 0

frosty crane Jan 3, 2021, 11:51 PM

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Has anyone fought Asterius while using Shady, summoned Sisyphus and had the bull get occasionally stuck behind the drops? lol

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Just happened to me

dry ember Jan 3, 2021, 11:56 PM

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yup

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it can happen with the weird hit box

frosty crane Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 PM

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Turns out that the minotaur can be stopped by a pile of money

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:00 AM

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everyone is weak to gold

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:00 AM

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So what's the general theory of setting up a good enough run? Stick to 2-3 gods so that you get better boons as you revisit them?

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:02 AM

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It depends on the aspect but usually you want to meet your main god several time. Most builds could use a duo so you need to fill the prerequisites too

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:06 AM

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@proven osprey just tried some of the guan yu build you suggested earlier

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Works like a charm

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Not the fastest

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But fairly strong

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:06 AM

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Oh, nice!

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I gave you the short version

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I've been playing GY for almost 300 hours, there are a lot of options

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GY can be fast tho, it just takes practice with your combo. Really deep aspect, a lot to learn

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:11 AM

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Yeah i noticed

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I saw the one hammee upgrade of

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Shorter dash but dash strike hits thrice?

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Or smtj

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And was like

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Ah why not

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And it indeed got me killed

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But its fun

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Yeah I assumed it would

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Serrated point

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It's the best hammer to go fast on GY but it comes with a price

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Yep

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Tho tbh the 1.5k damage on the spear throw itself

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Is neat too

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Just not that fast cuz

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Yknow

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Charge it

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Apply weak

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:28 AM

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i need some help, i’m still working on my first hades completion, and i’ve lost four runs in a row to ||theseus||

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:28 AM

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It's a big step, that boss

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Go for Asterius first, hide behind pillars for Theseus spear throws

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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i get to him fairly consistently, but i tend to lose my ||final keepsake life|| to ||bone hydra|| before i get there, and take a lot of damage in ||elysium||

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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always keep an eye on both

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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sorry for spoiler tagging everything i’m not sure what’s considered a spoil or not

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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Spoiler free zone btw

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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Also there are spoilers allowed here i think, just a lil heads up

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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ah thank

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Fkfkkfkskkskf

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Ran out of time on my lambent plume and me and zag said “damn” at the same time

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Obviously extra dashes and health will help you a lot too @honest lodge

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And defiances

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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We were cutting it close

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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yeah i usually run with spear but i can’t get a consistent build going, even when i’m confident i tend to pop lucky tooth early and die to theseus eventually

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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What god goes really well with shield?

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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i have stubborn defiance and all health upgrades as well

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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honest lodge yeah i usually run with spear but i can’t get a consistent build going, even whe...

You could try switching it up

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And rather than going for a build

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Try the reverse

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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i have the double dash too

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Get the best boon each time

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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athena’s dash saves my ass a lot but i’ve only ever got athena twice in 18 runs

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Athenas dash is really good

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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you can bring god keepsake for first two regions

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Agreed on what Larsson said, emma

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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force a "core build" of two gods

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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honest lodge athena’s dash saves my ass a lot but i’ve only ever got athena twice in 18 runs

Thats some really poor luck

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Maybe use her keepsake

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Youll be fine for tartarus anyways it seems like

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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When I defeated Redacted I wasn't going for any build specifically, but I did get extremely lucky on one

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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without keepsakes im always flooded with zeus and poseidon

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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honest lodge athena’s dash saves my ass a lot but i’ve only ever got athena twice in 18 runs

Pick your main god in tartarus, then Athena for asphodel if you don't have her yet

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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Odd

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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For Elysium : Acorn, skelly tooth are good options

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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theseus moveset is pretty simple r u struggling in his first phase or second phase?

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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Theseus can be annoying and quick

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Theseus is annoying if you're not aware of his moving sweep at all times

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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I literally have never used acorn

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Is it good

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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But its a fairly simple 3 move set

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Havent touched it

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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short vapor Is it good

Free 200 hp vs hades

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I prefer tooth but

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Hmmmmm

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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he wont use moving sweep if you stay far away from him

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Acorn is nice

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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His wide sweep covers a ton of distance, and it's easy to get caught sleeping

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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ares and artemis seem to be second most common, and hermes and dionysus seem to be rare, and athena almost never

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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I get athena and artemis all the time

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I dont get the issue with athena

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Odd

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Depending on your build you can't stay too far though, so you gotta bait the move and double dash out

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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short vapor Is it good

5 hits is a lot of hp

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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wispy mulch I prefer tooth but

tooth is meh if you have 3 DD

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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agile plover His wide sweep covers a ton of distance, and it's easy to get caught sleeping

For his swipe, or any swipe, i suggest dodging forward and past it, since they tend to move towards you too when they swipe

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Or at least dont dash backwards

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:36 AM

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i just can never get a consistently good build going, the game throws something unpredictable at me, and i’m slowly whittled away until i don’t have enough health to tank through the theseus fight. frustrated bc i haven’t been stuck on any of the other bosses as much

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:36 AM

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sonic mural tooth is meh if you have 3 DD

Tooth saved my ass a lot despite 3 DDs

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And for a beginner 3 DD isnt guaranteed anyways

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:36 AM

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wispy mulch Tooth saved my ass a lot despite 3 DDs

tooth = 100 health, collar = 125 health (min)

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:36 AM

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God > god > acorn > acorn should fix your build issues @honest lodge

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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Fair

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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acorn?

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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Eurydice keepsake

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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Blocks the first few hits on each boss

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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3 to 5

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according to the level

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:38 AM

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i kinda rely on tooth to make it far haha

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that combined with stubborn defiance

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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Oh

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Hm

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You should use death defiance

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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if theyre dying in regular rooms maybe not

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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Maybe

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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You'd either be playing insanely high heat, or you're bad

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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You'll get better eventually and the fact that healing exists makes DD better at low heat

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DD is better for bosses

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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Yeah

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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And rooms should not be too much trouble with a bit of practice

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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agile plover You'd either be playing insanely high heat, or you're bad

or you're new...

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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You seem stuck on lernie and theseus

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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Yes. Or you're new xD

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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So going for DD is likely better

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And getting stabbed to death in elysium is part for the course

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:41 AM

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I managed to get a full completion because of exclusive access being insanely broken with an epic minimum

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:41 AM

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You'll need your DDs for final boss anyway

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:41 AM

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Yeah

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Perfecting everything up until styx is gonna be kinda required imo anyways if youre stuck on hades

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Just brute force it with health i guess

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:42 AM

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ah okay. i feel really unwelcome in ‘git gud’-esque communities so i might go anyway

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:42 AM

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If you're dying a ton, go for defensive boons

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:42 AM

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You don't have to perfect. Take centaur's hearts, buy healing and fountains will help a lot

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Yeah i know the feeling

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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@honest lodge Some things will come with practice really

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Though do know that dying is part of the process, i dont mean that in a git gud kinda way

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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i know that’s the basis of the game

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Well yes and no

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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The thing about SD is that it might give you bad habits imo

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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Getting better is

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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but theseus just feels like a wall of a damage sponge lol

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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I certainly can't talk shit about getting good. I have 1 completion with 20 runs total

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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You're running spear right

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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mb mb.

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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it comes down to me not being able to outlast him

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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It's a very tough weapon to learn

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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agile plover I certainly can't talk shit about getting good. I have 1 completion with 20 runs...

thats on average low side tho

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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yeah, i am. the other weapons don’t feel right

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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agile plover I certainly can't talk shit about getting good. I have 1 completion with 20 runs...

First time for me slapping hades was run 20 so

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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Ranged weapons are easier, if you just want to clear

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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I getcha

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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proven osprey Ranged weapons are easier, if you just want to clear

Bow is very easy to pick up and mess stuff up with

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Imo at least

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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Zag bow is really nice since its buff

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it was ok

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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just get used to dash strike with the bow

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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The homing arrows are neat tho

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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because it charges faster after a dash

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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But now it's a very solid option for beginners

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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keen mesa because it charges faster after a dash

Also just simply keeps you moving and at a distance

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Which is what you want

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 AM

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Spear is what I cleared with, though my build had me practically invincible so it didn't matter what wep I used

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Lol

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Fair

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Mine was still tense

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But i managed

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Towards the end it was for me. I wasn't expecting the 2nd phase lol.

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Lol

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I feel happier about how i handled hades rather than how i managed to get the first dubsky on run 20

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Cuz my hades kill was after only 2-3 encounters with the boss

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Elysium is what got me at least half of the failed runs

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Lol

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Still does actually

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Elysium or hades himself

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Elysium's the hardest by far imo

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Like

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Theseus and asterius aint too bad

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Elysium itself gets me sometimes

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 12:48 AM

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I died on Elysium on my previous run. I GOT STABBED BY THE TRAP. 😐

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ffs.

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:48 AM

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Imo its often the check up to see wether your build will hold up or not

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And how fast itll be, if it does hold up

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But that may just be me

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 12:49 AM

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Took me a while to realize that you can dodge thru the pillars in the heroes arena

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:49 AM

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agile plover I died on Elysium on my previous run. I GOT STABBED BY THE TRAP. 😐

Aw

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:49 AM

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barren maple Took me a while to realize that you can dodge thru the pillars in the heroes are...

Also gaps and walls fyi

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 12:49 AM

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I've got it now, but damn not knowing that made it pretty hard to deal with

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Athena deflects always help me in that boss fight

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:50 AM

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Athena is the 👌

wispy mulch Jan 4, 2021, 12:50 AM

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barren maple I've got it now, but damn not knowing that made it pretty hard to deal with

Understandably soo

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So

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Walls are always your friend in roguelikes

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Unless they stab you back

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But ok

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 12:52 AM

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I need to get some build sorted for the bow, which is the weapon I perform the least with

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Theseus with demeter on his side ain't fun with a bow

frail schooner Jan 4, 2021, 12:53 AM

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do you have ||summons|| yet?

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 12:54 AM

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Only ||skelly||

frail schooner Jan 4, 2021, 12:56 AM

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oh well when you get the damaging ones you can use it to just skip the god call phase

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 12:56 AM

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📝

frail schooner Jan 4, 2021, 12:59 AM

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or most of it, he has more hp in that phase in the base fight than in em3

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:01 AM

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A dps call paired with it should do it

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I like to save it for Theseus if my build is crap

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 1:03 AM

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What's the most useful call you find using the most

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I've found myself getting hurt a lot trying to put to use calls that requires you being close to the enemy like Zeus one

crimson mango Jan 4, 2021, 1:04 AM

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Poseidon and Dionysus

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:04 AM

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I really like Poseidon's

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Good damage + invul for the duration

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 1:06 AM

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Two of my fav lads cuz of the duo

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:06 AM

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ehhhh with a good build you can do more damage w/ athena call

crimson mango Jan 4, 2021, 1:07 AM

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Poseidon gives amazing boons in general

scenic oracle Jan 4, 2021, 1:07 AM

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Yea like 20% for a fish KEKW

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:08 AM

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scenic oracle Yea like 20% for a fish <:KEKW:638774637525860382>

shadeohboy that boon is so op - the secret behind it is that it annoys hades with a fish, leading to a 100% stats reduction for him

scenic oracle Jan 4, 2021, 1:08 AM

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zagluv

crimson mango Jan 4, 2021, 1:08 AM

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I got that at the start of 1 of my runs lol

vital bay Jan 4, 2021, 1:09 AM

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when you get Athena boon first one
but its not divine dash
how could this happen to me

crimson mango Jan 4, 2021, 1:09 AM

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And then promptly forgot abt it

barren maple Jan 4, 2021, 1:09 AM

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I had a dialog with Hades where he said a fish was taunting him

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So fishing is the real deal

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:09 AM

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For dps Zeus/Dio are the top ones, Dio being really good since it works alone while Zeus would use jolted. Then poseidon, a lot of damage too + impervious state. Aphrodite is awesome burst too

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 1:12 AM

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https://imgur.com/h0qeK8T.jpg

Imgur

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goodness I thought the fight would never end

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:13 AM

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keen mesa https://imgur.com/h0qeK8T.jpg

How did that run earlier go

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 1:13 AM

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lost vs hades lol

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:16 AM

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Sad face D:<

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gg tho

scenic oracle Jan 4, 2021, 1:17 AM

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57 enemies wtf?

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 1:18 AM

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I am playing with Jury Summons 3 -- 60%

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:18 AM

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I got a 54-0 too

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never ending enemies

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:23 AM

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jury summons on 20 heat shadefear

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 1:23 AM

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keen mesa https://imgur.com/h0qeK8T.jpg

what the hell

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/795462599684390932/unknown.png

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Ferocious guard vs breaching rush? 🤔

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Breaching Rush is definitely going to make Elysium easier

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But the 20% damage and movespeed buff for 10 secs after blocking isn't bad

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:26 AM

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I'd say Ferocius

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Word

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:26 AM

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what's the aspect tho

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Zag

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Yeah so you bash a lot, not bullrushing

kindred trout Jan 4, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Ferocious is awesome for zeus/dio/ares builds, breaching rush is preferable for % weapon damage builds, IMO

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:27 AM

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i dont think you really use bull rush on shields really unless its beowulf

ruby fiber Jan 4, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Does anyone know if igneus eden special is supposed to block aphrodite call projectile or is it a bug?

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Good to know I've been using zag shield wrong XD

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:28 AM

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idk zag shield tho

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Bullrush is awesome tho

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:28 AM

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zeus, chaos - definitely not

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its just for safety

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Beo would use it ofc, but Zeus yeah

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Since you can Special bullrush recall etc

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:28 AM

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well yah but do you really build around bull rush?

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:28 AM

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no you don't

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it's just an amazing def tools that grants iframes for the whole thing

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 1:29 AM

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True true

wispy fossil Jan 4, 2021, 1:34 AM

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What's a good build for the bow?

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:34 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429651832374165512/795465246348410900/Screen_Shot_2021-01-01_at_7.20.08_PM.png

wispy fossil Jan 4, 2021, 1:35 AM

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thanks

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:35 AM

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if u have any questions about the guide lmk im still working on it

wispy fossil Jan 4, 2021, 1:36 AM

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what're the names of the skills at the bottom?

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:36 AM

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heartrend (green/pink), low tolerance

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hm i'll update it to text

wispy fossil Jan 4, 2021, 1:36 AM

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thanks

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:49 AM

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See when I do a run with the bow, and say I'm trying to get Heart Rend, should I keep picking up boons from other Olympians or just go for only Aphrodite and Artemis?

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:50 AM

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if you havent gotten heartrend yet, you always go for aphro/artemis

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Because I have finished runs a few times now and each time I've just got good builds by chance, but now that I'm trying to go for specific builds I'm not sure how to guarantee more often that I'll get the ones recommended in the build guides

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:50 AM

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even if you dont get it, you can still get great boons such as pressure point, support fire, etc

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some good ways to guarantee is 2 god keepsakes, gods legacy, ariadne, eurydice, fated persuasion

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Okay, and if I get a door with a different olympian or say a centaur heart, should I skip the other olympian door?
Sure I'll look that up

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:52 AM

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id go the olympian if its useful to your build or survivability

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for example, if you see poseidon/athena boon on bow, i'd go that for a solid dash; or dionysus, i'd go that for healing

if i saw ares, i'd skip

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if i have low health / not enough total hp, i'd go heart tho

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Okay I think I get it

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Cause sometimes I'll use the keepsake to meet one out the gods at the start, but then I won't meet the other one until the end of my run

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:54 AM

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well you go one keepsake in tart, the other in asph

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Not sure if just bad luck or if there was a better way to guarantee it

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OH

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you can swap each area I forgot

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that makes more sense aha

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I was wondering how people did it

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:55 AM

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haha yah usual keepsake progression is god -> god -> purse -> acorn

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Okay good to know
Also if I get chaos before a god I want, should I prioritise the god yeah?

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Like if it appears but the next door is a god i want

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:56 AM

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yah the main thing is to create your core build as fast as possible

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at higher difficulties, there is a timer so taking chaos may be advantageous - but it doesnt apply for a while

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:57 AM

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yeah I'm not too bothered about that yet haha

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Just trying to get into builds

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now that I'm doing harder runs or runs with weapons I've never used

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 1:58 AM

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hm if you want i can send you my build guide - im posting the full thing on reddit tmr after a few finishing touches

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 1:59 AM

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yeah that'd be amazing cause there isn't actually a lot online from what I can tell

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First run I beat the game with was Coronacht, the hera form

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and the build you posted seems like there isn't anything very specific to make that good

river rampart Jan 4, 2021, 2:00 AM

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There's a lot of builds for specific purposes or specific playstyles but there's almost non for general stuff

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Unfortunately

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 2:00 AM

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so I'm guessing it's an easy one to work with

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 2:01 AM

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yah the only "core" thing about hera bow is the aphro cast

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since not many boons affect the damage of a cast - attack doesnt either

silk knot Jan 4, 2021, 2:02 AM

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atm I'm just experimenting with the different boons still because there are a lot I've never tried, but I think it'll be useful when I turn up the heat for my runs to know what to look for

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 2:03 AM

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👍 makes sense #1 thing about this game is to always have fun

wispy fossil Jan 4, 2021, 2:10 AM

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Glad I saw this because I'm having super not fun times trying to run bow with no heat

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 2:13 AM

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Play whatever is fun to you

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helps getting good too

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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Unbelievably sad

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Had Hades down to his final phase and 1/3rd health

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I foolishly got caught by the green bottle that holds onto you

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I did not expect 50+ damage there

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Ruined my fight q_q

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 2:37 AM

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ah, classic 🏺 death

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happens to us all

solemn magnet Jan 4, 2021, 2:38 AM

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I've been playing a variable dodge build with twin fists aspect of zagreus to try to beat the final boss on extremer measures

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I never sat down to figure out exactly how much dodge chance I have but it's a lot

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15% from the fists, about 20% from the lambent plume (only not higher because I need to git gud), 50% usually from the dash thing on the mirror, and then around 30% from spamming call

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twice now I've reliably gotten the "gain dodge chance when you use call" boon, which is nice, only wish I could get the flat dodge from hermes boon that reliably

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my only regret is my damage with the twin fists varies wildly depending on whether I can find a good boon for my attack

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I'm not really sure which boons are best for it, the first run I got doom (non stacking despite my best efforts) and the second run I couldn't find anything except zeus' attack boon (normal rarity, which kinda hurt emotionally)

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I prefer to dash through the urns and trigger them that way (can't do it with aphrodite's dash though) so that I have a brief window of dash invulnerability when the hands come out and/or I can just dash away afterwards

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Zeus attack is very good on fists especially for tpose dodge build

solemn magnet Jan 4, 2021, 2:44 AM

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the second run was just insulting

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I had trippy shot which I hate and no boon on my special

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Trippy Shot isn't ideal

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I had it on that run as well.

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But it was okay for what it needed to do. I had a 20% damage buff from blocking, and another 20% from using my special, which made Trippy do significant enough damage

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Since it was epic, and level 3

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:03 AM

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mighty ermine ah, classic 🏺 death

urn emote coming soon

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:03 AM

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we need this, it would be used so much

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 3:04 AM

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^ ^ ^

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:07 AM

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aight i'll make it sometime today and get it submitted lmao

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you'll have it before your sub expires you have my word zaglol

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Is Jolt any good? Or is it gimmicky

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It sounds like it is when going by the description

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Its good

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Has to be rare+ tho

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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I have 3x epic from zeus

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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jolted is super good

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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static discharge, electric shot, and clouded judgement

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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jolted is how you kill bosses with zeus

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Word? 🤔

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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just make sure you have something to apply it constantly

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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It's on my dash actually

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Which is good enough. Okay then. I'll try it out

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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yeah that should be fine

coarse moss Jan 4, 2021, 3:12 AM

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jolt is like...adding Doom to your lightning. and double strike is like adding crit to them 😆 uncle zeus is awesome

river rampart Jan 4, 2021, 3:15 AM

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got rocket bomb with cluster bomb

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everything died

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 3:17 AM

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yup

forest marsh Jan 4, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Mmmm, that's the dream

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 3:17 AM

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it's a powerful combo

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 3:20 AM

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Bad news for anyone who hasnt tried hera bow with blizzard shot yet

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Its total ass PantyYuck

solemn magnet Jan 4, 2021, 3:20 AM

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ass bad?

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 3:21 AM

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Not ridiculously bad

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But I don’t like it

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At all

open matrix Jan 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Tidal dash or boiling point against Endboss ?

rocky iris Jan 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Tidal dash if you have wave pounding I guess otherwise it doesn't really matter imo

river rampart Jan 4, 2021, 3:28 AM

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huh i dont know why but i didnt expect special boons to affect rama's "shared damage" on special

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because it does a LOT with an atk boon

coarse moss Jan 4, 2021, 3:29 AM

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get double shot hammer

short vapor Jan 4, 2021, 3:30 AM

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So true

coarse moss Jan 4, 2021, 3:32 AM

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double shot hammer + perfect shot hammer, easily do 1000 each attack

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:37 AM

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i might have to give up on this game. i’m not a very talented player and i’m hitting a wall that all the fun of the story and characters is being sucked out of me

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it takes ages to get back to theseus, and then i just lose to him again. half my attempts ended by him

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i guess i’m just not good enough for a game like this

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:38 AM

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have you considered using god mode

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:38 AM

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have you tried turning on god mode? it's made for situations like these

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:39 AM

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i really, really don’t want to use it. i feel like being a damage sponge takes too much away from the experience

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:40 AM

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https://imgur.com/BgqpzDT.jpg

Imgur

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o.O

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:40 AM

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is there a particular weapon or aspect you especially like? we can give you some build ideas to make your attempts a little easier if you like

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:40 AM

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i use spear

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i got basically my ideal build in my mind last run and got three full health bars blasted away almost immediately by the theseus fight

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with the athena reflect and damage reduction

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and i was doing artemis crit and dionysus hangover to them

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:42 AM

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divine dash is pretty huge in terms of survivability, yeah

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spear is also not the easiest weapon to use, overall, i'd say

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is there a particular part of the fight that gives you trouble?

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or is it just kind of everything

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:44 AM

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they do too much damage. i usually isolate minotaur and kill him first, but theseus snipes chunk my health bar like crazy, even when i hide behind pillars

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they also just soak up damage, their health bars are so, so, so much higher than any other enemy

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and there’s two lmao

daring turtle Jan 4, 2021, 3:45 AM

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yeah they both have around 10000 health from what I can see

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unless you have incredible damage it takes a while to take them down

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:46 AM

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you're on the right track with focusing down asterius first

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:46 AM

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I just took them down in 30 seconds, not extreme though

coarse moss Jan 4, 2021, 3:46 AM

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it's quite hard to keep track on what two enemies are doing at the same time, yup

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:46 AM

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but my set up is insane

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and they take an absolutely massive amount of damage

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:47 AM

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the main idea is keeping your focus on asterius while you prioritize taking him down, and keeping an eye on theseus' spear throws either with the audio or visual cue

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which, you probably already know anyway

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it can just take practice

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:48 AM

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https://imgur.com/uCNbBL2.jpg

Imgur

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this is my main attack set up

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:48 AM

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yeah i’ve done that

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i’ve just lost 15 attempts in a row to theseus

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:48 AM

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I try to NOT isolate them

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because I want to hit both of them

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Do you have any summons unlocked Emma?

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:48 AM

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for someone learning the fight, you do want to isolate them

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but yes, once you're used to it, you can tackle both at once

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:48 AM

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This is what I opened with:

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https://imgur.com/4f2rQmb.jpg

Imgur

icy glade Jan 4, 2021, 3:49 AM

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as for builds, if you're having trouble with their damage, aphro on attack or special can be good. it has strong dmg scaling and it applies weak, making your hp effectively higher

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Mort -> 3500 damage on each, immediately

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because if you don't do it immediately, they'll split up

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:49 AM

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summons?

coarse moss Jan 4, 2021, 3:49 AM

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it's better to isolate so you can see what theyre doing, to avoid getting hit

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Well, never mind the summons then

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after that I threw out 3 trippy fog

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to hit both of them

young echo Jan 4, 2021, 3:49 AM

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wtf is a companion mort btw lmfao

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:50 AM

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Bow pierces by default, the main attack does

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so if you can line them up, you'll hit both of them

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:50 AM

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idk. i’m just really dejected about the wall i’ve hit at this point. if this is how hard the third boss is i don’t really have any hope of beating the game. i might have to give up

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:50 AM

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base spear without certain hammer upgrades can have it rough damage-wise, which would definitely echo your concern about the sheer amount of health

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:50 AM

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Asterius will do HUGE damage to you if he rams you

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:50 AM

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i appreciate all of the advice, i feel like i’ve tried a lot of these things tho

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:50 AM

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For what it's worth, I hate spear.

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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the truth might just be that i’m bad at video games and this game wasn’t made for me lol

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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i'd suggest maybe trying out other weapons and seeing how they fare for you, unlocking other aspects, etc.

keen mesa Jan 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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you can always turn on god mode and just have a good time 😉

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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everything other than spear doesn’t feel intuitive for me

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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Yah no shame in turning on god mode

young echo Jan 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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is it just theseus alone?

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 3:51 AM

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she really doesn't want to do that, though

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:52 AM

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i feel like i’m bad enough it wouldn’t make a difference lol

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Hooooly. I just ran into tiny vermin for the first time. Bruh.

icy glade Jan 4, 2021, 3:54 AM

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honest lodge i feel like i’m bad enough it wouldn’t make a difference lol

you would be surprised with that. but yeah, god mode or not, maybe just take a short break and come back to it later squirtyay

green trout Jan 4, 2021, 3:55 AM

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No trust me god mode does help. It has carried me so hard

tame bison Jan 4, 2021, 3:55 AM

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Selling side hustle to underworld customs after getting gold off it is so nice

young echo Jan 4, 2021, 3:55 AM

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if you want a good enough strat for theseus I always just bait him to throw his spear

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:57 AM

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maybe i retrain my brain with a different weapon but they all don’t feel right to me other than spear lol

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:57 AM

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you dont have to interact with theseus

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play pillars vs him and LOS his throws

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while you fight asterius

honest lodge Jan 4, 2021, 3:58 AM

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speedrunners find a wall clip to skip theseus pls lol

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sorry, i’m clogging chat. i’ll go

coarse moss Jan 4, 2021, 3:58 AM

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yeah, take a break and try again later

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 4:00 AM

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honest lodge sorry, i’m clogging chat. i’ll go

for what its worth T&A was the worst fight for me when i first started and took me a solid double digit number of tries

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everything after that felt like it got easier

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:08 AM

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yeah non EM hades is way easier than Theseus and Asterius, even for newer players

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 4:10 AM

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1st phase hades is easier for sure

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I'd put 2nd phase on a similar level of difficulty

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:12 AM

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I personally feel 2nd phase is easier

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1st phase armored summon can be annoying

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if you get unlucky with spawns

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like crystals or chariots

tame bison Jan 4, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Yeah 2nd phase easier imo

gusty rapids Jan 4, 2021, 4:14 AM

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2nd phase is only harder for me when heightened security is on

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and i have to actually be scared of pots

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otherwise 1st phase is more annoying with more impervious stages, stealths, and summons

regal garden Jan 4, 2021, 4:15 AM

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tbh i find 2nd phase easier

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cause there's no minions

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:15 AM

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EM4 HS pots go

regal garden Jan 4, 2021, 4:15 AM

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i know it sounds weird

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:15 AM

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anybody know the most fun build with aspect of arthur

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^

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:15 AM

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arthur works on pretty much anythiing

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maybe not poseidon

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:16 AM

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but the most fun

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:16 AM

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arty, aphro are all good

tame bison Jan 4, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Lightning Rod duo plus Splitting bolt on Hestia haha. So good.

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:16 AM

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try aphro ares, aim for curse of longing

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or aphro arty for the biggest crits

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:22 AM

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wait ares is for attack and aphro is for what

tame bison Jan 4, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Should I try Talos fist with epic Demeter cast

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 4:22 AM

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heartrend = 5k hits with arty attack, aphro special/dash

tame bison Jan 4, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Or just ignore it bc it’s bad lol

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Ares is not for attack. Ares is for special

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Do not put ares on your Arthur attack

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:24 AM

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arty attack, ares on special just as duo bait

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main source of damage for arthur is always attack

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:26 AM

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ok ty

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should I rush arty

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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keepsake arty tart imo

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get your core ready

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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tart?

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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start with arty keepsake

rare kindle Jan 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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I try not forcing a build for Beowulf shield for once and I get sucked into festive fog again

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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get attack boon asap

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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k

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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you can basically clear the game with just that

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:28 AM

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its that good

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I just took it because it looks sick

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when you special and attack

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:28 AM

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I mean 600 crit is no joke

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:28 AM

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oh

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yeah

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 4:28 AM

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700 actually

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with a blue attack boon

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and that's out of the gate from the very first room

kindred whale Jan 4, 2021, 4:29 AM

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perfect ty

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 5:12 AM

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What ares duo are you looking for on arthur

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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curse of longing doesnt hurt

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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ares on the hardest hitting weapon in the game?

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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merciful end is also very powerful

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^

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I'd rather do arty aphro duo

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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ME on the slowest weapon in the game?

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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ares is in general not that good on arthur

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Me seems bad on arthur

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But also if you have arty attack you can't get ME

daring turtle Jan 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Rama + explosive shot is hilariously slow

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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i mean i guess if you wanted to go aphro attack for survivability or something

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Hm then i feel like dio would be better on dash

edgy steppe Jan 4, 2021, 5:27 AM

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whats the best way to complete a no-boon run? specifically in styx, do you just hope for the 2sack, or do you go thru boon rooms till you get the sack (or run out of boon rooms) then go thru the non-boon rooms and hope for a cleansing pool?

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 5:29 AM

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you need a lucky styx for the end to be truly boonless, yeah

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 5:29 AM

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hoping for cleansing pool sounds risky

edgy steppe Jan 4, 2021, 5:29 AM

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@mighty ermine which of those strategies has a better chance of success?

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 5:29 AM

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go through non-boon rooms first

edgy steppe Jan 4, 2021, 5:30 AM

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oh wait, this would be way easier if i just had fated authority

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rip 4 wasted runs

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 5:30 AM

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2-sack has a good chance of being the case, so if you have at least two non-boon reward paths, it's fairly likely you'll be set

edgy steppe Jan 4, 2021, 5:30 AM

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isnt it always 3 boons, 2 non-boons?

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 5:30 AM

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not always, no

edgy steppe Jan 4, 2021, 5:31 AM

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or nah

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ok

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thx man

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 5:31 AM

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how do you deal with hermes dont all his boons activate the moment you take them

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 5:31 AM

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you can take hermes boons that you can choose not to take advantage of

edgy steppe Jan 4, 2021, 5:31 AM

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avoid him i guess, or reroll him, or take a cast boon

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 5:32 AM

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flurry cast and abstaining from casting until you purge it, for example

edgy steppe Jan 4, 2021, 5:32 AM

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how about movespeed and refraining from moving, sounds viable

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lol

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heeeey 2sack ftw

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the high-heat god has imparted on me his luck

rare kindle Jan 4, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Yeah, you obviously avoid passive hermes bonuses that affect movement

stone mango Jan 4, 2021, 6:47 AM

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Aight, i think everyone has asked this question b4

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Fight theseus or bull first?

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:47 AM

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Bull comes first

stone mango Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 AM

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is it wise to round them together and AoE or distance them?

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 AM

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Triggering Theseus 2nd phase early while dealing with the bull is asking for hell

gusty rapids Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 AM

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taking down bull first is easiest to me

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 AM

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You typically distance them, killing the bull first before finally moving onto Theseus

gusty rapids Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 AM

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hide behind pillars to dodge theseus and take down bull

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 AM

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^

lean knot Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 AM

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agile plover Triggering Theseus 2nd phase early while dealing with the bull is asking for hel...

unless you have aphro call, then it's hilarious

stone mango Jan 4, 2021, 6:49 AM

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I've only met the sugardaddy once and this duo has really shut down a good number of my runs

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still quite early in the game btw

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:49 AM

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Is Zag shield better when utilizing the special for damage over attack?

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I'm still a newbie myself

forest marsh Jan 4, 2021, 6:50 AM

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If you're confident, grouping them and taking down together is the best, but otherwise yeah, focus Asterius first

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 6:50 AM

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agile plover Is Zag shield better when utilizing the special for damage over attack?

I think you want to use dash strike and attack still

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Hm 🤔

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 6:51 AM

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It feels better if you get pulverizing blow

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:51 AM

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Which god would you recommend starting with

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If I go with attack being the main source of damage

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 6:51 AM

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Not a Zag shield expert but I would look for Artemis

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Deadly Strike and Hunter Dash

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:52 AM

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Ah okay. I'll look into that then xD

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I made it to Hades twice with shield. My biggest issue is my lack of dps. I want to complete shield so I can move onto the next wep XD

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 6:53 AM

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Why don't you cycle with Dark Thirst instead?

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:54 AM

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Blehhhh. Some weapons I don't want to bother with atm

stone mango Jan 4, 2021, 6:55 AM

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WHich keepsake should I take to the final battle, acorn or tooth?

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:55 AM

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Tooth

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 6:55 AM

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acorn is better

stone mango Jan 4, 2021, 6:55 AM

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ya see, hard choice

lean knot Jan 4, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Acorn if you know you won't need the tooth in Styx

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Acorn

stone mango Jan 4, 2021, 6:56 AM

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aight I'll take acorn

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 6:56 AM

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I love democracy

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:57 AM

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The lower the heat, the better tooth is over acorn

stone mango Jan 4, 2021, 6:57 AM

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Whatever, I'll just buy blood and hope I don't die

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 6:58 AM

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acorn still protects 200 damage at low heat

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 6:58 AM

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yeah assuming you dont lose a DD at styx tunnels

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Acorn provides much higher effective HP than tooth

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 6:59 AM

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yah what im tryna say is that low heat has no effect on whether tooth or acorn is better

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Of course it does. If you add damage modifiers, then acorn scales even greater

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 7:00 AM

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at low heat, acorn is still better than tooth

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 7:00 AM

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acorn is better than tooth in pretty much any situation

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 7:00 AM

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tooth is at no point "better" than acorn except if you can't make it to the final boss with DD intact or at extremely high heat

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 7:00 AM

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unless you lose a lot of DD at Styx for whatever eason

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Okay okay. Word then

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 7:03 AM

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if you can make it to redacted with like 2DD and 250+ HP you probably dont need acorn anyway

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Hades non EM4 is not hard

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 7:31 AM

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lambent plume is a crutch change my mind

sonic mural Jan 4, 2021, 7:33 AM

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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh super niche

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 7:34 AM

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plume hardly dominates the keepsake game

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it is niche

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 7:34 AM

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Did that change your mind?

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I think plume is an ok keepsake.

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The downfall is that you have to hold on to it and can't swap which makes it low value overall.

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 7:36 AM

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yeah, it doesn't see much use in speedruns or high heat, and is mostly for gimmicky dodge stacking stuff

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you can't switch off of it if you want to keep the bonus, and some rooms can just be too long for you to really add to the bonus, especially with jury summons

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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no keepsake in the game is dominant

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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does boiling/abyssal blood count as a status curse?

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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But as the old adage goes, everything is awesome in the land of low enough heat.

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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slim lynx does boiling/abyssal blood count as a status curse?

No, unfortunately.

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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slim lynx does boiling/abyssal blood count as a status curse?

no, only god-based statuses count

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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I love your status line btw spammy

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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so, aspect-specific debuffs aren't status curses either

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 7:38 AM

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Hades is a great game

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 7:39 AM

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makes sense since if you have privileged status you can hit someone with crush shot and they'd immediately be susceptible to more damage

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 7:39 AM

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status curses are almost exclusively boon related

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 7:39 AM

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they are exclusively boon related

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 7:40 AM

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Now if only Gilgamesh debuff is a status thanthink

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 7:40 AM

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yeah

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same

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Winter Harvest is broken

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It's so effective against bosses

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:00 AM

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I'd sure like what folks are smoking when implying that Hades is easier than Theseus and Asterius

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Hades is so much more difficult for me that it's not even funny

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Lmao

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:01 AM

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agile plover I'd sure like what folks are smoking when implying that Hades is easier than The...

They're equal difficulty imo

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Also dw my first clear was at 70 or so runs

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I have like 76 clears now trolljerma

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:02 AM

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If Hades didn't have as much environmental traps

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But you have so much more to look out for when fighting him

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Boiling blood is bad

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Though it's easy to avoid

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:03 AM

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i thought you meant the mirror ability, don't mind that thanthink lmao

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:03 AM

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I found out today that you can completely avoid the hades skull projectiles if you use a shield block

forest marsh Jan 4, 2021, 8:03 AM

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I was thinking the same Tail

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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I got my first clear at around 11 runs, but getting another's proving to be quite difficult

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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mighty ermine i thought you meant the mirror ability, don't mind that thanthink lmao

Yea nah, pretty much every mirror effect is half decent besides the last one

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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you can block all of hades' attacks

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every single one

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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The one that changes boons

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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And yeah you can, but I don't do it in time so I got hit a few times

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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he cant damage you at all

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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first clear at 11 runs is really good, wow

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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I lucked out massively is all

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:04 AM

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echo radish you can block all of hades' attacks

I would have thought that deflecting would be more effective for the skulls

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But blocking completely despawns it

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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forest marsh I was thinking the same Tail

Thirded

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Ofc you can block all of hades' attacks but deflecting is better

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Had 40-50% damage reduction when you added all my boons up, on top of regen

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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(obv)

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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mighty ermine first clear at 11 runs is really good, wow

I swear everyone nowadays have sub 15 attempt clears

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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I literally just out lasted Hades that time

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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dry ember Thirded

we're just so used to seeing real thanthink takes in this channel all the time

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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agile plover Had 40-50% damage reduction when you added all my boons up, on top of regen

Wow, that's really good. Stubborn Roots is also really effective because you can completely clutch runs

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Stubborn roots with cursed slash 😳

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Yes. Stubborn Roots can trivialize a run, even if the player's inexperienced like me

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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dry ember Thirded

Fourthed

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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What really set that run up for me was the duo boon that guarantees epic boons

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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I wish it was two messages so we could just pin it and see how many people fall for it

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Exclusive access is sooo good when U get it early

forest marsh Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Exclusive Access is incredible, yeah

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Might try poseidon/dio run tomorrow

agile plover Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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modern lichen Exclusive access is sooo good when U get it early

Yesss dude. I got it in Tartarus if I'm not mistaken? I think XD

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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I want to get EA early so I don't have to worry about boon rarities

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DUDE

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That's great

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Early Access

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Getting something like Sweet Nectar or Exclusive Access in Tartarus is just... good

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 AM

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If I yarn onto exclusive access do I get heroic boons?

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 AM

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no

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 AM

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oh that sucks

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Fine I'll be satisfied I guess

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:09 AM

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heroic can only come from eurydice, rare crop, and exchanges

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:09 AM

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So nectar won't work either?

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Eurydice's nectar that is

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:09 AM

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nope, nectar can't make epics into heroics

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Wow I could've phrased that better

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:09 AM

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but nectar does affect duo/legendary chance

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Yea I've noticed that whenever I get nectar I walk out with two duos unless hermes happens in which case I dash out with 2 duos

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:10 AM

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mighty ermine heroic can only come from eurydice, rare crop, and exchanges

I don't do exchanges enough sadly

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:(

forest marsh Jan 4, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Exchanges are so often hit-and-miss anyway, since you usually already have the boon you want

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Yeah that's true

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I never do exchanges cause I'm taking a boon cause I want it lmao why would I lose it

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Same

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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approval process forcing you into a bad exchange is the worst

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I played approval process once for the achievement

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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It's annoying when you gotta pick from two commons and some heroic exchange

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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mighty ermine approval process forcing you into a bad exchange is the worst

Yeah bc they're always the top option

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:(

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I wish I had gotten the achievement cause I'll have to play it again soenday

forest marsh Jan 4, 2021, 8:13 AM

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AP1 isn't so bad if you aren't running a lot of heat

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Love it when the entire duo dialogue plays out and approval process deletes the duo

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:13 AM

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yeah, i guess i mean AP2 where you don't have a choice, and can sometimes ruin a build depending on aspect

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:13 AM

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duos are almost never the top option cz_cringe

terse mist Jan 4, 2021, 8:14 AM

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imagine if there was AP3

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no boons for you naughty zagreus

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:14 AM

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That's how you do boonless lmao

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:14 AM

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no hammers either

modern lichen Jan 4, 2021, 8:14 AM

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😬

forest marsh Jan 4, 2021, 8:15 AM

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All you need is Rama, right? squirtdevious

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Yeah, I'll pass on AP3 tyvm

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Hey its permanent shackle active

terse mist Jan 4, 2021, 8:15 AM

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wait does AP3 actually exist

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idk cause i never take it

mighty ermine Jan 4, 2021, 8:16 AM

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no lol

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2 is the max

terse mist Jan 4, 2021, 8:16 AM

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thanks lol

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:16 AM

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There is AP-1

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You start with full build

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But each boon takes away instead of giving you stuff

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 8:42 AM

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does boiling/abyssal blood stack with how many bloodstones you have in your enemy?

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:42 AM

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no

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 8:42 AM

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bouldy

dry ember Jan 4, 2021, 8:42 AM

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dusa

trim shard Jan 4, 2021, 8:43 AM

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rush kick works with demeter fist right?

icy glade Jan 4, 2021, 8:44 AM

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yes

verbal prism Jan 4, 2021, 8:50 AM

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Whats a good build for hera bow?

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 9:07 AM

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festive fog + zeus duo is the dominant option

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crush shot and flood shot are also viable

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 9:10 AM

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I thought crush shot was the best

bright rock Jan 4, 2021, 9:11 AM

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whats a good build with a chaos shield?+

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 9:12 AM

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zeus or ares special

bright rock Jan 4, 2021, 9:12 AM

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got it

terse mist Jan 4, 2021, 9:13 AM

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zeus special slaps on chaos shield

bright rock Jan 4, 2021, 9:14 AM

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i might gotta give zues some nectar so i can get him 1st try in my runs

rain juniper Jan 4, 2021, 9:56 AM

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question, i have 2 diamonds what should i get from
court music stand, fish rod, contractor's desk deluxe, or entry to admin chamber

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 9:59 AM

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fish rod, free resources

echo radish Jan 4, 2021, 10:00 AM

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Rod ez

viral star Jan 4, 2021, 10:09 AM

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after trying out SD I'm finding it much more useful than DD

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i can play like an idiot to make sure tight deadline doesn't catch up to me and with Ares boons I can spam blood frenzy every chamber

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 10:20 AM

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SD is the staple on higher heat

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 10:23 AM

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what does 'unseen' do? is it basically athena's aid minus the deflect?

gusty rapids Jan 4, 2021, 10:24 AM

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oh yeah blood frenzy is fantastic with SD

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unseen kind of makes enemies unable to aim at you, but you can still take damage

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 10:25 AM

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you move faster and can not be targeted by enemies

gusty rapids Jan 4, 2021, 10:25 AM

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the most appealing part about it is your own damage bonus

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its what, +100% global damage for 2 seconds for lesser call?

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i just know its a significant damage boost

fair cairn Jan 4, 2021, 10:25 AM

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+100% damage at max rank

gusty rapids Jan 4, 2021, 10:26 AM

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ah yeah

slim lynx Jan 4, 2021, 10:26 AM

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the +50% is already appealing

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i'll definitely max this out asap

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i really thought being invisible meant you were invincible as well bouldy

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 10:30 AM

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gusty rapids its what, +100% global damage for 2 seconds for lesser call?

it's 1.5 seconds for regular call

gusty rapids Jan 4, 2021, 10:31 AM

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gotcha, thank u

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was unsure after the patch

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 10:31 AM

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no worries ^_^

opal lodge Jan 4, 2021, 10:35 AM

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it was 1.5 before and after the patch

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just clarified the tooltip after

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 10:36 AM

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it was a fairly common misconception that the damage up lasted for the full 2 seconds

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 11:06 AM

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what, it does not?

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 11:08 AM

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it doesn't, the damage up lasts for 1.5 seconds the call lasts for 2

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 11:12 AM

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Oh

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Then it's okay, I was only .5s from truth

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At first I thought the bonus damage was active only when stealth was on too

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Not that I care about that keepsake tho linkShrug

cloud vault Jan 4, 2021, 11:29 AM

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The damage is only 1 hit though isn't it

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Except for max call where it's 5 seconds damage and invis

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 11:30 AM

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nope, the damage lasts for 1.5 seconds, max call lasts the full 5

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the current tool tip reflects that

open matrix Jan 4, 2021, 11:31 AM

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Guys, so the heat can reset the bounties froma weapon ?

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 11:32 AM

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it never worked the way you're describing Phoenix for regular call

cloud vault Jan 4, 2021, 11:33 AM

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Okay, I can't say I used it much

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 11:34 AM

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open matrix Guys, so the heat can reset the bounties froma weapon ?

assuming I'm reading this correctly, you'll only get the bounties for your lowest incomplete heat
for example you have sword at heat 2 and you do heat 6, you'll get the bounties from heat 2 and won't be able to get the bounties from heat 3 until you win a run at heat 2 or greater

cloud vault Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 AM

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'While Invisible, Zagreus cannot be targeted, moves faster, and deals bonus damage for 2 seconds (or until he strikes).' Wiki

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 AM

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the wiki is wrong

cloud vault Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Then it should be changed to avoid confusion

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 AM

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it should yeah

hoary slate Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 AM

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change it yourself

cloud vault Jan 4, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Any random person can just do that?

hoary slate Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 AM

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it's a fandom based wiki. No Clue how it actually works but it's NOT sth official

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 11:44 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720910457245794366/795618112267091998/Inked20210104223404_1_LI.jpg - the tooltip for Hades call in game

viral star Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 AM

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what do you guys think is the best duo

untold vortex Jan 4, 2021, 12:00 PM

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depends on the weapon, aspect and build really

viral star Jan 4, 2021, 12:01 PM

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i see!

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i think my answer would be sea storm personally

tough pebble Jan 4, 2021, 12:12 PM

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does anyone have some good boon recommendations for the zeus shield?

half crater Jan 4, 2021, 12:15 PM

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put lightning on special and grab as many extra zeus boons as you can to upgrade it

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zap to the finish line

tough pebble Jan 4, 2021, 12:15 PM

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ok, thanks! i'll give that a shot

hoary slate Jan 4, 2021, 12:29 PM

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cloud vault Any random person can just do that?

Updated the page. It's literally just Clicking Edit and doing it. And if you don't want to show your IP create an account to where the Change can be backtracked.

viral star Jan 4, 2021, 12:45 PM

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flurry jab and serrated point are so fun combined

copper crest Jan 4, 2021, 1:10 PM

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does Shared Suffering counts as curse in privileged status?

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also jolted?

proven osprey Jan 4, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Jolted is a curse, shared suffering is not

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Status curses only come from gods