yeah sounds reasonable
#h1-builds-and-combat
dry shuttle
vale oasis
dry shuttle
good luck
vital bay
@cloud vault that is 40% minimum
dry shuttle
do you mean maximum?
nova shale
Since Hestia rail already lets you reload at full ammo anyways
dire kelp
As hidden sword aspect ||nullifies floor traps within special radius, does that mean it stops Hades' vases from popping?||~
vital bay
It is just be or is ||Charon|| the hardest boss
vital bay
I have beaten him every time except the first
but he actually makes me lose DD stacks
like consistently
he is harder than ||Hades|| and you have worse gear
raven aspen
yep, harder in the beginning and weak build (like Ares cast lvl 2 and thats all)
vital bay
I mean the drop can be pretty big if you get it early though
and the gold increases based on how far you are
or actually idk if that what increases it
maybe total gold does?
raven aspen
Maybe total gold (not sure), but casual amount doesnt depend on the place
dire kelp
pretty sure its always the same amount
rare kindle
why is it possible to get hazard bomb on eris?
vital bay
I have seen both 300 and over 500
languid dagger
why is it possible to get hazard bomb on eris?
because it is fun to suffer
vital bay
it was like some weird amount like 585 I think'
so it probably is total gold or exact chamber
weak violet
Y’all know a build for Zag Gun?
languid dagger
just dash duing the impact, loool
dire kelp
that could be due to boons that increase gold, darkness and gem drops
dire kelp
pretty sure its always 300
vital bay
bro lowkey
weak violet
Isn’t dad darkness usually 250?
vital bay
stacking chaos increase with poseidon is op
like increase amounts of darkness
like easy 1k for a run without thrist
weak violet
I remember one time i got an atleast 150% darkness boon from chaos and a 60% darkness from an epic oceans bounty
vital bay
I mean honestly just the Chaos one is
you can get 200% from chaos
broken
265 is cap I think
weak violet
Oh
weak violet
Epic
weak violet
So wouldnt that be like 285% with dark thirst?
weak violet
Although i wonder what kind of build i should do with zag gun
Might go for spread fire
weak violet
Epic
vital bay
look for aoe cast perferably
weak violet
Idk, i might try a heart rend build with zag gun and see how thats like
Just hope I get spread fire
rare kindle
no
vital bay
basically just doubles power of pom blossom
so sweet nector is just bad then lol
or at least heavily rng based
but like are you really gonna take +2 levels over a hammer or a boon you need
Probably really bad
sterile comet
Man, is Scintillating Feast the most degenerate thing to build around
It's like so easy to get
And just
A deeply degenerate gameplay pattern
vital bay
Honestly most duo boons are easy to get
you can pretty much guarantee one with a charm
just need to rng the other god
but can be done easier with Fated Authority
sonic mural
i usually do one god keepsake in tart and the other in asph => no need rng for second god
rare kindle
I haven't turned on EM3 for most of my weapons yet so i usually go with a third god keepsake or coin purse in elysium
vital bay
EM3?
deep salmon
i wonder if i can ever get parting shot on beowulf
rare kindle
Extreme measures 3
deep salmon
vital bay
oh ok
rare kindle
Makes theseus and asterius battle more difficult
vital bay
you mean you have turned on?
rare kindle
no, I only have up to EM2 at the moment
vital bay
wouldn't that mean only Meg and Bone hydra are harder
sterile comet
I reliably die to hard mode asterius
Theseus is honestly not that much of a struggle
But I always die to Asterius
vital bay
Yea Asterius is just harder
Especially melee
tbh I have won with up to like 7 heat
and don't think I ever played a truly melee build
like where most of my damage is done from melee
rare kindle
I have an easier time with melee compared to range
rare kindle
Yeah, I like how it's fast paced and you can just punch them
vital bay
or like using demeter cast or something
I mean its a literally harder on floors but easier for bosses I think
like I use Poseidon aspect with sword I used exploding launcher with spear with fist I use Kinetic Launcher. If all else feels just abuse Demeter/Ares cast
I don't even remember the build I used with shield
only won once with it
have a screenshot somewhere
wait this build is so bad
Zeus Cast+special aphrodite call/attack and Artemis dash
I mean Aphrodite call probably carried me
tame bison
Man I potentially could hit legendary Ares boon here but also have zero Hammer boons and it’s Eysium
Dunno if supposed to go to hammer or boon lol. Just on random sword build with move speed/dmg Hermes buff
rare kindle
Go for hammer
Hammer increase your damage a lot
unless you're going for a cast build, hammers are usually really good
tame bison
Okay thanks
@rare kindle I’m like kinda doing a lot with Casts here but it’s on accident. Have Zag Aspect with rush delivery, Artemis atk, ares cast x3 with black metal and engulfing vortex.
I took Hammer, but I don’t know if building around Ares cast is even a thing
But also have Chaos +80% backstab dmg and shadow presence so random backstabs do a crap ton here
vale imp
It is, go for the Ares/Artemis duo boon
Should help a lot with getting the cast to actually hit things
The Ares legendary will also increase damage by a lot
tame bison
Cool thanks I’ll have to try that
mental wing
Hammer or Athena/Poseidon?
Bow, run already had some bad choices thanks to 1 boon that didn't work like I wanted it to
rare kindle
I would take the double boon because the game really wants you to have two hammers
mental wing
Already have flurry shot
Bad boon was Rare Crop was Epic, picked it and it put everything including itself as common, thus only upgrading 1 boon, and it picked my worst boon
languid dagger
Bad boon was Rare Crop was Epic, picked it and it put everything including itsel...
can rare crop really pick up itself??
languid dagger
but you said it put everything including itself as common
can this really happen?
mental wing
It was Epic, telling me it would pick 3, when I picked it it's clause of "Your boons become common" made itself common so it only picked 1
languid dagger
It was Epic, telling me it would pick 3, when I picked it it's clause of "Your b...
haha, that's gotta be a bug
meanwhile
Aspect of Hades kind of sucks
vernal dune
wut
Hades is great
get some Blood upgrades on that fork and get some Hammer upgrades that buff your Spin Attack
the fast-charge + low-cooldown buff whose name i forget is godly with it
mental wing
Aspect of Hera, already had Poseidon on Special so I didn't want him on Cast as well. Athena on attack,
Can't spin
languid dagger
get some Blood upgrades on that fork and get some Hammer upgrades that buff your...
check my post in victory boasting
fully upgraded
with faster charge spin hammer
two duos
it's just bad
and awkard
vernal dune
F
grizzled gust
do i have to keep lambent plume to keep the dodge bonus?
vernal dune
yes
grizzled gust
thanks!
tame bison
lol just won with the weirdest build. A bunch of crap (fists with Doom attack) plus ||Demeter|| Cast. But got Heroic Zeus Call/Clouded Judgement off Boon so literally just stay alive long enough to kill him with Zeus bolts bc the rest of my dmg was awful
Full bar Zeus call with Double bolt boon is something tho
frigid pewter
Does anyone know if Artemis special is good with Chiron bow
main osprey
it's alright, but not my first pick
turbid needle
Artemis is the first pick.
sonic mural
Does anyone know if Artemis special is good with Chiron bow
artemis + heartrend is the "meta" for chiron i think
but dionysus is also used for higher heats
proven osprey
Yep, Heart rend or Low tolerance basically. Curse of nausea too
stone harbor
Demeter special and artic blast is the most fun for chiron IMO, especially if you get the hammer with extra special arrows
Not sure how viable it is on high heat though
sonic mural
yah you only get 100 extra damage every 2 specials
rocky iris
Chiron has so many fun build. My fave is doom stacking. You can get doom hits for 1K+ it's nutty
proven osprey
Demeter has a strong special tho, but that's it. Killing freeze is excellent but bow is already"safe"
stone harbor
I never tried doom stacking, that seems like a great idea
proven osprey
It works too yeah
rocky iris
The thing that delays doom is pommable, doom itself scales very well, and the stacking is OK. That plus the 2 status mirror bonus can get pretty strong
Delayed doom means extra stacks especially with a good hermes special
spiral tree
rocky iris
4 second
rocky iris
But honestly it's not that noticeable
sonic mural
not really
you have to reload every 2 secs, and you spam special every reload anyways
rocky iris
I spam special whenever I can usually for status
rocky iris
I just saw the 1.37 speedrun wr using eris. It's still good
rocky iris
I think a new one was made or not submitted? Like 2-3 days back, a 6:39 or something. Maybe it was beaten since
Forget who did it but it was a handsome dude with an australian or british accent
Yesterday and 6:29 https://youtu.be/fdSeNrZ17Gs
minor yew
having trouble getting to hades with rail. first clear was chaos shield w/ doom boons but idk what to do with the gun
stone harbor
If you have no better idea, Zeus attack works well for any aspect except hestia
And just stack more zeus stuff from there I guess
minor yew
ill give zeus a shot next run then
so just avoid hestia with zeus
i dont rly use hestia aspect anyways so ill be fine
mental wing
I won even with the bad build
tame bison
@minor yew I have good luck with Zeus rifle and if you ever see the special that makes a rocket take that. Rocket plus Artemis special is busted
minor yew
ye im not the raw dmg typa guy i like being able to attack and let the damage tick away for a while
tame bison
Also Dio strike is fine
minor yew
<@210190182471827456> I have good luck with Zeus rifle and if you ever see the s...
will look out for artemis, ty
tame bison
Artemis plus rocket special and then you can sometimes get 3x rockets etc
minor yew
ill do a zeus run with rail in the next like 10 mins when im done w ma pop tarts
stone harbor
The most busted thing on the rail is rockets+cluster bomb
rocky iris
Dio is great for hit and run.
minor yew
is his poison good base or do i need a specific boon to push it to that "level" if you catch my drift
cause with ares base doom on special was already super nice
but i havent ran dio at all essentially
rocky iris
Dio scales very well with poms
tame bison
There’s also a dash strike build for rail but I SUCK with dash strike lol
rocky iris
So just keep taking those. There's a nice duo with hades which makes it hit 3/second instead of 2
tame bison
What’s the build for Zeus shield aspect? Someone mentioned something busted recently
stone harbor
So just keep taking those. There's a nice duo with hades which makes it hit 3/se...
If you can get the dio stacks and weak consistently, the duo with aphro is more damage iirc, but getting 8 stacks isn't really easy with the rail unless you use dio call
More of a thing for chiron
rocky iris
Yeah keeping up status with rail is also kind of difficult
stone harbor
I once got both that and curse of nausea with chiron, but then I totally needed the double pom room in styx after I already had the sack and died to hades
real kernel
Does anyone use Gods' Pride?
main osprey
I use Legacy
real kernel
So do I, it seems far superior
main osprey
but I also know the pre-reqs for duos/legendaries really well, so I can almost always get them
real kernel
I don't have them memorized, but I do have the Codex Index
main osprey
yeah, that helps a lot lmao
primal hazel
well legacy is prolly a bit better at very high heats
real kernel
Like, once I have all the relevant prophecies down, I might consider investing in Pride
primal hazel
cause you cant rely on mirror and boon choice that much
real kernel
Probably, but I'm not sure that's as important
Duos and Legendaries aren't really about being stronger on average
main osprey
in terms of raw numbers, it might be, yeah. but in terms of potential, I don't think so
real kernel
I've also completely ignored Dark Foresight, though that one makes more sense to me.
If you are laser-focused on beating the run, Dark Foresight is a no-brainer.
Well, ignoring the run-specific benefits from the Work Orders
primal hazel
also later on you dont really need meta currency
real kernel
Olympian Favor is still good, though, and it probably always will be.
primal hazel
not compared to foresight
somber hemlock
there is new update on switch version, downloading now
primal hazel
its just a worse legacy xD
man i cant wait trying out the lucifer buff
bomb run incoming
real kernel
not compared to foresight
How important are, for example, the dice from Chthonic Keys?
main osprey
rather useful, imo
sonic mural
P important
thorny dirge
not as big as more boons though
sonic mural
Way bigger
real kernel
I can see that
primal hazel
How important are, for example, the dice from Chthonic Keys?
they are good but not worth not running dark foresight
ur gonna pick some up either way
real kernel
On the subject of Talent pairs, does anyone really use Abyssal Blood?
primal hazel
also if ur naturally picking up more boons and money thats better than slightly more rerolls
sonic mural
Is hestia just the classic heartrend build?
real kernel
I've had some success with it, but I don't think I can ascribe success to it
primal hazel
since other meta currency competes with keys
primal hazel
Is hestia just the classic heartrend build?
just crit yeah
you can also run hunter dash
oh btw only 3 hammers affect hestia shot
explosive, riccochet aaaand
sonic mural
The seeking one?
real kernel
A lot of the Talents are about scaling differences, now that I think about it. Bigger upfront numbers versus bigger numbers over time.
sonic mural
So either heartrend or splitting headache?
primal hazel
ideally both
heart rend is the focus
but with dio call you can also pick up splitting
just spam 1 bar calls
sonic mural
I wish there would be more options for crit than heartrend
real kernel
Chthonic Vitality is much worse if you are getting Darkness from bosses, in my view. So I only use it when I have a bunch of open Bounties
sonic mural
Seems like thats the go to for all crit weapons
real kernel
And Deep Pockets is worse than Golden Touch if you are trying to get the Diamond or Titan's Blood at the Temple of Styx
primal hazel
id argue deep pockets still is better
real kernel
If you are actually spending money throughout the run, Deep Pockets is probably better
You need to hoard money to make Golden Touch shine
primal hazel
not spending money at all is just a waste
thorny dirge
Dark Regen makes more sense early save file (which is probably why it's purple)... you spend most of your time in Tartarus or Asphodel (where your ratio of blue gates is the highest) and you haven't unlocked Dark Foresight yet
main osprey
I mean, I regularly reach styx with 600-1000 obol
primal hazel
just pick up a chaos money boon
main osprey
I don't tend to spend much money during a run
sonic mural
actual madlad
real kernel
I can reliably get the big item at Styx without going out of my way to do it, and a substantial amount of that is from Golden Touch
rocky iris
With underworld custom I get paranoid and buy every boon I see
primal hazel
Dark Regen makes more sense early save file (which is probably why it's purple)....
you also get health from troves and buying darkness with that
also from bosses if you already have the bounty
which youll usually have later on
real kernel
I've been only increasing Heat once I beat a run at the previous level.
primal hazel
I can reliably get the big item at Styx without going out of my way to do it, an...
yeah but you hamper your ability to buy boons along the way
primal hazel
you should just take more money rooms and the boon from chaos
not really the bonus from golden touch is just too weak
sonic mural
if ur going for the big item, youll prolly be on low heat and the boons wont matter anyways
primal hazel
imo it should give a smaller percentage on a per chamber basis
real kernel
+15% each area can beat +100 flat pretty fast
primal hazel
a bit like the hermes boon
real kernel
The Hermes boon is great, unless you keep getting it near the end
primal hazel
+15% each area can beat +100 flat pretty fast
you need a lot of money at the end of a stage
deep pockets is so good because early boons are so important
main osprey
deep pockets is so good because early boons are so important
frowns in boonless
real kernel
I've had a lot of runs fizzle out at Elysium because I never got enough Boons together recently
primal hazel
only argument for golden touch is when farming for final shop meta currency
turbid needle
snowball time
primal hazel
which also falls off quickly
primal hazel
I've had a lot of runs fizzle out at Elysium because I never got enough Boons to...
deep pockets and purse in elysium ez
primal hazel
nope
sonic mural
Hiw
primal hazel
gods keepsakes in the first two stages
sonic mural
^
real kernel
Are boons more common then?
sonic mural
No but u want core of a build
primal hazel
no you just want ur core build as early as possible
main osprey
I usually run purse -> god -> god/defense -> defense
primal hazel
boo
primal hazel
main osprey
primal hazel
I'm so happy they made me a sticker
frail schooner
i start shackle into distant memory into collar into chaos egg
primal hazel
nice meme
main osprey
what a power move tho
primal hazel
shows dominance
frail schooner
what if the move for ||EM4|| keepsake is actually myrmidon bracer and not tooth
real kernel
I’ve played Supergiant games since a bit after Bastion came out, but I didn’t participate in Hades early access. So I have a weird mix of experience and lack thereof here
In practice, my approach to Keepsakes has been [something that isn't max level] → [something that isn't max level] → [something that isn't max level] → Lucky Tooth
By the way, I have to admire how the Temple of Styx is actually really good for quickly leveling Keepsakes if you are willing to commit to them for the final boss
Which I'm not: I finished one run with the Cosmic Egg because I heard that was a prophecy or something later, but that's it
real kernel
I suppose Hades does put out really big hits
primal hazel
yup
turbid needle
man hits like a bus
sonic mural
even collar > lucky tooth
primal hazel
Ah I see
We've achieved unison
I'm kinda wondering what the biggest, unmodified single hit of damage you can take is and who it's from
main osprey
|| Charon || hits for 50 base, I believe
primal hazel
Lol I would've guessed either hades spin, throw or good ol paddle
Aka the deadliest weapon
But hey, hades has the dadliest weapon
turbid needle
I think throw also deals 50 damage, but with no Pact the single-hardest hit belongs to Charon.
thick moon
About to fight the final boss with 2 death defies left wish me lucccck
thick moon
Died with him at half health on phase 2
main osprey
demeter special
deep salmon
🤔
main osprey
I don't really have any specific builds I go for on Talos lol
Ares cast is good
so Ares Cast + Demeter Special into Ares/Dem duo works
Talos is pretty open to different builds
deep salmon
i see
solid cairn
zag shield is really sick tbh
real kernel
Here's a fun question: what's the worst aspect?
As in personal preference, across any weapon, relative to the Aspect of Zagreus
solid cairn
so aspect of zag doesn't count for any?
turbid needle
Hera.
turbid needle
Yeah, everything is great.
solid cairn
also it's hard to say the "worst" aspect
turbid needle
But I think Hera is the weakest Aspect.
solid cairn
since there are different factos
turbid needle
Not including Zag Aspects.
solid cairn
factors
high heat, speedruns, etc
I would say gilgamesh is the worst
because it is so outclassed
turbid needle
Hera is the "worst" Cast Aspect, though.
solid cairn
I suppose, beowulf has kinda stolen its thunder
left oak
I think the rapid punches from the other aspects on the fists makes Gilgamesh kinda jarring to use by comparison
solid cairn
if we're including zag aspects
left oak
The really slow punches are very not good
turbid needle
Zag Sword is just usable enough now that it's got a fairly meaty Attack speed increase.
solid cairn
but zag spear
turbid needle
Like, Cruel Thrust isn't Heatless AP if it shows up.
solid cairn
man
turbid needle
As are Zeus and Ares with Chain Skewer.
solid cairn
this game is pretty balanced in the sense that no aspect is "bad"
and the zag aspects are intended to be subpar
but zag bow is pretty decent
I really like zag shield
turbid needle
Zag Bow is nasty.
Same with Zag Shield.
I think Zag Bow is arguably its best Aspect.
Native crit chance on part with Deadly Strike?
Insane.
solid cairn
bow's best aspect? rama all the way
rama is absurdly strong in basically every situation
turbid needle
Yeah, okay, that's true.
solid cairn
it is the best high heat weapon in the game, it is competitive with the other aspects in speedruns
it really shines in high heat speedruns
steep oasis
so how does Hades (Hades's?) call work?
turbid needle
Hides you and gives you a speed buff for up to 2 seconds, if you use an attack while cloaked you break stealth and get bonus damage for 1.5 seconds. I'm not sure if the damage bonus will last past the 2 second timer after first hitting the button.
steep oasis
so it's kinda like zero's ability in BL2?
solid cairn
so how does Hades (Hades's?) call work?
Hades'
if it ends in an S you just do an apostrophe
turbid needle
The Greater Call (2 bars) gives you a full five seconds of hiding and damage bonus.
You can still be hit during that, but enemies cannot target you.
solid cairn
Fun fact: Before 1.37, it was cut into 4 bars and you could activate it immediately upon entering a room. You can still do this in the current version if you have Athena's Proud Bearing boon, however
thick moon
Does anyone know who has the boon that's like
If you dont take damage for a few seconds you start regenning health?
steep oasis
That would be uhm, good question actually.
main osprey
there isn't anything exactly like that, that I know of
steep oasis
I wanna say it's dionysus
thick moon
I had it once and it was good
steep oasis
but it seems similar
thick moon
But I wanna know who to look out for next run lol
steep oasis
are you sure it ain't the regen recently lost health by dashing?
thick moon
Nope
main osprey
There's the Demeter/Athena Duo that causes you to regain health when you have no Defiances left
thick moon
Cos I remember cheesing the final boss by hiding behind pillars and regaining hp
Oooh that might be it
main osprey
yeah that sounds like Dem/Athena
thick moon
Yeah I think so ty
main osprey
sure thing ^.^
thick moon
Oh btw is there a way to get reset aspects and get your titan blood back?
steep oasis
i don't think so
thick moon
Rip
steep oasis
Only way that is sorta like that is only when you just used the titan blood and stay in the training room
reload the save and then you get all ur titan blood back, aspects obv revert to what they were previous
previously*
thick moon
Alright ty
steep oasis
But if you leave the training room it saves and then you lose the chance to undo ur choice
solid cairn
kinda sucks but if you beat the game once you will get plenty
thick moon
oo
main osprey
not quite
thick moon
mm lots of blood
main osprey
if you give up after starting a run
you revert to when you entered the courtyard
so if you use blood, then immediately go on a run
you can give up and revert to before you used the blood
@thick moon
real kernel
Rare Crop applies to Boons acquired after you choose it, right?
main osprey
nope
turbid needle
nop
When you pick it up.
It rolls 1-3 boons depending on Rarity.
im the type of person to pick rare crop in styx
real kernel
So only the Boons reset to Common go up?
turbid needle
yeah
main osprey
yup
turbid needle
if it did all your boons it would be busteddddd
main osprey
that's the main thing it does, yes
real kernel
How is Rarity different from Level, then?
main osprey
level is percentage scaling for specific values
thick moon
Different scaling I think?
cunning urchin
if it ends in an S you just do an apostrophe
Nah.
@main osprey hi!
Rarity and pom bonus are just added to the base value.
Base is Lv.1 common.
solid cairn
What do you mean nah
cunning urchin
You're wrong.
solid cairn
Ok then how do you do it
cunning urchin
Depends on style.
turbid needle
Plural words with an "s" on the end tends to get the trailing apostrophe.
main osprey
Hades is singular though
solid cairn
Obviously the right answer is Hade’s 
main osprey
m'hades
turbid needle
Ha'des ||nuts||.
main osprey
Posiedon
turbid needle
Off the top of my head, Stygius' thrust, Nova Smash, and Aegis' Attack.
turbid needle
Dash-Strike does not.
opal lodge
and i'm not sure which
ok
but sometimes i think it does
or bull rush does
idk
this is why i want a list lol
theres also something in GY's kit that is knocking enemies back but i dont know exactly what rn
main osprey
I don't think so?
opal lodge
i think body slams can only happen with knockback, no?
main osprey
like, slammed into a wall?
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
You can wall-slam with the regular attack and, I think, the spin.
opal lodge
TY
fervent mural
worth investing blood into hades spear aspect?
cunning urchin
Yes.
fervent mural
ok thought so^^ thats a lot of bonus damageXD
lilac yoke
Does splitting bolt hit your target for 40 damage or does it only bounce to others? i.e. if I have railgun with zeus attack will it do an extra 40 damage to a target every attack?
turbid needle
Hits the target as well.
pine flax
ok wow ice wine is AWFUL with hera
and maybe just in general??
holy moly
lol
why does ice wine cause a delay?
cunning urchin
Ice wine is really good.
cinder wave
kinda sucks but if you beat the game once you will get plenty
Wait, what? From where?
Subsequent wins?
main osprey
getting blood?
once you beat the game once, you unlock a system that allows you to get more
cunning urchin
It still adds +30% damage. Just gotta account for the delay.
pine flax
Is there a point in upgrading hera aspect? hermes makes it pointless if you get the boon right?
turbid needle
ice wine is sick
thick moon
What's ice wine?
turbid needle
Dem dio duo
cunning urchin
Is there a point in upgrading hera aspect? hermes makes it pointless if you get ...
Yeah, for sure. Being less reliant on a boon for once.
And I just think if you play an aspect a lot, you should make it as strong as possible.
If you always use Stygian Soul, though, it doesn't matter.
rocky iris
Is it a coincidence that I beat 32 heat with achilles spear my first run on the new patch? It didn't feel vastly different. Anyone else notice the change?
forest marsh
I don't see why it wouldn't, but I can't say I've tested it
cloud vault
It does
deep salmon
i see
wet thistle
if you use aphrodites aid can hades still hit you?
real kernel
Today I learned that you can use Mirage Shot with Crystal Beam for true laser spam
smoky sinew
maybe if you do it in the middle of one of his atk he could hit you but most of the time he stops for 1-2 seconds
tame bison
Recommendations for Zag aspect Bow? Chiron I know like Artemis special/dio etc
smoky sinew
I havent tried playing Zag after unlocking the rest but since it has crit chance I guess artemis atk would be a good idea?
smoky sinew
oh
well experiment it's one of the most fun things the game has to offer try builds on your own
tame bison
Can try haha
deep salmon
oh, TIL triple shot is actually good on rama
turbid needle
Triple and Point-Blank. 
tame bison
Omg did I finally figure out Bow dash strike...it just charges faster? You don’t have to actually release the shot while moving?
You can like dash charge up release?
forest marsh
Yup!
smoky sinew
Which is better for hestia aphro or artemis atk?
turbid needle
There's schools of though supporting both.
smoky sinew
I like doing aphro atk artemis dash
opal lodge
you wanna know a secret? tidal dash is actually more popular for sub 32ish heat
heavy sigil
main osprey
aphrodite attack
mighty ermine
artemis attack, aphro attack
main osprey
Hi Tailesque!
mighty ermine
hey!
main osprey
@young comet to restate here: a lot of things work for chaos; zeus, ares, poseidon, among others
basically, my strat for chaos is bull rush -> special cancel -> dash cancel -> bull rush -> repeat
main osprey
I don't have a specific build I go for, honestly, though I prefer debuff on attack (aphrodite, demeter) and damage on special (ares, zeus), or sometimes utility on special (athena, poseidon)
young comet
Fair, you can only force a build so much
main osprey
ye
I've been meaning to start recording my runs again, so if I get a good chaos run I'll upload it
main osprey
yeah
here, lemme see if any of my uploaded videos show it...
this is with the old version of the chaos shield, but still somewhat shows it (video is timestamped at 1:11)
https://youtu.be/frFJkgbxDzI?t=71
keep in mind this video is from June
coarse moss
Which is better for hestia aphro or artemis atk?
imo.....on a big target, like bosses, Artemis will do(slightly) more dps in the long run. on most enemies though, depending on RNG it might end up taking more hits to kill them with artemis than using aphrodite
opal lodge
would need the numbers on how many enemies don't die to a 180 damage empowered shot though
i think 180 is base common artemis attack without crit
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike beats Deadly Strike in boss DPS unless you have some t2 crit boons or other bonus damage.
And scales way better with poms.
narrow spruce
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/611394235857371136/789050425617547264/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670
Rate this synergy I just stumbled into
cunning urchin
8/10, needs two more boons.
sonic juniper
T2 crit boons - clean kill / hunter's mark specifically?
main osprey
I'm surprised you're not complaining about the deficit of Aphrodite, only one of her boons
narrow spruce
Point blank shot and hunter dash has been putting in so much work that I wasn't worried for aphrodities other boons
cunning urchin
@main osprey I don't rate Lady Aphrodite builds on such a scale. She's unparalleled, so any 10 is obviously still not even on the same level.
narrow spruce
Though at some point I'll need to actually invest into Ares/Poseidon/Artemis
Because it suddenly made my cast crazy strong
smoky sinew
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/611394235857371136/789050425617547264/u...
your build has one mistake
you werent playing Hera
narrow spruce
true, but crit zag hits so hard
ruby aspen
what is the most damage you ever did in ONE attack?i just took HALF of hades health in one artemis call. In his second phase, when he is at half health and either call cerberus or start healing himself, well, he started healing and i used artemis and went straight to phase 3 i had aphro+artemis DUO + chaos deal 120% more damage from behind...
main osprey
I think @dry ember is well-equipped to answer that question I also might be misremembering
main osprey
wait, is that a Haelian pogchamp face?
dry ember
Well 32:40 is a really pog moment tbh
main osprey
lol
turbid needle
What do people usually bring to the EM4 fight? Tooth?
proven osprey
Tooth/Spearpoint/Acorn mostly
Some say acorn is bad because of adds
can be true but I still like it
Some may use Eternal rose to be blessed by Aphrodite
ruby birch
Last night I updated to the new build on the Switch, at the same time I unlocked Aspect of ||Arthur||. Not sure if it's this aspect or the update as I haven't had a chance to play too much, but the game felt like it was lagging a lot when much happen on screen with it.
Anyone else having this experience? I'll get to play test it some more later today hopefully. But whatever it was, it was a really bad experience that cost me my run in the end.
main osprey
Last night I updated to the new build on the Switch, at the same time I unlocked...
If it keeps up, could you drop a message in #h1-tech-support ?
ruby birch
I will, thanks.
smoky sinew
What do people usually bring to the EM4 fight? Tooth?
I always equip arcon since it's invincibility tooth is just a dd that gives 100 hp
speapoint is also good
turbid needle
acorn sounds bad if you're gonna lose it to the summons
tooth/spearpoint sounds reasonable
smoky sinew
depends if you feel like you'll get damage from the summons then I agree tooth and spearpoint might be better
honest wing
should I take the demeter/athena no DD regen or athena replenish DD
royal helm
A DD tends to be better value unless you're on stubborn defiance
Since the duo gets no value until ... you're on your last DD..
But if you are, it can push you through quite a few chambers
royal helm
It does, yea
cloud vault
Bracer might be better than Acorn if you're not getting back stabbed
cloud vault
Auto correct shouldn't
olive spruce
what are good achilles spear casts besides ares and demeter?
solid cairn
All of them
solid cairn
Achilles just gives casts more damage
Phalanx shot is very good
Because it is also a defensive tool
olive spruce
it would probably be ridiculous with blizzard shot as well
solid cairn
Zeus cast is great for clearing rooms and is the preferred choice in speedruns
But kind of struggles against bosses, where you will be using your attack more
olive spruce
i recently discovered dio on spear attack
solid cairn
I think my personal favorite cast on Achilles is Poseidon’s
olive spruce
it's quite good
solid cairn
It does decent single target, has a big aoe, is a prerequisite for mirage shot, meaning if you take Artemis attack, which I recommend, that’s already both filled out
It also works with sea storm
olive spruce
hmm, i would probably want to try for demeter on special for blizzard shot
but i can see the appeal of getting a whole bunch of zeus boons for an attack build and then trying for sea storm
sonic juniper
But does Achilles buff lightning damage?
solid cairn
I have not experimented with blizz
No
But if you have serrated point or flurry jab it attacks pretty fast
cloud vault
Ice Feast is pretty rad if you can put it together, but Blizzard shot probably does the same thing more consistently if not quite as powerfully
And it leaves Mirage Shot as a possibility
sonic juniper
TIL you can exit a room during the treasure trove fight
turbid needle
whaaaat
sonic juniper
Tested it because I activated the trove by accident
stone harbor
Do you just go to the door and open it or do you have to do something more?
sonic juniper
Just go to the door and open it up
untold falcon
any tips for spear? i only have one titan's blood atm
sonic juniper
Why spear?
untold falcon
i have not yet beat the game on every weapon
turbid needle
flurry jab
proven osprey
Flurry jab Zeus attack
languid dagger
any tips for spear? i only have one titan's blood atm
wait till you can fully level Achilles Spear and then you can play casters with it
or auto-attackers
untold sluice
Any tips about the spear's 4th aspect? That's the only aspect i've yet to master.
forest marsh
Fully upgrade it and try to focus on using the special
languid dagger
I didn't play it much but from what I have figured play special
a bit boring
and damage is not amazing
and you still get that hp penalty
you can play spin if you get hammers for spin
untold sluice
and you still get that hp penalty
Yeah the penalty is what trips me over in runs
languid dagger
I managed to do very good build for special once
but it was awkward af for me
if you are not a good pilot (and I am not) it's not a fun build to play tbh
vague ledge
I did one Rama run with Zeus but I don’t think I’ll ever take that bow off now
languid dagger
I did one Rama run with Zeus but I don’t think I’ll ever take that bow off now
what do you mean
vague ledge
Get aspect of Rama with Zeus special, and just spam your special move. Try to get the hammer upgrade that makes your special fire more arrows and get all of your poms into the Zeus special boon. Double strike is the cherry on top
languid dagger
yeah, I know the build, it's my favourite bow build
i was confused by your "ever take that bow off"
like did you hate it or did you love it
re-reading it I see that you loved it )
wind marsh
Rail with 3 burst no reload with posideon boon on attack with rupture, with Zeus duo. That’s some dumb damage
sonic mural
yep supersoaker is a fun meme build
steady basin
hey guys need some help, any good build for the spear? iv'e managed to beat the game with every other weapon but im strugling a lot with the spear
oh btw i have all aspects unloked but no upgrades bought
and only beated the game with 1 heat so far
primal hazel
Which aspect?
cunning urchin
There's a build guide for the base weapons pinned in #h1-for-new-players that might help you.
primal hazel
Have you tried cast builds with achilles?
That way you can kind of circumvent playing spear XD
languid dagger
Achilles is definitely most user friendly
and versatile
and its special actually feels good after latest patch
primal hazel
Have to try it
Am trying buffed lucifer rn
languid dagger
how was Luci buffed btw? I missed it
tried it couple of times and found it to be pretty dreadful
I wish other hidden aspects had so many hammers
primal hazel
Faster bomb travel time
So now you can do bomb builds
Which are actually really fun
frail schooner
athena bombs + triple bomb + calculated risk = never get hit by projectiles lul
it’s like arthur with divine strike
languid dagger
it’s like arthur with divine strike
except way slower? 🙂
primal hazel
Aphrodite bombs forever
rare kindle
Are athena’s defensive duo boons good? (I’m referring to slower projectiles and unshakeable mettle here)
primal hazel
Stubborn roots is very good in high heats with sd
The other two are
Eh
I won't complain if I get them
But I'll literally never hunt for them
languid dagger
unshakeable mettle seems useless to me
rare kindle
Yeah, they’re not really duos I actively hunted for, but because I took her dash, it’s a possibility
languid dagger
like in lower heats without EM3 or EM4 they don't matter
because all you need is damage
rare kindle
I was hunting for sea storm and exclusive access, both of which I got
languid dagger
but if you are playing high heats that 10% damage reduction from Mettle is nothing
because you don't wanna get hit at all
primal hazel
Well damage reduction is arguably better the higher the damage is
Because more damage gets negated
cunning urchin
Unshakable Mettle is really good at high heat.
cunning urchin
because you don't wanna get hit at all
That's just not something that happens, though. People always get hit at high heat.
primal hazel
Well than you're obviously not good enough duh
royal helm
Unshakable mettle confuses me in that it's only DR against bosses... and such a meh value
cunning urchin
1v1 me in the courtyard, how 'bout dat.
The DR is nice, the immunity to stun is amazing.
royal helm
Yea, it stops urns... but 🤷♂️
For a duo... it's really lack luster
Same with Stubborn Roots...
I'd almost say having the 400 gold for selling it is better
primal hazel
1v1 me in the courtyard, how 'bout dat. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Sure
Cause I won't get hit
royal helm
Potential to buy other boons or a death defiance when you need it
primal hazel
What if you play sd:squirtnya:
royal helm
You'd still want to buy Touch of Styx
rare kindle
What if you’re doing a turtle build? Like crystal beam
royal helm
99g that times 1.4/1.8 (CF1/2)
cunning urchin
Yea, it stops urns... but 🤷♂️
Any hit you take does hitstun.
royal helm
I'm not even sure that's the case... to be honest...
The hitstun duration from enemies, if it exists, is tiny ... even on Hell profiles you rarely find yourself instagibbed by a combo
But I have seen a witch split ball shotgun me for like... 120ish?
Maybe petrifies count as stuns in the game, dunno
cloud vault
Hits can knock you out of attack animations
royal helm
Oh yeah, you're right
cloud vault
Like that sweet Rama power shot that would've otherwise obliterated the room
royal helm
Arthur has this problem and Rama
primal hazel
Every weapon has
primal hazel
Well I've stopped playing hades cause of uni
Now I'm back bc I wanna try the buffed weapons
After that imma be back at it
Rocks never die
Nice to see u m8
How's he 500th gy clear doing?
solid cairn
zag shield good
proven osprey
Nice
primal hazel
zag shield good
I missed your humor
proven osprey
Nice to see u m8
How's he 500th gy clear doing?
Actually I have few clears lmao. Just go through my 400th run with it yesterday
solid cairn
it's not a secret meta breaking weapon or anything but it's pretty nice
opal lodge
zag shield is quite nice
solid cairn
I'm trying to get the speedrun record with it
opal lodge
let me know when you get it so i can start grinding zag shield
primal hazel
Ok guys
The joke starts to get played out
opal lodge
viral star
zag shield is pretty good;; not chaos shield but like
primal hazel
Actually I have few clears lmao. Just go through my 400th run with it yesterday
I wanna throw a 500 clear party
unkempt fractal
Is the spear of Guan Yu as bad as people make it out to be still?
solid cairn
zag shield is pretty good;; not chaos shield but like
more like not zeus shield
proven osprey
I'll call you then
primal hazel
zag shield is pretty good;; not chaos shield but like
It's not funny anymore
proven osprey
You know what
viral star
definitely but the shield is good jjust because it is the shield, yk?
solid cairn
but it's funny because it's true
primal hazel
Ever heard of sarcasm?
viral star
got my first 20 clears with it, all the way up to 20 heat, after that i stuck with arthur stygius
proven osprey
I'll stream 500th GY and it will be a Tartarus death
primal hazel
I'll stream 500th GY and it will be a Tartarus death
Please @ me for that
proven osprey
I will
primal hazel
Just play with zag shield somewhere in a corner
opal lodge
zag shield is literally just boneless zeus
primal hazel
Couldn't agree more xDD
proven osprey
you could just watch me stream any GY and it will be a tartarus death
Yeah but it won't be 500
languid dagger
zag shield is literally just boneless zeus
what, you take that back
zag shield might have just two hammers
but it's amazing with those two hammers
opal lodge
oh dont get me wrong i like zag shield
languid dagger
it's a melee powerhouse with those two hammers, what are you guys on about
primal hazel
We never said it's bad
languid dagger
you said it tastes like card board
primal hazel
You need to add two letters
languid dagger
card board is kind of tasteless
primal hazel
It's b l a n d
rare kindle
Does Zeus shield need a few levels to be good?
8 dmg per special hit seems pretty underwhelming
proven osprey
Bonk bonk bonk bonk
primal hazel
But I have a general distaste for vanilla
languid dagger
It's b _l_ a _n_ d
well, it is a simple melee weapon, I agree. But it comes down to your preferences when playing arpgs and roguelikes. Some people like cooldown rotation casters, some people like one button hulk smash auto-attackers
rare kindle
I've been favoring chaos shield whenever I play shield because zag aspect is boring and I haven't gotten the hang of beowulf yet
primal hazel
No If anyone is an objective entity in here it's me
proven osprey
Wdym
primal hazel
Zag shield is bland
It's factual
proven osprey
Have you ever heard of crush shot GY?
opal lodge
haha revolution
proven osprey
Mad_lee said that there were not that many builds
primal hazel
Someone feels me
languid dagger
Mad_lee said that there were not that many builds
well I come from Diablo 2 lod and Grim Dawn so
proven osprey
Well ofc then lmao
languid dagger
ye, different game genres
viral star
arthur stygius good. goodnight
primal hazel
mic drop
rare kindle
I haven't tried nemesis sword out but I heard it has big numbers
proven osprey
I'm an Antos dude too
primal hazel
Yeah figured that
opal lodge
I haven't tried nemesis sword out but I heard it has big numbers
it does
you just need like
one hammer
proven osprey
Yeah figured that
How
primal hazel
Cause ur weird
opal lodge
in the words of a prolific switch player, astaos weirdchamp
primal hazel
Did i git got?
viral star
angle youre insane
JWEIFJ EWIJIJWE i just like how hard it hits!!
also antos is quick at least ///side eyes mort
primal hazel
I just shuddered
proven osprey
4 letters in common
Smart
proven osprey
Cause ur weird
It's really good, do I need to explain why?
primal hazel
You'll have to get used to that again
proven osprey
True
But anyway
Antos can os Sneak, Doomstone (even if I don't use it), and can save time or your ass to one hit furies last phase
viral star
yeah!!!
one of the reasons i dont use meg on high heat is that i hardly have the firepower to defeat the erinyes @ tartarus
balmy scroll
Hello all! I was wondering if anyone could suggest a guan yu build? I have it at level 2 now. Was thinking Artemis special and Aphrodite attack?
primal hazel
Max it
proven osprey
You've come to the right place
primal hazel
Otherwise @proven osprey is the resident gy expert
viral star
astaos you are insane
proven osprey
I need to write down everything I know about GY somewhere
proven osprey
astaos you are insane
Some say I am
proven osprey
Hello all! I was wondering if anyone could suggest a guan yu build? I have it at...
This one is your typical charged skewer build. You fish for Heart rend and it's op
proven osprey
I don't know why you can't just write three sentences in here
Lmao
viral star
its really impressive!!
proven osprey
Playing GY? Lol
viral star
my faves are rama and arthur, i guess i like slow and steady hard hitters
primal hazel
Tmi
balmy scroll
Okay. I was wondering if Demeter could work? Also, does Zeus attack trigger on the spin attack?
unkempt fractal
Is the laser gun still viable after the nerf?
viral star
athenas dash and youre set/s
balmy scroll
So, are you focusing on the spin attack or the special?
proven osprey
~~athenas dash and youre set/s~~
True actually
proven osprey
It's more dash strike than attack but it's still ok
primal hazel
Serrated pointy hunter dash, artemis attack hearts rend is the only way
primal hazel
It's more dash strike than attack but it's still ok
I was referring to the idea of a zeus attack build
proven osprey
So, are you focusing on the spin attack or the special?
Depends on the hammer. GY relies on it (too much...). Quick/massive spin, serrated point and charged skewer are really good
proven osprey
I was referring to the idea of a zeus attack build
Oh
balmy scroll
Okay, thanks! I’ll try out some of the options. Appreciate it
proven osprey
There is a "safe" strat. Start owl pendant, find the dash. If hammer is bad, go for Ares to build Merciful End (divine flourish)
Any % special is good with charged skewer
Most of the time you'll get something out of 2 hammers
If not + no ME it's doomed but you can still clear. But it will be hard
"Without ME it's doomed"
I'm so funny
primal hazel
Imma laugh in a min
balmy scroll
Look at that, started a new run and got charged skewer first room
balmy scroll
Will do! I have owl pendant right now to get dash
proven osprey
Heartbreak flourish would be very good too
balmy scroll
And divine dash right away. Feeling good about this one
rare kindle
The nice thing about divine dash is that rarity and level don't matter
high dune
Which boons go well with aspect of zeus' special
primal hazel
Ironically
Zeus Special
Zeus: ME|Zeus on special with double strike and the legendary, poseidon attack and dash, zeus and pos duo (jolted, rupture, poseidon legendary, artemis pressure points+ support fire,dem duo), explosive catch, pulverizing blow
| means different build
viral star
when nobody got me...i know divine dash got me. can i get an amen
proven osprey
Amen
cunning urchin
<@311477984886521856> it was funny right?
No.
proven osprey
!
high dune
o
turbid needle
Are duo boons not guaranteed to show up when being offered choices by a god? I couldn't get the Aphrodite + Artemis boon to show up despite having two of the requisite boons
zinc robin
Pretty sure they're not
In fact, I think they are actually like getting epic boons or legendary iirc
turbid needle
Anyone here have a fun lazy fist build
zinc robin
I could be misremembering though
turbid needle
I’m trying out ||em 4 hades|| with fists it’s been ages
zinc robin
I am actually about to go into an em4 hades fight, this run has been super fun and I'm actually feeling pretty confident
turbid needle
Good luck
raven aspen
https://youtu.be/90-8RwioHEo
Finally, managed to build almost perfect ME Gilgamesh, only 5 attempts to get all essencials 
zinc robin
Do you guys think this build can do it?
https://imgur.com/a/4ROKl3W
turbid needle
Do you guys think this build can do it?
https://imgur.com/a/4ROKl3W
Yes
zinc robin
I tried to highlight the most important ones I think
turbid needle
Now it’s just up to luck and skill
zinc robin
I'm feeling good about it
turbid needle
Yeah
zinc robin
I have all 3 deaths defiance's still
Each one will bring back about 150 health
Plus I have broken speakpoint
turbid needle
All dd don’t do as much as you think