h1-builds-and-combat

[drowsy vigil]

Oh, they are

[unkempt pagoda]

spoilers are allowed here

[drowsy vigil]

Literally says so at the top

Lucy is really pretty tho

[turbid needle]

I've never really been able to make Attack-focused builds work on Eris, they're either Special builds ('cause Rocket Bomb is nutty) or it's Dionysus or Zeus.

Never done Heartbreak or Deadly Strike. Well, I may have run Demeter once, but they still work better on Lucifer which can get respectable damage on the laser if you can sustain a target.

[weak violet]

Rocket Bomb + cluster bomb = epic

If it exists

[river wing]

possibly the highest damage in the game

[green lotus]

Is there a good build for ||gilgamesh|| that uses Dionysus summon?

[river wing]

i mean... dio call is always good damage

+25% extra works well with it.

not sure what you're looking for.

just use it 1 charge at a time without greater call

[green lotus]

Ty

[pallid glade]

Hallelujia flurry jab, finally xD

10th or so run with specifically looking for it

[river wing]

nice

stronk

[thick valve]

is the dash strike a specific attack or any attack that is used while dashing?

[pallid glade]

sometimes, the rng is just the rudeNG after all

[river wing]

specific attack

[pallid glade]

most weapons it's only the attack while dashing

only the fists can do dash-special, anyway, but that's not a dash-strike

flurry jab really is stronk

nice

[solid cairn]

flurry jab is so good even when dash striking

[thick valve]

what would u guys say is the strongest dash for sword hidden aspect?

[solid cairn]

wdym

[unkempt pagoda]

divine

[solid cairn]

like dash boon?

[thick valve]

yes dash boon

[unkempt pagoda]

but that's just like, always

[solid cairn]

nobody mention the abomination that is that arthur build

[pallid glade]

Hunter Dash is nice, Divine is less useful than with other weapons

[river wing]

lmao

[thick valve]

is divine athena?

[river wing]

blade dash best dash UwU

[unkempt pagoda]

[pallid glade]

yup

[thick valve]

i kinda came to the same conclusion myself so nice to see someone who agrees ^^

[pallid glade]

It's true - given sword 4's special, there's much less of a need for the deflect

it's still good but not as good as with others

[river wing]

i mean... divine dash is always gonna be up there no matter the weapon

hunter dash... cough

[pallid glade]

Yeah, not disagreeing

[solid cairn]

aphro dash can be good since arthur doesn't really have a good way of applying heart rend

[pallid glade]

Hunter Dash helps with a slow weapon, since it makes the dash strike better

hunter dash and the double-hit dash strike on sword 4 is really strong

[solid cairn]

he said the forbidden build

[river wing]

blade dash is the only dash

[pallid glade]

ah. Why is it forbidden?

[solid cairn]

heck dash strike arthur all my homies hate dash strike arthur

[pallid glade]

?

It's a fun build, imo

[river wing]

cause... it's like the most effective way to play the weapon.. but it spoils the entire premise of arthur...

[solid cairn]

in the speedrun community we hate dash strike arthur

[pallid glade]

huh

[solid cairn]

this

[pallid glade]

I dunno, it wasn't my fastest run with it 🤷

still, the recommendation stands for someone who asks about it

[solid cairn]

also I found the dash strikes on it to be pretty awkward to use

[pallid glade]

aphro and dio dash can be nice if you're looking for privileged status, too

[river wing]

triple poke strong

[pallid glade]

aphro is better due to heart rend

[weak violet]

Me and my homies use divine attack

Beowulf fans vs Hera enjoyers

[solid cairn]

I am a big beowulf fan

just be aware once you start using stygian soul beowulf with dionysus cast, the second you switch to infernal with aphro cast you will be called a traitor and face ridicule

[river wing]

aphro ftw

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite is the best.

[solid cairn]

the only time I use aphro beo is in speedrun races where I can't reset until an extra cast

hera is cool, I'm just not good at any bow

[cunning urchin]

Then you should do only races with Beowulf.

[solid cairn]

?

[cunning urchin]

If that's the only time you use Passion Flare, then that's the only thing you should do with Beowulf.

[solid cairn]

I don't think you understand

[sage carbon]

lol

[solid cairn]

in normal runs you can just reset until good rng, but in races you only have one try

[sage carbon]

i'm becoming an aphro believer

[solid cairn]

and stygian beo basically needs an extra cast

so it's not a good idea to risk it

[cunning urchin]

I understand.

[sage carbon]

from what i've gathered nyaa is a big aphro fan

[cunning urchin]

The biggest.

[solid cairn]

that is an understatement

[sage carbon]

so, she's saying to just speed race to use aphro lmao

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[solid cairn]

I will not succumb to infernal beo propaganda

[river wing]

i really don't like going in relying on chancing upon a +cast from chaos

[solid cairn]

stygian is more fun to me so I deal with it

[river wing]

not like aphro isn't perfectly serviceable :B

[sage carbon]

i've started aphro and the options you have are really good

[thick valve]

what is beo?

[solid cairn]

stygian beo is a very high roll combination

[weak violet]

Beowulf

Hidden aspect of Aegis

[river wing]

fun random beo fact: Extra damage comes from hitting when there's a cast loaded
Extra aoe comes from having loaded cast between 2 bull rush.

[sage carbon]

literary classic

[solid cairn]

but when it works it's amazing

[river wing]

So you can have +100% without extra aoe.
And extra aoe without +100%

idk why you want that. but there's your random fact

[thick valve]

it should be the gauntlets since beo is famous for beating up a monster with his hands

[solid cairn]

meh I'm not complaining

[thick valve]

is there any way to get rid of daedalus upgrades? (sorry if i misspelled that)

[balmy portal]

only the anvil that charon sometimes offers in styx

and then it's random which it takes, and you get two others 😛

[thick valve]

ok thanks

[river wing]

what hammer do you want to rid yourself of D:

[thick valve]

cursed slash on excalibur

[balmy portal]

I can see it

[thick valve]

got it from anvil 😢

[balmy portal]

yeah that's why I don't pick anvil often

it usually makes things worse

[weak violet]

Honestly tho

[thick valve]

well cursed slash was the only bad thing i could get xD

[balmy portal]

that's fair

you won the lottery 😛

[thick valve]

thanks xD

still got some 200 hp for hades though, not all to bad

[balmy portal]

yikes you should be fine

[olive spruce]

cursed slash on arthur is pretty good IMO

[balmy portal]

it is?

it swings so sloooow

[olive spruce]

it's not ideal

but you get the extra 20(?) health from the aspect

[balmy portal]

50 base; so 30 🙂

it's mostly just a health penalty with very minor gain, though

[olive spruce]

no, it cuts your health by 60% so I think it's 20

[balmy portal]

since it doesn't work on your dash attack

hmm

you're right if it's a 60% hit

[solid cairn]

cursed slash on arthur isn't the worst thing ever

[olive spruce]

I like arthur because I've been able to play it like I want to play the sword: big chunky hits

[balmy portal]

yeah

arthur is good for that

[olive spruce]

for things like that cursed slash is fine

not super amazing, but fine

[solid cairn]

arthur is my favorite non-speedrunning aspect

[fair terrace]

hi guys

[balmy portal]

Cursed slash is only not the worst on arthur because most sword builds are casting builds 😛 But it really doesn't fit well with arthur's playstyle

[olive spruce]

I find myself really liking the hidden fist aspect too

[solid cairn]

what

only poseidon uses casting builds lol

[olive spruce]

I did a run with heroic swift strike

[balmy portal]

yeah

you just don't use sword otherwise >.>

[solid cairn]

smh

[pine flax]

smh

[solid cairn]

nemesis is a more than viable weapon

until like really high heat

[balmy portal]

lol fair

[solid cairn]

and zag sword is... zag sword

[pine flax]

does shield ever stop being good at high heat btw?

[river wing]

big damage nem

[olive spruce]

I find non-arthur sword really hard to play

[solid cairn]

no

[pine flax]

im gonna guess no??

sick

ok

[river wing]

beo stops being good

[pine flax]

im a shield stan but only at 12 heat

[river wing]

once you're forced to take RI3

[solid cairn]

I did 45 heat beo

[river wing]

which is like.. almost 50

[pine flax]

what's ri

[cosmic hornet]

the first 57 heat is done with zeus shield so...

[solid cairn]

most people won't do anything above 45

[olive spruce]

routine inspection

[solid cairn]

zeus and zag shield are the best for high heat now I think

[river wing]

chaos sad

[pine flax]

is that the sac boon at end of a region one?

[balmy portal]

most people won't do even 32 😛

[olive spruce]

why not chaos?

[pine flax]

chaos dont give dmg

is my guess

[solid cairn]

chaos isn't bad for high heat by any means

but the nerfs to how the shields fire hurt it

[pine flax]

did all bonus shields fire in the same direction before?

omg that would have been great

[cunning urchin]

In a star pattern.

[pine flax]

oh ok i see

[solid cairn]

ok so it used to be a shotgun like it is now

but then they changed it to star pattern

[river wing]

D: i was about to get a time pb of sub11 on gilga, but i threw dds.

[solid cairn]

where it was pretty op

now it's back to shotgun

[river wing]

artemis gilga seems pretty decent for going fast.

[olive spruce]

do people prefer artemis over high % like aphrodite?

[solid cairn]

truth be told I don't really know why people pick zeus over it

[olive spruce]

my thinking is that it's better to consistently deal high damage than low damage with small probability of super high damage

[solid cairn]

artemis attack and special is almost certainly more damage

[cosmic hornet]

if you're just going for damage artemis is better than aphro

since most of the time you need the damage on bosses

[solid cairn]

but on nemesis and zag bow the numbers are closer due to the innate crit

but as you get like chaos dash strike boons and stuff the difference becomes even less significant

so I think artemis attack is still better

[cosmic hornet]

wait doesn't chaos dash strike actually skew the favor to artemis boons?

[balmy portal]

Hello tiny vermin

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike and Flourish are ahead until you add other factors like t2 crit boons, boons from Master Chaos, Hunter Dash, etc.

[olive spruce]

that makes more sense

I usually like going for aphrodite

but it seems like most people favour artemis

[cunning urchin]

But that's for theoretical DPS. If Heartbreak Strike always takes 2 hits to kill while Deadly Strike takes two hits to kill most of the time and 1 hit some of the time, then Deadly Strike is stronger.

If Heartbreak Strike always needs 1 hit to kill while Deadly Strike needs 2 hits most of the time and 1 hit some of the time, then Heartbreak Strike is clearly better.

[solid cairn]

let's just leave it at it being a preference thing

[cosmic hornet]

yee

[balmy portal]

reliable damage versus more bursty

sometimes heartbreak would only need 1 hit to kill and non-crit deadly strikes wouldn't kill

so it can go both ways

[cosmic hornet]

nah, the real question is do you like aphro or arty more

[balmy portal]

I'm so sad I always have to piss arty off in trials because hers is so much easier to deal with than aphro's

[cunning urchin]

In most scenarios at heats that most people play, so like 0–20, Deadly Strike or Flourish will come out ahead in actual DPS because you'll get those t2 crit boons etc. very easily.

[cosmic hornet]

...also, weak is great
and with aphro you have great duo with zeus and... a duo with poseidon

[cunning urchin]

Yes, everyone should pick the Eternal Rose for every run.

[cosmic hornet]

nah, i suck at dodging
i'm liking athena start now

and pray i got either aphro or arte down the line

[balmy portal]

and a terrible duo with demeter!

[cosmic hornet]

not on 45 TD3 obviously because not having attack is aaaaa

[trim shard]

trying beowulf for the first time, what keepsakes/boons should I go for?

[cunning urchin]

Cold Embrace is fun and effective.

@trim shard Eternal Rose, Infernal Soul, get Passion Flare.

[trim shard]

ay ay will do cap

[cunning urchin]

I like to go for Lord Zeus and Smoldering Air after that.

[trim shard]

absolutely

so whats this do exactly I put my cast into my rush

[balmy portal]

it fires when you strike

[trim shard]

oh I can put three in

[balmy portal]

yeah

big burst

[trim shard]

bigggg

[balmy portal]

and no normal cast time 🙂

[trim shard]

very cool

[balmy portal]

related to a run I just did; is it just me or is Razor Shoals pretty meh?

it's not even per knockback on bosses that move constantly because I just keep refreshing it

[trim shard]

yeah ive never enjoyed it

[river wing]

it's okay. the damage on something like em3 theseus is pretty nice

[balmy portal]

just to plink Theseus then ignore him, I guess

but it seems pretty forgettable otherwise, and even there it's only ~300 damage

which isn't nothing but isn't wow great either

(given how long you have to wait for it to apply)

[river wing]

~300?

ah you mean if 3 seconds of 20 ticks

[balmy portal]

yeah

there's just a lot of epic boons I'd rather have from poseidon than razor shoals

...I just realized it doesn't say how long it lasts

this wiki thing says:

Ruptured, which rapidly deals damage to enemies as they move, dealing more damage the faster they move
Is that accurate?

seems like it might be out of date

[turbid needle]

when you hover over razor shoals there should be a lil box that pops up on the right

iirc

[balmy portal]

ah; well, my run with it is over. It certainly didn't seem to last very long.

Certainly wore off before things made it out of festive fog >.> In hindsight, that was probably a bad combination to run.

[turbid needle]

poseidon dio was some of the most fun ive had recently

[balmy portal]

It's fun, it's just weak?

if it did like

half damage to non-moving targets

then it would be way more reliable

[turbid needle]

world splitter tempest strike

yeet stick

[balmy portal]

rocket shotgun tempest flourish was my best yeet stick

[turbid needle]

also exclusive access is fun

[balmy portal]

yes 😄

I had that

it did make my chaos boon rarity boost worthless though

[turbid needle]

and I just love poseidon

hes not meta but he makes me smile

[balmy portal]

pff meta

meta is just for pushing the limits 😛

[turbid needle]

meta is 4 nerds

[balmy portal]

well

as with most things, the meta focuses on super specializing

which means only the most effective and most stackable things are going to show up in it

(with a smattering of utilities/flexibility where there isn't more you can pile on)

[turbid needle]

kinda wish it was a lil easier to make weird builds that work

but maybe im looking in the wrong places

[balmy portal]

see: My previous arguments about balance and how I want everything to be effective

that would allow way more weird builds if things weren't totally outclassed for what they do 😛

still, Hades is overall way better for weird builds and flexibility than any other roguelite I've played

[cunning urchin]

Weird builds that work for what?

I think you can run pretty much anything at 32 and still win consistently.

[balmy portal]

I don't understand why Dio requires three people to be drunk to get the damage bonus though

like

...they die before I can keep them drunk, yo

[turbid needle]

just weird builds that arent a slog

[balmy portal]

get a third guy drunk and the first guy dies right after

let alone boss fights where there aren't even three enemies reliably 😛

grumble grumble

[cunning urchin]

Bad Influence is probably one of the best t2 boons in the game.

[weak violet]

how to use super soaker

[cunning urchin]

Get Sea Storm.

[turbid needle]

💡: Poseidon sord with tempest strike, drunken flourish, arty cast

bad influence, exclusive access, mirage shot

gonna try that out after class

[balmy portal]

pew

[balmy portal]

I guessssss; only for trash clearing though

[turbid needle]

which is 90% of the run

[balmy portal]

and you need a way to apply drunk that isn't losing even more damage than bad influence provides

well

if you have additional enemies heat it would get better, yeah.

on runs without additional enemies there's an awful lot of time with less than 3 enemies even spawned

[turbid needle]

it doesn't have to work in every single room to be good

[balmy portal]

no, but without heat it doesn't really work on the bosses which is a strike against it, and it doesn't work on most minibosses, and it doesn't work on your alphas...

so yeah; it does get better with heat. That's fair for it.

it's just that given drunk doesn't align very well with most weapons in the first place because you'd rather have +% damage, I feel like bad influence isn't in an ideal place

[turbid needle]

put that bad boy on ur special

[balmy portal]

time spent activating the special is time I could be spending using my attack 😛

[turbid needle]

maybe it's because I play sord but im specialing constantly

rama special would be literally perfect for bad influence

[balmy portal]

yes

though just dropping zeus on it also works pretty well

guess it depends who you feel like forcing

or happen to get

since rama also likes heart rend for its chunky attacks

[turbid needle]

Zeus special on rama was so funny I could p much clear rooms with just that

[balmy portal]

exactly

so if you want to use bad influence, you end up needing two boons (dio special + bad influence) and then you usually kill at least one of the drunk targets on your first shot, after which it doesn't work anymore

it's just so conditional I find it failing to work almost everywhere

[turbid needle]

rama is tag everything then start blasting

[balmy portal]

yeah

after you blast a couple times, the drunk wears off.

the mark lasts much longer than the drunk

[turbid needle]

and u have less enemies to kill

[balmy portal]

or

blast with zeus and the little things are already dead 😛

[turbid needle]

Omae wa mou shindeiru

[balmy portal]

I guess that's generally my problem with hangover; depending on what you're doing with it, it's almost always just outclassed by either doom or lightning

it would be nice to have more weird builds that could really use it 😄

[turbid needle]

how would u go about buffing/changing it

[balmy portal]

Probably base stacks to 8, base duration to 6 seconds, slightly lower damage

[turbid needle]

oh yeah more stacks would help

[balmy portal]

if it's going to be a multi-hit stacker it should be more reasonable to use with the strong multi-hit weapons

instead of just capping and whoops you're wasting it now

[turbid needle]

5 is pretty low

I def don't want it on the main attack I'm gonna b using

[balmy portal]

or

if it's capped it slowly gains tick damage each strike, like how doom can do with an added t2

actually though, I was thinking enemies that are drunk dealing reduced damage would be a nice utility buff to it

[turbid needle]

if you increase the cap you'd have to adjust the arty/dio duo accordingly

[balmy portal]

so its focus isn't just damage but it has a built in defensive option; its damage is pretty low so it feels utility to me

[royal arch]

does anyone know how Parting Shot (cast does backstab damage) works together with Ares' blade rift cast?

[opal lodge]

blade rifts always backstab with it

[turbid needle]

deadass

[opal lodge]

yup

its sick

just kind of a lot to setup

youd need four very specific gods in your pool to get max effectiveness

[royal arch]

I already have freezing shot and engulfing vortex, looks quite good

although the rest of my run is kinda random 😄 first time aspect of rama tryout...

[opal lodge]

yeah freezing vortex isnt great tbh haha

hunting blades is the duo for blade rifts

[royal arch]

ah I see yeah that makes sense

sounds even better

[turbid needle]

I wanna make a crit build. Any ideas what damage type should I build around? Doom? Thinking with Rama Bow

Or just pure Artemis /w support fire?

[balmy portal]

artemis and aphro

crit focused build will want the heart rend duo

for that setup I'd get aphro on the special, it won't do much damage itself but will set you up for big attacks

[turbid needle]

hunting blades is stupid good

[halcyon solstice]

When you use Hera bow or Beo shield, do the loaded casts get the benefits you might pick up from a cast boon?

[devout ether]

Of course

That's the entire point of those aspects

[turbid needle]

ye

[opaque hare]

is there any way to get more chances of getting rare boons from hermes

besides the mirror and charon

[devout ether]

Get some Th-- ah, then no

If you mean a keepsake, no.

[turbid needle]

p sure the 500 obol boon in styx has increased rarity

[devout ether]

it does, but I dont think that's what he was asking

[opaque hare]

yea but i want it early

[turbid needle]

yeah

guess not

[halcyon solstice]

Alright that's good to know, I'd been avoiding them because I was afraid to experiment and then not have a cast cast

[opaque hare]

yea i mean just the usual boons but with rarity

[turbid needle]

beo's special works well enough as a ranged option

[opaque hare]

i know the lambent plumb gets you unusual boons

[halcyon solstice]

fair enough ye

[devout ether]

You can unlock a weapon, take it on a run, then choose Give Up and you'll be back at the weapon room with the weapon still locked and your TB refunded

[halcyon solstice]

huh, the more you know

ty!

[turbid needle]

call that test drive

[devout ether]

It just works as a prerequisite, I wouldnt say they're "unusual"

[turbid needle]

tier 2 boonz

[devout ether]

Same with Poseidon's boon serving as a prereq for Huge Catch

[junior sail]

is it generally recommended to take cyclops jerky instead of kiss of styx from patroclus if I'm only missing one death defiance?

[turbid needle]

depends on his room number and if you think you're gonna get a 2 sack

[junior sail]

29, so I have some breathing room

[turbid needle]

if you have the obols, kiss of styx will prob show up in the well between the floors

[devout ether]

Take whatever you think will give you the best chances of winning the run

🤷‍♂️

[junior sail]

lol I mean, duh

@turbid needle yeah I already had to pass up one in a well mid-region

[devout ether]

Then the answer depends on how many DDs you usually spend when playing

[turbid needle]

that's gotta be the worst feeling

[devout ether]

If the answer is "zero" then yeah, take the jerky

[turbid needle]

and zag is like "exactly what I need, except..."

if I'm low on health w 3 DDs i'll take the hydralite it's so nice

if I'm using stubborn defiance I always take the DD one though

[devout ether]

When I was still getting all weapons up to 6-10 heat I found myself skipping Pat entirely in favor of another boon or something

[severe ingot]

why does my god gauge have 5 bars

[devout ether]

Because some Calls have five bars

Specifically, Artemis

[turbid needle]

artemis call can be used at 20%

ye

[pine flax]

Are there any rules to what kind of rooms you get in a run? Or how many rooms till a boss?

[severe ingot]

i allways picked it and never noticed bruh

[devout ether]

Rooms 14, 24, and 36 are boss rooms

(you can technically extend these but dont worry about it)

[turbid needle]

there'll always be a free room before each boss of the first 3 regions

and styx technically

[devout ether]

The room before a boss will always be a shop or free reward

[pine flax]

Ok. So there's no sort of manipulation you can do with room choices is there?

[devout ether]

Not really, no.

[pine flax]

Is there anything that makes it more likely you see an erebus room vs boon room or sth besides the mirror ofc

Cool

got it

[devout ether]

Though if you keep skipping Hammers or Hermes boons the game will try to give them to you again

[pine flax]

Really?

[junior sail]

@devout ether I occasionally burn one in Theseus/Mino fight. But I also like having 2 for Hades just in case

[devout ether]

Erebus are gates, like Chaos, that are completely random

[junior sail]

if I was using bow/rail, I'd pass but I'm using sword

prolly just gonna take the DD and muscle out the lower damage

[turbid needle]

1 dd = 50% of your hp

the cyclops jerky is additive, so it doesn't matter too much if you already have a good build

[junior sail]

gotcha

and as for that athena boon that replenishes one DD, does that add if you're already full? I have an athena chamber up ahead and hoping for that

[pine flax]

is there a way to know if a buff is additive or multiplicative

[turbid needle]

it doesn't add one, just replenishes

[calm saddle]

wiki probably

[turbid needle]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

crits are multiplicative

[devout ether]

They're all additive

[turbid needle]

p much everything else is additive

[devout ether]

Save for crit damage

[pine flax]

ok

[devout ether]

Dodge and damage reduction used to be multiplicative, but I think they're additive now? Not sure

[pine flax]

i thought this was like path of exile where they worded things diff or it was hidden if sth was

[opal lodge]

dodge is additive for sure in 1.0

[opaque hare]

Can you get a duo boon in a pick a god chamber or whatever is called

[opal lodge]

no

[opaque hare]

What is it called btw

[opal lodge]

you can get legendaries though

trial of the gods

[opaque hare]

Ty

[turbid needle]

You can never get a duo boon from a trial room? @opal lodge

[opal lodge]

nope

[turbid needle]

Interesting

Can you get duo boons from stix Charon shop? @opal lodge

[opal lodge]

yeah

[turbid needle]

Last night I got one selection of three separate duo boons at the same time. That was a first for me.

I think it was a reroll from one of the stix rooms

I've gotten that a few times

I love how loud the sparkle/shing sound is when that happens lol

[pine flax]

For zeus aspect what do you do? Ares special?

[midnight sky]

Guys I just got merciful end with the spear, ares special, athena attack, dash and merciful. I'm hitting people with my attack that deflects but it's not applying doom, what am I doing wrong? Aren't my deflect attacks supposed to be applying it?

[pine flax]

you need to apply doom first

and your deflecting attack will instantly proc doom

with bonus damage

Your deflecting moves themselves will not apply doom

[turbid needle]

I'm up to 40 clears, and starting to form some opinions on some things, and definately feel like giving some feedback. Do you know if Super Giant takes feedback, even a little?

[midnight sky]

Ohhhh that's a good thing to know lmao

[pine flax]

It pairs well with dire misfortune if you have it

[midnight sky]

maybe I should try to swap doom to my attack then

[balmy portal]

you have to keep alternating, however you apply it

so special -> attack -> special -> attack can do it

...awkward on spear

getting doom attack would be good to alternate dashing + attacking 🙂

[real kernel]

It feels rather difficult to be flexible with Aegis.

The damage output is just so low without good boons

I've gotten good results with the right Special boons, but the basic Attack is sort of terrible. And Bull Rush feels underwhelming without the right environment.

I'm having a particularly large amount of trouble in Asphodel, where it can easily throw you into lava.

Any advice?

I can reliably beat Asphodel, but not without losing a few charges of Death Defiance.

Unless, as I said, I manage to draw the right Special boons by then

[turbid needle]

bull rush -> dash attack loop seems to do good enough dmg for me

[real kernel]

In that order?

[turbid needle]

ye just loop it

hold attack after the dash attack to charge another bull rush

sudden rush helps a lot, but you cant get that every run

[real kernel]

Sudden Rush?

[turbid needle]

hammer upgrade

[pine flax]

regular shield attack is dinkey

[turbid needle]

makes bull rush charge up super fast

[pine flax]

just charge and dash attack with special in b/w imo

[real kernel]

Yeah, I think my problem is actually using the thing

[pine flax]

what heat are you on?

[real kernel]

0, because I'm new

Only just beat the final boss for the first time

[pine flax]

Oh nice!

[real kernel]

I figure I shouldn't use higher Heat levels until I actually clear out the rewards for lower ones

[pine flax]

Usually I force Ares special onto shield and do what misty said yeah

[real kernel]

Ares is great

[pine flax]

shield charge dash attack special and dash away

[real kernel]

So never use the standard attack?

[pine flax]

LOL basically. But I'm only heat 11

[real kernel]

And do you just have to be very careful in Asphodel?

[pine flax]

Not really? You have a lot of safety if you're charging a lot

[real kernel]

Wait, does the Shield of Chaos block lava?

[pine flax]

LOL no

It does not block ground effects

[turbid needle]

how many times have u visited asphodel

[real kernel]

I'm at the point that I more or less never die in Asphodel

[turbid needle]

ah

[real kernel]

But I haven't used the Shield much, so maybe that was just a bad run

[turbid needle]

i was gonna say its really rough at the start regardless of weapon

[pine flax]

^^^

How much of your mirror do you have unlocked?

[real kernel]

All but the final row

[pine flax]

oh

[turbid needle]

i kinda like shield bc u can pretty much do anything w it and itll work

[real kernel]

That's true of a lot of weapons

It feels less true for the shield

[turbid needle]

its a bit slower than other weapons but i like the versatility

maybe thats just me tho

[real kernel]

Maybe the issue is that Aegis doesn't have as clear a Bastion analogue, so I'm less familiar with it

[weak violet]

Soaker is too much

[turbid needle]

zeus aspect is the best shield aspect if you dont like shield imo

or beo

[real kernel]

I love the Special, at least

[plucky grove]

what to learn first with fists... demeter or gilgamesh 🤔

[turbid needle]

demeter

[weak violet]

Most likely demeter

[turbid needle]

gilg is pretty jank

[weak violet]

I like Talos tho

[plucky grove]

ah cool

demeter it is then

[turbid needle]

sheer yoinkage of talos is so fun

[weak violet]

Especially with a merciful end build

[plucky grove]

i was thinking maybe ares athena?

[turbid needle]

ye that's ares athena

[weak violet]

Yeah, ares athena is a pretty good build for most of the fists

[real kernel]

Athena's pretty good on anything

[turbid needle]

tru

Zeus/Athena attack on fists is best

[weak violet]

Frick heart rend, me and my homies use Ares/Zeus athena

[real kernel]

My first (and so far only) win came with Varatha, the upgrade that allows you to hold Attack, the upgrade that makes Attack a spread of three stabs, and the Athena boon that makes Attack deflect

[plucky grove]

zeus ares athena... sounds fun

going with that

thanks ya'll

[turbid needle]

flurry spear is awesome

[real kernel]

It doesn't seem that great, but that specific combo is hilarious

Because it deflects pretty much everything in a 180º arc forever

[turbid needle]

flurry jab is considered one of the best spear hammers

[weak violet]

Ever just have it feel satisfying when you get your specific boons in tartarus and get the duo right there?

[real kernel]

Are there any builds that make the Spin Attack viable?

[turbid needle]

quick spin hades aspect

my fav spear build

[real kernel]

Doesn't that technically replace Spin Attack?

[rare kindle]

No? It just makes the spin attack faster

[real kernel]

I guess it is mislabeled, then

Your Spin Attack becomes Punishing Sweep.

[rare kindle]

Oh, that just modifies what the spin attack does

but it's still a spin attack

[turbid needle]

speak of the devil https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/785619614360797244/unknown.png

[versed spoke]

Yo. Just killed Hades for the first time using Aspect of Chaos + Aries special.

what's a good build that doesn't rely on gimmicks

[sonic mural]

there are no such things as gimmicks just play whatever u want

some common builds per weapon are:
cursed slash + attack speed zag sword
double edge + arty dash nemesis sword
chiron artemis special + heartrend
demeter fists + zeus attack + art special
archilles spear + zeus cast
eris railgun + zeus attack + poseidon dash

[lime lynx]

What is the most common for Talos?

[turbid needle]

this run was slow as hell but i think its the most fun ive ever had with spear https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/785628785412014101/unknown.png

[half light]

slow

[turbid needle]

felt like every attack had a place in my build

love that

[plucky grove]

demeter fists with 12 heat was such a faceroll, zeus/ares/athena..

[lime lynx]

I always get (roll if I dont) Ares attack, Divine dash, Athena cast/aid and the rest are fillers for Talos and hope for ME. Is that reasonable?

[plucky grove]

lightning attack, revenge build with poseidon dash... so breezy

[turbid needle]

i think that demeter attack is my fav on spear

[sonic mural]

ares special?

[sonic mural]

yah thats a p good build

[lime lynx]

Not sure who is talking to me

[sonic mural]

thats the common speedrun demeter fists build

[sonic mural]

ares special?

[plucky grove]

i think i screwed up a few boons, at one point i had to get ares cast to get the revenge duo because I put Athena on special

then I realized I wasn't going to get rid of lightning attack so merciful end or whatever it's named was not going to happen

[lime lynx]

Also after getting merciful end would be a good idea to drop ares attack and just go with something that's high output?

[sonic mural]

? u need a consistent way to apply doom

and a fast way to proc it

so doom attack - athena dash is ur only option

[opal lodge]

if you drop ares attack then merciful end breaks lol

where is your doom

[plucky grove]

revenge doom, I didn't get merciful

[lime lynx]

Ah ok I think I am misreading what it means then

[turbid needle]

dashing out of spin attack is one of my favorite things in this game https://streamable.com/oh54oo

[sonic mural]

"Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects." - u need to apply doom first, then use an athena dash to insta proc it

[lime lynx]

So when you deflect your doom effects (that were applied through other means) apply immediately and there is a bonus?

Got it

nvm then 😄

then just ares everything and just divine dash would be the most efficient?

[sonic mural]

yah but u have to start athena special

[weak violet]

Might also want athena special

[sonic mural]

cuz thats the requirement for ME

[lime lynx]

yea but can I drop it after I get ME?

[turbid needle]

ye

[lime lynx]

Makes sense

ty all of you

[weak violet]

I usually keep athena special tbh

[sonic mural]

unless you have a better alternative like artemsis u usually dont drop it since athena has the highest base damage

[opal lodge]

if you're a gamer you can drop it and go for artemis yeah

[lime lynx]

Is the Ares/Aphrodite not as good btw?

[opal lodge]

nah aphro has highest raw base i think

curse of longing is fine

[lime lynx]

I think so too

[opal lodge]

it's just not ME

[sonic mural]

it isnt as fast

[lime lynx]

And no I am not a gamer

[opal lodge]

there no point to going for curse of longing when ME and HR exist

[sonic mural]

and successive hit is 50%

[plucky grove]

ok time for an eris run, any suggestions on gods/boons to go for? 13 heat

[weak violet]

zeus attack

[sonic mural]

zeus attack, poseidon dash, aphro/arty special

+poseidon cast => seastorm

[plucky grove]

👌

[sonic mural]

rocket + cluster is op af

[plucky grove]

poseidon cast? so should I go with the mirror that regenerates the cast thingy or with the +2

[sonic mural]

nah its just requirement for seastorm

u dont actually use it except for boss battles at the beginning

[plucky grove]

ah ok

so crossing my fingers for OP rockets

[versed spoke]

what is the most fun build?

[sonic mural]

which weapon?

[turbid needle]

thats pretty subjective

[versed spoke]

in all your opinions, what is the most fun build

[half light]

high crit runs are funny, seeing the numbers just go out of bounds

[weak violet]

I’d say Super Soaker build on Lucifer

[versed spoke]

Okay. What is the most fun build for each weapon.

[turbid needle]

any cast build is most fun build

[sonic mural]

it honestly depends on ur playstyle

like for sword those who like slower heavy weapons, they like hidden sword huge crits

[opal lodge]

dio cast beowulf is my favorite

[sonic mural]

but faster, nemesis crit dash

or shadow slash + regen zag sword

[granite imp]

When do you choose shop vs health vs coin vs pom? Do you shop if you have at least 150 gold for the boon?

[swift ginkgo]

zeus cast build with poseidon aspect is really fun

[sonic mural]

at higher / medium heats with timer u always take free rooms

else coin -> pom -> heart

but it all depends on how confident u are at ur current health level

[swift ginkgo]

for me pom is good only a couple of times

upgrading your lv 9 attack wont change anything

[opal lodge]

i shop if i'm looking for a boon

simple as that

and have obol

[granite imp]

Thx. Sometimes it just seems I don't get the boons I want and I kick myself for skipping shops

[opal lodge]

take shops

theres good stuff there

[sonic mural]

if ur confident u wont lose any health, u still take poms over heart

[turbid needle]

but health gud

[swift ginkgo]

yes of course

[versed spoke]

I haven't used a cast build yet, what's a good cast build?

[swift ginkgo]

dio with hera is always a blast

[turbid needle]

i like arty cast on poseidon sword

[swift ginkgo]

with dio and zeus duo boon

[turbid needle]

get mirage shot and exit wounds

[swift ginkgo]

arty cast always fun yeah

[opal lodge]

ive played this game a lot so i avoid health like the plague but

helth good

mm safe

[swift ginkgo]

yeah same

100-150 is good enough

[versed spoke]

This game is for sure more difficult than Enter the Gungeon.

[turbid needle]

no way am i reviving with 45 health

i would die

i am not gamer

[swift ginkgo]

lmao fair enough

[opal lodge]

ive gone into hades with 95 health before

high confidence gang rise up

[swift ginkgo]

true

i gotta say extreme measures 4 with 150 health is nuts

[turbid needle]

imagine not barely hanging onto your life in every room

[swift ginkgo]

im not that crazy

[turbid needle]

can't relate

[versed spoke]

It was my first time beating hades, but I feel like I was hiding behind my shield.

[swift ginkgo]

hey that is completely fair

[versed spoke]

I got to his second phase once using aspect of eris

but then he kill me

[swift ginkgo]

its okay youll get him next time

[weak violet]

Bruh same, i remember using chaos to get my first run clear

[versed spoke]

I feel like a slut.

[swift ginkgo]

my first win might have been with the spear

or yeah the shield

most likely

[versed spoke]

and most likely, I'll keep putting titan blood into the aspect of chaos, and making it sluttier

[swift ginkgo]

chaos is fun tho so i dont blame you

[versed spoke]

It was fun beating Hades.

[weak violet]

Chaos is epic, especially for a status build

[swift ginkgo]

i cant get a good time with the shield tho

im always slow

[versed spoke]

always

for sure, shield is slow

I want a faster build, but those rats in the final dungeon poison the crap outta me

[swift ginkgo]

oh yeah

[opal lodge]

chaos was my first weapon

[swift ginkgo]

styx is such a pain

[opal lodge]

now i play beowulf because i like going fast on shield

[swift ginkgo]

is beowulf the fastest shield aspect?

[versed spoke]

is that the shield that gives you +dash?

[weak violet]

Only reason i picked aegis as my main at first was only because i recognized it from the percy jackson books

[swift ginkgo]

lel

[versed spoke]

I want aspect of Guan Yu cuz Dynasty warriors

[swift ginkgo]

guan yu is fun fun

big crits with artemis

[opal lodge]

beowulf is probably the fastest shield

[swift ginkgo]

hm i see

i think my pb with the shield is like 14 in game minutes

need to lower it down

[versed spoke]

this server is great, you guys are way helpful

[weak violet]

Bruh i’ve been in this server for more than a week and im already big brain

[versed spoke]

I learned in this channel that you have to dodge without attacking in order to properly avoid damage

I just kept dash attacking all day and was like "why pain?"

[turbid needle]

this build did not go the way I planned but it was stupid fun anyways https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/785641590701555753/unknown.png

if I knew it was gonna be like this I would've picked nemesis

[turbid needle]

was going for this 💀

my wrist hurts from clicking so much

[plucky grove]

so that Eris build you recommended... as faceroll as demeter fists from earlier lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/785642143032410142/Hades_4.png

[opal lodge]

tempest strike 🥴

[still vigil]

I've attempted usin gilga 152 times and out of that, ive only cleared 16 XD

32 heat hurts

[finite socket]

The Cluster Rocket jackpot

Poggers

[zinc robin]

hey, so does anyone have a reason why the boon exclusive access ins't as insanely busted as it seems?

i mean, i know it's a duo boon, so it's hard to get

but still

i just had a super fun run with it and it seems insane

[turbid needle]

it's a nice duo

just sucks when you get it late

i have learned not to take tempest strike on beo

plus dio/pos sorta weird

i don't really care for having both of them in a run unless they just somehow fall into my lap

[zinc robin]

yeah

for me it just happened

[opal lodge]

um

so exclusive access

is a good boon

[zinc robin]

i got the boon midway through elysium

[opal lodge]

but there are just

[zinc robin]

which is pretty late

[opal lodge]

very few builds

[zinc robin]

but i was still happy with it

[opal lodge]

that want poseidon and dio together very early

[zinc robin]

ah

[opal lodge]

which is when EA is good

[zinc robin]

that makes sense

[opal lodge]

aside from beowulf

[zinc robin]

so the boon is really good, but the combo required to get it isn't so great

so it's a trade off?

[opal lodge]

i love exclusive access early on beowulf, especially since I usually run god's legacy

yeah that

[zinc robin]

cool cool

that makes sense

[opal lodge]

the biggest impact with EA

tbh

is with hermes boons

[zinc robin]

thanks for the advice

oh yeah, i saw that

[opal lodge]

if you can get EA before your first and second hermes

it's huge

[zinc robin]

+30% attack speed was really nice

i can imagine

those +3 dodges

etc

[turbid needle]

early exclusive access hermes is stuuupid

[opal lodge]

main thing imo is epic dashes/epic rush delivery

[zinc robin]

one time i was using the hidden aspect of malphon, i forget the name

[opal lodge]

epic rush delivery is 100% extra damage

[zinc robin]

and i got herme's +3 dodges

[opal lodge]

common rush delivery is 50%

[turbid needle]

i really read ea as early access lol

[zinc robin]

and i had so many dodges it was dumb

so fun

oh, also, i noticed after getting ea i got a bunch more duo boons

does it also makes those more common?

[turbid needle]

does explosive fire work w hestia

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[opal lodge]

it doesnt

the way boons are rolled

leg/duo are rolled first, then descending rarity

ea just makes it stop at epic

[eager whale]

does hunter dash affect dash upper on fists?

[opal lodge]

yes

[eager whale]

oooh

[rare kindle]

what about chaos dash strike boons too?

just to cover our bases

[opal lodge]

yup

[steep lark]

Can someone help me understand how hidden shield works because I was assuming it worked like hera bow but it doesn't

[devout ether]

I mean, it kinda does. The thing it does differently is that it has its own set of casts, called Flares

These will detonate a brief moment after you reach the end of a bull rush

[steep lark]

ooooh I didn't realize it was different casts

i grabbed Zeus and it wasn't working the way zeus cast worked so I was confused

Thank you!

[devout ether]

Read the cast boon carefully

[plucky grove]

hey folks, aspect of achilles spear builds? I'm thinking ares/athena?

or poseidon 🤔

[cosmic hornet]

i usually take artemis attack opening

so it doesn't feel horrible in tartarsauce

then i hope i get either ares or dem

if i don't get either i force them in asphodel

[sonic mural]

zeus cast => artemis attack

[silver sky]

trying to get demeter duo boons and many of them require crystal beam on cast

What are some good builds that require crystal beam?

ooo someone said talos to pull enemies into it

[plucky grove]

man I just played the worse build with achilles spear, artemis dash, poseidon special, demeter/dio duo cast, demeter call with decay

it worked but it was horrible

oh and aphro attack

do not recommend

[cosmic hornet]

...wait didn't you play it as a cast weapon?

[plucky grove]

no, I'm supposed to?

hahahah

[cosmic hornet]

yes

lmao

[eager whale]

achilles spear is nuts with cast

very strong

[cosmic hornet]

it works best as a cast/attack hybrid

[plucky grove]

i feel dumb 😄

[cosmic hornet]

but most of your damage will be from cast

yeah

[plucky grove]

but just 12 heat so w/e

[cosmic hornet]

you had a solid cast build actually

[plucky grove]

now I know it can be better

well... i had the regen cast thingy

[cosmic hornet]

ice wine works great with achilles

stygian cast achilles actually works well

but you really want the chaos boon that increase cast stone

[plucky grove]

ahh nice, hadn't thought of that

thanks for all the tips btw

do you know how I can get Rip Current? I've spammed only poseidon runs on low heat trying to get it but it just never happens, same with Winter Harvest for Demeter and Defiance for Chaos

I only have those 3 prophecies incomplete at the moment

do I need to use their aspects and keepsakes or something?

[rare kayak]

rip current needs poseidon call

grab keepsake, call first room then get as many pos boon as you can with persuasion?

winter harvest is the legendary for demeter so you want to take olympian legacy and demeter keepsake

check codex, should have the prerequisites for the demeter legendary there

chaos defiance is basically just grab as many chaos gates as you can and pray

[plucky grove]

trying that, funny enough i'm using poseidon keepsake and only found the initial poseidon boon 😐

[rare kayak]

check wells for ixions

dont forget dark foresight

it gives lots of boons

[plucky grove]

cool, well now I know I'm not missing something specific

thanks

[rare kayak]

can always check codex boon list

[plucky grove]

yeah I have, I just didn't think my RNG was this bad

haha

[rare kayak]

it shows prerequisites for certain boons and will highlight green if you fulfill it

for winter harvest, if youre feeling ballsy you can grab nectar from eurydice or ariadne from wells

i think that increases legendary chance

dont quote me on that though im not sure where i remember that from

have fun with rip current, its an extremely fun boon with a smoldering air build

actually its just an extremely fun boon in general

but yeah for chaos legendary just pray theres not really anything else you can do about it

maybe run fated authority and toss rerolls at it

[plucky grove]

still wearing poseidon's keepsake and haven't seen a boon since the first one.. entering elysium

even got legendary aphro

lol

[rare kindle]

Also hope you don't die before it turns into a boon

[rose sparrow]

my two strategies when playing with the shield and charged shot are:

a) stand in one spot and just keep shooting

b) go absolutely feral with the dash strike

[halcyon solstice]

I'm used to playing very fast with fists, but I'm thinking of trying Arthur sword. Any specific build thats particularly good for it?

[rare kayak]

athena and aphrodite work well with basic attack

athena because big swing, aphrodite because fat percentage bonus and also status curse synergizes very well with arthur’s defensive stuff

can also try an artemis boon since its got crazy base damage so the crit are equally crazy

dont forget dash offsets combo rather than interrupting it

[halcyon solstice]

Oooh i didn't even think of stacking weak with the special! Ty for the advice!

[rare kayak]

dionysus cast is also nice since it slows enemies down in the fog

makes it easier to slap em with the sword

arthur is a really good sword aspect until later where dc destroys it

oh and remember that your special aura disables traps

this includes lava

dont ask me how, magic faerie bs

[main osprey]

huh, I just got two hermes boons in Asphodel two runs in a row

[opaque hare]

Oops

Arthur is crazy with Artemis crits. Huge burst to one shot ur way out

Or when you pick the 5% dmg of your gold

[cosmic hornet]

...that sounds kinda bad
the 5% gold thing

my favorite hammer on arthur is definitely shadow slash

[opaque hare]

Idk I like it. I cleared the run the first time I got it I think I made it to the last fight with 1500 gold or something

But you have to be careful so you don't need to buy heals and ztuffy

Stuff*

[main osprey]

#h1-victory-boasting message
(Nemesis, not Arthur, but shows off just how good Hoarding Slash can be)

definitely hard to avoid buying heals tho xD

[opaque hare]

Damn. That's a lot of coin

[halcyon solstice]

Wait

Hold the phone

The Arthur special disables traps and lava?

Not just reduce them?

[rare kayak]

yeah

[halcyon solstice]

The lava in EM lernie has been the bane of my existence

The other EMs and even lernie aren't thay bad but the darn lava

Ooooohhhhh man

[rare kindle]

I know, asphodel is so tricky because of the lava

[rare kayak]

but the arrow traps/saw traps need the field to be placed on em

not just in the path

[halcyon solstice]

Ikr dys?!

This tip about disabling traps tho

Feels as if I've just been given the keys to the kingdom

[rare kayak]

i dont see it coming up often in asphodel though cuz i just space dashes

just avoid the lava 4head

hoarding slash is a meme hammer

but its fun

[halcyon solstice]

Its hard to avoid lava with fists on em2 lernie T.T

[rare kayak]

because the money damage bonus is flat damage applied after everything else

[halcyon solstice]

Unless I get the range increase hammer

[rare kayak]

im pretty sure

[main osprey]

afaik most hammers apply to your base damage

[rare kayak]

not hoarding though?

[main osprey]

I don't know why it wouldn't, hmm

[rare kayak]

it mightve worked with cruel thrust then hmm

[turbid needle]

Hammers specify if they increase base damage.

[rare kayak]

either that or maybe it mightve been a misread on your damage numbers? since checking thrust damage would come at the end of a three hit combo

where the numbers add up

[main osprey]

no idea, that run was a while back xD

[rare kayak]

but yeah basically the reason why hoarding wouldnt be base damage would probably just be game balance

a decent run can get like 2000 obols by the end which is an extra 100 base damage

which is a lot

admittedly, specials have higher damage additives on boons but thats still like basically firing an extra rocket bomb on every attack

[river wing]

cluster rocket. 400 base damage. 😄

[steep lark]

oh wow I didn't know that hidden sword disabled lava

theres so many neat things in this game I love it so much

[rare kayak]

i didnt either

until i think nyaanyaa mentioned it

[main osprey]

sounds like something she'd do

[rare kayak]

it doesnt neutralise the lava bombs though since those counts as enemy attacks instead of teaps

i think

[main osprey]

keep in mind, it only disables the lava within the radius, not the entire lake

[rare kayak]

i dont use excaliburs aura much because i have room temp iq

[sonic mural]

it neutralizes lava bombs

not poison tho

or vases

[turbid needle]

Cluster Rockets is only 280 base damage.

[halcyon solstice]

it neutralizes lava bombs?

[rare kayak]

poison is an enemy attack

[halcyon solstice]

no wonder everyone talks about how great arthur aspect is

[sonic mural]

ive stood in the lava bombs b4 with aura

no damage done

[halcyon solstice]

to be honest I pretty much just use fists so I haven't done much w the other weapons

[rare kayak]

kinda weird then

[sonic mural]

the 5k crit hits r pretty fun too

i just dont like how clunky the attack feels

[rare kayak]

lava bombs arent traps since theyre not increased by the trap heat in pact

[halcyon solstice]

I can breeze through EM4 14 heat on fists ezpz but I actually lost a 1 heat stygian blade run yesterday

[rare kayak]

but vases are traps since theyre increased by trap heat in pact

[steep lark]

Chiron is my main weapon its the most braindead and fun to me lol

[rare kayak]

in conclusion i have no clue

[halcyon solstice]

I am bad with other weapons

[sonic mural]

dont the lava bombs come from like traps tho

[halcyon solstice]

figured I should try to learn more but didn't expect arthur aspect to be so good

[river wing]

the -30% is addictive

[sonic mural]

like what enemies do lava bombs come from

[halcyon solstice]

the little skeleton thrower guys and also every enemy w the chaos boon condition

[rare kayak]

lernie, that one bp perk

[halcyon solstice]

wait im dumb those are infernal bombs

ur talking about the thingies that put lava on the ground

[rare kayak]

benefits package has a perc which also makes all enemies drop lava bombs

it really sucks

[turbid needle]

Lernie heads.

[rare kayak]

but ifyou stand in that thing with heightened security active it has base lava scaling

[sonic mural]

dunno i know the regular lava bombs that come out of nowhere are nullified by aura

[rare kayak]

aka 1 damage 1 damage

[sonic mural]

and i know lernie head attacks are also nullified

[rare kayak]

those also have base lava scaling with heightened security

instead of 5 damage you take 1

[sonic mural]

so maybe the devs were too lazy to code them as attacks?

[rare kayak]

who knows really

[halcyon solstice]

might just be a bug or intentional so they scale w heightened security

[rare kayak]

either way considering how much youre moving around in em2 lernie the aura wont really do much

[sonic mural]

true lol

[halcyon solstice]

honestly heightened security would be the most gimme heat of all time if it weren't for asphodel

I've been avoiding it solely bc of em2 lernie

[sonic mural]

nah lava is no prob

vases are the real prob

[rare kayak]

this guy has never had dad summon a vase right behind pillars and immediately laser and it shows

[sonic mural]

and the spears in elysium

[halcyon solstice]

I honestly don't have that much trouble w the vases tbh

[sonic mural]

which do 15 base damage twice if u run into them

[halcyon solstice]

unless you mean that they also scale w the heightened security

[rare kayak]

also hs helps in asphodel actually

[halcyon solstice]

oh yeah I guess if you push enemies into lava

[river wing]

150 damage vases loves you

[rare kayak]

kills u faster so u save time exploiting stubborn defiance

[steep lark]

I wish there was a way to set controls per weapon aspect

[halcyon solstice]

I'm not that high heat yet

I'm only on run 40 or 50

[steep lark]

cause I love special on right click on some weapons

[halcyon solstice]

still working through the first 20 heats to get all the bounties

[steep lark]

but cast on right for others'

[sonic mural]

i wish there was a qol to reset heat

[halcyon solstice]

still upgrading mirror, getting all companions, etc

[river wing]

reset heat? what do you mean

[sonic mural]

like instead of having to spam click minus for every single heat

[cosmic hornet]

one button turn off all heat?

yeah

i'd like that

[sonic mural]

when testing out a new weapon or something

[steep lark]

same

[cosmic hornet]

or a way to save your heat settings

[halcyon solstice]

oh yeah lol when I switch off heat to try a new wep I take a picture w my phone

[river wing]

Hmm. that would be cool i guess. it's lots of clicks to get the heat back

[rare kayak]

? just run 58 heat every run lol

[halcyon solstice]

btw dad hammers don't count towards boonless right?

hearing how great arthur aspect is I might try it for my first boonless run, see if I can't get that special dialogue

[opal lodge]

daedalus hammers dont no

[halcyon solstice]

sweet jams

[main osprey]

I keep forgetting that they actually added dialogue for it

I should go back and do some more of those

[rare kayak]

id say excalibur’s probably easiest to do boonless

[steep lark]

does boonless only proc on e4?