h1-builds-and-combat

[pine flax]

fyi

[solid cairn]

367*

[pallid glade]

oh, brain farts, huh

[tulip blaze]

Lol

[solid cairn]

this is my actual second time using zeus shield

like in general

[tulip blaze]

Bold take, that one

[ripe glade]

@solid cairn I'm 344 in

[velvet solstice]

i lost my 34 streak on zeus shield btw.

yesterday.

[ripe glade]

since steam release only.. never played the early access stuff

[velvet solstice]

its not beacause the shield itself but im still mad af.

[mighty ermine]

it can take some practice to get used to, yes

[pine flax]

all your complaints sound like user error

[velvet solstice]

problem is i went really gready and took the hypnos purse insted a god pedant.

[opal lodge]

cin what the heck

you actually didnt know this stuff

[velvet solstice]

and got worst boons ever which made my run unplayable.

[mighty ermine]

lmao

[solid cairn]

yup

[opal lodge]

this is like when i learned that poms scaling is the same regardless of rarity like 2 weeks ago

[solid cairn]

NO

ITS NOT

[opal lodge]

yessir

[turbid needle]

It is

[ripe glade]

it is

[opal lodge]

cin what the heck

[mighty ermine]

cin slippin

[opal lodge]

early access player btw

[ripe glade]

eg.. Peer Pressure.. common.. is 2%... upgrade with pom is 3%... which is the same as the blue rare

upgrade again.. then it's an Epic version

[solid cairn]

[tulip blaze]

Wow cin I thought you were good at this game

[opal lodge]

it was a trick

[turbid needle]

Peer Pressure is not a %-based boon tho ?

Might be thinking of Positive Outlook

[ripe glade]

but I don't think it's the same with all boons

[opal lodge]

he fooled us into thinking he knows things

the long con

[ripe glade]

yeah it is.. it's 2%

Peer pressure 2%

common

pom makes it 3%

and so on

[solid cairn]

I know things

like... zag spear used to not give special damage

[velvet solstice]

yea thats what im talking about.

[mighty ermine]

peer pressure is a flat hangover number

and it's also terrible

[tulip blaze]

Pressure Points?

[ripe glade]

Peer Preasure maybe one of the exceptions.. might not work for all boons

[velvet solstice]

we need a math man and a spreadsheet.

[turbid needle]

https://gyazo.com/c8ac3f505eed3897dd940a083e57c816

Peer Pressure is NOT what you think it is, @ripe glade

[velvet solstice]

who calculate when its worth to pom a crit chance.

[mighty ermine]

ah yeah i suppose they were thinking of pressure points

[solid cairn]

wow can't believe I'm actually getting bullied on the Supergiant Games™️ Discord server

[turbid needle]

Pressure Points would be accurate, yeah

[ripe glade]

no.. sorry.. whats the one called from Artemis...

[opal lodge]

pressure points

[velvet solstice]

i think it may be worth with lucifer zeus or dio.

[ripe glade]

Pressure points... sorry

[turbid needle]

It's all cool

[ripe glade]

yeah.. thats it.. I just think PP

[velvet solstice]

bot zeus and dio couts separate from attack damage so 1% can make a diff.

[turbid needle]

Best PP vs Worse PP

[velvet solstice]

or maybe not.

[ripe glade]

so Art's PP common is 2%,, with 2 pom's.. it's the Epic version of it..

[turbid needle]

Yup

[velvet solstice]

rarity rng is really frustaring btw.

[ripe glade]

I so agree with the Spreadsheet thing...

[velvet solstice]

when you hunt for a certain boon and get a low rarity you just die inside.

[solid cairn]

no...

rarity isn't a big deal

[opal lodge]

rarity is a bigger deal on certain boons than others

[turbid needle]

^

[velvet solstice]

with sth as ares dooms it is.

[tulip blaze]

Rarity doesn’t often matter that much

[pine flax]

oh i just realized, does the god gauge duo boon make it so you always get the max gauge bonus?

[ripe glade]

I usually find if I'm hunting a boon.. never take Trial's of the God's.. they kinda mess up your build

[opal lodge]

ares doom is one good example of rarity mattering

[velvet solstice]

same with zeus i think.

[turbid needle]

Smoldering Air does NOT allow you to go past 25%

So you can't get max charge bonuses

[opal lodge]

rarity on hunter's mark is also really significant

[mighty ermine]

deadly strike rarity on the other hand, rarely matters too much

[pine flax]

oops i am reading it wrong

[mighty ermine]

basically an urge to kill in difference at most

[ripe glade]

I love Doom... got me through most higher heats with ease

[opal lodge]

deadly strike is more about having crit imo

[mighty ermine]

yeah

[opal lodge]

imagine if deadly strike rarity scaled the crit %

[ripe glade]

Hunting blades build is great.. but haven't a clue what's going on, on the screen.. lol.. mayhem

[mighty ermine]

rip that tech branch bug where pomming deadly anything increased the crit % by the +% damage

[opal lodge]

F

that sounds busted

[turbid needle]

...

I need that

[mighty ermine]

it was lol

[opal lodge]

expeditiously

[turbid needle]

Minotaur Rush spam here we go

[ripe glade]

you guys ever let the game decide the build for you?.. I often play.. just take the Epic's.. no matter what they offer.... taking the Epic's.. and usually end up with a non intended build.. but usually pretty great

[turbid needle]

The Approval Process pact modifier kinda does that

When maxed

[ripe glade]

ahh.. but does that not mean you get less Epic options?

[turbid needle]

Well, if the only boon you get is not epic, yeah

But then again, if you go for higher rarity stuff only is it really the game choosing for you or the reverse

[opal lodge]

LOL

[ripe glade]

playing for a build.. I can get the common's most of the time... but when I just flow with the Epics and see what comes up.. ignoring the Trail's of the Gods.. I usually end up with a good build... passing more of the teenager heat levels..

I love hunting for Dio's Elusive Access boon.. all boons are then Epic

[solid cairn]

ok I think I don't like zeus shield

[turbid needle]

Understandable

[tulip blaze]

It’s okay to be wrong

(I don’t even play Zeus tbh but have you seen that thing)

[ripe glade]

got it in Tart earlier.. rest of the run was just... I was half watching TV and playing.. it was sick..

[opal lodge]

the funniest message ive seen in this discord yet

[pine flax]

what boons do you want with rama

aphro attack?

[turbid needle]

Artemis Attack/Dash

[pine flax]

is art better

[turbid needle]

Special can be Aphro/Zeus

[pine flax]

i see

[turbid needle]

Crits work very well with Rama

Because of the Shared Suffering Status

Get a crit on anyone, that damage gets transferred to everyone else

Artemis Dash is just to pair with Artemis Attack

[pine flax]

is there a pact that adds adds to bosses?

[devout ether]

No.

Well, technically EM1 can cause non-Meg furies to have Meg's summoned minions

But that's something that already happened 1/3 of the time

[velvet solstice]

i go dio special and aphro attack.

duo is really good.

i think you can go any % damage on attack i dont remember other duos.

[pallid glade]

Alright, Hera bow, Dio Cast with Scintillating Feast and Splitting Bolt, EM4 here I come

[pseudo stream]

Is it just me or does stacking Dio stuff kinda suck? I had his call and dash yesterday and I don’t feel his dash mattered

[opal lodge]

you dont want more than 1 source of hangover

what was probably happening was you were using your call which is really strong hangover stacks

and then your dash overwrote those stacks

since new hangover stacks overwrite old ones

[feral cosmos]

What are some good boons and gods to look out for the spear?

[pallid glade]

WHOOO

19:57 on EM4

I'll take it

[devout ether]

He has a lot of boons that dont do anything useful, like the healing boons. The one that gives you plus max hp from nectar at least has the decency to drop a nectar right then

But hangover can be very strong, Trippy Shot can be really good, and he has great duos

[devout ether]

GGs

[pallid glade]

thanks

[pallid glade]

After Party is really nice if you're a beginner, imo. At least if you're lucky to get a higher rarity. In Styx, it really helps get through the poison.

[pseudo stream]

Yeah, no Dio is kinda great in lots of spots. Just wasn’t sure how hangover stacking worked

[pallid glade]

And Strong Drink is cool if you get it really early

+15-25% damage on everything is never wrong

But if you don't get it early, it's very meh

[devout ether]

Eh, ensuring full health for the final boss is usually worth a boon even late in a run

And especially considering Dio's boons arent super great

So the opportunity cost is usually low if it's offered

[pallid glade]

Yeah, okay, that's fair.

I won't pick the dio tunnel if there's other options, but if it's one of the miniboss tunnels and I end up getting that, I won't be sad

[opal lodge]

i've come around on blackout though

blackout is a very strong boon imo

[turbid needle]

i keep it on God's legacy because I prefer duos and legendary hunting over rare or epic base skills

[sonic mural]

How well does me fists work at 32 heat vs lightning fists

[opal lodge]

both work

depending on your pact

obviously ME fists you're not gonna want to run RI/AP

or CF

none of which you really need to run at 32 anyhow

[turbid needle]

alright artemis be stingy with your boons https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/786737039546384444/unknown.png

[opal lodge]

wtf

is that an

[stone harbor]

depends on the build really, I palyed a chiron demeter game with artic blast today and you don't really need any duo for that

[turbid needle]

I know, but I like collecting the green and legendary boons, it feels like winning the gacha

as well as they add mechanics that are interesting

[stone harbor]

yeah but my point is that it is bad to just leave it in blindly

[turbid needle]

I'm still low heat, so I haven't seen it be a bad strategy yet

and I rarely need the coin to justify selling them

[pine flax]

what hammers pair well with rama?

[stone harbor]

you can absolutely get away with it, but I like to get optimal with easy stuff like that

[rare kindle]

triple shot

[turbid needle]

triple shot is available for rama?

what about frenzy shot?

i would play rama if that was an option

[stone harbor]

it is available accoring to the wiki

[pine flax]

ya it is

triple shot is anyways

[turbid needle]

I hate how slow rama is and I feel like tagging enemies with special is limited and clunky

I don't like rama

but I only played it once so far

i might have gotten a bad build and roll

[stone harbor]

I played rama all of once and only spammed special because I was dumb and had to take explosive shot

don't take explosive shot on rama guys, it literally takes like 3 seconds to charge a shot lol

[turbid needle]

one of my more awkward runs was Eris with damaging volley

[stone harbor]

I never played gilgamesh since splash dash stopped counting for sea storm

I only used it for free dashes

I'm sure you could do some great stuff with it, but using it to get a dash build fully going in tartarus was more fun

btw does hera with double shot trigger the cast twice?

[velvet solstice]

my top prio with rama is relentless volley.

because i always go dio on special.

and aphro on attack.

so i can instantly stack max poison.

chain shot and pointblank are also good.

[hasty echo]

I finally made a vengeance build work today and now it’s all I want to do. Managed to get the Zeus, ares, and Demeter revenge boons with vengeful mood. I just stood around while hades died it was great.

I am a lazy player

[icy kernel]

work smarter, not harder

[turbid needle]

I reported it it just really caught me off guard lmao

[royal helm]

Is that a result of having all but two of her boons?

Or is that even possible?

[turbid needle]

I have no clue

[opal lodge]

usually when you run out of boons the god in question will offer replacements

i've never seen just straight up 2 boon offerings

[turbid needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/786771413926150174/unknown.png

[opal lodge]

yeah thats a major F10 LOL

[turbid needle]

yee

[limber charm]

how many hits per second does blade rift do?

[river wing]

10?

[proven osprey]

Someone told me it was 12 or 13 on bablo's stream today

or yesterday

[river wing]

it should be 10 but..

it'll be 11?

cause it hit once on contact

[proven osprey]

oh maybe it was 12-13

for the 1.2 s duration

[limber charm]

i wish you could test boons on skelly

[versed spoke]

which is better, God's pride or God's legacy?

[versed spoke]

so true my dude

[azure walrus]

Honestly I think Legacy is better IMO but your mileage may vary.

[sonic juniper]

I like pride, I'm salty from my legacy runs that don't get the keystone duos

[pine flax]

whats a good cast build for achilles?

or should i do an attack build instead?

[forest marsh]

I like Zeus or Poseidon cast on Achilles, personally

[pine flax]

what other boons do i want?

are there any duo boons that make it cool

[forest marsh]

If you can get a Blizzard Shot + Mirage Shot build online with Achilles it is a lot of fun

A bit niche, though

[pine flax]

is mirage shot arty?

[forest marsh]

Artemis x Poseidon

[pine flax]

omg this is so fun

lol

o was i supposed to take stygian soul? what do i do on bosses lol..

[forest marsh]

You can take Stygian but you'll be looking for extra casts from Chaos

[weak violet]

Question: can you get the same chaos boon twice? So basically i could get a boon that increases darkness from chaos and i was wondering if im able to find it twice?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes, you can

[weak violet]

Epic

[halcyon solstice]

Any tips or simple builds for a first time Rama run?

[coarse moss]

Rama with Thunder Flourish. get jolted, and anything that upgrades your special. Attack dont really matter

[halcyon solstice]

Ty!

[proven osprey]

what am I reading

Rama has an amazing attack, it deals a ton of damage

go for deadly strike or heartbreak strike

[pine flax]

with hera + aphro do you ever want your arrow to really hit the boss

[coarse moss]

oh yeah, i guess it is 😆 i like to put chill on it makes bosses a bit easier

[proven osprey]

You usually want to dash strike and get the triple shot

although zeus special is indeed good on Rama

[severe gull]

Lucifer triple bomb deflect is insanely strong 😂

[royal helm]

It ticks every .1s, so 10, 11 if you want to be pedantic because the first tick could happen at .01s?

Wait, would this still be 10?

[proven osprey]

yeah

[royal helm]

It is still 10... but yeah, it's kind of a meme of where you start the timer

[proven osprey]

except if it happens at 0.0

[royal helm]

^ yea

[halcyon solstice]

I do have heartbreak strike! :D

All worked out, been cleaning house so fsr

Took a little getting used to the style at first

[opal lodge]

rama attack is much better after 1.0 release

[pine flax]

which cast do you want with aspect of poseidon

zeus?

[turbid needle]

I think Artemis and Poseidon are considered strongest with AoPoseidon.

I'm a big fan of Aphrodite.

[opal lodge]

zeus, arty, poseidon

zeus is really good

just hard to keep track of if you aren't used to zeus cast

phalanx shot is also quite good but takes more investment imo

[pine flax]

what do you want if you go phalanx shot?

[opal lodge]

zeus in pool

[woven delta]

So how exactly am I supposed to use Zeus shield?

[opal lodge]

for LP

anything else is kinda a big 🤷‍♂️

artemis always good

[turbid needle]

Parting Shot is probably pretty decent with LP.

[woven delta]

Like the best idea I had so far is throw shield then use attack to knock enemies into it when it stops

[opal lodge]

aphro/poseidon also seem ok

[woven delta]

Am I doing something wrong or not

[turbid needle]

Less knocking stuff into the Blitz Disc, be fairly aggressive with it.

Call it back frequently.

The only time you should be trying to place it stationary is during boss phases.

Like, Theseus about to Call?

Now's the time to get it on top of him.

[woven delta]

So I should throw it then immeadiately recall it?

[turbid needle]

Otherwise, keep it nearby.

Not necessarily.

But be ready to call it back at moment's notice.

If you get Explosive Return you can mash Special for rather quick explosions.

me calling Than when theseus is about to start phase 2 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/786815002002587718/download_36.jpeg

[woven delta]

So recall it once it stops, then?

[river wing]

You can run around with it chasing you. And easily position enemy between you and income shield.

[turbid needle]

Nah, recall it once nothing is nearby.

[river wing]

Alecto fo2 moves about the same speed chasing you as your shield does.

[turbid needle]

that's a funny mental image

give her a taste of her own medicine

Like, I'll head towards a small group of Louts and Numbskulls and throw the Shield, and whenever I see they're about to die or the Disc is moving out of range I recall it.

It should rarely if ever reach its max range to sit.

[coarse moss]

you can even sit and block while letting the shield do damage

if special makes enemy jolted they kill themselves hitting your wall

[woven delta]

I had Jolted

....TBH I think I'll just go back to Chaos/Beo aspects for shield, Zeus seems like it's too heavy on the micromanaging

[turbid needle]

Zeus is heavy on micromanaging, but wow the results.

[cosmic hornet]

how big is the difference between ares on blitz vs zeus on blitz

not counting ME/legendary

... or a better question would be

is the interval for zeus pulse over 1s

[opal lodge]

zeus shield hits 3 times a second i believe

once per 0.3 seconds

[coarse moss]

zeus special(rare) 45
ares special(rare) 80
zeus hit 3 times in 1 sec = 135
so i guess zeus wins? then theres jolt and double strike

[opal lodge]

yeah it would just depend on ME

if you're not counting ME ares special is one of the worse ones out there

i think Baj said he resets if you gets ares or poseidon special for his runs

[coarse moss]

oops the zues damage is 38 so 3x38 = 114

[river wing]

Zeus stronk

[cosmic hornet]

damn 0.3 is the perfect interval for zeus too

[astral helm]

Just had a run with 4 duos then a run with 5 duos right after. Had 4 before the end of the third area. 😭

Chiron. Apro Attack. Artemis Special. Zeus Cast. W.e special (in last case dino). Athena Call. Having Zues’s duo for god gauge makes me fell invulnerable spamming Athena call

[devout ether]

By design, I'm guessing

[turbid needle]

Demeter or zag fists ?

[cosmic hornet]

dem

[turbid needle]

Best special and attack for dem ?

Is Gilgamesh better then dem?

[cosmic hornet]

dem is generally considered the best fist

zeus attack, aphro special to try your luck at smoldering
ares attack, athena special because ME exists

[turbid needle]

I think I found a bug. I'm not getting healed when I kill with a special with draining cutter despite me hitting with only specials and it started when I took on ares attack.

[cunning urchin]

F10.

[turbid needle]

What's F10?

bug report on pc

It's on switch

[cunning urchin]

Oh. Then #h1-tech-support.

[devout ether]

Do you have the pact on?

[river wing]

maybe they were killed by doom instead.

pact shouldn't affect draining cutter

oh wait. no

switch hasn't recieve the update for pact not affecting. opps

[turbid needle]

I have only EM3 and 6 heat @devout ether

[pallid loom]

side discussion, does Zeus's special boon work with stuff like Chiron bow or Demeter Fists?

or is their a cooldown for registering hits

[pallid glade]

It works, but there is a cooldown. 0.2s per enemy.

It's still pretty decent on Chiron, iirc

[pallid loom]

i've been trying to theorycraft with a very dumb demeter fist combo

get charm on w any boon

apply doom with attack

get Athena special boon

and get the duo where deflects activate doom and doom remains while charmed

to activate it multiple times, but im not sure how that'd interact

[river wing]

it isn't that good on chiron imo. dependin on how they hit. they either proc one or two strikes. it's not really consistent

[pallid loom]

Visually it's interesting because when i tested it every arrow triggers the visual cue?

but only two at best activate dmg

[cosmic hornet]

@pallid loom it works great but the charm is unecessary

[pallid loom]

The idea is to trigger multiple instances of doom in one special

[cosmic hornet]

because you basically always apply doom

[pallid loom]

w the demeter combo

but i've never gotten the right charms dsjdjs

doom wouldn't go away and you special 5x, so you apply doom 5 times on a full uppercut combo

if it functions like that

[cosmic hornet]

oh

[pallid loom]

it might only trigger one

[cosmic hornet]

i see now

it will probably apply 5x

but at diminishing damage

[pallid loom]

yeah, its not fantastic but it would be fun

i wish there was a test build chamber

where you could mix boons/test interactions

[cosmic hornet]

you deal 194.75% doom damage per dem special

wait no

more

eh lets just round it up to 200%

[pallid loom]

apply the 50% delay boon dmg

as well

because its pretty easy to tack on

which is still diminishing iirc?

[cosmic hornet]

no idea

....i feel like this is just a worse ME

[pallid loom]

should be 215% if my mental math is at all correct

ME?

[cosmic hornet]

the standard merciful end build

which is uh

[pallid loom]

oh yeah its not as good

its more for the value of quintuple doom activations

yknow

[cosmic hornet]

ye

fun builds are fun

[pallid loom]

like we've all done chiron chill +4 special w demeter chill burst n stuff

[cosmic hornet]

the amount of highrolls this needs though

[pallid loom]

but sometimes you want something DUMB

oh yeah absolutely

[cosmic hornet]

doom attack, athena special, aphro dash, and two duo boons

lol

[pallid loom]

i still think the most entertaining boon in the game is serrated point on varatha for its insane DPS

and exagraph eris zeus

etc.

i was REALLY surprised to see malphon just doesn't work at all w Zeus

[cosmic hornet]

wait what

malphon and zeus works great

[mighty ermine]

zeus works just fine on malphon

[cosmic hornet]

unless there's a note i'm missing

[pallid loom]

not mechanically

moreso dps wise

[devout ether]

W-what were you expecting?

[mighty ermine]

it's good dps wise though

[devout ether]

Did you expect zeus malphon to do something other than damage?

[cosmic hornet]

isn't it like
the second best attack on malphon?

[devout ether]

Yeah it's nuts

[pallid loom]

its more like exagryph/zeus was absolutely bonkers

[mighty ermine]

barring heavy knuckle stuff yeah zeus is up there for fists

[pallid loom]

yall got any weird but effective builds?

i look online but i love seeing interesting setups

[cosmic hornet]

retrash did a 45 heat blade dash build the other day

[pallid loom]

oh neat

is it using the double dash strike boon from daedalus?

[cosmic hornet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/783566043825307648/unknown.png

[pallid loom]

thats an absolutely wild build

i love it

[opal lodge]

i dont know if i can in good faith recommend that to people lol

not to be that meme but it takes a very high IQ to use blade dash

[river wing]

what. I think blade dash is just universally awesome 😄

[opal lodge]

i think all defensive dashes can be difficult and unintuitive to use at first

by defensive i mean that they create effects where you dash from rather than during or at the end of your dash

[fading pecan]

which is better with maxed Aspect of Demeter: Rush kick (flying kick that deals 40 base damage twice) or Flying cutter (hold special for longer range and up to 100% base damage)?

Also my other option is breaching cross which I usually always pick because “what armor?” but the other two seem like they have great potential and bosses aren’t armored anyways

[cosmic hornet]

breaching cross imo

[turbid needle]

im personally a big rush kick fan

[frail schooner]

superboss summons have hella armor

[turbid needle]

but breaching cross is broken

[cosmic hornet]

i don't like flying cutter on demeter

[opal lodge]

breaching cross is just the #1 hammer on almost any fist aspect

[void fjord]

whats your special boon?

[opal lodge]

anything that strips armor is always good because then fists very easily stunlock

[turbid needle]

yep

[cosmic hornet]

because
a: i ate the buff on dash special (can't be charged)
b: the charge is kinda unwieldy

[fading pecan]

Yeah you’re right, nothing beats Breaching Cross xD And I’m in EM4 so its even more valuable

Special boon is Athena with Ares attack

[void fjord]

ah then i really suggest breaching cross

[turbid needle]

I wonder why tisiphone feels like she has the least hp out of the furies when she actually has the most

[void fjord]

cause she has only 3 phases

[cosmic hornet]

this has no space to move around

[void fjord]

others have 4

[turbid needle]

yeah I thought that

[fading pecan]

When you’re right, you’re right haha

[turbid needle]

my thought process was
summons have armor → reminded of someone missing dire snakestone for a prophecy in another channel → dire snakestone has a ton of armor → wondering why armor takes so much longer to deplete than regular hp → what if bosses had armor → boss hp → tisiphone has the most hp of the furies

[void fjord]

lmao

[turbid needle]

the inner machinations of my mind are an enigma

[void fjord]

aint everyones

[opal lodge]

trying to follow that was an adventure

also the main reason is that bosses have an obnoxious amount of armor compared to HP

the giant rat has 1600 HP

but 5500 armor

it's absurd

that fella is so goshdarn tanky

[void fjord]

thats why armor breaking hammers are really useful late game

[opal lodge]

yup

[void fjord]

however you cld always just throw urself at them till they die

like boonless runs

[turbid needle]

if I was gonna do a boonless hestia run I would want piercing shot and targeting system

[opal lodge]

not ricochet?

[turbid needle]

idk I just like targeting system

[void fjord]

ricochet is better on hestia cause you just kepp reloading

so targeting system is not utilized at all

but ricochet will affect the first shot

[solid grail]

Hi, I was wondering if the Twin Shot hammer affects the cast loaded attacks of the Aspect of Hera? I would test it myself but I never seem to get twin shot while using Hera

[pallid glade]

No, it doesn't

You just get the upgraded bow shots, the casts work as if you shot once

(I've never seen what happens should one of the two shots not travel as far as the other, mind. Dunno if it's like "cast is always on the left arrow" or something^^)

[velvet solstice]

what do you build on arthurs?

[cosmic hornet]

aphro/artemis attack is the core

[cloud vault]

Any %increase or crit attack is a good place to start

And aphro special is great imo

[cosmic hornet]

ye

if you run artemis attack you probably want aphro dash for heart rend

if you run aphro attack any zeus for smoldering would be great

[cloud vault]

Am really liking Lucifer with cold attack, Zeus Special and Dio cast

And Hunter dash hestia

[sullen valley]

I just wanna say I was browsing Twitter and found a guy who beat up the final boss with 4 duos, including Ice Wine, Scintillating Feast, and Lightning Rod, and Cold Fusion

Oh and 4th Shield

[proven osprey]

Wow

Nice duos to have

[granite lava]

use codex menu mod

same, use codex menu

[idle grove]

3rd time against EM4 boss, 3 fails. It's very strange, I feel like the builds that I usually use are very weak against him compared to before. Does he have more health than the normal version? (beside the 3rd life bar of course)

I used the guan yu spear with like 250% damage on special, plus some chaos bon on special, but I felt it was still super weak

I'll go back to the trusted zeus build with the gun then

[zenith orchid]

Guan Yu Special spam in general falls off just because of how one dimensional it is. If you don’t have crits to really scale it then even more so

[proven osprey]

GY special build must use charged skewer

charged skewer and a special boon just clear any run

[idle grove]

Yeah I wasn't lucky to get charged skewer unfortunately

I think I'll try with the gun special that hurts you but gives 300% damage

I did a run once with that, each special was doing 1000+ damage

[olive spruce]

i suggest cluster rocket bombs instead

[idle grove]

I did it!! Yeah!

I did use hazard bomb, plus aphrodite on the special. It was hard but I got him!

[robust anchor]

nice :)

[cloud vault]

Hazard bomb also increases the aoe IIRC

And falls slower?

I only had it once

[idle grove]

yes indeed

much larger aoe but slower

Do you guys know if the double nova upgrade on sword still remove the knockback if I have poseidon on the special?

don't want to kill my build if it does indeed remove it

[zenith orchid]

probably not?

[solid cairn]

doesn't

[idle grove]

ok I'm gonna take it

thanks

[cloud oracle]

Hey can anyone suggest some good builds for each weapon?

[cloud vault]

Chiron: aphro/dio

Demeter fist: Athena / artemis

Lucifer: demeter / Zeus, dio cast

[exotic abyss]

artemis is good on everything

[cloud vault]

Eris: sea storm lul

Nemesis: aphro/Artemis or artemis/Aphro

Achilles: crush shot

Zeus shield: Zeus Special, whatever

[cloud oracle]

Doesnt chiron need artemis special?

[smoky sinew]

it dosent need it its just the best choice

artemis/aphro attack aspect of Hestia

and just do atk reload atk reload

take aoe for attacks or special from hammers and you are good

[final sundial]

How much move speed would you need to outlast Asterius's charge without dashing?

just a random question that came to my mind

[smoky sinew]

maybe Hermes know the answer to that

[coarse moss]

chill him and use arthur special

[half crater]

on FO0 all you need is hyper sprint

[turbid needle]

man. I seriously suck at EM Asterius

[empty rose]

The weapon guides on youtube are so lame. All their aspects are already unlocked. People who watch a guide normally have none or very few aspects enabled.

[half crater]

use shield -> farm titan blood -> unlock eris -> become a god

^the only real weapon guide

[empty rose]

what's eris?

[half crater]

one of the rail aspects

it was nerfed recently but it’s still stupid good

[empty rose]

OK. At least you remind me to stick to one weapon to farm. I'm playing whatever weapon it gives extra night gem now, thinking to get good on everything, but I end up not being able to beat the final boss without god mode

[half crater]

do whatever’s most fun tbh

but yeah if you want to farm titan blood for aspect unlocks specifically, spending a bunch of time with one weapon so you can get consistent wins with it can help a lot with that

[empty rose]

Yeah thought playing every weapon well is fun but ended up very frustrated....

I enabled one heat (limited time). Last game played bow without much good boons and was beaten by the first boss because time was up...

[turbid needle]

Anyone else feel like Blown Kiss messes with Crush Shot's ability to hit multiple targets?

Well, now it's cooperating.

[pseudo stream]

how does Hera work with Demeter cast?

[turbid needle]

Laser fires forwards.

It's pretty clunky by itself, but actually kinda devastating with Frozen Embrace.

[pseudo stream]

which is frozen embrace?

cast chills?

[turbid needle]

Nah, you can get that from Glacial Glare, one of Demeter's tier 2 boons.

Frozen Embrace is Aphro Duo, Cast targets Zag, lasts 4 seconds longer (9 seconds by default, before GG), +30% damage.

Hera puts the crystal either on top of something or just barely past them from Zag's perspective, so they get lit with a very powerful laser.

[toxic warren]

OK, the Aspect of Arthur w/ Artemis' attack is straight up incredible and nearly unstoppable!

[devout ether]

Oh yeah

Remember to get Heart Rend for extra chonky crits

[velvet solstice]

how damage reduction works?

im at 69% reduction now with aphro build.

what if i get same boons with arthurs sword how much can i get with aura?

[devout ether]

I believe it is multiplicative

[hexed grotto]

Does anyone know if Dio hangover scales with damage bonuses? Like from eris rail for example

[devout ether]

Only Eris affects things that arent explicitly a percentage number, pretty much.

So something that makes you deal +20% attack damage wont scale with Zeus attack, or Ares Attack, or Dio Attack, etc

[hexed grotto]

I assume something like sweet surrender also has no affect then

I know sweet surrender and maim increases companion damage so I'm not sure about Dio's hangover dmg

[devout ether]

I'm not terribly certain about Sweet Surrender, but I'd wager it does increase all damage

[hexed grotto]

that would seem to make sense

[finite adder]

what is a good boon to put on the Zagreus spear special?

[devout ether]

Pretty much anything other than Dio I guess

[finite adder]

Ares?

[devout ether]

Sure

[finite adder]

it just applies doom

[fair plinth]

"That Heart-Seeking Bow you wield. It is nothing but a tool for cowards, boy."

[finite adder]

no damage bonus i guess

[fair plinth]

Oof Hades

[devout ether]

"just" applying doom 😄

[fair plinth]

why you gotta call me out like that

[devout ether]

Doom deals a lot of damage, dude

[finite adder]

im not saying its bad lol

im saying that it doesnt boost the base damage or on hit at all

[devout ether]

Boons that increase your base damage arent thaaat good on Spear, since its base damage is so low

[finite adder]

seems like its a good tempo for doom too

bc you dont want to be hitting to fast for doom procs right

[devout ether]

Dont be blinded by the big number on boons

Think about what is ACTUALLY dealing damage

[hexed grotto]

@finite adder if you get merciful end doom builds are really fast for speedruns

[finite adder]

i like the posideon attack on the spear

bc i like the knockback

is that a bad build?

[hexed grotto]

for a casual run I don't think there's a such thing as a "bad" build, you can generally win with anything pretty much

[devout ether]

Poseidon isnt great, typically, because pushing enemies away means you take more time actually chasing them to finish them off

[finite adder]

im still pretty new to the game

im on like my 30th run and have one clear

[devout ether]

But as zentheris says, you seem to be too new to worry about "good" builds or builds at all

Just play the game and have a good time

[finite adder]

well i kinda want to try to get to the point where im more consistely winning

im not super concerned with speed running

[devout ether]

If you want to get good, then you have to learn to dodge and avoid damage

[hexed grotto]

if you like poseidon, use poseidon, if you find that for that specific weapon/aspect poseidon isn't working then try something else. It's all part of the learning process

[finite adder]

but just being able to consistently win

i feel like Posideon is good for non-boss encounters

[devout ether]

Once you can survive, you can then worry about DEALING enough damage

[hexed grotto]

what's the weapon/aspect you feel the most comfortable with rn?

or confident I should say

[finite adder]

i mean i feel like the shield is the easiest bc instead of dodging boss mechanics you can simply block them

but the one i like the most is the spear with the Zag aspect

i feel like it is decent in all situations

so i like it

[static karma]

I like tidal dash for Styx specifically but divine dash is safer, if you don’t need protection from divine dash tidal dash is great

[finite adder]

divine is athena?

[static karma]

Tidal dash is probably my favorite Poseidon boon

Yeah

[finite adder]

yeah

that one is great but i rarely get it lol

tidal is awesome

and i seem to get that one more frequently

i rarely see athena boons

[hexed grotto]

if you're struggling with surviving athena dash might be something to look into

[devout ether]

Equip her keepsake and force her to show up

Taking Athena's Dash and Call will definitely make you live longer

[opal lodge]

hate to burst your bubble but zag spear might be only universally agreed upon "bad" weapon, though that doesn't matter too much if youre just going for clears

[finite adder]

hahahaha ive heard that people dont like it lol

[devout ether]

Zag Sword is pretty far down the list too

[finite adder]

but it seems like thats more for speedrunning stuff too

[devout ether]

For a newbie all weapons are fine though

[opal lodge]

yeah its quite uncommon that people are fans of zag spear haha

[hexed grotto]

it's not that it's "bad" it's just useless if you aren't doing a special build

[opal lodge]

agreed with queen

well

funny thing is

[devout ether]

The thing is spear is low on the DPS in general, which might impact new players as well

[finite adder]

i love the Ares call

[opal lodge]

both speedrunning and high heat the zag spear "method" is to just hope for flurry jab

you dont really use the special at all

[devout ether]

Did you mean: Serrated Edge

[opal lodge]

which i find hilarious

[finite adder]

is the flury jab the one that replaces the charge?

[opal lodge]

yes

flurry jab >>>>> serrated imo

and its not close

[finite adder]

having to stand there is useless loll

[opal lodge]

though it is ultimately player preference

[hexed grotto]

I find flurry jab to be more fun but idk if I can say one is better than the other

depends on the build I guess

[opal lodge]

flurry jab feels strictly better on zag

i think its more debatable on achilles

but again player pref and all that

edited because dumb

[solid cairn]

but zag spear doesn't benefit flurry jab at all

achilles does at least

honestly I wish they kept zag spear the way it was for a short time

when it had the same stats as new zag shield

although lower numbers for obvious reasons

[opal lodge]

how does zag spear not benefit from flurry jab

[solid cairn]

no I mean

[opal lodge]

it benefits from flurry jab because it can get flurry jab

[solid cairn]

the aspect specifically does not synergize with flurry jab

ok this is hard to explain

[opal lodge]

what would you have people run, vicious skewer?

[solid cairn]

like achilles and hades can make flurry jab do more damage

zag spear does nothing to buff flurry jab

[opal lodge]

well hades cant get flurry jab

[solid cairn]

ok well

whatever

achilles can make it do more damage

[opal lodge]

ok i wasnt saying zag spear > achilles if thats what youre taking issue w

im saying zag spear flurry > zag spear serrated

while it may be less clear cut on achilles

[solid cairn]

oh

[pseudo stream]

any particularly cool Arthur builds?

[solid cairn]

all of them.

except one

[opal lodge]

if you take double edge may your run be cursed

you'll have damage

but at what cost

[finite adder]

whats arthur?

[devout ether]

Dont worry about it

[solid cairn]

joy

pure bliss

[finite adder]

is there something that forces a deadleus hammer?

[solid cairn]

no

[finite adder]

like there is the god boons

damn

[opal lodge]

you will always get 2 hammers in a run

[solid cairn]

but you are basically guaranteed one in tartarus

[opal lodge]

or you'll be offered 2

[solid cairn]

unless you actively avoid them

[devout ether]

I mean, you can skip 'em

[opal lodge]

corrected 😅

[solid cairn]

but honestly even if you dont want a hammer you should take it because in elysium it will clutter your room rewards

[devout ether]

Also, I dont know if two hammers are a certainty, but the game does try its best

[opal lodge]

im fairly sure if you actively avoid hammers you get one in a styx tunnel

dont know if it's been confirmed in the code

[devout ether]

There is a chance for that, yes

[opal lodge]

but both that and hermes feel like relative certainty

[solid cairn]

I have the dink sound effect embedded in my brain

[devout ether]

I've had runs where I only get offered a single Hermes or hammer before

[opal lodge]

only offered huh

[devout ether]

Or at least, that's how I remember it

[turbid needle]

https://streamable.com/hi5jsj

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Blade Dash. The use is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of dash strike spam most of the dps will go over a typic

[solid cairn]

Hades: If I get double edge, the video ends

the video: 23 hours

[finite adder]

"a very high iq" lol

[opal lodge]

...misty are you dash striking

[finite adder]

how should i decide between a pom and a new boon

[opal lodge]

um

[finite adder]

if i like all my current boons go pom?

[opal lodge]

depends on so many factors

how many poms you have, what the new boon opens up, etc.

[solid cairn]

guys the key to getting a big channel

[turbid needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/787041485958021180/2020-12-11_133458_Hades.png

[solid cairn]

just do dumb "if I x the video ends"

easy money

ewwwww ddash strike arthurrrrr

nvm blade dash

[turbid needle]

dash strike arthur mmm

[solid cairn]

your have been absolved of sin

[opal lodge]

misty youve fallen

[proven osprey]

Thanks I needed that kind of advice

[opal lodge]

dash strike arthur is a cursed build

that never shouldve seen the light of day

[solid cairn]

but anyone who takes blade dash isn't as cursed

they are actually

[opal lodge]

fair

[solid cairn]

so cursed

[opal lodge]

offsetting penalties?

[solid cairn]

it goes around

it's like ghandi in civ

when he is so non aggressive he becomes hyper aggro and nukes everyone

[proven osprey]

The nuke guy?

[solid cairn]

yeah

[proven osprey]

Yeah

[turbid needle]

i never thought id see mahatma gandhi referred to as "the nuke guy"

[solid cairn]

ok misty "sword licker"

[proven osprey]

Sorry dude

It's facts

[solid cairn]

why do you lick swords huh

[turbid needle]

cant help it

[fair plinth]

aphro attack, heroic artemis special + heart rend + 2 chaos special boons + consecutive barrage

chiron bow, you nasty

cleared EM4 without using a single DD

[raven granite]

I don't have any Companions yet. Which one would you suggest going for first, gamers?

[devout ether]

Bouldy, maybe?

[opal lodge]

boulder knows all

[devout ether]

Or Meg if you can aim good

[opal lodge]

rolling the competition

bouldy probably accelerates your meta progression the most

[raven granite]

That's Shady, right?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[finite adder]

whats the best aspect of Ageis?

[opal lodge]

depends what your goal is

all of them are fairly good at different things

[finite adder]

what is the zeus aspect good for?

[devout ether]

Roleplaying beyblade

[opal lodge]

it's really good for high heat

very solid weapon if you understand it but it works pretty weirdly so it takes some adjustment

[finite adder]

gotcha

what boons should i be looking for with the zeus aspect?

[devout ether]

Surprisingly, Zeus special works well

[opal lodge]

if youre going for merciful end, ares/athena on special/attack

[devout ether]

Athena is also great, you create a Nope Zone

[opal lodge]

if not, yeah zeus special works

so does artemis special

[finite adder]

whats a merciful end lol

[opal lodge]

ares athena duo boon

one of the better duos in the game

but hard to setup

basically all your deflecting moves will automatically trigger doom

[weak violet]

Yo does Hunter Dash also work on dash upper fists?

[devout ether]

I think it does

[weak violet]

Hm, welp ill see

Im trying to do a “Yoyo” build thats basically poseidon special Talos that Haelian created and it looks fun

[opal lodge]

it does

same with chaos dash strike boons

[weak violet]

Huh, cuz i just rerolled it and i basically got a better version of hunter dash lol

[finite adder]

whats a good build for the bow with the hera aspect?

[pseudo stream]

I just tried aphrodite cast and it was fun

[pallid glade]

I always enjoy the Dio cast

With Zeus or Demeter Duo (optionally both^^)

[finite adder]

so when it fires the gods casts

will it fire slowly

[pallid glade]

Nah, it'll fire all of them pretty instantly

which is why Dio is so fun - it scales well, so you can get a lot of damage out of it

[finite adder]

gotcha

ill give that a go

think it would be any good with the Poseidon cast?

[pseudo stream]

yeah

also partly depends what level it is

(the bow)

[turbid needle]

yeah

[opal lodge]

poseidon cast is one of my favorites

[finite adder]

like how much titans blood ive put into the hera aspect you mean?

[opal lodge]

except in asphodel

[finite adder]

it seems like the bow is going to be ass vs Theseus

any tips for that fight?

[opal lodge]

bows tend to have a hard time with shields in general

he will have periods where he walks away from you

[finite adder]

also what is a good boon for the bow special

[opal lodge]

dont bother powershotting, just load all the casts and blast him

[finite adder]

gotcha

i have the upgrade where i cant powershot rn anyway

like the rapid fire upgrade

[charred moss]

My go to Hera build is Scintilating feast with Static Discharge and Double Strike. If I get Demeter call I can sometimes swing Cold Fusion or Ice Wine.

[charred moss]

Hera or bow in general? Hera I like Thunder Flourish. Chiron is good with Deadly Flourish.

[vivid comet]

Hey guys I been playing a bit of hades today. What weapons should I try out?

[hasty echo]

What do you have unlocked?

I'm a huge fan of the stick and move stile of Chiron Bow but just finished my first (minor spoilers) ||beowulf shield run|| and had a lot of fun using it with aphro/demeter casts.

[finite adder]

do people like dark forsight or olympian favour better?

[vivid comet]

I just unlock the Shield

I am still in the early stages. There alot of things I need to collect.

[sinful apex]

anyone have any heat distribution/build ideas for a chiron 32 heat clear?

been getting dumped on for a while

[turbid needle]

is there anything in the final battle that is considered "trap" damage?

[sinful apex]

the green pillar things that pull u in count i think

[turbid needle]

what about the skull novas?

[sinful apex]

iirc those are just normal

[finite adder]

is demeter's call just ass?

[royal helm]

Yes

It's very low damage, due to a poor tick rate, (.25s)

But it's kind of nice as a survivability call... since it controls stuff

-40% speed or more with killing freeze

Honestly... they should probably just increase the tick rate slightly... and Artic Chill clearing your stacks is ... a little annoying

Arctic Blast (mb)

[hasty echo]

The shield was the first weapon that really clicked for me. You can try some builds focusing on the special applying hangover or doom.

[vivid comet]

Thank you. I will give it a try.

Now I am just thinking of captain America shield move

:)

[spiral tree]

isnt chiron better with dio flourish than aph?

[royal helm]

Kind of a toss up, really

Chiron gets a lot of value with all the duo possibilities... but the dio flourish doesn't get more value past the 5th arrow until you get the Aphrodite/Dio duo

And by proxy, you're devaluing things like Relentless Volley

And the dream combo of Relentless Volley + Concentrated Volley is better with other flourishes

But that's highroll dream

[fleet pollen]

My favorite bow is dio + Demeter + Zeus bow

Have icewine cast with the the festive fog causes lightning

[royal helm]

On Hera?

I was kind of doing a run similar that on Hera on heat 32 but lost it

[fleet pollen]

Yeah

I aim for decay and jolted added on too it

[solid grail]

Hey everyone. So I was just looking for some recommendations for aspect of Posidon builds. I know that zeus cast works well but just looking for some interesting suggestions that people have found fun/effective

[balmy portal]

poseidon dash + watery explosion. Bonuses if using gilgamesh and you pick up extra dashes from hermes.

[sonic mural]

i think he means Poseidon sword

[balmy portal]

oh

well

nevermind then.

I like dio cast + dem duo quite a lot for cast builds

good damage, aoe, casts fast with the duo

[turbid needle]

ice wine is sick

i really like flood shot with poseidon sword

good for both crowds and bosses

get arty in so you have mirage shot and exit wounds

[broken hatch]

god i love the ignus eden with frost strike and arctic blast more than anything

[hushed sleet]

is there any weapons that are considered rlly good or rlly bad i should know?

been thinking the sheild is rlly good lately but idk

using the zeus one i think its called

[broken hatch]

i think the consensus on the rail is that its really good

[sonic mural]

the zagreus aspects are a bit worse but everything works up to medium-high difficulty

[hushed sleet]

i also havent tried all the builds of all the weapons either, im just up to the styx labrynth now

[spiral tree]

all shield aspects are great

[opal quarry]

i feel like the game is pretty well balanced between op stuff if you roll the right boons versus more consistent stuff -- i will say a lot depends on your skills and playstyle -- at first i thought cursed sword with the lifesteal was completely broken and OP, and i thought the corcoran bow was trash (although i havent cleared a full run yet with anything) but later on i started forcing myself to try other weapons and playstyles and i found myself doing surprisingly well with weapons and combos i didnt think could be good when i started e

[woven delta]

So I was just thinking of something during a run I had recently

What kind of build really benefits the most from Sea Storm?

Like in terms of both damage focus (attack, special, or cast) and weapon aspects

[sonic mural]

Eris

Hidden rail super soaker

[turbid needle]

Eris more like Erith

[pine flax]

for aspect of zeus going ME

i want doom special and deflect attack?

or opposite

[cosmic torrent]

Just a little question, does equipping the pierced butterfly or hermes keepsake, getting bonuses from it the equipping something else let you keep those buffs you earned?

[rare kindle]

No

[final sundial]

Alright, so i fought against Extreme Hades and i almost got him, reached third resurrection and didn't got much far from there. Wasn't expecting urn healing at all and the cerberus summon caught me off guard. So i have a few questions since i want a rematch

Which boons you recommend me if i want to fight him with the Chaos Shield (would ask aid but i assume poseidon's is the one?)? And how do i dodge the Cerberus attack?

[tough pebble]

i'm fairly sure you can dodge cerberus by going down the very bottom right corner of the map, and for the chaos shield i would always recommend going zeus on the special and maybe poseidon on the attack, from there get the double lightning and jolted stuff for zues and the ruptured thing for poseidon

does anyone have any suggestions for the best cast for hera bow?

[final sundial]

Dunno if it's the best, but hunting blade rifts with hera bow let me did mad damage to hades.

[tough pebble]

hmm i actually never thought of that

[final sundial]

oh yeah, i forgot to ask about the cast, which one is the most recommended against EM Hades?

[edgy steeple]

Stygian Soul: Ares, Artemis
Artemis is the ceaper one here while Ares may need to invest on +duration & Legendary stacking damage

Infernal Soul: Demeter
Well, need rather heavy investment with Artemis Legend, Demeter Cast +Duration, Artemis - Poseidon duo tho

[edgy steeple]

I think that Pure Zeus is better than Poseidon - Zeus

[edgy steeple]

One thing I can think of is this:

Zeus special doesn't proc multiple times with Bow specials

meanwhile with Sea Storm it can proc multiple times

[forest marsh]

Fight Charon? That's a paddlin'

[royal helm]

paddlin the school canoe?

[tough pebble]

oh my god, thank you @final sundial the seeking blade rift is amazing

[final sundial]

you're welcome

[edgy steeple]

back when I first playing, Legit thought that Cursed Slash + Athena's Attack can turn me into Braindead Tank lol

[royal helm]

it almost can

get that plume going as well

[final sundial]

how do you fight charon?

[edgy steeple]

emphasize on "braindead" lol. Still need to dodge here and there

[royal helm]

His oar attack is the most dangerous... if you hug behind him... you will always be missed by it

The projectiles are dangerous if you hug his back though...

So there's kind of a sweet spot?

[edgy steeple]

If you have the patience and not running TD (Tight Deadline). 4th shield is best approach

[final sundial]

i actually meant how you get to fight with charon

[royal helm]

Oh, it's random

It seems like ... it's like... less than 1/5 chance or so in the halfway shops

[final sundial]

wait, he'll just decides he wants to whoop me anytime?

[edgy steeple]

did you mean the prequisites?

[royal helm]

You will only ever encounter him in the half way shops

And there's likely some story progression required to fight him

Nah, there will be a bag of money

In his halfway shop. You interact with it, fight begins

[final sundial]

oh, the borrow one?

[royal helm]

Yes

[final sundial]

saw it before, didn't took it because didn't needed the money

[royal helm]

You get a discount card as well, for -20% off purchases

You do fight him in Erebus, yes

[balmy portal]

Athena: "I knew there was a possibility that you would side against me..."
Me: "I always side against you because you're the easiest. Easy prediction."

[final sundial]

You see, she's precaucious, she knows you'll not be able to get out of hell if she sends forth all her wrath, so she makes it easy for you, she's the goddess of wisdom after all.

Then there's Demeter...

[balmy portal]

I find Aphro worse

Demeter is ... awkward, but tends to not drop the attacks right on me

yeah

[deep salmon]

is parting shot really incompatible with beowulf casts

[turbid needle]

What is required to trigger a Charon fight option. I haven't been given an option in five runs

[balmy portal]

visit the optional shops

if it's a shop that can spawn it, you'll see a caged off area with a space

the ones immediately before the floor boss can't spawn it

[turbid needle]

Oh sweet merciful NeptunePoseidon Aspect of Zeus can Backstab.

Yup.

[spiral tree]

hmm

aph special seems better than dio on chiron

[woven delta]

Though if you get their Duo, Aphrodite works better on attack

Since it inflicts the Weak needed to stack Hangover more (and coincidentally it increases the max possible Hangover stacks you can have on an enemy to 8, which happens to be the amount of shots fired by a maxed Chiron bow)

[dry jay]

heyo guys, ive just found my new FAVORITE build and id like feedback on what i can do to increase its usability! i took the twin fists zag aspect and lambent plume. got to a total of 47.4% dodge without hermes boon, though i did try for it. even got his legendary cast boon. but i took rare swift strike or 20% att speed and lightning strike + support fire and the epic pressure points. i was hitting like a maching gun (kinda hard to see the screen at times lol) i had dash strike and abyssal lunge so i could dodge over and over while striking for 150% bonus damage and just dashed circles around enemies. it was nuts! im thinking i should replace dash strike with athena dash so i can negate some of my non dodge hits. opinions!? im LOVING the build

[surreal ledge]

Hey so how do you people do a run with the shield?

Im having quite some problems with it

[turbid needle]

I call it the frisbee run

[surreal ledge]

So that multiple throw aspect

[woven delta]

Chaos

[surreal ledge]

I barely managed 1 run and it took me like 30-35mins

[turbid needle]

My fav is the hidden one, but I liked Zagreus' aspect too. The one I don't like is Zeus'

[woven delta]

Chaos and Hidden are both fun, Zeus is interesting but also very micro-managey to the point of being an annoyance, and Zag aspect is just kind of there

[surreal ledge]

Hmm

[turbid needle]

Zeus is interesting but also very micro-managey to the point of being an annoyance
Which sums up Zeus

[surreal ledge]

Need uhhh titanblood to unlock the beowolf if Im correct

[woven delta]

Not just that

[surreal ledge]

Gotta do the fates for easy blood

[turbid needle]

Well first you have to get told the magic words by i think it was ||Chaos||

[surreal ledge]

Already did the stuff

Just need the blood

The only words that are left are from asterius for my guantlets

[woven delta]

Anyways, for Chaos shield I'd prioritize boons that directly increase your special's base damage

So basically Zeus, Dio, and Ares

[surreal ledge]

K

[woven delta]

I prefer Zeus myself in that regard

[surreal ledge]

No artemis?

[woven delta]

Artemis boons work best on abilities that have high base damage by default, which shield special really isn't

[turbid needle]

Yeah, Zeus' special boons are how I like to do it. Also I like Dedalus' hammer that makes your shield bounce against more enemies. Pretty useless against bosses, but in normal rooms it's a slaughter

[surreal ledge]

That arrow boon might be helpful

But thank

[woven delta]

So on Chaos special it's not that great

[surreal ledge]

Ill try it out

[woven delta]

On Beowulf special though, it's great

[surreal ledge]

Later today or I dunno

Whats beowulf special?

[woven delta]

Heavy shield throw

[surreal ledge]

Huh

Simpler than I thought

Also zeus shield was the one I used for my run

Maybe that was my problem

[turbid needle]

I'm sure Zeus' can be great if you learn how to use it properly but honestly how slow the special was just frustrated me to no end

[woven delta]

^ This, pretty much

I've heard it can be good, it's just kind of a pain to use until you get there

[coarse moss]

my shield chaos aspect is only lvl1 so im not sure about it yet, but im loving zeus aspect

[woven delta]

Chaos really shines more when you get to higher levels

I've heard Zeus boon work best on Zeus shield but that's just me

[coarse moss]

the throw is slow, but i just stand near enemy, throw it at melee range then recall it after like 3 ticks of lightning. very consistent hits

[woven delta]

it didn't help me all that much when I tried using that aspect the other day but that's probably more my own incompetence and being really used to normal shield throws than anything

[dry jay]

is arthur the highest hitting weapon? i wanna do a crit run

[woven delta]

That and Rama

[coarse moss]

zeus special is stronger than doom. 3 bolts in 1 second > 1 doom in 1 second

add jolted and double strike on zeus, crazy dps

you could stand in the blitz disc and block

blitz is clunky if you think of it as ranged weapon, but if you throw it in melee it melts things

[opal lodge]

ares special is only better if you're also going for merciful end

on its own it's pretty underwhelming

[coarse moss]

since normal attack is seldom used on aspect of zeus, put doom there is pretty good

i like chill too, enemy stay in disc easier

[near schooner]

does splitting bolt (Zeus' legendary) apply to sea storm (Zeus-Poseidon duo)?

the boon description is kinda unclear. it says it applies to "lightning boons"

[opal lodge]

yes it does

[nova shale]

So, what works best with aspect of poseidon sword?

[cosmic hornet]

zeus for rooms/general, artemis for bosses i believe

[nova shale]

I had a decent build where I ran athena cast, not sure if that was a fluke though

[opal lodge]

poseidon's kind of a healthy medium for bossing/room clear

flood shot i mean

phalanx shot is nice

very safe

good dmg

zeus is probably head and shoulders above the rest for general room clear though

[nova shale]

Maybe I just don't like crit because it's too unreliable/swingy

[opal lodge]

10% on crit is also really pitiful but arty cast poseidon sword is still one of my favs

[nova shale]

But yeah I think I started the run with zeus, switched to phalanx shot in a misguided attempt to get the duo for it, and didn't actually get that duo

[coarse moss]

zeus cast is comfy run most rooms and try for exit wounds after

[nova shale]

Is exit wounds only really viable with poseidon sword?

[opal lodge]

nah

it's one of the prereqs for fully loaded so it's gonna be good on any cast build that can lodge

also the damage per dislodge is pretty large

100 base at common iirc

[nova shale]

Thing is it takes like 15 seconds for bloodstones to drop on their own

So for most builds that's only DPS you're seeing on bosses

[coarse moss]

they will be lodged either way

[opal lodge]

thats true crusher

either way you want 2/3 of the prereqs if you're going for fully loaded

like i wouldnt roll over exit wounds on achilles/hera for example

[nova shale]

How likely is it to get fully loaded after meeting pre-reqs?