the game actually seems to want to give me the legendary aspects after ......5 runs of having all requirements but the dialogue didnt wanna trigger
#h1-builds-and-combat
river rampart
proven osprey
Charged skewer is amazing
Serrated too but riskier
quick/massive massive spin very good. Breaching is the top hammer when combined with charged skewer, otherwise it's meh
static ibex
God's Pride vs God's Legacy, which is more advantageous?
hallow pivot
turns out if you get a duo of aphrodite and dionysus and its the one where, if you inflit weak on a enemy you can inflit more hangover
so if you get the hangover thing for your attack
( your attack inflits hangover )
and you keep buffing it with poms
proven osprey
God's Pride vs God's Legacy, which is more advantageous?
Both are good, some build really like duos and some don't
hallow pivot
and eurydice i belive ( pray to get it leveled up )
proven osprey
Rarity is a bait most of the time tho
hallow pivot
you can do like 100 hangover dmg
vast yew
Hi, whats a standard casual mirror setup?
true sphinx
Depends on ur build
Shadow Presence, DD, Greater Reflex and Thick Skin are usually something you always have tho imo
Especially early on
crimson mango
hangover's visual effects are so cool
together with aphrodite you can activate that 2 status dmg bonus so easily
dire plover
Hellooo, can anyone give me an idea for Chaos Shield boon paths ? Mine's only lvl 3 atm and I found success with Demeter + Ares for the +40% damage off of 2 curses thing
I've been told Ares + Aphrodite works quite well with it ?
chilly sapphire
Should I get the hidden aspect of shield or spear?
stuck field
get the shield one
i don't know what the shield one is
but the spear one sucks
still need to beat hades with malphon
true sphinx
@stuck field just use zag aspect and Lambent Plume
stuck field
im on hades rn doing quite good
true sphinx
Easiest win I’ve had
stuck field
on the 2nd phase with 300 health
true sphinx
Ayyy Gucci
true sphinx
Lmao
stuck field
aphrodite's call keeps on saving me from heavy hits too
true sphinx
Ezpz
little quiver
oh boy charon sure hits hard
any advice on fighting him?
just got demolished because i tried taking him on at the end of tartarus but wow 50 damage a hit hurts
forest marsh
Charon does hit hard, yes, however his moves have good telegraphs and are pretty slow and easy to dodge once you learn the patterns
little quiver
so just getting a few fights with him then and practicing those patterns?
forest marsh
Yup! Or doing one and keeping your distance a bit just to watch. When he does the two big swings in a row, dash behind him and you can get some free hits in, then dash behind him again when he turns around for the second swing
little quiver
its random when his "stash" spawns right?
so i just gotta get lucky to get another chance with him
forest marsh
I believe it can only spawn every 3+ runs
little quiver
oh ok
gotta do more runs and get lucky then, well i wanted to try out every pact condition once anyway so here goes^^
forest marsh
Good luck!
chilly sapphire
Hidden bow is broken
stuck field
any tips on beating hades with the adamant rail
little quiver
which aspect?
stuck field
any except for the hidden one
little quiver
well if you wanna go with eris
i found that zeus attack really worked well for me
and then getting some poseidon boons to go for the duo, or just stacking more zeus stuff
twin ice
little quiver
and the damage boost from the eris aspect really works well with it
so for the chiron bow, any other specials besides artemis that work well with it?
i usually go aphro attack and artemis special but want to switch it up for a change
forest marsh
If you're running forced overtime, or even if you're not, Demeter can be fun on special. Likewise Dio on special with Low Tolerance
little quiver
alrighty ill try dio then
mossy nimbus
So I just have this really nice build
So I Pommed the hell out of Ares's Attack Boon, as well as Zeus's Revenge Boon
combine it with Patroclus's Keepsake and a melee weapon like the Varatha, it's so much fun
Ares's Attack Boon may have been my favorite 😳
low seal
Can anyone give me a hint how I can get the "bad news" boon from Hermes? It is the second legendary boon for stygian soul and I can not get it, no matter how many times I take Auto Reload...
forest marsh
You can also try taking the Plume instead, which makes it easier since you then don't need a boon first to get the Legendary offered
Dark Foresight will also help
opal lodge
make sure youre running god's legacy and taking yarns/nectar from eurydice
forest marsh
And God's Legacy
opal lodge
hermes legendary boons have a base chance of 1%, so you need all you can get to boost that abysmal chance
low seal
Well, thanks. Didn't thought about these.
forest marsh
Lastly, take Fated Persuasion so you can reroll when it isn't offered
low seal
Thanks :)
forest marsh
Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice will also boost your chances if it lines up with a Hermes drop
warped hound
Man, I really thing Arthur needs a buff for heat runs
Hyperarmor against normal enemies during combo at the very least
forest marsh
You can dash mid-combo to preserve the combo and reposition to avoid damage
warped hound
I know, but it doesn't fix the problem against forced overtime enemies
warped hound
You either get your combos stuffed with 1-frame attacks and interrupted (since faster enemies also recover faster), or just get chased if you reposition
opal lodge
picking your spots to dash midcombo also definitely does help
otherwise just rely on arthur dash strikes and hope you get dedge
but i believe most people just stack DR and hope for the best
warped hound
You still need hyperdash just to make the weapon function
opal lodge
ok
warped hound
I was just thinking it would make more sense to have built-in hyperarmor
even without DR that comes with sturdy buff
So you get your combos stuffed but at the very least you're still getting closer to the end of the encounter
opal lodge
3 people have beaten 46+ heat with arthur
warped hound
I haven't seen anyone make good use of Arthur on high heat runs. "Good" as in not severely handicapping themselves by picking it
opal lodge
1 hyper sprint
it is hard for sure
just dont think it actually gets too tough until you hit 40 ish
and run out of pacts
or rather i dont think arthur is unviable in its current state by any means
unless you want to do 50+
warped hound
Yeah as I said, you can beat the game with it technically
but you're severely handicapping yourself by picking it
over any other aspect, even Zag
opal lodge
arthur is straight up good at 32 heat
warped hound
If you avoid FO at all costs - maybe, I dunno
low seal
Welp, I just did what you suggested and the first hermes boon was bad news....
Hours of grinding for that boon wasted.
forest marsh
Hey, the important part is that you got it 
low seal
Yeah, I finally got my Prophecy finished for having every legendary boon. It bothered me that I had it open even though I already finished the epilogue.
opal lodge
If you avoid FO at all costs - maybe, I dunno
there are 4 arthur runs above 45 heat posted on the spreadsheet pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies , maybe check to see how they dealt with FO2 enemies?
pseudo stream
hm. why would Zeus special be good on Chaos shield?
warped hound
Why wouldn't it? It does flat damage.
Stock shield throw is pretty weak, so no point scaling it.
Just slap flat damage on it instead.
alpine gazelle
Is there a good build for sword and fist for someone who is terrible at melee in this game. Working my way through baby heat levels with anything ranged, but struggle even getting through 3rd boss with melee.
warped hound
Is there a good build for sword and fist for someone who is terrible at melee in...
Arthur on baby heat is free win.
Slap Aphro attack on it and use it as training wheels I'd say
Malphon is kind of a big brain, but people say playing with Demeter is easier than it seems.
alpine gazelle
Will give it a shot. Thanks.
stuck field
got incredibly close to beating hades with the rail
got him down to half health in his 2nd phase
first time i had to do all 5 chambers of the temple of the styx too
true sphinx
I really like the Eris rail
opal lodge
can be tough
eternal wasp
hey hello
any good builds for shield?
piercing shot is incredible but its rng if you get it or not
so something more reliable
opal lodge
which shield
eternal wasp
any aspect is fine
kindred trout
Stock shield throw is pretty weak, so no point scaling it.
Zeus Special is okay on Chaos Shield because it has great aoe room clear, but it's not amazing because the single-target damage suffers. The single-hit damage for shield throw is only 15, but with a maxed our chaos shield I believe you can shotgun someone in melee range for 6 shields = 75 damage. If you're pulling that off regularly you'd rather have a +100% aphro special for 75 added damage, than a single 40 or 50 point lightning bolt.
opal lodge
yeah taking zeus special is accepting amazing room clear for mediocre bossing
you usually want something like arty attack to supplement your boss damage
keen mesa
how does Relentless Volley (+4 special) work with Aspect of Rama?
opal lodge
adds 4 specials?
the animation takes longer accordingly
so its not great if you arent doing a special build
hallow pivot
any good build ideas?
pseudo stream
Stock shield throw is pretty weak, so no point scaling it.
Even when you’re landing multiple shotgun shields? Isn’t chaos shield pretty useless if you’re only attacking once
hallow pivot
for someone who uses exagryph and has no companions
hallow pivot
is 900 dmg in one exagryph special good?
warped hound
is 900 dmg in one exagryph special good?
With hazard bomb?
keen mesa
hazard bomb is 300% more
hallow pivot
since this was on my 1st succesful escape
warped hound
It's the hammer that makes bomb dangerous to you
keen mesa
and can hurt you (slightly)
hallow pivot
oh that one
yeh i used that one for my 1st succesful escape
whats a good dmg output for it
warped hound
It's not very good damage with hazard bomb
hallow pivot
( like builds, and what a good build should do in terms of dmg )
warped hound
if not hazard bomb then it's very good
hallow pivot
what i did was use jolted effects from zeus
plus like the dmg
its pretty good
i had some really good daedulus stuff
i forgot what i did exactly
but i know zeus was very useful
legendary zeus jolt does like 200 maby
or around there
get somthing from zeus that makes your special do lighting dmg ( or atk ) then use your sepcial
special*
@echo radish get alot of chaos boons aswell
cinder wave
So, Athena cast with Zeus duo was surprisingly good on Poseidon sword.
tame bison
Zeus special for hazard bomb? Gross. You want a %dmg special with hazard bomb so that your damage numbers get huge instead of something like zeus special where the damage output is dependent on using it multiple times very quickly
drowsy stirrup
regarding dad fight phase 2. Is it the case for all companions that you can skip his radiating wave stuff with a well timed drop of the companion?
cinder wave
So, Athena cast with Zeus duo was surprisingly good on Poseidon sword.
Athena cast with Beowulf, not so much.
tame bison
You can skip any attack with companion use.
Radiating wave...you mean the ring that’s super easy to dodge? Just dash over it
Do you mean lasers?
drowsy stirrup
it's not hard to deal with it,I'm just asking cause when i drop bouldy on him, he doesn't do that attack, and it appears his invuln is less than normal
echo wolf
is the bow any good? It doesn't seem very optimal since even with consistent power shots you still just barely meet the dps of other weapons.
tame bison
Make sure you are dash striking with it since charges shot faster
but the answer to your question is yes, it’s amazing.
swift patio
The bow is good but takes some time to get used to
drowsy stirrup
chiron bow is an easy carry imo
tame bison
Basic bow is not super exciting. the aspects are where the power is
drowsy stirrup
hera bow with aphro cast is similarly ez
swift patio
Since you have to build the muscle memory for the dash strike
echo wolf
Tried for a while but like it just seems to be sub par even with consistent power shots
swift patio
In order to get the timing
echo wolf
so dash strikes is where its at.
tame bison
Also assuming you aren’t putting like...Zeus strike on your attack
swift patio
Yep.
echo wolf
knew the bow was hiding damage somewhere.
swift patio
The dash strike charges the bow faster
Than the normal powershot
Also I heard chiron aspect is good
tame bison
Basic bow you want %dmg attack and some random status on your special bc special kinda poopy. Doom or Zeus or Dio special
Just spray the whole room one time and then dash strike away
echo wolf
what aspects or builds makes the basic attack good?
echo wolf
i must practice then.
echo wolf
so I was seeing some discussion that the arthur aspect wasn't as good later? why not?
tame bison
Bc you have to run forced overtime for higher heat and then mobs attack so fast that it messes with your slow attack animation
echo wolf
Isn't a good solution to just dash backwards while slashing?
tame bison
Think ppl are talking like 32 Heat plus
opal lodge
i was more talking 40+
but yeah arthur interacts really really badly with FO2 and DC in any amount
proven osprey
Elitist
opal lodge
echo wolf
It's probably my favorite next to fists and zag sword.
proven osprey
That hammer can't break diamond
echo wolf
DC?
forest marsh
Damage Control
proven osprey
Damage control, blue heart pack
keen mesa
unless you have something like zeus cast
proven osprey
Bad in general, very bad for some aspects
opal lodge
very very bad for arthur nonetheless
cloud minnow
Hey uh, what's Rama best at?
keen mesa
I just beat hades with a Rama build, let me show you
opal lodge
yeah that looks alright
you usually want artemis dash to boost the dash strike damage
what do you mean artemis isn't that great?
tame bison
Rama is best at uhh...winning the game?
keen mesa
artemis has very low damage %
only makes up for it with crit chance
and I didn't have nearly any boons that further modify the crit damage
opal lodge
theres a reason why 60 heat starts with artemis attack and why every rama speedrun starts artemis attack
opal lodge
if you took hunter dash instead of blade dash arty attack gets better
the attack chaos helps it too
since both of those boost base damage
decreases the gap between artemis base damage and the other ones
keen mesa
all weapons unlocked and maxed now, woo!
eternal wasp
purging trippy shot nullifies the effects of ice wine
rippppp
at least i get like 500 free obols
drowsy stirrup
alright, time to try out EM3 theseus.. i am getting absolutely carried by this build..and it is eris rail.. so i am unsure how fair this will be
true sphinx
What boon should I use on beowulf shield?
keen mesa
some cast one
drowsy stirrup
stygian soul is basically only dio, but aphro/pos with infernal soul
true sphinx
I know some cast one ..
drowsy stirrup
for speedrunning, you use poseidon/artemis mirage shot and it is OP
true sphinx
Which cast tho lmao
drowsy stirrup
@true sphinx stygian soul is basically only dio, but aphro/pos with infernal sou
wow EM3 is neat. I really enjoy the new stuff
i do hope that turning on Middle Management will make it even harder
i really like the new asterius moveset
sonic mural
middle management affects mini bosses only i think
drowsy stirrup
indeed. but EM3 gives even miniboss asterius the EM3 stuff
so MM should compound it
sonic mural
it doesnt affect tiny vermin or asterius
Because both of them are technically bosses
true sphinx
What god do I need for Dio duo boon for the cast?
sonic mural
zeus i think
Wait
There are multiple
Demeter too
the wiki has them all if i wanna check i dont really play dio cast
true sphinx
Ok ty
kindred trout
artemis attack-dash increases base attack damage too?
Hunter Dash does not increase your base damage. It's a damage bonus that stacks additively with other damage bonuses. So if you have a common deadly strike (+20% damage) and a common Hunter Dash (+50% dash-strike damage) your dash-strikes will deal 170% of your base dash-strike damage. The reason Hunter Dash is so good with Deadly Strike is that criticals multiply all your damage, including other damage bonuses. So with just deadly strike and no hunter dash, your criticals would deal 360% of your base damage. But with hunter dash added in, a dash-strike critical would deal 510% of your base dash-strike.
teal bobcat
what casts are good for aspect of poseidon sword?
teal bobcat
well athena and zeus refuse to show up in my run
dry ember
Have you tried forced them with your keepsakes?
People use that to make sure they have the build they want
teal bobcat
no. i'm not trying to force runs too much. im trying to level each of my keepsakes right now
was curious what peoples opinion was on which casts were good. the only cast that ive gotten to pick is dionysus which doesn't work with the sword
dry ember
I see. Well, if you are going in freestyling then you need to adapt with whatever you are given. Most casts will work well still.
But Flood Shot, Phalanx Shot can do you justice.
Bladerift is also... fine
You kinda need duos/legendaries also
coarse moss
aspect of poseidon is fun with the boon Exit Wounds
serene lichen
gods, i love dumb talos fists runs.
artemis on the special for damage, demeter on the attack for fast chill buildup, ares dash.
special to drag an enemy over, spam dashing through them and special. the chill's good for bosses.
also, the upgrades you can get are fun. buffing either ares or artemis works a treat, and using demeter for other abilities makes it easier to keep up the chill. especially her call.
drowsy stirrup
so how do you guys go about EM3 theseus with fists? I find it super challenging to approach him while he is in the chariot with bombs
sonic mural
just stay out of the way of the bombs
void niche
How do I gain aspects?
void niche
I did unlock em all
opal lodge
what do i run with gilgamesh fists?
Merciful end baby
or zeuseidon usually
heart rend also tends to be pretty good
forest marsh
Did you just unlock the last one, or have you done a run since unlocking @void niche ?
void niche
I just unlocked the last one
sonic mural
is there any point in gilgamesh fists with merciful end if you can just run a faster fist?
void niche
I have to do a run I'm guessin
forest marsh
Yes
sharp harness
anyone else like what i call the kamikaze build where you have both triple bomb and hazard bomb lol
sonic mural
what aspect?
sharp harness
when i found it originally it was the first one but currently using eris
sonic mural
well you can iframe dash the bomb and still get the buff so its pretty good actually
opal lodge
is there any point in gilgamesh fists with merciful end if you can just run a fa...
i meant to respond to this
you can usually just run dem fists if youre trying to go fast
drowsy stirrup
welp.. i just died to a 6 min dad fight.. Lambent plume rush delivery zag fists.. it was not enjoyable
sonic mural
you can usually just run dem fists if youre trying to go fast
for zeusseidon does that mean zeus attack? if so why since the fists are pretty slow compared to demeter
opal lodge
the idea is that it gives some decent base damage on your miserable dash strikes
and you just fling four dash strikes with tidal dash into things and watch them die
it was better before the sea storm nerfs
opal lodge
yeah
hunter dash doesnt usually make enough of a difference so you could take passion dash too
or just run a high dps dash like blade/tidal dash
sonic mural
thx for the advice
@opal lodge are top hammers for gilgamesh breaching, rolling knuckle rending claws?
opal lodge
want to know something weird
top hammer is rush kick
breaching and rending claws still good
rolling knuck doesnt actually do anything
turbid needle
oh yeah rush kick babey
sonic mural
why rush kick?
turbid needle
cause rush kick is cool
opal lodge
it makes your dash upper less terrible
easier to apply maim
and gives you better reach on it
sonic mural
ah ok
grand pumice
Man, Theseus's Demeter call completely counters the twin fists.
coral flicker
counters fun more like
opal lodge
god keepsakes
coarse moss
wear god keepsake at start, then wear 2nd god keepsake in asphodel
rare kindle
How are you supposed to use zeus shield?
pseudo stream
Zeus special, aim for Zeus boons and ideally his legendary - then you can run around in circles while it comes back to you and things will die
personally I really like it with Poseidon attack too
thick cipher
I don’t know much but I think that tidal dash is one of the best dashes if not the best in the game
sonic mural
Yah its def up there with athena
eternal wasp
whats your guys favorite weapons in general (zag aspect)
pale kayak
Tfw you almost screw your run over with Spread Fire on the rail
sonic mural
ares for curse of nausea?
opal lodge
yee
sonic mural
is the only boon needed for zeus shield zeus special + zeus built around it?
coarse moss
heard people also like arty special on zeus shield. haven't tried myself, but 30 base dmg at that rate of fire, seem legit
turbid needle
slap Zeus on Zeus special
lethal kindle
ive finally unlocked the aspects on shield, is there a recommended one? at the moment im leaning towards aspect of zeus but idk if thats the right option
or do i save and not pgrade at all
lethal kindle
and what do you recommend for sword?
runic jetty
I like asterius sword.
lethal kindle
i only have 2 titan blood at the moment and sword and shield unlocked
runic jetty
Ive heard Poseidon is decent, I dont incorporate specials too much into my gameplay
lethal kindle
ah ignore me apparently all the aspects unlock for all the weapons at the same time
tulip elk
ah ignore me apparently all the aspects unlock for all the weapons at the same t...
The aspects become available at the same time but aren’t unlocked
proven osprey
yeah except for the hidden ones
proven osprey
But Zeus shield is excellent
past raven
Zeus is probably my favorite aspect among any weapon aside from Zag fists
lethal kindle
amazing i will invest
coarse moss
amazing i will invest
make sure you get zeus boon special on it
proven osprey
^
lethal kindle
alright ill try! i had the zeus boon on special on the previous run and it was awesome
proven osprey
Artemis works well too, it will deal damage even without T2 boons
Merciful End is also a solid option
lethal kindle
i think im gonna miss the boomerang effect
coarse moss
i like to throw it when im in melee range. let it zap the enemy like 3-4 times, then recall. before it goes too far
lethal kindle
oh wow you can attack while its doing its thing
proven osprey
you should be attacking
coarse moss
and blocking!
sonic mural
What hammers are best for zeus shield?
balmy portal
blast when you catch it and double strike attacks are my preferred
coarse moss
i like bullrush ones, or the double attack one
echo radish
Didn't know blast was good in Zeus since you don't catch it often
balmy portal
depends how you're throwing it
you can throw it out and re-catch it right away and then throw it again etc. 😛
or it just blows everything up in the area when you recall it
good for smoking a bunch of trash around you
coarse moss
throw and catch asap is very fast. cuz no bounce like other shield
mighty mantle
Am I allowed to post builds from my escape? I have a nutty build I wanna show off LOL
dry ember
#h1-victory-boasting is the appropriate place!
mighty mantle
Thanks!
runic jetty
Damn I dunno if I have like a disability or something but uh, Ive only cleared the game with the sword. I just cant seem to mesh specials or Casts into my gameplay
crimson mango
You'll get used to combo'ing all three together at some point once you try out different types of cast etc
sonic mural
you usually dont use cast if not using a specific build
except at beginning of a fight
runic jetty
I mean I have everything unlocked its just the sword feels so much smoother than everythin else for me
sonic mural
special depneding on aspect of sword you dont use either
runic jetty
Im fully aware of the potential of everything but the sheer amount of flurries and consistency I have with swords is very appealing to me
sonic mural
what aspect of sword r u using/
crimson mango
There's this one Poseidon boon where he grants you minimum Epic rarity boons
balmy portal
poseidon + dio duo
crimson mango
oh wait he's talking about
sonic mural
for zag sword yah you really dont use special or cast
crimson mango
Uh, I don't really use Stygian that often
balmy portal
yeah I've gotten the poseidon sword aspect mixed up with talk about the god before
crimson mango
I'd say Dionysus Cast is sweet as well ?
Really really helps with tearing through Elysium and Styx enemies
river rampart
Me who just uses athena everything:
crimson mango
I like most of Dio's boons ngl
runic jetty
I just go Artemis Crit builds most of the time w athena
crimson mango
That's why I always use Privileged
echo radish
Whenever I'm going for Artemis I don't use priv status
cloud vault
Zag Spear with fiery presence and chain shot hammer in Tartarus is the fastest thing I've ever seen for room clear lol
Sucks ass for bosses ofx
runic jetty
Fastest Clear Ive seen was Posiedon multi Splash Hermes Multi Dash
crimson mango
I always use Extending Jab and Flurry Jab for Spear
runic jetty
and then Posiedon dash
crimson mango
Who needs aspect for Spear
cloud vault
Like you toss the Spear and the room is gone
runic jetty
could be cool w Lambent Plume
echo radish
I see your zag spear and I raise you ricochet hestia
crimson mango
Zag Spear with fiery presence and chain shot hammer in Tartarus is the fastest t...
uhh what are these boons
echo radish
You can dash between your combo
stuck field
i just used the daedelus hammer and got a boon which heals 2 health per hit
echo radish
So you can reposition yourself between attacks to make it way more effective
stuck field
but it lowers your health down to 40%
stuck field
but it was worth it
crimson mango
I could have sworn it was 60%
runic jetty
its 60
stuck field
it lowers it by 60%
crimson mango
oh.
river rampart
Or I'm accidently hitting attack to early and trigging a dash attack lol
stuck field
but i said lowers it down to 40%
runic jetty
he said to 40 percent
crimson mango
me committing oof again
echo radish
Yes it's hard to get the difference
stuck field
is aspect of lucifer any good?
past raven
Yes
echo radish
But once you get used to it the trick is do your first attack away from enemies
Then dash closer for second and third
past raven
If you get Artemis’s boon that shoots arrows when you attack, special, or cast, aspect of Lucifer is amazing
river rampart
Literally playing rail is questioning where the heck did the enemy's health bar go
Any aspect
Besides maybe Zag
past raven
I won my first rail attempt by using max aspect of zag rail
elder lava
a question
runic jetty
support fire.
elder lava
if i have a weapon like for example Arthur
dusk cairn
Speaking of rail
elder lava
and i take a hammer upgrade that does something to teh special
e.g. the one that makes you dash and get sturdy
past raven
Hammer upgrades are different for each aspect
elder lava
does that remove the special arthur effects on special?
dusk cairn
What is the rate of fire when the rail goes full auto?
elder lava
so i won't slam the ground but i would still get the aoe slow
echo radish
Are talking about the hammer that makes you lunge forward
elder lava
thats good to know if that's the case because i've been avoiding those upgrades like the plague
echo radish
Cause that still makes you slam the ground
elder lava
yeah theres a hammer that makes your special lunge forward and makes you sturdy
but in general i've had this question about a few hammer upgrades
echo radish
You'll just jump forward a bit
elder lava
that sound like they modify your special
echo radish
But you can do that without the hammer anyway
elder lava
and i am just never sure if i will keep my specials effects
echo radish
Cause arthur special let's you dash before it lands
elder lava
i'd imagine the sturdy from the hammer upgrade is useful though no?
echo radish
Idk never been much of a fan of that one hammer
elder lava
i've never taken it tbh
balmy portal
I think the sturdy kicks in after the leap
elder lava
but i just thought it could be useful
balmy portal
I've been very disappointed when I took it
echo radish
It ruined my run lol
balmy portal
^
echo radish
Cause now my special wouldn't land where I wanted it to
elder lava
oh interesting
sonic mural
yah you'd ideally want life affirmation
sonic mural
to counteract the life drain
turbid needle
just dont get hit 
river rampart
echo radish
Lol no
rugged smelt
Any tips for EM4 Hades with the rail gun, Demeter? Best I can do is half his final health bar. Tried defensive Athena build didn’t work. Right now the only way I can do so is luck into a great build.
echo radish
Rail is like the second easiest
stuck field
idk i prefer stygius and the spear tbh
echo radish
But speed wise prolly fastest
sonic mural
Any tips for EM4 Hades with the rail gun, Demeter? Best I can do is half his fin...
zeus attack, poseidon dash, eris rail, cluster/triple + rocket + aphro/artemis special
sonic mural
yah it does like 1k damage
rugged smelt
Is cluster 3 in a row?
echo radish
Man I want hazard rocket
river rampart
Just shove the barrel into the enemies face and they're probably dead or really dead
river rampart
I would use hazard more but I use Eris aspect way too much
turbid needle
big targeting system fan here
sonic mural
I would use hazard more but I use Eris aspect way too much
i mean it still works kinda
you can iframe dash the special
and still get the buff
turbid needle
ye
sonic mural
ive never tried it but i can imagine massive damage
river rampart
That requires me to be good at iframe dashing
river rampart
lol
rugged smelt
zeus attack, poseidon dash, eris rail, cluster/triple + rocket + aphro/artemis s...
Thanks. I’ll try that but not sure how to handle a certain big animal that runs across the screen. And last phase Hades is tricky.
echo radish
Asterius gets rekt by lightning reflexes jolted
But also beyblasterius is something else
sonic mural
its still the same moveset u just gotta get used to the windup animation
echo radish
And the Shockwave
sonic mural
thats the same as hades shockwave tho
echo radish
It ruins me cause I have the ingrained the idea of running into his butt whenever he jumps
Also how do you guys deal with hades skulls on fo2
sonic mural
dash over them
echo radish
It always gets me when he starts putting out 4 or 5 skulls
If I can't take out his last quarter of hp quickly, and tank the skulls the run is usually over for me
sonic mural
kill them between phases?
echo radish
I've tried dashing but without Athena it's really hard to get through all the waves without getting hit
sonic mural
hades/athena call would work too
echo radish
Killing was what I was sticking with but then I'm not attacking him and that's just prolonging the fight
sonic mural
when he goes invis thats a good opportunity to kill the
sonic mural
hide in the little space to the sides
echo radish
Huh does it not reach there?
sonic mural
some wont
echo radish
Ooh that's sounds useful, I'll try it next time
sonic mural
ye the skulls r pretty annoying especially when ur on top of him during lasers and you cant dash
rare kindle
How good is lightning rod?
charred moss
With appropriate melee and Zeus boons......... Very good. By itself..... Meh.
rare kindle
I was attempting a Zeus cast build on poseidon sword so I got offered it
coarse moss
How good is lightning rod?
even if your build wants to pick up the bloodstone immediately, it will add good damage imo. cant think of reason to skip it unless you really need the other options
turbid needle
free obols at a pool of purging
balmy portal
is lightning rod the legendary?
runic jetty
no
balmy portal
okay then ^^
runic jetty
its a combo of artemis and zeus
opal lodge
one thing to note is that rod decreases the pickup range of bloodstones
like significantly
runic jetty
Hunting Blades Is probably my favorite
I like seeing it with extra loaded fill up the whole screen for one poor enemy
echo radish
Meme beam meme beam!
runic jetty
yeah fr
if you can pull the extra DPS Ares boon
I assume it just obliterates anything
echo radish
I mean demeter's meme beam
runic jetty
oh the ice crystal
echo radish
Which keeps going pop every few seconds until REAP WHAT YOU SOW
runic jetty
Stubborn Roots is kinda dope tho ngl
runic jetty
arent they same as legendary.
I mean technically Easier to get
but doesnt the game compare the two
river rampart
aspect of rama with twin shot
river rampart
does hermes atk speed event affect bow
runic jetty
think so
charred moss
Zeus keepsake take attack, Poseidon keepsake take special, roll Fated until you get it. You have appropriate mirror perks?
Also, if you didn't know, I'm pretty sure that trial rooms don't offer duo boons.
opal lodge
can confirm they do not
crimson mango
What are the factors I need to consider between 2 keepsakes, Evergreen Acorn and Spiked Collar
balmy portal
average damage per hit
echo radish
Doesnt collar also get better the more defiances you have
balmy portal
yeah; also the % defiance is returning, etc.
echo radish
Also boons like positive Outlook
balmy portal
and I think all the health restore is % max based
like the values the items spawn at
maybe not the foods
rare kindle
Do you guys ever feel awkward about forcing a fifth god into your build?
echo radish
No not really
rare kindle
Like, I was going for heart rend artemis cast poseidon sword, but I got 4 gods before I left tartarus, none of them aphrodite
They were all pretty good for survivability and cast stuff in general, but none of their duos affected artemis cast specifically
echo radish
It's only awkward when I have a very specific build in mind and I'm fudging the chances of getting the duos I need
rare kindle
Yeah, mirage shot was a good duo, but I needed something that would scale with bosses as well later on
regal garden
is having 5 gods in your build not a good idea
then again i just kind of pick as many gods as i can while not ruining the build for those damage bonuses
so i probably don't play with the number of gods optimally
rare kindle
5+ gods is good for family favorite
regal garden
yeah i use that
rare kindle
Just gotta be careful with their synergies
regal garden
yeah i try to
pliant anvil
I would say I would rather focus on one or two gods to get the duos/legendaries I want than as many gods as possible
heady peak
Which upgrade do you recommend as the 2nd hammer for Lucifer Rail?
https://i.imgur.com/PFFVGI8.png
pliant anvil
obviously that's not always doable, but I will try and avoid gods I specifically do not want
pliant anvil
Which upgrade do you recommend as the 2nd hammer for Lucifer Rail?
https://i.img...
I like piercing fire personally
balmy portal
each god adds 5% bonus damage 🙂
pliant anvil
IIRC it goes through shields and the armor bonus is pretty nice
heady peak
Yeah, I don't remember using triple beam on Luci so I wondered what you guys think
pliant anvil
each god adds 5% bonus damage 🙂
yeah, but it's only 5% additive, so it's really not very much unless you're doing a cast build
balmy portal
yeah
regal garden
while having like good boons
pliant anvil
yeah, 5% per, but it isn't very much even overall
regal garden
big damage
balmy portal
but the +5% damage/100 gold is also only +60% additive if you save up 1200 gold 😛
heady peak
I like piercing fire personally
I'll take piercing then. Thanks 😄
balmy portal
which ... also isn't very much
pliant anvil
because if you have say, aphro attack at 125% and 5 gods, it's only a total of 150%
rare kindle
It's constant and doesn't require constantly applying statuses unlike the flipside
pliant anvil
I mean, so is aphro attack/special
Oh, you mean PS
yeah, PS is a very niche thing though
mostly for cast builds iirc
pliant anvil
ew why
rare kindle
I think like 3 gods offer statuses right away, while the rest require prereqs
regal garden
its so good against theseus and asterius
pliant anvil
drunken dash is so bad
regal garden
its good
pliant anvil
it really isn't
balmy portal
drunken dash isn't the worst dash ever because it pulses a few stacks on
regal garden
ive found it to be effective is all im saying
pliant anvil
I'd rather have divine dash in the case
regal garden
maybe not as mcuh as that
balmy portal
you don't always get the dash you want, yo
pliant anvil
I'd actively avoid drunken dash though
rare kindle
drunken dash is probably good at removing damage control
regal garden
ridiculous blade rift dash i had that was legendary boon boosted but
balmy portal
I actively avoid almost all the drunken things
pliant anvil
I honestly can't think of a dash I want less than drunken
even ares would be better imo
pliant anvil
maaaaaybe zeus?
Nah artemis is really good with her attack
because the damage stacks together
her dash is niche too though
but I'd still prefer it
regal garden
i mean ive found drunken dash more useful than artemis dash
pliant anvil
try any bow that's attack based like Rama or Zag
regal garden
because only one of them is going to help deal damaging over time against a stampeding minotaur i am fleeing from
pliant anvil
get arty attack and arty dash
then just do dash strikes
then lead it into a wall or pillar
better than stacking drunken dash on it
balmy portal
zeus dash is also pretty bad
rare kindle
You need a lot of additional zeus boons to make zeus dash worth it
rare kindle
Zeus always hogging the spotlight
rare kindle
You even get a unique voiceline when it works against bosses, so I'd say yes
regal garden
cool
i used it against hades after getting it from styx
it was really satisfying ngl that was such a good build
drifting vale
@rare kindle the cooldown is only on specials
Zeus isnt bad but he needs to be the primary boon you get
frail schooner
Thunder Dash is pretty bad, but Lightning Reflexes is pretty good
regal garden
yeah that's good
drifting vale
Hes all about solo
frail schooner
lightning reflexes works well with divine or splash dash imo
regal garden
i find uh with malphon fists
rare kindle
The only two dashes I ever want are splash dash or divine dash
regal garden
attack boon from zeus works
like if you work on the chain lightingning as well
gives it some range
frail schooner
The only two dashes I ever want are splash dash or divine dash
no love for pashdash?
drifting vale
Try out other builds with other dashes there is nothing bad in hades
rare kindle
it's so much harder to dodge projectiles with the other dashes, even if they enable a bunch of duos
frail schooner
"there is nothing bad in hades" except nourished soul
regal garden
depends on your other stuff though
frail schooner
and distant memory
regal garden
if its like the bow
rare kindle
what's so bad about nourished soul?
regal garden
you can special a range of projectiles
frail schooner
just that lc4 is always on
drifting vale
Not even nourished soul has saved me in styx before
frail schooner
so it does nothing and you can't sell it
drifting vale
Thats not a reason to say it's bad because you turned its ability off
regal garden
what does nourished soul do
drifting vale
Increased healing, get healing now
balmy portal
nourished soul is kinda meh
frail schooner
that decreases your dps in most cases
balmy portal
it seems like it should be so good but...
frail schooner
so that's pretty bad
drifting vale
Peer pressure is real awkward one ill give you that
balmy portal
death defiance kinda makes nourished soul junkier
rare kindle
Yeah, peer pressure doesn't do much
frail schooner
nourished soul doesnt increase DD's healing im pretty sure
rare kindle
I wonder if that's supergiant sending us a subliminal message to not give into peer pressure
balmy portal
nourished soul doesnt increase DD's healing im pretty sure
exactly, that's why nourished soul is pretty meh
pliant anvil
and distant memory
drunken dash too
frail schooner
drunken dash has a use at least
rare kindle
I feel like it doesn't increase healing of stubborn roots either
frail schooner
it removes DC hearts
drifting vale
Peer pressure is really a way to proc privileged status
pliant anvil
I wouldn't say that stops it from being bad though
tough pebble
what do you guys say would be the best boons on guan yu?
regal garden
what about peer pressure
rare kindle
I think the only healing it increases are well items and food
balmy portal
okay
frail schooner
nourished soul affects everything that LC affects
pliant anvil
what do you guys say would be the best boons on guan yu?
arty or aphro special, then the reverse on attack for heartrend imo
frail schooner
and nothing else
rare kindle
Like how life affirmation only improves room centaur hearts (not even thanatos and dionysus's nectar)
drifting vale
@tough pebble i find special builds to be the most fun on gy
balmy portal
the reason nourished soul is bad is because it would be better to just take dio's "wells heal you to full and you gain X%" damage.
frail schooner
life affirmation seems to improve charon's shop hearts too unless I'm just misremembering
drifting vale
Thats a terrible rationale to say nourished soul is bad
balmy portal
why?
because something does what I want from it but better
so yeah
if you need healing right then, sure take nourished soul
frail schooner
oh also hunter dash is underrated
balmy portal
yeah
drifting vale
Hunter dash is appreciated properly in speed runs
balmy portal
demeter has a lot of much better boons, too
frail schooner
Last Stand is a weird boon since it's basically a worse version of Deathless Stand
drifting vale
Eh i think of them as 2 ways to get extra dd
frail schooner
Yeah but the +10-14% hp is just straight up better since both give a DD
drifting vale
Since you can't hold 2 of the same boon
frail schooner
I'm not really saying it needs a change it's just weird
drifting vale
Fair
frail schooner
another weird one is frozen touch, great boon but why in god's name is it pommable
drifting vale
Consistency really
rare kindle
You can pom the other revenge boons
frail schooner
maybe they could improve the pom scaling to make it not feel completely useless
rare kindle
Very niche but you might be going for a revenge build using vengeful mood
frail schooner
first pom takes dmg from 10 to 30 instead of 10 to 14
frail schooner
I would say that you probably don't want arctic blast if you run frozen touch tho
frail schooner
I find it more useful for when you don't have a Demeter core and it just slows a boss down so it kills you less
echo radish
Decay better
drifting vale
Pairing it with vengeful mood can be a lot of room clear
echo radish
Blast is good when you're overdoing the freeze
frail schooner
Killing Freeze is insane
frail schooner
i only take arctic blast if I'm doing memebeam tbh
drifting vale
I don't know the exact number but it's definitely useful against bosses
frail schooner
It increases memebeam dps by a ton
Since arctic blast is 80 base it's almost double
drifting vale
Thats one way
If you get the chance try out vengeful mood with frozen touch and artic blast
frail schooner
how does vengeful mood pick what enemy to frozen touch
drifting vale
Any in range
frail schooner
vengeful mood would be more fun if taking damage didn't reset the timer
echo radish
Just block with aegis and call it a day
balmy portal
...I think they were saying it bothered them for all the boons
not specifically frozen touch
drifting vale
Im so tired of the just use x weapon and/or x boon and/or x hammer argument its flawed and boring
Yeah i got that
But it's the only way you can keep the mental timer
balmy portal
...what
that's so not true
any musician can keep a beat going in their head
so non-musicians can too 😛
drifting vale
You just love being toxic huh
frail schooner
you don't play hades with a metronome?
drifting vale
What im saying is
balmy portal
I'm not the one assuming bad faith in points being made, yo
frail schooner
well i would just rather have the "weaker" options have their stats slightly adjusted so that more variety is possible
balmy portal
^
drifting vale
Why does it bother them that the timer resets
frail schooner
but i guess that might make the game too easy with AP2 and stuff
balmy portal
that's always my issue with trying to discuss balance
the "this is good in X situation" being used as if one niche use makes that boon acceptable compared to the others
tawdry marsh
This is away from the conversation being had but I just got through a run with the big explosion hammer for exagrif and it’s actually insane
balmy portal
hazard zone is amazing
regal garden
which one is exagrif
tawdry marsh
Rail gun
drifting vale
Gun
regal garden
ah the adamant rail
frail schooner
i thought you meant explosive fire for a second and i was like... you thought explosive fire was op?
regal garden
big fan of that
echo radish
I like explosive with dio
tawdry marsh
I mean whichever one just makes the explosion bigger
frail schooner
hazard bomb?
regal garden
yeah i know which one you mean
tawdry marsh
And 300% more damage
regal garden
hazard bomb yeah
tawdry marsh
I think that’s it
frail schooner
ya hazard bomb is fun
drifting vale
My issue is that people consider niche bad
Its not inherently bad because its not the literal best thing ever
If there was only the best then there would be no variety
balmy portal
...
frail schooner
vengeful mood just is really underwhelming for the amount of boons it requires
balmy portal
so you're saying if every boon were equally balanced you wouldn't need to play differently based on the set of boons you found?
drifting vale
See thats a fair reason
tawdry marsh
I got lucky and got an epic Artemis boon for the special plus a chaos buff and it one shot the mini bone hydra things the boss spawns
balmy portal
because that's what "there would be no variety" implies to me
turbid needle
oh this again
tawdry marsh
Annihilated theseus too
balmy portal
hazard zone is real questionable if you're running eris 😛
hope you're good at timing your dodges
frail schooner
hazard bomb eris isn't that bad once you get used to it
turbid needle
it does like
drifting vale
Theres no point in trying to explain something to someone that doesnt want to see the other side
frail schooner
i take hazard when i see it
tawdry marsh
I haven’t had the titan blood to unlock Eris yet, remind me what it does?
balmy portal
that's why I've not tried to explain things
bonus damage when standing in your explosion
tawdry marsh
Ah
frail schooner
bonus damage on literally everything btw
turbid needle
+15n% global damage for 4 seconds after getting hit with your special
n being level
tawdry marsh
That’s dope
frail schooner
its funny how urge to kill and blood frenzy both exist
turbid needle
hestia is my personal fav but erith is cool too
frail schooner
as if you would ever take urge to kill if ares offers you blood frenzy
balmy portal
blood frenzy is fun with gloves to chain special one shots
frail schooner
blood frenzy is the SD one which I'm pretty sure is
regal garden
is blood frenxy damage after a defy
turbid needle
the boon that gives like +10% to attack cast n special
turbid needle
if that was multiplicative it would be good
balmy portal
the 100-200% after kill
frail schooner
urge to kill = +10% additive to a/c/s
bloodf renzy = SD 15% bonus dmg
battle rage = 100% after kill
balmy portal
a lot of the low % boosts would be good if multiplicative 😛
tawdry marsh
Oh yeah how come Athena’s death defy buff replenishes one use but not Ares
frail schooner
blood frenzy is multiplicative i think
regal garden
what does sd mean
frail schooner
stubborn dfeinace
turbid needle
it also works with DD
frail schooner
not as well
turbid needle
strategic DD loss
balmy portal
how does it not work as well with DD?
frail schooner
cause you die every chamber with SD so you always do more damage
river rampart
hmm its hard to tell between a dash attack and the first normal on arthur i keep trying to do the stuff yall mentioned(working btw) but i keep getting messed up by that
regal garden
yeah it's good for bosses
balmy portal
...not like it's a big % anyway
frail schooner
bonus dmg = less TD stuff tho
turbid needle
dash strike Arthur is cool u just gotta get in a rhythm
echo radish
@river rampart the only advice I can give is dont try it with fo
turbid needle
hunting blades
rare kindle
I like curse of drowning on Achilles
sonic mural
zeus cast, artemis attack, serrated edge/flurry jab
heady peak
Assuming the final boss has 17,000 hp, Artemis' Call hits for 8000+ lol
||https://imgur.com/dg1CY7w||
It really pays off to push the damage increases (oops urge to kill doesn't do anything here)
half a bar just went poof like that
https://i.imgur.com/sBnuIMR.png
https://i.imgur.com/jAIPK3M.png
warped hound
Can someone explain how does Targeting System work
Enemies in bomb AoE take more damage until the bomb lands?
cunning urchin
@heady peak Hades has 22,000 max HP in each phase in EM4.
Targeting System applies a debuff that lasts for some seconds. Not sure how long exactly.
heady peak
<@!240248413701013505> Hades has 22,000 max HP in each phase in EM4.
Thank you.
warped hound
Applies upon hitting the bomb?
cunning urchin
It applies when you're firing.
warped hound
Cuz the description is as vague as it gets
cunning urchin
There's a very visible graphics effect on the enemies when they're debuffed.
echo radish
It applies as soon as you target
They immediately become slow so it becomes even easier to hit special
gusty rapids
its vague but yeah it applies as soon as you fire
it doesnt wait till the bomb lands
and yeah what nyaanyaa said, you can see the graphic.
warped hound
What are best boons for aspect of rama?
Dio/Zeus for special, Aphro/Deme/Arte attack
Then just build whatever scalable stats you can
Rama is all about how well you play it and how high you can scale your attack damage
elder lava
Is there a way to self cast btw? Would only be useful for the damage boost gun anyway
When I wanna use special on myself sometimes instead of aiming at an enemy and making my way to them
frosty crane
Suggestions for my first runs with Guan Yu? Like damn, that hp maximum hit is gruesome.
Any hammer updates or boons I should try to combo?
sonic juniper
Charged Skewer, Heart Rend. Also, it's much better with more Titan Blood.
echo radish
so if i crit on rama attack do shared suffering people also take percentage of crit damage
fair cairn
yep, it takes percentage of whatever damage you actually do to the other target
stone mango
what should i spent my first 5 titan's blood on?
is Aspect of Zeus any good?
for shield, blitz disc
echo radish
huh idk i think zeus lv1 is a very good investment
and i disagree about the learning curve
its easily one of the easiest weapons to play
stone mango
what should I get then?
kindred rapids
Do you have all of the weapons unlocked?
echo radish
what weapon do you like
echo radish
I'd say zeus for easy cheesy wins
just slap on zeus special on it and you're golden
nemesis sword is pretty good too if you like swords
and then there's eris rail
upgrading zag aspect of fists is also good cause its very good with plume once you max it
fair cairn
sword: nemesis or poseidon are all good
spear: achilles or even zag. I personally hate hades
shield: zeus if you only have 5 blood. Chaos is very powerful but needs 12+ blood investment
bow: hera > chiron at low levels. Chiron at low levels frankly suck
fists: zag, talos and demeter are all good (demeter a bit less so at lv1)
rail: both eris and hestia are wonderful
gusty rapids
hestia is SO good
it might need higher levels to work best tho i havent played it at low levels
echo radish
hestia bad at low level
fair cairn
eris is a bit better at lv1, hestia scales better
stone mango
are there easier ways to farm blood?