instead of for example 55-45 room rewards to meta
#h1-builds-and-combat
junior sail
well I only played for the first time on Tuesday, but this thing feels way more in-depth than Risk of Rain or Dead Cells (and that's a good thing)
so I guess I'll just keep doing resource runs until I have all mirror abilities (and maybe a couple more diamonds)
river wing
i don't think it really is deep.
junior sail
ok, correction, it feels like there are more viable builds than those other games
river wing
yesbutalsono.
turbid needle
hades is much nicer to you than other roguelikes
junior sail
that's true
but I at least feel competent with each of the weapons minus the shield
screw that shield
turbid needle
non-beo shield feels like an enigma to me
teal apex
im the opposite, shield feels easiest to me, while rail is like pulling teeth
turbid needle
jack of several trades, master of none (?)
frail schooner
zeus shield is cool
junior sail
@turbid needle probably yeah haha
frail schooner
it’s like having a summon
junior sail
faves so far are spear and fists, but I haven't unlocked final aspect of anything yet
(only on run 23)
opal lodge
i have played this game a lot but the weapon that still feels the worst to me is either bow or secret spear
bow just feels awful on kbm sometimes
turbid needle
I like it with all the aim assist stuff off
junior sail
yeah not a huge bow fan, but I was able to get up to the Theseus/Mino fight (and promptly died)
opal lodge
yeah misty im trying that a bit more rn
teal apex
charon bow is bearable for me, but not too good as well
junior sail
aim assist 🤮
opal lodge
i like the aim assist for rail and fists, still figuring it out for other weapons
turbid needle
it takes a bit more effort but I like having full control of my attacks
ive said this so many times now lmfao
teal apex
i just suck with no aim assist
dry ember
effort 🤮
opal lodge
not taking it on rail/fists puts you at a very distinct disadvantage when you're going fast
dry ember
I play video game to turn my brain off
opal lodge
well at least rail
dry ember
not to put in effort
opal lodge
maybe not fists
junior sail
🤔 might have to try that
opal lodge
its funny to hear you say that because controller is that but for every weapon
controller aim assist is somethin else
turbid needle
how does rail special work on controller
dry ember
it doesn't
opal lodge
i think it autotargets and you manually adjust it
turbid needle
ic
opal lodge
rail special is one of few advantages kbm has
junior sail
I guess I just played all their other games on kb/m that it feels more natural to me
Hades feels less like a twin-stick and more like Diablo
ok so main take-away from my question is that I just need to grind out the 30 keys and get the final abilities before going full bore speed clears?
river wing
if speedclears are what you want to do? i guess?
there's all the aspect to unlock and play with
it takes quite abit of darkness to max out the last few mirror upgrades tho.
junior sail
yeah, I mean either way I get a little compulsive when it comes to box-checking so I'll be doing the fates prophecies for a little while anyway
turbid needle
Man I'm hating the hidden aspect of the bow. It charges soooo sllooooow
woven delta
But it hits much harder by default
turbid needle
It's too slow
thorny dirge
charges faster with dash-strike
turbid needle
It's slower than Arthur
sullen valley
How's Hestia with Spread Shot?
opal lodge
pretty good
your empowered shot stays the same
so you can just use the spread fire shot to melt little dude
dudes
sullen valley
Hm! Neat
dry ember
How's Hestia with Spread Shot?
it doesn't hurt. just that there are many better options
sullen valley
I feel like it was a mistake to put Damage Control on this
opal lodge
crepes really likes it
yeah crepes has done 56 heat and still didnt turn on damage control
damage control is a misplay haha
dry ember
Hestia on DC is like putting watermelon on a sandwich
Sure you can do it
You shouldn't
sullen valley
Either Spread Shot (for Artemis Hestia) or Triple Bomb (for Aphrodite Special)
opal lodge
i think he likes spread fire but that might just be personal preference
ricochet/piercing are the only two hammers you really care about though
sullen valley
I have a dilemma and require an answer ouq
also I have the explosive shot
I'm gonna assume I should just get Triple Bomb, mostly to deal with Damage Control...
I am extremely afraid.
dry ember
good
sullen valley
I am using Hestia, with Triple Bomb, Poseidon Dash, Aphro call, also Dio Cast, all on EM4 and Damage Control
Welp, I'm onto the second phase with all 3 DDs spent also on 105 HP
sullen valley
aeugh
weak violet
Y’all know a good build for Talos?
sullen valley
Honestly, anything can go well with the main 3 Fist Aspect. Definitely Aphro, Demeter or Poseidon for the Special, though.
cosmic hornet
there are several routes you can take
one is artemis attack and take advantage of the +50% attack multiplied by crit
another is zeus attack and just... do fist things
same for merciful end builds
another route is to go poseidon cast and the duo with ares
tough pebble
hey guys, i'm going for a fists build, what boons would you guys recommend?
just got the first level of the demeter aspect
sullen valley
Question (Using Spear): Swift Strike (Faster Attack) or Second Wind (Move and Dodge% after call)
tough pebble
i was thinking artemis or athena, but suggestions would be appreciated
sullen valley
Using Sigil
tough pebble
i really enjoy using swift strike, but that's just me
sullen valley
Honestly Aphro and Demeter would be good for Demeter Aspect, for the big damage. Artemis also works!
river wing
the most basic and consistent build is just zeus attack for fist.
Good place to start from
sullen valley
(For the Special I'd pick Aphro or Dem)
river wing
Sigil can't really take advantage of second wind.
tough pebble
yeah, i thought about going zeus for the attack, but i've never really been able to get into it before
sullen valley
Uuuughhhh but it's also Epic
Swift Strike is also Epic...
Bluh, might get Swift Strike
river wing
o swift for sure. 30%
woven delta
Is this still on fists or on another weapon?
river wing
spear
weak violet
Well, rn im using zeus attack and poseidon special for Talos rn, also got sea storm as well and is arte dash a good one for fists?
river wing
there's always the question of where your damage is coming from
woven delta
Atermis Dash can be good if you get that hammer upgrade that adds dash strikes to your attack chain
river wing
If you're doing a dash-strike or special build ofc swift won't do that much
(on spear topic)
woven delta
Plus some other dash strike bonuses from Chaos
weak violet
Hm, although i did get breaching cross which is pretty nice
river wing
o. yea that is arguably the best hammer
sullen valley
Achilles + Chain Skewer, Pos or Ares
tough pebble
actually, i think ive got a good idea
river wing
Doom chain skewer is pretty nice
sullen valley
Yeah that sounds about right
tough pebble
i'm thinking demeter main attack and zeus on special, then get the duo that makes jolted not wear off
sullen valley
You know, I've had the idea for a while, but for once I'm gonna actually physically acknowledge the pun that is Poseidon's boons
Splash Damage
pine flax
what are good boons to pair with nemesis besides aphro attack?
weak violet
what are good boons to pair with nemesis besides aphro attack?
Don’t really know much for nemesis, but i guess i would go for an arte attack and try something on special
sullen valley
I uh
wanted more rarity for Curse of Pain
So I did a second reroll and I was forced to take Blade Dash insead.
In my defense, it was baiting me. It was the only boon that I wanted, but also was not Epic.
hyuck
I could go for Eurydice or Demeter/Ares Trial
Uhhhhhhhhscrewit Eurydice
cosmic hornet
what are good boons to pair with nemesis besides aphro attack?
artemis attack, aphro special, fish for duo
turbid needle
any particularly great hammers for zeus shield?
junior sail
acorn or tooth for Styx?
opal lodge
any particularly great hammers for zeus shield?
pulverizing blow goes dummy
river wing
acorn generally
cunning urchin
I've been taking Lucky Tooth more often in Elysium recently but Acorn for the Temple of Styx.
weak violet
there are several routes you can take
one is artemis attack and take advantage o...
Do I try and go for athena dash and ares attack and see how that works?
For the merciful end and try doing either dio or aphro special
cosmic hornet
to go for the combo you need ares attack, athena special, athena dash, and merciful end
weak violet
Ah ok
weak violet
Alrighty, gracias amigo
amber jackal
This was from like a month ago, but for my dps meter mod, it doesn't affect the damage of charmed enemies. That being said, in the dps meter it shows them as doing a buttload. If anything its a visual / calculation bug though, not a gameplay one
tough pebble
ok, i got the build i was really hoping for
zeus boon in final shop came in clutch with the jolt damage and then the last corridor i got a demeter duo boon
opal lodge
ello how did you find that message lmao
tough pebble
exactly the loadout i was hoping for
amber jackal
I had a notification on this channel and I searched if anyone pinged me. And the last time was a month ago and then I noticed that
opal lodge
oh MB
amber jackal
nah you didn't ping me. Still not sure why I had a notification haha
opal lodge
the phantom ping
fleet pollen
Vengeful mood
With
Zeus : when damaged attack + jolted+ storm lightning + splitting bolt
Ares: vengence with curse of longing duo
Athena: holy shield + brilliant riposte
Aphrodite : wave of dispair
weak violet
Lmao i just got divine protection
fleet pollen
I used that on the final sword aspect with its hammer upgrade
weak violet
just got curse of drowning
Also, with the flood shot, turned into curse of drowning, will second wave be good?
Welp, just got merciful end now
opal lodge
it is at least free obols
weak violet
I mean, it can still he quite useful with barrier stuff and artemis
cunning urchin
@amber jackal I pinged you. I think it's me like 90% of the time when somebody pings you in this server. 
#h1-builds-and-combat message
weak violet
there are several routes you can take
one is artemis attack and take advantage o...
Although, how do should i do for the artemis attack part?
opal lodge
what do you mean? you can just do artemis attack aphrodite special
or artemis attack passion dash
weak violet
Epic
magic lynx
hey, does lambent plume's effects stay after it's taken off?
turbid needle
nope
proven osprey
how much dodge do you have?
magic lynx
4% got it at the start of elysium
proven osprey
yeah you want to do your entire run with it
magic lynx
ok
olive spruce
I think extra life is better than 4% dodge
stray olive
I've been using a Zeus heavy Zeus aspect shield build the last couple of runs and I died on 2nd stage hades both times
Got to the final fight with all DDs and good health, but just felt like the build was not great for a mobile boss... Couldn't get many hits with the shield. Any ideas for changes to make? Pretty much got Zeus special, static discharge, and/or high voltage
Couldn't get the legendary or demeter duo I was fishing for on either run
half light
well if you felt like a zeusheavy zeus shield run worked nicely for him maybe focus on getting call up to ultimate for the second stage and try forcing hades to you with bull rush (btw there is a very nifty place in the fight at the bottom middle of the map where you are basically invincible charging up for bull rush) else try forcing him to loop around the stones in the middle of the map, it gets his high mobility confined since the spae behind them isnt that great
stray olive
Okay cool thanks for the ideas
half light
depends on what your personal fave is
or maybe just put one blood in everything and try em out?
not really
pallid glade
Again, very much personal favorites
half light
everything is personal
yeah
like in shield there is not one better than all, each is favorited by some
nope
pallid glade
But Demeter for the fists is popular; ||Rama|| and Hera for the Bow, Achilles for the Spear and Eris for the Rail
Ehh, ||Guan Yu|| is very tricky to learn.
half light
hidden spear is very hit or miss
turbid needle
Wouldn't Chiron be the most popular bow?
pallid glade
Wouldn't Chiron be the most popular bow?
I should probably have left the bow out, like the Sword, they're all good
Shield is imo the worst - no standout aspects, but I dislike them all xD
But apparently people have good success with it, so...
half light
i think the only ones that nobody maxes at the start are zag aspects
since they are just minor upgrades of what you already have
pallid glade
Yeah, those are generally the weakest; Zag bow is pretty good, but otherwise...
turbid needle
you'll get more blood soon enough
half light
yeah
pallid glade
Since it's basically free Arty attack
half light
rail zag is weakest ._.
pallid glade
So you can stack it with something with high +%
half light
oh yeah tru
pallid glade
or with Arty attack for high crit chance^^
half light
makes sense that bow and artemis' crit come hand in hand with titan blood
pallid glade
Yup, very fitting
half light
so aphro + zag bow = chefs kiss?
pallid glade
I think it's a pretty good combo, yeah
half light
sounds logical
pallid glade
Get Arty on the special or cast and Heart Rend...
half light
i still dont like aphro but thats just me
sure thing, have fun
is chaos shield with zeus on special nice or meh 🤔
olive spruce
chaos shield with zeus is pretty good imo
although (again imo) you need a bunch of second-level boons to make it good
just thunder flourish isn't really that helpful
half light
companios?
turbid needle
keepsakes are usually god/god/acorn or spear/acorn
from what i've seen
that's in general
radiant lance
What goes well with Drunken Dash?
Anything from Ares, perhaps?
I like to mix Hangover with Doom
half light
dio-demeter is also an interesting combo
half light
yeah it's really nice, dio cast and then demeter dio duo is fun too
radiant lance
I never really used casts as projectiles tbh
halcyon solstice
Btw just checking but
halcyon solstice
All the percentages are additive except dodge which is multiplicative, right?
Or are there other multiplicative boons/keepsakes etc?
radiant lance
I mean that casts generally don't float my boat for the most part because they require me to aim and all
Artemis cast is good because it seeks enemies
halcyon solstice
I saw someone do a run with over 100% dodge and they still got hit sometime so I assumed it was multiplixative
halcyon solstice
Demeter cast is fun
radiant lance
I rely heavily on dashing
halcyon solstice
Depends if you use controller or mouse and keyboard I think? Not sure
Thats why I really like arty cast tho red
Since I mostly just see cast as a way to apply boiling blood and it auto seeks enemies
radiant lance
Yeah Artemis has a good cast yeah
halcyon solstice
Poseidon cast feels good to hit tho
Those wave effects and the subsequent knockback is v satisfying
halcyon solstice
Btw I've seen mention around of aspect of gilg gloves giving extra dashes (haven't got em yet sadly) but on the wiki it just mentions the maim stuff. Does it actually give dashes?
Oh GAMEPLAY wise probably Demeter Artemis and Athena
But I always love seeing Broseidon and Dionysus bc they're awesome
radiant lance
Right, Chiil, Deflect and seeking
halcyon solstice
Ye
radiant lance
I'm more of a Dio, Ares, Arty gal
halcyon solstice
Usually I run PS and rush 2 statuses tho but I find those 3 very nice w my general style
Usually not all at once tho
For sure for sure
Solid picks
radiant lance
packing in Hangover with Doom and Hazard Bomb on Adamant Rail
Also, I faintly remember lowering the interval of Hangover effect, but I cannot remember what it was that caused it
halcyon solstice
Theres a duo boon that does it i think
radiant lance
Because usually Hangover applies every 0.5s but somehow I had it on 0.35s once
halcyon solstice
I forgot who the other god is tho
pallid glade
Btw I've seen mention around of aspect of gilg gloves giving extra dashes (haven...
yes, it does
halcyon solstice
Ty!
pallid glade
They work slightly differently, I feel, so they're easy to miss
but they are definitely there
halcyon solstice
Yeah the hangover more often at .35 is Curse of Nausra
Its an ares/dio duo boon
You need the attack, special, or dash from dio and the attack, special, or revenge boon on ares to proc getting it
radiant lance
Oh now that makes sense
halcyon solstice
I've been trying to think about duo boons more now
Some of them are really good
radiant lance
Ares matches well with Dio gameplay-wise
halcyon solstice
I liked the demeyer poseidon cast one and of course hunting blades is INSANE
Ye for sure for sure
radiant lance
Both are latency damage based
Which is something that I like because I can deal damage to multiple enemies at once
And then just throw the Adamant Rail special with Hazard Bomb and finish them off all at once
cunning urchin
I saw someone do a run with over 100% dodge and they still got hit sometime so I...
It's additive. Hades's spin attack was impossible to dodge in previous patches, which may have been a bug. It's possible to dodge it now, anyway.
halcyon solstice
Oh crap, that's awesome!
Thinking of trying a meme high dodge build for funsies to see how it goes
proven osprey
!
severe ingot
is it just me or hiden aspect weapons are kinda weak?
is that the point?
specifically shield and spear
half light
shield trades speed for damage; spear is... weird
river wing
spear can be tricky with the hp reduction tho.
half light
yeah and serpent slash takes some time to get used to if you're used to spin attack
severe ingot
also does distant memory range for bonus dmg scale with weapon?
or if u have say the fists its as hard to trigger as with the bow?
river wing
same distance
severe ingot
and the distance is around a whole screen right?
river wing
ehm. just test it out on skelly
opaque hare
is nemesis good?
half light
yes
opaque hare
guess i just feel weird trying the blade after one tricking the bow till 14 heat
sage carbon
you want just dash strike with it pretty much
half light
nemesis likes dash special dash attacks
half light
thrust upgrade? hammer?
opaque hare
yes
sage carbon
double edge is what you want ideally
half light
yeha nah
sage carbon
also, shadow slash does not apply to dash strike
opaque hare
that's weird
sage carbon
yea i was duped lmao
opaque hare
yea im going for double edge, not picking cruel thrust ever again
sage carbon
your flow should be dash strike, dash strike special dash strike etc
opaque hare
hidden sword?
opaque hare
by hidden sword you mean arthur or is it something else
half light
ye
half light
oh true i forgot
always forget which are compatible
really bit me in the butt trying to get all hammers on spear with achilles aspect
i was only missing one incompatible one 😂
river wing
dash-specials are faster, but they are not reliable
eh? they arn't any faster
half light
the incompatibles arent listed anywhere in the codex right?
half light
eh? they arn't any faster
dash-specials can cancel out part of the special animation
making the time in which you can be stunned and kept from doing special shorter
river wing
they still take the same time to come out
half light
i count losing animation seconds as faster personally
the less time to get hit = the better
sage carbon
startup is the same, you can cancel recovery
amber jackal
I don't believe this is the case. I think bright was right that it's 10% across the board. But I haven't explicitly looked into it
zinc robin
do you guys know what the odds are of getting a boon that replaces another?
amber jackal
10%
pine flax
what are good boons for guan yu?
proven osprey
slaps guandao
Charged skewer as hammer. Deadly flourish, Heartbreak strike for Heartrend. Whatever for the rest
faint flax
i like ares' battle rage
proven osprey
You can also take the risky path with serrated point
Divine strike, Heartbreak flourish are solid options too
weary karma
If I take a boon from some god, does that make it more likely to see that God again in the future? It certainly feels that way, but randomness is weird sometimes.
turbid needle
each run has 4 gods + hermes (or more if you use god keepsakes)
taking a boon essentially "locks them in"
opal lodge
you can also have up to 5 without forcing
half light
sometimes the rng may make it feel like that isnt the case tho, mostly the gods that appear in tartarus and asphodel are 100% safe to return again, then again it being based on rng...
opal lodge
in rare cases
but that's why it's important to get 4 gods quickly
even if all 4 might not be ones you want
like on merciful end builds, which want a ton of athena/ares
you just take whatever other two gods you see
because then it's a 50% chance to see ares/athena vs a 25% chance
weary karma
Gotcha. Thanks for explaining
crimson trail
Question: for ||Rama,|| the special is what "marks" people for shared damage. But isn't attack, not special, what inflects shared damage? Why do people recommended skipping attack buffs
I just started using this and like it but feel like I'm optimizing incorrectly, haha
I'm kind of under the impression the loop should be: special to mark, attack/dash to do mass damage. Maybe Ares/Dio on special, idk
pallid glade
It's how I use it
but people like how fast the special is and put something like Dio or Ares on it and let it do all the work
turbid needle
question
do i need to have all conditions turned on to get the "harsh conditions" prophecy?
or do i just.. take em 1 by 1
pallid glade
Take them one by one
turbid needle
because im pretty sure i did hard labor, but it's listed grey
pallid glade
You just need to be affected by them once
turbid needle
huh, guess im bad at dodging
ok then
taking hard labor
scariest one
gotta clear a run with em
yeaaa
about thaat
haha
funni
HL1 basically means u have 83% of ur hp
final sundial
Gonna try Arthur sword but it doesn't looks too promising as of now
final sundial
alrighty, gonna follow your advice
rocky iris
Chose the fire bomb chaos punishment. Little did I know that the pact for upgrading armored enemies makes them spawn "ghost" clones which also fire bomb you on dying.
So much regret...
half light
athena on anything to try to deflect those then o.o
rocky iris
Yep. Going for that now. Tartarus on higher heat is brutal
half light
yeah, the lout's with FO2 and BP2 if they are armored is scary ;-;
rocky iris
The lunging ones and crystals get me :(
Also numbskulls dc2
half light
dc2 is not that much of an issue if you have poseidon on dash i noticed; or if you have spear with serrated point
turbid needle
Not with Hunting Blades.
rocky iris
Anything with rapid small damage instead of slow big
ashen rose
Hello, guys! Anyone recommend a Beowulf and Lucifer build for escaping daddy ? I cannot seem to get anything to work
half light
daddy
turbid needle
Passion and Trippy Flares for Beowulf, use Infernal Soul with Passion Flare and Stygian with Trippy.
opal lodge
lucifer you can just build like eris
turbid needle
And build Lucifer exactly as you'd build E--dammit, Bright.
final sundial
Is Rush Kick good with Demeter?
ashen rose
zeus attack, artemis special
The fave one, gonna give it a shot
turbid needle
Pretty good, Pingo.
final sundial
alrighty, thanks
ashen rose
Passion and Trippy Flares for Beowulf, use Infernal Soul with Passion Flare and ...
Gonna try this one first tho, wish me luck 🥺
turbid needle
Godspeed.
opal lodge
Gonna try this one first tho, wish me luck 🥺
with beowulf you take every chaos gate in sight
half light
<:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>
please dont
ashen rose
please dont
half light
yeah thats me rn too ;-;
turbid needle
I had Artemis attack Zeus special on my Lucifer run lmao
I've used Deadly Strike to beat 32 Heat before, but Zeus is pretty hilariously better.
opal lodge
I had Artemis attack Zeus special on my Lucifer run lmao
🥴
dio attack is also pretty good
dio/art/aphro is very easy syngergy
turbid needle
You can give yourself extremely meaty crits with nothing but good Hangover and Weak applicators and their three Duos.
pine flax
is there a dupo focused build i can try? it's hard to look at all the duos and think of which gods i want to force
duo*
unkempt pagoda
trippy shot + ice wine + scintillating feast, works on any cast aspect but i prefer hera, infernal soul
pine flax
which weapon is hera?
devout ether
Bow
unkempt pagoda
bow
devout ether
The cast bow, specifically
pine flax
ohhh ok sick ya im investing blood into bow to unlock it rn
devout ether
If you want something speedy.... I recommend not-spear weapons
As for spear, mostly Achilles
plucky grove
I just want to get some rewards so I can keep leveling aspects and finish my mirror so I don't have to reset with a key everytime I want to make a change hehe
I plan on rotating weapons based on the 20% darkness buff
so Achilles, any specific gods you recommend?
devout ether
If you want to farm darkness, it's better to repeat heat levels, then
You get quite a bit from bosses that way. No need for heat
cosmic hornet
the way i build achilles is go artemis attack in tartarus and hope i get either dem or ares for the cast
and force them in asphodel if i dont get them
opaque wren
Anyone got a good build for zag fists?
cosmic hornet
zeus attack, bounce lightning, zeus legendary
opaque wren
Oh I like the sound of that, thank you
lime lynx
There is a pinned guide in #h1-for-new-players
I have been mostly playing Talos btw and always go for merciful end (take it with a grain of salt as I am a casual player and am playing at 9 heat). Based on the guide it looks the same could work for Zag aspect.
plucky grove
thank you 🙂
opal lodge
merciful end dem fists is and has always been a classic
any other fists can do the same thing, its just slightly worse
sonic mural
doom attack, athena dash?
proven osprey
Yeah but you have to go for Athena special too for ME
sonic mural
so like an ideal run would be athena special -> merciful end -> sell athena special -> demeter special?
proven osprey
Honestly you don't use special with ME
opal lodge
no
sonic mural
so why does dem fists matter then
opal lodge
start ares attack
sonic mural
if u dont use special
proven osprey
You don't get ME every run
opal lodge
dem fists refers to the aspect
opal lodge
the easy answer is reset if you dont get ME but theres some interesting contingency strats yeah
sonic mural
what are other two pieces?
opal lodge
ME and divine dash
both hopefully acquired at a similar time
if you get ME first your attack pattern on enemies changes to alternating attack special
proven osprey
ME requirements are Ares or Athena attack + Ares or Athena special
ME wants divine dash too
And then no brain needed
opal lodge
if youre offered both after getting ares attack/ath special you always take ME first
opaque wren
zeus attack, bounce lightning, zeus legendary
i Just got a new speed record with this build lol
opal lodge
zeus attack on spear is best if you already have flurry jav
jab
otherwise artemis is usually better
ashen rose
Passion and Trippy Flares for Beowulf, use Infernal Soul with Passion Flare and ...
Ice wine did the trick! Thanks
plucky grove
speedy rail aspect/boons for low heat?
I was thinking Eris or Hestia
with zeus attack
turbid needle
Eris currently has the world record.
magic lynx
how does the cast boons work with beowulf?
left oak
So I'm using Eris with Poseidon on attack, and from him, I have the boons offered: Tempest Flourish, Sweet Nectar, and Second Wave. Which do I take?
left oak
how does the cast boons work with beowulf?
They get fired on impact with a bull rush
cosmic hornet
which biome are you in
left oak
Eh, I grabbed Second Wave. I'm in Elysium at the moment
cosmic hornet
ah ok
left oak
Ngl I'm a little upset the super soaker is actually working
cosmic hornet
how does the cast boons work with beowulf?
at the end of your bullrush one of the two will happen:
dio and ares will cast their cast (fog cloud explosion/spinny blade spin)
the rest will create a radial pulse and instantly pop out your cast stone
with effects you'd expect from their gods
opal lodge
you can either preload the cast with beowulf or buffer the cast during the bull rush
cosmic hornet
you never go for full rush with beo
you just need to end where your enemy is
which most of the time.... is right in your face
weak violet
That’s why imo to mainly look for sudden rush on aspects like Beo
warm snow
you never go for full rush with beo
I just do full rush and ignore the cast. I have +100% dmg just for rushing already
turbid needle
bruh
cosmic hornet
...well... if it works for you good for you
i find it too slow
and i think you need cast to get the +100% damage
magic lynx
the rush takes too long to activate even with aspects
weak violet
When the only duos you need to complete the divine pairing prophecy are all demeter duos 
warm snow
and i think you need cast to get the +100% damage
No no no. You try twice. One with no cast and one with cast. You'll see the area is larger. I mean you get double damage just for rushing.
sonic mural
yah but a good cast deals so much more damage and the rest of beo kit is meh tbh
cosmic hornet
without cast it deals 50, with cast it deals 100... so it needs cast right?
...am i missing something?
warm snow
Meh is right, it's dangerous, you could lose a lot of HP
Yeah
But you don't need to get to the place right before your enemies
I mean cast and rush through them
cosmic hornet
also i booted up and tested it without plugging my controller
damn i think shields works way better on kbm
warm snow
Me too
sonic mural
with dionysus cast u needa get to them
u cant rush past
nor can u rush past with aphro cast
sonic mural
whats the "max dmg" on shield then?
opal lodge
bull rushing from standing attack is a mistake
dash attack into bull rush makes the time to rush less laggy
max dmg on shield?
warm snow
Charged Shot
opal lodge
theres a clip of someone one shotting tiny vermin with beowulf that i can find if need be
warm snow
Yes, it's charged shot
opal lodge
beowulf is the highest potential single target damage in the game
warm snow
Full dmg while standing from far
opal lodge
or has rather
whale
you need casts to make beowulf go fast
to not do so is to ignore something integral to the weapon
opal lodge
hm
sonic mural
then doesnt that negate the cast damage on them
opal lodge
why not just stop at them sire
warm snow
Cast explodes, remember?
sonic mural
like dionysus is a small area
opal lodge
charged shot is good
warm snow
Practice practice practice
cosmic hornet
there's always a moment of
opal lodge
charged shot isnt my top choice for beo on 40+ though
cosmic hornet
"ok, now i rush here so--"
opal lodge
i like the mobility
cosmic hornet
"oh i'm not moving, damn"
grave cloud
How should I be building for the twin fists? What boons should I try for?
Should I be getting Poseidon's special?
bronze marten
Thoughts on privileged status vs family favorite
bronze marten
How should I be building for the twin fists? What boons should I try for?
Maybe not - the fists and Poseidon knock back don’t work well together. You can make it work, but I’d recommend against it. Cast is a great option if available so you have a long range attack
turbid needle
family favorite is better
grave cloud
What would you recommend? Fists are still a confusing weapon to me.
grave cloud
Alright, I'll try and see.
opal lodge
what aspect
grave cloud
Still using the basic one since I'm at low heat and not too invested into the fists.
opal lodge
aight yeah full zeus works
you could also go lambent plume start if youre a relatively fast player and go for greater evasion and second wind from hermes
grave cloud
Alright, thanks for the help.
opal lodge
nice new pfp
turbid needle
thx
opal lodge
and yeah it's possible to hit 100% dodge
with zag fists plume/second wind/greater evasion
epics for both hermes boons puts you at 56, then 71 with zag fists bonus, and you only need 29 from plume to make it happen
cosmic hornet
what's plume's cap
river wing
no cap
turbid needle
48
cosmic hornet
eh
lemme reword
turbid needle
wait hmm
cosmic hornet
assuming you do everything perfectly
turbid needle
I didn't consider free chambers
cosmic hornet
what's your % by the time you reach styx
river wing
36*1.2 = 43.6?
turbid needle
1.2(13+9+11+5)
river wing
you're missing 3 chambers
turbid needle
mandatory free room before bosses
river wing
lets say you rng everything perfectly, and you erebus right before free room
cosmic hornet
so its feasible with two rares huh
opal lodge
i usually hit around 30 something
some rooms are very hard to go fast in depending on heat
turbid needle
I love how Hermes comments if he shows up before a god whose keepsake you have equipped
river wing
good luck getting plume in witch spawning in 5 waves rooms
opal lodge
haha yup
deep salmon
is ice wine having delay on secret shield aspect intended?
river wing
🤷♂️
opal lodge
who knows
all i know is i avoid demeter like the plague with dio cast beo
scint feast still works
sonic mural
What do u take to round out a zeus-demeter-athena demeter fists build?
turbid needle
What are the placements on the rest of the boons?
sonic mural
Zeus attack, demeter special, athena dash
Im in asphodel so usually id bring a god keepsake but i already have my build
turbid needle
If you're not planning on using Sigil, Aphrodite and look for Smouldering Air.
Maybe Flood Shot if you are.
turbid needle
Blizzard Shot/Sea Storm.
turbid needle
Crush Shot.
sonic mural
Heartrend?
turbid needle
Yuh.
sonic mural
K thx
halcyon solstice
Just unlocked it so wanna make sure before taking it into a run- can you not use casts with Beowulf shield?
Like is loading them into bull rush the only option?
turbid needle
yeah
halcyon solstice
Ty
pine flax
for just regular degular fists, should I just spam like uhhh zeus?
turbid needle
Zeus or Athena on attack
pine flax
does the rest matter? lol
final sundial
Which boons go nicely with the aspect of ||Lucifer||
turbid needle
Zeus attack is good on lucy
final sundial
||What exactly happens on EM Theseus & Asterius?||
turbid needle
theseus gets a chariot with miniguns and a rocket launcher
asterius gets some extra stuff idk I killed him too fast
final sundial
Wait
WHAT?
lime lynx
Really? At the 'extremer' measures?
turbid needle
just EM3
turbid needle
it's fun and a bit harder
pine flax
help from other furies
turbid needle
if u have em2 on you've seen em1 furies
turbid needle
each em level enhances a boss and all the ones before it
lime lynx
Same thing?
turbid needle
same thing
turbid needle
the level just adds enhancements for the next boss
final sundial
I'll try to see what EM does to Hades by myself
Even if it obliterates me
turbid needle
ok this is hard to explain lol
opal lodge
em3 asterius becomes a beyblade
turbid needle
oh yeah that
opal lodge
also hits like a truck
teal talon
what about hydra?
turbid needle
the floor is lava
lime lynx
The area is broken down differently
teal talon
are there spots that arent lava?
lime lynx
aka diff layout
lime lynx
hmm always flies?
teal talon
lernie is a bit of an odd nickname
lime lynx
I don't think he's ever flown for me? Maybe I went back to em1, need to check
opal lodge
its short for lernaean bone hydra
turbid needle
I only realized that bc zag says "hydra heads were never meant to fly"
teal talon
yes i know but its kinda odd
lime lynx
em2 is the only one with the 4(?) diff broken down floor right?
lime lynx
Then I might have already played in em3 but died before the duo fight
oh 3 platforms
nvm
lime lynx
And em2 hydra always flies?
turbid needle
screw that lmao
halcyon solstice
it's honestly not too different or much more difficult than the usual theseus asterius fight, though one time theseus was doing his mortar run and asterius was spinning right in the center and that was rough x_x
turbid needle
jacks me up
halcyon solstice
ye the asterius spin is actually pre scary for the solo asterius fight
bc that room is a lot smaller
cosmic hornet
artemis
ideally artemis attack, aphro special, duo
substitute for specials could be dio, zeus, or ares
river wing
without duo, zeus special is pretty good too.
final sundial
Damn, EM Elysium was nuts
Didn't died once against them which is great but Theseus on chariot with minigun and grenades was hella funny
turbid needle
Is dragon rush bonus damage from leveling up the aspect a flat bonus to the attack or a bonus to cast damage?
lime lynx
What are the best Talos boons? I have been going Ares attack, divine dash and various athena like cast to fish for duo (ME), is this reasonable?
zenith orchid
Talos with Poseidon special is pretty funny
lime lynx
I have tried that 😄
But now I just want to get to 16 heat to unlock useless trinket #2
I am wondering what special would be best with ME
Athena?
turbid needle
divine dash works well to activate
Is dragon rush bonus damage from leveling up the aspect a flat bonus to the attack or a bonus to cast damage? Anyone?
both rush and cast iirc
ur talking about beo roght
Yea
I mean u could test on skelly
river wing
it's just the rush
turbid needle
ye wiki says so
Really? So attack bonuses help but not cast bonuses for the upgrade?
I'm trying to be strategic which aspects I level up for now
beo is p much a cast weapon
so you don't really need the upgrade, it works alright at lv 1
the best aspect at lv 1 is arthur bar none
Good to know don't level those up right away
rama is also good at lv 1
trying to use GY at level 1 is rough though lol
turbid needle
Is there a list of which mirror effects you should go for?
Like between the two options
cosmic hornet
generally its mostly purple
mostly purple, bottom four all green except from second to bottom (build dependent)
turbid needle
Purple? They're red and green aren't they?
river wing
oh wow they're red. interesting mandela effect, i was so sure it was purple
cosmic hornet
the icon is purple
so its usually
shadow presence
dark regen (if you're farming)/Chthonic vitality (pushing heat)
greater reflex
boiling blood
infernal soul / Stygian if you're running dio cast
deep pockets
thick skin
family favorite / priviledged status (if you can easily get two status)
dark foresight / gods pride (if you're farming)
gods pride/legacy
fated persuasion
if you're still deciding where you want to invest darkness, i'll pick legacy over pride
just because it opens up a lot of fun builds
woven delta
Legacy also works pretty well with fulfilling the prophecies for getting every Duo/Legendary boon as well
turbid needle
Thanks, so Dark regen and bottom 4 green?
I'm still trying to get my first clear lmao
river wing
generally pride is the way to go over legacy
woven delta
Though Cthonic Vitality is more consistent, if smaller
turbid needle
Made it to the final fight only twice, finally turned on god mode because I'm bad
cosmic hornet
its its better before you clear your first run, worse after you clear your first one, and then loop back to better
vitality works better if you need healing in the final area
turbid needle
I should probably vitality then
opal lodge
chthonic vitality is also much better if you're running high confidence
turbid needle
First run with Beowulf was horrid. Any tips on what build is good?
First death in 10 streak on Elysium
turbid needle
Infernal?
cosmic hornet
triple cast
turbid needle
Ah
cosmic hornet
do remember you want to charge your bullrush as little as possible
and you never want to neutral attack ->rush
always dash attack -> rush
turbid needle
Why?
weak violet
Question: how does family favorite work? I get that you deal extra damage for each olympian boon you have, but does it increase if you have multiple boons for one olympian and have more boons with a different olympian?
weak violet
Ah ok
junior sail
are the green abilities the preferred options for the last two mirror talents?
junior sail
gotcha, so I've been trying to build for status effect duo boons
so I guess the green is better than purple for that
cosmic hornet
green
junior sail
but for raw dmg output purple might be better?
pliant anvil
Purple is worth 2 poms iirc
opal lodge
you talking bout god's pride?
pliant anvil
Or was it 3?
cosmic hornet
ngl
...i'm just saying that to be objective-ish
i always pick green
turbid needle
same, how can I resist duos and legends
opal lodge
depends on the build
junior sail
@opal lodge pride vs legacy, yeah
opal lodge
if your build cant live without a particular duo then pick legacy
otherwise pick pride for good hermes/chaos boons
cosmic hornet
what builds runs pride?
zeus wants the legendary
artemis wants heartrend
junior sail
tbh I'm still trying to see what works, but I've really liked achilles spear
cosmic hornet
achilles spear is green 100%
opal lodge
artemis wants heart rend but does not really need it IMO
most nemesis players for example run pride
because purple artemis boon is >>>>> white artemis boon
or like
junior sail
what is nemesis?
opal lodge
an aspect of sword
junior sail
ohhh gotcha
opal lodge
but like for crush shot hera
you dont need duos really
you need crush shot
and you need snow burst
and you need decent rarity on each
cosmic hornet
oh right and beo aphro
opal lodge
yup
junior sail
well I'm just trying to get one escape with each wep before diving deep on specialized builds
but aegis is hot garbo
opal lodge
😠
junior sail
enlighten me, oh wise one 😛
junior sail
well, that's all I got right now, but I have two titan blood left to throw at something
junior sail
not currently
opal lodge
thats aight
junior sail
that and rail are the only ones I haven't touched
opal lodge
just slap arty attack on it and go
pulverizing is a fantastic hammer
so are sudden rush/charged shot
junior sail
hmm ok will have to try. last run I did with it I got to the final fight with a special ares build
with ricochet
opal lodge
special ares is better if you can get dread flight or something
opal lodge
mino rush is also really really good
river wing
explosive return is good too
opal lodge
if you get mino rush + charged shot you can chunk people
junior sail
who gives mino rush
opal lodge
hammer
zenith orchid
yeah shield has lots of good option
junior sail
ah, will have to hunt that down
zenith orchid
dread flight on zag shield got me pretty far before my first clear too
cosmic hornet
...man i just realized both of the shield's aspects scales hard with blood
junior sail
I mean, I've only escaped with sword/spear/bow/fists once each, so still trying to feel out what builds work best
opal lodge
yup
junior sail
ok I'll give that shield build a whirl, and probably come back looking for rail tips tomorrow 😂
opal lodge
all of shields besides beowulf scale hard with blood
zenith orchid
Ye
junior sail
and just to verify, mirror should be 2,6,10,12 green and the rest purple for that shield build?
opal lodge
yeeees
river wing
oh darn, 5 digit is too high 😐
cosmic hornet
dark regen, stygian soul, foresight, persuasion?
i think you want family fav for that
opal lodge
family fav is the move unless you're getting 2 T1 curses
river wing
hmm it should still do a ton of damage tho. mino rush beo should be 1800 crit before adding in any other additive multipliers.
oh wait. nvm im dumb. the base is 50, not 100.
getting to 100 is additive
cosmic hornet
bummer
river wing
so only 1050
cosmic hornet
glass
use infernal dio cast
make a short vid and call it broken once you somehow get it once
river wing
but why
junior sail
wait why family fav? I thought I was shooting for a status effect on the shield special??
cosmic hornet
weren't you going for arty?
turbid needle
what's a good rama build
pallid glade
Aphro Attack (for the high +%) with Pressure Points is also pretty good if you don't consistently hit the power shots, since it gives you a much better average damage. The spikes won't be nearly as high, though.
solid grail
Hey everyone I'm just looking for suggestions for aspect of lucifer builds? Anyone feel like sharing some setups that worked really well for them?
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike worked well for me. You can get Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air.
Or Deadly Flourish and Support Fire + Heart Rend.
ashen rose
what's a good rama build
Zeus special, get the legendary and just relax pew pew pew
languid dagger
What is the best spear aspect for AA build and what kind of AA builds are there for spear?
river wing
what's AA?
river wing
oh... achillis/zag. pray for flurry jab. flurry jab is good for that
hades/gy can't get flurry jab
languid dagger
screw hades aspect tbh )
river wing
but why
clear dome
why would you want flurry on Ahilles?
river wing
D:
languid dagger
oh... achillis/zag. pray for flurry jab. flurry jab is good for that
any boon directions?
clear dome
nvm
river wing
anything but ares/dio would work.
hardest part is rnging the hammer
😐
but without the hammer. auto-attacking is just... kinda sad
languid dagger
figured that much
my favourite auto-attacking build is still Zagreus sword with Lambent Plume and Rush Delivery
fast and fun to play
doubt Spear can do as much
cosmic hornet
...best autoattack build on spear is unironically hades with artemis attack
languid dagger
is there any way to get a good spin Guan Yu build going?
cosmic hornet
its hard, but you can use athena to turn the spin into a wall
make use of dash cancelling the spin charge
tulip zealot
hey which is the best bow for you?
cosmic hornet
hidden
river wing
depends how we define "auto attacking" build, i guess. i interpreted it as just spamming attack, lol
rama > hera > chiron > zag
weak violet
Chiron
cosmic hornet
i intepret it as using attack as the main damage source
river wing
chiron is good, but i get bored with it after awhile
cosmic hornet
...in which case its hades by far
weak violet
Chiron is just too easy with the right boons
river wing
flurry jab > hades 150%
cosmic hornet
without artemis, maybe
but hades with artemis is just too good
plus you're not dependent on one specific hammer
river wing
is spinning an attack?
cosmic hornet
the spin is just for the debuff
cosmic hornet
you can't put flurry jab on hades
river wing
huh?
weak violet
Epic
cosmic hornet
funnily enough i think the spin doesn't get bonus damage from the spin
river wing
lol
cosmic hornet
proven osprey
You can't same goes for GY
river wing
GY attack builds are pretty fun too. it's kinda like arthur, but worse.
weak violet
Arthur but the opposite of fun 
still estuary
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turbid needle
How does triple shot work on chiron's targetting?
river wing
every target that gets hit is marked
so.. the last target gets it. since it overwrites
turbid needle
Would you rather take that or twin shot?
river wing
still estuary
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river wing
probably triple for chiron
since range isn't hurt. and you can still burst by going into melee range
turbid needle
Yeah, I was offered chain shot/twin shot/triple shot earlier
I went with twin but the range reduction hurt
cosmic hornet
...i don't like any of those hammers on chiron tbh
river wing
twin/triple is always welcome
pallid glade
Twin's good, chain probably makes it hard to mark the enemy you want, but is actually pretty neat otherwise
turbid needle
triple shot messes up with my shooting on chiron
chain is... that
bout to give up on this chiron 40 
turbid needle
HL5 LC4 CF4 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3
river wing
o is that with stubborn defiance?
turbid needle
my main problem has been timing out to heroes (if I don't die to furies/lernie, that is)
yee
i feel like fists will be an easier clear
river wing
are you doing dio or artemis
turbid needle
i start with aphro so whichever falls into my lap
and then i force athena for asphodel
unless i don't get either
cosmic hornet
i feel like the hardest part of using fist is pacing the heroes fight
then again that's more my problem than the fists'
turbid needle
that's true, that fight is harder with fists
so it seems like heroes will be the pain in my ass no matter what lmao
i think i could go past the deadline a bit more if i stopped taking some of asterius's hits to the face
fair plinth
WEW
epic crystal beam, epic glacial glare, crystal clarity and +1 cast chaos boon
all before even getting to lernie
EM4 hades gonna git a spanking
drowsy vigil
Does ||Lucifer|| have a higher fire rate than the regular aspects? It looks like|| a continual beam|| but the damage still comes in as ticks. I was just wondering since I haven't really used it's special.
turbid needle
Yes, it does.
unkempt pagoda
damage also ramps up the longer you focus on an enemy
drowsy vigil
damage also ramps up the longer you focus on an enemy
That I have noticed. I was just thinking on wether to use it or ||Eris|| instead.
unkempt pagoda
if you're gonna focus on the attack, just go eris
lucifer's specialty is the special (i.e. the only thing that makes it stand out)
drowsy vigil
Are spoilers a thing in this channel?