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#h1-builds-and-combat
wooden gyro
its true
what keepsake should i pick for elysium tho
i had zeus then poseidon and now
past verge
Which weapon/aspect pairs best with an Aphrodite/ares(or dio) build
untold stag
what does sure footing do in the hades fight
untold stag
not the skull explosions?
dry ember
No
untold stag
cool, thanks
severe ingot
i just got the most disgusting build
hollow schooner
Good boons for the shield? Zeus aspect
severe ingot
basically special dmg and crit
with the gun
i killed second face hades in like 6 specials
hollow schooner
So Demeter/Artemis
severe ingot
demeter was just for the slow and it rly didnt do that much
i wish geforce expierence worked dammit
cosmic hornet
eris is bonkers, ye
wooden gyro
its a highroll run tho im pretty sure
cosmic hornet
it is
but you can get the zeus package pretty consistently
rare kindle
I see sea storm, looks like a good build
opal lodge
sea storm overrated
no breaking wave 2/10
honestly though that looks like pretty standard speedrun fare outside of those slightly questionable hammers
dry ember
im in styx with this and eris is that good ?
no, missing Hades keepsake
wooden gyro
no, missing Hades keepsake
i dont have unlocked it its the only i dont have
do u know how ?
severe ingot
prolly the way u get all keepsakes
dry ember
You need to get to either the end credit or the epilogue.
So just keep playing and clearing
there is no hidden way to do it except completing enough run/story.
Eventually you will be able to gift Hades more nectars.
wooden gyro
so i need to run and clear with all weapons or smthing ?
i have finished it one only time
not more
wooden gyro
10 to styx or end ?
dry ember
End. ||aka you need to talk to Persephone 10 times, then you will see the end credit||
wooden gyro
ohhh isee thank u thats a bit difficult for a begginer player but its ok
thanks a lot for this
still vigil
so those who use gilga like gods, how do you offset the dodge delay(?) it has?
severe ingot
are all the hiden aspects of the weapons out?
dry ember
ohhh isee thank u thats a bit difficult for a begginer player but its ok
first clear is usually the hardest. subsequent ones will be much easier
you will see.
dry ember
are all the hiden aspects of the weapons out?
yes
still vigil
it seems like everytime i use dodge on it, it seems to have this...pause before it actually registers
severe ingot
ye i got my first clear and i didnt get my second one right after cuz i did a mandatory full heat run
dry ember
lul the rite of passage
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/783115782800015360/unknown.png time for a surprise round of seeing if people can guess what this is from memory
severe ingot
the triple spear thing?
solid cairn
let me get a better image
solid cairn
u right
dry ember
yay
solid cairn
solid cairn
DAMN IT
dry ember
did i get it?
dry ember
yay im getting better lol
solid cairn
cosmic hornet
the extra damage on block?
solid cairn
final answer?
dry ember
yeah
solid cairn
wrong
proven osprey
I only know one hammer lol
solid cairn
ferocious guard isn't just the shield
in that icon zagreus holds it
but yeah I really don't know how this relates to empowering flight
cosmic hornet
which one is empowering flight again
solid cairn
more damage after you special
it's like one of the most forgettable hammers
empowering flight and dashing flight, the forgettable brothers
dry ember
dry ember
if someone tells me this is dread flight
ill buy it
like seriously
how is this not dread flight
dry ember
dry ember
very
solid cairn
this could be anything
cosmic hornet
i wonder what that is
dry ember
lmao
cosmic hornet
uhhh
bullrush powershot
solid cairn
sturdy defense
dry ember
tsh tsh
solid cairn
fug
dry ember
Unyielding Defense
solid cairn
damn this is my weapon
dry ember
you guys suck
solid cairn
I failed
dry ember
not that easy after all huh
solid cairn
beo really got shafted with its hammer
cosmic hornet
its alright imo
could be worse
dry ember
could be snap nova
proven osprey
almost as good as winged serpent
solid cairn
dry ember
have someone tested sturdy weak and other damage reduction stuff?
opal lodge
chain skewer?
proven osprey
chain skewer
dry ember
are they additive?
solid cairn
yeah that one was easy
cosmic hornet
bounce spear
dry ember
if they are additive can we get 100% reduction
cosmic hornet
werent they multiplicative?
dry ember
idk, that's what im asking
cosmic hornet
otherwise you can easily get 90% just from ||arthur|| aphro hermes
solid cairn
even on hera losing out on power shots is pretty significant
solid cairn
I know this because the hammers have a color scheme
cosmic hornet
everytime people say explosive shot
i auromatically think in terms of ||rama||
solid cairn
oh god on rama it's abysmal
cosmic hornet
...isnt it pretty good though?
opal lodge
the only time i took explosive was on a diogenes run
dry ember
opal lodge
made it to dad somehow
dry ember
Someone was lazy
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/783119630117109810/unknown.png notice the distinct colorxs
opal lodge
twin explosive makes it feel like rama
solid cairn
don't ask me why concentrated fire is there
it was on the wiki and I downloaded every image
also it's one off of being a perfect rectangle
which I hate
cosmic hornet
lucifer needs one more hammer
btw
i tried FO2 bull and twink yesterday
couldnt react to the bull’s spin startup and he blended me to death lol
solid cairn
lucifer privilege smh
cosmic hornet
is it reactable or should i just keep my distance
cosmic hornet
ok
cosmic hornet
guess i need to look for it now instead of relying on instinctive dodge
cosmic hornet
of course
dry ember
Will Zag blend?
solid cairn
dry ember
hey now, they also know shadow slash
solid cairn
just the first hit?
solid cairn
stabby boi?
turbid needle
So, I'm playing on switch... i'm using the normal dual sticks with the holder that it came with.
I'm asking about Power A controller vs the Nintendo Pro Controller... how close is the Power A to the Pro? and how much of a game upgrade is it over the normal controller?
severe ingot
does olympian favour cap out?
static karma
Any tips for spear builds, particularly hades aspect
Spear is my worst weapon
My last to clear as well as my last to get to 8 heat
I got the 8 heat clear but have lower bounties to fill for spear lol
opal lodge
hades can be hard
the tough part is your damage is really good in tartarus but will fall off unless you get a decently strong attack (aphro/artemis usually preferred) or go for like merciful end which is kind of weird
serrated point helps a lot
undone anvil
quick spin and/or massive spin from Daedalus helps a lot with Hades aspect I find
it's the weapon I've gotten most clears with
static karma
Is Achilles better? I tried it and it felt weird, I’m not in the test for the new update thing
I don’t have as many levels in Achilles
Not sure if it’s worth putting blood into
rare kindle
Achilles is a cast weapon, pretty much
opal lodge
achilles is quite good
"better" is a pretty useless term unless you have certain objectives
because if your goal is just to win any spear but zag is pretty well equipped for it
and even zag can be good it just doesnt have as many things going for it as the other 3
static karma
How do I use secret spear? I never used it bc the HP reduction scares me
rare kindle
I don't plan to use it unless it's fully upgraded
and I have lots of other weapons I want to upgrade first
weak violet
Just got Rama, any good builds for it?
sonic mural
artemis attack, aphro special, => heartrend
weak violet
Hm, how about a build for the Guan Yu?
zealous light
How do I use secret spear? I never used it bc the HP reduction scares me
Trust the hammers. You want some combination of 1. Quick Spin (Faster Charge Attack) 2. Flaring Spin (Sturdy Charge Attack with damaging pulses) 3. Massive Spin (Larger Charge Attack with more damage) 4. Winged Serpent (Charge Attack's hurricane from Guan Yu goes farther and lasts longer)
I had a run where I finished with full health every single encounter where I got Quick Spin and Massive Spin and just build around my attack and cast for boons and basically launched a flurry of the Guan Yu charge hurricanes. Build ended up centered around curses and backstab bonuses and the hurricane things Guan Yu shoots with the charge attack were getting backstab bonus once they passed through enemies halfway.
I still went out of my way for centaur hearts/souls because even with the reduced maximum HP gains I wanted to have a decent health pool. I finished just over 100 somewhere.
Another thing to note about Guan Yu is that the special has no second part you just shoot. Which can be useful sometimes? I still prefer the aspects with retrieval for the free backstab though.
opal lodge
GY you can just special from afar
health doesnt matter when you have a 45 base dmg harpoon
zealous light
Shoot and Retrieve can be awkward sometimes when you're trying to dash around and not get hit. Guan Yu special could be useful in those situations.
opal lodge
depending on how comfy you feel with enemy animations the optimal attack sequence for it is Dash attack x2-> special
spin hammers are nice but honestly i dont spin at all on GY
zealous light
It got pretty bonkers with enough weakness and chill floating around and just 2-3 hurricanes on screen at any one point.
Even partially charged ones are handy with Massive Spin.
weak violet
Y’all know a good build for Talos?
gloomy zenith
can you reroll a god's boons into a duo if you meet the prerequisites
river wing
yes
zealous light
Although I'm fairly certain that re-rolling still can't get duos in trials. I'm pretty sure duos are hard locked out from trials?
sonic mural
unless they're not from both gods combined
zealous light
Ah
sonic mural
like if theyres poseidon-zeus trial, you could still get poseidon-artemis
zealous light
That makes sense.
Since they wouldn't be joining hands so soon after vying for your affection.
thorny dirge
Question: You can get Duos in trials, just not between the two gods in the trial / but only after rerolling
Result: Busted
Explanation: You CANNOT get duos in trials, regardless of if the duo god is the other trial god or not. Rerolls do not change this. I did not test with legendary boons.
from speedrunning discord
static karma
So does Artemis or Aphrodite do more damage on average for attack/special for fast attacks assuming no chaos boosts and if Aphrodite does more without chaos what’s the minimum chaos boost or other damage boost that makes Artemis do more damage than Aphrodite
weak violet
Yo whats the max percent for the God’s Legacy mirror skill?
sullen valley
turbid needle
@weak violet That's increased Legendary/Duos?
weak violet
Yeah
turbid needle
10%.
weak violet
Ah ok
But man, Theseus really let himself go
Although, since I already got the “Persephone Returned” ending and all the hidden aspects except for the malphons, how do I get the companions?
sullen valley
What are you on about, my man can shoot bullets from his shield
opal lodge
thats really funny
sullen valley
apparently
opal lodge
you should put that in tech support though
weak violet
I need a build for Talos cuz i already maxed it out 
sullen valley
Honestly I used Talos like, one time after 1.0 came out, and it got me a run win
clever matrix
hey does anyone know if hermes keepsake has a max amount of dodge chance u can get
like a limit
rare kindle
You need to give some people ambrosia
clever matrix
or is it unlimited
opal lodge
it should be unlimited as long as you clear encounters quickly
static karma
Hermes keepsake doesnt count styx rooms
sullen valley
I'm pretty sure it's as much as the number of chambers acquired. If there was a limit, it would specify.
rare kindle
||Meg, Than, Skelly, Achilles, Sisyphus, Dusa||
sullen valley
Also what Bacc said
clever matrix
ah ok ty all!
sullen valley
Say uh
static karma
Well it counts the final styx room of each chamber
sonic mural
why run em3 at 13 heat?
sonic mural
em3 is such a big jump tho
static karma
I’m practicing it too
weak violet
Yet they won’t give me the option to give them ambrosia in which is only unlockable by friendship with nectar?
static karma
But I feel like for 16 heat I want EM3 once I try it
I don’t want to touch approval process or heightened security or anything like that
rare kindle
Heightened security is the worst
sonic mural
benefits package aint too bad
rare kindle
100 damage spear traps in Elysium
static karma
Highest I’ve cleared is 11 with fists so far, 8 with everything else tho so take my words with a massive grain of salt
I like convenience fee
rare kindle
enjoy being oneshot by traps
turbid needle
Heightened Security is either a free point of Heat or the equivalent of 15.
rare kindle
it's the most painful one heat
turbid needle
Convenience Fee hurts more for me.
static karma
I think it’s very painful for one heat, yeah
I know someone who doesn’t run heightened security at 32 heat
They prefer EM4
turbid needle
rare kindle
Convenience fee I don't mind as much because I try to not spend a ton at shops anyway and try to only buy stuff from well of charon
sonic mural
i wish there was a practice tool in this game
where u could just determine enemies to fight and put them on a field
sullen valley
Just wanna make sure, Divine Dash or Sure Footing? Styx
static karma
Divine Dash if you aren’t using heightened security
cosmic hornet
divine dash most of the time
sullen valley
Yep, that sounds about right
static karma
If you have tidal dash already and are offered a replacement that may be different
cosmic hornet
heightened security is a scam
static karma
1 heat to get one shot at the final boss? No thanks
But yeah sure footing only really does anything vs vases after Styx
static karma
How does it affect poison
How does sure footing affect it now that I think about it? Is poison considered a trap
I think lava is?
turbid needle
I think poison is enemy damage.
cosmic hornet
either it does nothing or increase the delay before the first proc
rare kindle
but the poison vents
river wing
pretty sure poison is considered as trap damage
sure footing/heighten security should affect it?
the one on the floor at least
turbid needle
hunting blades r cool
ripe glade
my fastest run.. by complete accident.. cause I was still noob was the Giglames Aspect on fists.. with the Maim thing... knockback on special.. and the killer was I got the 'Rush Kick' from the Dud hammer...
slam enemies against walls and they just exploded
sullen valley
Me, with 6 Artemis boons, 8 Epic Boons, 3(4 counting Aspect) Damage-upgrade boons, 4 Crit-based boons, 4 Cast-based boons "Alright, Boss-Reward Artemis, what else can you even offer m-"
Epic Clean Kill
"Destroys throat"
ripe glade
yeah... I kinda lean towards Epic boons when they are offereed.. even when I don't wan them...
but I do find.. you end up with an Epic build
trying to force a build is hard.. but letting the game offer you a build.. I find I end up with some Epic games.. 😄
ripe glade
just go with it.. I even turn down trial of the gods room... the game tries to push you toward making choices...
sometimes you think you want...
go the other way.. you end up with Epic builds.. especially on high heat levels
sullen valley
Oh no, I see Boon room, and I say
ripe glade
lol
sullen valley
"Sorry, Aphrodite, I got an Epic Hermes boon, I don't think you're gonna catch me today!"
-Me, shortly before making Solid Snake electrocution noises
ripe glade
I've been playing that I try to keep my highest heat on each weapon..
so if I get to a certain heat level on a weapon... I do it for them all
sullen valley
For now I'm just picking whatever weapon has Dark Thirst
Helps me keep my skills in weapons in check
and allows me to see what work and what wouldn't for whatever weapon, if a question comes up
pseudo stream
Huh. Any advice for nemesis? Just took down heat 13 and I felt kinda... piddly
(Also it’s funny how following dark thirst can end up with some weapons at 20, and another at 13)
opal lodge
deadly strike + hunter dash will carry you far
go for chaos dash strike boons
standard athena-aphro-artemis god pool can be very good depending on the duos you want
opal lodge
just lies on lies in this channel huh
robust anchor
if a weapon has innate crit then art attack is less efficient than aph attack
this is not a lie
turbid needle
honestly feels like it
opal lodge
falls off hard in ely and styx
you may have more up front damage but it falls off later
robust anchor
how
opal lodge
hunter dash also equalizes odds a lot more
pseudo stream
Yeah I went Aph, I’d also be happy with Demeter or maybe Athena
robust anchor
did you do the math?
turbid needle
feels like arte attack falls off hard at least w nemesis
robust anchor
if a weapon has innate crit, you want better base dmg
pseudo stream
Do you want to make your special good at all? I found I felt more like fists than I’m used to with swords
opal lodge
for nemesis?
pseudo stream
Squares are the biggest rectangles (for a given perimeter), yeah they’re right
opal lodge
your special is just to get duos/apply status
robust anchor
somebody did the math for us
seems like with nemesis, art attack is inferior :((
robust anchor
Do you want to make your special good at all? I found I felt more like fists tha...
you can disregard the special boon. it just enables synergies or enable the crit for attack :)
pseudo stream
That’s... not a great argument, though
robust anchor
i was just trying to use some math sorry :(
pseudo stream
Yeah I slapped Athena on there and had the double special thing cuz all the other options were bad, maybe that was my problem
No “:)”, you did great and were right don’t worry
turbid needle
hey what's the best cast/build in general for hera bow
Daedalus never wants to give me double edge
pseudo stream
Which one is double edge?
heavy sigil
Are there any guides to the best Daedalus upgrades for weapons?
Since I only know of some being good and want to know other peoples opinions on others
opal lodge
if you want an actual answer it's because it's much easier to get to near 100% effective crit chance on nem with deadly strike and artemis boons
and crits are broken in this game
robust anchor
you dont need 100% crit
opal lodge
for nemesis it's double edge > piercing wave/breaching slash > the rest
robust anchor
as you can see, on average aph attack does more damage
opal lodge
that's without any additional support boons
heavy sigil
Which would be better to basically start a run with
Explosive shot, point blank shot or flurry shot
robust anchor
on what aspect
heavy sigil
Zag (don't have aspects unlocked yet)
opal lodge
point blank or flurry would probably be your best bet
although twin/triple are probably the two hammers you want the most with zag bow
opal lodge
an additional consideration for nem is that you're usually gunning for heart rend, but also want hunter dash
opal lodge
with heartbreak strike that means you have to pick up two artemis boons that arent heart rend without forcing
whereas with deadly you need one natural aphro
pseudo stream
What’s heart tend?
opal lodge
artemis/aphrodite duo boon
crits are worth 4.5x damage instead of 3x damage
both are probably fine
depending on what your objective is
pseudo stream
Ahhh heart rend could also make Artemis attack better
opal lodge
well heart rend is good for both
the issue is that with heartbreak strike you need deadly flourish and hunter dash to get to where you want to be
whereas starting with deadly strike puts artemis in your pool early
if you don't really care about going fast it doesnt really matter which one you start with
cosmic hornet
...oh this logic also applies to ME stuff right?
so you want to start with athena?
celest solar
The best weapon for all occasion turns out to be aspect of poseidon
opal lodge
...oh this logic also applies to ME stuff right?
so you want to start with athen...
haha so ME is weird
celest solar
that cast dislodge damage is too good, and so easy to get and use
opal lodge
if you're trying to consistently get it athena start is probably better
but you're trying to go fast you need ares for the up front damage
opal lodge
yeah
celest solar
which only requires Artemis' boon, and nothing else, which means you are guaranteed your combo
opal lodge
i used to do a lot of ME fists runs
it is triggering
exit wounds poseidon sword is very good synergy yeah
artemis in general is very good for cast weapons
celest solar
and it stays great for high heats
because you only need so little boons, you can easily discard any boons at the purging of every stage without worries
and the poms will ensure that you get to level them up all the time
you also don't worry about daedalus boons anymore
cosmic hornet
i tried artemis poseidon aspect
it feels amazing on bosses but clearing crowd is a bit iffy
celest solar
because vast dislodge will be your best and only source of damage
clear it with artemis or athena, get flurry shot support for hermes
i just need to press cast and run away with Artemis' cast
static karma
Started my first Guan Yu run (maxed it out first). So far I'm in Styx, lost 2 death defiances to the heroes
the strength of that aspect is the special
the "healing spin" is garbage
at least that's my take on it so far
Healing spin makes me take way more damage than the pitiful amount I heal
celest solar
and if you get hermes auto recall then it's really just shootin blindly for clearing crowds
opal lodge
the healing spin is a trap imo
celest solar
ive beaten hades at medium heat 10+ without any attack, special and dash boons
opal lodge
i dont know why people build for spin guan yu
static karma
Guan Yu's real speciality is having a special that isn't garbage
it has longer range than the rail I think
stark ore
Well you see if you spec Divine Strike, get Quick + Massive Spin, and make sure to only spin for attacks then you basically get a worse Divine Dash 😤
river wing
i wish guan yu attack/spin was better.
cosmic hornet
guan yu is just the 5th bow
stark ore
Skewer is a better spin than the spin
celest solar
and keeping Artemis' boon means you have high chance of getting her legendary +2 cast, which will even make poseidon aspect even crazier
stark ore
Funny how Zag spear is meant to be the special-based aspect but GY just completely topples it
celest solar
the best part i guess is it works well even at high heat 30+
because at 36 heat, things start getting really difficult
opal lodge
have you done 36 heat poseidon? that's pretty impressive
celest solar
Athena's cast will deal the most damage but Artemis' cast will ensure that you never miss a hit
yup ive done all weapon 36, except guan yu lol
some heat must be heavily avoided
like 60% speed, that is crazy
stark ore
Just take HL5 and never take hearts, you'll die in one hit anyway so it's free heat
celest solar
it will ensure you can't outrun the bull dash
opal lodge
FO3 speeders
cosmic hornet
zooming kamikaze chariots and skulls
opal lodge
quite scary
celest solar
but with poseidon aspect, i can use more of the "purge 1 boon every stage" more easily without worry
homing missiles is also scary, like playing ikaruga
anyway, the point is Poseidon aspect is the most useful and consistent all round, it's not the best for speed run, but it's th3 best for almost everything else
easy to set up, easy to use, consistently powerful
static karma
this is my first time trying it, the only thing it has going for it is the special
the health reduction is just too much like why
did test branch buff guan yu
celest solar
spear best boon is honestly the "serrated point"
celest solar
flurry is good but not as good as serrated
river wing
nah. it's just as good
stark ore
Serrated and Flurry is actually terrible imo, Flurry on its own is reliable and Serrated can be decent but put together it's just eh
celest solar
because serrated is 3 hit, if you can dash hit 3x its already 9 hits
celest solar
you can't get 9 hits with flurry dats easily without staying stationary and getting hit by boss
static karma
Ended my 5 win streak RIP
Any tips on Guan Yu? I need to get the prophecy
stark ore
Serrated's dash range isn't even a problem for me, it's just that it can take a lot of time to dash-strike so I often get hit a ton
river wing
deadly flourish + charged skewer on gy is easy win
stark ore
Ended my 5 win streak RIP
Any tips on Guan Yu? I need to get the prophecy
Spec into special, Artemis builds with Charged Skewer tends to get the job done
celest solar
then you have chaos that and artemis that boost dash strike
opal lodge
flurry is better than serrated
celest solar
and you will get really powerful serrated point
opal lodge
the only reason why you take serrated is because flurry cant be offered on guan yu and hades
stark ore
Flurry is more reliable imo but it's def more for an aggressive kind of playstyle
celest solar
nah flurry aint better, too stationary, and slower than serrated
ive gotten those 2 boons at the same time
stark ore
Really? In my eyes Serrated always felt slower but that's just me
opal lodge
you know you can dash during the flurry jabs right
static karma
This is the first time I died before getting the sack in a while
celest solar
dash strike twice is very common and easy, and its already 6 hit
river wing
getting both at the same time makes flurry bad
stark ore
Yeah Flurry and Serrated doesn't mix well at all, kinda removes the "Flurry" part if you dash-strike a lot
celest solar
you can't flurry as fast without having to gamble on getting hermes 30% attack
opal lodge
what lol
river wing
nani
celest solar
i mran dashing strike twice is 6 hits
opal lodge
why would you take swift strike with flurry jab anyway
stark ore
Dash-strikes can't breach enemies iirc and Flurry always buffers a jab if you press attack no matter what so Flurry's better for stuff like chariots
celest solar
to flurry 6 hits at the same amt of time, you need at least hermes 30% attack speed
and even then its still slower than dash striking twice
opal lodge
yes but you also have to dash attack, which is just worse on spear, in addition to giving up a dash, which is bad on any weapon
im not saying serrated is bad
celest solar
and the moment you can dash strike 3x, there is no way you can hits 9x in a second
opal lodge
it just comes with major baggage that flurry jab doesnt
celest solar
dash attack has a lot of boon on artemis and it also does the attack boon like zeus
stark ore
It's stronger dash-strikes or more dash-strikes and personally I like more dash-strikes better
celest solar
chaos also boost dash attack
river wing
and we're not saying that serrated is bad. we know it's good.
just think that your comparism for flurry vs serrated is kinda
celest solar
i got my fastest spear speed with serrated, very hard to get even close with flurry
i mean flurry is good
opal lodge
not to be that guy but what's your fastest spear speed
bablo's 7 minute zag spear time is with flurry jab
stark ore
It comes down to preference at the end of the day, I think Demeter is terrible and Vicious Skewer is amazing so I clearly have my own controversial biases 
celest solar
but if you get serrated, it just beats the dps even more
opal lodge
the fastest achilles time is with flurry jab
losing the dash range is even worse if we're talking speed
stark ore
My personal gripe with Serrated is that it just leaves you wide open for a bit, probably good in the right hands though
celest solar
maybe in terms of speed run yes, because its at a certain heat
but on higher heat, serrated will perform more consistently better
i cant get that insane speed, but with serrated i manage to hit 9 mins
celest solar
any faster is just so hard
opal lodge
hey look it looks like youve found your hammer and i'm happy for you
celest solar
heh thanks, back to poseidon baby
trim shard
whats the best build for chiron bow?
static karma
What are the best hammers with secret spear
are secret weapon aspect names spoilers here
river wing
chiron works very well with dio or artimis special.
aphro attack.
trying to go for the dou
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not spoiler here.
best hammer is charged skewer
that in combination with deadly flourish is usually an easy victory for lower heats
"easy" that is.
serrated point is also very strong. but it can be hard to play with small dash.
gy's base dash attack is much higher than normal spear. so it does big damage
heavy sigil
If theoretically you could stack two boons of the same type together
what combo would be the most insane
woven delta
How exactly would Merciful End work on that
dry ember
idk, but if ME isn't activated on one strike then it is on the next
woven delta
Would it just trigger the Doom instantly on the same attack that inflicted it or would it only trigger the Doom on the next attack
dry ember
so it really doesn't matter
woven delta
I'm leaning towards the latter myself
static karma
So I'm trying for my first guan yu clear, does this have any chance vs final boss?
heavy sigil
Knowing my play style I am either going to hate or love fists painfully so when I unlock them
static karma
Ah ok, I have Athena's call too that should help hopefully
dry ember
Knowing my play style I am either going to *hate* or love fists painfully so whe...
do you like being really aggressive and rely on stunlock to destroy enemies? do you like meleeing bosses, relying mostly on dash i-frames to melt their health? fists is your weapon.
dry ember
all my builds just turn into spam dash and win
that's the secret of the game, really. almost everything abuses dash strike in the game
hard to not to do that when you have dashes with i-frames.
static karma
static karma
Can this beat final boss you think
heavy sigil
to HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE projectile
dry ember
This is more of a flex than a question 😄
static karma
It's my most commonly taken boon
I hope I don't lose
max HP is way lower than I'd like
but you know, Guan Yu
static karma
All right, it's late so I'll tackle him tomorrow, I feel a bit more confident, even if I just reach the surface I get 2 ambrosia out of the prophecy
and since I just got the sack I have that prophecy locked down
if all I need to do is reach Hades
not beat him with the guan yu
spiral tree
aspect of chaos is insane
static karma
I don't like how chaos shield plays that much but I don't have it maxed
static karma
More OP than Eris rail?
opal lodge
its just really, really, really safe
spiral tree
you kill everything on screen while not taking any damage
static karma
Guan Yu's healing spin feels like a meme
spiral tree
can't get better than that lol
dry ember
can't get better than that lol
yeah but how long does that take?
sturdy scaffold
chiron is probably my favorite aspect so far tbh
dry ember
Eris can wipe the floor in 5s
static karma
but I haven't mastered it yet
spiral tree
rama bow is arguably the best
river wing
divine dash, athena aid, deadly charged skewers. im sure you got it.
sturdy scaffold
I havent unlocked it yet but I of have it revealed
static karma
I hope so, this is my second tiem ever using guan yu
spiral tree
anything better than doom?
dry ember
what builds yall use with aspect of chaos?
Curse of Agony, Thunder Flourish
dry ember
what builds do people use with Rama
Triple/Twin Shot + Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash/Divine Dash
opaque hare
Is it just me or hermes shows up more at asphodel and elysium than at tartarus
dry ember
Is it just me or hermes shows up more at asphodel and elysium than at tartarus
it's designed that way
i think you can only buy Hermes in Tartarus?
you can't find him
cunning urchin
I'd take Flurry Jab over Serrated Point at high heat without a second thought on Achilles.
dry ember
apparently flurry lightning strike is the hot stuff in speedrunning
cunning urchin
Exactly lol.
dry ember
at least experimental
cunning urchin
Relying on Dash-Strikes for DPS makes things a lot harder, especially if your Dash distance is also nerfed.
storm atlas
does anyone know if the Sea Storm duo boon (Zeus/Poseidon) somehow negates Razor Shoals, or did I stumble upon a bug?
it was showing the rupture animation below the enemies, but taking no additional damage
cunning urchin
Take RI3, and the Serrated Point dream is dead.
opal lodge
lamb was right
cunning urchin
Bug for sure. Keep in mind they have to actually move to take damage.
opal lodge
the same person who coded blinding flash probably bugged razor shoals too
storm atlas
huh, i don't think i realized that?
opal lodge
they do need to move to take damage
storm atlas
i might just be dumb then
yeah, sure enough "victim takes damage while moving"
derp
i was mostly in satyrville with that, with a lot of... unmoving enemies
alrighty, thanks for the insight. i'll read more carefully next time
cunning urchin
Owl Pendant for Divine Strike or Divine Dash.
opal lodge
merciful end
dry ember
Lightning strike only
heavy sigil
What god even is merciful end?
river wing
🌩️
cunning urchin
Owl Pendant will let you build for Merciful End, Deadly Reversal, or Lightning Strike along the way.
static karma
Athena is also a very useful goddess in general
Divine Dash, etc
Can restore a death defiance sometimes if needed
heavy sigil
Divine strike and hunter dash
cunning urchin
Need True Shot or Deadly Flourish to unlock Deadly Reversal.
heavy sigil
any hammers I should be lookin for?
cunning urchin
Breaching Cross.
Anything else that's for Attack is good. Breaching Cross is unparalleled.
opal lodge
"it's strong" is the understatement of this patch for ME
im a zeus fists guy myself too now
dont get me wrong
heavy sigil
holy hell tisiphone is getting melted
dry ember
It's still kinda hard to get
opal lodge
but when ME is online it's online
dry ember
My only gripe with it
cunning urchin
Of course it's online when it's online.
opal lodge
dry ember
But is it online?
cunning urchin
It could be away.
opal lodge
im angy 😠
cunning urchin
Or busy.
opal lodge
didnt know dad auditions were today
cunning urchin
Nice try. I have way too many fans. 
opal lodge
wait did you already do boonless mirrorless 32 for sword btw
cunning urchin
I did only one boonless mirrorless at 32.
dry ember
Nice try. I have way too many fans. <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>
Do you have anyone else other than fans?
cunning urchin
5/6 RI4 32, though.
opal lodge
ah ok
cunning urchin
Well, Malphon was 33 in the Blood Price beta.
I'll redo it in 1.0 after I did shield.
Should be easy with Draining Cutter buffs and the one true Malphon build that @heavy sigil is currently using.
heavy sigil
:p
opal lodge
anyway auraseven merciful end is very strong
if you are willing to give it a shot you will faceroll your way to several wins on any fists
dry ember
If you get it online
cunning urchin
I miss when Hunter Dash could unlock Deadly Reversal.
opal lodge
you can also do it on any aspect technically but that may spark some contention in here
it is certainly less effective on some weapons
cunning urchin
You can faceroll 0–20 Heat with Divine Strike and nothing else.
opal lodge
fists or sword definitely have the strongest case for ME builds
opal lodge
divine strike or ME?
because ME is definitely just
find extra dashes
and then mash buttons
cunning urchin
You're right. My build takes the most skill, and only the best players like me can pull it off.
dry ember
Divine Strike
dry ember
Yeah. Heavy is getting buffed. Right now it's a bit mediocre.
cunning urchin
I wouldn't want to take Heavy Knuckle for Divine Strike. Maybe in the current test branch, haven't tried it. You want fast startup on your Attack, though, to easily deflect incoming attacks.
cunning urchin
Nice. Try to get Storm Lightning to unlock his legendary. 
Static Discharge is also very nice.
heavy sigil
that is a lot of damage
Jolted acquired
Wait
Static discharge or storm lightning?
dry ember
Tough choice
heavy sigil
went with storm
dry ember
Yeah I don't think there is a right answer there
Storm is the more high rolling choice
cunning urchin
Storm Lightning gives you a chance to see Static Discharge or Splitting Bolt. Static Discharge only gives you a chance to see Storm Lightning.
heavy sigil
1 hit and I would have 1 still but nope
fists are really really fun
but I'm terrible at bossing with em
I'mma unlocks aspects in a sec
cunning urchin
Practice.
heavy sigil
Not like I've had much time to
Colossus or concentrated knuckle
also have the cutting drainer choice but I never use my special tbh :p
heavy sigil
Loightnin strike
cunning urchin
Colossus.
Concentrated Knuckle benefits more from % modifiers like Divine Strike.
opal lodge
colossus is amazing
cunning urchin
That gives you a lot of eHP together with Colossus Knuckle.
heavy sigil
oh also a rare bronze skin
cunning urchin
Sure. Take that.
cunning urchin
The best thing about Colossus Knuckle when they added it is that you're less likely to see Quake Cutter.
The worst thing about it is that you're less likely to see Breaching Cross.
dry ember
Equip Acorn and hope for the best?
young ether
Get acorn when you hit Styx
heavy sigil
100% for that
all I can hope for is an athena
PATROC
THANK YOU
YES
Please let me not screw this boss up this time
Okay
got it
only 1 DD used
- I have the dion fountain thing
so I got health
cunning urchin
Get 'em!
cunning urchin
You'll want to take as few tunnels as possible if you're just worried about making it out.
Makes it easier since you'll have full HP.
cunning urchin
Well, there's only one fountain in the Temple of Styx.
heavy sigil
I know
like I'll take as many as I need to get the sack and leave
and hopefully have enough time for ||dad||
have the chance for the dion zues duo
I have the festive grenade
so that's nice?
cunning urchin
Sure, why not.
heavy sigil
got the more damage after defiance thing from Ares so that's good
and also an Aphrodite one I've already forgotten
10 mins for boss
2 revives + full
🤞
let's hope I can do it
first time making it to ||Hades|| in a few runs
heavy sigil
I was just super sloppy there
I have no good way to deal with the pots
and they did like most of the damage
Farthest I've made it
- I have aspects now
or should
Hypnos is here for the first time in like
13 runs
proven osprey
you'll get there 
heavy sigil
Already beat it once just gotta do it again
also uh what aspects of Malphos should I unlock?
proven osprey
I'm no expert
opal lodge
both of them are good
proven osprey
But they're all good
opal lodge
talos is seeing a mini renaissance right now
dem fists has been the popular choice for a very very long time
heavy sigil
Which should I buy first
actually more accurately
which spear or fists aspect should I get
proven osprey
Demeter is straight forward and fun I would say
opal lodge
im personally biased toward achilles but dem fists is very straight forward
and you will see some big numbers
proven osprey
nice we're doing a good job of repeating each other right there
opal lodge
LOL
heavy sigil
So demeter can't be stacked correct?
opal lodge
?
heavy sigil
I mean like you can't land 24 hits and gain even more extra hits
proven osprey
well yeah you can't
heavy sigil
leveled em up to lvl 3
opal lodge
i think hades' health for phase 2 is something like 15.6K
heavy sigil
so now getting special upgrades is actually worth it?
proven osprey
artemis
opal lodge
since the most i've done with beowulf is 7.8K on hades
yeah one thing with fists is your dash special is much less laggy than your special alone
proven osprey
night
cunning urchin
I have no good way to deal with the pots
Easiest way to deal with the urns on Malphon is to just let Hades clear them with his sweep.
heavy sigil
I tried but his sweep kept going to basically the same corner
since it was my only real safe spot
wooden gyro
in heat i must play with all weapons till the ////// again for get the rewards again for each point i pick?
this works with aspects or only with the weapon and only
turbid needle
What are the best hammers for Rama, in order of priority?
Picked up twin shot earlier and it was nutty
hoary slate
the one that reduces reload time
Yes, they still get in and out
fossil compass
nice thanks
turbid needle
has anyone tried some stuff with the Athena Artemis Duo Boon - Deadly Reversal?
proven osprey
yeah
boreal harness
Hey everyone! Love this game, playing it everyday for the past month.
Deadly Reversal + divine dash is really good
proven osprey
But idk a build where it's core
boreal harness
But you need flourish or strike as prereq
turbid needle
But idk a build where it's core
well I found a suitable build for it
boreal harness
Nemesis is also good with it
turbid needle
But you need flourish or strike as prereq
no need for Flourish... you can have Artemis Aid too
boreal harness
With Athena on special and Artemis on attack
No, I mean divine strike or flourish
turbid needle
I can see it on the sword
I did it with the FIsts
turbid needle
No, I mean divine strike or flourish
yeah... Divine Strike works best
boreal harness
They can proc it, but not be a prereq
turbid needle
Deadly Reversal is even better than Merciful End
boreal harness
No, merciful is much more op
Reversal is at best a 40% increase in DPS
Merciful can boost it by 10 times
For example with a spear dash attack build
turbid needle
I am talking for the Twin Fists
boreal harness
With divine dash and doom on attack
turbid needle
not any other weapon
boreal harness
Even on fists
Divine dash + merciful means doom every .25 seconds
With impending doom doubling the damage
turbid needle
is it? I'll check again... I couldn't get more DPS on Merciful End when I tried with the fists yesterday
boreal harness
You need divine dash and have to use dash attacks
river wing
noo, yet another joins the ME gang
boreal harness
I don't use it much, it's a bit rng heavy
turbid needle
Divine Strike would also work I guess
boreal harness
No, that's bad
turbid needle
I see
boreal harness
You can't reach high dps like that
turbid needle
so that's why I couldnt reach a High DPS
boreal harness
Since you're limited by the slow special
If there was a doom on dash that could work
turbid needle
noo, yet another joins the ME gang
I am more inclined towards Deadly Reversal xD
boreal harness
My fav low rng build for fists is zeus + ruthless reflex for 4 attacks + 1 dash
With support fire and zeus legendary if possible
turbid needle
ME requires more RNG than Deadly Reversal.... plus its easier to set up
turbid needle
and ME didnt work for me coz I was using Divine Strike on Fists
boreal harness
It's around the same rng
turbid needle
I though it would work... but I guess not
boreal harness
Merciful end is a little bit more limited due to requiring one of the 2 area boons
turbid needle
it requires the same RNG? it's just one duo
probably, but the setup is easier as you have more options with Deadly Reversal
boreal harness
Artemis crit boons for reversal are a bit less stringent
Also Artemis is so good with pretty much any build
The only Artemis duo boons I dislike are the ones with dio and zeus, and those even aren't that bad.
While artemis also has the 3 best cast duos
With Crystal Clarity, hunting blades and mirage shot.
turbid needle
also, Artemis and Aphrodite Aids are pretty much the Highest Damage
boreal harness
Yeah
Zeus is also pretty high damage, but you have to stay close and it's sort of DoT
turbid needle
Zeus is also pretty high damage, but you have to stay close and it's sort of DoT
Thats what I dont like
boreal harness
Aphrodite can outdamage Artemis if you can get hunter's mark or something
turbid needle
true
boreal harness
You can get lucky even with just 2% Pressure point, I once knocked out ~50% of the final boss with it
calm bluff
I typically skip hunter's mark for crit/crit damage/arrows being shot
boreal harness
Hunter's mark is great for stuff like Hestia or Rama
calm bluff
Unless I'm misremembering
boreal harness
But not so much in boss fights
calm bluff
Yeah, I pretty much only build for boss fights.
boreal harness
It can trivialize Theseus + Asterius
calm bluff
There's a lot of good things for killing mobs like poseidon but just absolutely worthless in boss fights
Eh, I try not to split my damage with theseus and asterius.
Even then I wouldn't consider it, that fight's easy enough
turbid needle
I have posted my Victory Image in #h1-victory-boasting ...
For the Athena Artemis Duo Boon Deadly Reversal
boreal harness
I regularly play with hestia + Hunter's Strike + pommed up hunter's mark, it can crit pretty much every shot by alternating depending on the level of hunter's mark
Making it extremely fast
turbid needle
Eh, I try not to split my damage with theseus and asterius.
Theseus and Arterius were a piece of cake with Deadly Reversal
boreal harness
Yeah, so am I, but Hestia can be a bit slow, but I've gotten ~12 min clears with it and stacking crit and damage
For Eris it's not needed
calm bluff
Oh yeah I'm definitely a slow player lol
My fastest run was 15 minutes with zag bow.
My runs typically are 30 minutes unless Eris and Artemis special
boreal harness
I usually get around 12-15 if I play very aggressively
But with things like Rama bow or Hera bow it's longer