h1-builds-and-combat

[opal lodge]

even the 46 heat clear on arthur does not run DC

[boreal harness]

Aphrodite + Arthur would be pretty slow

[opal lodge]

ok good haha

[boreal harness]

But tanky

[static karma]

Here is my proposed set up, should I put it as a spoiler picture (the pact)

[turbid needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/783591808961609728/unknown-107.png

[static karma]

before I start the run

[opal lodge]

any of artemis/aphro/athena is pretty good for arthur

[turbid needle]

spoilers are fine here

heart rend seems kinda annoying to use with arthur unfortunately

unless if you got epic swift flourish

[boreal harness]

I have maybe used Arthur twice or thrice, and almost all of them were with Athena/Artemis

[static karma]

OK it won't let me upload so here is my potential set up

[turbid needle]

yeah deflect on arthur attack is silly

[static karma]

Jury Summons 1, Extreme Measures 3, Benefits Package 1, Middle Management, Underworld Customs, Tight Deadline 2

I'm not super sure about underworld customs

or TD2

[turbid needle]

UC is not bad

[boreal harness]

Tight deadline + jury sommons + Arthur might be problematic

[static karma]

Hm

Would Lasting Consequences be better

[turbid needle]

I had a 15 minute arthur run

[static karma]

than jury summons

lasting consequences feels kinda bad

I wonder if that or hard labor would be better

[turbid needle]

it really isn't that bad at lv 1

annoying but not horrible

i'd take LC

[boreal harness]

Yeah I guess, since the damage has huge aoe

I'd take LC as well, since especially with weak inflicted enemies and aura the damage wouldn't be that bad

The Zeus fist would be great with jury summons

[turbid needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728755892022935643/780552887221616730/unknown.png

td2 is ez

just believe in yourself

[boreal harness]

I think it's better to get LC.

[static karma]

Also another reason I feel like I need to get better is bc I haven't gotten to 30% on butterfly yet

[turbid needle]

maybe im biased because I never stop going in

[static karma]

yeah I'm doing LC now

I only got to 26% maximum

that 26% run I only got hit once in a few rooms

but still

[opal lodge]

think less about no-hitting rooms

just try your best to deal with the enemy type you have in front of you and it should come naturally

[turbid needle]

I get dinked like once every room it doesntr really matter in the long run

taking a buttload of damage is what does matter

[static karma]

Ah ok, also I have never attempted extreme measures 4 yet

I'm scared, I want to try it with no other heat factors

I'm not confident in being able to do it at all tho

[turbid needle]

use em4 fo2 to die instantly

[boreal harness]

It's often not really that hard at all, I often get far too OP before the final fight, especially with cast builds if things go my way, or with Merciful End builds.

At that point EM4 is just 60 extra seconds.

[turbid needle]

I don't think I've ever had merciful end

[opal lodge]

everyone should try to do a merciful end build once

its jsut fun to delete enemies with one dash attack

[turbid needle]

ive used nemesis in tartarus b4

I go for Zeus since it's more consistent

ME build is lame without... well, ME

now curse of longing is fun

esp with stacking+delayed doom

[boreal harness]

Merciful end + divine dash + curse of pain + the exposed boon for privileged status + levelled up impending doom means EM4 is a mild inconvenience at best.

[opal lodge]

ME isnt that hard to get tbh

what weapon are you putting curse of pain on? zeus shield?

[turbid needle]

yeah but that's metaaaaa

[boreal harness]

You just need to waste 1 boon for divine flourish

[opal lodge]

curse of longing is just boneless merciful end

[turbid needle]

the few times i've tried building it i couldn't get the duos

[boreal harness]

The rest is easy, especially if you don't have AP.

[turbid needle]

tell them I want that mf boon BONELESS

[opal lodge]

did you run god's legacy?

[turbid needle]

yup

maybe just really bad luck on my part

[boreal harness]

I never noticed much of a difference with that and pride, since I get most Athena and ares boons other than the area cast and dash anyway, and I get ME offered to me regardless

[turbid needle]

I stopped fishing for Artemis and I started having fun again

[static karma]

Also, when is Chthonic Vitality better than Dark Regeneration and vice versa?

[boreal harness]

Thankfully half the ares boons are locked behind slicing shot and blade dash

I never use dark regen for the first time I attempt a new heat level

[turbid needle]

dark regen is good when you're running already cleared heats

like if u got dark thirst and r farming darkness

vitality amounts to about 175 hp give or take throughout the run

[boreal harness]

Is that counting the darkness you get after the final fight?

[cunning urchin]

You can easily do TD3 with that time.

[turbid needle]

I like going fast

[boreal harness]

I never tried TD3 with Arthur, I only do it with Hestia, Chiron, Eris, Poseidon and fist aspects

And chaos shield

[turbid needle]

big fan of TD3 bc it lights a fire under me

gotta go fast

[cunning urchin]

I take TD3 on everything.

[static karma]

I'm not fast enough to do TD3 even without other heat factors yet

TD2 is fine tho

[boreal harness]

I usually finish is 15-18 minutes with most other aspects, but I don't use them at all past 20 heat. The real problem is me not liking them.

Like Beowulf, for example, I think I saw somebody with the title Beowulf appreciator here, but I've used it maybe twice and it felt clunky both times.

[turbid needle]

Does privilege status trigger if you have two stacks of the same status?

[boreal harness]

No

[turbid needle]

beo is my favorite shield

[boreal harness]

I like chaos the best, but after a recent patch I can do the astronomically high damage with ME like before. Although that was very cheesy.

[opal lodge]

i am summoned

whats up

[boreal harness]

Basically you could get 5 doom procs with it before.

[turbid needle]

chaos is whelming

[boreal harness]

With doom or Zeus builds it's great, obviously not as good as Eris or Chiron, but pretty decent.

[opal lodge]

i have spent maybe 1/3 of my hours in this game either speedrunning beo or playing beo on high heat

[turbid needle]

I gotta try zag shield

[opal lodge]

it just does numbers

[turbid needle]

I can probably play it like sword

[boreal harness]

I used to use zag shield a lot as well when I was starting to play

Especially with Zeus special

[turbid needle]

I think id want doom on special bc it does a whopping 15 damage on its own

[boreal harness]

The one where you deal 50 damage when catching the shield can be used to deal continuous zeus aoe damage to things just by being near them and repeatedly spamming special

It deals special damage 4-5 times a second, just enough to optimize for Zeus bolt and legendary

And the attack can benefit from sea storms even without a Poseidon buff, say if you get it with tidal dash

[turbid needle]

lol I gotta try zeus aspect

[boreal harness]

Other things that deal multiple special damage either do it too fast (Chiron/Rama) or don't do it as fast (most everything else)

So it's imo a very good budget build for low heat

And js3 does not hinder it at all

[turbid needle]

I tried lv 1 chiron and I absolutely hated it

[boreal harness]

Chiron was recently nerfed a bit

[turbid needle]

oh no, lvl 1 chiron is awful

it has to be maxed to be great

[boreal harness]

It's very dependent on being lv5 and getting good hammers

[turbid needle]

seems like quite the investment

[boreal harness]

For lv1 the best is Hera with dio cast

[turbid needle]

when I can just pick rama

[boreal harness]

Hera with dio cast means you don't even need the extra levels since they offer no extra benefit

[turbid needle]

lv 1 rama is still great

that's how it be

some aspects aren't good till you invest blood

[static karma]

Is damage shield OK for rama

[turbid needle]

like chaos shield and demeter fists are lackluster at lvl 1

[boreal harness]

Yeah, I used to use that with special spam + doom + dire misfortune + relentless volley

[turbid needle]

dc should be fine w rama

[boreal harness]

Rama attack builds wouldn't be good, but if you use the special properly it's fine

[static karma]

i like to tag with special first

[boreal harness]

Yeah

[static karma]

and then attack once most enemies are tagged

[boreal harness]

That's the point

[turbid needle]

nemesis, hera, talos are all pretty good at lv 1

[static karma]

I find that damage shield isn't a problem when I do that I just wasn't sure if I was hindering myself more than I thought

[turbid needle]

beo and rama too

[static karma]

Arthur is great at level 1

[turbid needle]

yeah

[static karma]

I still have arthur at level 1 and love it

[turbid needle]

you don't even need to upgrade it tbh

[boreal harness]

Yeah, I haven't levelled up Arthur either

[static karma]

I might upgrade Arthur last

Guan Yu needs to be level 5

[turbid needle]

I have every sord aspect maxed

[boreal harness]

But then again, I never use ut

[static karma]

to be like, viable

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu Lv.1 is great.

[boreal harness]

*it

The worst is gilgamesh

Waste of blood

[static karma]

I like gilgamesh

for extra dashes

[turbid needle]

I never want to use gilg ever again

[boreal harness]

No I mean for levelling

[static karma]

also ruthless reflex is actually viable with gilgamesh

oh I see

gilgamesh is literally the only reason I would run ruthless reflex

[turbid needle]

ruthless is pretty good w arthur

[static karma]

Taking a break for tonight, got to patrocolus just before the final shop

gonna fight souped up asterius and theseus tomorrow

[boreal harness]

I run ruthless sometimes with Zeus fist attack builds since I only dash after 4 strikes

[static karma]

luckily Patty replaced my missing DD

[turbid needle]

dat 50% crit

[static karma]

and 50% dodge

[boreal harness]

And the 50% damage increase greatly boosts the damage of Zeus fists

It doesn't give crit

It gives damage IIrC

[static karma]

i thought it was damage increase too

not crit chance

[turbid needle]

swear on me mum it's crit

[boreal harness]

You did your mum dirty

[turbid needle]

nvm it's damage

50% crit would be broken as hell

im tired

[boreal harness]

Vicious skewer says hi

[turbid needle]

I also remembered that damage is additive

so

greatest reflex is just better

[static karma]

Also I wonder how to beat the secret boss, since I still need to fulfill the prophecy of beating him twice in a row

[boreal harness]

Yeah, that's why it's better on stuff like Zeus fist, where there's no damage increase to begin with

But two seperate base damages that both get 1.5x

And the lightning reflex boon from Zeus also compliments it

And Gilgamesh can patch up the lack of dashes

[turbid needle]

gilg is so jank

[boreal harness]

I hate that it increases the time required between dashes

[turbid needle]

hate the sound effect too

[boreal harness]

I have trained myself to a 2-1 rhythm where I dash twice at around 270ms and wait 270ms for recharge

The fist's frame freeze effect messes with that, and Gilgamesh also increases the recharge time

Also, what is up with that freeze effect after a melee attack or single hit cast lands? It's one of the reasons I prefer stuff like Hestia and Eris to Arthur

[turbid needle]

hitpause

[boreal harness]

It really messes with my timing with the dash

[turbid needle]

hitstop*

[boreal harness]

Hestia's empowered shots thankfully don't have that effect

Which is one of my favourite aspects now

[turbid needle]

hitstop gives attacks impact

[boreal harness]

Yeah I get it, but I wish there was a way to turn it off

Since I am always dashing in a certain rhythm to take advantage of the invincibility frames

And it messes with the dash recharge

[willow badge]

quick question

how you can finish a run without boons

[turbid needle]

shackle and hope

[boreal harness]

Shackles was boosted in the last patch

[willow badge]

i was thinking gilgamesh with shackles or butterfly

[boreal harness]

Making it a bit easoer

[barren otter]

sell every boon at every purging well you find. You can't sell boons that immediately give you a resource (such as Nourished Soul, Premium Vintage or Athena's DDs) and any Chaos' boons

[boreal harness]

I tried it with Hestia but couldn't get rid of all boons

So it wouldn't count

I think I missed a few wells

[surreal bolt]

What do you guys think is better, hermes, duo boon or eurydice?

[static karma]

i assume you mean trial right? eurydice probably

if you have good boons to level up

[surreal bolt]

ah yea, my bad, trial

[static karma]

you only get a chance to see eurydice once per run

and it's not even guaranteed to see her in a run

[unborn pebble]

I really like the buffed Zag Bow.

[turbid needle]

is the crit for everything or just attack

[unborn pebble]

Attack only

[turbid needle]

ah

makes sense

[unborn pebble]

Heartbreak Strike rare4 (109%) + Divine Flourish + True Shot
Heart Rend + Blinding Flash common (50%) + Deadly Reversal
Twin Shot + Chain Shot + Common Extra Dash + Clean Kill common+ (37%)

They just melted

When I could hit. And I swear to Nyx I will forever and ever hunt down the Strongbows. I HAAAAAAATE!!!!

[turbid needle]

mmm heart rend

[unborn pebble]

Mhm

What's the combo I outlined, a +387% damage increase on crit?

[turbid needle]

so you got 4.87 * 2.09 * (base damage)

[unborn pebble]

Yup

[turbid needle]

for crits

[unborn pebble]

And given Deadly Reversal (and a +3% PP) that happened often.

[turbid needle]

double that for twin shot

damn that's a good build

[unborn pebble]

Chain Shot made things so much easier.

Right, can't use the harsher form of crap.

But yeah, except for the ever-accursed-Strongbows, kiting the Elysian piles of crap into a big blob, dashing through to apply expose and set up PS, and then shooting from the back?

Mmmm, big numbahs

And quick too!

[tidal thorn]

what's a good rail build for people that suck at rail

[half light]

zeus attack, aphro/ares on special, maybe zeus cast, athena on dash, focus on leveling the special and get triple bomb or cluster bomb and maybe paired with rocket bomb.

[ruby aspen]

if you use hestia's aspect and get the 3 shot burst, does it benefit from the damage bonus on each burst?

[half light]

it should, yes

[ruby aspen]

you need to be lucky with hammers but i had a completely broken run last time i use the rail hehe. Rocket launcher + 5 rockets a once (cluster bomb) with artemis boon to deal crits... it was absolutely nuts, each rocket would deal like +- 800 damage at the end of my run so imagine the ridiculous damage at short range if many rockets hit the target... i completely annihilated hades. At floor 4 i would clear most rooms just by pressing Y once...

[half light]

yeah artemis is nice, for constant high damage aphro is the best since she gives the highest +%

so getting aphro for high damage % bonus and the 3% any damage is critical from artemis can be insane

[ruby aspen]

i love me some artemis+aphro or artemis+dio DUO hehe

[half light]

artemis and athena duo builds on spears are insane

never had an easier time

[ruby aspen]

my favorite weapon is the rail because it makes me feel like i'm playing enter the gungeon

it's the one i cleared in 32 heat too

[half light]

rail hestia aspect then or any of the aspects?

[ruby aspen]

actually used zagreus aspect... i actually never tried hestia, i just upgraded it to max level right now lol and i'm 120 hours into the game

i love having plenty of ammo but i realised that i'm always reloading between dashes anyway so i think hestia will be my favorite

[half light]

thats nice :) there is a hammer upgrade that gives you more ammo too so you could get lucky for your hestia builds with bonus ammo!

[ruby aspen]

i love the fist of demeter too with artemis boon on Y, can deal some insane damage. but man do i suck at dodging when i use a melee weapon... i can kill hades EM4 by barely getting hit with ranged weapons, but when i use the fist i need all my lives to beat him most of the time...

[half light]

high heat fists is easier with talos and Colossus Knuckle i think

[turbid needle]

Gilgamesh Fists with Colossus Knuckle is much easier for high heat than Talos

[ruby aspen]

i'm so disapointed right now. start a run with hestia rail. first hammer = 3 shot burst. Bonus damage doesn't work. Well, the reload button still work and apply the damage, but what the heck is the point?

[half light]

depends on preference, but Colossus Knuckle is still easiest for high heat with fists

it doesnt work?

[ruby aspen]

i can apply the bonus damage by reloading as usual, but the point of the 3 shot burst is that you don't need to reload anymore... and it doesn't apply the bonus damage if you don't reload

[half light]

weird maybe it got patched out because usually any bonus damage affects even god boons like ares or dionysus o.o

oh was the tripple shot the infini shot?

i always forget which it is because i only focus on my special

[ruby aspen]

yes triple shot = infinite ammo

[half light]

i'm sorry i forgot that :c

[ruby aspen]

so triple shot on hestia = no no. sadly. i wonder what the devs think about that one.

[half light]

yeah it should be incompatible like certain spear aspects are with achilles, very weird

huh it is only imcompatible with hidden rail this is really weird

[wooden gyro]

any stygian blade build recommend me to play?

(aspect of zagreus)

or an eris some build

[half light]

blade is nice with poseidon dash and zeus cast

aphro or artemis attack is nice too

most like cursed slash for some reason

[wooden gyro]

i have played the firs one its nice yep

[half light]

else ares special is extremely nice, with double nova

[wooden gyro]

yea ares special

with doom is checked too

[half light]

dio/ares/demeter/zeus builds with the sword are really interesting too

[wooden gyro]

i want to unlock the arthus thing but have no titans

[ruby aspen]

i did a cast build once with poseidon sword. by the end my Artemis cast was dealing 1700 damage per crit and i had 4 cast + hermes boon to cast them faster... it was ridiculous.

[half light]

if you struggle with getting heat up, do you have ambrosia that you have no need for?

[ruby aspen]

i need to try a hunting blade cast one day.

[half light]

it's very very nice

decimated ||father dearest||with it in less then 2mins ._.

[knotty ether]

guys what build do you find works best with arthur's aspect? I tried a tanky aphrodite/ares build with scarce success

with myrmidion bracer too

[cunning urchin]

I really don't agree with that.

[half light]

well the attack is unchangeable (pure damage wise) so getting aphro or athena really isnt worth it, if you're looking for higher hear focussing on the special seems to be the strat

oh and btw please spoiler the name of the hidden aspect!

[knotty ether]

oh do I have to here? sorry for that

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike are ideal for Excalibur. Divine Strike also works.

No need to spoiler-tag anything in this channel, no.

Deadly Strike with Heartbreak Flourish and Heart Rend is a very popular build for Excalibur.

[half light]

yeah no worries it's just we get many new players here

[knotty ether]

I'll go with that next time, thank you

[cunning urchin]

I always run with Heartbreak Strike, personally.

[knotty ether]

probably I just played bad that run since the boons seem nearly the same I took that time

[cunning urchin]

Then just get Divine Dash and stack damage reduction + Dodge.

[half light]

aphro and athena attack dont stack on the combo tho

i tried it multiple times

[cunning urchin]

What do you mean they don't "stack"?

[knotty ether]

yeah the idea was going full tank

since I often use fists and I always get that "fast" playstyle, wanted to swtich up a bit

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike and Heartbreak Strike are the best DPS you can get on Excalibur.

[half light]

the combo of the hidden sword aspect is 80-something-200 right? with aphro 100% more damage the third attack will still be 200 damage

[cunning urchin]

No. That's not right.

[half light]

i tried it more times than i liked

[cunning urchin]

If that happens to you, you should F10 that.

[half light]

unless they changed in in one of the last months patches, it still doesnt stack

i had it happen to me every single aphro- hidden blade run

[cunning urchin]

Verify your files then.

[half light]

only the first attack gets boosted

i did multiple times

[cunning urchin]

Maybe ask for help in #h1-tech-support. That shouldn't happen.

[half light]

told me to verify my files, i did, nothing changed

my game runs worse with the new patches now and i'll try to downgrade to v1.0 probably with the steam patch log but else idk

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I dunno. I can't help with that unfortunately.

[ruby aspen]

i remember using artemis on the hidden blade aspect and right from the start my third attack was dealing 600 dmg per crit so it was working. don't know about athena's or aphro tho

[undone anvil]

can chain skewer and breaching skewer on the spear combine or are they incompatible?

[proven osprey]

you can get both

[half light]

chain skewer is only incompatible with:
Cannot be combined with Exploding Launcher
Incompatible with Aspect of Guan Yu and Aspect of Achilles
breaching skewer i ok with everything

[half crater]

how to play hestia ig idk:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/783660859850883082/Hades_2_12_2020_10_45_53_PM.png

its funny 'cause 90% of my damage was coming from epic zeus' aid with epic double strike and smouldering air

[opal lodge]

i spot a boon 😠

[half crater]

oh woop i forgot boons are banned on hestia

guess i'll just have to sell them all

[cunning urchin]

No Fiery Presence nor Hourglass.

9/10.

[half crater]

yeah also no battle rage come to think of it

[olive spruce]

I had an amazing achilles spear hunting blades run with artemis's legendary

it was pretty silly

I didn't have any of the other rift boons but it didn't matter

[proven shoal]

anybody got tips for theseus and asterious. i started the game a couple days ago and they have destroyed me every time

[gray shore]

Try to take down Asterius first

makes it a lot easier

[olive spruce]

^

[gray shore]

how have you been finding Act 3 in general?

Hades tries to train you to deal with issues and brings it together in boss fights

[olive spruce]

watch out for the crosshairs turning a deeper shade of pink/purple

[proven shoal]

yeah i normally try to seperate them

[gray shore]

for example Theseus spear is a lot like act 3 archers

[olive spruce]

it's possible to dodge a bunch of the spear throws that way

[gray shore]

Theseus shield is like the shieldbearer

Asterius is like the chariots

[proven shoal]

yeah act 3 has been hard especially when i have to fight asterious before the real boss

[olive spruce]

divine dash helps a bit

[proven shoal]

yeah the farthest ive gotten is nearly taking down asterious with the rail

[cosmic hornet]

that fight forces you to play slower

watch for asterius’ attack pattern and hit him after the slam

[proven shoal]

yeah i got way too greedy after asterious buffed himself

[cosmic hornet]

thesius always has a shield up against you except during the ||call|| and after he attacks you

so against him its dodge and take turns

[proven shoal]

oh that makes sense

thanks for the help

[olive spruce]

what's the new duration for the eris extra damage?

I'm curious because I'm on the Switch and I probably won't find out otherwise for some time

[turbid needle]

from 8s to 4s

[olive spruce]

hoo boy

that's a significant decrease

still super powerful though

[cosmic hornet]

still permanent imo

since you basically rebuffing everytime you reload

and you ran out of ammo way faster than 4s

[turbid needle]

i hate eris right now. i died when the final boss was 1 hit away

[olive spruce]

oh no 😦

[cosmic hornet]

but the cool new effect is worth it

[olive spruce]

I find myself liking the rail more and more

especially with cluster rockets

unbelievable damage

[proven shoal]

well i beat theseus and asterius

thanks for the help

[gray shore]

nice nice

[proven shoal]

i felt cool and then i got WIPED by ||my dad|| which was less cool

but im guessing hes the final boss

[cosmic hornet]

||dad|| is a spoiler

[proven shoal]

oh i thought the channel description said spoilers allowed

sorry

[cosmic hornet]

oh my bad

[proven shoal]

its fine

[undone anvil]

which theme is this if you don't mind me asking

I wanna get more of them but I don't wanna spend all those resources on them just to end up hating the way they look

[half crater]

chaos

best one imo

also the most expensive ofc lol

sorry wait the actual name is “infinite”

[undone anvil]

ohh right the 25k one lol

[half crater]

yup

[undone anvil]

I'm currently spending all my darkness on the ||Resource Director|| so I'll have to save up for that one later

[half crater]

that takes a while lol

i’m still not done with it

[undone anvil]

requires 325k darkness in total

I'm good on every other resource but darkness is a pain to farm

[half crater]

truth

[turbid needle]

how long does it take to get that much

i don't think my save file even has 20k atm

[half crater]

took me hundreds of hours to get where i am now, and i still haven’t bought everything that requires darkness

idk how many resource director ranks i’ve done, but i suspect i have a decent number to go

so a long time lol

but i put zero effort into farming and just spend what i happen to pick up, so it’s probably possible to collect it all a lot faster

[olive spruce]

0 heat runs with whichever weapon has dark thirst?

plus poseidon's ocean's bounty

(just something I've been thinking about since now I have to do this as well)

what's the second best cast for beowulf shield?

[solid cairn]

wdym

[olive spruce]

I hear the best is trippy shot and I had a really fun run with ice wine but I want to try something else

maybe phalanx shot?

[solid cairn]

infernal with aphrodite

aphrodite is the only other good ones

the rest are trash

[olive spruce]

why not athena's?

[solid cairn]

I think the range is small

[olive spruce]

does it matter for beowulf?

[solid cairn]

yes

the other flares are bad for different reasons

Arty's has a small radius too

trust me I know beowulf really well

[olive spruce]

interesting

[unborn pebble]

Beo with AthenaCast sort of requires that you get the Charged Shot hammer, you need to aim so freaking precisely Dx

Other than that it is actually not too bad, especially if you somehow manage to get Aphro Attack, Athena Special, and then a temporary (or permanent) stint with Artemis Aid to get the Deadly Reversal+Heartrend combo. But like Cin said, if you go Beo and don't go for memes you REALLY want to get either Trippy Flare (Dio) or Passion Flare (Aphro).

I myself am partial to the niceties of AphroCast, ArtySpec, and Athena on Attack and Dash. If you're lucky and get both Heart Rend and Deadly Reversal on that: Crit is Love, Crit is Life.

[opaque hare]

If you get an attack dmg boon does it also affect your dash strike?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[proven osprey]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnjoyableDeafCurlewOneHand

@primal hazel

footage demonstrating the power of Artemis

[primal hazel]

oh man artemis did 600 dmg to two rats

what a powerhouse

[proven osprey]

ikr

[primal hazel]

and i thought you were being cerel

[proven osprey]

it only needed me to eat that jigsaw

[primal hazel]

sad when 1 bar zeus can do the same

[fair wraith]

I just did a chiron run with ares attack dem special

It made me think

Could you do a really brutal merciful end set on chiron

[proven osprey]

The aid just helped vs Theseus, killed these rats, and ended Hades phase 1 I believe

[fair wraith]

It’d be easier to set up than on the fists because you don’t need athena on the dash, just the special

[proven osprey]

you don't really deflect on chiron, so nope

[primal hazel]

merciful end on chiron

prollly the worst aspect for it id argue lol

[primal hazel]

oh man wouldve liked to see that

couldve shown higher damage numbers

[proven osprey]

I can still clip it I think

the thing is the call took the whole boss fight to charge up

and Hades slapped me so I could call

I swear the fastest way to charge your gauge on GY is getting slammed

[primal hazel]

on anything lol

[proven osprey]

outside of serrated point/support fire

[primal hazel]

id still argue artemis is third worst

not necessarily bad

yk

[proven osprey]

Yeah I understand your point of view

the thing is that I don't rely on calls anyway with GY except smoldering air

because

"if you called for help, no one would come anyway"

[primal hazel]

classic

just saying it again cause i crap on it a lot xDD

[tardy swan]

Question about the chaos shield - the extra shields you throw out, are they the same as the main shield, or are those 'untalanted' or rather 'boonless'?

Or to put it different; are those actual additional instances of the special vs just some more damaging objects you throw out?

[dry ember]

Your multiple shields will get bonuses from your boons. But there is one true shield. You can't Bull Rush again until you catch that specific shield. Otherwise they are same, essentially.

[tardy swan]

So all benefit from all 'special' upgrades you find. nice.

[unkempt pagoda]

mostly, anyways

interactions with special hammers usually only affect the main shield

[primal hazel]

dont use dread flight

[dry ember]

Dread the Dread Flight?

[tardy swan]

Usualy not one I take anyway.

[primal hazel]

dread flight is dead flight

faster bull rush hammer is p nice on chaos

[tardy swan]

Also bull rush shot.

[primal hazel]

less so imo

i wanna be close and mobile with chaos

[weak violet]

Y’all know a good build for Chaos?

Funny how Chaos was fhe first weapon where i completed a run

[proven osprey]

You can aske the stone

it talks to me

should do the same with you

[weak violet]

Nice

Mr. Stone man, i need assistance

[still vigil]

why do ppl say sweet surrender is meh compared to other boons?

[proven osprey]

@primal hazel Your help is needed my friend

[primal hazel]

I've been summoned

[proven osprey]

Because it's additive I guess? I like it tho. It's bonus dmg without doing anything

[weak violet]

Lmao

[still vigil]

what does additive mean?

[primal hazel]

Chaos: Ares Attack/Demeter Attack, Zeus Special,Jolted, ideally Splitting Bolt, ideally Divine Dash or something to enable Privilege Status if you don't have Jolted|

Dionysus Flourish, Bad influence, Aphrodite and ares duo, Privileged Status, maybe zeus aid and smoldering air

Additive means it's added before it's applied

[proven osprey]

You won't get big crits out of that

[primal hazel]

So not flat damage+%+%
But flat damage+(%+%)

[weak violet]

Epic

[still vigil]

i think i understand

i think

but isnt more damage by simply applying weak a good thing?

or no?

[proven osprey]

Yeah it is

this is why I like it

not gamebreaker but nice

[still vigil]

ahh icic

so in short, multiplicative scales while additive damage doesnt? @proven osprey

[proven osprey]

Yeah

[magic cedar]

Hey, what are the best builds for gilgamesh right now?

[plain plover]

what duo boons would work well with hera?

[magic cedar]

@plain plover I think hunting blades is pretty good seeing as it just sticks to whatever enemy you hit

[still vigil]

merciful end

if ya wanna win

[magic cedar]

Thanks should I put doom on attack or special?

[still vigil]

atk

[rare kindle]

special is too slow

[still vigil]

athena on dash and special

[magic cedar]

Ah that sounds good, Thanks!

[maiden wraith]

wow after fighting em4 a couple of times, the normal boss is pretty easy

[still vigil]

ive been trying athena, dio, demeter, and hermes focused builds on gilga to see how those feel @magic cedar

theyre fun in their own ways

[magic cedar]

Neat, I'll try those out!

[still vigil]

athena fer lots of backstab and reflect

dio fer snowballing crowds and dot

demeter fer small bursts, slow and dot

hermes to go fast and rush delivery

[weak violet]

Gotta get those dash buffs

[merry salmon]

does anyone know if pierced butterfly works in doom?

[opal lodge]

pierced butterfly is additive for every damage

outside of like

summon damage

[merry salmon]

thanks

[plain plover]

does anyone know if sweet nectar effects the pom blossom?

[gloomy zenith]

what are some good builds for each weapon

my builds have been working but i'm only on like 5 heat and i'm not doing a bunch of damage

[mellow sierra]

🙂 celluloiddddd poseidon wall slam builds with fist is awesome 😄

[half light]

artemis and athena work beautiful together if you get the duo boon
aphrodite has the highest damage % bonus for her boons so getting her on attack early and pom-ing it up to the heavens can easily give you massive damage
and well aphrodite high damage plus artemis crit chance is also good
ares and artemis work really well together too (the duo boon hunting blades is actually insane if you learn to use obsticles to your advantage with it)

but thats only if you want to do more damage and very general not fitted for any weapon

[gloomy zenith]

thanks, i've used hunting blades on hera bow and it's insane

i'll try out athena artemis and aphrodite artemis

[opal lodge]

it does not

[half light]

athena artemis works best on spear with athena on attack and artemis on dashattack, that with the serrated point hammer upgrade is insane

[plain plover]

dang. that is a bit disappointing

[gloomy zenith]

suggestion for aspect? i usually jut use zag spear

[half light]

achilles

[gloomy zenith]

ik it's good, i just suck at it atm

[half light]

what makes you struggle with it? the special?

[gloomy zenith]

yeah knowing when to use the bull rush thing

[lone ingot]

[sullen valley]

If y'all don't mind I'm gonna build a wall...of text, right here.

[half light]

bull rush? are we talking about achilles spear?

[gloomy zenith]

yeah

[half light]

o.o

[mystic viper]

let the man speak!

[gloomy zenith]

oh maybe that's the shield dash name

apolgies

[half light]

bull rush is shield long attack

[sullen valley]

Oh nah you can keep talking but expect opinimageddon

[gloomy zenith]

yeah knowing when to use achilles special dash

[lone ingot]

sorry to interrupt you guys
Peege just had a question so Piorda is answering

[plain cairn]

achilles special is called raging rush iirc

[half light]

as a tip: whenever you enter a room, fire the special into any direction to launch yourself and get the bonus damage immidiately, else if you feel like you're too close use it to zoom away

[gloomy zenith]

two conversations can happen at once

[half light]

also, before the enemies spawn you can camp their spawnplaces, flinging yourself with the special there, getting the bonus damage and holding attack for the spin attack to make whopping 200damage as soon as they spawn, instantly popping the enemies

very helpful with treasure troves!

piorda stopped typing, i am worried

oh nvm

[gloomy zenith]

ty for advice!

[lone ingot]

ooohh this is good advice

[half light]

sure thing, achilles spear is my best weapon and i feel really confident actually giving advice on it hah

ask me about bows and i'll be crying

[lone ingot]

aaaa the bow is so difficult for me

[gloomy zenith]

i love bow

[half light]

hera is nice, but chiron and now zag also are so slow imo

[gloomy zenith]

what is tough for you

[lone ingot]

I started playing yesterday
I think so far the stygian blade (spelling?) is the easiest for me

[half light]

bow attack is just really slow and it forces you to stay in one place, so you'll have to either abuse special (which doesnt really work well with chiron without attack hah) or abuse dash attacks which are something to really get used to

[gloomy zenith]

you have to time power shots right after dashed

*dashes

[sullen valley]

Dash-Attack

[gloomy zenith]

and mix it up with point blank special unless you have chiron

[half light]

yes, it takes getting used to, it scares me

[sullen valley]

Pfheh, you're dashing all the time anyway. The faster draw speed just helps you keep your dashing rhythm.

[fleet pollen]

Any advice on the hidden rail gun aspect

It's hard to use for me

[gloomy zenith]

practice your dash power shots on skelly until you have the timing down

that's how i got used to it

[half light]

is it maybe easier with controller? controlling the dash-attack on bow with kbm wihtout auto aim feels just like pure luck

[lone ingot]

I am a god of button-mashing
and i think the sword is easiest for me in that

[gloomy zenith]

i only use controller

[half light]

yeah i have no controller ;-;

[turbid needle]

bow is the only thing im any good with lols

[half light]

maaaany special bombs around the map

[turbid needle]

i use bow on kbm and its ok but ive tried it on controller and it def feels easier to be accurate

[half light]

;-;

[lone ingot]

I use my brother's play station controller pfff

[half light]

it feels like you have to get way too precise with mouse for bow, that and getting the mouse int eh right position for when you dash, i really dont know

[turbid needle]

i used switch control for mine and it was nice

yeah i use auto aim for kbm

[half light]

yeah i 100% understand that, wish i could one day try hades/any game with controller

controller gaming seems like magic to me

[turbid needle]

do u play hades on steam? if ur able to get a controller it would prob sync up automatically

[half light]

i have never played with controller, never got to afford one and dont know which would be the beginner friendliest

[river wing]

bow is okay. the dash strike, you've time to move your mouse while it charges.

other dash attacks tho...

[half light]

spear is dash attack friendly, fists too (especially hidden aspect)

[river wing]

spear dash special isn't

[sullen valley]

For @mystic viper
Shadow Presence / Fiery Presence - I prefer Shadow Presence. You'll get more of a net-damage bonus with it overall, not only considering the multiple types of hearty enemies you'd come across, and the number of quick-attack type weapons you'll have. If you deal like, 1 damage to a Thug, you'll lose the rest of the damage bonus.
Cthonic Vitality / Dark Regeneration - Health is a precious item in this game, until it isn't, I guess. Still valuable. If you think about it, Dark Regeneration would be miles more useful, since 3 HP a chamber would definitely be more consistent, but I doubt it would get even close to topping off your Max HP (including any potential Centaur Hearts you may come across). Meanwhile, Darkness would be much more potent in healing. Less common, but any Darkness, whether from Chambers, Charon, or even post-boss-bounty rewards, would certainly give you a lot of healing.
Death Defiance / Stubborn Defiance - I would lean towards Death Defiance. More "sprinting distance," and cushion against bosses you may have difficulty with, looking at you, Zone 3. Though I also see the use in builds towards Stubborn Defiance. The most useful "basic" usage would be those who are prone to death overall since it restores after the next chamber it was used in. Both are good safety nets, but it's your preference in your confidence to not die to the boss, or not die to the chambers.
Greater Reflex / Ruthless Reflex - Greater Reflex, imo. You get more invulnerability time, and you get more distance, and damage from Dash Attacks. Doesn't mean Ruthless Reflex isn't good, though, I'd say that could have more use in more specific areas. If you want to go for a build that would excel in Dodge%, than Ruthless Reflex would be of fair use.
Boiling Blood / Abyssal Blood - I'll say that you notice the backstab damage more than the damage you take. This one's your preference, whether you want to dish more, or take less.

[turbid needle]

i use a xbox one controller for some steam games and for most of my games it sets itself up when i plug it in but yeah theyre way expensive😖

[half light]

piorda you are amazing?

[mystic viper]

stubborn roots better than 3 death defiance?

[sullen valley]

Stubborn Roots is a Demeter Duo, right?

[mystic viper]

yeah

health slowly recovers

[half light]

spear special is something we dont talk about....its basically useless other than achilles and hidden aspect :)

[sullen valley]

Hm...Stubborn Roots is supposed to pair with Stubborn Defiance. But Stubborn Roots is more of a direct upgrade kind of thing, I say, independent of whether or not you use Stubborn or Death Defiance.

[mystic viper]

i may as well try it out!

[half light]

kinda a trap, you need to be fast to win and it regens too slow imo

[mystic viper]

gewt thos eprophecies done

[half light]

o.o

[mystic viper]

what about with levelling?

can you level duos?

[sullen valley]

tbh if you have no DDs or SDs left, you'll want to do your damn best to not get hit.

[cunning urchin]

No. You can't level up Duo Boons.

[sullen valley]

Also, no, Duo Boons are on a rarity level all their own.

[mystic viper]

o

k

thanks

[sullen valley]

You can't use Poms or Eurydice foods on them.

[lone ingot]

gods bless you Piorda

[mystic viper]

i love this game and bwiung able to talk to you all about it literally as i play

[half light]

somebody pin that plz

[sullen valley]

Heeh. No but uh, the final bossman is kind of hard. I'd say Death Defiance specifically to deal with that dude.

[mystic viper]

also, i love deflect dash

[half light]

"the final bossman" i love the names everybody has for em

[mystic viper]

is he a spoiler?

[half light]

as long as you please dont call him ||daddy||

[mystic viper]

maybe theres another....?

[lone ingot]

Yeah I think bosses would be considered spoilers

I only got to || Meg|| so far

[mystic viper]

ok

good to know

thanks

[half light]

the endboss is definitively a spoiler, and the secret ones

but the normal ones are mentioned in the achivements i think? or am i wrong?

[sullen valley]

I mean technically in the Story and Combat channels, spoilers aren't exactly a problem. But, it'd be more polite, in case of newer players, like you.

Like we can say ||Charon|| in here, but I prefer the safety of putting a spoiler on that gob.

[lone ingot]

so far my only achievement is petting Cerberus a lot

[half light]

gOOD

[sullen valley]

Good

[half light]

only 30% of steam players have that achievement :c

[lone ingot]

WH

[half light]

this makes me depressed :c

[lone ingot]

WHY

[sullen valley]

That's actually a lot of people!

[mystic viper]

So my Epic, Ravenous Will feels very strong

[sullen valley]

Like, compared to any other Steam games' achievements.

[lone ingot]

I wish there was an option to pet all three of his heads

[sullen valley]

Which one's that do?

[half light]

in comparison to the 42% that BEAT THE GAME :C

[mystic viper]

+30% damage when i dont have any casts

[half light]

there are more people who want to see ||mother dearest|| then pet the best boy :C

[lone ingot]

I love Cerberus so much

[half light]

compared to the hades achievement stats it's bad :c

[sullen valley]

bruh

[mystic viper]

and take 10% less

[lone ingot]

He reminds me of Clifford

[half light]

there are 13 achievements that have more peeps that completed em than the dog petting :c

13/49 :ccc

[lone ingot]

I always pet Cerberus

[half light]

some of them are pretty late game too?

like "Back to Work", it requires you to get access to the administrative chambers which i personally only got really late but idk maybe it's supposed to happen after the first runs/first clear?

[lone ingot]

Oh right
I was wondering
whats the point of the cosmetic renovations to the House?

[half light]

it looks amazing and unlocks some dialogue (mostly how disgruntled your father dearest is that it looks amazing now)

[lone ingot]

oh I see

[half light]

nyx than and achilles have their own house corners and they actually get thankful if you decorate them!

[lone ingot]

I do like dialogue

[half light]

moma nyx deserves all the flowers :c

[lone ingot]

Shes so pretty

[half light]

also you have to decorate the lounge to romance dusa

[lone ingot]

I want to high five whoever designed her

Romancing Dusa.... that sounds....... interesting :v

[half light]

i think there are also multiple secrets in the decorations and i think some are useable?

[lone ingot]

ooohh

[half light]

i dont remember which rn :c

[lone ingot]

Is Dusa supposed to be Medusa btw?

Or is she just a random gorgon?

[half light]

should be random gorgon, her fandom wiki links to medusa's mythology tho

[opal lodge]

she's a maid-dusa

[lone ingot]

oh i see

ASDFJKL

[half light]

MAID-DUSA MARRY ME

[lone ingot]

Maid-dusa

thats so cute

[half light]

i only thought of her as miss dusa...

[lone ingot]

I havent been able to interact with her much
but she certainly is sweet

[half light]

her later dialogue is pretty amazing too, i think dusa is one of the characters where you really feel how much the devs cared about giving everybody depth

[lone ingot]

You can definitely tell the devs care about the game
its wonderful

[half light]

guess thats why everybody is (uderstandably) smitten with her :)

[sullen valley]

I still ain't done btw @mystic viper ;P
Infernal Soul / Stygian Soul - Both are good, and both have their disadvantages. If you want to go for a Cast build, like say using Poseidon or Hera's Aspects, you definitely want to use Infernal Soul for more damage burst output, since drop time shouldn't be a problem for you. If you feel like you struggle too much with keeping track of which enemies with Bloodstones in them, and you want more active Bloodstones anyway, Stygian Soul could be your style. Either of the Soul's are viable, despite any of the reasons. You'll get your Bloodstones back one way or another, anyway.
Deep Pockets / Golden Touch - Depends on if you feel lucky or not, but honestly, I think Golden Touch is better. It's nice having 100 Obol right off the bat, but you can definitely get more than 100 Obol if you get or keep enough coin. Plus it can teach you to conserve your coin later, if you want to save up for anything. Doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T use obol, just for one reason or another. Though, Deep Pockets would be nice to keep in the earlygame, due to it's drought in Obol anyway.
Thick Skin / High Confidence - I prefer to keep as much HP as I can. You can keep the bonus damage if you're good at not getting hurt, but having 2 Centaur Hearts right off the bat is very nice.
Privileged Status / Family Favorite - Unless you're going specifically for Boons, and you get enough dice rolls for them, Privileged Status will get a lot of opportunities to be used. You would only need at least 2 Olympians to give you status-applying abilities. More "consistent" damage, too (as consistent applying 2 status effects would be). If you Were going for Family Favorite, though, keep in mind you'd need 8 different Olympian boons to reach the damage bonus Privileged Status can give you, and there's currently 9 Olympians, iirc. Unless ||the Sigil|| would count as Olympian...?

[half light]

yea, and there are so many secrets, i feel like i havent even seen all of it and i have over 200h in this piece of art

we dont deserve piorda

[proven osprey]

Oh boi

[lone ingot]

Piorda the god of video games

[half light]

peedge's personal hades gamer guru

[opal lodge]

oh hm

im not gonna fight another person about P status but theres a reason family favorite is more popular in high heat and speed running

[lone ingot]

I gotta go, but it was lovely talking to all of you
thank you all so much for the help!

[half light]

of course, have a beautiful day/evening/night!

[cunning urchin]

Family Favorite is way more consistent, yeah.

Privileged Status is for specific builds that make use of it right from the start without the need for t2 boons to apply curses.

[half light]

getting multiple status curses randomly is also not that probable

[sullen valley]

Hm...never thought of how often I apply status effects.

Don't think it helped that I thought your Bloodstone counted as a "Status Curse"

[half light]

most of the time you get at least 3 gods to help? so thats at least constant 15% of bonus

[opal lodge]

p status is also a 40% additive bonus that comes usually late in the game

[cunning urchin]

Only the ones in the list here apply: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses

[sullen valley]

Yeah I was looking at it while typing

[opal lodge]

40% additive doesnt matter that much when you have like +160% on your attack or something for example

with other modifiers too

[cunning urchin]

Well, Privileged Status is universal.

[half light]

yeah PriStat really is if you have a certain build in mind...

[opal lodge]

it is universal

[half light]

i never thought about that huh

[opal lodge]

it's still additive

you want it early if at all

[river wing]

40% is huge

[half light]

i rarely ever went for gods that apply status curses, always felt safer with just crit and deflects but i'll definitively try out using more random builds with more status effects huh

[cunning urchin]

Privileged Status is great for like a Low Tolerance build.

[sullen valley]

Olympian Favor / Dark Foresight - Stronger boons help pretty well, would choose Olympian Favor if I wasn't focusing on things that would help in my run (which is what Dark Foresight gives you).
Gods' Pride / Gods' Legacy - Want stronger boons? Gods' Pride. Interested in Legendaries and Duos (and completing that damn list), Gods' Legacy. On one hand, Legendaries and Duos are extremely rare, requiring you to focus certain Gods and Boons required to get them. On the other hand, you don't exactly need high Boon rarities to get good builds. Some say you won't even feel it.
Fated Authority / Fated Persuasion - If you have a preference for room rewards, you'll want to take Fated Authority. If you'd take any room reward, but you wanna be picky on your choices, Fated Persuasion. Either of these can make your run.

[half light]

true

[tardy swan]

If you get for example Aphodite on your dash + Dionysos on your Attack, you can pretty much guarantee getting the privileged status.

Really slaps with the sword or the fists.

[prime plover]

does the Contractor bonus for a d20 on key, does that depend on which Mirror you have picked, or is it always Fated Authority

[river wing]

the one you picked

[half light]

i really gotta learn to like aphrodite

[opal lodge]

there is 0 reason ever to pick olympian favor over dark foresight

[sullen valley]

Hm...actually, if you think about it, since the gods would be giving you the not-basic boons later on (i.e. Rupture or Jolted), depending on where the original god attack came from, it could be an easy PrivStat if it's later on in the run.

[opal lodge]

dark foresight is busted

[sullen valley]

Doesn't Olympian Favor help you get Legendaries and Duos?

[opal lodge]

no

[sullen valley]

bruh

[prime plover]

Olympian Favor would be good but you’d have to throw away the whole run to do it

[river wing]

but bright, i need to farm my meta currency

[opal lodge]

it does what it says on the tooltip

LOL

[prime plover]

just pick god trinkets outside the active 4 on every floor

[sullen valley]

"or better" made me think it helped get higher rarities, U_U
Higher rarities being Epic, Legendary, or Duo.

[tardy swan]

If I can get it I prefer Athene Dash + the exposed status upgrade over aphrodite, but that needs 2 boons instad of only 1 from aphrodite.

[prime plover]

It aint better than Foresight

[opal lodge]

either way foresight is just too good

it's not that olympian favor is bad

[sullen valley]

Yeah I feel Foresight a lot more than Olympian Favor

[opal lodge]

it's that to take it you have to give up dark foresight

[thorny dirge]

surprisingly dark foresight does the strongest possible interpretation of its tooltip lol... if you get 55/45 gold/blue in tartarus for example, DF pushes it to 75/25

[opal lodge]

jesus

LOL

[sullen valley]

If only I could do math, I would've leaned toward Dark Foresight much sooner. Thanks for that!

[half light]

athena dash is godly tho, without the exposed status, so getting athenas dash is a given when you have the chance, so it really depends if you like just damage and whatever weakness is supposed to do or decent damage and deflect

[tardy swan]

Weakness reduces enemy damage by 30%. So it's less reduction then a staight block but holds longer.

[plain plover]

can blade rifts crit if you have pressure points?

[manic ermine]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

Practically all of my runs start with the Eternal Rose. She has some of the very best boons in the game.

[half light]

true, but it takes getting used to from always deflecting to trusting the reduced damage

[cunning urchin]

She has the best +% modifier.

[river wing]

the duos too

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, her Duo Boons are insane.

I usually swap to Owl Pendant in Asphodel.

Her personality is also the best, yes. She is the best in everything. 💗

[half light]

like the easiest example are the witches with their bubbles, they each deal 5 damage, you can easily deflect them and get 0 damage or 3,5 damage every time your dash fails or whe you dont see one bubble towards you

[prime plover]

Art/Aphro/Dio has basically been every winning run for me

[half light]

its just personal preference that i can work better with deflect

[opal lodge]

you dont take aphrodite with the idea that you're going to face tank damage all the time

but weak helps a lot

art aphro athena is the classic safety/damage combination

lots of good duos in there

[prime plover]

Weak’s damage amp basically makes you do perfect damage

[half light]

ft dio on the heals

[prime plover]

It will save your ass if you get Weak’s damage amp

[half light]

i understand why people like aphro, but i just personally dont

deflect over weak any day, for me

[prime plover]

Also, Hestia + Crush Shot does SO MUCH

even unamplified at common rarity

[river wing]

i don't understand that combination

[prime plover]

highly recommend

[half light]

do you mean hera?

[prime plover]

Only probably

[opal lodge]

hera + crush shot is a classic

[prime plover]

Hestia bad, right

[river wing]

hestia amazing

[half light]

yeah, idk how hestia's reload boost works with crush shot hah

[prime plover]

Hera good

[half light]

hera best bow

[plain plover]

hera VERY good. i just got a blender run

[opal lodge]

hestia cleared 56 heat yesterday

[river wing]

zag best bow UwU

[opal lodge]

it's very good

just not for everyone

[half light]

but chiron and zag and rama are also really really good as bows

just hera is special ;w;

[river wing]

idk. zag is really cool, but at the same time it's kinda lame

[prime plover]

Yeah, I would say at base level, Hera outclasses at least Chiron

[half light]

zeus flippign wife decorates her bow with the skulls of her enemies

[prime plover]

But Chiron’s just absurd

[half light]

thats me(n)tal

[prime plover]

Once you get going

[river wing]

like you do get 65 base damage instead of 50 on your powerdashstrike. it's... very plain...

[half light]

i want to meet the hera that the designers of the weapon aspect invisioned

[plain plover]

zag aspects are really plain, stat ups

[prime plover]

i mean this is the coldest take ever but

DLC

[half light]

art book plz

i would buy 3 art books of hades

[prime plover]

I know it’s literally extremely unlikely but goddamn lemme hope

[half light]

just the designers sketchign a badass hera wielding the bow

[tardy swan]

I... hate flame wheels. How do i deal with them?

[half light]

i've seen this idea of dlc as you are ||persephone|| trying to flee the olympus, getting help from some gods on olymp and the underworld gods

the ideas in hades are endless

[half light]

use the obstacles to make them blow up, you can dash through those, they cant

or zeus cast

[prime plover]

I was also thinking (only because I started playing this game after it hit 1.0) that Demeter and Chill as a whole could change with the real world season. What the real point of that would be, and how much you’d need to record new lines for, ranks it low on the “Worth It” scale, but still can you imagine

[river wing]

if you've a dash taht can atack behind, just keep dashing away.
like demeter, dio, ares

[tardy swan]

Well, I had zeus on my sword special and still died to them. welp I tried.

[half light]

or shield special, or spear multi-hit special

[half light]

very good idea, but the devs also handled it good sayig that ||demeter is still pissed at hades for hiding her daughter there and thats why you only see snow when you get out fo fight father dearest even if her perma winter on the world is gone||

[opal lodge]

find a nice barrier and dodge through it

repeat several times

[half light]

else you can buy flamewheel deterrent at the well of charon, get those bugs off ya for the tiny price of your soul

[opal lodge]

the flame wheels will self destruct

[half light]

also ||grandma is chill|| she is literally helping you beat ||dad|| up, if that aint the chillest ||granny||

[prime plover]

Flamewheels (like most enemies in the game) are meant to teach you about a boss’ mechanics, specifically Asterius’ charge. In other words, the way to deal with both of them is the same: dash through a pillar and let them explode on impact

Same with Chariots

[half light]

chariots are easy...

they get stunned so easily and dont do anything

in comparison to the normal hero souls, the chariots are nice

[prime plover]

Didn’t say they weren’t but they’re still intended to teach the player about the same boss attack

[tardy swan]

Huh.

[half light]

tru

[tardy swan]

I have little problems with the minotaur charge, but the flame wheels were always a huge challange

[half light]

seen enough on reddit complaining about chariots

because there were so many or why specifically kadse?

[prime plover]

Flame Wheels because they’re small might not hit the pillar on the first go around but they’ll never manuever around it

Also, it’s annoying because multiple dashable obstacles are traps in Elysium, sooo

That’s annoying

[tardy swan]

I did not know you could just run them into walls

[prime plover]

Yup!

[proven osprey]

teleporting flamewheels

[tardy swan]

so i tried to hit and dodge them

[proven osprey]

dark souls 3 feels

[half light]

hit em with the walls

[tardy swan]

will do from now on

[prime plover]

Also if you have Poseidon’s Aid just yeet them into walls, and they’ll explode that way

Any Poseidon boons can yeet them into walls actually

That’s just the safest one

[half light]

yeet em to the window, to the walls

i wish you could yeet enemies into the river and watch them get carried away with it

[prime plover]

Soul Catchers are still annoying to me but honestly they’re just a damage check. If they’re trouble, your build’s too weak

[half light]

imagine if you could yeet theseus into the river

[prime plover]

BULLHORN

[half light]

and just watch as he brods over notbeing able to swim

the only thing with soul catchers that i hate is that if you dont see the whole room you dont know how many there are

their butterflies all look the same

"yey i got the final soul catcher, gimme my rewa- there is one more."

[tardy swan]

Thesius is so full of hot air, he doesn't even need to swim.

If you take of his heavy belt he'd just float away.

[half light]

just because he floats doesnt mean he can swim

[prime plover]

Also I wanna use a Scythe. If we ever get a new weapon

It’s the obvious choice

[tardy swan]

With Thanatos aspect, I hope.

[half light]

blade chef aspect.

thats all i ever wanted

just for the memes and the fishies

[prime plover]

Yeah, Aspects should be Than, Persephone (agriculture, yo), and La Catrina for the hell of it

I spent way too long trying to think of a secret aspect F

[sullen valley]

...Is it possible to get at least 8 Olympian Boons, considering there's only 9?

[cunning urchin]

Yes, in theory.

[sullen valley]

Wait. Did 4th Shield Aspect always halve your God Gauge usage?

[turbid needle]

It shouldn't.

What's the rest of your kit?

[sullen valley]

I literally don't have anything else that could alter a Call, other than the Sigil.

Unless there was a Mirror of Night alteration I don't know of?

[sullen kayak]

Maybe you have Smoldering Air ? the duo boon of Zeus and Aphrodite ?

[cunning urchin]

Sigil was nerfed to two stocks.

[sullen valley]

Don't have Smoldering Air
And that makes sense.

rip

[still vigil]

so

i have a question about crit: how do different sources compile?

[cunning urchin]

Crit chance is additive. Bonus crit damage is additive.

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

Think that's all in there.

[sullen valley]

I have regrets in taking Family Favorite, got Demeter and Aphro Boons easily ouq

[cunning urchin]

It's only +15% over Family Favorite at the end of a typical run.

[sullen valley]

Ye, but I'd rather have Theseus and anything past get hit with a +40%

[tardy swan]

thanks for the tips again guys, tiny explosive meow chariots seem very managable now.

[cunning urchin]

Go get 'em! Or rather, go do not get got!

[sullen valley]

Ever heard of the game Exploding Kittens?

[tardy swan]

yes. 👀 It's pretty fun.

[cunning urchin]

Like Bright01 said earlier, though, there's good reason why Family Favorite is the default for speedruns and high heat.

You might have gotten Chill easily, but her core boons that apply Chill are also a lot weaker than other options.

[opal lodge]

priv status also only comes in when you dont need it on most builds

low tolerance chiron and crush shot hera are decent exceptions

[cunning urchin]

I think Lady Demeter has like no relevance in speedruns.

[opal lodge]

but even then i know most top runners dont take priv status for hera/beowulf

[cunning urchin]

Oh wait, I lied.

[opal lodge]

snow burst/rav will but otherwise yeah

her core boons are pretty meh

[cunning urchin]

She has two relevant boons, yeah.

None of which are core.

[proven osprey]

Frost strike

[opaque wren]

anyone know whats are some great boons to go with Arthur aspect?

[cunning urchin]

Frost Strike on Guan Yu is really good.

@opaque wren Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, Divine Strike.

[lime lynx]

Is it all about the damage, I finally finished the talos run I started yesterday and just picking damage everytime seems to do it. Also this is my fastest clear by far

[cunning urchin]

I like Heartbreak Strike the most.

Yeah, you definitely want very high DPS.

[trim shard]

what mirror and boons for chaos shield?

[cunning urchin]

There's some variety there, but learning to build for DPS is the right start.

[opaque wren]

@cunning urchin should I go for like Ares special for the extra 40%

[cunning urchin]

Especially if you want to do speedruns or high heat eventually.

@opaque wren not really, no.

[lime lynx]

This is already too fast for me haha, I can't imagine clearing in 5 mins like they do

they dont even break all pots in every room smh

[opaque hare]

what's the easiest and hardest weapon

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend is a very popular build on Excalibur.

[trim shard]

play eris rail free win imo

[cunning urchin]

Lol I don't do sub 8 either.

[lime lynx]

I think Arthur is also safe if you are new and struggle in Asphodel like me.

[cunning urchin]

Just getting to a point where you can do sub 15 consistently is really good, I would say.

[opaque wren]

i mean im on heat 13 for all my weapons atm, trying to get them all to 32

[lime lynx]

My fastest time was like 35 mins and is now 25 😒

[opaque wren]

I have builds I like for all my other weapons, but Im struggling to find a sword one I like

[lime lynx]

And I only plan on playing gloves until I unlock some of the 'useless trinkets'

[cunning urchin]

Eris, Hestia, Chiron, Rama, and Excalibur are all outstanding for 32 and below.

[proven osprey]

(and tempest strike Guan Yu)

(just a bit below in the tier list)

[cunning urchin]

Stop taking my joke too far.

[lime lynx]

heat 32 and below?

[opaque wren]

Ive always used Deadly special for Guan Yu

[proven osprey]

Never 🙂

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur falls off at higher heats, yeah.

The others are still top tier.

[lime lynx]

It does feel too slow but is like easy mode as I get too stressed out in Asphodel.

[opaque wren]

How high do the heats go for rewards? does it go all the way to max or does it stop at some point?

[cunning urchin]

20 in normal mode.

25 in hell mode.

[opaque wren]

oh wow. so besides skellys max reward and pushing your self, no real reason to go past 20 heat in normal?

[proven osprey]

Past 20 makes you feel alive

[half light]

it gives some additional dialogue

[proven osprey]

until you don't feel anything

[half light]

do you need a dusa hug?

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-dusa-cute-adorable-gif-19139329

[tardy swan]

How does dusa even hug?

[half light]

coming in with hugs and cuddles

her snakes

[mellow sierra]

she hugs you with stone

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-hug-you-cant-feel-it-but-its-there-gif-8158817

She hugs like this.

You can't feel it, but it's there.

[mellow sierra]

you guys doing some speed runs 🙂 ?

[half light]

hmm reminds me of the body dialogue

i wonder if the devs had something in mind with it

[proven osprey]

I'm a solid contender in death%

[mellow sierra]

@proven osprey

[opal lodge]

as far as i know i'm the five fish world record holder nbd

[lime lynx]

Five fish?

[opal lodge]

catch five fish as fast as possible

[lime lynx]

in one run?

[opal lodge]

can be in as many as you need

just need to catch five fish

[lime lynx]

what's the record?

I catch like 3 fish every run

[opal lodge]

16 minutes or something RTA

[lime lynx]

oh ok then yea I haven't

I have caught like 100 fish in 15 mins though

~~ in animal crossing ~~

[mellow sierra]

heavy knuckle build pretty good?

[bronze marten]

i gotta say, the Arthur sword feels very similar to playing ganondorf in smash

[weak violet]

Not really

[cosmic hornet]

i never liked heavy knuckle because my fist builds usually revolves around fast attacks

but i havent tried it since the buff

[cunning urchin]

Heavy Knuckle is pretty good. Especially nice on Talos.

[cosmic hornet]

artemis attack?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

She can get you Fully Loaded, Mirage Shot, etc., and the crits benefit from Talos's debuff. It's a good combo.

[weak violet]

You guys know a good build for Beowulf? Cuz it seems like it work as the sames as Hera

Since usually people would go for the dio cast on Hera and it does some good damage

[opal lodge]

dio cast is actually better on beowulf than it is on hera

[weak violet]

Huh

[opal lodge]

since hera struggles with big mobs sometimes and beowulf just doesn't

so you can safely run stygian soul

[weak violet]

Yeah that makes sense

Gracias, Beowulf expert

[opal lodge]

tbh on hera i dont think anything comes close to crush shot

[weak violet]

Although, what would be some good hammers on it?

Most likely just sudden rush and pierce shot?

[static karma]

for beowulf is dio cast or aphro cast better

[weak violet]

Cuz thats what i run for like Chaos

[opal lodge]

subject of a lot of controversy

yeah sudden rush and charge shot are both S-tier hammers

i personally like dashing wallop a lot but that's more of a speedrun thing

dio cast is probably a lot more popular if i were to guess but aphro cast has the WR by like 20 seconds

[weak violet]

Hm, so do i put either Aphro/Ares/Demeter attack and special and use privileged status?

[opal lodge]

for which cast build?

[weak violet]

Dio cast

[opal lodge]

the idea is you start dio, hopefully see poseidon/artemis in tartarus and then force whichever one you dont see in asphodel

[weak violet]

Aight

[opal lodge]

and then shoot for mirage shot