h1-builds-and-combat

[sullen valley]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[graceful bough]

Could easily misconstrue it as, "You have no death defiance, but __"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sullen valley]

Still sounds different from "...but is capped at 25%."

[graceful bough]

Don't know what that's in reference to.

[sullen valley]

Zeus/Aphro Duo

[graceful bough]

How it compares to other tooltips is irrelevant.

This is literally about how the very specific wording of the boon understandably misled me to how it worked.

[opal lodge]

mate im gonna be honest this sounds like a you problem

and now you know

no harm no foul

[sullen valley]

It states a tradeoff clearly, just as Athena/Demeter boon clearly specifies "While you have no Death Defiance," aka something that occurs while you do not have any DD stocks.

[graceful bough]

I feel like Piorda made a big deal about it not being a big deal. but shrugs

It states a tradeoff, implying you get health regen instead of death defiances.

[opal lodge]

im confused, why would that be better?

[clever laurel]

Ita godly with stubborn defiance

[graceful bough]

Oh no, it's not better.

It's worse.

[opal lodge]

if anything shouldnt you be glad it only activates once you lose all of them?

[graceful bough]

I'm glad it is what it is.

It just left me very confused why I wasn't getting health regen, and then why I had a death defiance activate.

[sullen valley]

Well, at least now you know the next time you get it.

[graceful bough]

👍

[clever laurel]

If I used normal defiances it just be a good thing to have a crutch

Incase you lose all of them

[sullen valley]

Stubborn Defiance and Stubborn Roots sounds...huh, they sound like they're supposed to go together, huh.

Would you believe me if I told you I went an entire run with the Blood Vial without running into Ares?

Oh yeah the only ability-enhancing Boon I have is Drunken Strike on Hera.

[river wing]

you must have encountered him at least once?

and the effect of the keepsake only last for one

[sullen valley]

I have, I just got into Elysium, too

Also today I learned that backshooting a Shield with a Hera Cast nullifies the Hera Cast...cooooooooool

Finally got a boon from Ares and Dio cast yus

For Charged Volley (Hold Q to deal more damage) does minimum range reduction mean less actual range or less radius?

o^o

[undone anvil]

you got the spear?

[sullen valley]

Bow

Aspect doesn't matter afaik

[undone anvil]

it shouldn't, yeah

[ornate prawn]

more range!

it makes your special work more like your attack and have comparable range

[sullen valley]

"Minimum range reduced" means I get more range...?

[ornate prawn]

yep

[sullen valley]

Uh hum...aighty then.

[ornate prawn]

at least that was my experience from using it

[sullen valley]

I think I took that hammer with Chiron's Aspect, didn't remember if it was that hammer or not.

[dusty ridge]

I don't think it's that, since with this hammer your special is now a charged attack, it means that when you just tap the button instead of holding it the arrows won't go very far since you didn't charge it

so pretty much the same way as the basic bow attack won't go far if you don't hold the button

[sullen valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665807729956487189/779809184727826452/unknown.png

The weirdest melee-not-really build of the century.

dw I got like 400 HP

I beat EM4 Hades with it but it felt dumb enough to feel like a "We take those" moment.

[exotic abyss]

omfg I am in a run where I can deal more than 5000 dmage on 1 hit with rama bow

dont know if it is a lot but this weapon is busted

[uneven osprey]

hahaha 5000 damage that’s wild

[maiden wolf]

Rush Delivery doesn't work in reverse does it?

[opal lodge]

like with chaos curses?

[maiden wolf]

yea

[opal lodge]

no

[maiden wolf]

thank god

[opal lodge]

it just wont give you the bonus damage

depending on the amount subtracted

[maiden wolf]

cause i have -59% rn

does his trap damage bonus stack with the heat modifier?

[opal lodge]

haha yes

[maiden wolf]

10x trap damage

[umbral kettle]

great to know we've played so many runs that we never hit traps...right guys?

[maiden wolf]

Now the real question is

Does Rush Delivery stack with Hyper Sprint

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[opal lodge]

hyper delivery is one of the best combos you can aim for from hermes

[sand sparrow]

Is there any catch to getting legendary boons aside from prioritizing one specific god? I'm aiming for the achievement for selling one of those
Got a few already in my runs but they never show up in the pool to be sold, sadly

[opal lodge]

check requirements

they should be in codex

each legendary has very unique requirements

[unkempt pagoda]

ample use of rerolling

[sand sparrow]

Gotcha
Should probably be useful to get all legendaries on the list of prophecies too, thanks
Also time to grind out the mirror I guess cause I still only have one level on the dice

[primal hazel]

Rush delivery

[opal lodge]

yes?

[primal hazel]

That's the name afaik

Idk if ya meant something different

[opal lodge]

i just meant hyper sprint + rush delivery

[primal hazel]

Aight sry then m8

[opal lodge]

np

[primal hazel]

Any fun talos build besides the regular ol crit?

[opal lodge]

im a fan of the good ol talos self cast build

you go for ice wine and blackout lol

that or tidal dash + zeus attack is fun

[primal hazel]

Lol didn't know you changed your pfp du abracadaniel

Sry if I butchered it only know his german name

Hmm self cast sounds fun
Stygian or infernal?

[opal lodge]

stygian

[primal hazel]

Ah nice thanks
Will try that

[onyx iron]

only good/fun talos build I've had was from spamming the special tbh

with quake cutter mebbe

[primal hazel]

That's the point of talos...

[onyx iron]

?

what do you mean

[primal hazel]

It's special centered by design

[opal lodge]

you can cancel the magnet before uppercutting

[onyx iron]

yis

it also doesn't cancel atk animations

very easy to draw an enemy in to have them haymaker you in the noggin

with any amount of FO, it's a death trap

and the +dmg buff isn't great when it only affects the pulled enemy

[still vigil]

Ive heard a new vl from demeter legendary just now so that was cool

[primal hazel]

They're soooo sick

That's why I build demeter sometimes

Certainly not for the damage

[still vigil]

I think she's still really good

Her damage can be good too

[primal hazel]

Not compared to others imo

She's still fun

[still vigil]

I can agree on that

She has plenty of utility to offset it

[primal hazel]

Yeah more of a utility godess

But chill hella fun

[onyx iron]

she has the best flatdmg boost behind of aphro though

[primal hazel]

Ye but aphrodite usually has more impactful duos/boons to boot

Other gods too

Not saying she's bad

[onyx iron]

I guess so. it's worth noting too though, her curse is extremely long

[primal hazel]

Obvs

Ikik

Especially with jolted and duo

[still vigil]

Is heroic electric shot any good at 32 heat if im usin gilga?

[primal hazel]

How is that connected to gilga

[mellow quest]

Some weapons just like having things that help with room clear speed like electric shot

Since they're already good at single target

[opal lodge]

like arthur

or nem

[primal hazel]

Or me

[rare kindle]

Talos is good with Poseidon

[sturdy wind]

do revenge boons still proc if you dodge a hit with dodge chance

[primal hazel]

Shouldn't

Since you didn't get hit

[sturdy wind]

yeah that's what I figured

[opal lodge]

revenge boons do weird things with poison though

like if you stand on poison they activate before you take any dmg

[sullen valley]

...Say, I forgot, but do the 4th Aspects unlock in a fixed order or at any order?

iirc Spear is always first...

[primal hazel]

Spear always first

Rest is your choice

[sullen valley]

I mean like, do you get the Waking Phrases in a fixed order?

beyond Spear

[primal hazel]

No

As I said

[sullen valley]

Ah, fair enough.

[deft crystal]

how the h am i supposed to defeat charon?

[sand sparrow]

I only fought him like four times but won all of them
His only really threatening move is the sweep, he'll briefly walk towards you before that and that's the tell, you gotta dash to his back

Otherwise is just a matter of dodging his projectiles
Also as far as I know the fight doesn't change regardless of what floor you're in so if you want you can only try to face it after you have your major boons

[sturdy wind]

and the sweep is always followed by a second one

[royal helm]

I find his projectile attack that he makes the most threatening...
But it sort of depends on what position you play relative to Charon

[sturdy wind]

it's very telegraphed so just dash through/around it or block if you're using shield

you can also backstab him for free while he's calling the projectiles

[royal helm]

I'm pretty much always in melee range trying to backstab shotgun... the sword almost never hits me...
It's the projectile he fires, that's totally undodgeable if you play like that

The sword is the easiest thing to dodge, if you ask me

[untold iris]

his projectile has an animation though

he raises his hand

also its always in front of him so just constantly repositioning behind him helps

[sturdy wind]

I find the oar sweep easy to dodge as well, but it does hit like a truck if you mess up

[royal helm]

Yea, it is a lot of damage

And he can just take your dodges away with the triple projectile phase

[untold iris]

is that phase 3?

since I normally just press the summon button to skip phase 3

[royal helm]

I think it's the last portions of his HP... but 🤷‍♂️

[untold iris]

yeah he has three phases

[royal helm]

I never actually bothered to count... I thought he only went impervious twice... so yeah, I guess that is three?

[untold iris]

his hp during the three phases are 4125, 4950, 4125

[royal helm]

It's basically just unwise to fight Charon almost at all in high heat... if you're on TD3, I don't think it's even reasonable to expect to hit the deadline

[untold iris]

well yeah I never fight him on high heat

[royal helm]

But it's great value on normal runs

[untold iris]

on lower heats I usually fight him every time

a lot of the time I mess up and take 1-2 hits

[royal helm]

yee, I sometimes avoid him on the spear...

[untold iris]

but usually not more than 2

[royal helm]

Because it's single target / boss damage is actually atrocious

[untold iris]

antos for phase 3 is really helpful

since it cuts his hp down so that you only need to deal about 1k damage

which basically lets you skip the phase before he can do anything too dangerous

deflect is also really good for charon

his oar sweeps are super telegraphed and they do 400 damage when deflected

[royal helm]

It takes probably like ... 30ish+ runs before you have the companions, though? So... yeah

[untold iris]

so if you can time it well, every time he does his oar sweep combo he deals 800 damage to himself

[royal helm]

I kind of actually wonder what the people with lots of runs think...
If Charon's even really worth in CF2...

Since everything is just insanely expensive anyway... it just basically buys you one boon

It doesn't seem/feel worth it unless you're really certain you won't lose two death defieds... losing one is probably ok

[jovial harness]

ok am i understanding right that in hades em4 phase 2 you have to break as many vases as you can to keep him from healing too much?

[royal helm]

I'm told that there's only one vase that he connects to... and it lights up green

It is the case

So... in short... no?
But if you want to have space to move around in without get vase stunned and combo'd... you probably want to clear some of them

[untold iris]

the vase that hades is healing from has a green light thingy coming out the top

if you break it, then he will switch to another vase

if you do this three times then he will stop healing

[sinful quail]

Any recommendations for the twin fist?

I'm having a lot of fun with that particular weapon, but I'm not sure which aspect is more powerful?

[sullen valley]

I prefer Demeter's Aspect. Zagreus Aspect and Lambent Plume can pair well. Haven't tried Talos in a good while...4th is a gamble, if you're willing to take it.

Frost Attack or Frost Special? Hades Aspect.

[untold iris]

all the three regular aspects are pretty similar

[woven delta]

Talos is pretty neutral if you're mostly attack-focused and not planning on using special much

[untold iris]

honestly if you're comfortable with one of them you're comfortable with them all

[woven delta]

With the damage boost on special being nice though

[untold iris]

talos special gives you +40% damage

its nice

all three regular aspects mostly spam dash attacks though, so its not really a big deal what you pick

demeter is probably the most powerful one overall, but its close enough that you can use whichever one and still be more than fine

[sullen valley]

Wanna focus Attack? Talos. Special? Demeter. Dodge build? Zagreus.

[untold iris]

i think thats kind of misleading

all three fist aspects focus on attack

specifically, dash attack

and then you occasionally press other buttons

when you want to press other buttons is partially dependent on the aspect but for the most part it doesnt matter too much because you're mostly pressing attack

[sullen valley]

Eh, they really are very similar if you put enough thought into it, but if you wanna focus one thing slightly more than the other...

[sullen valley]

...So uh, same question from before.

Ah hyuck it.

[sinful quail]

Thanks everyone! I was leaning towards the special side of things. So I guess I'll go Talos or Demeter

[untold iris]

hades aspect is mostly attack focused, unless you get exploding launcher

though demeter doesnt have a great attack boon

you can either take the attack so that you have more damage

or take the special and hope for a better attack boon

best attack by far for hades spear is artemis

aphrodite is second best

[rare kindle]

When does Demeter work for attack/special?

[untold iris]

i usually dont take demeter for my primary damage button unless im doing a random run

[rare kindle]

I’ve only had success using Demeter as support, same with Dionysus

[untold iris]

if you want one of her duos though, its helpful to take her on a button you dont use as often to enable the duos

[rare kindle]

Yeah, I took her call to enable cold fusion

[untold iris]

dio can do fine as primary damage, but i usually dont like him there either

most aspects have either artemis, aphrodite, or zeus as their optimal boon on your primary button

[rare kindle]

I barely touch the cast button, plus her cast is slow without other enablers

[untold iris]

I've grown to like her cast a little bit more than I used to

but it is something that you probably need a secondary boon to augment

by itself its pretty underwhelming

[last shuttle]

What’s better. Dark regeneration or chthonic vitality?

[pliant anvil]

I prefer chthonic because darkness is the worst meta progression choice in a run imo

I much prefer the gems's gold or key's reroll over the 5 extra hp

that being said, if you're still working on your mirror still, and always taking darkness rooms, dark regen can be ok, but I still feel it underperforms.

[sullen valley]

I have

been robbed

twice

UHIUDIHKFGSIUDFIBGI

Imagine getting half of your HP being eaten by an invincible final boss

You know, the lasers, and when you're moving onto the next phase

I died to an attack that shouldn't have been happening (I guess next-phase-invincibility counts as being "Charmed")
AND THEN I DIED TO AN ATTACK THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YET

THE DUDE'S SPEAR WAS STILL IN HIS HAND BEFORE HE THREW IT

[naive tiger]

okay dude i feel bad

[sullen valley]

There were no pots nearby, the skulls don't deal 60 damage they deal 40, ||I wasn't on Boiling Blood||,

I can go super saiyan at any moment

[naive tiger]

i died to his laser after bravely hiding(more like cowering) behind a pillar

[sullen valley]

I'm mad

[naive tiger]

i feel bad

[royal helm]

Has anyone gotten a hold of Thunder Flare, Double Strike, Mirage Shot on Beo?

I keep trying to force this and just can't get it

[barren otter]

I wonder if mirage shot will even do anything, considering the internal cooldown on lightning bolts and how mirage shot has very short delay after the original cast.

[turbid needle]

Getting Greater Recall in the first chamber of Asphodel always feels good.

[half crater]

i would assume that mirage shot on thunder flare would work like double strike, ignoring the cooldown

[untold vortex]

The single target icd is only on thunder flourish from memory

[barren otter]

and sea storm?

[untold vortex]

Possibly, I haven't played much this past month

[half crater]

ohh yeah you’re right

[frail schooner]

literally added just for aspect of chaos :(

[pliant anvil]

oof

[rare kindle]

They nerfed chaos hard

Which cthonic companions do you like using?

I used shady for a while, but I think I like battie more for the damage

[vale imp]

I like Antos because it's 2 hits

Gets rid of armor, then hits the healthbar

[river wing]

if you don't have lasting consequences, and not really trying to go fast. shady is the best imo.
with the heals, you can dish out the damage you loose out from the other companions. free money too.

[untold vortex]

it was added because of Chiron aspect iirc @frail schooner

having 7 lighting bolt procs on a single target (11 with relentless volley) is a bit much 😅

[royal helm]

Eh... I don't think it's fair to say "only for chaos" because... you could do some very disgusting things if there was no ICD

Get in stuff's face and shotgun with the bow for 13x Thunder Flourishes? (assuming Relentless volley)

Oh yeah, you said it

lul

I am blind

But yeah, that is probably the fastest/highest proc rate stuff, bow's special

[warm snow]

hi!

Does nemesis aspect add up to deadly strike?

[opal lodge]

yes

[warm snow]

These 2 things combine?

Aspect of Nemesis vs Aspect of Poseidon, which is better?

[river wing]

Anyone encountered Theseus standing still doing nothing?

[warm snow]

maybe tech support can answer your question

[river wing]

I did an F10 anyways. just thought it was pretty funny

[warm snow]

I once saw Asterius was blocked

[opal lodge]

were you using dad keepsake glass

[warm snow]

he was preparing to bull rush

no

[river wing]

nope

[opal lodge]

did you have charm in your build?

[warm snow]

No

I used Athena Divine Flourish with Lucifer

[river wing]

wait i vid for you

i think it's due to arthur special

https://streamable.com/9x6efx here you go

[warm snow]

I used the gun

[river wing]

pretty sure it's arthur's special

[warm snow]

I see that the Chariot was stucked on Zagreus' leg.

You were losing HP constantly

[opal lodge]

weird ive never seen that before

that's the tight deadline whale

he stands still for periods of the fight but that's not one of the places he stops

[warm snow]

Ah! I see.

[river wing]

okay, check this out

https://streamable.com/rgkq20

maybe he was considered a projectile or something and slowed down from the special

till the speed is 0

this run is so dead. i've no damage :C

[sour spade]

okay, this is probably been done, but I'm still amused

Let me share with you a build which I call "my dad is a lawyer he will sue you"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/336409856095551490/779785609266724874/unknown.png?width=998&height=918

This is the main part, which basically says "you wouldn't like it if you hit me" with Sword's ||Arthur aspect|| to boot.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/336409856095551490/779785724718612530/unknown.png?width=992&height=918

And this is the supporting stuff for that. 400 health.
Everything else is fun but less important, I wanted to make it so that hitting me is a bad idea 😄

[vernal kestrel]

hoarding slash on excalibur is so fun lol

also lol willdrug that build looks crazy

altho it also looks like it would take forever to kill hades

[wanton hound]

how does the rocket bomb upgrade work with ||lucifer's hellfire?||

[half crater]

i don’t think you can get rocket bomb on lucy

[wanton hound]

ah

can you get hazard bomb?

[half crater]

i think so?

i don’t play lucy much but i feel like i’ve heard of people getting it before

[finite socket]

It's still kinda bad

You want laser upgrades for Lucy

[tidal tide]

thats how halien has done a full AFK final boss fight

vengeance boons with health

[vernal kestrel]

man i totally forgot this duo existed, i was actually sad when i saw ares after getting aphrodite, i wanted 8-stack dionysus, instead i got this awesome run

https://i.imgur.com/JEgFEwh.png

12 activations of doom from a single attack + special

plus extremely easy status upkeep

i kept it up for like 30 activations on bull and was seeing 4k+

since like, each activation adds +50% and each attack increases the base amount

[undone anvil]

curse of longing is very good

[finite socket]

Any builds for Aspect of Demeter?

[cunning urchin]

This is what m running right now. https://imgur.com/a/k6H8cnA

Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper are the hammers you'll want.

[finite socket]

Got it

[gray plover]

Any tips for getting pierced butterfly 30%? I'm pretty bad. Last time I got to 26% though...

[river wing]

You can go zues for attack too. It's very strong, and divine strike isn't really needed for lower heats.

Mmm. try an aspect where you can hit and run easily perhaps. Like hestia? or Bow

You can also take more rooms with encounters, avoiding the mid-shop/story room/chaos

[cunning urchin]

Hestia, Chiron, and Guan Yu are all great for no-hit runs.

[river wing]

More opportunity to get that % up.

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu with Charged Skewer might be the easiest for the challenge, in fact.

Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish.

[gray plover]

I feel like I always put a toe in lava after a dash and it messes me up in asphodel

[cunning urchin]

That's just practice and experience tbh lol.

I still do it sometimes, but it's mostly just staying calm and dashing mindfully.

[gray plover]

fair enough. I only recently got back into playing... I played pre broken spearpoint nerf (when it was actually broken) so I have to relearn the game since I have to play with my eyes open now D:

[warm snow]

Don't dash too much. Dash at the right place and at the right time.

basically, slow down. When you get used to it, you can speed up.

[warm snow]

I used || Rama bow || with Drunken Flourish (Dionysus). I got 32% or 36%. Can't remember the exact number. Got this achievement in just 1 run.

[haughty quartz]

I'm about to go fight ||Hades|| anyone have a
good recommendation for a build

[gray plover]

@warm snow yeah I do kinda spam it should definitely try and get better lol. I tried that bow before but I'd always get caught by something (usually me being silly), but I ended up following the spear recommendation and it was pretty easy 👍

[olive spruce]

achilles spear cast build with crystal beam/glacial glare/crystal clarity

or slicing shot/hunting blades/engulfing vortex/black metal/vicious cycle

[turbid needle]

yo anybody got advice on how to deal with the butterfly ball miniboss? im honestly on the verge of jumping into the monitor and beating them with my own two hands

[proven osprey]

that can work

I would recommend to hard focus the ball, don't go for exalted souls if too far

[olive spruce]

which weapon are you using?

[proven osprey]

don't hesitate to use summons if your build is weak

[olive spruce]

and have you unlocked ||companions|| yet?

[turbid needle]

well in my last run it was stygius

no i havent 😔

[proven osprey]

ah

[turbid needle]

working toward it, though

[proven osprey]

then rip

[turbid needle]

Y e a h

[olive spruce]

I like to kill the butterfly ball and then mop up the exalted

[proven osprey]

yeah

Bonus dmg to armor is great too

[turbid needle]

alright guess ill stop bouncing everywhere every two seconds then lmao

[olive spruce]

the annoying thing is the archers

otherwise it's not too hard to avoid damage from the others

[turbid needle]

yeah, i gotchu

[olive spruce]

try using your cast as well to get extra damage

[turbid needle]

will do, thanks ya'll

[proven osprey]

yup good piece of advice, it's nice habit to have

huge buff

[fleet zinc]

Just had a god gauge spam build. That was fun!
Poseidon call.
Aphrodite + Zues for auto charge but capped at 25%
Couple other things that increased god gauge gain. And then Z+P for lightning during the call.

[proven osprey]

yeah that combo is nice

[teal juniper]

does jury summons increase gold income?

because if enemies = gold, then more enemies = more gold, no?

[clever igloo]

I don’t think every enemy has a chance to drop gold

Eg in the survival chambers enemies just stop dropping gold after a bit

I’m not 100% certain, but it seems like each chamber has a gold budget

[willow fossil]

Yeah not all enemies drop gold

[clever igloo]

So adding enemies doesn’t seem to increase it

[teal juniper]

and here I was thinking jury summons was perhaps not too bad, oh well

[clever igloo]

Some builds handle it exceptionally well, eg Zeus builds that have lots of splash damage

[teal juniper]

yeah that's true

the legendary's also fairly easy to get compared to some of the others I've found, hell I got rid of it for the achievement and next time I got a zeus boon he gave it to me again

[clever igloo]

Lol

Ya it’s not too bad

If you have a primary Zeus boon it only has one other prerequisite

And the three that qualify are good boons anyway

[teal juniper]

exactly

with storm lightning with rail zeus attack it gets crazy

[turbid needle]

which weapon is good to build around poseidon?

[clever igloo]

I like poseidon cast on aspect of poseidon sword

[teal juniper]

yeah if you get that one going Zag becomes an artillery battery

considering those explode

[clever igloo]

Yeah it’s good

It’s also easy to pick up mirage shot from there, as you’re probably going to force Artemis for exit wounds anyway

[proven osprey]

Exit wounds is key

Could not imagine a poseidon build without it

[fleet zinc]

I like using Artemis’ cast with Poseidon sword and exit wounds.

Fast, good damage, and when you pop that crit

[sullen violet]

How do I unlock the last aspect?

specifically for the Spear

[stoic sapphire]

pinned message in #h1-story-discussion

[fleet zinc]

I’m gonna have to check that out. Only one I’m missing is the sword. Gotten all the others by chance haha

[stoic sapphire]

haha sword w as the first one I got because ||convo queue was being a jerk and not giving me the convo I wanted||

[sullen violet]

Unlock the aspect fully or just put in 1?

[fleet zinc]

I think you only have to spend TB once to unlock it for use

[stoic sapphire]

yeah, aspects can be used as soon as you unlock, you spend more to improve them. tthis includes hidden ones

[teal juniper]

what's the way to bump up the damage output of the shield?

it's something I've always struggled with somewhat

[finite socket]

Depends on the Aspect

Chaos it's best to go with Zeus afaik

[teal juniper]

I've always enjoyed zeus aspect tbh

mind you I haven't fully levelled chaos yet and it seems like one that really benefits from that

[finite socket]

Zeus or Dio can work

It's pretty different from other shields so you throw it while close to your enemy and start attacking while it ticks

And at max level you can go for something like Demeter instead since 30 base damage is pretty good for % bonuses to be noticeable

[teal juniper]

I imagine deflect on it would be interesting

because if you stay close to it then you have, well, a shield to stop stuff from hitting you

[sour spade]

Somehow took me 200 health out of 400 and not much time

[sour spade]

That sounds amazing

[turbid needle]

alright, tried out poseidon sword with arty cast, this is fun! not sure what else i should be looking for tho aside from stuff that enhance special

cast i mean

[proven osprey]

mirage shot

[turbid needle]

i'll fish for that, thanks!

[warm stag]

Once you unlcok somebody's Companion, is Ambrosia better spent pursuing the relationship chain, or upgrading the companion?

[proven osprey]

By the time I unlocked companions, I had quite a lot of Ambrosia. So I maxed some of them. Since upragding means more uses, I feel like it's better to do so

maybe pick one or two companions ?

and move on to the relationships

[primal hazel]

Maxing relationships for chibis

[turbid needle]

I recall someone saying here saying piercing volley decreases single target damage for chiron?

[unkempt pagoda]

why would it

er, it doesn't, it's just a basic armor damaging hammer

[turbid needle]

some people were discussing it yesterday

actually nevermind, they said they might have been confused #h1-discussion message

[stoic sapphire]

I was def. in the other boat. I unlocked companions because I hit a wall in progress and haven't been able to get much ambrosia.

Tryintg to get my head around chaos shield a bit. What are some good builds? I think my clear was w/ merciful end, looking for some other options. Not always great at getting off the charged specials w/o dying.

[sullen violet]

When it says to fight hades to unluck Guan Yu

Does it mean to fight him then you unlock or just have to had fought him a single time

[stoic sapphire]

|| I think you have to have spent the blood on unlocking aspects, and then you have to reach, but not defeat him, to trigger the convo theread ||

[sullen violet]

Oh okay thanks

[haughty quartz]

what do you guys think is a good build with the spear

[stoic sapphire]

I got a couple clears w/ demeter attack, but I would defer to absolutely anyone else.

[clever igloo]

Achilles aspect with hunting blades

[haughty quartz]

ok thanks

[teal juniper]

achilles is just, so good

guan yu as well, although less health hurts

hades and zag are meh

[brazen harbor]

okay the gun and bow are so much harder for me to do clears with

[pliant anvil]

have you tried the rail with zeus attack? That's generally the go to strategy.

The only rail that changes that is hestia.

[brazen harbor]

I managed it once with the rail upped to 30 rounds for ammo, and the zeus attack, but that run still took like 36 minutes

[pliant anvil]

Have you tried it with eris?

Eris rail is hands down the strongest weapon in the game

[primal hazel]

aspect

[pliant anvil]

Sounds like they were using zag aspect

with flurry hammer I think

[haughty quartz]

anyone got tips on ||hades||

[teal juniper]

honestly? Practice is the most important thing, beyond that, when he ||brings up pots in his second phase try and destroy them as otherwise you'll be in a sticky situation when he does his beam attack||

[haughty quartz]

i haven't made it to his 2nd phase well like i make it but then die instantly

[teal juniper]

ah

[rare kindle]

||hide behind a pillar when he does his laser beam attack||

[teal juniper]

give him his space

dodge in and out if you've got melee weapons

[haughty quartz]

ok im gonna try being less aggressive

[teal juniper]

you can't facetank him

have you got all your DDs?

[haughty quartz]

im gonna try using the gun now with a doom build

[rare kindle]

Even better if you get the thing that makes doom stack

[haughty quartz]

the dire thing ye imma try to get it

i forgot the name but i know what u talking about

[warm stag]

When do you start getting farmable titans blood? I got the first clear with each weapon and now Im tapped out unless I want to sell the broker ambrosia

[cunning urchin]

You need to go up in Heat.

[teal juniper]

yep

[warm stag]

Ah, I don't have Heat unlocked yet

thats why

[cunning urchin]

You should have it unlocked after the first clear.

[warm stag]

Working on that. The last fight is an ass-kicker

Thought I had it once... then I learned about Phase 2

[rare kindle]

You can also fish for it, but stuff like titan blood from fish requires you to beat the final boss anyway

[gleaming bramble]

hey everyone, what's a good gilgamesh build ?

[cunning urchin]

I like Heartbreak Strike on it.

Divine Dash.

[opal lodge]

i like deadly strike + passion dash

go for heart rend

[gleaming bramble]

alright so aphrodite apparently ^^

[opal lodge]

cant go wrong with artemis/aphrodite on any weapon tbh

[turbid needle]

Poseidon special on demeter with explosive upper is kinda fun

Then explosive upper really really sends em

[trim shard]

gods pride or gods legacy for very low heat? im on a 6 win streak just doing low heat stuff farming meta currency doing the bounties

[primal hazel]

Def legacy

On very high heats pride is better since you don't want to rely on duos

But up until those legacy is more impactful and fun for build variety

[gleaming bramble]

what is considered "high heat" ?

[primal hazel]

Also duos and legendaries are, mostly, very game augmenting

I'd say either 32+ or 40+ personally

[ornate prawn]

so if i'm looking to get better and crank up bounties slowly
should i be taking forced overtime on every run?

[primal hazel]

You don't have to
Getting used to it helps you for later though

I haven't enabled it again as of yet

Oh btw
Do you guys have any fun rama builds beside crit attack and thunder special?

[trim shard]

authority or persuasion?

[primal hazel]

Persuasion all the way

[rare kindle]

Persuasion

[primal hazel]

Boom control is very important

[rare kindle]

It lets you fish for specific boons

[primal hazel]

Since you can also reroll into duos and legendaries

[rare kindle]

Plus if you really want a specific god anyway, there’s always their keepsakes

[primal hazel]

Authority let's you only change doors in their respective category which is very limited

I'd argue it would be better if it could reroll blue into golden laurel

[trim shard]

would anyone mind if I dm them my mirror setup? im playing nemesis blade mostly with some eris rail

[primal hazel]

Sure

[gleaming bramble]

i assume, when done farming, at high heat, you switch the mirror perk that increase rara boon chance to the mirror perk that increase golden laurel chance ?

[willow fossil]

I'm done farming and I keep it on

[primal hazel]

You always play ficken laurels

For consistency

If you want better runs

Dio is just weird

[willow fossil]

Dunno about better runs

[primal hazel]

It gets you more run affecting rooms

[willow fossil]

I dont like common boons

And I like my key rerolls

[primal hazel]

I don't like you

[willow fossil]

You love me dont lie to yourself

[primal hazel]

Yeah ok

On average you'll get more money and more boons

Which is better for consistency

[willow fossil]

True

I prefer less boons but rare

[primal hazel]

Pfft

You need every boon you can get

[cunning urchin]

On very high heats pride is better since you don't want to rely on duo
I def take Legacy at 40+ still.

[primal hazel]

Huh you told me pride
Didn't you?

Or was it someone else

[cunning urchin]

Dark Foresight is just way better. Tbh I probably would just run it from the start to clear faster and more easily.

[primal hazel]

Next time I just call you so people will believe me xD

[cunning urchin]

I used to run God's Pride before 1.0 and early in 1.0.

[proven osprey]

Idk how many times I told you normal people don't talk to stones

[cunning urchin]

I think Legacy and Pride are both fine. I prefer Legacy, though.

Maybe with AP I'd take Pride. Hard to say.

[primal hazel]

Figure that yeah

I just love duos and legendaries too much

[cunning urchin]

You can just link it from imgur or something.

[primal hazel]

Lol just did it xD

[cunning urchin]

For Nemesis, I'd just run Stygian Soul, and the bottom 4–5 green. Everything else purple.

SD instead of DD if you're running LC4.

[primal hazel]

Dark regen

[cunning urchin]

I think both Dark Regeneration and Chthonic Vitality are fine.

I like Chthonic Vitality a bit more. Still heals you when you skip Darkness chambers, and tops you off consistently for High Confidence.

[rare kindle]

I like vitality for the consistent healing, such as in the little chambers in Styx

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[primal hazel]

I like regen cause pools and shops have additional healing
Also troves heal a lot

That becomes less of an option with TD3 ofc

[cunning urchin]

But most of my runs are with LC4, so either one is luxurious for me if I don't have LC lol.

I used to only run Dark Regeneration early on. But it was also stronger then.

[primal hazel]

Yep

[cunning urchin]

It's nice with Shady because you get a little bit more healing from it.

[proven osprey]

Feels so nice to throw gigantic rocks to crush people

[primal hazel]

[cunning urchin]

Feels so nice to throw gigantic people to crush rocks.

[stoic sapphire]

hmmm, I seem to be struggling w chaos shield lately. I dunno if it's the same as my bow problem, or if it's something different. I had less problem w/ it a month ago, but I mayp have just ignored the extra throw antd done a straight attack build.

any suggestions on a build?

I think I did merciful end last time, just tried zeus special instead.

[cunning urchin]

I kinda like Heartbreak Flourish.

[proven osprey]

deadly flourish, one shield might crit

(zeus works well)

[stoic sapphire]

that makes it sountd like you really thdink it won't but you're hoping anyway

[proven osprey]

yeah basically

don't try it lol

[stoic sapphire]

I think that when I'm trying too hard to shoot off specials, I run into my bow problem, and die

becausne I loose 2-3 DD's by the time I clear fury

[proven osprey]

remember that sometimes bull rushing and bashing is nice

[stoic sapphire]

bull rush is the bow problem :/

[proven osprey]

hmm

explain

[stoic sapphire]

takes too long to charge, things kill me

[proven osprey]

hey

you're not supposed to charge it to get dmg

[stoic sapphire]

I'm not

it's the time between the actual swipe and the block

when I die

[proven osprey]

oh

Yeah

You have to be careful with your movement and ofc your enemies

[stoic sapphire]

but apparently it's a problem when I have to stand still and charge something

because that positioning /movement is a problem w/ the bow too

[proven osprey]

The only solution I see

[cunning urchin]

I don't think it's a matter of getting the right build. You just need practice and experience.

[proven osprey]

is throwing your shield away

And take a good ol spear

[stoic sapphire]

heh

trust me, I've wondered more than once If i should be playing this game

thanks to commetnsn by some ppl in here

[cunning urchin]

Might help to watch some of haelian's Chaos Aspect runs to see what he does.

[proven osprey]

what do you mean ?

[stoic sapphire]

anyway, thanks. Will continue to ponder.

[cunning urchin]

Easier to see it in action than try to explain it since a lot of it is intuitive.

[primal hazel]

Chaos is just hold down bull rush for as short as possible
Special
Repeat

[leaden pasture]

What gods work well with spear? Specifically Guan Yu since I just unlocked it and wanna try out the 4th weapon aspects

Also what hammers should I be looking for besides the spin attack charges faster?

[turbid needle]

Charged Skewer, Artemis and Aphrodite.

[unkempt pagoda]

athena works on the spin very well

[leaden pasture]

Aight tysm for the advice!

[woven delta]

So bit of a thought I had earlier today

Does Demeter fists + Aphrodite attack + Artemis special make sense?

Because given their duo boon it sounds like it should

[unkempt pagoda]

that can work but zeus strike + aphro special into smouldering air also works

[tranquil karma]

Artemis' call is SO overpowered!

Like, Theseus did his whole boon-snatching shenanigan and I just pressed F and he was dead INSTANTLY

[sullen valley]

Other than Artemis, what god would you choose to have with Nemesis?

[unkempt pagoda]

aphro over artemis

[sullen valley]

Fair enough

I think I know the answer already but I'd like to confirm,
With Pressure Points, does constant-minor damage, like Hangover and Killing Freeze, deal crit damage on the debuff applied, or crit damage on any tick?

[unkempt pagoda]

each individual tick of damage has a chance to crit

[sullen valley]

Aighty then

Cursed Slash doesn't reduce Max Life gain, does it?

[unkempt pagoda]

it does

[royal helm]

Oh, Hangover can actually crit?

That kind of makes the 7.5% crit duo boon a little bit better in my eyes, if so...

[unkempt pagoda]

any source of damage can crit if there's a crit chance attached to it

(except maybe lightning but the only source i have on this is word-of-mouth and i've yet to verify it)

[royal helm]

I see...

Hangover kind of felt like it was a little bad ... even at max efficacy (Ares/Aphro duo)... @ 10/stack it'd still only be 240dps or in that region

[raven ridge]

do smoldering air and quick favor stack? or does getting one preclude the other?

[unkempt pagoda]

they stack, yes

[raven ridge]

hell yeah thanks

[unkempt pagoda]

disgustingly fast calls

[split orbit]

I could imagine a call build with smoldering air, quick favor, the zeus call, and the zeus thT makes dealt damage speed up recharge

[raven ridge]

oh god that's vile

[split orbit]

Or maybe one of the impervious calls... maybe posiedon or ares

Prolly ares for the consistent damage while impervious, though its time is low

[unkempt pagoda]

nah, not ares

dio or zeus

[split orbit]

Yeah ares would prolly take too much to get going since you'd prolly have to get all the blade rift support boons

Even then it wouldn't be that strong

[royal helm]

It's just the worst call of them all, basically

Someone had a spreadsheet of the damages... it should be like 360 base damage?

[unkempt pagoda]

or athena, but that relies on your other dps

[split orbit]

That sucks cause ares is my favorite of the gods that offer boons

[royal helm]

I think they kind of had to design it in such an odd way... because A. It's a spot dodge
And B. Vicious cycle's scaling

[split orbit]

His cast is my favorite

[royal helm]

Where it could have like ... 60 some odd ticks?

But people in here have said Vicious Cycle doesn't even do what it's supposed to... which would be obnoxious

[unkempt pagoda]

honestly... any call but ares or artemis lol

but even artemis wins out in being a faster panic button, since it's divided in 5

I think they kind of had to design it in such an odd way... because A. It's a spot dodge
all calls give i-frames

ares is bad because it gives you longer i-frames! ...at the cost of losing agency and not much damage

[subtle skiff]

I have a maybe dumb question

If I grab a duo boon and later lose one of the boons that allowed me to qualify for it what happens?

[stark ore]

You still keep the duo

[subtle skiff]

Specifically, ||Demeter/Dio cast boon|| and later replacing the dio boon with an artemis cast boon?

Still works and everything?

[stark ore]

I think it's just dead weight at that point, not sure though

[subtle skiff]

Welp, time to find out eh?

It breaks the boon.

[river wing]

The duo boon does specify. Your X becomes Y.

It's still active.

You just no longer have X

[unkempt pagoda]

i mean, it relies on that fundamental boon to function

it's gonna break if you take that fundamental boon away

(all cast morphs work like that, btw)

[onyx iron]

just goin back to call discussion mentioned above, the calls that halt your build's dmg are a drag

ares or poseidon

I effin hate them

[rare kindle]

Some duo boons probably don’t break if you take away a prereq, like exclusive access

But yeah, if it’s a cast morphing duo, you don’t have that cast anymore

[onyx iron]

? getting rid of festive fog nixes dio/dem duo doesn't it?

oh sorry I misread

but yea, selling prerequisite boons isn't a big deal after gettin the duo

merciful end comes to mind

or selling your cast after triggering sea storm, or whatever

while gunning for a dash boon

[unique lichen]

i have always dreamed of pulling off a good merciful end curse of longing combo in which i swap out attack boon to aphro and pop the curse with athena dash but will probably never happen

should probably just settle for aphro dash and get gud so i don't need the reflect

[river wing]

poseidon call is amazing

how would longing even work with merciful end 🤔

will the doom be removed?

[unkempt pagoda]

trying to use one means cutting the effectiveness of the other

[sullen valley]

You know the game doesn't want you to get a dodge build when it keeps spawning Elysium enemies and you don't even have Jury Summons

[royal helm]

Curse of longing ... is really oddly worded anyway...
Does the first doom proc, then another at half damage 1.1s later (or modded by Impending Doom)?

And then continually reduce by half... it isn't really clear

[unkempt pagoda]

it continually procs, each successive doom's damage being cut in half

[sullen valley]

Uh oh.

tfw you drink some soup so hard to swallow it stops the world around you

[royal helm]

that ... seems super odd... considering you would want a reapplication or a fresh doom... for the maximum damage...
But maybe that happens anyway if you are just proccing?

[rare kindle]

It’s good for keeping privileged status

[royal helm]

If that's the case, it seems like you're getting very good value out of those combo of duos

Because you might be able to merciful end faster than your rate of doom application

[sullen valley]

I think if you keep applying Doom, you reset the Doom damage

[royal helm]

I think this sounds like a good test for Zeus shield, but 🤷‍♂️

[marsh veldt]

What's a good build for poseidon aspect?

[river wing]

aoe cast which sticks in target (flood shot/lightning phalanx/etc) + exit wounds

exit wounds will give potential artemis legendary too.

[marsh veldt]

Hmmm for artemis cast, on which cast wpn is it most effective?

[finite socket]

Poseidon really

I use Poseidon with sticky casts

And for non sticky (Blade Rift/Crystal Beam) I use Achilles

[river wing]

artemis cast does work with poseidon.
Lack of AoE makes clearing rooms pretty annoying though.

not getting the cast also kinda mean higher chance for legendary

[proven osprey]

I like playing like a no brain with poseidon

Electric shot, exit wound + support fire to get fully loaded, greater recall to spam like a dummy

mirage shot's good too but I like destroying my controller

[river wing]

also. consider changing your 1st mirror to green.

[languid dagger]

folks, what would be the strongest Talos build?

[barren otter]

Curse of Drowning, I guess, because of Talos' increased cast damage and you want to be close to the enemy with the fists anyway

[cunning urchin]

Blizzard Shot.

You can just keep pulling enemies back into your AOE. It's really strong.

[split orbit]

A fun build is hera blade rift... it's more fun if you get hunting blades or chilling vortex though

[primal hazel]

Eh

More like a weaker version of the same with achilles

[clever igloo]

You’re right, that makes it not fun

Thanks for clarifying

[primal hazel]

I never said that

[clever igloo]

You’re responding to a comment that says “a fun build”

[primal hazel]

My bad

[clever igloo]

I need to try that

[split orbit]

I've never used talos fists. I just stick to zag and lambet plume builds (not a fan of fists really, they are just fast clears)

[deep moon]

the hades round is so difficult, after the styx round 😦

[dusty ridge]

Hidden fists are fun imo

[solid cairn]

is low tolerance or curse of nausea better for dps

[split orbit]

The aphro/dio duo boon

[half crater]

nah

just did the math

curse of nausea by a good margin

[clever igloo]

Pretty sure nausea is better even ignoring issues with maintaining all 8 stacks

[split orbit]

But if you can get both! Poison deeps for days

[half crater]

it’s about 42.9% extra damage, vs. low tolerances’ 37.5% and low tolerance is conditional on both applying weakness and keeping stacks up

[split orbit]

Huh. My bad chief. I've always been told LT>CoN

But I always shoot for both

Imo rail is best for hangover builds with how fast it applies stacks, I used to use chaos shield for my status builds

[clever igloo]

Chiron is decent as well

[half crater]

low tolerance can be arguably better on some builds, like chiron bow (where heartbreak strike synergises with bow’s attack much better than curse of agony, and keeping 8 stacks up and the enemy weak is trivial) but in a vacuum CoN is way better

yeah obviously in an ideal world you want both

[clever igloo]

When I run dio hangover builds

I always keep a look out for both aphro and ares

There’s a decent chance you’ll see one of them naturally, so you can force the other later

Did they change the curse of nausea requirements in a patch the switch hasn’t gotten yet?

[half crater]

i don’t think so?

[dusty ridge]

I'm going to give a try to 16 heat, any suggestions for pact and build?

[half crater]

eris rail is a beast

[dusty ridge]

zeus attack I guesss?

[half crater]

yeah

[dusty ridge]

that's what I was planning to try

what about pact config?

[half crater]

just so long as you avoid the annoying pacts (EM4, HS, RI, AP etc.) eris can handle pretty much anything fairly well

[dusty ridge]

aight

for chtonic, is shady good or should I go for a more damage focused?

[half crater]

shady is pretty solid yeah

you wanna avoid taking any LC with him tho

[dusty ridge]

aight

[half crater]

you prolly wanna avoid taking LC at all at 16 anyway tbh

[dusty ridge]

I'm going to give it a try

[half crater]

good luck

[dusty ridge]

ty

[clever igloo]

The wiki is missing a bunch of boons that satisfy the requirement then, odd

[half crater]

wym?

it looks right to me

you need a source of hangover + a source of doom

[clever igloo]

I’m looking at my switch right now

The cast and aid both qualify

[half crater]

for ares? huh

maybe that was changed then

[clever igloo]

Yeah

[half crater]

i’m fairly sure they don’t now, but i’m away from my computer rn so can’t check in game

[dusty ridge]

for which boon?

[clever igloo]

On the switch they do for sure

Must be a patch

If so that’s too bad

[half crater]

curse of nausea is the boon

dio/ares duo

[dusty ridge]

oh, then you don't need a doom but a curse

you can check the requirements in your codex

basically, all of the curse of xxx duo require a curse boon from ares

[half crater]

yeah should be curse of agony/curse of pain/curse of vengeance

i said “doom” because those are the three boons that give you doom

but the word in their name is curse, yes

[unborn pebble]

Mirage Shot (Artemis-Poseidon Duo) doesn't work with Crystal Beam, right?

[clever igloo]

Again, I’m looking at my switch right now and the call and cast both qualify

Pc patch must have changed it

[half crater]

yeah

[clever igloo]

That’s a bummer, makes it much, much harder to get both dio/ares and dio/aphro duos

[dusty ridge]

oh man, I missed having good builds

I've spent a lot of run getting the duos and legendaries I lacked for lists

[fiery ginkgo]

i'm pretty sure mirage shot does work with crystal beam?

[dusty ridge]

and now I finally play optimally again

what special should I take for eris build

[fiery ginkgo]

most are good

i like aphrodite, poseidon, demeter, and athena

basically ones with large percent boosts

if you get the three or five shot special hammers, artemis is awesome too

[dusty ridge]

got the 5 shots

was also considering ares special

[half crater]

two big ones are aphrodite (for smouldering air) or artemis (for fully loaded)

[fiery ginkgo]

i think hades isn't good on it

[dusty ridge]

not sure about pose since I prolly want the targets to be stacked instead of split away

[fiery ginkgo]

i like poseidon on eris, because you're going to want to be standing in the area where it goes off so you get the buff

[half crater]

lol i wrote artemis for fully loaded

i meant support fire

[fiery ginkgo]

and it knocks the dudes trying to hit you away

[half crater]

support fire is amazing on zeus builds

[dusty ridge]

fair

wich call would be the best? athena for easy spam?

[fiery ginkgo]

for call i usually go with the first one of epic rareity, except ares, because i kinda don't like his

[river wing]

it's beyblade time

[fiery ginkgo]

i think of calls as a bonus generally

[half crater]

ares call is indeed very bad

[fiery ginkgo]

i also don't ever get aphrodite

[half crater]

aphro’s is fine

[fiery ginkgo]

ares and aphrodite are my least favorite calls

[river wing]

aphrodite + smoldering air

😄

[clever igloo]

If you’re going Zeus already, Zeus call is a ton of dps

[dusty ridge]

fair

[fiery ginkgo]

i also don't really like demeter's but i can make it work

[half crater]

zeus call is a ton of dps either way

[river wing]

zeus nice. but dio is often a better version of it

unless you've double strike

[half crater]

demeter’s is also very bad

[river wing]

but even then Zeus small range is pain

[clever igloo]

If you have the Zeus passives already Zeus is better

[teal juniper]

Dio is nice but not great if you have other hangover so I've heard

[river wing]

yep

[clever igloo]

On eris I don’t find it a problem since I’m dashing into the aoe anyway

[river wing]

it overwrites..

but even then. it's still prety strong

[teal juniper]

Poseidon's and Athena's are nice

[dusty ridge]

welp, wasted all my rerolls dice trying to get athena's dash

[river wing]

the good thing about dio is that you don't wait for greater call. the normal call is stronger

[teal juniper]

Athena's is just flat out invulnerability

[fiery ginkgo]

i'm really into ares dash these days

[clever igloo]

Yeah Athena is the best imo

[teal juniper]

Poseidon's is tonnes of damage and invulnerability

[river wing]

im really into ares dash too. lol

[clever igloo]

Ares has iframes as well

Call

[fiery ginkgo]

last night i beat the final boss using only tricked out ares dash

[clever igloo]

I also like dio cast on eris a lot

You can cancel cast into special

They hit in roughly the same area

[fiery ginkgo]

you're a walking artillery platform with dio cast

[clever igloo]

If you’re going Zeus attack you can get scintillating feast and it’s a lot of damage

And a lot of meter gain

If you happen to roll targeting you’ve got the nuts

[wild zodiac]

I’m thinking of doing a boonless run on no heat, do you guys have any tips on what to prioritize from most to least useful?

[olive spruce]

use a powerful weapon

e.g. arthur sword or gilgamesh fists

do chaos boons count?

[wild zodiac]

I would say yeah

I also have the mirror reroll for rooms but I’ll only use them if my only option is a boon and can’t purge

[clever igloo]

How are you going to avoid the first room boon?

Hope it’s a hammer?

[olive spruce]

can always get a cast boon and then not use the cast

or something like that

a lot of the boonless runs I watch use the sisyphus keepsake

[wild zodiac]

Oh yeah true

Yeah I’m just hoping I have luck on my side

[olive spruce]

I'm watching this 45 heat boonless run right now

using the rama bow

[wild zodiac]

Oh that might help!

[fiery ginkgo]

man boonless at 45 heat sounds hard

[olive spruce]

tbh for me any run without divine dash is hard

[fiery ginkgo]

oh man

i know it's not as easy

but it's worth getting used to not divine dash to use ares and poseidon dashes

they are two of the most fun boons in the whole game

[olive spruce]

poseidon dash is pretty fun, it's true

might have to try ares dash some more though

[river wing]

im ares dash simp

[fiery ginkgo]

ares dash is especially good with demeter fists

[river wing]

it's a little hard to tell if im getting hit or if the red number is from the blades tho. tbh

[fiery ginkgo]

you're right, which is why i have developed my "don't get hit" strategy

[rare kindle]

Poseidon dash is so great for Styx

[teal quest]

Tidal dash + Greatest reflex + Typhoon's fury = SORRY COMING THOUGH

[fiery ginkgo]

for bonus fun, the zeus poseidon duo hits em with lightning too

[edgy glade]

Hi, are attack boons bonus damage affect dash-attack damage?

[keen delta]

What's the best aspect for the spear?

[edgy glade]

Cause i've seen Artemis boon for dash strike, but no other god

[opal lodge]

yes they affect dash strike damage too

achilles and hades are pretty solid

achilles is very high APM

[keen delta]

apm?

[opal lodge]

GY is good but punishing if youre not used to it

actions per minute

you press a lot of buttons

[keen delta]

Ooo

[teal juniper]

hmm, excalibur, aphrodite with additional weak stuff to make it stronger, unshakeable mettle, and bronze skin for a damage reduction build maybe?

[cunning urchin]

Sure. Just throw on any DR and Dodge you can find.

[calm bluff]

i like any build i can just mash buttons with to win

lul

[primal grotto]

So the sword

[hybrid token]

whats a good spear build?

[proven osprey]

depends

what aspect

[primal hazel]

Every spear except zag aspect be good ^^

[primal hazel]

How is ares dash especially good with demeter

How is ares dash good

[faint sonnet]

So I need an explanation on Damage calculation, because the Wiki does not go into specific detail.
Are there any multiplicative damage bonuses in the game, and where do they get applied within damage calculation?
For example: Privileged status gives +40% damage, but is it +40% of damage at the start:
(Ex. base damage 100, +50% damage boon.)
100+50%+40%= 190 damage ?
OR
100+50% = 150 +40% = 210 damage?
My assumption ALL damage bonuses are additive, i.e the former, but I don't know if any are not, i.e the latter.

[primal hazel]

Crit is multiplicative

Everything else is additive

[faint sonnet]

Oh ok

[primal hazel]

So boons damage percentages get counted together then applied

Crit gets applied afterwards

Anything that ups crit damage goes towards the multiplier

So heart rend is +50%
So crit would be +250%, calculated last

[faint sonnet]

Right that answers two, my next was going to be if things like heart rend would be +50% of the multiplier xD

Thanks!

[primal hazel]

Ur welcome

[unkempt pagoda]

heart rend is +150% btw

so it'd be +350%, or 4.5x damage

[primal hazel]

Oh my bad

It's not reworded yet on switch

[faint sonnet]

Wait so what about Ares' "Urge to Kill"?

[unkempt pagoda]

ah

[proven osprey]

additive

[faint sonnet]

10% isn't a small amount but at the same time it sounds like it..

[proven osprey]

it's bad

[faint sonnet]

oh ok

[primal hazel]

Ares damage boons are bad xD

[unkempt pagoda]

crit and "charged special" hammers are the only multiplicative offensive numbers

[primal hazel]

Charged skewer etc?

[unkempt pagoda]

(charged special hammers say +x% base damage)

[unkempt pagoda]

yep

[proven osprey]

chonky numbers

[unkempt pagoda]

so don't confuse it with charged shot, since it's an attack hammer :p

[primal hazel]

Always feels good when ya learn something new

Thanks m8

[turbid needle]

for aspect of hera do cast buffs work with it too

[primal hazel]

Cast buffs empower casts

With hera you fire your casts

So yes

[turbid needle]

kinda fire

[primal hazel]

Does piercing wave with athena boon reflect?

Unfortunately arthur has too big of a range to clearly see for me xD

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[primal hazel]

Thanks for the confirmation

[lime lynx]

Hi @cunning urchin Did you make the spreadsheet with the damage modifiers? I was coincidentally JUST looking at it. Are there any other data sheets, especially ones where I could find the base numbers for each weapon? Also, I am a very casual player and don't get the the min/max for a boon with the same rarity.

Also I assume there is no API and you have to manually update it every time something is patched?

[primal hazel]

Weapon base damage you should be able to look up in wiki

Although just testing and writing down in courtyard shouldn't take too long

[lime lynx]

The small numbers that pop up?

[cunning urchin]

Min/max is the minimum and maximum you can roll at that rarity.

[lime lynx]

So you could roll any value between those two?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

I need to fix some of the Special numbers sometime.

[lime lynx]

Eg. Epic heartbreak strike could be anywhere between +90 and 100% based on RNG? like 93%

[cunning urchin]

m sure you could find everything in the .lua files, but I didn't do that.

Yep.

[lime lynx]

I play on a switch and do not have access to the files, but will take a look at the wiki, ty both of you.

One last question, what's the number next to the rarity?

e.g Rare(min) 0.3, Rare(max) 0.5

[cunning urchin]

I'll message you tomorrow if somebody else hasn't explained it by then. I need to sleep. Midterm exam tomorrow.

[lime lynx]

no worries, thank you and good luck!

[frail schooner]

isn’t battle rage pretty good

for some builds

[primal hazel]

Idk if I'd ever go out if my way to get in on a build

May be decent on a rama attack or maybe hestia

[royal helm]

The on kill damage? I think it's alright

It does basically nothing on bosses, but does help room clearing

Kind of like a slightly worse Hydraulic Might

[primal hazel]

Aside champs all bosses have ads in some way

It's problem is that it only counts for the first attack
So on a lot of aspects it's wasted

For arthur f.e. you'd ideally want it in your third slash

[rare kindle]

for deadly reversal, even if you remove the athena attack later, it'll still proc on divine dash, right?

[opal lodge]

yeah

[rare kindle]

considering forcing aphrodite for the possibility of aphrodite/artemis duo

[opal lodge]

thats a lot to hope for

im assuming chiron?

[rare kindle]

yep, chiron

i'm terrible at bow and I heard this was one of the better bows

[primal hazel]

Heart rend is better than deadly reversal on chiron imo

Or in general

Cause it's +150% onto crit

[rare kindle]

I have divine dash too so if I can even get heart rend I can have both duos

[primal hazel]

Ikik usually you aim for aphro in tartarus if you don't get her by then

I'm assuming athena just appeared normally?

[rare kindle]

yep

Forced artemis, athena just showed up so I took her dash and attack to try for the duo, which I got at the shop shortly before furies

[primal hazel]

Ah ok mbad

[turbid needle]

today I discovered the silliness of arthur + fiery presence

[primal hazel]

Backstab be sicker with shadow slash doe

But tbf I'm a filthy backstab stone

[proven osprey]

*stone

[primal hazel]

Thanks for correcting

[proven osprey]

My pleasure

[turbid needle]

I love backstab arthur dont get it twisted

its just the sheer silly factor of oneshotting everything

[primal hazel]

That rama moment

[turbid needle]

I had it with that one ares boon that gave me like +250% dmg after a kill

[primal hazel]

The only time that boon is ok xD

[full flax]

I have a question concerning damage buffs.