which is a better tier 2 zeus, the larger area of strike or chance of double strike
#h1-builds-and-combat
coarse moss
double
keen mesa
I would take double
honest wing
yea I took the same
random niche
dubble
honest wing
especially with rama special you dont need anymore crowd control
also does the lightning strike for each arrow?
or one "hit" of the special only?
honest wing
yea that's a shame about chiron
honest wing
yea the internal cooldown might affect things
coarse moss
with chiron the lighting happens 3 times. theres better options, but zeus isnt so bad
opal lodge
double is insane
lightning special with rama is still nice because it can split to other targets
honest wing
I seem to be doing good tho, with the hermes faster special and jolted with aphro attack to trigger priv status, I just melted alecto
have the +4 special shots hammer too
opal lodge
rama?
honest wing
yes
opal lodge
yeah what im saying is this build used to be very popular
opal lodge
people realized powershots are good
honest wing
also why is the zeus aphro duo so trash
opal lodge
smoldering air is insanely good
honest wing
people realized powershots are good
and went for artemis crit builds?
opal lodge
just depends on your call
keen mesa
Smoldering Air is amazing...
random niche
if your're rocking billowing strength and the hermes one, than spamming one bar of call is amazing
honest wing
ah
keen mesa
You gain 5% per second, which means you can use your call once every 5 seconds.
honest wing
ok I didn't know that, just read it
keen mesa
You just can't use the full call ability
coarse moss
bar fills up in 5 secs if you do nothing. if youres activeling fighting, much quicker
honest wing
aphro call would be cool with that
turbid needle
Yeah, they had to axe that.
random niche
I think I have a bug with mirage shot or something making it so my flood flare on Beowulf isn't knocking ANYThing back.
opal lodge
flood flare knockback is a bit weird
it doesnt really knock things back all that much
but itll still apply the effects
noble tiger
So do Yarn of Ariadne affect the same boon you find if you have multiple?
Cus i currently have 2 yarns, and the one from eurydice that upgrads rarity
turbid needle
There should be a use marker underneath the Yarn in your Boon menu.
manic kernel
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opal lodge
only 1 yarn will be used per boon
the second yarn will apply to the next boon you find
cunning urchin
Start with Flood and go for Blizzard Shot or Mirage Shot (ideally both), or start with Deadly Strike to go for Support Fire and Mirage Shot, Crystal Clarity, or Hunting Blades. Very solid builds.
noble tiger
yeah i just figured that out
cunning urchin
what happened to it
Attack charge time was buffed a lot on all bows.
honest wing
ah
cunning urchin
Rama's Special also went through several iterations to get to what it is now.
opal lodge
how is deadly strike talos? i feel like thats kind of just hoping for conc/heavy knucc no?
turbid needle
It leads you into CC/HB, at least.
keen mesa
When I first started playing and saw all the locked tiles under keepsakes, I thought for sure it meant that once I unlocked all the keepsakes, I could choose 5 to use all at once, rofl
turbid needle
That would be pretty sick and really busted.
cunning urchin
@opal lodge it gets you Support Fire, Mirage Shot . . . and it benefits a bit more from the +50% damage than other Attack boons.
Also more from Breaching Cross or Rolling Knuckle, in fact.
opal lodge
fair point
ill have to try it
havent played much talos outside of drunk strike meme builds recently
turbid needle
Someone pointed out to me recently that dropping a Cold Embrace on a Talos'd enemy puts the Cast inside them.
Could rock that with Glacial Glare for instant PS and slow.
cunning urchin
Inside them?
turbid needle
Not lodged.
cunning urchin
I've been meaning to try Deadly Flourish start sometime.
@proven osprey you're right. I won't actually do it. 
turbid needle
keen mesa
extreme measures 2 is brutal...
past raven
Just wait for extreme measures 4
keen mesa
is that coming out or something? o.O
little quiver
can someone explain how the gods get selected for my boons?
im wondering weather i can force more zeus boons besides the initial one. really want to try a full static built
random niche
EM4 unlockable from the contractor later
little quiver
started a few runs with him but i get a lot of other gods and only 1 or 2 additional zeus boons
frail schooner
If you want to force a lot of zeus boons run Authority
And make sure to get 4 gods as early as possible
And fill all your core boons
random niche
Drake, you'll keep getting offered new gods until you fill up your main slots ^^
frail schooner
You have a higher chance to see zeus again. when you have at least 4 gods
coarse moss
you can take unwanted gods early and purge later
little quiver
makes sense, ive mostly just taken passive boons from the other gods
frail schooner
if you want to get more boons from 1 god make sure you have dark foresight and fated authority
coarse moss
so if i just take 4 different gods ill get boons from those 4 mostly?
in a single run only 4 gods will appear (unless you force the 5th one with a keepsake but that will only appear once)
little quiver
ah ok, well im currently farming some darkness for authority
frail schooner
in a single run only 4 gods will appear (unless you force the 5th one with a kee...
You can get 5 and 6 naturally as well it’s just a much lower chance
random niche
This is Hermes erasure
opal lodge
you can get 5 naturally in rare cases, not sure about 6
frail schooner
Germes is separate
opal lodge
germes
tame bison
Hermès evil twin.
coarse moss
apologize to hermes best cousin
cunning urchin
You can see 6 or more naturally, yeah.
frail schooner
well 10 god run existing would either require 5 gods in tartarus or natural 6 by end of asphodel
cunning urchin
Bright01 did a 10 god run.
frail schooner
so you can force 7 and 8 in elysistyx
opal lodge
hate that guy
cunning urchin
It's the Extra Challenge for the Monthly Challenge, actually.
opal lodge
but yeah i only saw 5 natural and then forced 3
frail schooner
you saw all 5 in tart?
frail schooner
fathority op?
coarse moss
lol wow
opal lodge
only way to get all 10 afaik
i should probably reupload the run but its kind of meme gameplay
i picked triple explosive shot on rama
with tempest strike
for max meme
frail schooner
next do 10 god run on 32 heat
opal lodge
that sounds like a lot of work with no payoff
tame bison
Is Double edge or shadow slash better on Arthur? Bc the dash strike on Arthur isn’t as amazing
turbid needle
I thought after the limit was 5.
opal lodge
dash striking on arthur requires a radically different playstyle
turbid needle
4 primary Olympians and Hermes.
6 and above requires getting all 4 in Tartarus and then forcing more with Keepsakes.
opal lodge
well you can get 5 in the corner case i mentioned
then you can force one in asphodel for 6, one in elysium for 7, and one in styx for 8
frail schooner
hmmm
i wonder if it’s possible to force 7 by elysium before unlocking demeter
what would theseus do
opal lodge
good question
pine flax
What do I need to make Chron aspect do more dmg? I always feel like I'm lacking in dmg by Elysium
turbid needle
Is it level 5?
turbid needle
Poseidon and Aphrodite are good options.
sonic mural
^ dio special only really used/"optimal" in higher heats, but those are the best options
random niche
Yeah posiedon wall slams and the associated boons up the damage potential alot
I tried to build chiron special for the doom stacking boon and curse of longing and it was very lackluster
sonic mural
otherwise just standard heartrend build
pine flax
oh ill try aphro attack with dio special
that sounds neat
and i can use priv status for once
sonic mural
at low heats its kinda a bit worse than heartrend since dio only stacks up to 6
but high heats when you can just apply it, then focus on dodging, they're both viable
pine flax
Does hangover dmg get scaled by priv status?
cunning urchin
I wouldn't go so far as to call Drunken Flourish optimal.
turbid needle
It's only better for JS, right?
cunning urchin
Potentially, yes. There are a lot of factors involved.
sonic mural
im not calling it the optimal choice im saying when using it, the optimal case to use it is at high heats
frail schooner
so does hunters mark do anything on chiron
sonic mural
yah so basically, it makes it so that after you deal Critical damage to a foe, a foe near it is Marked.
frail schooner
yeah but chiron doesn’t really alternate hits
opal lodge
you can
frail schooner
so it’ll boost the crit chance on the first of 8 arrows if i’m not mistaken
opal lodge
and marked always at least does something
little quiver
how many rooms are in a biome?
sonic mural
tart - 12, asph - 6, ely- 8 before each final shop
little quiver
ty
opal lodge
boss room for tartarus is 14, boss room for asphodel is 24, boss room for elysium is 36
frail schooner
so it’s like not as good as some weapon where you could trade off hits or hit multiple enemies at once, right?
opal lodge
no probably not
frail schooner
Technically 30% mark does more than 3% PP but only if you alternate volleys between enemies every time (or are one hitting)
Plus PP is much better there against bosses
So i think it’s probably better to take that as artemis t2
Of course support fire exists too and probably adds even more damage than PP
full dew
is there a general consensus on if rarity or level up of boons is better , like is eurdicies option of upgrade rarity of 2 and level up 4?
keen mesa
I almost always take rarity upgrade
unless I have exactly 4 boons that I definitely want to level up
which is much more rare...
if I have like 2 boons and they're already heroic somehow, then I take the next rarity boon option
pine helm
Yeah pom pile is just kind of hard to set up, and even in the situation that I have 4 boons I'd like to get better I still might take option 1.
tame bison
If you haven’t seen any Hermes boons, the rarity upgrade is really nice. Always take it if I haven’t seen Hermes yet
pine helm
Option 3 (future rarity upgrade) is also fairly nice, and definitely good if you got boons that don't level/upgrade well
turbid needle
Since it was pointed out to me that RN increases Duo/Legendary spawn rate I've found myself taking it much more frequently.
Honestly, it's practically the most balanced option of the 3 NPCs.
pine helm
Sisyphus is also pretty well balanced in the early game tbf, but eurydice is always pretty well balanced
patty'd be pretty balanced if it weren't for Kiss Premium
turbid needle
Well, that's the thing with Pat.
full dew
pat i always take death defiiances unless i have them all, then i take health
turbid needle
There's clear delineations between all of his options and there's virtually no overlap or weighing like you would with Eurydice.
If you're missing DDs or running high Heat SD, Styx, always.
full dew
ive never run SD
turbid needle
Basically the only time you take the Jerky is if you're on an already OP run and just want to boost it even more.
full dew
im only at around 20 heat, i dont run the risk of dying in 90% of rooms
full dew
yeah crit machine gun is great fun
turbid needle
And even then, if you're not running an Attack-centric build you're just better off taking the HydraLite.
keen mesa
my casts crit for 721
forest marsh
Hey @queen talon, this belongs in #self-promotion 
little quiver
got any recommendations for the sword? im really struggling with the weapon
got nemesis and the zag aspect unlocked so far
little quiver
on the attack or special?
keen mesa
attack
keen mesa
meh
little quiver
the sword combo just feels really slow and a bit awkward to me
turbid needle
The sword combo is slow and awkward.
If you've got a maxed Zag Aspect and you come into Cruel Thrust it's not bad, but otherwise you just want to be Dash-Striking and Nova Smashing.
little quiver
well i got both zag and nemesis maxed so far
tame bison
Dash strike doesn’t get crit % benefit from Nemesis or does it?
little quiver
no idea, i think it does tho
forest marsh
It certainly does
little quiver
since almost all attack% things worked on dash attack so far
forest marsh
Dash-strike spam is pretty much the meta on Nemesis
opal lodge
^
turbid needle
There's a couple of Hammers for Stygius that very specifically only affect your Attack, though Breaching Slash is not one of them.
opal lodge
your combo on nem is just special > dash strike x2
pine flax
what do i pair w ith talos?
cunning urchin
your combo on nem is just special > dash strike x2
Throw in a cast in that rotation.
cunning urchin
i should cast > dash attack x2 more if i have a dece cast
Even with base cast. Your Dash-Strikes will do more damage, and your Special CD will allow for another action anyway.
If you're not casting or at least pressing Attack, you're wasting Special CD time doing nothing.
opal lodge
do you have a clip? you can usually just special > double dash strike and repeat without interruption right?
i just cant really visualize what youre describing
gusty rapids
^same
cunning urchin
No, there's a short gap between your Dash-Strikes and your Special.
stark spade
Skeet
opal lodge
so youre saying you should dash strike x2> cast> special? im lost
cunning urchin
Special > Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is what I do most.
opal lodge
makes sense
molten yacht
Is Exclusive Access the most broken boons of the game? Took it on Tartarus and the build is just insane
cunning urchin
No, but it's good if you can get it early.
keen mesa
Divine Dash is the msot broken boon in the game...
turbid needle
i thought tidal dash was really good?
keen mesa
It's fun, but deflect is amazing
turbid needle
i agree that the deflect from divine dash can reflect the petrification stuff from those mobs
and it reflects everything
Which is the best of the base shield aspects? I'm not too sure which to put a titan blood into
beo is good at lv 1
That must be the hidden aspect I don't have that one unlocked
turbid needle
Might try that on my next shield run then, I'm already off into Tartarus haha
Gave up and got it, time to test it out
molten yacht
Divine Dash is the msot broken boon in the game...
It's extremely good, but I would rather have everything epic than divine dash
dry ember
keen mesa
ambrosia and epic rare crop yeah
tame bison
So earlier someone said you always get offered 4 gods (plus Hermes i assume?) at baseline. What happens if you completely ignore one of the 4 you’re offered in Tartarus? Will that same god still come back or a new one
keen mesa
but with some lucky trades I suppose you could get like 6-7 heroics possibly...
opal lodge
So earlier someone said you always get offered 4 gods (plus Hermes i assume?) at...
you have a 1/8 chance of being offered any non hermes olympian before 4
after 4 it's a 1/4 chance for any of those four olympian
tame bison
Ah so the same ones from Tartarus will keep coming back once they’ve been chosen
I can’t just ignore it so it goes away
turbid needle
if only Storm Lightning were useful as it leveled
lucid moth
what are the easiest conditions for pact of punishment heat 8
turbid needle
Different players find different settings easier and harder.
Rather than ask that your hand be held, experiment and find out what's best for you.
You'll learn quicker that way, too.
lucid moth
im just asking for an opinion
turbid needle
"Easiest" heat is subjective. What I find easiest you may find hardest.
You can't know until you've tried.
lucid moth
k thx for the help
coarse moss
extreme measures 2, tight deadline 1 are like freebies to me. not sure how much heat that add up to though
i also never turn off forced ovetime 2
past raven
6 I think
lucid moth
true i tried extreme measure 3 that was horrible
coarse moss
oops i mean forced overtime 1
lucid moth
btw whats forced overtime?
coarse moss
fast enemy
lucid moth
im in a run rn so i cant check
past raven
Forced overtime 2 is pretty easy
lucid moth
fast enemy
oh ok thx
past raven
Use tight deadline 2
lucid moth
any advice on gold theseus fight. the one with a chariot
keen mesa
minotaur will wreck you with whirlwind -- avoid that
theseus is probably actually easier
keen mesa
if you want a free kill on Thesus Extreme, put Jolted on him rofl
or rupture
he'll kill himself
lucid moth
I find FO one of the hardest by far.
whats FO again?
past raven
If you have a companion use it
lucid moth
i have maxed skelly
tame bison
Forced overtime
lucid moth
oh ok
past raven
I have Thanatos and using that in the regular fight takes away about half of their health
Not sure if they have more in em though
lucid moth
ok changing the subject does charm affect bosses?
coarse moss
makes boss stop attacking for like a second or so
lucid moth
k
lucid moth
what are his
opal lodge
yeah poseidon really takes the cake for worst leg
gusty rapids
second wave and huge catch
coarse moss
hey i love fishing ok
wicked flame
I will not hear this slander of mr fishman
lucid moth
greater recall?
no the one called bad news
gusty rapids
bad news is fantastic with the right casts
opal lodge
bad news is quite good on beowulf
lucid moth
bad news is big when you use dio cast
no because they dont even go inside the enemies
gusty rapids
that just means u get a flat 50% damage increase
lucid moth
bad news is only good on stuff like poseidon casts things like that
gusty rapids
which is phenomenal
opal lodge
yup lol
past raven
I use the mirror upgrade that gives you a 3 second cooldown on a cast
lucid moth
wow i didnt even know
past raven
It’s pretty much the same thing as having hermes boon aside from the 3 second cooldown
lucid moth
i hate fighting in asphodel
past raven
You can still have 3 casts deployed at once
lucid moth
how?
opal lodge
of course bad news is overshadowed by the fact that there is a 20 obol well item that does the same thing
lucid moth
the 3 second cooldown only allows 1
gusty rapids
lmao bright
past raven
No
opal lodge
running stygian means that every extra cast you get is worth that much more
past raven
You can have 3 in enemies at once
lucid moth
oh yea
opal lodge
whether from chaos, prometheus stones, or fully loaded
past raven
You really don’t need extra casts that much
You still get 3 they just automatically come back and have a 3 second cooldown
coarse moss
having 1 more cast means you fire it twice the rate
lucid moth
have you guys got the hammer thing where the blade has lifesteal
tame bison
I have, why do you ask
turbid needle
Okay Aspect of Zeus on the shield actually made that weapon fun for me
Poor Hades had no chance in hell
lucid moth
lets go i just beat heat 8
proven osprey
So this is the path you have chosen
lucid moth
it inflicted charm which only ressets boss attacks but the resets were sooo good
proven osprey
it's a nice way to cancel their attack too
lucid moth
ikr
it destroyed hades second stage attacks like the one where he makes fire beams
it was intenso tho cuz the timer was running out (i used tight deadline)
sonic mural
u can just go in close to hades when he does lasers
the lasers start a bit away from his body
so you can get free dps that way
lucid moth
oh ok
lucid moth
wow heat 8 gives an interesting statue...
keen mesa
I just can't understand how Hestia rail is good
yes, 150 base damage is insanely better than 10
but it's purely single target
keen mesa
shot, reload, shot, reload... takes forever to clear a room
lucid moth
what do i get for heat 16 in the fated list thing
tame bison
That time when you have Guan Yu and only want Artemis special or dash bc you have 96% dash strike boon and you see none of them with all your rerolls. 😦
coarse moss
shot, reload, shot, reload... takes forever to clear a room
insane hestia room clears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mGM2VP70n4
keen mesa
I understand the DPS is crazy, I'm just bad with it, lol
coarse moss
what i learned from that, is you do tidal dash and specials when youre reloading
feral sail
ok ice wine duo bond SLAPS
tame bison
So if dash strike dmg is based off the %dmg of your attack boon...does that mean an Attack boon from Chaos boosts your dash strike? I would assume no bc the it makes no sense that chaos can give both atk and dash.
turbid needle
Yup.
tame bison
Err sorry I phrased my question poorly. Do you mean Yes an attack boon from Chaos will boost your dash strike dmg?
turbid needle
Yes, Chaos Strike boons boost all actions that use the Attack button.
tame bison
Huh interesting. I guess the Dash Strike boon from him is just more efficient. Like epic attack is 62% but common dash strike already 57%
turbid needle
Hunter Dash and Chaos Lunge boons uniquely boost Malphon's Dash-Special.
They're stronger but more limited in scope.
tame bison
Thoughts on Drunken Dash epic for Guan Yu dash strike build with Doom special? I got Serrated Point and chaos boon for dash. My other option here is Strong Drink in Asphodel.
Or positive outlook but blah
Common strong drink
It would be...9% minimum by hades so...eh?
coarse moss
a big % boon or arty might be better, but if you prefer to hit and run, dio works
oh sorry i thought it was drunken strike
tame bison
Yeah I think given serrated point getting drunken dash is not good here
coarse moss
def wanna try for hunter dash or maybe athena for safety
tame bison
I suppose the question then could be 140g vs Strong Drink for 3 fountains haha
And just sell the dash ASAP
turbid needle
Strong Drink is also a full heal.
I'd argue that makes it worth taking even in the fountain chamber if you need health.
keen mesa
So
I went into that fight with about uh, like 100 health
and ended with 14
because of the sheer damage reduction
pine flax
what is a good attack boon with talos aspect
keen mesa
40% less from arthur aura, 30% from different league
pine flax
posideon attack was not the move LOL
cunning urchin
@turbid needle I think this will help you if you want to be faster. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU
A lot of it is optimizing DPS rotations, knowing builds, taking every shop, Chaos Gate, and NPC to save time, and making sure you aggro everything in the room quickly.
bright sandal
Just wondering but what's the utility of the ||Hades|| call? Like, I just turn Invisible and enemies don't target me, which seems pretty underwhelming compared to the other aids, or am I missing something?
bright sandal
Oh, that actually seems like a perfect fit for my current run, Hera bow, although I imagine it's not great if you're not running burst damage like a Dionysus run
edgy steppe
yeah pretty much
turbid needle
So I realized I somehow managed to make it to Styx without picking a fourth primary Olympian, when I see Zeus and Poseidon taking the rare boon slot in both Charon's shop and one of the miniboss tunnels.
edgy steppe
forgive my lack of game knowledge, but how is that out of the ordinary?
turbid needle
It's not technically, but the game was giving primarily the three Olympians I've taken so far. I forgot I didn't technically have my run pool locked in.
Just a little annoying that those are going to be standalone boons that won't do anything for an otherwise complete build, and in the rarity-boosted slots, too.
turbid needle
I guess I could try Zeus for Billowing Strength?
Ugh, I literally ran Authority until launch.
edgy steppe
poseidon hydraulic might is great for clearing the tunnels
hushed ledge
I'm still on it but I'm finally at the point where I've finished the rest of my mirror and I'm starting to level persuasion
turbid needle
Too many runs where I just wouldn't get enough boons for the builds I was trying with a given Aspect, but new Dark Foresight is so strong it's easier, usually, to get the gods you need.
tame bison
Wow. Dash strike Guan Yu and I lost zero DD whole run? That’s rare for me lol
turbid needle
I think Serrated Point is better on Guan Yu than Hades, honestly.
hushed ledge
I'm gonna switch to persuasion once I get levels in it tbf, just getting bored of getting to do literally the same thing every run
tame bison
Yeah it was great and I only had epic Athena dash for lack of anything else
hushed ledge
Authority you can basically get 3 of the 4 A's every run if you want
turbid needle
EM4 question.
Does Hades automatically spin at you if you use his Call nearby him if he's not active?
I know he'll immediately do a 3rd if you fire it while he's winding down from the 2nd.
keen mesa
alright, time for aspect of demeter, first run, never used before...
tame bison
Arthur with Artemis special...double nova or Super nova or breaching slash? 15 heat so not high really
I guess just armor
Double nova is good with Artemis tho
vast yew
Hi, is there any Meta or tierlist for anything?
tame bison
As you’re starting out, most things work just fine. At higher difficulties there is a more defined meta
If you want to be more specific I could maybe help
vast yew
I started yesterday and want to try some "strong" build if they exist
I reached hades with some random stuff
tame bison
General advice is fast hitting weapons you want Zeus or Dio strike, slower weapons you want %dmg strikes like Aphrodite or Artemis
So the bow for example you want %dmg attacks and maybe a status on special (aside from certain aspects)
vast yew
yeah makes sense
tame bison
The Rail you want Zeus/Dio bc it attacks quickly but the special you want %dmg
What weapon do you like?
vast yew
I dont like rail at all it feels weird but its works really good tbh
I mean that is the weapon I reached hades with some minutes ago and I didnt even beat 3rd boss before (minotaurs + this dude)
I had the 6 bomb upgrade and tried to spam it and it worked
I think with athena upgrade
cosmic hornet
its hard to make meta tier list because there is no “right” way to play in the first place
the best weapon with minimum investment is imo hera
top speedrun weapon are afaik dem and eris
highest heat is done on hidden bow, trailed by zeus shield
vast yew
what?
cosmic hornet
basically
different weapon for different ways to play
since there’s no ‘standard’ way to play the game
vast yew
yeah sure but I thought there are some common combinations or builds
and keepsake stuff
cosmic hornet
the usual keepsake rotation goes like
god -> god -> acorn/purse -> acorn
top boon is undisputedly athena dash
vast yew
oh yeah I use that too alot
noticed it already xD
I never switch keepsakes tho or never tried, I want to level them first and I also have to collect most of them
ok not most of them, only 6 are missing
cosmic hornet
popular pick for boon combination for dps is artemis + Aphrodite duo, zeus + more zeus, and merciful end (very rng reliant)
vast yew
and what about the mirror?
cosmic hornet
that looks good
if you're aiming to buy blood/diamonds in the final shop
otherwise usually you want deep pockets
vast yew
the final shop is labyrinth?
cosmic hornet
the one before the final boss
vast yew
is hades the final boss?
cosmic hornet
yep
vast yew
also do you do all of the labyrinth stuff or just the ones you have to
cosmic hornet
i just take the ones i have too
unless i really want to buy something and is 100 gold short
vast yew
ok I will start a new run now, thank you very much for taking the time ^^
one last thing, what keepsakes should I level first?
noble tiger
the best starting ones are probably skelly, acorn, collar or dusa
keen mesa
my hammer options when I take Punishing Sweep...
my options when I take zag spear...
With Zag Spear I want Chain Skewer!
keen mesa
I took punishing sweep and flaring spin
because being sturdy while charging up is super useful
although quick spin makes that irrelevant
keen mesa
why would I take flurry jab with punishing sweep?
turbid needle
u cant
keen mesa
oh right
why would I take flurry jab with zag aspect? lol
I want special bonuses lol
turbid needle
bc its good
cunning urchin
Because it's the best hammer by far for Zag Aspect.
turbid needle
zag spear makes me want to cry
cunning urchin
Zag Spear's Special is weak even with Special hammers.
keen mesa
if I had chain skewer and the 50% damage/ 50% crit on return, it wouldn't be so bad
cunning urchin
Flurry Jab DPS is way superior anyway.
opal lodge
using the zag spear special is a trap
turbid needle
its miserable
sonic mural
building around spear special on any spear except for guan yu is kinda a trap
nocturne pivot
I like the special
opal lodge
special on hades can be ok if you get explosive launcher
because you can basically play GY
nocturne pivot
I don't like the health drop of gy
opal lodge
if you'll believe me it's not one of the major perks of the weapon
nocturne pivot
And i feel spin attack take too long to charge on every spear
turbid needle
hades aspect slaps boisterously
tame bison
Guan Yu has slowly grown on me. Love it now
cunning urchin
Get Passion Dash for Heart Rend.
turbid needle
heart rend :D
keen mesa
just got 122% backstab damage from chaos 😉
sonic juniper
My quickest T+A fight to date I think, around 25 seconds
https://streamable.com/7w3n95
Artemis + Dionysus on Rama
cunning heath
what do you guys usually pick at eurydice?
turbid needle
pom
turbid needle
rarity upgrade if I have few boons/2 Hermes already
the bottom one if my current boons r ass/irrelevant
pseudo stream
is Chiron good with Zeus special?
turbid needle
Not really.
internal cooldown hurts it a lot
There's a cooldown on Thunder Flourish.
pseudo stream
okay cool, wasn't sure if the shots were fast enough
turbid needle
dio schlapps on chiron special
pseudo stream
gimme a Chiron 32 heat appropriate build plz 😄
turbid needle
gl chiron kinda falls off at high heat
turbid needle
Every Aspect has been used for 32 Heat, at least.
I think every Aspect has been cleared at 40.
ripe glade
to clarify.. if Chaos offers me + special damage... does that apply to the hangover damage on my special also?
cunning urchin
No.
ripe glade
yeah thought so
sinful niche
Do you know if it's possible to get both the Cluster Bomb (Your Special fires a spread of 5 bombs, but each deals -30% damage.) as well as the Hazard Bomb (Your Special deals +300% base damage in a large area, but can hurt you.) upgrades to the rail at the same time?
turbid needle
nope
rare kindle
But you can get cluster bomb + rocket bomb, which is still really good
sinful niche
damn
turbid needle
ye
ripe glade
What's the story with the Trail of the Gods encounters?
I usually find if I ignore them.. I can get the build I hunt for
sonic mural
if you want 2 boons, you go there
sonic mural
ok
whats ur point?
its literally a room that gives 2 god boons
what do you want me to say
rare kindle
They can't give you duos but that's about it
ripe glade
exactly.. ignore the room.. many times.. I end up with the same 2 gods, in the next 2 or 3 rooms
and end up with their duo's
sinful niche
You do you man
keen jasper
What’s a fun boon to build around?
frosty crane
If you get the two at once you have... more stuff? In general?
ripe glade
Elussive Access
frosty crane
That seems like an obvious benefit
ripe glade
All boons are Epic
sinful niche
What’s a fun boon to build around?
Dash + doom :D
ripe glade
Fun build
keen jasper
Cool
ripe glade
I'm working with hangover on special and chill on attack on shiled.. working on the steam achievement right now... 30% withe butterfly
sonic juniper
2 boons > 1 boon, especially when you don't meet the conditions for a duo you want. Not much more to debate.
sonic mural
What’s a fun boon to build around?
ME - you can build any fast hitting weapon around this really
seastorm - lucifer + poseidon attack + this = supersoaker
dionysus cast - super fun in any cast build - possibility of zeus / demeter duo with it
ripe glade
it's a room clearer.. I'm at 26 already.. and just entered Aspho
sonic mural
what shield?
ripe glade
Chaos
started with getting hangover on special
and chill on attack
then getting shield returns on daud
pff... it's sick
getting cystal beams down too
so I can shift with beams.. and shield and slash
getting some art with the beams to give fast beams is just amazing
I don't hunt for boons... I hunt for builds..
ignore the trial of the gods rooms... it works
ripe glade
one boon can be ore powerful than 2
tame bison
1+1 = 2
1+0= 1
I created a mathematical proof for you to help.
ripe glade
whats the human equation?
1+1+human= ?
just try it sometime.. although it is tempting to take the rooms.. so many times I have give in to taken it
tame bison
So your logic was “I don’t go for boons, I go for builds.” Builds are made of...boons. Therefore...?
sonic mural
ok lets say you're looking for a poseidon boon
do you take the poseidon + aphro room to get the poseidon boon, and then extra?
or just the poseidon room...
ripe glade
next few runs you do.. don't take it.. 🙂
sonic mural
look dude what heat are you on 😀
tame bison
No. Because I passed algebra.
ripe glade
@sonic mural just the poseidon room.. usually don't hunt for it too soon..
cunning urchin
New boons will be from random gods until you have boons from at least 4 different gods. After that, any new boons will be only from the gods you already have.
Excluding Lord Hermes and Master Chaos.
ripe glade
I usually pick up about 7 gods along way.. I get some weak involved.. some revenge damage.. even some doom.. always like me an Ares call...
Usually I'm a duo hunter.. and at this stage.. I usually would have 5+ duo's by hades
even an legendary or two
sonic mural
actually trolling this channel lol
ripe glade
actually had 4 one time
sonic juniper
actually trolling this channel lol
Resist the temptation to take the bait
sonic mural
ill just block ig
ripe glade
guys I just love the game... and I really hope and support that it gets Game of the Year
tame bison
Is Poseidon cast awkward on Beowulf?
sonic juniper
No
sonic mural
dont think so
cunning urchin
You can get more than 4 different gods only if you enter a shop with less than 4 and see different gods in the shop and exits or if you force new gods with god keepsakes when you already have 4.
pseudo stream
oh god. Hera bow is so slow for 32 heat
cunning urchin
Slow? Are you speedrunning?
sonic mural
td3 is a thing for 32 heat
cunning urchin
Crush Shot and Flood Shot should both be pretty fast.
tame bison
How about Zeus cast Beowulf? 😛
cunning urchin
Yeah, but Hera shouldn't have a problem with TD3 at 32. 
pseudo stream
did Crush Shot, on TD2, still timed out too often - had some seriously good boons, but greatshields and poppers both slowed me down too much
maybe my boon build wasn't great, I had the Athena/Artemis duo and the Artemis/Aphrodite duo, felt like it should do a TON of damage, but really... didn't haha
pseudo stream
Yeah, but Hera shouldn't have a problem with TD3 at 32. <:thanthink:669246004142...
it's much, much slower than my other weapons - I'm sure if I was better it would be okay, but I'm not (I've beaten 32 heat with all weapons but that's it haha)
sonic mural
maybe work on basic speedrunning skills?
pseudo stream
I think knowing how many casts to load might have sped me up a lot, but by Elesium my fully 4 cast loaded shots weren't one shotting exalted
cunning urchin
Yeah, I think that's just you playing slow rather than your build. It takes practice.
What pacts were you running?
pseudo stream
me playing slow because Hera is slow 😛 much burstier but less able to consistently output damage than any other aspect I've tried
sonic juniper
Are you pomming your casts, buying cast items, and fishing for Chaos casts? Your build is a bit reliant on deflects and crits which I find meh on Hera
pseudo stream
that's probably the problem - my usual set, Jury Summons 3 and the extra health 2
sonic juniper
Omg no
sonic mural
jury summons 3 on 32 heat
sonic juniper
Why are you taking those pacts
pseudo stream
I always do JS3, it's more fun than the other options haha
sonic mural
that would probably why ur so slow to clear
sonic juniper
The worst pacts for speed
pseudo stream
Calisthenics and Damage Control I swap between based on my weapon
that's why I'm only TD2
sonic mural
u never take calisthenics this low either
pseudo stream
which usually is free heat 😛
turbid needle
that sounds like torture
sonic juniper
Take HL5 and LC4 instead
pseudo stream
I have both of those
sonic mural
middle management, em3, underworld customs?
sonic juniper
How are you forced into JS3 and CP2 at this level?
sonic mural
fo2
tame bison
Minotaur Rush or the Beowulf Hammer for Beowulf?
pseudo stream
no underworld customs atm, the rest yes
huh. TD3 over the health buffing stuff sounds WAY more fun
sonic mural
underworld customs is. an easy 2 heat
pseudo stream
I'm not THAT fast, but I think I can push for it
sonic mural
if you remember to take a useless boon once a region
turbid needle
Underworld Customs is commonly regarded as a high Heat option.
sonic mural
over what?
pseudo stream
I think I used it on my first 32 heat, but found it super annoying
is it better than the 1 fewer choice one? it doesn't seem like it would be
sonic mural
you just need to remember to stop by that one god you never really use in your build
pseudo stream
I got bad luck with it once and it forced me to kill a core boon and since then I haven't loved it haha
sonic juniper
Keep rerolls for UC
turbid needle
Yeah, AP is the last option people take.
pseudo stream
I only had 2 boons 😛 was a boon-light Tartarus
ugh you've tricked me into wanting to do another run
turbid needle
RI too schpoon
cunning urchin
In my setup, you could take like CF0 JS1 HS instead or CF1 HS to have a bit more money for poms and stuff since you're playing a cast build. But it shouldn't matter too much at 32.
pseudo stream
HS kills me against the hydra 😛
sonic mural
oh god HS
sonic mural
FO2 is great if ur used to it
turbid needle
I would be dead in like 5 seconds
I keep telling people Sure Footing is secret S tier but no one believes me.
Arthur also disables lava directly under the Consecration aura.
it's bad until it isnt
sonic mural
that means getting athena
which your core build may or may not have
which means relying on rng to get athena, and then sure footing
cunning urchin
Minotaur Rush or the Beowulf Hammer for Beowulf?
Probably Unyielding Defense if there's no third option. Minotaur Rush on Beowulf doesn't really do anything. You don't want to spend that much time charging.
tame bison
Yeah so far Beowulf is awkward but I’m new to it. You don’t charge up a lot I guess. Very quick close range charges, I guess?
sonic mural
u need accurate charges
tame bison
Like against Meg she just constantly jumped out of where I was charging lol
cunning urchin
Pretty much. Just enough to reach your enemies.
sonic mural
meg has a few seconds delay when she finishes an attack
so you can dash quickly over and charge her
tame bison
Yeah so just need to practice aiming the charge
Snow burst plus Beowulf should be very good, yes?
cunning urchin
It is.
tame bison
It just pops 3x with 3 casts loaded?
cunning urchin
Snow Burst triggers when you load your Cast.
tame bison
Oh so not when you charge okay
turbid needle
I like the study beo hammer a lot
pseudo stream
TD3 is kinda hard, but thanks Nyaanyaa!
doing a Zeus run, timed out on Megh but killed her haha
tame bison
Also thanks from me
leaden dune
lol unlucky
cunning urchin
Yeah, try not taking those lol. That's what Persuasion rerolls are for if there are only bad options.
pseudo stream
or dumb 😛 it was a huge mistake haha
but it seems to be working out I hope
a 5 sack now would be sad
tame bison
Welp it’s working but T and A (I just realized that’s a funny nickname for them...) just stayed together so I ended up losing a DD to popping Theseus early lol
tame bison
But can’t complain about landing Beowulf casts on two bosses at once I guess
cunning urchin
@pseudo stream take Crush Shot or Flood Shot and you should be good.
- Mirage Shot, ideally.
echo radish
does boiling blood give additive damage increase?
turbid needle
ye
echo radish
so its recommended to get multiple stones in same dude?
random niche
They don't
echo radish
oh so one does the trick then
random niche
If you have multiple and your running stygian soul and have multiple I'd say pump multiple into a the same dude for burst damage and they're all together and nice to pick up when they drop from his corpse. The burst damage usually better than the bonus to 2 or 3 dudes
pseudo stream
<@!187755520998768641> take Crush Shot or Flood Shot and you should be good.
Hm? I’ve switched to Zeus shield! I’m just hopping along with the purple, trying to get every aspect to 20 or 32 heat
tame bison
Does higher heat use Boiling Blood or Abyssal Blood to reduce boss dmg output?
sonic juniper
Id be interested to know for Ruthless reflex too. One less dash, but +50% dmg and dodge.
I can see keeping boiling for dmg. Makes arty better.
tame bison
Ruthless reflex plus Gilgamesh is great 😛
sonic juniper
Id be curious on the decision making to skip non-sticking casts as well, since losing that damage on bosses can be pretty annoying.
cunning urchin
Boiling Blood for DPS. Non-lodging casts have good DPS to make up for the loss of Boiling Blood.
pliant anvil
ruthless reflex just isn't worth it imo
gilga gives you two more dashes
turbid needle
ye
pliant anvil
on anything else, yeah, not worth it. On gilga, 100% worth it imo
cunning heath
is chaos shield the most reliable borderline-broken build for beginners?
i managed to beat hades with zag bow, zag fits and zag sword but nothing comes close to how chill it is to beat things with the shield
cunning urchin
I'd take Greater Reflex over Ruthless Reflex on Gilgamesh.
pliant anvil
hm, I like ruthless because it's a solid source of additive damage to go with artemis since I'm rarely lucky with chaos
sonic juniper
hm, I like ruthless because it's a solid source of additive damage to go with ar...
Yeah that's why Im pondering this as well, Arty needs some additive bonuses
pliant anvil
yeah, arty scales really well with extra additive damage for obvious reasons
tame bison
General opinion of Zeus dash? I could put it on Gilgamesh right now which seems possibly good. Or just take Zeus Cast
Don’t think I want strike
pliant anvil
imo, zeus dash isn't very good
since bolts can only strike everyone 0.2 seconds iirc
leaden dune
duude how the hell do i get away from hades lazers
sonic mural
go dash into him
turbid needle
hug him
pliant anvil
hide behind pillars, or stand on top of him iirc
turbid needle
or hide behind a rock
turbid needle
u cant hug him for the triple laser
gusty rapids
yeah theres a safe zone right near him
turbid needle
u gotta dash around
leaden dune
are you being serious or is this a troll
sonic mural
whereas poseidon starts at 30
turbid needle
deadass
sonic mural
we are being very serious
pliant anvil
are you being serious or is this a troll
100% serious
leaden dune
ok ty
sonic mural
its so free dps
leaden dune
i went in with full health and 3 last hopes with a great build and instadied on lazers 4x lmfao
was so sad
sonic juniper
Zeus dash is only good to proc his T2s imo, and you will hit diminishing returns if you over-stack jolted
nova shale
So, is it correct that if I miss a hammer on the map it will show up in the shop later on?
sonic mural
no
turbid needle
game will keep trying to give it to u
sonic mural
not necessarily i once didnt choose a hammer and never saw it again
echo radish
actually if i dont pick a hammer first two floors will i get two in elysium or just one?
sonic mural
just one i think
stable sentinel
Couldn't agree more. Haha
tame bison
Is there a secret with TD2+ to not running around like a chicken with its head cut off in Asphodel looking for the mob that spawned?
sonic mural
in the beginning of a room you can quit once you find the mobs but havent damaged them yet to go back to the beginning
between spawns you can hug walls to force enemies to spawn closer to you
it only takes like 10 secs tho to find them
tame bison
I guess so hah. Feels like forever
leaden dune
what is yalls favorite boon for gloves special?
echo radish
what aspect
leaden dune
the magneto one
echo radish
i like heartbreak flourish in general
tame bison
Like Demeter aspect or...? Just something that hits hard is the answer for all of them basically haha
leaden dune
Im not sure what the specific name is for the aspect but its the one that attracts when you use special
echo radish
artemis special for demeter, but youre talking about talos
worthy shoal
Guys
Do you have a good build for the shield? Chaos aspect?
echo radish
heartbreak is best in my experience for activating ps and dealing a lot of damage really quick
tame bison
Chaos aspect is the one that shoots moar shields on special?
tame bison
I think generally ppl use the special to apply status effects to a whole room. Like Doom proc on multiple enemies
But I don’t play that one much sorry
echo radish
yea never played chaos either
but i hear doom is pretty goood with it
maybe zeus too?
cosmic hornet
doom and zeus are the most popular
echo radish
poseidon could be funny
cosmic hornet
yeah, but its hard to kill anything with it
tame bison
I’m going to have every aspect maxed and still have zero rare fish lol
echo radish
the easiest way to get rare fish is to wait for those times when it fake bobs thrice
cause then the 4th one is a real fish for sure
so whenever you see 3 fake bobs brace yourself to hit the button as soon as you see the next bob
tame bison
I don’t think I miss fish very often. Are you saying you can crack different fish from the same spot if you just wait longer?
echo radish
all the rare fish ive caught so far have been like this
no no, you can only get rare or legendary if you perfectly time the catch
its like a very small window within which you have hit the button
azure walrus
Sometimes I get lucky with my reaction time but yeah in general it's easier if it decides to Bob 3 times
tame bison
Oh interesting
azure walrus
Because 4 is DEFINITELY the fish and you can mash it the instant you see movement
Speaking of builds though, I had Poseidon dash with Hermes Quint-Dash and splash on wall slam
I dashed into Styx rooms and it was like a hurricane of rat corpses
echo radish
poseidon in styx is love
azure walrus
The fact it triggers if they hit a wall so hard they hit into another wall is hilarious
frosty crane
good ol pinball
echo radish
does talos pull trigger rupture?
echo radish
tbf rupture says it works when they move
so i thought a rupture'd foe would take damage from the pull movement
azure walrus
Oh true, but I think Rupture triggers from their own movement
azure walrus
I meant their own natural movement
left oak
Yoyo times
azure walrus
Not pushes and pulls
I've never looked at Rupture damage closely though
Again, I wish you could try more stuff on Skully
... Skelly, the Skeleton. Not the paranormal detective
tame bison
If you tempest flourish them it would proc rupture and then you knock them away with the flourish and pull them back? Convoluted but that should work?
No idea
echo radish
yea but push and pull doesnt proc rupture it seems, atleast according to what blalo'u said
i did use tempest flourish with talos but i didnt get rupture that run so i cant really confirm
tame bison
@azure walrus you mentioned Hestia in other channel. Best hammers are...Ricochet and Piercing?
azure walrus
Honestly no idea tbh, I'm not sure I have a huge pref for Hestia
azure walrus
That said, the shotgun one is pretty great for obvious reasons
Since its a big old burst of damage
tame bison
The piercing one is pretty funny right now. It just deals 400 dmg to everything in a line
azure walrus
Ricochet is also pretty good I imagine, hitting 2 people is always good
tame bison
I’ll have to try shotgun
azure walrus
Oh yeah pierce does do that, doesn't it? Lol
fair cairn
I also like the explosion that slows enemies
tame bison
Nice will try next time. Won on heat 13 with it so that’s nice for me.
cloud vault
That said, the shotgun one is pretty great for obvious reasons
Shotgun Hestia doesn't work on the empowered shot
opal lodge
ricochet and piercing are S-tier on hestia
hazard bomb/rocket/cluster/explosive are all pretty decent
cloud vault
And triple
opal lodge
i rate triple slightly below the others
gusty rapids
hazard might be S tier now that I’m playing with it more
gusty rapids
it’s absolutely fantastic
opal lodge
but i wouldnt say its better than ricochet
gusty rapids
no, piercing
gusty rapids
hazard can deal with shield bros very well
opal lodge
so can piercing though
gusty rapids
im not sure of it really
but
I do think hazard has the potential to be ranked up there
hazard deals w shield bros but also does so much more
coarse moss
I’ll have to try shotgun
your normal shots will be shotgun but empowered shot doesnt change at all
exotic robin
How do you guys build the rail gun hidden aspect? It feels... unintuitive to me.
stone harbor
Just take zeus attack and scale that
exotic robin
What about special? And which hammers?
Im guessing call/dash can be athena and cast can be whatever
Demeter beams go brrrrr
exotic robin
Oo athena makes sense
opal lodge
yeah
opal lodge
then you can pick up true shot or artemis' aid for deadly reversal
triple bomb, triple beam both great hammers
flash fire is pretty good
stray apex
How to unlock aspect of beowulf
opal lodge
eternal meme can be good if you have +30% attack speed
stray apex
I have aspect of chaos and blitz on lvl 2
stone harbor
How to unlock aspect of beowulf
You need to have 5 blood in non-zag shield aspects
stray apex
Is it enough for unlocking
Can someone tell if i have spent 5 blood
Chaos and Blitz both lvl 2
gusty rapids
so
main osprey
How to unlock aspect of beowulf
pinned in #h1-story-discussion
gusty rapids
that one took me the longest, and it seemed like i needed to see chaos with chaos shield
before i could unlock it
idk if it was a coincidence or not
stray apex
I got a dialogue sequence with chaos and he told me about the shield
But then i didnt get any waking phrase
gusty rapids
yeah so what happened with me was that i had chaos shield equipped, chaos commented on it
then next time i saw chaos, they gave me the phrase
dont think i had chaos shield equipped the 2nd time
left wyvern
Is there a cap on how many casts can be loaded into the hera bow?
gusty rapids
none that i know of
fair cairn
the "please freaking die" number of casts loaded
opal lodge
the manhattan project hera
fair cairn
that's like 2K+ damage on a non crit festive fog
slim lynx
what's the better aspect for bow? and what's a good build?
fair cairn
all 4 are good
bow is like the most all around weapon in terms of aspects in that all 4 are almost equally viable, even the zag
gusty rapids
bow is probably the weapon where all 4 aspects play the most differently too
which is very neat
fair cairn
other weapons can vary in power depending on your luck getting a certain build going
yeah zag is attack centric, chiron is special, hera is cast, rama is reverse chiron
gusty rapids
wait lmao i didnt even think of it as reverse chiron but i see what u mean
thats funny
fair cairn
chiron is attack buff special, rama is special buff attack
slim lynx
doesn't seem like chiron would work for me since i mainly use speial defensively
especially if i get deflect on it
fair cairn
chiron is actually the most powerful for a defensive style of play
slim lynx
fair cairn
because it let you deal damage without having to aim
a single lock can net you 3 special shots
two if you need to dash between two shots
stone harbor
Assuming you have tagged him before, you can do stuff like hit hades from behind a pillar while he is doing his lasers
stone harbor
Plus the obvious defensive advantage you get by being ramged
fair cairn
you can manipulate the curve in a lot of ways
it literally tracks 180 degrees backwards
fair cairn
not walls but it can curve around a ton of things
stone harbor
No, you have to curve it so that it goes around
fair cairn
or even track backwards if you manage to have an angle
gusty rapids
yeah it can curve around pillars
fair cairn
like against Asterius you can get a lock, dodge through his swipe and fire the special for it to track him backwards
it even tracks targets outside of your view
slim lynx
main issue is that now i actually have to worry about projectiles
stone harbor
Just don't get hit
fair cairn
it deals so much damage most things die in one volley anway
dio special + pressure points or arty special + pressure points
get the arty/aphro duo
stone harbor
You can pretty much take aphro attack and pick a random god for special and get something good
A random god being ares, artemis and dio
left wyvern
My idea is to have stygian soul with hera aspect bow and just camp and load until you have an ungodly number of casts in your bow