#h1-builds-and-combat
bright fossil
bright fossil
i mean i only take Hangover from special
that is like the only useful one
for hangover build
and fountain damage buff and the slow on hangover i guess
obtuse herald
tbf isn't most non hammer bow builds really about the special
frank dew
i like dio call not for chiron obviously tho
bright fossil
i mean chiron with hangover special is basically Dio call lmao
frank dew
no its not
bright fossil
but it's a burst instead of doing over time for the whole fight
i guess that is the difference
teal juniper
yeah
frank dew
you can keep dio call up all the time
bright fossil
Aphro duo boon with hades one is quite easy to get
frank dew
or rather have the dot applied all the time
bright fossil
but man does Artemis hate me
obtuse herald
artemis lotahes me on every wep but knuckle
teal juniper
So I posted in discussion about a potential backstab build? use nyx's keepsake, try and get shadowslash hammer and a high level expose from athena on the sword?
bright fossil
Aphro Athena duo boon?
teal juniper
with a theoretical 295% damage bonus on the attack
bright fossil
Arthur?
obtuse herald
i wanna get better with the sword, what are decent builds
frank dew
you can get way way higher than that
teal juniper
for backstab damage?
obtuse herald
i havent even gotten a hades clear with the sword
frank dew
theres chaos boons that give like 130%
frank dew
and you can have more than one of those if you get lucky
bright fossil
sometimes
teal juniper
oh ofc I forget chaos
bright fossil
if i can crit
obtuse herald
what aspect?
obtuse herald
ooh thats what arthur ment
frank dew
i have had runs with around 400% backstab it honestly was abit annoying to make sure you were always behind since it made such a diff
teal juniper
so probably either cast or special athena with expose, artemis on main attack, and the aforementioned keepshakes and hammers
probably gonna try that for my next run then
frank dew
nah you go athena attack
bright fossil
but the crit
frank dew
and you run artemis somewhere else and get artemis duo
bright fossil
frank dew
gives you 20% crit and it has higher dmg
and you gain the expose easily aswell as a good deflect tool
obtuse herald
how do you unlock aspect of arthur?
frank dew
theres info on that in either the spoiler chan or the new player chan
i cant remember it was so long ago
half crater
yeah in the pins in #h1-story-discussion there's info on how to unlock all the hidden aspects
obtuse herald
gotcha, i'll just run without an aspect on sword.
like i said super unfamiliar with sword, what should i be looking for?
frank dew
the special is usually not great but its also not horrible it kinda comes down to if you want athena dash i guess
teal juniper
spreading weak around is nice for privileged status, so probably dash or flourish
obtuse herald
theirs much better special options im assuming
frank dew
special is just not that great of a attack cause its somewhat slow
its decent to take out low hp enemies that swarm
obtuse herald
yeah i mainly went special for the buff
what would you choose with aphro dash and dio special
frank dew
double edge is the best sword hammer
bright fossil
for dash builds
frank dew
the way you want to play with sword is to primarily use the dash attack cause if you use the regular combo you do that knockback and that disrubts the attack chain and lets enemies get out of the stagger
unless you are playing Arthus ofc
obtuse herald
would you guys go with aphro/dio or athena
cosmic hornet
athena’s call is good
proven osprey
what aspect do you plan to run
bright fossil
Poseidon aspect is pretty fun
with exist wound
and any cast of choice that stick i guess
obtuse herald
ive gotten 1 hammer and 2 boones this entire run
this is crazy
im at elysium with no dps
bright fossil
sounds normal
it happens
i could have the most perfect run ever and then 4 butterfly orbs with some invincible crystals show up duing Hades
obtuse herald
each room takes over a minute
obtuse herald
whats the best shield aspect
river wing
lmao i held down spacebar https://streamable.com/y2f4e1
obtuse herald
since i wont be able to unlock arthur for a while
river wing
since that worked so well, i did it for the next fight as well. https://pasteboard.co/JB5EpK8.png
🤣 spacebar holding ftw
will try on dad
river wing
well. i lost 2 dd while holding space for dad in phase 1... and gave up to play normally
but holding space for phase 2 went super well
obtuse herald
the charon boss fight was really unexpected
bright fossil
@rare kayak why is Special focus good on Guan yu again?
river wing
with charged skewer it goes up to 135 base damage
rare kayak
and also the hitbox on that thing is bonkers
its basically built in explosive launcer
sly arch
What kinda build should I be going for with aspect of hera? Im guessing casting?
bright fossil
Maybe Artemis?
river wing
get snow burst from demeter
get a nice cast like aphro, lightning phalanx
parting shot kinda cool on hera
sly arch
is ares' cast good on hera?
proven osprey
No at all sir
sly arch
welp, doom on special it is then
hmmm, charged volley, concentrated volley, or explosive shot on hera?
bright fossil
iirc hades has one boon that even boost cast damage right?
explosive i guess?
since Hera doesn't really focus on volley
sly arch
man the slower charge makes it hard to use tho
clever igloo
Yeah you want to avoid that one in the future lol
sly arch
gonna reroll
clever igloo
It slows down your shot which is key to hera’s core strategy
Better to take something that’s mostly useless
sly arch
is dio's cast good for hera?
wanton hound
im a bit confused at hestia rail's playstyle
do i just want to take 1 shot and reload over and over?
wanton hound
is that really more damage than just holding attack?
clever igloo
Yeah
wanton hound
do you need crit to make it do more damage than holding attack, or is it already higher to start
clever igloo
I’m not sure where the cutoff is
My guess is it’s best to reload from the get go but not sure
Tartarus is also weird
sly arch
hmmmm, doom on attack or doom on special
clever igloo
Lots of low hp enemies where hestia damage is extreme overkill
Against trash you can clean them up with normal shots
proven osprey
do you need crit to make it do more damage than holding attack, or is it already...
higher already
wanton hound
i wish i could unlock the aspects faster, i'm afraid i'm going to burn out before i even unlock them, let alone maxing them
sly arch
Im thinking attack since im gonna be getting most of my attack damage from casts anyway, so the lack of a straight damage buff is not an issue
clever igloo
Once you start clearing consistently the blood rolls in
proven osprey
you may hold attack to clear trash
wanton hound
thanks, i was thinking reloading every shot seems like a waste of ammo. but im glad i was wrong
sly arch
but being able to apply doom to a bunch of weak bois seems very nice too
clever igloo
Remember to dash cancel the reload
wanton hound
im gonna remap my buttons next time i play
wanton hound
because R3 reload is 🤮
wanton hound
i think i'll swap mine with codex, i tend to press that on accident a lot and it bugs me
clever igloo
Luckily you can’t open it in combat
But yeah that works
For certain aspects I also move cast from A to L2
Like beowulf, hera
wanton hound
i just had a run with chain spear doom special, 3 forked athena attack
that was juicy 
very fun to zoom around and doom everything
clever igloo
hmmmm, doom on attack or doom on special
Either is fine, neither is really key to the build
sly arch
I took attack because it helps finish off enemies who are just out of reach of a single loaded cast
clever igloo
Yeah that’s fine
proven osprey
the answer is always three casts
clever igloo
Lol
languid dagger
guys, Merciful End - decent duo or nah? Was think of ways I could play Aspect of Nemesis, thought maybe going for Ares on Special and Athena on attack might work out
(don't wanna go typical Aphro + Artemis route for crits, did that too many times)
primal hazel
It's insane
languid dagger
let's roll it then
also, chaos boons for attack and special do not affect doom damage, do they?
primal hazel
Nope
vast dew
Best Twin Fists Aspect?
primal hazel
Demeter
ornate prawn
languid dagger
guys, does flurry slash work well with Nemesis gameplay? I feel like I am only doing dash strikes after special
I have double dash strike hammer (lucky, I know), and I am offered this
unkempt pagoda
flurry only affects the attack, not the dash strike
languid dagger
flurry slash, super nova or piercing wave
I think either super nova or piercing wave
mellow quest
flurry slash is an extremely specific/niche pick
bright fossil
super nova seems decent depends on your build
unkempt pagoda
dash strike spam is the optimal way to play nemesis, probably just piercing
mellow quest
you already have double edge which is THE best nemesis hammer
mellow quest
there's no compelling reason to go away from that
unkempt pagoda
wait, does piercing wave work with dash strike?
languid dagger
does it not?
mellow quest
it does
unkempt pagoda
i know most attack hammers for sword don't
mellow quest
most of the attack hammers won't work but that one does
languid dagger
it is my favourite hammer for Zagreus aspect
primal hazel
Only 3 hammer affect sword dash strike afaik
Bleaching, piercing wave and ofc double edge
barren plume
Best aspect for lucifer gun?
languid dagger
Aspect of Eris 🙂
unkempt pagoda
i would assume the best aspect for luci is luci 😛
barren plume
My 2 hour of sleep brain is doing mighty fine.
I meant to say boon.
Or god
I know eris is best qq
fading pecan
Why must I like almost every aspect I don’t have enough titan blood for all this love 
barren plume
So the two gods I had already thought of right off the bat. Noice.
primal hazel
Super soaker mean tempest strike meme
primal hazel
Why must I like almost every aspect I don’t have enough titan blood for all this...
Same
I'm finally there though
If you're as grindy as me you can prolly look at like 160 hrs for that xDD
fading pecan
Is there enough titan blood in the game to max every aspect eventually, or is it a “pick your favourites or die I guess” kinda deal?
primal hazel
More than enough obvs
Also you can still trade in stuff
I'm not through with all the bounties, have all's keepsakes maxed and only have to max like 3 zag aspects
And I'm only at a bit over 3/4 of bounty completion
languid dagger
Aspect of Nemesis Doom/Athena build turned out to be pretty strong in the end. It can be dodgy while leveling, but after getting THREE duo boons I killed 2 stages father in 1:08
primal hazel
That's ME for you
bright fossil
end mercifully
languid dagger
well, I also had Smoldering Air + Billowing Strength + Jolted + Double strike
that helped the damage a lot
rare kayak
i consider it the best boon in the game
languid dagger
and Hermes passive for dodge chance after Special
bright fossil
way better then whatever Hades+Aphro is
clever igloo
Is there enough titan blood in the game to max every aspect eventually, or is it...
There’s unlimited, you can get blood by buying it in Styx or a perfect catch on the endboss level
primal hazel
I wanna see that hades boon
languid dagger
so I was always under Billowing and Second Wind
fading pecan
Are Merciful End and Curse of Longing basically the same? I haven’t gotten Merciful end yet because I always pick dash over tier 1 Athena boons
clever igloo
They’re very different
languid dagger
Merciful End - how does it work? Just a random revenge attack out of your arsenal every three seconds?
clever igloo
Whenever you hit an enemy with an attack that can deflect
If that enemy has doom on it
The doom damage will trigger immediately instead of waiting until the end of its countdown
bright fossil
basically spamming doom
mellow quest
merciful end and vengeful mood are two different things
languid dagger
it's a shame I did not have Ares passive that increases doom damage for the price of delay
sly arch
Which rail aspect is best (of the first three), by that i mean which is easiest to use?
clever igloo
Umm
bright fossil
i like the 3rd one
bright fossil
third one with zeus is easy to clear low heat
fading pecan
Oh that’s really nice, especially if you have the Ares boon that makes doom way stronger but take longer
clever igloo
Yeah
primal hazel
Eris
No question
bright fossil
yeah Merciful End basically get rid if that problem
clever igloo
I usually run it on fists with Athena dash
primal hazel
Merciful End makes that an advantage
languid dagger
also had it this run
primal hazel
More time to trigger
bright fossil
i usually run fist with Zeus
sly arch
so I should unlock eris?
primal hazel
Max
bright fossil
for some reasons
fading pecan
yeah I’m definitely going to try for that now
bright fossil
punchy lightning fun i guess
clever igloo
Zeus is good on fists
bright fossil
and like with demete aspect with demeter special is fun
which can duo with Zeus
tho facetanking sometime bites my ass
languid dagger
so how does Vengeful Mood work?
clever igloo
If it’s the Zeus ares duo, it just makes your revenge boons proc automatically every few seconds
It’s... ok if you got forced into it, but not something I’d go for
bright fossil
just don't get hit smh
languid dagger
and it hits with just one boon?
fading pecan
I was really struggling with dash-strikes with Athena dash, and then I realized that if I don’t think about it enough my thumb does “attack-dash” instead of “dash-attack” and that is how I was still losing DDs with life drain on my sword
clever igloo
and it hits with just one boon?
All of them
fading pecan
Embarrassing xD
languid dagger
all of them? Because I had like four revenge boons
and it still felt meh
like at the same time I mean
bright fossil
i mean
wanton hound
is it reasonably doable to get a full clear while focusing meta currency/coins for the final charon shop?
primal hazel
is it reasonably doable to get a full clear while focusing meta currency/coins f...
Depends on your skill
bright fossil
i mean i usually saving my coind as much as possible
primal hazel
Or you just do zero heat farm
Then it's ez
If you need to save coin your not taking enough money rooms
Also chaos boon that gives you more money goes a long way
tidal tide
iirc theres this hammer in the sword that gives you additional damage dependent to your coin
primal hazel
That hammer is only for fun tho
tidal tide
so maybe you might want that if you are wanting to stack up a whole bunch of coins
fading pecan
I never take that one because I’ll have certainly spent all my coin before the final boss
primal hazel
It's only 5% flat damage and doesn't count for dash strike
fading pecan
I should to get the prophecy though
bright fossil
do farm run i guess
tidal tide
prophecy be like: break your build, ill give you gems for a better house
me: but i want duo boons
rare kayak
hoarding slash meme runs are pretty fun
almost killed em4 hades with one but i died
pretty good run too i had flurry and around 5k money
you’ll want golden touch in mirror and an early hoarding slash
hope for flurry slash in elysium
equip bouldy, grab chaos gates, poseidon and athena
and take fated authority instead of fated persuasion to get more obols
by styx you’ll be doing about 200 damage per sword attack
250
admittedly the run is pretty one dimensional
river wing
did you take zag sword?
rare kayak
hoarding slash isnt affected by damage multipliers like aphrodite or artemis
river wing
i find that zag sword works better with non % stuff. lol.
olive spruce
when I want big damage on sword I usually go with Arthur
river wing
like lightning strike, support fire etc
olive spruce
blade fists
river wing
piercing wave is really nice too
rare kayak
i nevr run arthur anymore lol
river wing
all the flat damage stuff. adding up
rare kayak
its so horrible on dc pact
olive spruce
fair enough
mellow quest
lightning strike on sword? even common deadly strike still adds 10 damage
rare kayak
cancelling special with dash at last second because you’re bad gang represent 😔 ✊
olive spruce
do people like jolted for lightning damage?
rare kayak
its pretty beefy but you want it on something you can apply often
river wing
jolted is okay.
olive spruce
I like lightning on fists and rail
river wing
jolted with global damage boost and FO2 is amazing
like on eris. it hits like truck
but otherwise. it's only okay
mellow quest
actually i'm dumb and was thinking of the special 50 base damage
river wing
also unlike fist/rail. lightning strike sword easily hits multiple targets which clears out groups decently fast.
tidal tide
ive heard that the zeus build is reallllly powerful, i want guides on how/which weapon would be cool, and which god would help zeus the most. I love anything, personal opinions/experiences be the best
primal hazel
Eris and fists are an option
primal hazel
Poseidon for sea storm
Aphrodite with zeus aid for smoldering air
primal hazel
That's an entirely different build
tidal tide
oh?
clever igloo
It’s really not
Easy to grab trippy shot when you’re already focusing on Zeus to grab scintillating feast
Works well
primal hazel
If you build dio cast you want either hera or beo
primal hazel
Putting it on another build might muddle your pool
clever igloo
It doesn’t
primal hazel
If you take dio cast
You also need zeus and their duo
If you don't already have them in your build it muddles that
clever igloo
No
primal hazel
Hera and beo remove the lob and make it easier to placr
clever igloo
Most Zeus builds aren’t doing anything special with the cast
clever igloo
You can grab trippy shot easily if it shows up and pick up the duo if it also appears
primal hazel
I said if it's not already in your build
clever igloo
It hardly affects the boon pool
primal hazel
If you're doing a Zeus Bild and have slots for one more god you can take it
primal hazel
...
Usually you build around it
You don't have to
In a lot of cases if you take scintillating feast you want it to be the focus of you build
You don't have to do that
But it makes it more powerul
clever igloo
I’m just rolling my eyes at this point
clever igloo
“That’s a totally different build”
“Actually I’m talking about a totally different build”
Lol
No, you’re just saying really odd things
primal hazel
If you build scintillating feast it's can be its own build
It doesn't have to
I prefer it
You like it as an addition to ur damage
I wasn't precise enough
clever igloo
It’s entirely wrong
primal hazel
Also I wouldn't call myself insistent if I adapt my opinion to say differently
It can be its own build
It doesn't have to be
clever igloo
Whatever makes you feel better
gray shore
Easy to grab trippy shot when you’re already focusing on Zeus to grab scintillat...
Honestly one of the nice things about this game is you can go in with a build in mind
but you don't really have complete control exactly what boons you get
clever igloo
Yeah
gray shore
i've gone into runs thinking merciful end
clever igloo
If I see dio I grab it
clever igloo
If I see poseidon I’ll grab something else
gray shore
i would categorise those builds as separate
clever igloo
Zeus builds are flexible
turbid needle
Is there a place that shows builds, like a website?
clever igloo
Merciful end and deadly reversal are quite different
gray shore
eh. nothing on any website tends to be up to date
they are different but
i've taken divine flourish
clever igloo
But in any event, it’s not a good idea to tell people not to take dio cast unless they are running beowulf or Hera
gray shore
wanted to see ares
and then got shown arty spam
I understand your point
dio cast is just generically good
albeit slow lob time
clever igloo
Scintillating feast specifically works well if you’re already aiming for Zeus
primal hazel
Guess bc I'm playing on switch I'm having a bit of a different view
Cause the lob is uber annoying
gray shore
Oh yah
KBM has great precision of shooting
but terrible movement controls
give some take some
primal hazel
Obvs scintillating is an option with zeus builds
clever igloo
I play on switch, it’s fine
primal hazel
1.0
clever igloo
I don’t think you’re going to find a resource like that usui
gray shore
we were laughing about how some guides were recommending Hermes
turbid needle
What changed with 1.0?
clever igloo
This isn’t a game where you can plan details of your vuild like that
gray shore
if you wanna watch some up to date info that may push you in the right direction
look out on youtube
turbid needle
You can kind of get rationale
gray shore
there are content creators
clever igloo
Best thing imo is to watch runs
gray shore
watch their vids
clever igloo
And follow the decisions they make on boon choices and why
gray shore
reading a guide that recommends boons online
clever igloo
Haelian is very good
turbid needle
K. I'm still new so I'll keep playing and make my own bad opinion first before I learn gud
clever igloo
Yeah, a lot of the stuff that shows up from reddit via google searches is way outdated too
gray shore
bear in mind, your ideas about the game will change as you get more mechanics opened up to you
especially mirror etc
and weapons changes
just go in with an open mind imo
been coaching a few friends who were new and
you know, some builds are extremely noob friendly and feel strong early but
falls off
gray shore
Yah right
clever igloo
I don’t use it much anymore
clever igloo
Yeah exactly
river wing
ehm. do you dash the same distance up and down. as you do sideways with gilgamesh when using a controller?
olive spruce
merciful end on chaos shield slaps
river wing
mercful end slaps on everything
olive spruce
IMO especially chaos aspect
for crowd control
I really loved the spear at the beginning but now I don't like it as much
I really want to but I find it a lot harder to play well
gray shore
merciful end on chaos shield slaps
merciful end on chaos shield slaps
fixed that for you
oh
i was late to the party xD
primal hazel
No reason not to celebrate
gray shore
sly arch
Merciful end was good to me even on hera bow
Doom on attack and deflect on special
I’d just load up my casts, shoot and then immediately special to trigger doom
clever igloo
I really loved the spear at the beginning but now I don't like it as much
I hated the spear until I discovered achilles cast builds
dry ember
Correct. Achilles is an NPC.
fringe steppe
Is there some sheet with builds or smth?
primal hazel
I can dm you mine
Not ordered by quality tho
dry ember
Is there some sheet with builds or smth?
there is like a pinned guide on #h1-for-new-players
but it's for beginners w/o aspects
fringe steppe
I can dm you mine
Not ordered by quality tho
Sure man
fringe steppe
there is like a pinned guide on <#725021347968712724>
Ar, i'll check that out
dry ember
you can also ask here. just ask for an aspect build, people can usually give you the popular options
frigid bear
what is the best keepsake to use on excalibur ?
currently using patroculus cause I like him
cunning urchin
Well, meta is Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Strike, or Divine Strike.
I think Deadly is probably the most popular, though. But I prefer Heartbreak Strike, personally.
opal lodge
you know the most important part of any arthur build is hunter dash 
dry ember
Except Hunter Dash on Arthur is doodoo tier. SGG please let Hunter Dash works with Arthur combo
nothing wrong would come out of that
opal lodge
its speed meta but makes me want to vomit
frigid bear
yeah thx
opal lodge
hunter dash arthur is gross
cunning urchin
Passion Dash is optimal on all aspects.
river wing
i just tried a run with controller and mouse. controller movement is so much better, it's crazy. i wasn't expecting this at all
why do we dash further up and down compared to sideways. do we? it sure seems like so.
esp when having blade dash and leaving those things behind it seems like there' a gap for up down. but no gap for sideways
that's so weird
dry ember
why do we dash further up and down compared to sideways.
I don't feel that way. Maybe just the isometric perspective?
river wing
i thought so too. but the gap between the rift blade looks like it could fit an enemy. lol
cunning urchin
sly arch
Wait do people use charon’s keepsake?
gleaming bramble
Hey everyone. Are there other cast build other than crystal build and ares/artemis ?
sly arch
I usually bring it for the first floor for the extra money then switch
fading pecan
Question about aspect of chaos, I understand that it was changed, but it still has the same amount of damage against single targets?
sly arch
Also dio’s cast can work for cast builds
gleaming bramble
oh yeah ? will try, thanks
dry ember
Wait do people use charon’s keepsake?
Yeah I like it for biome 3.
fading pecan
Or rather, I’m asking IF it still does the same damage on single targets. So one can play it well if they think of it like chiron (without the tracking)
dry ember
I usually bring it for the first floor for the extra money then switch
Do you mean Hypnos, not Charon?
dry ember
I use it for Asphodel and Elysium
dry ember
Still much prefer God keepsake for Tartarus
dry ember
Or rather, I’m asking IF it still does the same damage on single targets. So one...
From my limited testings, single target damage seems fine.
fading pecan
Okay, I was all excited about investing in it but I’ve heard people are unhappy with it these days - I still might, though.
sly arch
how do i build aspect of eris rail?
sonic mural
zeus attack + poseidon dash + artemis/aphrodite special
sly arch
time to reroll attempts till i get zeus attack
untold iris
just start with thunder signet
sly arch
I did, but i didnt get attack, luckily i tried the egg and got poseidon dash so its all good
fleet zinc
I have a crazy combo going right now. I’ve got Ares + Zeus that revenge skills proc every three seconds. the Ares + Aphrodite duo that doom continues to hit weak foes. And Ares and Aphrodite’s revenge skills. So every three seconds I inflict Doom + Weak on everything around me. Pretty fun!
As well as weak lasts longer, and weak take more damage
pseudo stream
does Chaos Dash-Strike bonus work on spear spin dashes?
proven osprey
Well it's not a dash strike since you keep your i frames
So I would assume that you don't get it
The bonus
Not my answer
cunning urchin
Yeah, you don't.
opal lodge
charons keepsake is genuinely amazing on cast builds
just remember to check well before equipping anything
sly arch
zeus attack + poseidon dash + artemis/aphrodite special
I got this and holy crap its disgusting
Artemis special
With athena cast too because why not
unborn pebble
Is the Hydra still "skippable" if you time it right or was that removed in a patch?
opal lodge
removed in patch
athena cast isn't the best
just because it will add lightning phalanx to your pool
decreasing the chances you see sea storm
same reason why you run stygian instead of infernal on eris
turbid needle
Very.
Not much worth taking on Zag Aspect, but it's super strong on Eris and usable on Hestia.
You still manually reload to get the damage bonus.
opal lodge
imo eris hammers go cluster=rocket>delta chamber > the rest
turbid needle
Triple above Delta Chamber.
sly arch
Okay this is ridiculous, repeated dash attacks with delta chamber is awesome
got seastorm, time for things to get CUHRAZY
AND Supporting fire, im a touhou boss now
clever igloo
Cluster is king on eris rail imo
pliant anvil
cluster/rockets yeah
torpid abyss
opal lodge
pressure points ez
stoic sapphire
heroic cast means it's replacing yourc prevous doesn't it?
sonic mural
I got this and holy crap its disgusting
Ikr this build allows u to play so aggro its super fun
stoic sapphire
didn't someone say that at some point?
opal lodge
yes that is the case
sonic mural
Like bosses just melt with it
stoic sapphire
I forget why I was thinking that artemis cast hera would be good.
clever igloo
I wouldn’t take it 😕
smoky horizon
hmm, any recommended builds for ||guan yu aspect?|| been trying to juggle clearing with different aspects for weapons
proven osprey
YES
dry ember
Deadly Flourish + Charged Skewer + whatever else.
proven osprey
dry ember
Try it. It's fun, it's great.
smoky horizon
hrmm, okay - i won't get it backwards this time lol
cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish + Charged Skewer + whatever else.
- Heartbreak Strike + Heart Rend
unborn pebble
So I saw something interesting about Phalanx Cast with Parting Shot (Aphro-Athena Duo) and that it supposedly lets the Cast backstab from the front.
Is this true for Phalanx Flare (Athena Beo-Cast)?
Or rather, since it seems "backstab from the front" is an Athena Cast mechanic, does Phalanx Flare act like Phalanx Shot in that it deals "backstab damage" to enemies no matter where they are hit?
opal lodge
you cant get parting shot on beo i dont think
but its mostly about hera bow phalanx shot
where if you hit the enemy with the arrow your cast will auto backstab
unborn pebble
You can get Parting shot on Beo. You just need a second Athena core boon to complete the combo.
unkempt pagoda
you're not supposed to get parting shot on beo
unborn pebble
Oh, so that's a bug, then?
unkempt pagoda
it was supposed to be removed from beo's pool in the last patch, but ending up not actually being removed
fading pecan
If you get a god you don’t want for your four gods, does purging the skill at the pool of purging actually do anything, or have you just weakened yourself for no reason?
unkempt pagoda
you get gold 👍
unborn pebble
But Hera Bow, huh? Ok, quick question with that: the Infernal Soul only "drop stones faster" boon from Hermes, does that change the speed with the level of your Hera Aspect (like the "faster cast reload" boon does for different levels of Stygian Soul)?
unkempt pagoda
they stack
unborn pebble
ohhhh
fading pecan
Okay, but you’ve still lost your chance to get that other fourth god you wanted?
unkempt pagoda
you basically get insta-drops
unborn pebble
Keepsakes is your way out, Kelsey.
unkempt pagoda
force the god with a keepsake
pretty sure forced gods are simply added to your pool as a fifth slot, iirc
unborn pebble
There's another reason to sell boons too; making sure that any Poms you pick up hits the main damage boons.
fading pecan
Oh I see! Okay, thank you then
unborn pebble
You can have, at least, up to six non-hermes gods 
unkempt pagoda
7 i think
unborn pebble
I once fudged up a run quite a bit by going down a chaos gate in Tartarus and got offered 3 non-keepsake gods.
unkempt pagoda
if you force in styx too
unborn pebble
Then you should be able to get 8.
unkempt pagoda
nope
unborn pebble
Can't be offered more than 3 non-keepsake boons in tartarus?
unkempt pagoda
4 in tartarus, then +1 aspho, +1 elysium, +1 styx
opal lodge
you can get 4 different gods in tart
unkempt pagoda
and of course, +1 for hermes
unkempt pagoda
forcing a god in tart just puts it into a slot, since none of them are filled yet, no?
still vigil
i took dio atk and aphro special on gilga and almost beat em4 hades on 32 heat
almost
opal lodge
if i end with 8 gods and hermes im dropping my venmo
unborn pebble
Yeah, if you don't get your keepsake boon before you fill 4 god slots it should be possible, but I guess that Tart is on a different limit?
opal lodge
5 in tart might be possible if you see 3 before midshop
unkempt pagoda
ah
opal lodge
then another in the midshop and a 5th in miniboss right after
unborn pebble
Because isn't the "post midshop" miniboss ALWAYS your keepsake god if you haven't gotten it already?
still vigil
...is it?
unkempt pagoda
if you have a choice of chambers, then not always
unborn pebble
Tbf, I have never been offered more than a single path for miniboss encounters out of the Tartarus midshop if I chose the shop instead of an offered miniboss...
Might just be me not having the number of runs for that to happen yet.
unique lichen
i have to say i aspect of lucifer is really working for me
sullen valley
How do you use it? I find it a bit weird, myself.
unique lichen
i like either zeus flurish since the lightning bolt it triggers will set off the bomb or the awe buff with athena is really fun to
best build was posiden no reload super soaker with sea in storm so it just lightning nuked over and over
with high rarity greater reflex you can just only move with dash which does not stop you beam so you can get around the wind up time
just works for my brain i guess, on the flipside i can't get past 1 heat with spear
unkempt pagoda
my luci build that beat heat 40 was triple greater inferno with divine flourish
spamming the special for constant defense and pretty good offense was key
especially since luci has such issues with defense
opal lodge
usually i think divine flourish or deadly flourish is nice
for the soaker i like either
divine makes furies fight much faster unless you get tartarus sea storm
fading pecan
Oh man, I just unlocked Aspect of Poseidon and also used infernal soul for the first time, and I don’t know which factor it is or a combination, but not taking damage and managing the crystals is HARD
opal lodge
can be difficult
getting used to picking up bloodstones if you usually run stygian can be hard
fading pecan
I hope I’ll get better at it with practice, but any tips or insights?
opal lodge
i would say dont focus on playing go fetch with bloodstones
like fi you're running zeus cast and one of your bloodstones goes into the middle of nowhere
you still have a functional sword
fading pecan
Yeah good point, I think I need to be less single minded with the casts and bloodstones on my next try
If there was some kind of vacuum effect you could unlock in the mirror of night to help reclaim them it would be so nice
opal lodge
they have a pretty generous radius for pickup if you dont have lightning rod
rod decreases pickup radius
fading pecan
That does make sense with how it works
Okay, time to take a break and make dinner - thank you, Bright01!
opal lodge
anytime
maiden wolf
which would be better on Chiron + dionysus spec, relentless volley or concentrated volley?
sonic mural
what level chiron?
maiden wolf
max
clever blade
Help me I can't beat 1 heat. Is there a video I should watch?
sand sparrow
What specific pact are you using
If you're having trouble with that just use the timer
36 minutes to beat the game without any other pact is pretty easy
turbid needle
Concentrated Volley adds more damage. It's +3 on every arrow additively. First deals 10, then 13, then 16, 19, 22, so on and so forth.
fringe steppe
Whats the best cast build rn?
fringe steppe
I tried Ares many times, but that didnt work out well
fringe steppe
what duo?
regal jewel
the cast increase speed and seek for foes
regal jewel
cast build is fun playing but rng af
sullen valley
Guan Yu (and me) is just not it for EM4
royal helm
Does Mirage Shot work on Beowulf?
pliant anvil
Does Mirage Shot work on Beowulf?
yes
royal helm
Mmk, I had it last run, I just couldn't see it ticking
And one more question. If you Stygian Soul and get more cast stones, do you refresh the whole stack every 3s or just one cast stone?
sand sparrow
The small rooms in the styx don't count for Pierced Butterfly?
opal lodge
no they dont
if you have stygian and extra cast stones
each one has a 3 s cd
you can see it in your ui as they regen
opal lodge
peer pressure is bad
sullen valley
You know- you know what's the worst part about dying to the final boss at like, 1 hit away?
It's all the tension that just implodes on you
That said Arthur and Athena are always a good pair
pliant anvil
eh, I feel arthur is too slow to make good use of it. Maybe with the special you can deflect more consistently, but the swipe already destroys projectiles.
sullen valley
It's less of a mobility or dodge build and more of a defense/damage reduction build. Your current Attack in your non-dash-attack combo carries over from dash to dash, anyways.
Also pairs well with Aphrodite, come to think of it...
Imagine taking like, 11 damage per hit from the boss
mellow quest
divine flourish on arthur is very good
it's not something you're going to use constantly by any means but it adds a lot of safety to that move and 360 degree deflect in that large an AoE is pretty solid
sullen valley
tbh, I'm not the biggest fan of the Sword's Special on any Aspect. I'd rather be constantly deflecting, and the backswing on Arthur is p large on the former 2 attacks..
cosmic hornet
for arthur i usually go heart rend with aphro on special
i wish aphro's dash aoe is a bit bigger
or you can apply charm by passing through enemies
just to make it more consistent
sullen valley
...When your bow charges faster after dashing, that's the Dash-Strike, right?
cosmic hornet
yes
sullen valley
Aighty
cosmic hornet
on topic of dash strike
does shooting a hestia while dashing counts as dash strike?
sullen valley
I think so, there isn't a delay between Hestia shot and normal shots, right?
sand sparrow
Is Aspect of Lucifer... kinda clunky or am I just bad at the game?
turbid needle
Lucifer's got an even higher skill ceiling than the rest of the Rail.
The long wind-up on the laser as well as ramp time before you start dealing significant damage means you don't want to spam your Special like you would with Eris.
If you do, you'd want to just use the laser for Status Curse spread and blowing up your bombs.
still vigil
Aren't most of the hidden aspects clunky?
turbid needle
They're all "heavy" versions of the other weapons.
But Guan Yu basically has Explosive Launcher built-in.
still vigil
🤔
sand sparrow
I finished a run with it and it felt not great
I feel like if I wanted to do the whole "apply x then pop with y" I could play Rama
cosmic hornet
i have no idea how lucifer is supposed to be played tbh
i cleared one run with the infinite ammo hammer + zeus
then i realized i could be playing eris instead
unkempt pagoda
you focus down special instead via triple bomb
i mainly use divine flourish, and use lightning strike only when i'm not busy blowing up/setting bombs
calm bluff
I just like stacking DR on arthur to see how little the enemies can damage me
river wing
yea DR and revenge boons. really fun
fading pecan
How are you supposed to play Zeus shield? It just feels kind of frustrating to me, I have the feeling I’m using it wrong
sullen valley
Is there something I missed about Greatest Reflex, or does Hermes not feel like giving that out as often as he used to?
Throw Zeus Shield out towards some enemies you wanna damage to start, but you mainly want it to chase you as you're dashing around.
still vigil
@opal lodge why is peer pressure bad?
fading pecan
oh I see - so just try to never let it come back to you
opal lodge
peer pressure stacks overwrite other stacks
generally you only want one source of hangover
so that you only have to pom one
still vigil
Ew
ripe glade
you ever just play a game.. just ad-hoc... and play what the game gives you... and then when you get to the 2nd realm.. you have no idea what keepsake to take.. lol
I've no idea what build to take.. playing a high heat... and just don't know which way to go..
got some great boons in first biome... but should I go with the flow.. or try to do a 180..
still vigil
Imagine you kill theseus on yer last dd but his Doom procs at the same time....
It didn't feel very good
maiden wolf
what happens when you take cluster bomb and rocket?
barren otter
awesomeness happens
maiden wolf
mellow quest
you unlock the special = win button
balmy scroll
Is Zeus, chaos, or Beowulf better for shield? I’ve been using chaos but have 4 blood right now and not sure which will help me with higher heats
opal lodge
all of them are good
zeus has been cleared on the highest heat for this patch
but i think all of them could do it
tranquil karma
"No, you can't just make a silly meme about the demigod Son of Hades with his Titan-killing sword, nooooo!"
"Haha Zaggy go B O I N G"
Legit though, I feel like the Daedalus Hammer needs to be a more frequent option, or should offer more options at a time than your traditional Boons, because sometimes you just get really, really, REALLY bad sets of the three worst upgrades for a weapon
bright fossil
I like beowulf most on shield but i heard Chaos is generally safer
sand sparrow
When something buffs my Dash-Strike, does it buff my dashing special too like the dash uppercut from the fists?
turbid needle
Yes.
sand sparrow
Oh nice
I got a 90% dash-strike boost with Chaos while I'm playing Gilgamesh
turbid needle
Yeah, getting that with Demeter is basically a very easy win.
sand sparrow
I lucked into a pretty good build I guess
Got the flying kick and another +60% on special chaos boon
dry quiver
Had a super strong poseidon aspect build with poseidon casts, but threw it all away gambling on anvil and getting cursed slash. No idea why i keep thinking anvil can’t hurt when i have two upgrades that i can take or leave.
barren otter
first time this happened to me naturally https://imgur.com/iQ0gNfQ
hell mode, starting boon was Huge Catch, it can't be pommed, so the pom gave Spare Wealth instead
the only other time I had that happen was when going for a boonless run on purpose.
I wonder if there's any lore reason why poms give money when nothing can be upgraded
tranquil karma
Wealth is power?
barren otter
good point
open bluff
What's a good cast oriented build? Im trying to get arty + hermes LLs for scroll.
rare kindle
do you have any cast oriented weapons unlocked?
open bluff
Weapons is the main reason Im asking. I dunno what the cast weapons are. Im only missing the final aspect for rail and I got 18 titans blood so I can max something.
dry ember
Poseidon Sword, Achilles Spear, Beowulf Shield, Hera Bow, Talos Fists (kinda), Eris Rail (kinda).
open bluff
do the load weapons really approach cast builds same way tho?
dry ember
I mean each of them will play differently. I am not sure what you mean by cast builds.
To me, that just mean most of your damage will come from casting.
open bluff
Im not sure what I mean either tbf
barren otter
crystal beam is pretty bad with hera bow
dry ember
I think a good starting weapon for cast-focused build is Poseidon and Hera
open bluff
I know Ill have stygian soul, some artemis boons, and Ill be aiming for her legend + hermes. Hopefully stygian with 3 charges...and whatever cast boon I stumble on.
Gotcha Ty. Really helped me out.
dry ember
Well I won't recommend Crystal Beam either.
And maybe not Slicing Shot also. But most casts will server you well
Good luck.
open bluff
atm I feel like psoeidon doesn't synergize great with stygian
barren otter
it's entirely possible to make poseidon work with stygian, cause you still get the passive cast damage bonus, but infernal is still better because of dislodging on demand.
open bluff
ah true
woven delta
And Exit Wounds being a thing
wanton hound
curious about resetting for different starts
will giving up give you a different reward next time you try, or do you have to die?
also, if i use a god's keepsake, can i get a different set of starting boons from that god each time, or will it always be the same
opal lodge
giving up keeps your seed and your seed determines your first reward and second room reward type
if you use a god keepsake it replaces the first reward but that replacement will be the same with the seed
wanton hound
i see, thanks
so you have to die to change the seed
and you can get a different set of starting rewards from the same god by resetting seed?
opal lodge
die or win
you cannot
it will give you the same set of rewards from that god
so it's basically like
no keepsake --> whatever start --> 3 boons
or
keepsake --> god --> 3 boons
those 3 boons will stay the same with seed and the rerolls will also stay the same
opal lodge
i actually have no clue about that one but i dont see why it wouldnt
i believe it does work for lambent plume and pierced butterfly
havent used either of those in a hot minute though
open bluff
do you need to get a boon to progress seed? Like if you choose a darkness instead of an ares. What happens to that ares boon?
opal lodge
you cant ever choose darkness instead of ares
meta progression rewards are offered separately from run-specific rewards
rare kayak
theres a seed changing mod somewhere on the internet if youre too lazy to die
main osprey
@open bluff there are a ton of things that call from the RNG seed, such as pillars falling, firing casts, and chaos gates
So if you ignore a boon, that exact set of boons won't be offered again, though that God can still show up
cunning urchin
Special > Dash-Strike x2 is the typical rotation.
Serrated Point would give you better DPS than Charged Skewer.
Breaching Skewer if you don't see either is nice, too.
And on the rare occasion you don't see any of those three, Massive Spin does good damage.
You can also just go for a spin build with Divine Strike from the start.
midnight scaffold
oh i'll try that next time, thanks
obtuse herald
if you had to choose https://prnt.sc/vmr3cp what would you pick? have doom special currently
finite socket
obtuse herald
yeah i was thinking about that
so i chose it
was tempted to go cursed
would you go with deadly strike or hunter dash
obtuse herald
is charged shot decent?
https://prnt.sc/vmsncr im doing an aphro/dio build with chaos shield
river wing
it's good
obtuse herald
because i have an ultrawide
hybrid galleon
it got phatified
hybrid galleon
having an ultrawide sounds terrible
hybrid galleon
it got phat energy
obtuse herald
man im playing shield but i feel like im using a ranged weapon
royal helm
thicc
And yeah... if you get Charged Shot... it kind of turns into a ranged weapon, it's nice
plucky harbor
half crater
i think yes
gleaming turtle
Q: does pulverizing blow (shield upgrade) keep the knockback from poseidon's attack boon?
half crater
yeah it should
gleaming turtle
nice, thanks
half crater
np
proven osprey
no
It's more like you don't use actions that have a boon on
and sell them asap
well it's not "official" anyway
but that's the spirit
barren robin
yo can someone give me some info on fated persuasion? There are times where I'll use up all my rolls, but then later on in the same run I'll get the option to do so again - and I never took any keys to refresh uses
So do rolls get refreshed throughout a run? How does this work exactly
primal hazel
Roll only get refreshed through key pickups
Subsequent rolls on the same thing have +1 cost
barren robin
So refreshes after beating a boss? What counts as a key pickup
half crater
it doesn’t refresh after beating bosses
slate obsidian
just unlocked the 4th aspect of fists, what are some good boons for it?
heard it's pretty weird compared to the other fisties
primal hazel
Gilgamesh aphro ,artemis,dio, athena.
PS with 2 debuffs. and debuffs must be applyed befor you use miam, Heart rend,clean kill,rusthless reflex,Sweet Surrender
ideal setup :Athena attack,Aphro special,artemis cast|!infernal soul!arty attack, aphro special, cast unimportant but anything that lodges in enemies is fine. Lodge 1 in bosses and use the other 2 for lightning rods, dash unimportant but literally anything is good - aphro dash is nice QoL, zeus call
Second build is from @hollow monolith
slate obsidian
aight that helps a lot, thanks
let's see how fast i die with these
for Hera bow, is dio cast still the strongest?
primal hazel
Idk if it's the strongest
It's still good tho
slate obsidian
alright thanks a lot for the info, haven't played in a few months so it's nice to be up to date
slate obsidian
ye, thought so, so i thought asking discord would be the safest bet
proven osprey
As if talking to a stone were safe
proven osprey
sure sure
dusky nimbus
dio is still pretty good, Poseidon is also not bad.... i still think dio is still the best
primal hazel
Aphro is nice
Though the hitbox tweaks still haven't hit switch yet
dusky nimbus
dio can pair with demeter or zues for pretty good combo, or u can try getting mirage shot on poseidon?
wait does hera make aphro's cast long range?
or is it just still short
primal hazel
It does
proven osprey
aphro's really good
dusky nimbus
oh then i might consider her on hera soon, i hvent played hera in a while
i tried sea storm duo on chiron tho
its not as good as it sounds bc the lightning has cooldown
primal hazel
dusky nimbus
so... u might only get 2-3 lighting strikes per volley which is still not bad but not what i expected
primal hazel
Welcome to club obvious
dusky nimbus
but if u have rupture and jolt effects, sea storm can apply privileged status immediately
well... worth trying it out
primal hazel
I mean since you know about the cooldown
Why haven't you tried zeus attack and poseidon flourish
dusky nimbus
huh... it was zues attack and poseidon flourish
primal hazel
You didn't specify that
dusky nimbus
now i did
primal hazel
Still trash obvs but at least memes
copper narwhal
Can someone recommend me any decent bow builds? I'm struggling to clear the game with it. I get to the Elysium boss fight but i die there xD
primal hazel
Any specific apsects?
copper narwhal
Any specific apsects?
Chiron if possible
