Zeus attack could work? Demeter with the one that turns stacked chills into explosions?
#h1-builds-and-combat
tranquil violet
spark meteor
i mean the heart rend chiron build is the go to for chiron but yeah those could work
icy glade
demeter is fine, so is dio
tranquil violet
Heart Rend Chiron too stronk
spark meteor
honestly tho rama zeus is more fun
spark meteor
zeus on special i mean
tranquil violet
And the duos all synergize really nicely
Hangover -> +1.5% crit per stack
Weak -> +150% crit damage
Then add the base crit increase boons, extra damage to weak enemies, contagious hangover, extra hangover stacks on weak, marked etc
It all just synergizes so nicely
I'd like to find some other Chiron build that works similarly well though.
sonic juniper
karmic tendon
Oh, ok.
stone harbor
I'd like to find some other Chiron build that works similarly well though.
Go dio special and get duo boons with aphro and ares
Aphro on the attack
turbid needle
i'm kind of bored w/ spear does anyone have any fun build ideas for it
stark heath
Olympian Favour doesn't include Chaos in the bonus, I assume. Also, can every god spawn during a run, or is there a hard/soft cap to it?
opal lodge
4 usually, occasionally 5
you can only get 5 if say
you have the 4th in a midshop
and the 5th in the next room
or if you force them with keepsakes
nova shale
Are some enemies immune to backstabs? I got shadow slash on excalibur and noticed that I couldn't seem to get backstabs on some enemies
Such as stones, hydra heads, and the pests/bothers
turbid needle
Yes.
Some of them, like 'Stones, Soul Catchers, and Pests/Bothers make sense, but I do wish we could backstab Lernie and his heads.
nova shale
Yeah, the heads aren't amorphous like the others
stark heath
Righteo, thanks for the reply :)
nova shale
I can get not being able to backstab things that don't have a back, same way I can't knockback those enemies that are rooted in the ground
tame bison
I had no idea I couldn’t backstab the hydra...
I really should stop standing in magma to land backstabs I gues
old mist
Are any of the bow aspects objectively the best rn or nah
turbid needle
Probably Rama.
turbid needle
I think someone got the first 60 Heat clear today with it.
old mist
Oh damn
gusty rapids
yeah tailesque did
old mist
Heat is like added difficulty right
turbid needle
Yes.
old mist
I haven’t gotten a clear yet
opal lodge
objectively depends on what you want to do
turbid needle
That was very nearly the maximum difficulty achievable in-game.
old mist
Wow
opal lodge
rama is probably best for high heat
rama/hera/zag bow all are pretty good for going fast
chiron is very safe
old mist
For first run does it matter
old mist
Ok
humble gate
Chiron sucks without lots of blood to level it up though
old mist
For Chiron the best hammers are relentless and concentrated volley right
old mist
Chiron sucks without lots of blood to level it up though
Ty, noted
muted herald
what does unspoken bond mean
opal lodge
yeah you basically need a ton of blood
muted herald
i just got it on my charon keepsake
opal lodge
if you want a weapon that's good straight out the gate go for poseidon sword
turbid needle
Just flavor text, PotatoKaiser.
tame bison
Been avoiding Aphro Call for a while and just took it and had a pretty funny run
Aphro legend and call to charm things and boons that randomly generate Call. Just charmed everything
gloomy zenith
is it just me or is dionises underwhelming
even if you get the right build it’s not that good
dry ember
Hangover by itself is kinda eh imo. But his Trippy Shot and tier 2 are excellent
Strong Drink, Premium Vintage, etc. are top tier.
turbid needle
I actually really like hangover, but that's because I'm a sucker for damage over time
gloomy zenith
his utility boons are good and i’ve heard his cast is amazing
i’ve had a lot of fun with hangover builds but it’s just not as good as other stuff
turbid needle
I will agree on that. One time I got festive fog, which is not my favourite, with some great duo boons (demeter, zeus) and it completely annihilated hades.
I had upgraded it a lot aha
stone harbor
Hangover on chiron works great with duo boons but otherwise it is pretty underwhelming
It's an easy status curse and the call is great though
gloomy zenith
hangover requires you to make your whole build around it and get duos
opal lodge
dio/arty/aphro classic trio
you get low tolerance/splitting HA/heart rend and suddenly your hangover crits for like 40 a tick
it's funny
opal lodge
if you have splitting headache/PP anything you do can crit
if you have hunter's mark, literally anything can crit
including summons/traps
stone harbor
I knew in theory that they could crit but I never played dio artemis aphro and I play a ton of dio on chiron
dry ember
Pressure Point can make everything crit, including Doom damage
Which is funny when it happens.
opal lodge
i personally love stygian shard trap crits
dry ember
Bring back old shackle
fair cairn
two runs in a row no hunting blades no black metal no engulfing vortex all the way up to styx ugh
stone harbor
F
fair cairn
and got no cast nor attack boons from 3 chaos gates
stone harbor
chaos special damage does not apply to boons, righht? I have dio special
stray apex
If i choose deathless stand from athena, will i get extra death defiance even though i have skellys keepsake
stone harbor
you will not get extra defiances if you ahve no slots
stray apex
What is max death defiance slots
gusty rapids
you can get 3 from the mirror
stray apex
I have 4 already
stray apex
3 from mirror and 1 from skelly
stray apex
Ok thanks man
gusty rapids
np
stone harbor
you can get one more from chaos
fair cairn
chaos special damage does not apply to boons, righht? I have dio special
"attack damage" or "special damage" only applies to the hit itself, does not apply to the extra boon effect like lightning, doom or hangover
royal helm
Correct, only scales the base damage of the weapon
deft dome
stubborn roots boon is so cheese
analog patio
Whats the best aspect for the twin fists?
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect.
analog patio
Demeter Aspect.
Thanks
royal helm
I think Zag fists are actually better for a new player... but yeah. Demeter fist fully maxed is better
coarse moss
while not as damaging as demeter aspect, talos is satisfying when you can pull all the pesky witches and archers. i like to use tidal dash with it. push, and pull. like yo yo 😆
icy glade
full talos yoyo with rupture and tidal flourish is really fun
stone harbor
full talos yoyo with rupture and tidal flourish is really fun
is that a pure meme build or does it actually work?
coarse moss
fist special is 60 damage, and tidal flourish is 70%dmg at common rarity. pretty strong
rupture is great too
stone harbor
how well does it do againt late game?
coarse moss
poseidon is amazing at room clear, but a bit lacking on bosses. can get sea storm and jolt for that, but does okay without
talos can put enemies on traps. like the saws in styx deal 600 damage
icy glade
its a meme, but at low to mid heat meme builds are fine
bright sandal
Wait I just read that if you time a melee deflect, you block and reflect the enemies attack against themselves, which sounds insane to me. Does anyone actually use this effectively as a playstyle and I've been using Athena boons wrong the entire time?
mellow forge
I mean that would be very high risk trying to pull it off consistently
bright sandal
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
I wonder how that works with the fists (especially with the Hermes attack speed boon), cuz I imagine you hit so fast you could deflect every attack coming at you
cosmic hornet
I wonder how that works with the fists (especially with the Hermes attack speed ...
this is exactly why people recommend athena on fists
the problem is sometimes the hitbox just spawn on top of you, in which case you'll still get hit
bright sandal
I literally found out about Priority mechanics yesterday, 250 hours in and I'm still finding out new stuff everyday, man this game is deep
tame bison
I’ve heard you can also fist punch deflect Asterius in the face to stop his charge? Cannot confirm tho.
bright sandal
I can see that being a very effective strategy with Long Knuckle
languid dagger
guys, does Rama's charged power shot after dash counts as dash-strike?
coarse moss
yes
magic stone
What is the best weapon in the game?
keen mesa
they
coarse moss
everyone has different opinions on that 😄
keen mesa
they're all good...
turbid needle
Erith is currently the fastest
dawn sequoia
What's a good cast for beowulf besides tripod shot
dawn sequoia
Trippy
turbid needle
tripod shot lmao
dawn sequoia
I'm using my phone LOL
turbid needle
aphro/arty cast r good on it
coarse moss
love poseidon cast on beowulf
turbid needle
rare crop and trades
keen mesa
ambrosia from eurydice
turbid needle
oh that too
stone harbor
do you have boon rarity from chaos?
turbid needle
thats common rare crop tho
turbid needle
it comes w time
keen mesa
meh, I died
stone harbor
F
keen mesa
I went into hades fight with half health and one death defiance
dawn sequoia
Riiip
keen mesa
and phalanx cast is super low damage for cast
stone harbor
yeah you get that damage number with a level 3-5 low rarity aphro cast
dawn sequoia
Aspect of guan yu with aphrodite legendary
keen mesa
ugh spear...
keen mesa
the only reason I even like guan yu is because the attack hits so hard
but I end up relying on the spin attack for health gain, and then I die trying to get it off
stone harbor
I am still in the process of upgrading GY
vale imp
That’s the mistake right there
keen mesa
I am awful with timing that
stone harbor
I'm not going to try playing with 40 hp lol
vale imp
The spin attack is a trap 90% of the time
dawn sequoia
Yee I have to rely on hammer
vale imp
The healing is barely noticeable unless it’s a huge pack
keen mesa
starting at 50 health isn't the problem -- it's the rest of it that's the problem... 3 life from darkness, 12 life from centaur hearts, ugh
dawn sequoia
But it's not bad right? U just spam spins with aphrodite. Spin weakens hades and can charm him
coarse moss
i like guan yu, but the healing is too low to rely on. i do spam the spin though, its damage is good, and kiting enemies into it is not too bad
vale imp
I prefer the special myself
vale imp
Hits hard and the AOE is huge
turbid needle
wait how TF did you get phalanx to lv 11 LOL
keen mesa
pom blossom
stone harbor
No chaos rooms for u
you might be able to if you get good RNG on the cost to enter
turbid needle
oh
dawn sequoia
Lowest u can get is 21 right?
stone harbor
I think so
dawn sequoia
Eh
dawn sequoia
For chaos rooms
turbid needle
highest I've seen is lv 37 aphro attack
dawn sequoia
Lowest hp roll you can get is 21
keen mesa
oh right
turbid needle
I wish chaos gates would let you in even if u would die from it
keen mesa
take chaos egg
stone harbor
I would not take egg, it does not guarantee that a gate spawns
coarse moss
last few runs chaos only offered me the upgrades i dont want 😦
stone harbor
or maybe half the hp or soemthing
dawn sequoia
It just gives more chance for rare boons right?
turbid needle
ye
stone harbor
yes and entering a gate is free
dawn sequoia
I think only time I took chaos egg was when I was hunting for his legendary boon and leveling the keepsake
keen mesa
if you're using olympian favor and gods' pride (40% for rare and 20% for epic), there is no reason to take chaos egg
then take fated persuasion and reroll, you'll get the boon you want from chaos
turbid needle
why would u be using olympian favor thi
stone harbor
||chaos offers a quest to use the egg during the hades fight||
turbid needle
dark foresight slaps boisterously
keen mesa
because I'd rather have a rare boon than a common
dawn sequoia
I didn't have mirror upgrades at that time
turbid needle
I'd rather have more boons
n the difference between rare/common is p much the same as a pom level
turbid needle
ye
coarse moss
doing high heat i really dont want to see blue laurel rooms
turbid needle
^
keen mesa
well, that hurt... just went down my first chaos portal
Now I'm at 8 out of 28 health.
calm saddle
lol
turbid needle
high confidence lv 1 gy
dawn sequoia
What's blue laurel rooms again
stone harbor
why would you do that lol
calm saddle
cmon up it
dawn sequoia
Yee maybe I will
I'm trying to max all aspects rn soo there's that too
This channel does super high heat makes me want to up it
stone harbor
do erebus lol
keen mesa
god that's a tough one
erebus it is
there's nothing I want from ares and I'd probably die there
stone harbor
did you know that flame wheels can spawn in erebus if you are in tartarus?
lost to that the first time I tried an erebus gate
keen mesa
rofl
they can spawn wherever
I just had them
but spear and dash knockback took care of that
stone harbor
all the other stuff was tartarus mobs though
I had a melee weapon and was in my third room or something iirc
coarse moss
This channel does super high heat makes me want to up it
i just jumped from low heat to high. fun 😄
my latest adventure
queen patrol
Hera bow with Athena cast with zesus duo work?
stone harbor
it should
queen patrol
Or would Artemis be better with mirage shot
stone harbor
I would not though, part of the appeal of athena cast is that it deflects on its flight path and hera removes that
hera bow is good with dio because the normal animation for diuo cast is quite long
or aphro because the cast has no range
queen patrol
Ohh ok that makes sense. Athena cast on pos sword to me is just op
stone harbor
athena cast does not really deal a lot of damage and the deflect is better on dash, you can do a lot better than athena cast
queen patrol
I find the damage insane with Artemis legendary and zesus dip
Duo
I drop bosses/rooms in seconds
stone harbor
you can get 4 digit damage with artemis legendary and dio cast
especially if you also get zeus-dio
stone harbor
if you use beowulf it is quite easy but it should also be possible on hera
stone harbor
try going for the hermes legendary with stygian soul and try getting extra casts from chaos
cast trippy and lightning on anything that's not dash
does not really matter
dawn sequoia
Arty legendary O_O so annoying to get
stone harbor
I would prohably go ffor dio attack as well and get the dio legendary, but at that point the build requires so much rare stuff that it is basically pure theorycraftiing
queen patrol
Ok gonna try it
stone harbor
priorities are chaos bonus casts > zeus > preparing for artemis legendary IMO
if you get offered artemis legendary definitely go for that though
best aspect is beowul IMO
queen patrol
Yea will try out on both bow and shield
stone harbor
if you get beowulf go for fiery presence in the mirror
queen patrol
Won’t fiery be better with both
stone harbor
yeah true
poseidon sword is better than bow if you can deal with the cast time btw
eris rail as well
queen patrol
Yea
Gonna play shield been awhile
Use to love chaos
Find damage sucks now unless u know a build lol
half light
@quartz swallow holy Piorda wrote out a few messages basically comparing everything
le second one
le third
pine flax
does the no boon hades kill count if you just purge all your boons by thee time you fight him?
turbid needle
yeah
er
100% Olympian-free means no boons other than chaos for the entire run
you still get the special dialogue if u purge the boons tho
pine flax
you can get breaching slash on all blade aspects right?
sonic mural
the wiki prolly has the answer
tame bison
Can you use Sisyphus trinket for no boon kill?
mellow forge
Yes
viral forge
Hi, I'm relativly new to playing Hades and I'm having a bit of a tough time getting all of the legendary boons.
raven aspen
How not to speedrun with 5 dashes
https://youtu.be/3D1ui95vKMo
keen mesa
400 damage per second.
just from hangover
whoops, my bad, actually 224 damage per second
the damage shown in game is per second, although the damage says it ticks every 0.5 seconds
tranquil violet
So, why is Rama considered so good on high heat?
cloud vault
Um, it's 18 damage every half second per stack
tranquil violet
I haven't been able to figure out how to use shared suffering effectively, though I do like it's move pool.
cloud vault
Rama is good because Rama needs no help to clear rooms
All you need is shackle and 1 decent hammer by Elysium
tranquil violet
Maybe I'm just using it wrong, Shared Suffering seems to underwhelm
Shackle lol? Huh.
cloud vault
Shared suffering amplifies your damage by a ton
Tag 3 things with it, hit all of them with a power shot.
tranquil violet
Yeah but setting it up is tricky and everything is already dead by the time I can use it usually.
I guess I just need to play with it more
cloud vault
Rama has a very high skill ceiling
tranquil violet
Why Shackle instead of just using some nice boon?
cloud vault
High heat requires you to really play optimally
And a part of high heat is playing with limitations like Routine Inspection and Approval Process 2
tranquil violet
Ahhhh right right
cloud vault
Which means you might not get any good boons. Meanwhile Shackle gives you 100% damage on the attack, special and cast
tranquil violet
So in theory boons could be better but you can't rely on get torn any good ones, let alone any synergies
Okay I see now
cloud vault
The idea is to use shackle until you luck into something good
And even if you don't, it still works alright
tranquil violet
Aphro or something I guess?
cloud vault
Aphro attack is quite good
opal lodge
aphro/arty are both popular
tranquil violet
it's Aphro -> Demeter -> Poseidon in order of plain damage boost right?
Artemis having less flat boost but also crits
sonic mural
athena is pretty high up i think
cloud vault
I think Athena is equal or better than Poseidon
For straight damage
Poseidon can most likely be MADE better with the support boons it can get
Like more damage to bosses, more damage when slamming and so on.
sonic mural
plain damage boost tho
tranquil violet
then welcome to the slam
sonic mural
pretty sure aphro, athena are top two
cloud vault
Demeter is pretty good on either
I think thunder special is pretty popular right now too
tranquil violet
I'm still playing single digit heat ¯_(ツ)_/¯
More a function of just working my way up with each weapon, after the first couple heats I haven't really hit any wall
Just working my way up with mostly EM and MM
cloud vault
That is a good thing to do
tranquil violet
But I would like to get into Rama
I usually play Chiron, Achilles, Guan Yu and Arthur
cloud vault
You might not hit a wall until 16 or even 25, but you'll definitely feel the heat on 32.
tranquil violet
Need to diversify but some of the weapons just haven't fully clicked yet
Fists and rail are especially weird to use for me
I like the weapons that allow me to either not take damage (Chiron, Achilles, Guan Yu) or reduce/tank it (Arthur) :p
Idk why but I always end up taking way too much damage with the rail
rare kindle
I really like Rama bow, it has both aoe and large single target damage
So I don’t mind the charge up time
tranquil violet
Yeah I've liked using it I just haven't really gotten into it
sonic mural
lightning attack, poseidon dash, artemis/athena special
sonic mural
if ur playing below 20 heat, play as aggressive as possible and make sure to spam special everytime you reload
try to go for cluster rocket if possible
keen delta
so far so good, got lightning strike and Poseidon dash and delta chamber
sonic mural
oh and maybe get flood shot to get sea storm but it isnt necessary
pale kayak
I just had an absolutely killer run with Eris
Curse of Agony+Druken Flourish
Couple that with Rocket and Cluster Bombs... and things just died.
plain plover
What is everyones favorite aspect?
pale kayak
Chrion is probably a favorite of mine
Fire and forget.
The special literally does the work for you. lmao
sonic mural
dunno why you would go curse of agony on a fast hitting weapon even with the stacking boon it i think zeus is still better
pale kayak
@sonic mural Because DoT
And because I have the mirror perk that does more damage to enemies that have at least two status effects.
sonic mural
yah but zeus has better room clear and better boss dps i think, also family favorites
pale kayak
I didn't need family favorites, plus I wanted to try something new.
plain plover
Aspect of hera is a big one for me.
I also learned how amazing it is at the start with shattered shackle
pale kayak
Hera's nice
plain plover
Hunting blades blender ftw
I am wondering what cast would work well with ||beowulf||
But i dont even have it on my switch file yet
sonic mural
aphro + infernal, dio + stygian
plain plover
Infernal is the one that regens, right?
sonic mural
no thats stygian i think
plain plover
Oh, so dio regen, aphro triple?
sonic mural
aphro pops out immediately, dio doesnt
if you get lucky with chaos on dio, you can get 3+ casts anyways which regen
plain plover
I guess aphro would immediately one shot most things, and you wouldnt have to deal with the long time festive fog takes for dio
sonic mural
nah festive fog can one shot things too
plain plover
Oh yeah, but the lasting effect takes a while, which is why i assume you said to use regen for that
sonic mural
yah, it takes a while to come out from ground but the immediate dps burst is at the beginning
plain plover
Dios is the strongest cast in the game, for initial damage
pale kayak
Lightning Strike is always a good starting boon, imo
viral star
yeah!
plain plover
I am always partial to dionysus, but that's just me. Zeus is quite good though
turbid needle
what's a good aspect for the rail
plain plover
I think i have heard eris is good
turbid needle
yeah im checking it out rn
+75% bonus damage when maxed out
if you absorb your special damage
plain plover
What would everyone say is their theoretical perfect run is
stone harbor
A highly maxed out trippy flare beowulf run
plain plover
For me its all blade rift upgrades hera
sonic mural
4 chaos + all story rooms
tawny meadow
Eris was stupid strong even before the buff to 75%
bright sandal
I'm so torn on this, I'm being offered Jolted and Double Strike (both epic), while running Rama with a rare Zeus special.
I think both options are amazing, Jolted giving me Privileged Status, and Double Strike opening up the possibility for the legendary later on.
What's the right choice here?
tawny meadow
jolted if you're running priv status IMO
gusty rapids
thats always a hard decision
i usually base it off of the rarity of the two boons, how early on i am in the run (earlier means more chances for legendary), and how my damage is feeling
usually i think jolted ends up being correct though, its just so good
mighty ermine
i'd agree with jolted for that one, running PS
bright sandal
Yeah I think I'm gonna go jolted, and hopefully get another shot at the legendary later, not that it really matters at this point since now it's entering Win More territory but that's the fun part
gusty rapids
one of the things i like about rama zeus spam specifically is that since its on the special, the legendary prerequisites are actually good boons to take
whereas storm lightning is just kinda bleh
mighty ermine
yeah, double strike is just legitimately good on its own
molten yacht
Hi everyone! I'm at 30 run on Hades and I have a doubt Hangover (IMHO the strongest boons of the game)
how do it stuck if I have more boons with hangover but with different damage (like 10 and 5)?
mighty ermine
Newer hangover stacks overwrite the earlier ones, even if the new stack is weaker
turbid needle
The damage of a stack is tied to the boon it comes from
molten yacht
What if he already have 5 stacks? The weaker one could overwrite the strongest one?
turbid needle
Not good to have multiple sources, since you risk overwriting your stronger stacks with weaker stacks
Newest replaces oldest iirc
molten yacht
oh thanks!
bright sandal
Speaking of Hangover, I see a lot of people say that Hangover is better on faster weapons, when I used to think it wasn't that good because it stopped stacking after 5.
Is it good because you can stack it to the max quicker and enemies die too quickly for the inability to scale after 5 to matter?
molten yacht
it's good because you can apply 5 stack easily while dodging
hangover on the Uzi (don't remember the name) attack is basically free win
unless you take the "buff" that you fire 6 shot in a istant but at a very short range. That it's way harder LOL
Last question: does rarity only change the starting damage? Or there are other differences?
mighty ermine
Speaking of Hangover, I see a lot of people say that Hangover is better on faste...
hangover stacks don't last very long, so even if you manage to build up five on a slower weapon, they'd decay very quickly
faster weapons allow you to keep it at 5 stacks pretty much all of the time
bright sandal
Ah yeah, gotcha, makes sense
raven aspen
sullen valley
You what
dry ember
Trap damage
turbid needle
short hazel
what’s a good achilles build?
gusty rapids
cast builds work great w achilles
usually you build up your cast and try to supplement it with flurry jab or serrated point if you can grab those, since achilles doesnt have a way of actually retrieving bloodstones like poseidon or hera
short hazel
yeah i’ve tried zeus cast and dionysus cast
i’ve heard zeus cast is one of the better ones but what else should i pair it with
rare kindle
I’ve had curse of drowning work really well with Achilles
I think non lodging casts work better with Achilles
gusty rapids
if you want a really fun build try hunting blades
zeus is the one used for speedrunning since it clears rooms very well
i think if u can snag flurry jab u want things like artemis attack, maybe poseidon dash
that could high roll into mirage shot but is a bit of a reach
opal lodge
flurry jab zeus attack also just goes dummy insane
gusty rapids
artemis or aphro attack imo
still ridge
Just had one of my best runs so far using the Hera bow with Aphrodite ‘s cast (supported with some Athena boons). It was a lot of fun but I’m wondering if there’s a better god to help support that build.
ashen bough
How do I post images here
I just wanna post my boons here before I get beat up by hades
Cause I got 4 duo boons this one runa
And I had a chance to get another one but I didn’t because divine dash
sonic mural
hollow helm
what's the best cast to use for Poseidon Sword?
fair cairn
any that can embed
I personally like arty because it's good burst damage and you need it for her legendary/duo anyway
plus exit wounds
dont use demeter, ares, dio since they dont embed
turbid needle
just use Achilles at that point
I did have fun w hunting blades poseidon sword tho
opal lodge
arty is sick
but its not the best imo
zeus/poseidon are both quite good
crush shot can be too
fair cairn
zeus is also cool
turbid needle
Poseidon cast slaps
exotic robin
So what is a decent attack build for eris for when hammers dont give you special upgrades?
turbid needle
zeus
frigid pewter
What are good builds for chaos aspect
icy glade
arty/aphro special for good dmg
turbid needle
doom special
cosmic hornet
doom/zeus special, dont take crit or %increase because base damage for special is low
tranquil violet
Had anyone found any way to make Cold Embrace even passably good?
Like every other Duo has a playstyle where it works but Cold Embrace just seems... bad
fair cairn
chain shot doesnt either
only the central shot of triple shot triggers the lock
for chain shot only the first hit
stray apex
What is the Best hammer for aspect of Lucifer and what are good boons for it?
If someone answer pls @me
kindred trout
Just had one of my best runs so far using the Hera bow with Aphrodite ‘s cast (s...
I love Crush Shot builds for Hera Bow. Artemis is the first support god I'd look for: exit wounds, fully loaded, and pressure points are all good. Mirage Shot (artemis/poseidon) is great if you can get it, and Deadly Reversal (artemis/athena) is good too.
Athena is my second favorite god. Divine Dash is awesome and Parting Shot (Aphro/Athena) is probably the single best duo boon for Crush Shot builds.
Zeus is good for Smoldering Air (aphro/zeus duo that makes the god gauge fill up really fast) with Zeus' Aid, Athena's Aid, or especially Poseidon's Aid. Ares is okay for the doom attack and Curse of Longing duo (aphro/ares). Poseidon is decent if you already have Artemis or Zeus. Avoid Dionysus and Demeter.
olive goblet
Is there a graphical tree/guide to which boons are required for duo/legendary boons?
tranquil violet
Yes, though it slightly out of date @olive goblet
I can link it lemme just find a copy online as we can't upload images here
olive goblet
Awesome, cheers!
tranquil violet
It's not explicitly for the duos
But it does show them on the right hand side
In general most duos require one of the main moveset boons or a specific one (usually the cast).
olive goblet
Excellent! Looks like the legendaries are the final stage of the tree
Thanks a bunch!
untold vortex
that diagram is out of date @tranquil violet
tranquil violet
Yeah as I mentioned before
There's been some changes in recent patches but it's mostly correct
Just double check the codex
olive goblet
Even still, I assume that at least some of them are correct
I was just randomly hoping for duos before 🙂
untold vortex
there's stuff pinned in this channel that is up to date however
tranquil violet
You sure? I don't see anything in the pins that's obviously equivalent.
untold vortex
their was stuff pinned here
tranquil violet
@olive goblet that chart is also missing the other tree for Poseidon
If you want to get the fishing related legendary
untold vortex
the in game codex is really the best source right now
tranquil violet
Yeah I would suggest always checking the codex
You can open it at any time even during boon selection
Chart is useful to get a general idea/overview though
But it is not entirely correct anymore
So don't rely on it
olive goblet
Uh wat... I completely forgot you could actually see the specific boon list in the codex 👀
lol
tranquil violet
Yeah and it also shows requirements
Just hit L then - (on switch) and it'll pull up the relevant god automatically
olive goblet
It even highlights the ones you have now!
untold vortex
yep ^_^
tranquil violet
Codex automatically jumps to the relevant god during boon selection and characters when you're next to them.
It's handy 🙂
@untold vortex you of all people might know
olive goblet
That it is. ❤️ thanks!
untold vortex
cold embrace ahhhh purge it for coin and get crystal clarity instead, that makes it good right 👀
tranquil violet
Crystal Clarity feels like a near necessity to make meme beams viable
But Crystal clarity + Stygian Soul + extra casts (and the boon that makes the beams meme longer) is
Maybe a hot take but I think Cold Embrace should be replaced/reworked.
It feels severely underpowered/bad compared to pretty much any other duo.
stark heath
Do abilities like Thunder Flourish proc on the same enemy multiple times with specials like the bow's?
hollow helm
Zeus special has an internal cooldown of 0.2s for every proc so you probably won't
especially say with Chiron Bow Special
stark heath
RIP.
fair cairn
early chiron bow was literally the reason the internal cooldown was there so
stark heath
Makes sense. I just had a personal best time against bone hydra with +3 consecutive hit damage and Demeter+Chaos special bonus, 701 with every shot hitting I think.
tranquil violet
Huh
stone harbor
Zeus on chiron gets you more than 1 proc, it is not as good as something like dionysus or artemis but you can beat the game with it
tranquil violet
Flurry Shot is actually quite good on Chiron
stark heath
So I can see why it would have been OP.
tranquil violet
Not for rapid fire
hollow helm
but for tagging
stark heath
Ah, that makes sense.
tranquil violet
I just picked it because it was the least bad option but it works quite well actually
Makes tagging way faster
stark heath
Yeah, I got pretty much no standout gods for Chiron this run, closest would be to roll Demeter cold proc damage cash-in.
tranquil violet
Currently running a Demeter/Poseidon Chiron run
hollow helm
Chiron's glaring weakness is the fact that it has a hard time with AOE clearing
tranquil violet
Yeah I like Dio cast with Chiron
If I'm doing Aphro/Arte especially
Not only does it do aoe it also stuns satyrs
And snake stones
stark heath
I had a double shot explosive run earlier, that worked pretty well on mobs.
tranquil violet
Relentless Volley on Chiron is a no brainer
Penetrating Volley is quite nice too
stark heath
But I'm not good at Thesues yet. Sometimes I crush him, sometimes he gets me every time with his shield.
hollow helm
relentless and concentrating are the big ones especially with Arty
tranquil violet
But I guess Flurry Shot is now in my roster for Chiron too
I play Chiron pretty carefully so idk about concentrated
hollow helm
the good thing about Dio Special Chiron is you tag and can wail away with your attack instead, it doesn't really need the special hammers like Arty does
tranquil violet
I like being able to tag at range
fair cairn
for chiron you might as well go all in on single target
tranquil violet
Yeah
fair cairn
you dont need AOE if your target dies in one volley every time
hollow helm
I mean numbskulls, flame wheels and such
hollow helm
so I adapted Splash Dash/Passion Dash start and then try to look for attack/special boons
fair cairn
get zeus cast and zeus attack
with jolted as AOE option
dio or demeter on special
but dio is better because it works out of the box
demeter needs arctic blast
tranquil violet
Arctic Blast isn't that hard to find
And it doesn't NEED it
It just helps
Demeter has high base damage anyways
And the huge chill stacks are great
hollow helm
also there's the way more powerful Killing Freeze
tranquil violet
It just helps
It helps a lot though :p
tranquil violet
also there's the way more powerful Killing Freeze
Why not both?
Demeter/Poseidon is a fun Chiron build
hollow helm
I generally hate Arctic Blast since I want the slow
tranquil violet
If you're running Chiron/Demeter
You're doing so much chill it hardly matters
Enemies are warm only briefly before they get by another round of chill
In most cases barely any time at all
hollow helm
yeah, I just really dont like Arctic Blast on any weapon
hollow helm
base is 8
tranquil violet
Sorry yeah typo
So you're very rarely actually leaving any enemy without chill
They get blasted then chilled again pretty much instantly
hollow helm
then again, I run arty special on Chiron anyways
tranquil violet
I just do Artemis special on Chiron (with Aphro attack) too much
So this is a nice change of pace
Artemis special, Aphro attack, Dio cast
Then get all of the duos
The debuff crit faceroll build
hollow helm
cant get splitting headache from dio cast so go for dash instead
tranquil violet
I get both usually
hollow helm
for blackout I presume
tranquil violet
The dash helps stack hangover on Hades and Asterius
For the extra crits
And yeah, Blackout too
But that combo is just excellent
All of the duos synergize
And it's not very hard to build.
hollow helm
Arty/Aphro/Dio is a disgusting trio
tranquil violet
And the mirror talent for status effects
Weak/hangover stack and then just crit like there's no tomorrow
Good times
hollow helm
I prefer Family Favorites since that tends to more consistent, but Priv Status with a Low Tolerance is disgusting to look at
tranquil violet
Big PP also helps
hollow helm
Splitting Headache really is just an Epic PP Pom'd if think about it
tranquil violet
Why not both
hollow helm
if there's a way, Aphro/Ares/Dio could be good on Chiron I guess
tranquil violet
The one Aphro boon for extra damage on weak enemies is just icing on the cake
hollow helm
Curse of Nausea/Low Tolerance to make use of those 8 stacks
tranquil violet
I love Art/Aph/Dio on Chiron because there's very few "bad" (not synergistic) boons once it's set up
Basically 80% of the boons from any of them are good for the build
Anything that enhances damage on debuffed enemies or adds more debuff or more crit is good
hollow helm
it's easy to get the ball rolling with those three
tranquil violet
And idk why but I somehow always end up finding Dio
I basically never have to keepsake him
hollow helm
also helps that Dio has like 2 amazing non-core boons in Premium Vintage and Strong Drink
tranquil violet
Anything debuff related at least
Because it can nearly or totally full stack any debuff in one special
stark heath
I got Charged Volley and dealt 2000 damage to Bull of Minos :o
hollow helm
wait can you get charged volley with Chiron?
tranquil violet
The Bull of Minos, and his erstwhile companion the Twink of Athens
fair cairn
you can get +3 per hit or +3 shots per volley on Chiron
stark heath
I also had Jerky Select.
And now I just finished a Chaos curse that gave me another 90% special strength.
hollow helm
and now you're rolling with damage
tranquil violet
They sneak up on you then wreck your health bar
tranquil violet
Ugh
Finally doing EM3 Theseus/Asterius
God even looking at Theseus does psychological damage
hollow helm
I think you can get a Meg in at the start of the fight
tranquil violet
For once I think I'm going to aggro Theseus first >_>
So I don't have to look at him
And oh right
I keep forgetting I have that entirely
tranquil violet
I think you can get a Meg in at the start of the fight
Just tested
You are correct
hollow helm
Meg liberally in minibosses and bosses
tranquil violet
Awesome 😄
Already beat Asterius earlier so that's a huge chunk of health I don't have to worry about
hollow helm
Asterius is generally the easier one to pin down in EM3 since you cant get them to do bullhorn and such to hit them both (in which case it's usually Theseus who gets his face walloped)
tranquil violet
I just did my usual thing and it was pretty easy tbh
Asterius went down easy
Theseus is obnoxious
Also which attack is Bullhorn?
tranquil violet
Oh right I rarely see that
I usually just kill Asterius really fast
While Theseus putzes around somewhere else missing throws
Flurry Shot with Poseidon attack ain't bad
Really nice in Styx
Keeps enemies away at least
And prevents Satyrs from using those darned needles...
shadow cape
Does Butterfly and Plume bonus stats carry when you unequip?
gusty rapids
no, unfortunately
stone harbor
No
shadow cape
bruh
fair cairn
Butterfly and Plume are things you need to commit
tranquil violet
They're both quite good though
tranquil violet
I can somewhat consistently get to about midway through Elysium without taking damage with Guan Yu/Butterfly
By which point you've got a flat 20-30% damage boost at least
opal lodge
the butterfly's a scuffed family favorite
shadow cape
i cant see myself picking plume over something else. perhaps final floor with the satyrs. Those are small rooms and few enemies
tranquil violet
Those don't count as rooms 🙂
shadow cape
WHAT
tranquil violet
Each tunnel only counts as one room
opal lodge
plume is a very important part of the full dodge build
so you need to commit from the beginning
tranquil violet
If you're going to use either equip it the whole run or from Asphodel on at least
But ideally the whole run
You might get more damage boost from chaos egg in Tartarus at least
tranquil violet
WHAT
They do count for the Pom Blossom
Because that counts encounters not chambers
Chambers = room that gives a reward
So only the last room of each tunnel counts
dawn sequoia
what do you go for lucifer
fair cairn
zeus or artemis attack
icy glade
build? zeus attack is safest
wintry igloo
Plume is dope. Charge it to 30 over the run, add a few other sources of dodge and you're almost unhittable
dawn sequoia
i just tried zues
i dont likey O_O
i barely do damage i need jolted or doublestrike
warped hound
You pretty much need Lightning Strike + Static Discharge to make Exagryph remotely playable
dawn sequoia
i notice with pre much zues attack builds
warped hound
You also need either crowd control or defensive boons (for deflect, for example) since your weapon shots don't stagger enemies
warped hound
You need high attack uptime in order to make any use of Exagryph
Malphon is just all around better for the same purpose.
Since you still do a lot of damage if forced to play defensively. And the small fact that unlike Exagryph, it functions with any attack boon in the game
Unless it's Drunken strike, nothing makes good use of that.
stone harbor
I hate benefits package
or more specifically the one perk that makes enemies really fast
all the other ones are easy enough to deal with
kindred trout
Unless it's Drunken strike, nothing makes good use of that.
I think Drunken Strike is actually pretty decent with Malphon/Demeter. Get Ares or Aphro special and the hangover-boosting duos or artemis special and splitting headache. Drunken Strike is also pretty good for Eris with Curse of Nausea.
fair cairn
demeter is very versatile, you can make a lot of things work
zeus, aphro, demeter, anything works on it
warped hound
You're better off with actual DPS attack boons on Malphon
I don't really see the point in playing high risk / high reward weapon and removing its "high reward" aspect by swapping from arguably best DPS in the game to a DoT build that doesn't scale with your weapon whatsoever
gusty rapids
because big poison dmg make brain happy
warped hound
So is melting the boss in under 20 seconds
untold vortex
exactly both things are great 
cunning urchin
Drunken Strike on Malphon is actually nice.
quartz swallow
Guys, which one should I choose for bow? Daedulus Hammer..
1 ) Explosive Shot
2) Sniper Shot
3) Triple Shot
cunning urchin
Triple Shot.
near pelican
Do duos like curse of drowning or sea storm stack on Beo shield with flood flare?
sullen valley
I just realized a good comparison between Infernal and Stygian Souls
warped hound
So this is interesting. Turns out if player has jolted duo, Hades annihilates himself when he's firing beams under 50% in his second phase
sullen valley
Infernal's effective against room clearing (The ability to quickly lodge and quickly retrieve your Bloodstones from weakened enemies)
meanwhile, Stygian's effective against Bosses (The ability to throw consistent damage without the need to wait or focus on retrieval)
sullen valley
Jolted Duo?
warped hound
Can't post a screenshot
granite lava
you mean sea storm?
warped hound
Cold fusion
granite lava
thats demeter zeus
warped hound
Yes, he was taking like 1,5k damage ticks when firing lasers
several per second
PSA how to actually make Exagryph useful on final boss : ^)
granite lava
interesting, you'd think jolted would only apply once per attack
small stirrup
Can't post a screenshot
You can post images via links or 3rd party software like gyazo
warped hound
It looks exactly like what you would expect a Zeus Exa build to look like
Just with Cold Fusion
coarse moss
exagryph is always useful though... 😁 i mean, most of the top speedruns are with rail
near pelican
So this is interesting. Turns out if player has jolted duo, Hades annihilates hi...
Wait I need to do this now...
warped hound
exagryph is always useful though... 😁 i mean, most of the top speedruns are wi...
Getting the best time over unlimited resets is different from getting consistent results every single run. I have no doubts Exa can be very good on high roll runs.
hollow helm
If you want a serviceable build go Eris, take Zeus Keepsake and take Zeus Attack, take any special that boosts special damage, then pray for Poseidon or force Poseidon in Asphodel taking Tidal Dash
Come to consider it's one of the more consistent builds since it's literally a goodstuffs build, yeah you highroll with Cluster Bomb + Rockets, or Delta Chamber, but there's a reason why unseeded speedruns of Hades usually use Eris (and Rail but the other aspects rely more on hammers)
near pelican
Does anyone know how curse of drowning interacts with ||flood flare on Beo||?
Well, I took it and I hate it.
near pelican
I have, uh... charged rush or whatever. That makes your thing a projectile instead of a charge
But it doesn't work with curse of drowning
So... bleh.
coarse moss
aw darn
near pelican
Instead of an explosion it's a pulse like normal
Kind of defeats the purpose
I abandoned the run lol
coarse moss
i kinda hate that bullrush shot thing cuz i wanna bullrush to grab the bloodstones
near pelican
I think it's easier to land flood flare with it, or it feels better.
But yeah it's annoying having to basically charge in anyway.
Unless you get that sweet sweet Hermes legendary...
coarse moss
dream come true hehe
sullen valley
I've got to say, Wringers are certainly a counter to Talos
near pelican
FO wringers are like
Handsy
but sometimes it feels good just to be held, you know?
sullen valley
I don't think I appreciate the free 6 damage I'll take
coarse moss
xD take poseidon special and you can keep em away when you pull em
stone harbor
If I have ares attack and athena cast on hera, do you proc merciful end every time you shoot with a cast?
If it works it sounds like a decent meme
near pelican
Hm, that's a good question... now I'm curious!
coarse moss
try it mastrer!
sonic juniper
This is definitely my first time hearing of Eris as a high roll aspect, it's super consistent and needs very little to function. High rolls just take it from good to insane.
stone harbor
damn did not get athena cast
rip
just found out merciful end does not work just off the cast
gotta restart
rip
stone harbor
other than the cast I have everything I could possibly want
I have both dire misfortune and impending doom, the hermes boon for quick cristal dropping and an extra cast
hollow helm
if it applies Exposed it pretty much has to proc ME
stone harbor
if it applies the deflect before it applies the doom it does not work
the rest of the game is already trivial by just spamming attack and special but I have to try getting it for the memes
I am certain attack+special spam is way more consistent because you have unlimited shots and don't have to pick anything up
sonic juniper
ME is not good for a cast build, the point is to trigger the doom as soon as possible but casts are relatively slow
stone harbor
I am trying to trigger it instantly with ares attack+athena cast on hera
I just need to get the cast lol
I have three rolls
skipping athena dash for the almost certainly useless cast is a good idea, rioght?
IT WORKS
stone harbor
prohably not worth it because you need athena twice before you can get merciful end and the cast but it is not even as clunky as I thought
coarse moss
hera needs to wait for stone to drop...what if works on beowulf?
stone harbor
good point
frail cave
If you switch out butterfly for another keepsake midrun you lose the damage boost, right?
near pelican
yes
frail cave
Thought so, thanks
sonic juniper
Even then, it won't be fast. You will get 1 doom trigger per bow attack, which isn't that fast.
near pelican
I don't think he doubted that it would suck.
sonic juniper
Ah
near pelican
Just curious if it would work.
stone harbor
yeah, it is really not good lol
near pelican
haha
stone harbor
turns out I''m not good enough to do hades with a bad build lol
I'm not going to do the same thing with beowulf, it is already clunky without having an even more clunky build
sonic juniper
if you want unorthodox ME, could try ME Zeus shield
stone harbor
Ares on special and pray for dire misfortune I assume?
tame bison
haha Poseidon aspect, 6 Athena casts and exit wounds vs final boss. That was real ez.
coarse moss
what about merciful end lucifer? lol
coarse moss
haha Poseidon aspect, 6 Athena casts and exit wounds vs final boss. That was rea...
that sounds awesome
tame bison
It was insane vs bosses. Rooms in elysium were a little tricky. Needed Flurry cast from Hermes never saw it
warped hound
Using Stygius with Infernal Blood sounds like a lot of work
Coronacht with aspect of Hera on the other hand...
hollow helm
PUSH GY STRATS
tranquil violet
And then the first hammer had neither charged or breaching skewer :/
I like Sea Storm Guan Yu
hollow helm
You can reset if you want to
tranquil violet
Poseidon Special is all you need
Nah it's more fun this way
I guess I'll try extending jab
warped hound
GY can be hella strong on high-roll run
warped hound
Even in unorthodox builds
tranquil violet
Massive spin could be helpful for small enemies and Styx I guess though
warped hound
Had Athena dash + chaos dash + triple dash strike hammer today
hollow helm
My first GY build was Spin and it was hilarious
tranquil violet
Classic GY build for me is Poseidon special, then add some Zeus, get sea storm,
Then add razor shoals
Extra lightning hits
Second wave
It's hilarious
Just throw a special and everything melts
Best with charged and breaching skewer hammers
warped hound
I figured out using spin on bosses gets you hit more often that regens you
Spamming dash on the other hand
tranquil violet
Guan Yu special has a much wider hit box than it appears to
warped hound
with 600 damage per click
tranquil violet
And Poseidon GY special is extremely wide
warped hound
😘👌
hollow helm
It feels better than regular spear special
tranquil violet
I refer to it as the Yeet Stick build
warped hound
GY special is already pretty wide
tranquil violet
Press special to yeet all enemies
They just all get dragged by the special's wake and yeeted across the screen
hollow helm
By the time you get a special hammer and Waves Pounding you're set damage
tame bison
Have Eris aspect win Demeter special and dio attack. Would you take a Cluster Bomb or Targeting System
I kinda like the system dmg buff combo with eris idea
In guess cluster better
hollow helm
Cluster is generally better and in your case is probably better than Targeting
Getting enemies tagged with Chill gets easier and Cluster can just dish out large amounts of damage
opal lodge
yes
fallen mirage
Crush Shot is very strong on Hera
opal lodge
crush shot on hera is one of the more popular speedrun builds right now
fallen mirage
Trippy Shot is less strong, but still viable
fallen mirage
I've never tried Demeter on Hera, I'm not even convinced it's possible
opal lodge
c o l d e m b r a c e
it's not good
it's just crush shot hera but all your gods are in the wrong places
opal lodge
I've never tried Demeter on Hera, I'm not even convinced it's possible
new sunday race idea
cunning urchin
PSA how to actually make Exagryph useful on final boss : ^)
Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, just get any and all of their t2 and t3.
Exagryph is pretty busted.
opal lodge
storm lightning/static disc/breaking wave are priorities
tame bison
Lol trippy shot hera is hilarious. But yeah I can see how others are better
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot Hera was meta for awhile.
It's decent.
I always preferred Crush Shot.
coarse moss
to me, hera feels like beowulf but less fun. beowulf dropping the bloodstone every time is a big deal
tame bison
Trippy shot hera with cold fusion and Ice wine so far
Need the Zeus trippy shot now 😛
Yay there we go
viscid flint
Lmao
stone harbor
nice
tame bison
Okay i def forgot I put EM4 on for the first time and then also took my hands offer the keyboard after the 2nd kill rofl
spiral tree
keen mesa
impending doom
gusty rapids
you can’t use companions that work for hades against him until later in the game
like meg, than, achilles (dusa too I think?)
sullen cargo
Can anyone recommend a good build for aspect of gilgamesh? I just unlocked it and have been trying to find some advice on it.
stone harbor
Tidal dash used to work great with gilgamesh abck when you could get sea storm from it. Does anyone know how well it works without sea storm?
sullen cargo
What would you recommend for the special @stone harbor ?
stone harbor
if you go tidal dash just ignore it most of the time, you only really care about the dashes you get. Maybe throw it on an enemy with a lot of hp for some bonus damage
I'm not really sure if there are any really insane builds for gilgamesh, but you can't really go wrong with either going zeus attack and just stacking as much zeus as possible or going crit
something like artemis attack and aphro special for the duo boon I guess
there should also be builds in a pinned comment somewhere
might be in #h1-for-new-players
sullen cargo
Checking there - thank you! 
keen mesa
Rofl, Zagreus just told the enemies in first room after I killed them to "piss off"
never seen that before
wind geyser
question
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike do really well on Gilgamesh.
wind geyser
if i have the Lambent Plume equipped in tarturus
cunning urchin
With the other one on Flourish for Heart Rend.
wind geyser
and i switched then to another keepsake in asphodel
will the dodge chances that i got be gone ?
coarse moss
correct
wind geyser
Is there anyplace to see the builds ?