h1-builds-and-combat

[echo radish]

Hating spear is a way of life

[real kernel]

Can you reroll into Duo Boons?

[keen mesa]

actually I Don't mind zagreus spear with the chain attack hammer

and I don't mind punishing sweep

[real kernel]

Anyone?

[forest marsh]

Yes, you can

[real kernel]

Thanks

[forest marsh]

Unless you're doing it in a Trial room

And then no, you cannot in that case

[tame bison]

Given no cost, would you take Erebus Health boon or Chaos Gate?

2nd room of Tartarus

[keen mesa]

well, that's 50 health if you don't get hit...

or a potential huge upgrade for something

[tame bison]

Yes

So what would you choose

[turbid needle]

I'm biased but chaos

it's tartarus so the Erebus room wouldn't be hard

[tame bison]

If it makes a difference I’m using Rama

[turbid needle]

oh chaos then def

[tame bison]

And hope for atk%?

[rare kindle]

Yeah

[tame bison]

Cool thanks

[turbid needle]

or dash attack %

[unkempt scroll]

Not too bad, I guess. A break for a month and I could still beat EM4 on first try 🤔

[keen delta]

Just finished making Chiron - trying to think of what build I want to go for this run

[unkempt scroll]

I like going for either poison or doom on special with Chiron

[keen delta]

Aphro attack and Dio special?

Maybe Art dash? Idk

[unkempt scroll]

That's what I usually do, and then hope for duo

Or Ares duo, can also work well

[keen delta]

Hmm

I do like the ares duo with the cast

[unkempt scroll]

But with doom special, I think I manged to get up to a bit over 1k per proc :3

[tame bison]

If you doom on special you just have to find the bonus for it otherwise it’s not exciting

[sullen cargo]

Does Explosive upper work well with Gilgamesh?

[coarse moss]

since you want to main quite a bit, explosive upper adds some damage

[weak violet]

I like explosive upper on demeter

[proven osprey]

Blind souls everywhere

[coarse moss]

mere mortals

[tame bison]

So on Rama, how would you guys value 10% more strike dmg Pom vs 3 dmg on Support fire? It’s 2 levels. I have crit boons and such.

[vernal dune]

Support fire

[vernal dune]

Doom doesnt stack tho?

Doom on attack with Drunken Flourish and Curse of Nausea sounds hot tho

[unkempt scroll]

There's a boon that can stack doom up, though lower dmg count/stack on top of the regular doom dmg

[echo radish]

Curse of nausea requires doom?

Curse of nausea is straight buff to hangover it does not rely on doom

Attacking with hangover if you nausea is more effective

[vernal dune]

You need the Doom strike/special, the Blade dash, or the Aid to get offered Nausea

[unkempt scroll]

Sure. But doom can still be fun to try.

[echo radish]

Sure but that doesn't mean you have to have doom on attack

Cause hangover is going to give you higher dps

[vernal dune]

It's the least garbage of all those options tho

For Chiron Bow that is

[echo radish]

Also blade dash and aid doesn't give nausea

Only curse of pain, vengeance or agony

[unkempt scroll]

Has to be a doom curse xP

[vernal dune]

Huh, coulda sworn it was those four

Ah

[unkempt scroll]

There's a third

[vernal dune]

Man ares just sucks

[echo radish]

Vengeance is good cause it doesn't take any of your main slots

[unkempt scroll]

Idk the name, though

[echo radish]

So you can put aphrodite on attack

[vernal dune]

Tru

[echo radish]

Dio on special and go for double duo with nausea and longing

[unkempt scroll]

Nah, Ares doesn't suck... What suck is having no dmg boost, at all...

[echo radish]

Oh rip curse of longing needs pain or agony, nvm

[vernal dune]

Ares as a character is fun

[unkempt scroll]

Took me like, over 5 mins to beat the final boss with no boosts x_x

[vernal dune]

Ares as boons is trash

[echo radish]

I mean

[vernal dune]

Needs Duos to function lul

[echo radish]

Dire misfortune is a boon

[unkempt scroll]

What does that do?

[echo radish]

Doom stacks

[unkempt scroll]

Ah, that

[vernal dune]

Also i think i prefer Zeus Special the most on Chiron

[echo radish]

Also Oops I mistyped earlier

[unkempt scroll]

I like doom build. Though, a bit sad it can't come as high up in dps-wise. Only reason people dislike it so much xP

[echo radish]

What you want is aphro attack, dio special and vengeance

[tame bison]

Zeus special doesn’t trigger per arrow. There’s an internal cool down

[echo radish]

So you can get low tolerance and curse kd nausea

[vernal dune]

Getting lightning bolt buffs just gets insane

[echo radish]

Zeus on chiron is bad

[unkempt scroll]

x)

[echo radish]

You get like two or three bolts I think

[vernal dune]

wtf

[unkempt scroll]

Crit on special is nice, though

[echo radish]

Since chiron is too fast

Can we conclude that aphro attack is optimal cause it seem all the specials just get better with aphro duo boons

[unkempt scroll]

I think I only wanna go for Aprho if I'm going for hangover special 🤔

[echo radish]

Bruh

Heart rend

[unkempt scroll]

... Uhh, doom?

[echo radish]

+150% damage on crit

[unkempt scroll]

Meh

Doesn't really do much for me. I don't get high up in dps

[echo radish]

I mean if you're going for arty special

[unkempt scroll]

Regular crit build seems fine to me

[echo radish]

Then that's probably the best thing you can do

Since it bumps your 300% crit to 450%

Which is more than doom will give you

[unkempt scroll]

Why 300%

[echo radish]

Cause normal crit is +200%

[unkempt scroll]

Okay

[opal lodge]

👏 normalize 👏 having 👏 50% 👏 max 👏 HP 👏

[proven osprey]

Lmao

[vernal dune]

Real men use Guan Yu spear with High Confidence

[keen mesa]

I tried that yesterday.

It did not go over well.

[vernal dune]

Just casually get oneshot by everything in Elysium onward

nbd

[proven osprey]

Guan Yu is a mirrorless weapon

[coarse moss]

all you need is cosmic egg the whole run

[pseudo stream]

what weapons can use merciful end well? I haven't used it much

[opal lodge]

fists

swords

[pseudo stream]

do you get the deflect special AND dash and only use the dash to trigger it?

[opal lodge]

yes

[pseudo stream]

switching attack-special-attack... seems cumbersome

ahhh okay that makes sense

[opal lodge]

guan yu can run it

most spears probably can

[pseudo stream]

trigger it through dash as well?

[opal lodge]

yeah

[coarse moss]

sounds like it'll work on anything

[opal lodge]

merciful end is the shortcut to make slow weapons go fast

[opal lodge]

thats merciful end baby

[pseudo stream]

how so? haha

[opal lodge]

low effort high payoff

[coarse moss]

any move to tag doom, and dash to trigger it

[opal lodge]

doom is just very strong with one major drawback that ME completely mitigates

[cunning urchin]

Turns every weapon into Attack > Dash > repeat or Dash-Strike spam.

[opal lodge]

^

[pseudo stream]

yeah, do you also grab the doom stacking thing?

[cunning urchin]

No.

[pseudo stream]

"turns into dash-strike spam" Haha

isn't that just how the game works? 😛

[opal lodge]

dire is nice before you get ME and then useless afterward

[cunning urchin]

Spamming Dash-Strikes can work, but it's not optimal generally.

[opal lodge]

impending is actively bad before you get ME, and necessary afterward

[cunning urchin]

If you have ME, it's optimal.

[pseudo stream]

it seems almost always optimal with spear and sword and any attack based shield

[opal lodge]

spear nah

zag sword yeah

poseidon and nem both have better options

though ME on nemesis used to be popular

[pseudo stream]

oh? I saw a speedrun with Nemesis and it seemed like the dash-strike

[opal lodge]

before ME became harder to get

[pseudo stream]

ohh no I meant spamming dash strikes, not ME

[coarse moss]

sounds good on gilgamesh if maim affects doom

[cunning urchin]

Zag sword is Special > Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat, pretty much. If you have ME, it's Attack > Dash > repeat.

[pseudo stream]

I feel like Maim kind of doesn't exist

[cunning urchin]

But Zag sword with Flurry Slash would be different. Until you get ME, then it's Attack > Dash > repeat.

[pseudo stream]

I love it but it doesn't seem optimal

[cunning urchin]

It just makes aspect mechanics obsolete lol.

[opal lodge]

^

[pseudo stream]

yeah I had a zag sword flurry slash run once, it was hilarious. the screen was so noisy I couldn't see or avoid anything, but luckily everything died very fast

[opal lodge]

ME makes every weapon into the same aspect sorta

[pseudo stream]

ME vs Aphro/Artemis, are both good? haha

[opal lodge]

heart rend depends on the weapon

[pseudo stream]

oh? I've been aiming for it a lot, it seems solid as heck

[opal lodge]

yeah its good

nemesis really likes it

its never bad to have

[cunning urchin]

It's also much easier to get.

[opal lodge]

yeah

[pseudo stream]

that was the last run I did 😛

the damage is insane

[cunning urchin]

Heart Rend on Guan Yu is slower than ME lol.

[opal lodge]

but you see bigger numbers

[pseudo stream]

I wasn't playing that well but I took out EM4 Hades without losing a DD, which is rare for me

[opal lodge]

and probably have more fun

so who really wins

[cunning urchin]

I think it's better now because it's more like the rare thing that you get if things happen to fall into place rather than something you go for every single run like it used to be.

So there's that at least.

Back when Divine Dash unlocked ME lol.

[opal lodge]

lol

i think ME as a mechanic is just kind of busted

but uh

[cunning urchin]

Safest Dash + optimal DPS so easily was busted.

[opal lodge]

probably not changing anytime

[cunning urchin]

I guess they went with a solution that made ME not so dominant in the meta while still letting people who enjoy ME use it the way it used to work.

[opal lodge]

thats fair

theres someone in the speed discord who put ME on like 12 different aspects

and picked up several aspect WRs along the way

its just a shortcut to make slow aspects fast

outsource the DPS to lord ares

[coarse moss]

lady athena you mean

[keen mesa]

aspect of zeus shield with thunder flourish (lightning damage on special) is insane.

[gusty rapids]

yeah it’s fantastic

[sullen cargo]

Yeah, I like Aspect of Zeus with Poseidon on attack or dash and zeus on special, and just knock enemies into the special :3

[coarse moss]

and then have zeus legendary on it mmm

[sullen cargo]

Ooh I wonder how well it would do if you combined with ares blade rifts

[past raven]

It’s really good

Any special boon combined with aspect of Zeus shield is good

[turbid needle]

Going to try for an Aphro attack + Dio special Chiron build on my next run. I'm so excited for it

[tame bison]

End of Tartarus shop with 500g or take an Erebus Poseidon gate...only have Dash and using Rama

Poseidon is not exciting here really

[pseudo stream]

never end of area shops

they're terrible value in almost all cases (I guess if you're rich and need to heal)

Poseidon is always exciting, great cast, +50%+ bonus damage at the start is good

and it's an extra room, unless you're TD2+ I wouldn't even consider NOT taking a free room

[tame bison]

Why are they worse value than other shops?

Oh Erebus is another room entirely? It doesn’t count towards boss?

[pseudo stream]

other shops prevent a fight, which can save a lot of health, and might have the bag of infinite treasures

(this is a slightly controversial opinion but I'm fairly confident)

Erebus does count, but the extra rooms don't count if they're the last room - you're guaranteed at least one "freebie"

and Chaos and Erebus don't count

[gusty rapids]

going for an end of area shop or not mostly just depends on how much money you have, and what you want to get

basically it depends lol

[pseudo stream]

I genuinely don't even think it does. you'll almost always have enough stuff to buy in Styx anyway, so you're just wasting a free bonus

[opal lodge]

styx shop doesnt matter

think about it this way

[tame bison]

I mean assuming you can live to get to Styx. Buying stuff early is to save hp and get your build going etc

[opal lodge]

boons purchased in styx will only ever help you in styx

[gusty rapids]

i mean i usually enjoy having my build before stax

styx

[opal lodge]

boons purchased in tartarus will help you all the way to styx

[gusty rapids]

yea

[pseudo stream]

but so will taking an extra heart, pom, or etc

[opal lodge]

sure

just depends what your build wants

[pseudo stream]

and you can grab non-end-of-biome shops to skip a fight and maybe get the insane value of the bag

but if the wrong boons show up, it doesn't help with that either

[opal lodge]

90% of the time im taking shop over health/pom if i can afford it

[gusty rapids]

I take health sometimes bc health good me safe

but if it’s a pom and I don’t have anything that needs to be pommed

shop every time

or if it’s a god I don’t care about, etc

[crisp delta]

Is there a list of builds to try somewhere?

[cunning urchin]

I either play on heat so low the HP or whatever in the other chamber doesn't matter or heat so high I don't have the time to skip mid-shop.

Also final shop tends to waste time, so might as well spend all my money before then if I can.

[cunning urchin]

Not really. I made a newbie build guide for the base weapons that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players.

You could also look at the high heat leaderboard or speedrun leaderboard for build ideas.

[opal lodge]

be warned that ultra high heat builds will be restricted by AP1/2

[tame bison]

What do you guys tend to take in Elysium? Like usually I go God trinket into Gold (or vice versus) but never know what to take in area 3

If I don’t have full build another god trinket in Elysian but if I don’t need one...?

[opal lodge]

i do god trinket/god trinket/coin purse or hourglass

acorn if i care about high confidence or just not dying

[tame bison]

Oh hourglass is a good one

[coarse moss]

pom blossom works too

[gusty rapids]

I usually take skull earring now

free 40% w stubborn defiance, and the extra damage is nice since elysium can be slow

acorn is also something I consider

[pseudo stream]

wow. Merciful End is SUPER good, eh? did a Zag shield run and it was smooth as heck

[tame bison]

Does anyone ever take the duo boon that regens health if you have no DD? I only take it with intent to sell it lol

[gusty rapids]

I take it when I run stubborn defiance and there’s nothing else to take

and even then I usually end up selling lol

it’s just not good

[coarse moss]

its especially bad when you have tight deadline

[echo radish]

It would be so good if it'd just heal outside combat too

Which is weird cause it doesn't say that you have to be in combat

[vapid yacht]

Best build for spear?

[tame bison]

With aspects or early game with nothing fancy?

[vapid yacht]

Early game

I have two blood I guess

[tame bison]

Try to get Dionysus on attack with Doom or Poseidon+rupture on special.

And maybe get like flurry attack or something

[vapid yacht]

Okay, which aspect should I put the blood into

[tame bison]

None of the basic ones except maybe Aspect of Zag for Fist.

[mighty ermine]

It does, actually. It specifies "life regeneration during battle"

[tame bison]

Achilles spear is decent. Nemesis sword.

[vapid yacht]

[echo radish]

Zeus shield works at lv1

[tame bison]

^^

[opal lodge]

poseidon sword and hera are both nice at level 1

[turbid needle]

nemesis is p good at lv 1

[vapid yacht]

Yeah I have clears with Chaos Shield and Eris Bow (I think it's called that)

[turbid needle]

hidden sword bow n shield are all good at level 1

[echo radish]

Chaos needs upgrades

[bright sandal]

I usually always go for Artemis attack boon with the Zagreus Bow Aspect, but I was just thinking, wouldn't it be better to get artemis' boon on another slot, and save attack boon for another god instead since Artemis' damage bonus is lowest in the game?

That way you get more out of the critical hit chance that's already on the attack right?

[echo radish]

Artemis boons only provide crit chance to the slot they're on

Other than pressure points and hunter's mark

[opal lodge]

well zag bow has the +15 innate

heartbreak strike is a solid option

[echo radish]

Oh that's what you meant

[turbid needle]

u can get 1 god on more than 1 core slot

[raven aspen]

Guys, any way to utilise Black shawl keepsake? Seems like it has additive bonuses with extremely low numbers. Also backstab doesn't work on cast (at least Athena's)

[keen mesa]

backstab doesn't work with any casts unless you get the boon that enables it

[sullen valley]

Oof

[turbid needle]

does anyone have any fun fist builds or for gilgamesh?

[main osprey]

dash spam

[turbid needle]

not sure what that is

[main osprey]

pick up any dash boon that does damage

and spam it

[turbid needle]

hmm

[opal lodge]

tidal dash and blade dash are the most fun ones imo

[turbid needle]

if i'm doing spam dash with poseidon i might as well go for a curse of drowning build w/ fists since i'm up close

[main osprey]

today on "Swan's build is OP before he even leaves Tartarus"

question, does Chaos' Attack boon affect dash-attack? Pretty sure it does...

[keen mesa]

no

[main osprey]

drat

[keen mesa]

chaos has separate boons for boosting dash-attack damage

[main osprey]

aight

[tame bison]

Well he has the dash attack boon

[main osprey]

chaos just offered a flayed strike, was trying to decide it I wanted it

[tame bison]

Oh I see

[main osprey]

but if that doesn't affect dash-strike, I'm gonna reroll

[tame bison]

You’re talking about future I see

Not this picture

[main osprey]

no, I got more Chaos

[keen mesa]

yeah, that's attack, but not dash-attack

[main osprey]

aight

time to roll then

dang, guess I'm getting more health then

epic hunter dash let's gooo

[muted oracle]

Hey discord I need advice I’m almost to second stage of _____ (final boss) I’ve studies him three times with god mode just to learn more lol. Any advice or further things to avoid

[keen mesa]

avoid boss after invis

avoid the AoE attack

ignore killing the extra mobs

[muted oracle]

Ok thanks,

Appreciated thanks, happy holidays 🙂

[keen mesa]

what's killing you?

[muted oracle]

I just beat them!

I was being killed by the boiling blood mechanic

That was just making me take massive dmg the first couple times

[keen mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/xFbr2JU.png

pretty fun!

[main osprey]

nice! (and there's also #h1-victory-boasting ! )

that's some serious synergy

[turbid needle]

chaos attack boons work with dash attack

[main osprey]

drat

welp, still got a speed record

[opal lodge]

chaos dash strike boons also work with dash uppers

on fists

[sullen valley]

This game really expects me to beat EM4 with no DD's

[main osprey]

that sounds like you're being challenged by the game

you're gonna let the game just do you like that?

[sullen valley]

I mean I can consistently deal 300 damage and sometimes 1k so

[main osprey]

Go for it

[sullen valley]

nope, instantly.

Had 260 HP and got infinite stuck by a Megagorgon head

Dude! That sucked!
It's not even because I died, you know what I had?!

[main osprey]

oh?

[sullen valley]

I'm gonna screenshot it, hold on...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/318563142810468352/792208732247425044/20201225175355_1.jpg

LOOK. AT. THIS.

[main osprey]

that's uh

that's a lotta stuff

[sullen valley]

I want you to read all of that yourself and tell me your judgement.

[hushed ledge]

Stygian soul gang

[main osprey]

absurd crit damage

solid cast

[sullen valley]

Consistent 300+ damage, and sometimes, but easy 1k damage.

I had a lot of Epics and Rares.

I'm pretty sure all of the % adds up to at least 300% more damage (leading to said consistent 300 damage).

Patroclus never came and I was never offered a Kiss of Styx from any of Styx's rooms. Just healing items.

[random niche]

Oh cool, that achilles spear buff lasts through the whole duration of crystal beam and bladeshot. With Glacial glare on crystal for an extra 3.4 secs and auto reload for 3 sec cooldown on cast it scaled out of control for Final boss with like 6 or so beams online at a time.

[turbid needle]

Glacial Glare with a high rarity Auto Reload and multiple Bloodstones is pretty nuts.

[random niche]

Achilles spear charge for 150% damage on them made it crazy beyond normal crystal shenanigans. Youd have to high roll on chaos boons out the wazoo to get 150% on cast and achilles spear has it from the jump.

[gusty rapids]

yeah achilles is fantastic for cast builds

my favorite weapon for them bar maybe beowulf

[random niche]

I was fishing for curse of drowneing with beowulf but havne't got it yet

seems like it would be redonk

[rare kindle]

How would that work?

The pulses?

[random niche]

I dunno wanted to see though

[main osprey]

you hit the button and it pulses damage around you for a few seconds

[random niche]

and then the board flare does, regular flood shot or...

[sullen valley]

...Hm! I assume you continually pulse as soon as the Charge ends.

I assume it all triggers like Flurry Cast.

[fresh creek]

Is trippy shot good

[sullen valley]

You’re gonna have to think a little harder with that one, but, yeah.

Highest in raw damage, and the additional stunlock helps against rooms.

[hushed ledge]

Also imo it's better with Stygian than with infernal

[sullen valley]

Eh, I say Infernal this time for this one.
More active at once, and if you continually grab em as soon as they finish, more damage at once.

[hushed ledge]

Ehhh they last 5s according to wiki (who knows if that's right) so you're getting 60% of the ones you would with Stygian if you use infernal

The big advantage of infernal is burst and being able to get the resets, and the stuns mean the burst is less relevant and you can't get resets

(also, just imo, it enables the playstyle that Stygian likes really well, it's really good at creating space and getting you out of tight situations and resetting)

[turbid needle]

I know dio on beowulf wants stygian, dunno about other cases

[sullen valley]

Hm...true point. I suppose I feel like Trippy Shot would fare a bit better with more opportunities to attack, and area control with its stunlock effect and High Tolerance.

[hushed ledge]

(I also think Infernal vs Stygian is entirely playstyle based for 90% of aspects and so it doesn't really matter)

[sullen valley]

Mhm. Also true.

[hollow helm]

You take Stygian a good chunk of the time in non-cast builds tk avoid Lightning Rod

[hushed ledge]

I enjoy Stygian because I play campy and kite from a distance a lot

[turbid needle]

I take it because looking for stones is annoying when cast isn't the main focus

I get distracted by thing i can pick up on the ground lol

[hollow helm]

Since Zeus/Artemis/Poseidon good stuff builds work well and you don't want Lightning Rod to say dilute the pool for Jolted or Splitting

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Rod is really good.

[gusty rapids]

stygian is useful for like any cast that doesnt lodge into enemies i think

[hollow helm]

In a way you get Boiling Blood a bit easier, but Infernal can just set and forget bloodstones to proc Ravenous Will

[gusty rapids]

trippy shot and crystal beam are the ones im thinking of

or like not lodge, but ones that u dont get back easily

[hollow helm]

Yeah

[sullen valley]

Initially took it because I wanted to focus less on Retrieval. Then I kept it because of the more active stones.

[hushed ledge]

Stygian also means you don't have to go out of position to get back casts

Imo infernal is probably better on Achilles and Hera, favoured on Poseidon

[sullen valley]

Why Achilles again?

[hushed ledge]

Burst

[sullen valley]

Hm

[hushed ledge]

Means you can lean into optimising that bonus damage period more

[turbid needle]

I like stygian on achilles

But running it means praying for more stones from chaos

[hushed ledge]

I think it's not as clear cut though definitely

Ye if you get bonus stones on really any run Stygian is just clearly better

[cunning urchin]

Infernal Soul gives you much better DPS on a lot of aspects because you can actively work casts into your rotations unless you're fighting bosses. Lord Hermes's t1 cast boons are also more useful with Infernal Soul in my experience.

I've switched to pretty much full-time Infernal lately because of that.

[hushed ledge]

I should probably try that but my rotation is based around mixing in the cast every 3s

[hollow helm]

Huh. Makes a lot of sense since you can optimize your cast usage to make use of the 3 casts.

[hushed ledge]

(also I'm the weirdo who didn't use TD1 for my 32 heat clear because it killed my previous attempt. Wouldn't have mattered but I was close at some points to it mattering)

[cunning urchin]

I mean stuff like Cast > Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat on Guan Yu.

Special > Cast > Dash-Strike x2 on Stygius.

[hushed ledge]

Fair, Stygian probably only means you get to add a cast once every 2 times

[cunning urchin]

Attack > Reload + Special > Cast > Attack > Reload + Cast > Cast > repeat on Hestia.

Stygian Soul can't cast that fast.

[hushed ledge]

Ye

[split echo]

@turbid needle

[turbid needle]

[split echo]

So it gives a status to the enemy which makes them more vulnerable but do higher damage at the same time

And a few seconds later, when the status ends, they receive a big damage (400 irrc)

The reason why I'm not liking it is, the big damage in the end doesn't seem to blend too well with boons.

[main osprey]

(that ending damage scales with titans blood iirc)

[sullen valley]

It’s basically a secondary cast. Boiling Blood and Exit Wounds. Abyssal Blood if you get its Hammer.

[turbid needle]

so basically its like ares doom effect?

curse

[split echo]

Yes exactly, but since it's a different thing, it doesn't receive doom buffs

[turbid needle]

i dislike ares doom effect since it has a specific timer/countdown to activate

I tend to see it as like wretches cleanup

like you leave them and wait for the curse to take effect

[sullen valley]

Ye. It’s more effective against bosses or enemies you wanna put a pin on.

[turbid needle]

^

[split echo]

Which god's boons award high attack rate the most? Dio, Artemis, Demeter?

[turbid needle]

it depends

[sullen valley]

All of them?

Lmao

[turbid needle]

what are you using specifically

what weapon, build are you putting it on cast?

etc

because for me in general terms

Poseidon does best

[split echo]

Let's say Chiron bow for example?

[turbid needle]

i havent used bow yet

though i should

[sullen valley]

Oh let me tell you about Chiron bow

[turbid needle]

im that weird person

[hollow helm]

Chiron can run Artemis/Dio/Demeter

[turbid needle]

that loves using aspect of eris

and aspect of talos

[hollow helm]

But in general high attack speed weapons like using Zeus Attack

[sullen valley]

If you hyperfocus Aphrodite you basically tell dad to sit down, your turn to play

[split echo]

Wait Aphrodite??

[sullen valley]

Attack, Special, Relentless Volley,
Unhealthy Fixation

[split echo]

I never found her useful, mind elaborate a bit?

[sullen valley]

What? Aphrodite?

[split echo]

Yes

[tame bison]

Chiron special is somewhat awkward with Zeus bc there’s an internal cool down on the lightning bolts so not every arrow procs them.

Also uhh Aphrodite is like the best God in the game

[sullen valley]

For one, highest % damage. Her boons focus on damage reduction.

[tame bison]

Easily

[hushed ledge]

Ares/Aphro/arty don't get affected by attack speed

[turbid needle]

zeus is awesome for crowd control and bosses like Lernie and Asterius and Theseus

[sullen valley]

They don’t, but they benefit well from it.

[hushed ledge]

???

No

[hollow helm]

Her damge percentages are actually the highest in the game, Weak helps you survive more, her Weak-related boons also help you survive/deal damage

[sullen valley]

Uh, imagine making the Final Boss get stunned every 2 seconds.

[hushed ledge]

Ares is affected negatively by attack speed that's below 1/s

[split echo]

What do you mean get stunned

[hushed ledge]

The legendary isn't what I was talking about

[sullen valley]

Well not stunned, but a couple of her abilities charm.

[hollow helm]

Unless you run ME/Dire Misfortune

[turbid needle]

correct me if I'm wrong isnt Poseidon the go to choice for dash build with sea storm and other effects , rupture etc

combined with hermes

[sullen valley]

“Dash Build” is something I’m unfamiliar with.

[hollow helm]

Poseidon Dash is the offensive build

[hushed ledge]

Ares is a flat +X dps, the others are +Y% dps, neither care about attack speed

[sullen valley]

Athena is the defensive build.

[turbid needle]

id rather have Poseidon dash over any other

including athena

[split echo]

Yeah I'm not sure how powerful it is but it's so much fun

[hollow helm]

Usually involves Tidal dash then hunting for T2 Poseidon Boons like Slam/Waves Pounding/Rupture

[split echo]

Just slam everything onto wall

[sullen valley]

Uh, Artemis crit also benefits well from high attack speed.

The more you attack, the more chances to crit.

[turbid needle]

thats the build i always for

[hollow helm]

It's good on a build that wants more extra damage

[turbid needle]

and if i am lucky

i get sea storm

on top

you can wipe people from just dashing alone

including bosses

[sullen valley]

Getting utility boons from Artemis strengthen this chance for extra damage into more chances for ultimate damage.

[hollow helm]

You don't even need Sea Storm, since the damage just scales extremely well with the T2 boons

[hushed ledge]

Sure but none of those are the base

[turbid needle]

well its just an added bonus

[sullen valley]

It ain’t, but more chances to crit still stands with a faster attack rate.

[split echo]

How to get the most blood stones, theoretically

And how many is that

[hushed ledge]

Attack speed is a positive but the value of Ares/Aphro/arty isn't going to change much no matter your speed

[sullen valley]

Output or Lodging?

[hushed ledge]

(a big mistake people often make is assuming Ares attack sucks on fists)

[turbid needle]

can anyone tell me what ares is best for I see him lacking in some areas

[sullen valley]

Oh yeah no Ares isn’t what you would put on a high attack speed

[turbid needle]

dash is good but slow

[hushed ledge]

You can

It's flat dps

[sullen valley]

Aphrodite may be less effective, but I’ve made it work.

[hushed ledge]

It doesn't get worse from higher attack speed

[sullen valley]

You can, but you don’t want to.

[split echo]

dooms don't stack do they

[hushed ledge]

And the other large dps boons don't get better at base from higher attack speed either

[severe ingot]

poseidon dosent sound like s good idea if u want to actually hit the guy i dashing to

[sullen valley]

Yes and no.

[turbid needle]

dash attack

[sullen valley]

You can’t stack Doom, but there is a boon that allows you to buildup Doom’s damage even further.

[severe ingot]

tjen get artemis dash attack

[hushed ledge]

Ares attack is fine on fists

[sonic juniper]

But its not great

[hushed ledge]

You can do the maths

[sonic juniper]

Ares attack on fists is meh until you get ME build, then it becomes insane

[hushed ledge]

It's no worse on fists than any other weapon

[turbid needle]

ME or bust

whats the best base attack boon for fists

[sullen valley]

Yeah if you think about it, you’d have to hyperfocus trying to make Doom good to make Doom good.

[turbid needle]

im guessing zeus/artemis?

[severe ingot]

also how does the "consecutive doom" boon work

[hushed ledge]

Last I remember it was Ares iirc

[iron dew]

I had two of the items that make it so you get a chaos boon next time you can, and when i got to the first chaos, they both disappeared

[split echo]

What's the best cast to go with Hera bow?

[sullen valley]

Aphro/Ares duo?

[split echo]

I tried Dermeter and it didn't work

[sonic juniper]

Dire Misfortune? Adds flat damage for each doom stack.

[turbid needle]

i hate demeters call

[sullen valley]

Something high damage, like Aphrodite or Dionysus

[turbid needle]

i hate it so much

[hushed ledge]

Dem call I like but I mainly use the minor

It's really good in Ely

[turbid needle]

aphrodite is probably my favourite call

[severe ingot]

on the same target? or can u swich em?

artemis best call

[turbid needle]

since you can use her call and stack your own damage ontop

and you can use your small call gauges to make your own minions

awesome

[hushed ledge]

I'm a fan of most calls most of the time

[turbid needle]

Artemis/Aphrodite calls are my favourite

for quick finishes

[severe ingot]

artemis literally reads "u get to skip las phase of every boss"

[hushed ledge]

Tbh I generally don't like arty that much because it has no utility but I'm warming to it

Zeus is definitely my last favourite though

[turbid needle]

zeus is great for area control

[severe ingot]

zeus range is so crappy

[turbid needle]

literally wipes out bone hydra

[severe ingot]

vut the one i lile the lwast is athenas

[hushed ledge]

Dio is just a better Zeus most of the time

[turbid needle]

athena doesnt do anything in damage department

^

spitting fax

one thing i like about zeus

[sonic juniper]

Athena lets you facetank and unload your full rotations

[turbid needle]

use him on aspect of eris

[tranquil violet]

Athena special damage isn't bad

[turbid needle]

its a monster

[tranquil violet]

It's got decent damage

And the reflect is nice

[tranquil violet]

Extremely spicy take

[turbid needle]

railgun with the right boons is straight up awesome

you can nuke the entire area

[hushed ledge]

Call only

[turbid needle]

if you get cluster bombs/rocket bomb

combined

[gusty rapids]

that is quite the spicy take there

[tranquil violet]

Triple bomb

[sullen valley]

Hm, I think I remember an awesome Poseidon/Zeus build...

[turbid needle]

triple bomb is also amazing

[tranquil violet]

Poseidon/Zeus on Guan Yu is great

[sullen valley]

Like, really awesome. Don’t remember if I survived or not...

[tranquil violet]

Yeet stick build

[turbid needle]

i always use artemis on my bombs

for mega damage

[tranquil violet]

Poseidon special, Sea Storm, go from there

[hushed ledge]

Dio call is just a chunk of damage and it's consistent

[turbid needle]

plus buff my crit damage/chances

[hushed ledge]

Just use it for minor

[turbid needle]

@tranquil violet

[hushed ledge]

Every time it's up

[turbid needle]

Zeus has amazing room clear

[tranquil violet]

Where do I recognize your PFP from @turbid needle
?

[severe ingot]

every rail run ive ever runned ive prayed to get triple rocket but ive never managed

sad

[turbid needle]

It's especially great on fists and rail

[hushed ledge]

Zeus call is about the same at room clear as dio

[turbid needle]

hmm what do you mean

[hushed ledge]

And I'm specifically talking about the calls with my take

[tranquil violet]

I recognize the character in your PFP

But I don't remember where from

[turbid needle]

Ah, the calls

its a nieche manga

[tranquil violet]

Feels very familiar

[turbid needle]

but take a guess

[tranquil violet]

I honestly have no clue

But I'm like 90% sure I've seen it before

[turbid needle]

its a seperate manga to hnk

thats the hint

[tranquil violet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid needle]

ill dm it

[tranquil violet]

Need to finish this Guan Yu run now

Eventually I'm going to have to start using tight deadlines

What's a weapon that Ares builds are good on? Hm.

Other than Hunting Blades

[sonic juniper]

ME builds

[tranquil violet]

ME?

Oh Merciful End

Was just thinking of building that I've still not really ever used it

Any weapon suggestions?

[sonic juniper]

ME is amazing on fists

[tranquil violet]

I usually do spear, bow, or Arthur

well I rotate all weapons but those are my preferences

Which aspect?

I'm guessing Aspect of Demeter, Curse of Agony, and Divine Flourish?

[sonic juniper]

And divine dash

[tranquil violet]

Ohh that sounds fun

Fists are my worst weapon

Looking forward to trying this out

[sonic juniper]

Once you get those 3 boons, just dash attack all day. The dash triggers ME.

[tranquil violet]

[sullen valley]

Dude...imagine if you can get the achievement Bad Call by using the Sigil during a "Survive" Encounter

[tranquil violet]

Wow

Wasn't convinced but uh

Merciful End + Vengeful Mood (Holy Shield) + Impending Doom + Dire Misfortune is...

Hilarious in Styx

Just tears through every room like nothing

I also have 20% dodge from Hermes which is nice

Well that was the most stupidly easy Hades fight in a while 😐

[weak violet]

What hammers did you get?

[tranquil violet]

Not even super great ones

The one that makes the attack longer range

And the one that turns the special into a projectile

[tame bison]

Oh with fists I guess?

[tame bison]

Just left Tartarus with Guan Yu, Serrated Point, Epic Hunter Dash, epic Artemis attack, and 49% dash strike chaos boon haha

[pseudo stream]

oh man. I'd definitely prefer divine dash there, but that's a LOT of damage haha

[tame bison]

Yeah I’ll die bc I suck with dash strike haha. But it’s good practice I guess

We’ll see if I can not die to final boss

With no DD haha

Ah close but no haha

[nova shale]

So, how does deflect work?

I tried lucifer aspect athena attack expecting to just deflect with the beam but instead I deflect things that hit me while I'm firing the beam?

[forest marsh]

That is a quirk of that particular aspect

I believe it should actually just be the base of the gun that deflects, too, not Zag as a whole

[nova shale]

It's really wonky though

Also doesn't seem to work on lobbed attacks?

[forest marsh]

I can't say I've tested that but I suspect that the positioning is just finicky

It's a tough balance with Lucy and deflect, as having the whole beam deflect would be extremely OP

[nova shale]

It doesn't deflect much of anything

Deflect is consistent at being inconsistent and unreliable, which is a problem when the whole point of it is to protect you from taking damage

[forest marsh]

But to be fair, none of the rail aspects are going to give you terribly satisfying results with deflect on attack

[nova shale]

It shoudl at least deflect any projectile the bullet/beam hits

Maybe work on melee too, idk

[nocturne pivot]

Yeah I just feel the only deflect boon that works is the dash

[forest marsh]

Deflect works pretty well on most weapons that aren't the rail

[nocturne pivot]

Huh, it's always felt weird for me tho I guess most of time ive used the non dash was on bow and spear

[forest marsh]

Bow attack might not be the best for deflect (though still serviceable in a pinch) but bow special is incredible for deflect

[cunning urchin]

It's very good on spear, pretty weak on bow.

Bow doesn't really need Deflect.

[cloud vault]

I am gonna do some cursed slash flurry build and all the damage resistance stacking I can find. One day.

[molten yacht]

deflect on the bow special is insane

otherwise I only take the dash

btw I'm the only one that think ades and Arthemis are really bad?

They have only 1 boon good basically (the bonus damage to everything of hades and the call of arthemis)

[royal helm]

Artemis has the best possible top ends for damage.. since it multiplies anything you get

Ares... it's kind of a toss up. 50 damage ever 1.1s represents like 45dps?

And Ares gets out of control once you get Merciful End

[main osprey]

in terms of consistent raw damage, aphrodite has the highest % bonuses

[royal helm]

If you kill stuff quickly with the base damage, it can be frustrating though because... well... you just have excess/overkill Ares damage

A lot of playing fast with Ares actually ... takes practice, that is, tapping something once or hitting it until you know the curse will finish it and move on to another target

Oh... and the Ares on kill boon that makes your next special/attack do +100%(or more based on rarity) can be really insane on some aspects

[molten yacht]

maybe it's because I'm only "heating 3", so I'm still focussing on bosses rather than normal enemies

[royal helm]

Oh... if you're concerned with bosses... then Artemis represents the best single target damage in the game

Because crits are +200% (or 3x multiplier)

[molten yacht]

I prefer dionysus, you can do damage while dodging

[royal helm]

Oh... you should maybe play Chiron if you like that type of build

Chiron dio is pretty good

But you gotta sink a bunch of blood before Chiron is really that great

[molten yacht]

I felt like only the spear is really bad with it

[royal helm]

A lot of the slow, heavy hitter aspects are pretty bad with Dio... but they can turn around with Splitting Headache (Artemis duo)

Since you can get 7.5% crit

[molten yacht]

yeah

till now, I only failed with the Aspect of Guan Yu :/

[royal helm]

Guan Yu is ... not my favorite
And quite difficult without investing the blood into it

[molten yacht]

I probably need to buff it a little before it's viable

[royal helm]

70%hp reduction->50%

[molten yacht]

yeah 70% is really too harsh

[royal helm]

It's pretty annoying to get used to as well... as a weapon.
And yes, I agree. the hp reduction is way too much

[molten yacht]

too slow, and I don't like the charging attack of the spears in general

[royal helm]

Oh, odd... most people that play the spear like the dash attack

I like it a lot. It has a massive aoe / range

It's lower dps to do until you have Serrated Point, though?

The dash attack on Guan Yu is weird, because you have to like... buffer it in a certain way to get the normal dash attack...
If you just button mash, you'll get the three strike combo

Kind of like on Arthur

[molten yacht]

I don't know what0s arthur is

[warped hound]

Which bloodstone talent is better for Beowulf?

[molten yacht]

I only have the guan yu as latest aspects 😦

oh, just read how to unlock them. I miss a lot of blood xD

[royal helm]

Both are very good...
I think someone claimed in here that Passion Flare + Infernal Soul is the fastest Beowulf in here though

But if you want to play Trippy Flare, you definitely want Stygian Soul

[coarse moss]

yeah for beowulf, stygian if dio cast, everything else go infernal soul

beo works great with fiery presence mirror

[icy glade]

for me, flood flare is where its at. the aoe is nuts

[coarse moss]

flood flare with sea storm and possibly zeus legendary mm

[sonic juniper]

Flood flare Beo is all the rage now

[warped hound]

Ran Stygian blood Beo with Dio's charge

Aspect of Beowulf, more like, aspect of bullying Hades in the locker room, amirite

[coarse moss]

can get some fun numbers out of it with pressure points

[cloud vault]

Hestia loves that one

[ruby aspen]

ho how i love the adamant rail... aphro attack + artemis special + duo boon + rocket launcher *3 (and plenty of boons to increase damage). Spamming rockets that can deal each +- 1000 dmg is great.

[vital bay]

bro but

Lucifer + Triple bomb

mega broken

holy

[heady peak]

Oh. My. God.

Killing the ||tiny vermin|| with ||demeter|| aspect and zeus attack

Is so satisfying

[tame bison]

Do I care to take Epic Blade Dash over this common Urge to Kill on a guan Yu? All I have so far is Artemis special but...urge to kill is very good with that.

[turbid needle]

Blade Dash is very very niche.

Urge To Kill will almost always directly upgrade multiple parts of a build.

[cunning urchin]

Blade Dash is good on Stygius and Malphon and maybe Aegis.

Not that great on Guan Yu.

[tame bison]

Yeah I was thinking it could be okay just bc I kite stuff around so much. Thanks!

[turbid needle]

blade dash gang

[coarse moss]

blade dash isn't great when kiting, it's strong when the enemy is sitting still and you dash through them multiple times

[frail schooner]

blade dash destroys lernie

[woven wagon]

What do you guys say is a good god to focus while using Zagreus Spear?

[frail schooner]

get exploding launcher or reset

[stray apex]

Best hammer for Zag spear is Exploding Launcher

[frail schooner]

best hammer for zag spear is use any other aspect

[stray apex]

And chain skewer

[stray apex]

No

Zag spear is good and imo better than guan yu

[stray apex]

Exploding launcher and Chain skewer

[frail schooner]

i’d take level 1 GY over level 5 zagratha

[stray apex]

I ll take zag spear

Over GY

[tame bison]

Yeah 25% special dmg for 5 TB is not even a common Chaos boon.

[stray apex]

U would take which aspect?

[frail schooner]

achilles = gy > hades > zag imo

[tame bison]

Guan Yu over zag easily. Achilles is the only other good one

[stray apex]

Hmmm

[coarse moss]

hades spear can do what zag does but 150%

[tame bison]

25% special dmg is nothing. You may as well use no aspect

[stray apex]

Hmmm🤔

What hammers is best for Hades aspect of spear?

[frail schooner]

quick spin

[coarse moss]

quick spin, massive spin

[stray apex]

Ok👍

[keen mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/b8ET4Di.png

This run is going to be epic...

[coarse moss]

best thing about spin is you can dash through pillars and rivers while doing it

[keen mesa]

Chamber 6 and I'm already on fire

[stray apex]

Idk why but Arthur seems a bit inconsistent and sloppy to ME

Does anyone else feels the same or is it only me?

[keen mesa]

I like it, but I also like aspect of zag sword with 15% move/attack speed

[coarse moss]

after you get used to its speed, its good

[stray apex]

When ever i use arthur the hitbox does not show properly or does not even hit enemies sometines

Dash strike also does not work for me with Arthur

[keen mesa]

Chamber 9 and I just crit for 1399

dash strike works, but it looks identical (except for a little flash) to the main attack

[coarse moss]

i understand if you have problem with its slowness, but cant imagine hitbox being a problem

[stray apex]

Yeah the slow speed is too painful for me

[coarse moss]

fight in hallowed ground, maybe try demeter attack. stack slowness on enemy and you can backstab them for days

[sonic mural]

or just get used to its rhythm

#h1-victory-boasting

[turbid needle]

Just using it to post my boons

[coarse moss]

gratz on your win @turbid needle! but the channel for posting this is #h1-victory-boasting

[sonic mural]

ok very cool standard build...? seastorm kinda useless without poseidon dash tho

[keen mesa]

Ugh I messed up so bad...

that screenshot I posted

I forgot I took purging pact

and only had my attack and clean kill boons

and had to purge clean kill

[sonic mural]

only 15% thats not too bad

[keen mesa]

and both of them were set to be heroic thanks to boon from demeter

[sonic mural]

oof

[keen mesa]

I abandoned the run

and started over

most things when you restart a run after abandoning are exactly the same

you'll be offered the same boon choices for instance... EXCEPT from CHaos

So I lost my 78% Attack from ADdled Strike

[coarse moss]

would just roll with it tbh. build still good

[keen mesa]

instead I have 131% more darkness and gems...

[finite siren]

is it a feat to beat extreme measures hades in about 2 minutes

[median matrix]

i just had a run where i did over 2400 damage every once and a while

i say every once and a while cause i had a 5% crit chance BUT

[finite siren]

i'll do you one better
i had a chiron bow run with 395% special damage upgrade

[median matrix]

OOOHHHHGGG

YEAH I HAD THAT BEFORE

[finite siren]

i made about 1500 every time i fired the special

[median matrix]

THAT WAS AWESOME

err, something close

[finite siren]

and i had about 10% crit chance

[median matrix]

niiiceeee

[finite siren]

i had the +4 arrows upgrade, the 3 base damage upgrade

insane

i literally beat third phase of hades in 22 seconds

[median matrix]

idk how worth it the ||butterfly|| is vs the ||pom flower|| for absurd damage runs, the ladder is more consistent if you have fewer boons imo

yeah i didnt get that lucky, sadly

[keen mesa]

You mean like this?

https://i.imgur.com/t9zUfsJ.jpg

😉

[finite siren]

I feel like it's not a lot

[keen mesa]

It is once you get to Styx chambers

[finite siren]

right

[keen mesa]

33 chambers = 8 levels

[finite siren]

also I discovered beowulf today

quite a funny shield, dealt 500 per bull rush as soon as the third room in tartarus

[keen mesa]

Fun fact: If you get Defiance from Chaos, which adds an additional Death Defiance

and you "lose" it by dying (it uses it first)

Kiss of Styx Premium will restore it

Which means you can go back up to having 4 charges

[pastel hamlet]

is it just me or are aphro attack and special boons really strong lol

[coarse moss]

aphro gives highest % to those, yes

[pastel hamlet]

yeah and also has weak to make enemies deal less damage

[coarse moss]

that is good too

[nocturne pivot]

wait aphro is the strongest booster?

maybe i do have a reason to use her then lol

[tame bison]

She’s one of the best Gods in the game

Almost all of her boons are great

Not using her would be a gigantic handicap

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/2QA9cHv.jpg

I hate having to decide like this...

[polar valley]

hey fellas

[keen mesa]

Hades punishing spin is one of my favorites

I'm using ASpect of Zeus shield

I took the ares/dio

I can always buy hammer later guranteed

and I have nothing for pom to upgrade meaningfully

[polar valley]

hammer? guaranteed?

[keen mesa]

If you don't take hammer that's offered to you in tartarus

it'll show up at the shop before boss

for 200

[polar valley]

ooh

nice tidbid

thanks

[coarse moss]

achilles damage is ideal for spamming cast. meanwhile hades spear can do huge spins thats more interesting than achilles i feel

[tame bison]

You can skip in Tartarus completely and get 2 in elysium also, right click

[coarse moss]

i say that because cast build is more fun when you use hidden shield aspect 😁

[queen patrol]

whats a good hera build?

[tame bison]

Almost anything but Demeter. Trippy shot can be awkward but it’s still good

Crush Shot is probably the best

[queen patrol]

which duos to go for

[tame bison]

Ones that affect Casts

There’s like 10 or 12 that are totally fine.

[queen patrol]

do you take interal soul or stygian

for crush shot

[opal lodge]

infernal usually

[tame bison]

Infernal

[queen patrol]

which attack boon should i focus on?

artemis?

[opal lodge]

doesnt matter too much

artemis is good

[tame bison]

Hmm Zeus shield really doesn’t care about Chaos boons much huh? Like all my dmg is Doom and status effects

I guess attack% for bull rush

@queen patrol hera is also a pretty good target for Privileged Status bc you could have Aphro Cast plus any status attack

Like Poseidon attack with rupture boon or Doom for example

Demeter attack

Doom + Aphro cast is fun bc you can get that duo boon

Athena strike plus Blinding Flash . Many choices

[rancid crag]

hey guys just wanted to throw this... isn't like shield with power shot a little too strong?

[tame bison]

You wanted to...throw...us a question about the shield..

Eh? Eh?

Just kinda toss it out there?

[rancid crag]

im arguing if shield with power shot is op

you can say no, you can say yes, its that simple actually

[coarse moss]

the minotaur rush hammer?

[rancid crag]

i cant recall the exact name, but yes its the hammer that converts your bull rush to a ranged shot

[coarse moss]

oh different one

it is pretty good, though i value bullrush for moving through things safely. like for picking up bloodstones on beowulf aspect

[rancid crag]

ah havent unlocked beowulf yet so cant say much ;p

but i think any bull rush upgrade in that matter is strong

1v1 boss fights become extremely easy

like last one

[coarse moss]

yup, just blocking is everything is a strong strat

[rancid crag]

yea lol

i really wondered if it needs nerf

like the 45 sec survive chambers also become a complete joke with this

and if u get poseidon boons you just play pinball

[coarse moss]

haha get beowulf you'll love it

[rancid crag]

okay it'll be next i get

[sonic mural]

you still wanna kill as many enemies in 45 sec survive chambers as you can

for more gold

[rancid crag]

well sure, you don't get a ton of it but you do get

still with charged shot (that's the upgrade actual name), you just sit in a corner, block and farm lul

[keen mesa]

there is a limit to the gold though in the survival encounter

[rancid crag]

oh didnt know that

[vapid yacht]

Ran a few times with the Nemesis Sword, it does a lot of damage but it also leaves you too exposed to get hit

[rancid crag]

yea nemesis is cool

combined with attack bonus from artemis

speaking of which is the +15 crit bonus from artemis additive?

[vapid yacht]

I think so

[rancid crag]

i mean thats what would make sense

[cunning urchin]

Crit chance is additive.

[rancid crag]

i see

but yea with nemesis if u do proper combo you have +30% crit forever

[vapid yacht]

Except for Heart Rend apparently that's multiplicative

[rancid crag]

ah yeah

[cunning urchin]

Special > Cast > Dash-Strike x2 if you want to optimize your DPS.

Heart Rend is bonus crit damage not chance, and it's additive.

[rancid crag]

im normally doing special, dash atk, auto, auto repeat, but hey i play still low heat what do i know

[vapid yacht]

Oh yeah it's damage

[rancid crag]

with nemesis u basically get weaken on your special and just get extra damage

if u have that or sweet surrender

[astral helm]

So is the consensus on fists that ares merciful end builds are best or is it a Zeus lightning attack build? See both at high heat but not sure why people got Zues over ares.

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/3B3qjee.jpg

I need Arctic Blast now

for the explosion on 10 stacks

[gusty rapids]

basically, merciful end has a higher upside when it gets working, but needs a LOT to work properly (ares attack, Athena special and dash, ME itself, etc). whereas zeus fists don’t really need much, just zeus attack artemis special then whatever zeus T2s you can snag

zeus fists are more consistent

[coarse moss]

and some heat options make getting good boons hard, so relying on a duo doesnt work in that case

[weak violet]

Question: what is the percentage of getting hermes legendaries without gods legacy?

[opal lodge]

lol

1%

im not kidding

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/SgWFd7R.jpg

Not even close...

So I was at 1 health and dashing (with deflect) like mad

popped Companion Mort for 3500 damage lol

just to end the fight as quickly as possible

[weak violet]

Huh, cuz to me it feels a bit uncommon to get hermes legendaries even without gods legacy

[opal lodge]

yeah without legacy you will basically never get it

unless you have a nectar/yarn

[weak violet]

Yet I get either during elysium or styx

[turbid needle]

Question! Kind of new so bare with me, does changing my Cast (little red diamond) to a different move completely remove my Boiling Blood ability that I get at the Mirror? (Deal bonus damage to foes with the red diamond on them)

[balmy portal]

some do

[cloud vault]

No, so long as it sticks in the enemy

[balmy portal]

notably dionysis and demeter

[cloud vault]

If it appears above their health bar you're okay

[turbid needle]

So I should start keeping an eye out for which abilities still keep that diamond above their health bar?

[dry ember]

Depends on the cast. Stuff like Trippy Shot, Crystal Beam, Blade Rifts don't lodge and hence you don't get the bonus.

[balmy portal]

any that launch a projectile that impacts an enemy generally still get stuck

[dry ember]

But most casts do retain the bonus.

[turbid needle]

Cool! Thanks for that

[cloud vault]

Don't think those are bad, btw

Those 3 are some of the strongest casts you can have

[turbid needle]

Honestly the casts that don't lodge tend to make up for the loss of Boiling Blood by doing some nice damage themselves

Oh no, I really like Blade Rift, was simply curious about how that Boiling Blood was affected by the different casts

[dry ember]

I think Trippy Shot, Crystal Beam, and Blade Rifts are the only exceptions.

[turbid needle]

Also, what do you think is more efficient? Shadow Presence or Fiery Presence?

[cloud vault]

Usually Shadow

[dry ember]

I get more mileage out of Shadow.

[cloud vault]

Fiery is niche

[dry ember]

Though I have seen Fiery being used in some context

[cloud vault]

Fiery is good on Hestia for example

[turbid needle]

Gotcha. Last one, Death Defiance or Stubborn Defiance?

[balmy portal]

How often do you death defy? 😄

[cloud vault]

DD until high heat

[coarse moss]

fiery can be good for 1shotting things in rooms, shadow is good for boss

[balmy portal]

but yeah generally death defiance; you can buy more at wells or find the story in elesium for a full refill

or athena

[cloud vault]

Stubborn is primarily part of a high heat strategy that runs Lasting Consequences 4

[turbid needle]

I usually do pretty good. I've only got like 6 hours on the game but I can make it to that Minotaur guy without dying once, so I feel like Death Defiance would be the better choice for me personally.

[balmy portal]

definitely sounds like it

[cloud vault]

Yep. And look out for Athena some of her boons restore death defiances

[turbid needle]

Oh do they? I'll keep an eye out for that

[coarse moss]

if you're like, always running from enemies using bow or something, usually youre not backstabbing them. fiery does more in that case

[cloud vault]

Yeah there's 2. You'll see

[balmy portal]

note that Athena's boons that restore death defiance don't if you're already full 😦

[cloud vault]

Yeah. They also improve the death defiance a little but ehh, rarely worthwhile just for that

Very good picks if runnning Stubborn though

[balmy portal]

especially if you die in that room

...that still feels buggy to me.

[polar valley]

What does the Guan Yu spear actually do?

the wiki just says it is a frost fair blade

but less life and healing

and different movesets I think

[balmy portal]

reduces your health (50% at max upgrade), your auto chain gets slower but stronger, your charged attack is a thrown spinning spear that gives you 1 health back per hit

and your special doesn't have to be recalled

[polar valley]

auto chain?

[balmy portal]

sorry, just attacking

[polar valley]

oh

hmmm

sounds interesting

I hear mixed things about it alot

it being really OP

or just garbage

[tame bison]

And the special is an exploding spear that does more dmg than regular spear

It’s quite good but with a high learning curve

Incidentally: I just discovered that Arthur special makes Aphrodite god trial pretty trivial. The heart attack just gets stuck in your special aura and becomes super easy to avoid

[cloud vault]

It's not so much exploding, more like piercing

Guan Yu Spear is definitely a git gud weapon

[coarse moss]

guan yu is fun!

[tame bison]

Oh god random hammer gave me Dash Nova. I take it back I take it back!!!

[dry ember]

Yeah, because it has upside and downside. So it's simultaneously OP and garbo.

[tame bison]

It is pretty Garbo until you max it also

[coarse moss]

this is true

[wanton comet]

Is this the chat for people who completed one run of the game but are still very new to optimization?

Like I've got no idea if there's boons I shouldn't be taking or what to avoid

[dry shuttle]

kind of

I feel like players of any skill level can come here to share or request advice

[mighty ermine]

It's not really specific to any player group, really. Just be aware that there are spoilers for aspects and bosses, etc.

[wanton comet]

Oh

I think I've seen all the variations for the first two bosses

But I haven't seen any for the heroes

Only seen minos and theasus

[sonic mural]

i feel like #h1-for-new-players is better for only one run

[wanton comet]

Or if there's variation in the hades fight

[sonic mural]

there arent any variations for last 2 bosses unless you turn up heat for that tho

[wanton comet]

Like the techniques?

[sonic mural]

yes