It is
#h1-builds-and-combat
proven osprey
forest marsh
It's not going to let you tank damage, if that's what you mean
proven osprey
But you have to be careful ofc
versed spoke
no no, tanking damage is expecting too much
river wing
are you sure it's not about spinning to heal? 😉
proven osprey
It's a nice tool
Harder to use at high heat
Working with LC4 too
But if you begin with GY you'll just get hit trying to
versed spoke
I have yet to even attempt a single cast build.
versed spoke
I find casting awkward.
devout ether
I live longer if I just never spin with GY
devout ether
I find casting awkward.
KBM?
versed spoke
the zagreous sword is actually one of the best swords
river wing
im getting pretty decent at spinning on FO2
healing without FO is really easy for me now.
proven osprey
Without FO it's free y
versed spoke
what's FO for the unitiated? I've only played like 6 heat
devout ether
im getting pretty decent at spinning on FO2
I cant even imagine submitting to this torture
river wing
zag sword is one of the best from the back, 😛
proven osprey
what's FO for the unitiated? I've only played like 6 heat
Forced overtime, speedy enemies
versed spoke
I've never killed hades with the chirion bow aspect, I always die
or any bow for that matter
proven osprey
For now, spin when enemies are spawning and against melee ones (thugs are free)
versed spoke
but I always make it to hades
proven osprey
Well that's good
versed spoke
Chririon bow is best bow right? or...?
devout ether
I like Rama more
river wing
all the bows are really good.
versed spoke
@devout ether does it have an unspecified buff like gilgamesh?
smoky oasis
Chirion is pretty easy to clear, although slower. Just put Dio on special and Doom/Weaken on attack and watch bosses melt
It's very bad at clearing the early rooms though, so slow
devout ether
<@!105734587031777280> does it have an unspecified buff like gilgamesh?
Gilgamesh buff is very much specified
All 4th aspects have something funky going on
versed spoke
I didn't know you could multi dash until I equipped it, its not on the weapon description
devout ether
It is?
versed spoke
I mean, once you equip it, you notice you can multi dash, but its not written on the description
but its good to know all the 4th aspects have mojo
devout ether
I'm pretty sure it mentions the dashes. Am I losing it?
smoky oasis
Most weapons are bad unless fully upgraded though, so you gotta choose
wheat loom
What are some favorite boons on Hades spear?
versed spoke
I think I'm using the beowulf shield wrong because, I didn't like it as much as I though I would
Considering the chaos shield is great, I thought the beowulf would feel right at home
other than having a wider attack and the cast loading, does beowulf have some other buff I"m not aware of?
devout ether
You know you can load all three casts, right?
versed spoke
yes
versed spoke
Hestia or Eris?
I supose if you're lucky and get the hammer that you don't have to reload, with the special damage buff, Eris might be better?
icy kernel
Does Flying Cutter work with Aspect of Demeter?
devout ether
Eris is the highest dps aspect in the game
languid dagger
Does Flying Cutter work with Aspect of Demeter?
the one that is kick? Yes, it should
turbid needle
Flying Cutter is charged Special, and yes.
still vigil
if i have max JS on should i also put on max FO?
bronze marten
Eris is the highest dps aspect in the game
how so?
sonic juniper
if i have max JS on should i also put on max FO?
If you are asking that you probably should not max FO regardless of JS
turbid needle
if i have max JS on should i also put on max FO?
what heat you going for
JS3 doesn't sound good
still vigil
32
sonic juniper
I would not use FO2 or JS3 for 32 tbh
turbid needle
what weapon?
FO2 is fine imo
idk about JS3
i feel like there's easier pacts to take
devout ether
how so?
Eris' damage boost is universal. It boosts stuff like Zeus lightning, hangover, etc.
Also, Cluster Rockets with Eris is just ridiculous
turbid needle
32
Check this out if you haven't: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
bronze marten
Eris' damage boost is universal. It boosts stuff like Zeus lightning, hangover, ...
ok, gonna go try that out now then! thanks!
opal lodge
I would just say stay far far away from any approval process or routine inspection at 32 heat
still vigil
HL4, JS3, EM4, CP2, BP2, MM, FO1, and DC2 is what Ive been running
for the past 143 attempts
it's been...rough
icy kernel
Flying Cutter is charged Special, and yes.
the only issue is sometimes it fires before the charge
Like it'll fire, then charge, then fire the charged one. So you waste your super-hit.
turbid needle
JS3 CP2 sounds brutal
still vigil
youd think id figure that out by the 6th run
but no. I didnt.
it was...so many mobs
and all of them so tanky with max damage control
elites were a nightmare
turbid needle
It only charges standing Special. Kinda annoying since the Dash-Strike window is so large and I don't think it mentions super specifically it's no Dash-Special, but there is a way to control it.
cunning urchin
RI difficulty for 32 is overrated.
turbid needle
You think RI isn't as bad as some players view it?
cunning urchin
Yeah, 100%. Cast aspects don't like RI3+ and Nemesis because it relies on Dash-Strikes a lot.
rare kindle
even the first level of RI feels pretty bad
cunning urchin
I would even claim that RI4 Excalibur at 32 is easy. That's 8 Heat you can take off other things, and you'll have so much eHP that you won't lose a DD anyway if you have FO0, LC0, and HL0.
opal lodge
EM4 CP2 JS3 is one of the most nightmarish combos i've heard of
turbid needle
Maybe it's not a big deal for experienced players
opal lodge
especially with HL4
turbid needle
But I know I wouldn't be able to do 32 mirrorless
or even RI3 probably
That stuff seems like it takes practice to get used to
cunning urchin
I don't think you know that.
RI4 Excalibur with Weak starts you with 240 eHP in Tartarus.
opal lodge
RI is less punishing for experienced players i'll give you that
but i wouldnt say it's easy
cunning urchin
You'll get plenty of rerolls from Chthonic Key chambers to get Dodge, Second Wind, or Sturdy from Lord Hermes for even more eHP or more dashes or Swift Strike, all of which are amazing on Excalibur. Even Swift Flourish and Quick Recovery are nice.
All the hammers on Excalibur are good. Dash Nova even gives you Sturdy for more eHP.
mighty ermine
the main reason i would give in favor of avoiding RI entirely at 32 is simply dark foresight
it allows your boons and health to snowball pretty dramatically, which can make a run easier for many
pseudo stream
for 32 heat, what spear builds are fun? haha
solid cairn
@pseudo stream achilles with zeus cast
just watch it bounce around the room
be sure to get artemis attack for bosses
pseudo stream
I suck so much at Achilles, I fling myself into lava and die
cunning urchin
Guan Yu with Tempest Strike.
pseudo stream
Poseidon attack? Is the push good somehow?
solid cairn
don't have much experience
pseudo stream
I find serrated point makes me take a lot of damage, the dash distance ruins a lot of my muscle memory
solid cairn
well you have to develop new muscle memory
turbid needle
I rely too much on spacing to enjoy serrated point
solid cairn
use the achilles special to teleport around
turbid needle
like it takes 2 dashes to get out of the way of dad spin attack
solid cairn
well it's a great hammer
pseudo stream
I mean I win with it a lot but I don’t feel like I earned it
It does so much damage
solid cairn
works very well with achilles because again the telelport helps you get out of places
pseudo stream
Doesn’t that take even longer that two dashes though?
solid cairn
you can throw it out ahead of time
turbid needle
yeah it's a great hammer I simply do not Vibe with it
pseudo stream
But then you’re not attacking at all and might as well just be in a different place? I think?
solid cairn
flurry jab is probably better on achilles
but both are good
but if you get both on the same run serrated pretty much overrides it
solid cairn
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still vigil
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cunning urchin
Poseidon attack? Is the push good somehow?
You asked what's fun, not what's good. The knockback on the spin with Tempest Strike is actually pretty insane, though, and if you can double down on his t2 boons + the legendary, it's actually really really good (ideally with spin hammers), but it requires some real work to get there. Tempest Strike spins are amazing against Chariots.
And you can easily knock everything on magma in Asphodel with spins. Should use the regular attack for floating enemies, though.
In any case, it's good utility in Charged Skewer runs, but you give up some ability to lifesteal fast in regular encountersin exchange for knockback.
Since it knocks enemies away from the spin on the first hit.
versed spoke
Just upgraded the Epic hermes boon to its Heroic counter part Greatest Reflex, dash +4
Here's to one day upgrading it to legendary
I was thinking, demeter boon right? Besides Eurydice, is there any other character that just upgrades your boons? Only the Demeter boon right?
pallid glade
That only goes to Heroic. Iirc, there's no upgrade from heroic to legendary; legendary being a separate category like duos.
versed spoke
That only goes to Heroic. Iirc, there's no upgrade from heroic to legendary; leg...
Thank you. Even though it broke my heart.... I needed to hear it.
pallid glade
You're welcome, and sorry 🙂
versed spoke
It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.
void fjord
lmao nice
forest marsh
It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.
You did get 8 dashes though. 7 in Hades and one more when your hopes were dashed just now 
...
Too soon?
versed spoke
The gilgamesh gloves gives you +2 dash
void fjord
ahhh
versed spoke
so you get +2 from mirror, +2 from gilga + 4 from hermes
versed spoke
for me, that fact alone makes gilgamesh best gloves
forest marsh
Though wouldn't that be 8 right there already?
void fjord
so you get +2 from mirror, +2 from gilga + 4 from hermes
isnt that 8?
forest marsh
Ah, I misinterpreted your hope of getting 8 dashes as unattainable
void fjord
yea same
versed spoke
I'll never stop dashing.
forest marsh
It's true, the Count can't help but be dashing
untold vortex
sings gas gas gas, but themed around dashes instead
void fjord
imp q, whats ur fav dash?
versed spoke
Its a tie between the Shinobi dash from the ps2 game, and the Megaman X series dash. I have to say, the Hades dash it top tier as well.
valid storm
Athena easily
forest marsh
Depends on the build. I enjoy most of them in different contexts
untold vortex
or when you go shotgun bow
void fjord
well any melee build gets screwed by poseidon dash really
untold vortex
shotgun bow is quite fun, especially with the zag bow buff
forest marsh
I don't think it's very popular but I enjoy using Mistral Dash (ignoring builds, just the feel of it)
void fjord
I don't think it's very popular but I enjoy using Mistral Dash (ignoring builds,...
same actually
i enjoy it alot also for privileged status
river wing
blade dash ftw
versed spoke
I love all the dashes.
royal helm
Mistral Dash seems to be slightly underrated... but it is a quite powerful dash
opal lodge
i think it can be good for certain things
just most of the time i'd prefer tidal/athena
it sort of does a similar thing to tidal just a bit worse but with chill
royal helm
Yeah, it's definitely less damage than Tidal. And not survivability like athena dash...
But on some weapons I actually prefer it
opal lodge
which ones?
royal helm
Mistral
Tidal is nice on all the spear/gun/bow aspects, since it won't really mess with you
Athena dash great on everything
But Mistral Dash really just makes bosses so much easier
It might be a crutch... but #worth
It eventually will just get to 10 stacks ... and chances are you will not lose the chill stack
Even through an impervious phase change
And that either A. Takes away FO2 entirely (if additive)
Or B. Does more than taking away FO2 (if multiplicative)
opal lodge
i feel like i'd still rather have athena dash if i'm worried about bosses
chill is great though
my main issue is dad's invis cleanses it which i think is quite cheesy
royal helm
Yea, that is annoying
Sneaks are annoying for that same reason
I suspect that's an intended design that he cleanses himself though... but it's odd, because none of the curses seem so powerful that he needs to cleanse himself
But it definitely is super obnoxious when you get bad rng and he stealths a lot
void fjord
sneak is the worst enemy against status affect builds
on EM4 ||its so annoying to kill them with your build all cause they teleport and i hate them, i absolutely hate them||
opal lodge
sneaks are annoying for any weapon that lacks a very good burst combo
turbid needle
what's the worst miniboss summon you could get for EM4? 
sonic juniper
Urns are why HS sucks so much
proven osprey
but it's also good to suicide quickly in lava
valid storm
Yeah I never use HS, not worth
still vigil
what does a dash strike build for malphon look like to yall
cunning urchin
Divine Strike, Hunter Dash, Deadly Reversal or Curse of Agony, Divine Dash, Merciful End.
turbid needle
I'm watching a 50 heat chiron clear and they started with ares, is there any particular reason for that? https://youtu.be/j2gjjUXy71g
hoary slate
They went for the Ares-Dio Duo. And Damage-Control incentivises having Attacks with multiple hits.
turbid needle
How is that any better from, say, taking Aphro-Dio?
Wouldn't that take care of the DC anyways?
hoary slate
It's faster
turbid needle
but only by 0.15s
coarse moss
bow attack pierces which is nice against big number of enemies, you can kite them and put doom on
turbid needle
it doesn't seem worth the extra damage and dr from taking weak
cloud vault
Doing a build at all with ap2 🙄
hoary slate
well tbh i've just looked at the translated description and it said he initially wanted Ares' Special. Just lucked into the whole thing
cloud vault
But then you need to hit impending doom and dire misfortune which are great except this is AP2 so good luck with that
proven osprey
some people showed it was good here
turbid needle
The special?
valid storm
Makes sense
turbid needle
I'll check that out, thank you
cloud vault
Yeah, I didn't share here because it was only 20 heat but it worked for me
cunning urchin
How is that any better from, say, taking Aphro-Dio?
Your Attack would do no damage. With Curse of Agony, your Attack will do no damage through DC, but Doom will.
zinc radish
Hey guys I have a question
cunning urchin
Ask, then.
valid storm
Think he already found what he needed
cunning urchin
That works.
somber hemlock
Hi, I'm new here, any recommendation which best aspects for spear?
Currently I'm using zag aspect for spear, utilize the backstab
sonic juniper
Hades is easiest to play imo
Achilles is for cast builds, but you have to keep track of your buff charges
somber hemlock
I find it hard to use Achilles because we keep close with enemies, they hit very hard on hell mode 😩
proven osprey
Hi, I'm new here, any recommendation which best aspects for spear?
I have the answer but haters will hate
devout ether
I have the answer but haters will hate
That's right, the best spear aspect is indeed Eris Rail
dry shuttle
I think it's very strange how my weapons of choice have changed as I moved through the game
in the beginning the spear and the fists were my favourite and now the shield and bow are my favourites
I still like fists but I get hit a lot because I stay too close to enemies
I'm realizing that spear isn't everything I thought it was
devout ether
As you get better and understand the game more, you can now more accurately assess what is and isnt powerful. This is normal.
dry shuttle
yeah I suppose it is
I think it's actually part of what makes the game so good: it's got such an amazing learning curve
turbid needle
sword has been my favorite since the very beginning lol
dry shuttle
sword is cool yeah
I like poseidon for cool cast shenanigans
is it any good with lightning phalanx?
devout ether
Zeus cast is definitely one of the best casts for Pos sword
Though typically you still want to get Exit wounds either way
turbid needle
hunting blades with uncle sword is p much a free win
hunting blades in general lol
that 50% cast dmg increase is huge
devout ether
But.... Achilles is much better for Rift Blade
Since it doesnt lodge
Why settle for 50% damage when you can get 150%?
turbid needle
because I like sword
devout ether
Fair
tame bison
I cannot make Sword work. I’m not good enough at dodging and not patient enough with bosses to duck in and out.
dry ember
Do you know how to dash strike spam?
tame bison
Nope
devout ether
Just press dash and attack at the same time
Then do it again
Practice against Skelly
tame bison
You don’t just get wrecked in the pauses between dashes?
dry ember
Shameless plug but here is how to properly dash strike on sword. Vid is old but still relevant.
You input both Dash and Strike at the same time
And repeat, you use Special to cover your dash cooldown
turbid needle
oh I was just doing double dash strike special
dry ember
So if you have 2 dashes, the combo would be Special, Dash Strike, Dash Strike x infinity.
Again, your dash strike if input fast will cover your pause. Special cover your dashes cooldown.
turbid needle
https://streamable.com/0ujenv recent example of how I faceroll
dry ember
5 bloodstones 👀
turbid needle
ofc divine dash helps
tame bison
Yeah I bet there’s like two dozen cheesy strategies that i am not using that I should be.
devout ether
Not "cheesy", just... good gameplay
main osprey
though there is certainly some cheese available
dry ember
tomato tomato
devout ether
~~though there is certainly some cheese available~~
Oh for sure
tame bison
I don’t mean it in a bad way, but being more or less perma invul is cheesy haha
dry ember
but being more or less perma invul is cheesy haha
actually, no
Dash Strike has no i frames
devout ether
No such thing
main osprey
Spoken like someone who doesn't use the shield
dry ember
so you get hit a lot if you dash strike spam with sword.
devout ether
Even with Athena Dash, you're still gonna get clipped if you're reckless
dry ember
it's still "cheese" in the sense that you are not using the sword combo
tame bison
Sorry what’s an i frame? Please
dry ember
invincible frame?
tame bison
Ah
dry ember
Dash Strike doesn't make you invul
devout ether
Frames of animation where you cannot be harmed
dry ember
in fact it strips you of that.
main osprey
Dash gives you i-frames, you lose them when you hit attack
dry ember
Thing is sword normal combo is kinda meh
devout ether
You can delay you attack to still get a dash attack with most of the iframes, but this is slower, which might result in getting hit anyways
dry ember
So people resort to other playstyles.
main osprey
Only sword combo I know is special dash canceling
dry ember
Arthur Special Dash Cancel is really satisfying
especially when you can relocate the Consecration zone
tame bison
Sorry I’m very new to the actual mechanics of things
dry ember
all good. it's really unintuitive that some weapons don't really utilize their gimmicks to be optimal
tame bison
Speaking of shield...do you just hide behind block and then rush/bash things and then hide again?
dry ember
but you don't need to optimize to win the game
sonic mural
i think the most skilled and op sword combo is holding down left click on flurry cursed zag sword
main osprey
No worries! Basically, if you dash at a certain point in the Special animation, you can exit the animation early and dash, with the effect still happening
dry ember
Speaking of shield...do you just hide behind block and then rush/bash things and...
You can if you want. Though the game solves "turtling" with shield by introducing a thing called Tight Deadline, basically a timer. So you can't dodge/hide/block forever, you need to go on the offense.
main osprey
Speaking of shield...do you just hide behind block and then rush/bash things and...
On Chaos Aspect, pretty much. It's not the fastest, but Chaos has decent damage still
dry ember
It's a self-selective challenge, if you want a "non-cheesy" "no-play-lame" mode, it's there.
turbid needle
bull rush dash strike loops seem to be the best on shield
dry ember
also swan. is that a Linoone in a Link costume?
main osprey
she's one of my current D&D characters I'm happy to brag about her if you're curious in the off-topic section
balmy portal
there should be special dialogue for death defying 5 times versus Hades
I know he complains if you death defy a lot, but that's getting excessive
main osprey
There kinda is, you get a special victory title
balmy portal
oh?
I thought that was just for death defying over the whole run
I mean you stack chaos' legendary + skelly tooth for 5 within that one fight 😛
main osprey
It is, yeah
balmy portal
getting five in a run is ~easier because you can replenish
main osprey
I think 6 times?
balmy portal
it requires the chaos legendary so it's not practical, which is why it would just be a single reaction rather than anything people would care to farm
hahaha yes
grim vessel
best chiron build for 32 heat?
opal lodge
low tolerance with heartbreak strike drunken flourish
or heart rend
with heartbreak strike deadly flourish
though a lot of other things work too
main osprey
(could also ask in #h1-high-heat-strategies )
(not saying you can't ask here, just that you can also ask there)
tame bison
@dry ember in that YouTube clip you posted around 7:40 min mark, you skip an Athena boon for a shop and clearly have no intention of buying anything. Why skip boon ? Save health?
dry ember
Because it was a challenge run. I don't want anything boon, the divine dash was because I was forced to pick it.
tame bison
Ah okay
dry ember
In general, don't skip boons.
tame bison
Thanks
balmy portal
I can't express how sad I am that Explosive Upper and Flying Cutter don't stack their effects for charged demeter
Hello tiny vermin
teal juniper
I can't express how sad I am that Explosive Upper and Flying Cutter don't stack ...
it would be a bit strong on explosive upper
idk about flying tho
balmy portal
it works fine with either by themselves.
So yes, it is a bit strong.
five explosive upper blasts are nice
just, if I do a dash upper with it charged and hold the attack to use flying cutter, the dash takes the 5x attack (Which triggers explosive upper) and then it's just a single strike uppercut after that
that said, gloves and their dash upper are weird because dash strike boons work on them
so it's pretty unpredictable
teal juniper
ok that's weird
balmy portal
the anvil has solved my issues by taking away one of them
sadly it gave me a slower attack which is RIP
awwww. I have "foes are shocked when knocked back" and poseidon "knock back on special" but when I use the 5x attack it doesn't strike them 5 times
shock on knock back is pretty weak then 😦
tame bison
General rule: Should I prioritize centaur hearts or pomegranates thru Tartarus?
main osprey
Depends on if you have boons worth leveling
balmy portal
depends on build
also, on your confidence for the later part
I end up around 200 health even if I try to avoid hearts, usually
main osprey
shock on knock back is pretty weak then 😦
what weapon?
balmy portal
just
gloves
yeah
it'd be good on others
but demeter's charge attack apparently counts all five strikes as a single knockback
main osprey
huh
balmy portal
even though it should be 5 individual strikes and it sure sends things flying far enough
ig
oh
it sends them flying so far because it counts them as one strike
and kb distance is based on damage of the attack
well, that makes sense
opal lodge
also depends how scared you are, whether youre running high confidence or RI, etc
first pom in your main dps boon should be a high priority though
balmy portal
quite a lot of specials count multiple hits as a single strike
I guess this does too because otherwise thunder flourish would be pretty strong on it
that said; demeter glove special hits hard enough that a good +% will out-do thunder flourish anyway
so it doesn't really need to treat it as a single strike
unlike the bow, which would be nuts
opal lodge
yeah iirc that^ is why bow thunder special doesnt work like youd want it to
its not that the game treats it as one strike
opal lodge
yeah, im guess dem fists uppercut hits are more frequent than 0.3
coincidentally zeus shield also hits every 0.3 s
balmy portal
I wouldn't want bow thunder special to work, that would be nuts
opal lodge
im wondering if that was intentional
balmy portal
Demeter special I'd like to work, though
opal lodge
why not just run artemis special
balmy portal
Because I'm doing a 0 heat dark farming run just grabbing whatever popped
and seeing what interesting combos work/don't work
(and which ones seem like they should work but don't due to hidden implementation stuff)
zeus lightning in general is murdered by hidden implementation/odd decisions
the internal cooldown really restricts it from a lot of the options that would work best; and his legendary is ????
teal juniper
it's pretty good on attack with lightning
balmy portal
I don't understand his legendary because it doesn't seem to target, it doesn't trigger chain
teal juniper
or just stuff that hits alot
balmy portal
it just kinda randomly floats a bolt off to the side
doesn't work on single targets at all and is erratic on multiple
opal lodge
it works like a mini cast
teal juniper
it's a free 40 damage every time you hit stuff with lightning
opal lodge
if you run the dps mod you can see how much it does
balmy portal
it never hit
opal lodge
it does
balmy portal
I'd watch the bolts just go flying off the bottom of the screen when all the remaining enemies were at the top
stuff like that constantly
teal juniper
how effective is razor shoals btw? because I can never see the damage it does most of the time
balmy portal
terrible
opal lodge
ruptured is actually a surprising amount of damage iirc
teal juniper
like it's great for priv status
balmy portal
enemies don't move all that much and when they stop to attack it stops ticking
opal lodge
thats one of the things that was shown to be severely underrated with the dps mod
its quite good damage wise on its own
balmy portal
it would be good if it did 50% damage when not moving
teal juniper
it's just I wish there was something to track the damage on it in base game
balmy portal
like
opal lodge
im telling you the damage on razor shoals has been measured
it is already in a good place
buffing it to 50% on nonmoving enemies would be absurd
teal juniper
honestly showing the extra damage it does would be a buff in terms of how people view it
teal juniper
yeah, easy priv status as well
opal lodge
by miles
teal juniper
probably
opal lodge
but you get offered razor shoals more since its a status boon
balmy portal
razor shoals will do good damage over time to a boss
but its damage per second is low
it just can have high uptime
so it's really dependent on what you're applying it with
nova shale
I feel like hangover is really weird to work with
Not sure if it does a viable amount of damage, but more importantly, it's hard to judge when you've put enough DOT on an enemy to kill them in the middle of a pitched action
And letting the DOT kill them means they have several seconds to continue attacking you
balmy portal
yep
it stacks too low for most sources
and it does too low damage per tick for the ones that don't overcap it
nova shale
I feel like the game would benefit from having poison indicators
balmy portal
it's in a pretty bad place imo
personally though, I'd like hangover to go in a different direction: Add a -% damage per stack
nova shale
Namely, turn part of the enemy's healthbar purple from hangover to show how much the hangover will take off over its duration
balmy portal
so it becomes defensive and the damage is just secondary
nova shale
But then it's still underpowered
raven aspen
https://youtu.be/-pyuJxB5M_A
Don't know if someone did it before , but I liked this strategy Gilgamesh Ares jump build + jumping into the wall, easy and fast Hades kill 😄 sorry for russian interface
balmy portal
But then it's still underpowered
it's underpowered for damage, but much stronger for defenses
like Athena
raven aspen
@dry ember no, dodge is if use jumps in timing, but I didn't do it to let reveng boons work
dry ember
I'm legit curious if this is viable high heat
Obviously dps will be a problem
Because no Vengeful or Vic Cycle
But worth checking out nonetheless
turbid needle
that's incredible
opal lodge
could be decent on 40 heat or so
50 heat vengeful + vic cycle is asking a lot
vengeful has just about as stringent reqs as ME for not nearly as much payoff
might steal this for 40 heat gilga though
balmy portal
blades so stronk
just need the hunting blade cast to drop in there occasionally too
.>
cinder wave
Is there a “builds 101” doc floating around out there somewhere that gives a high level overview for relatively new folks? 🤔
balmy portal
new folks should just try stuff and embrace the joy of discovering fun combos imo >.>
(I'm not aware of any document)
turbid needle
Is there a “builds 101” doc floating around out there somewhere that gives a hig...
there's a very basic guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players
i don't know of anything that gives a high level overview
cinder wave
there's a very basic guide pinned in <#725021347968712724>
I'll have a look. Thanks!
balmy portal
that said
you can just ask for strong combos for a specific weapon/aspect, if you're looking for some direction 🙂
cinder wave
Oh, that's kind. Thanks!
main osprey
ye! We're happy to help with ideas ^.^
unkempt igloo
one of my favorite builds is the ||Achilles spear|| with posiden on the attack and the hit 3 times but no spin hammer... You can just throw enemies across the map its so fun
proven osprey
Feel free to spoil upon this cursed land
cinder wave
Athena dash seems like the foundation of most defensive packages, but I've also seen people mention Hermes and Artemis dashes. I'm curious when I might prefer the latter. 🤔
pseudo stream
Hermes isn't exclusive, it's just extra dashes
Artemis can be good if you expect a lot of your damage to come from Dash-Strikes and you don't mind dying a little bit 😛
balmy portal
zane - when you've learned enemy attack patterns and your dodge timing, you don't need athena dash nearly as much
artemis is good for boosting dash strike damage, other interesting dashes include Ares (See video above of Hades being shredded) and aphrodite (To inflict weakness when dashing in which sets up heart rend, a duo boon between artemis and aphrodite)
poseidon dash can also be fun
with its knockback per dash, add in some on-knockback or on-wall hit boons and +dashes from hermes or gilgamesh (glove aspect that adds extra dashes) it can clear tight spaces silly fast
for dodging, note that you've invuln during your dodge. That invuln ends when the dodge ends or if you begin an attack.
So if you're trying to avoid an incoming attack, don't dash strike
or strike late in your dash
cinder wave
Got it. That's super helpful.
See video above of Hades being shredded
Whenever I try something like this I die way too fast. It's not clear to me how that person isn't taking more damage. 😮
balmy portal
they're spamming dodges and not attacking, and are invuln during the dodge
cinder wave
Ohh.
balmy portal
you have full invulnerability if you time dodges right
cinder wave
So it's expert timing.
balmy portal
they get hit a few times, but yeah
experience/practice will get you there 😄
until then, I suggest using the broken spearpoint for Hades at least
it's amazing for preventing eating multiple huge strikes in a row when you're not sure about the dodge timing yet
cinder wave
Patroclus hasn't decided to show up in my game yet, unfortunately.
Which is weird, since most of my runs make it through Elysium.
balmy portal
well, you'll get him eventually!
the easiest first clears I had were with ranged options
the gun and focusing on its mortar, or casting builds (dionysus or demeter casts and lots of poms in them)
my brother on the other hand loved to dashing strike everything to death
cinder wave
I'm learning quickly that dash-strike is pretty important for many builds.
I did not realize at all that it's the foundation for lots of (most?) bow builds.
balmy portal
it improves the draw speed at a small cost of damage
though it's particularly the foundation for the fourth aspect
foggy pilot
everybody seems to favor ranged options but the dmg output of the bow feels low
balmy portal
It's not nearly as good without boons as the gun
foggy pilot
it feels like all i get are crappy boons
gotta upgrade the chance in the mirror i guess
devout ether
With bow, you want to be dash-attacking always
It's a good idea to practice on skelly until you get the timing for the power shot down right
balmy portal
I never really bother paying attention to power shots >.> I'm a bad bowyer
weak violet
Question, whats the chance on getting a legendary without god’s legacy?
Cuz man, im trying to do a freezing vortex + hunting blades build with achilles and maybe vicious cycle and rng sucks balls
weak violet
Hmm, welp thx
cinder wave
How often do y'all aim for Privileged Status with your builds?
balmy portal
not very but it's fun when it shows up
I don't usually have a good use for dio's boons that can grant it
cinder wave
Oh, I wasn't thinking about Dio in particular. Something more like Weak plus Blinding Flash.
smoky sinew
Someone should have told me about cast builds... I feel like I was losing my time until now
smoky sinew
No I don't mean the game I was just surprised after seeing people talking so much about builds I didn't run into someone talking about cast builds I tried 2 Hera and 1 Posseidon today and I was more op than I could ever imagine
cinder wave
Yeah, I don't get cast builds at all.
smoky sinew
I def recommend it artemis is a really good choice but there some other stuff you could try
pseudo stream
hm. I found for 32 heat, Ares cast + Ares attack Beowulf didn't do enough damage to pull through
opal lodge
that doesnt exactly sound ideal for beowulf
pseudo stream
yeah, Ares cast was suuuuper good early on, but then as baddies became more mobile it got bad
languid dagger
Why does Athena keep offering DD boons when I have full DDs? Is this a bug or a feature?
dry ember
It's intended
smoky sinew
No its not just a dd it's a boost to dds too
dry ember
You can still get the passive DD upgrade (longer invul or more health)
smoky sinew
I haven't tried beowulf much not my playstyle
languid dagger
You can still get the passive DD upgrade (longer invul or more health)
seems like a waste of boon when you have full dds
unless you are playing stubborn maybe
smoky sinew
Well yeah I'm picking them only to take dds back too but it's not bug
dry ember
seems like a waste of boon when you have full dds
Yeah, but you can't always optimize. You can also get Nourished Souls at full health, or Ocean's Bounty
turbid needle
"REEROOLLLLL!"
pseudo stream
what cast do people suggest for Beowulf?
turbid needle
dionysus
devout ether
what cast do people suggest for Beowulf?
Passion Flare is good
If you want Dio definitely go Stygian Soul
tame bison
Do skills get finishing returns with levels? Like I have chain lightning attack and from 4-6 was only 24 dmg, 25 dmg, 26 dmg
So maybe better to level other things around lvl 4?
smoky sinew
Does demeter's cast work on beowulf and hera or does it get removed when you pick the weapons?
devout ether
Diminishing returns, and yes
thorny dirge
devout ether
Does demeter's cast work on beowulf and hera or does it get removed when you pic...
Casts work differently for Beo
tame bison
Ah okay
pliant anvil
Does demeter's cast work on beowulf and hera or does it get removed when you pic...
the wiki should be up to date on what casts work with what aspect, but you'd need to check each one. I think dio's cast is the only one that doesn't work with hera as it becomes trippy flare instead iirc, which is also what beowulf uses, as beowulf only uses flares iirc.
(I could be wrong, but last time I used hera it gave me trippy flare on the switch iirc)
devout ether
That might be a bug
pliant anvil
it's a great bug if so
jovial herald
Hello there.
Can Turkish language support come for Hades?
pliant anvil
Hello there.
Can Turkish language support come for Hades?
probably better to ask in #hades-localization
languid dagger
what do you guys think is the best hammer for Demeter fists special?
Charged shot?
opal lodge
explosive
languid dagger
another question, if I leave god's keepsake for Asphodel (after wearing it in Tartarus), does it increase this god's chances in Asphodel?
devout ether
You're only given a single boon with the keepsake. You can see when you equip it, it will have a "1", and after you get the boon that will be gone. You always have the rarity increase active, though
languid dagger
thanks
Also, Demeter fists work bad with Splash Dash, right?
I always forget and always end up picking up Tidal when it's bad
tame bison
Still a noob: do I want swift strike or Flurry Cast with Shield/frost strike/crush shot/Ravenous Will
Have privileged status and such
Not really sure if i was supposed to take Will but other options were poop
languid dagger
Not really sure if i was supposed to take Will but other options were poop
what build are you making?
tame bison
No clue. Dis one.
languid dagger
okay, what shield are you playing and what hammers do you have so far
tame bison
No aspect yet. Ferocious guard
languid dagger
so Aspect of Zagreus, first one?
then you want either dash attack hammer or double attack hammer
and % boons for attack
swift strike will be good ofc
ravenous too, but with Stygian
haughty robin
Can you pom engulfing vortex?
weak violet
Y’all know a build for the Zeus aspect?
Also one for Nemesis yet i think its probably a heart rend build
turbid needle
You can actually put the same boons in the same slot.
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish.
Aspect of Zeus also absolutely reams with Merciful End, Doom on Special, and Thunder Flourish.
weak violet
Wait, so your saying Doom on special to get merciful end, then replace it with zeus special?
weak violet
But your saying Doom special, AND zeus special? Cuz Thunder Flourish is just zeus special, and if theres no doom, then whats the point of merciful end?
balmy portal
hmm if razor shoals is good hidden damage, killing freeze must be great
at least, if you have a decent aoe chill application
proven osprey
It's really good
balmy portal
and it setting up for enemies to have 10% less health is very nice too
spiral tree
zeus eris build suggestions?
turbid needle
Lightning Strike, Rocket Bomb.
normal mountain
^
spiral tree
lol I meant like boon/god wise
turbid needle
Roll Zeus, take Lightning Strike.
sonic juniper
Yeah you are over complicating it. Get lots of Zeus. Everything else is secondary, e.g. splash dash, smouldering air, revenge.
tame bison
Yeah my first win as a horrible player was with chain lite rifle jolt etc
And the thing that makes your Casts sit on the ground and bolt stuff
turbid needle
(I know I'm late on this)
Huh. Can't chain Dash-Strikes very well with Guan Yu anymore. Not like you can still do with the other spear Aspects. Serrated Point wasn't that strong, was it?
You get one standing attack you better start Casting and Specialing otherwise you're seeing that third poke and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
cunning urchin
(I know I'm late on this)
Huh. Can't chain Dash-Strikes very well with Guan Yu ...
What do you mean? You couldn't do Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike for a bit in the test branch, but they fixed that already.
Should be back to normal.
What happened was you'd get Dash-Strike > Dash > second Attack in the regular 3-hit Attack combo.
turbid needle
I got it to work kinda eventually.
Right, I know the big issue was fixed.
But if you get a standing attack for whatever reason you have to wait out the entire animation before getting a Dash-Strike after that. Any Attack input (even Dashing out of it into a Dash-Strike) kept the 3-poke combo.
cunning urchin
Yeah! That's because you can dash between the 3-poke combo now. That's intentional. m a big fan of it, actually.
We also got way more damage on the base combo, especially the third hit.
turbid needle
Well, then I suppose I'm in the minority on this mechanic.
cunning urchin
I dunno. m only one person lol.
weak violet
Y’all know a build for Zag Shield?
turbid needle
Most of what I remember reading was that it was a more welcome change.
cunning urchin
I think Amir likes it since he made it that way. So it's 2-1. 
turbid needle
Artemis Attack and Dash, Yupia.
weak violet
Epic
turbid needle
Amir also likes AoE Spread Fire. 
rare kindle
You can also try ares doom special
weak violet
What kind of hammers should i look for?
Might try looking for something like charge shot and pulverize blow
opal lodge
both good
mino rush is also good
charged shot + mino rush will instaglib most things in the game
cunning urchin
Pulverizing Blow, Charged Shot, Minotaur Rush are good, Breaching Rush kinda okay, Explosive Return can make the Special actually good.
Dashing Wallop is nice, too.
weak violet
Epic
cunning urchin
Tbh you should just try all of them and see what works best for you.
cunning urchin
Take whatever sounds nice and see how it works for you.
turbid needle
Alright, Splitting Bolt in Tartarus, time to feel better about that loss.
thick moon
Any tips on killing theseus and asterius without wasting all my death defies?
turbid needle
go for asterius first
Theseus is almost always doing his own thing.
Asterius hunts you relentlessly.
try to keep them separate, you only have to worry about theseus' spear throw
yeah he kinda just wanders around on the other side of the arena
He's very easy to lure away, and like Misty said, just watch out for the spear.
thick moon
Yeah I always do asterius first
But thesaurus is so annoying to fight with his dumb shield
cunning urchin
Yeah, just kite Asterius away behind one of the pillars.
rare kindle
don't change that typo
thick moon
thesaurus
turbid needle
you can set up a ton of damage on theseus at the start of his second phase
What typo?
thesaurus always walks away from you after doing one of his attacks, that's the best time to get some hits in
I can just imagine Cyrus Nemati going off as Theseus after Zag calls him a thesaurus. 
Some real "And just what is a tweedle?" energy.
rare kindle
Yeah, thesaurus is wimpier compared to asterius
cunning urchin
Theseus is easy once you get the hang of it. Get close, empty-dash his spin, attack him from behind, and repeat.
turbid needle
also, I've found that running asterius into a wall is easier than running him into a pillar
rare kindle
only does long range spear attacks, hides behind shield, calls on gods for help once he realizes you may beat him
cunning urchin
My favorite thing to stop Asterius's bull rush is to just punch him with Divine Strike on Malphon.
turbid needle
I think I saw that episode of One Punch Man.
turbid needle
it's like that one fight in punch out
"Have at thee, fiend, and prepare to weep as we send you back to the depths where you belong!" "Okay."
rare kindle
how good is divine strike?
turbid needle
I love when zag is just like "Hi" when he enters a styx room LOL
Third best all-purpose Attack boon in the game.
rare kindle
Seeing the deflect effect is fun
rare kindle
It makes the witches much easier
turbid needle
Divine Flourish made my the last EM4 fight I did with the bow an easy clear.
Watch for the spear throw, casually press M2 and enjoy the damage.
rare kindle
I'm trying for a deadly reversal build on demeter fists
athena on attack, artemis on special
cunning urchin
It's never really a mistake to get an Attack boon. But there are better options on bow, yeah.
cunning urchin
Without EM, you can just keep Attacking and Dash-Striking him with Divine Strike and Deflect everything he does.
opal lodge
and with?
turbid needle
Malphon, presumably.
drifting vale
You can also just give asterius a hug when he goes for the glomp
opal lodge
i meant with EM3 what attacks dont get deflected
sonic juniper
Looking at the patch notes really makes me feel gimped re: builds on the Switch. Looking forward to the big update.
tame bison
I imagine I don’t want both deflect dash and deflect fists right?
cunning urchin
You can Deflect the ground slam, but the timing and positioning for that with Divine Strike is very hard. Very easy to do with an empty dash and Divine Dash, however.
tame bison
Whose ground slam?
cunning urchin
@tame bison you do.
Asterius's ground slam in EM3.
Shockwave won't hit you then.
Divine Strike, Divine Dash, Deadly Flourish, Support Fire, Deadly Reversal.
Brilliant Riposte and Blinding Flash add a lot of damage, too.
tame bison
Huh I’ll have to try it I guess
spiral tree
I wish rail was like full screen range lol
pastel hamlet
id say its strong enough as is loool
tame bison
Is Epic quality Hangover on Spear as special worth it? Doom on auto. Other option is Epic After Party
Or rare positive outlook but that seems less good than Party I dunno
woven delta
I'd go with After Party, personally
Spear special doesn't really attack fast enough to really take advantage of hangover
tame bison
That was my thought thank
coarse moss
the speed of spear special is perfect for doom, imo
vagrant olive
cursed sword is great change my mind
espeically if you can get some aphordite boons
no i mean demeter. I think at least
coarse moss
i dont mind the -60% hp, but out of all the hammer upgrades, its the one that dont add damage
vagrant olive
good point but if you can get a epic level attack speed boon from hermes it's pretty good if you are down in health
saved my death defiances quite a few times
coarse moss
picking cursed sword does make me more aware of avoiding damage, so it's fun in a way
vagrant olive
i also see the greed upgrade being amazing when you have the +80% prices at charons shop
it makes coins less useless
coarse moss
yeah it's pretty good
tame bison
Good auto for Shield? Hangover/chain lightning? How’s Artemis crit
astral helm
Artemis dash affect hestia?
dry ember
It does
opal lodge
the only thing unaffected by hunter dash is lucifer, hence why you cannot be offered it on lucifer
spiral tree
Is the update on switch yet
cosmic hornet
Good auto for Shield? Hangover/chain lightning? How’s Artemis crit
by auto i assume you mean attack?
i'm thinking aphro might be the best? since shield attacks are slow, the weak is nice plus you open up some duos
ares might work too by bullrushing through a crowd but i'm not really sure
for zag shield its probably artemis
coarse moss
for me, shield attack is like a free slot to complement whatever boon you get for the special
hoary slate
which shield?
hoary slate
aid
deep salmon
wait, before that. does mirage shot work with beowulf
hoary slate
yes
deep salmon
i see
coarse moss
which shield?
all but beowulf
main osprey
Zag and Chaos generally have similar builds, but Zeus actually tends to build differently
ime
hoary slate
ZagShields Special has 15 basedamage while the attack has 40 but you do you
main osprey
I don't follow?
hoary slate
he said he basically only uses Special on ZagShield. Which i don't see as the good way to play with it.
coarse moss
oh, i haven't spend blood on it yet, so when i used it before unlocking aspects, best way is to just apply doom to entire room with special
deep salmon
oh speaking of shield aspects
hoary slate
ah ok. well it is safe to stay far away from enemies and slowly let them die
deep salmon
i still don't get how chaos shield is deemed top tier
opal lodge
its super safe
even moreso than zeus or zag
you basically never have to take risks to do damage
main osprey
large range on special, even after it was nerfed
opal lodge
the only thing chaos really suffers at is boss damage
coarse moss
my chaos aspect is still lvl1, and so is my zeus aspect. zeus seem very strong for rapidly doing thunder, compared to chaos
coarse moss
when you shotgun 5 specials, still seem weaker than zeus fast bolts
main osprey
that's because you don't take zeus special on chaos
you take stuff like stacking doom, or full poseidon
coarse moss
hmm i see
main osprey
that also works, yeah
then demeter attack
I might be a bit rusty on builds, a lot of my recent chaos shield runs have been boonless
raven aspen
https://youtu.be/tLwINyQElAM
Pushed Blade dash strategy to 1.17, not far from my personal best time 1.06, if I only'd found 3rd Hermes with rush delivery, that might be ideal build 😅 heroic engulfing vortex+vicios circle is strong.
hollow helm
what should I prioritize in Rama bow, Arty Attack or Arty Dash first?
coarse moss
if enemy dies in 1 hit anyway, so dash has more impact than crit i suppose
cosmic hornet
attack imo
mainly to open up heartrend if you luck out and find aphro, or to leave the dash to athena if you find her
plus crit is just too good
royal helm
Don't get hit 
If you're having survivability issues... prioritize hearts, DR, dodge and Athena
sonic juniper
His phase 2 wrecks me
You can dodge into his lasers - at melee range they have a dead zone where they do no damage
Empty-dash his swings, avoid the pots - that's pretty much it. Much easier than phase 1 since there are no adds.
foggy pilot
I was doing a sword run and i couldnt get close at all
Had to dionysus cask him over and ovrt
sonic juniper
You can i-frame his attacks, and dead-zone his lasers
royal helm
The sword is ... probably the hardest weapon for a newer player
cunning urchin
He's wide open when summoning urns, after spins, and during beams (if youre on top of him).
foggy pilot
and its the first weapon given to a player...
sonic juniper
yeah sword is hard for sure
royal helm
I think mainly because they think it's overall simplistic? I dunno
foggy pilot
I'm on controller so i usually just pick melee options but people insist ranged is mucj better for first clears
royal helm
And I guess Zagreus' aesthetic / branding has him with Stygius
So it's iconic to the character
sonic juniper
Ranged is much easier. For melee you need more knowledge of attack patterns and i-frames
royal helm
Yea, was gonna say... I suspect most people get their first clears with safer weapons (ranged) or spear
Shield can be nice as well
cunning urchin
A tip for when you find yourself with dashes on cooldown when you need to I-frame: call activation gives i-frames.
proven osprey
Shield is range, change my mind
sonic juniper
Wait.. all calls or just greater calls?
cunning urchin
Any call.
Evergreen Acorn should help a lot in the fight.
Summons also give i-frames.
foggy pilot
I'll try playing with mouse and keyboard for a few runs
I cant use the bow with controller like at all
cunning urchin
Bow is mainly about spamming Dash-Strike Power Shots.
cunning urchin
Yes.
deep salmon
i wish heroic rarity was possible to get when exclusive access is obtained
somber hemlock
Any recommend on which best aspect for sword? The only weapon that I can't find suitable stile for me
cloud vault
I like Nemesis and Arthur
proven osprey
Depends what you're trying to achieve
You can play Poseidon if you don't like sword
Nemesis and Arthur are good
proven osprey
Idk
I don't play Achilles
I use spear
(tbf Achilles is a spear, where Poseidon is not a sword)
turbid needle
Poseidon starts much stronger but has a lower top end than Achilles.
You can immediately get 3 very strong very spammable Casts with Poseidon, but to really make Achilles work you want Stygian Soul which requires you to pick up more Bloodstones along the way.
raven aspen
Guys, what is the best way to utilize Merciful end, and is this duo worth?
turbid needle
does double edge actually do anything with aspect of arthur?
valid storm
I've used it before on Arthur, it's good if you're dashing around a lot and can't get out your 3 hit combo without getting hit
Really don't have a lot of good hammer options for Arthur
stuck elbow
@raven aspen Merciful End Builds with Arthur used to be my go to, only issue I've had with it on higher heats is that it can brick
turbid needle
yeah its a shame hammer doesnt synergize but its fine cause arthur feels stupid good to play anyway
dash Arthur is cool
cosmic hornet
Guys, what is the best way to utilize Merciful end, and is this duo worth?
the most popular build is probably on melees, running ares on attack, athena on special, athena on dash, and ME
so you automatically proc it when you dash attack through enemies
especially popular with fists
graceful frigate
okay, so from my thought from last night, it seems either pressure points or zeus special is bugged, because i did not see it crit once throughout my entire run starting from when i got PP in the shop right before Meg
is there any known issues with that?
turbid needle
Loved Zeus and Poseydon build with a gun
stuck elbow
Super soaker build is dope
languid dagger
guys, does Achilles spear boost Zeus damage?
narrow estuary
Hera with Demeter cast is so funny because it can stuck through walls in my last run
coarse moss
Guan Yu is fun if you get hammer upgrade that makes the spin faster, and one that makes spin bigger
languid dagger
guys, does Achilles spear boost Zeus damage?
because it really feels like it doesn't
coarse moss
Achilles increase Attack and Cast, so unless it's zeus cast, i guess it doesn't
cloud vault
Guan Yu has a cool build where it becomes a bow. Charged Skewer or something.
raven aspen
Guan Yu is fun if you get hammer upgrade that makes the spin faster, and one tha...
Not so fun when reach Hades 😄
cloud vault
And no, there's no upgrade where your drunk brother and your glorified 'hero' brother join you
coarse moss
i had a good guan yu run with chill on attack, and doom on special
chill hades and doom him hehe
solid cairn
guan yu does much better with a high % damage increase on special
it has high base damage, so doom is less good than just boosting that
raven aspen
when someone says about Guan-bow gameplay, I remember my tank-bow build, with all dmg reduction boons and which strikes without evasion (beware of russian)
https://youtu.be/ajE-vk9drjk
and think, that 50% hp penalty is a bit unfair
solid cairn
to an extent
but guan yu has a very long range special
with athena attack, your spin projectile can deflect things
coarse moss
dont have much experience, but i approximate that aphro with around 100% bonus will add 45 damage to guan yu special, but ares adds 100 on epic
solid cairn
artemis special is where it's at
languid dagger
artemis special is where it's at
I have tried that recently
had Heart rend and everything
on one hand
2,5k crits
on the other hand
it's still f-ing guan yu
solid cairn
once you get charged skewer aphro special become better
guan yu is very good up until high heat
coarse moss
gonna have to try out charged skewer
languid dagger
once you get charged skewer aphro special become better
had that too
maybe I am just too awkward with mouse and keyboard ranged builds
valid storm
Eris maybe, they actually nerfed it in the last patch
Flat damage bonus is pretty hard to beat
solid cairn
eris is still just as good
valid storm
^ You're probably best off using what you are most comfortable with
solid cairn
people have done 50+ heat with zag sword
turbid needle
i don't think the nerf did a lot
you'd still be spamming special anyways
retrash is just that good
valid storm
I guess the idea was that Eris should be the special focused aspect and Hestia the attack focused aspect
foggy pilot
I find it hard to use the rail with controller
valid storm
Me too, I was using keyboard and mouse at first with the rail. Changed my strat up a bit and play aggressively with Eris so you can hop into your special
foggy pilot
Spear seems like the best choice for my playstyle
valid storm
I think having more control over your movement is worth
foggy pilot
Probably true but keyboard and mouse felt so wonky
turbid needle
i think there are people who switch between the two depending on weapon
foggy pilot
Its really hard to think when things get a bit bullet hellish
Having to thing about dash direction and arrow direction messes with my heaf
turbid needle
I tried using controller and I just couldn't do it lol
sonic juniper
Yeah he's slow and predictable but hits hard AF
foggy pilot
yeah i they're really telegraphed but i was too busy trying to get my jaw off the floor
Can I get some pointers on using the shield?
weak violet
It kinda depends on which aspect your using imo
foggy pilot
What if no aspect
weak violet
Usually shields have a most pattern like dash strike > bullrush > and probably special if your using something like chaos
Shields are really great against enemies with good aoe, like Charon or the armored witches miniboss in asphodel
turbid needle
Any useful tips for the Guan Yu Spear? or am I forced to spend Titan Blood to upgrade it to the Max?
foggy pilot
Should I get aspect of zeus or chaos
smoky sinew
I believe guan yu spear is really powerful with posseidon special and if you build around it with rapture and zeus. This way you don't need to uprgade although its gonna be better if you do
weak violet
And get charged skewer for guan yu if you ever come across it
turbid needle
I was using Artemis Special
smoky sinew
try Posseidon and you'll see
turbid needle
I'll try with Poseidon tho
smoky sinew
I believe Zeus shield needs sometime to understand so I would say try chaso first
im still confused about zeus
but if you have no blood for upgrade then zeus
smoky sinew
eh they have their ups and downs
turbid needle
mmm
smoky sinew
if you use zeus correctly it can become rly powerful
turbid needle
i prefer zeus personally
turbid needle
I believe guan yu spear is really powerful with posseidon special and if you bui...
You mean the Poseidon-Zeus Duo Boon Sea Storm?
smoky sinew
yes
smoky sinew
also try getting the charged special from hammer
turbid needle
yes yes