auto aim makes rockets usable imo
#h1-builds-and-combat
opal lodge
mellow quest
primal hazel
Imo rockets are even easier with auto aim
primal hazel
Don't even need to aim
Even less
west trail
With rockets do you mean the banner upgrade?
primal hazel
Just stand next to an enemy
cunning urchin
Ranged weapons are always gonna be easier if you're in no way pressed for time since you can just stay out of your enemies' attack range.
opal lodge
still cant believe someone beat the game in 5:56 lol
primal hazel
Hammer yeah
opal lodge
no you basically always have auto aim on rail I don't really see an alternative
mellow quest
i still don't find the standard lobbing for the rails to be clunky.
west trail
Then the rocket lands on the enemies and misses you unless you jump into them
mellow quest
the only thing that feels bad to me is festive fog lobbing
opal lodge
yes
primal hazel
Auto aim can be used for quick shots
ebon pewter
Oh God festive fog is the one thing I hate using controller for
west trail
On kbm people can shoot themselves at the start though. Get a buff immediately
west trail
For us we have to awkwardly move the target to us as the enemies get ready to attack
Hmm. Yeh it's OK then I guess. Just need to hope for rockets
primal hazel
Say yes to every special hammer but hazard
cunning urchin
I just shoot the special where I'm going not where I'm standing lol.
frank dew
Hazard is fun tho
opal lodge
the current wr holder didn't even go where he shot special most of the time in tartarus
mellow quest
i think triple bomb is the #1 hammer on Lucifer atm
opal lodge
someetimes you can just have special take care of half the room and go kill the other half
you can't get cluster on luci huh
frank dew
well i feel like alot of the lucifer hammers are kinda meh
cunning urchin
I dunno. I'm not really a rail player.
primal hazel
Hazard is fun tho
@frank dew not on eris
opal lodge
i need a controller soon
mellow quest
I still wait for the day triple jab and triple beam are allowed to hit the same target like triple shot on bow
opal lodge
HS feels so ass on KBM
primal hazel
Well but it's the number 1 hammer in lucifer
opal lodge
if triple beam could hit the same target lucifer could be nice
primal hazel
Still waiting for the buff to hit switch
mellow quest
you can't see hazard bomb on lucifer.
frank dew
no you used to
mellow quest
it used to but it was trash.
frank dew
you used to be abel to get both hazard and the pulse thing
that was pretty fun covered half the rooms
grim dune
Does zeus special work with chaos shield like I'd think it would or does it run in to the same icd problem people tell me makes chiron special not work that well with it?
primal hazel
From my experience it works
cunning urchin
It runs into the same problem on a single target.
grim dune
oof 😦
cunning urchin
The ICD applies to single targets, though.
cunning urchin
So if you hit multiple enemies, they all get hit by Lightning Bolts.
primal hazel
If you shotgun all shields hit at the same time
grim dune
what are the most effective ways to make use of chaos? Finally got around to maxing it out to make it useful.
zeus immediately came to mind but looks like that's a rip
cunning urchin
Thunder Flourish, actually.
cunning urchin
Thunder Flourish is still the go-to pick.
proven osprey
ME always works
@primal hazel how pretentious of you
cunning urchin
It's true, though.
proven osprey
grim dune
huh, I didn't get any title for that win, I thought I would have at least gotten something for having 4 chaos blessings
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proven osprey
is a win without a title a real win ?
grim dune
lightning chaos was pretty fun tho
silk hearth
when using chiron, is the consecutive hit +3 or the +4 arrows better?
frank dew
the consecutive hit if you have a% boon
silk hearth
oki thanks
jagged roost
man what am I missing with the spear
I feel like no matter which build i go for its always a bad run lmao
any good hades spear builds?
frank dew
depends alot on what hammers you get
grim dune
I'm not a fan of Hades spear, charge attack is so reliant on hammers
frank dew
other than that regular good combos of % boons etc
proven osprey
go for an Achilles cast build and you'll be fine
grim dune
Achilles is the funzone
proven osprey
no hammer needed
jagged roost
so achilles cast
frank dew
yeh indeed achilles is alot easier to build
proven osprey
just dash, nuke the world and repeat
grim dune
I do achilles with attack or special or cast or anything at all tbh
proven osprey
by dash I mean special
jagged roost
does it work with that one duo boon for posideon and aries?
grim dune
it's just a fun / stronk weapon
turbid needle
Don't see why it wouldn't
And in fact, could be great if you use the special well enough
frank dew
it does but you have to ofc be in melee range
turbid needle
Zeus cast is cool with Achilles spear
turbid needle
Those ought to be the main ones yeah
frank dew
and ofc blade rift
proven osprey
yup
jagged roost
which mirror casts is best for cast builds?
frank dew
i feel like they ran out of ideas with the demeter cast duo boons cause the aphrodite one and the artemis one are so similiar
turbid needle
You still want the +2 more often than not
frank dew
and nuke
turbid needle
As far as bonus damage vs damage reduction and mobility reduction goes, depends on you, even if I would prefer the second one
jagged roost
alrighty imma try it with zeus cast
and try to get a duo for it. also if I could try and get the artimes legendary but I guess if im really lucky with it
and for chaos either my casts or casts damage
frank dew
make sure to look for the faster return boon from hermes if you go for a cast that lodges the blood stone
proven osprey
yeah it's a nice bonus
turbid needle
Sounds like a decent plan to me
minor pumice
Curious about Thanatos' Pierced Butterfly, if you stacked up a bunch of damageless encounters, but then you get hit, do you lose all of the damage up to that point, or does it carry on and you can keep stacking if you win the next encounter with no damage?
frank dew
you keep stacking
turbid needle
^
turbid needle
But also lose the bonus when you switch out the keepsake
proven osprey
that would be such a terrible keepsake
frank dew
well tbf if you did loose it they could make it scale alot faster
turbid needle
If you lost hit when you took any damage at all, that would be ayikers lmao
frank dew
imagine like 10% more evry chamber
minor pumice
Ah okay, sweet. I guess the same applies with Hermes' keepsake. Obviously a different effect, but similar methods right?
frank dew
yeh
turbid needle
Yup
proven osprey
yup
jagged roost
wait what if I go for athena cast and try to get the duo for zeus ? explosions everywhere
minor pumice
Double sweet!
grim dune
yes, you simply don't gain a stack if you fail a room
frank dew
you lose the effect if you change it tho
turbid needle
@jagged roost Athena cast is cool, duo is nice but not necessary
jagged roost
got it
proven osprey
wait what if I go for athena cast and try to get the duo for zeus ? explosions everywhere
@jagged roost Athena is good but honestly the zeus duo is not
turbid needle
You just chunk a ton with it anyways
minor pumice
I figured I'd lose the effects if I changed keepsakes, just wondered how they'd work in one of the zones.
proven osprey
It just bounces, it really lacks something as a duo
compared to mirage shot, blizzard shot and such
proven osprey
yeah that would be fun to see
frank dew
its still decent theres far worse duo boons like the athena/demeter one for instance
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gray shore
Lambent plume with 35% is totally an interesting value
It’s gimmicky
But you can stack additively from there
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gray shore
Wha?
Are you asking for lambent to stack beyond 35
Or are you saying there aren’t enough chambers
Oh i see
You’re talking about single acts
Well yeah, you equip lambent plume for the entire run
So you can stack it to beyond 30%
gray shore
Last night
I was made to see the light of the Eternal Boulder
and joined as a High Priest
proven osprey
Another lost soul
proven osprey
The bouldy lobby is getting so strong lately
gray shore
The path of being a rolling stone is to take the motions of the chaos in this world in stride
Or more like, in step flow roll
And when people become too obstinate
just crush their skulls
gray shore
Or maybe I just really went rocky
proven osprey
Glimmer of stone
frank dew
doesnt sound like a good life
proven osprey
that is not the way of Bouldy
frank dew
do you go door to door to spread the knowledge of Bouldy?
gray shore
First it is of utmost import
to spread the good words of Hades
I've already caused two people to join us in Hades
I'm sure Lord Bouldy can convert them with his ascended ambiguity
frank dew
See a while back when i got jehovas knocking on the door i invited them in and tried to convert them into korean shamanism
frank dew
i have managed 5 converts so far
gray shore
and attempting to convert Jehovah's Witnesses to Korean Shamanism
that sounds wonderful
frank dew
they didnt really get it tho its so sad
gray shore
to be fair
I don't think I'm familiar with what Korean Shamanism entails but
I also think we're going waaaaaay off track for the channel
frank dew
true
gray shore
merciful end
very stronk
i dunno what else to build towards on fists
is that so bad?
proven osprey
Nyaanyaa told me to go for it with Guan Yu
frank dew
well i managed a build with athena dio aphro artemis and ares
proven osprey
and it's quite strong
gray shore
I just see fists and I saw dire misfortune and I saw ME
frank dew
ended up with 7 duo boons
hollow helm
how do you fully utilize Merciful End? The desciption kinda messes with me
gray shore
and I was like absolutely
I mean- it's as it says on the tin
Doom effects are triggered immediately
proven osprey
You apply doom, deflect and apply doom the fastest you can
gray shore
so the big downsides of Doom as damage is
trigger time
and doesn't stack at all without Dire Misfortune
proven osprey
the point of merciful end is reducing the trigger time to 0
grim dune
@hollow helm even though it annoyingly isn't a pre-requisite for the duo the best way to proc it is with the athena dash, imo
so you attack dash attack dash
doom doom doom doom big damage
proven osprey
y
gray shore
ME basically takes Doom
and gets rid of every single downside of Doom
with the right build
oh and Doom has big numbers and poms well
so you can figure out why that has DEEPS
Basically, most builds: put doom on fast attack, put deflect on your slow attack, get dire misfortune to help stack up doom and even more damage, get divine dash as your trigger
the build is also inherently defensible because divine dash is considered core
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gray shore
does it?
if you only have 2 dash, and you're using fists
i think dire misfortune is more than good
frank dew
not really if you have a fast attack it still will be a few stacks
gray shore
you attack like so many times
if you don't line up 1 doom for 1 dash
you're losing dps
silk storm
Wow, "Lightning Rod" is actually really strong
frank dew
it is when stuff stays in the area
turbid needle
Lightning Rod is kinda weird to evaluate
At high heat, it's usually whatever, unless you have a fat Jolted or something and spray the casts out
At low heat, if your damage isn't that high, it could legit just carry your run
silk storm
Yeah, it's carrying my current run.
Tried out the Aspect of Eris and only just made it through Hydra
frank dew
i kinda feel like it should do dmg while its stuck in enemies
silk storm
But now I'm at hades with full hp and DDs
I need to figure out how ot use Eris properly
frank dew
whats to figure out? you just make sure to stand in the blast and get a huge dmg buff?
silk storm
Still seeming to do -ve damage
Though I have just come off a 7 escape streak with Ch iron bow xD
So I guess everything will feel low dmg
frank dew
well that or you are just not using the right boons with the right things
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silk storm
I am defo doing Eris wrong then
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frank dew
run zeus attack and a % special
cunning urchin
so you attack dash attack dash
@grim dune no, you just Dash-Strike and it immediately triggers lol.
gray shore
any tips on a Beowulf opener?
mostly been rocking Chaos and Zeus but
looking to give Beowulf another go
turbid needle
Dio cast, Aphro cast are both good for this sort of thing from what I saw
frank dew
i quite like the flood shot into ares duo on it
grim dune
@grim dune no, you just Dash-Strike and it immediately triggers lol.
@cunning urchin right
jagged roost
ok so I know I said i was going for zeus cast but hear me out
grim dune
Sorry I wasn't clear
surreal pumice
last run I had the worst build
surreal pumice
all aphro, Lvl 8 Aphro attack
jagged roost
with mirage shot
turbid needle
Got the duo ? Very nice
jagged roost
my god the damage
surreal pumice
and I was shredding every single boss
surreal pumice
it was just sad because all I was doing was "poke poke poke poke poke" until they died
jagged roost
like if i got lucky with chaos and got more cast damage or another casts
easily could have done over 5k damage per cast thrown
turbid needle
That would have been a hell of a blender lol
jagged roost
literally the entire run I was seeing 2k in red lmao
yeah I even got a lot of poms for bigger rifts
and it covered the entire screen
6 large rifts covering the whole screen lol
proven osprey
just got the gold buff from Bouldy into Sisyphus generosity
I don't really care about the duos but still
frank dew
yeah its funny when that happens
torn hemlock
Hey guys im at a god trial right now and its athena or artemis, anyone got any recommendations?
proven osprey
Athena is annoying but Artemis want you dead so
torn hemlock
yeah thats why I need help here
cunning urchin
Parting Shot is nice.
minor pumice
Alright, so, ambiguity bonus.... explain please?
unkempt pagoda
does nothing
minor pumice
Does nothing at %2?
gray shore
You've gained some of Bouldy's ambiguity
half crater
it’s 2% ambiguous
minor pumice
Yup.
minor pumice
Okay, so it does nothing then?
half crater
🤷♂️
ebon pewter
It may or may not do something
minor pumice
Darn it Bouldy....
gray shore
||it does nothing 
||
I'm 100% certain. But I'm also 2% ambiguous. So can I still be 100% certain?
ebon pewter
I'm pretty confident it does something but it is impossible to know what
still ridge
Got that bonus for the first time last night, so good to know it may or may not to anything. Dash it all Bouldy!
whole axle
Can chain lightning hit the same enemy more than once?
cosmic hornet
so how do hades spear's modifier interact with boon multiplier?
it doesn't seem like the +150% got multiplied by boons?
rare kayak
its additive like most damage bonuses in the game
so if you have lets say +60% attack from aphrodite on a base damage of 10
it becomes 10 +210%
or 31 damage
rare kayak
theres not much damage bonuses in the game that multiply
artemis and maybe maim are the only two i can think of
midnight scaffold
how do you play with the spear
rare kayak
depends on which spear
ebon pewter
Poke
midnight scaffold
well my most liked weapon is chiron bow, is there any spear with that playstyle?
ebon pewter
Sometimes throw
rare kayak
not really no
general spear advice is to use dash attack a lot
spear's dash attack is very good
ebon pewter
If you get the explosive throw hammer it kinda plays like a bow
cosmic hornet
closest thing is probably throw hammer or ||guan yu|| special
rare kayak
its got big range and big area coverage
cosmic hornet
...but i tried and it... doesn't feel that good
midnight scaffold
hmm okay good to know
ebon pewter
Personally I like aspect of achilles a lot
midnight scaffold
what do you build on that
ebon pewter
You can sorta build whatever
The damage bonus applies to anything
It's just nice cause you can dart around the map real easy
cosmic hornet
for spear i mainly use achilles cast builds
unkempt scroll
Welp... My first time with 32 heat and about to enter the final boss
rare kayak
yeah achilles can be really funny if you time it right because you get to teleport across the arena while the bull charges at you
cosmic hornet
hunting blades are my favorite once everything is in place, or trippy shot if i'm not feeling lucky
rare kayak
i somehow ended up on a run earlier with 370 hp on beowulf shield
midnight scaffold
thanks
rare kayak
also had trippy shot and back to back scintillating and ice wine in asphodel
i dont even know how i got to 370 hp, i only took one rare chaos boon for 55 hp
i just kept taking hearts because i guess i was scared of beowulf's take more damage debuff?
midnight scaffold
my first clear i had 600 hp with chaos shield
midnight scaffold
i got a health increasing boon early
i think from aphrodite..?
then picked up every heart and got to 600
really fun
rare kayak
oh
yeah life affirmation be like that sometimes
but my run didnt even have life affirmation which was extremely odd
also im not sure if something clicked for me or what
but ive been playing loads better after taking a 3 day hiatus
apparently fo2 is free
midnight scaffold
fo2?
midnight scaffold
oh does it not give ||heat|| ?
rare kayak
its free in the sense that i somehow adjusted to it despite not playing hades in the last four days
midnight scaffold
that makes a lot more sense
rare kayak
i guess its that thing like being raised speaking a language
it feels natural because its the only thing in my memory
final warren
so I am curious, how does everyone with a controller typically accomplish dash attacks?
As in, button pressing
cosmic hornet
i remap my controls
square for attack, r1 for special, r2 for dash
l1 for cast, l2 for reload
its similar to control scheme i use for fighting games and gundam games so i'm used to it
carmine island
I press bottom button then usually roll the tip of my thumb onto the left button. I think the window is wide.
cunning urchin
The damage bonus applies to anything
Achilles Aspect buffs only Attack and Cast.
proven parcel
the window is pretty wide for dash attacks
final warren
I am a very mash-button player, so I typically simultaneously press both dash and attack at the same time, seems to accomplish my intentions but since combat is so fast, I never really know if I am being the most efficient or effective at it
carmine snow
Anyone know a good Nemesis build?
final warren
as opposed to being more discrete with it (aka, press dash, THEN press attack)
carmine island
I do a small adjustment for dash special since I have default set up and special is top button. I'm using steam controller so the buttons aren't too far apart.
cunning urchin
It's not really a complex input.
final warren
yeah Joshkaz thats exactly how I do it presently, but I am never sure it is just because its easier to mash, and therefore maybe I am losing some iframes or losing on some mobility as I do it
cunning urchin
Dash-Strikes don't have i-frames anyway.
final warren
even during the dash part?
cunning urchin
You can cancel your dash very late to get some i-frames early on.
But generally you just want to cancel into Dash-Strike asap for DPS.
proven parcel
just dash behind them really
cunning urchin
I do late-cancel sometimes, though.
dry ember
But generally you just want to cancel into Dash-Strike asap for DPS.
I don't get this part. Unless you are dash strike spamming with say Nemesis, with most other weapons, input Strike early in a Dash only cancel your i frames, no?
and your DPS is limited by the dash cd, so canceling dash into dash strike does nothing for most weapon?
except edge case like Arthur
cunning urchin
E.g., sometimes I empty-dash through an enemy and late-cancel into Dash-Upper for Maim with Gilgamesh.
@dry ember your Dash-Strike comes out faster if you cancel immediately.
dry ember
yes, but how many you can do per second is dictated by your dash cd, not how fast your Dash Strike comes out? at least that's the way I thought it works.
cunning urchin
I don't know if the CD starts when you input dash or when you've recovered, but either way, you're not just waiting during CD.
You're either attacking or using your Special.
final warren
OK because I am dumb, what is CD?
dry ember
Compact Disc
gray shore
Cooldown lel
dry ember
(Cooldown)
unkempt pagoda
Ceath Defiance
gray shore
I've already got Passion Flare, getting shown Deadly strike (E), Deadly Flourish (E) and Arty's Aid (R). Any advice for Beowulf?
i'm assuming arty aid
final warren
ok thanks. Compact Defiance it is
dry ember
Compact Defiance: New Chaos Boon
At lethal damage, 50% chance to revive Zag at 1HP
unkempt pagoda
rng
unkempt pagoda
might as well be 100% tbh
dry ember
that would make it too op
surreal pumice
Dem's legend is nice
"chill affected foes with 10% hp left cause an explosion and chill is spread upon their death"
gray shore
it's very strong for sure
surreal pumice
she one-shot Hades for me
unkempt pagoda
revive at 1hp 100% of the time
and then immediately die again cause you get caught in an urn or whatever
final warren
I prefer to think of the completely new defiance method to actually make you smaller upon defiance
you get MORE compact defiances
but each one shrinks you
which effects your mobility, but also your hitbox
dry ember
imagine being stuck in Styx gap
final warren
last one makes you like the tiny vermin
open heron
can you reroll into a duo?
unkempt pagoda
yes
open heron
shoot minotaur first
silver sky
I tried
open heron
dash into minotaur
silver sky
only 2 of those 5 times have I been able to kill one or the other
both are left living the other 3
open heron
his spear throw is telegraphed so u can tell when to dodge it
if ur having trouble with that then like, position urself behind pillars so ur not as likely to die
silver sky
Except for when you think you're behind a barrier and somehow his spear still hits you
Also, I always pick dionysus' festive fog ability for my cast and often use his boon for the first chamber to make sure I get it. should I use something else?
dry ember
if you are having problems with bosses
open heron
thats why you listen for the sound and dash
dry ember
consider equipping Acorn
open heron
that also helps
silver sky
I don't think I have that one yet
dry ember
look for a lady named Eurydice.
silver sky
is that artemis? artemis is the only one so far I don't have
oh I must have hers then
open heron
shes not a god
silver sky
I remember thinking it wasn't very good
dry ember
many people use it for Elysium onward
dry ember
the bot has a lot of false flag
silver sky
I forget what I just said goddamn it
dry ember
you can't use the word male chicken + ky, for example
terse coral
what does the final boss' Boiling Blood do?
silver sky
anyway I was saying the death defience from the purple raindrop thing I forget the name of is used before I get to minotaur
open heron
also, #1 recommendation, use athena pendant and hunt for divine dash
terse coral
ah, thank you
open heron
if nothing else u can just spam dash and usually avoid spear
until u get used to the fight more and get better mirror upgrades n stuff
old root
Hey guys, just started to get into the speedrun side of things. Looking on any tips/strats to do the bosses faster
proven osprey
Eris, dash strike like there's no tomorrow
dry ember
it depends also on what you mean by speedrun, if you want world record pace, there is a meta build with Eris Lightning Strike Tidal Dash Seastorm
but just to play faster in general, find/ask for optimized builds for weapons (which obviously is weapon specific and too long to type out).
cunning urchin
No boss strategies, but this might still be helpful. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU
ocean mango
Do the all the "smaller" encounters on the last floor count as encounters when it comes to boons/keepsakes etc?
ocean mango
Lol. Only in the worst ways then 😄
Heard someone say mom's keepsake can give a lot of upgrades on that floor. That's incorrect?
proven osprey
it's correct
ocean mango
Ah ok. So bottom line: It's inconsistent 😛
proven osprey
yes it is. But understandable for a balance purpose
Hermes and Than would get out of hand
dry ember
at the cost of not having Acorn for Hades fight, I think Herms/Than would be just fine if each small chamber counts.
half crater
yeah now we know dodge is additive that’d be a bit silly
dry ember
it's capped though
half crater
is it tho
half crater
someone did a test where they hit 100% and then just stood in a swarm of butterflies without taking damage
okay found the clip it was crepes:
gray shore
I'm just gonna keep this link on my sticky notes
until it becomes common knowledge xD
half crater
good idea lol
proven osprey
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proven osprey
that's how dodge works ! Zag is not ducking, he's using Zanzoken from Dragonball Z !
half crater
there’s something cute about how it just says “dodged” but zag is clearly just standing there, not dodging at all
cunning urchin
He's not just standing there.
half crater
watches again
you are correct i am blind
there is in fact a dodging animation i had somehow never noticed, despite watching this clip multiple times
half crater
yeah
half crater
aspect of one punch for malphon when
dry ember
but just not getting hit
void fjord
aspect of one punch for malphon when
@half crater Its called L40 aphro special
potent kayak
void fjord
I hate that none of my favourited gifs on my laptop r saved on my phone
But thats practically dodge 100%
surreal pumice
What should I build on Enkidu?
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surreal pumice
Why not Athena dash?
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proven osprey
@potent kayak where does it come from ?
potent kayak
@proven osprey if you are asking about the gif im not sure haha when i typed in 'shield' earlier on gifs it came up
proven osprey
blissful grail
What's a good build with Chiron?
woven delta
Throw in Splitting Headache too if you get some Artemis boons
proven osprey
Apply it everywhere, watch the world getting drunk 
cunning urchin
Honestly, just take whichever of Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike you see first lol.
But start with Drunken Flourish.
If you want to build for that.
Deadly Flourish is also pretty good, but you'll want Heartbreak Strike for that for sure and get Heart Rend.
proven osprey
You could also take the Demeter way
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish is also strong, especially if you get Unhealthy Fixation.
Nah, Frost Flourish sucks.
proven osprey
but
cunning urchin
No.
cunning urchin
If you want Heart Rend, I'd start with the Eternal Rose, personally, so that you can go for either Heartbreak Strike or Heartbreak Flourish depending on what you get/rarity, and take it from there.
proven osprey
That "No." was rather violent
proven osprey
that was funny
potent kayak
proven osprey
same
half crater
it’s... uh, not that good
proven osprey
I got everything from demeter too
Artic blast, legendary
You can complete a run with it at least
half crater
she wouldn’t give me arctic blast so i had to do a while bunch of runs to get the full effect lol
yeah it’s fine for lower heats for sure
kinda fun even
proven osprey
Somebody on the discord was really excited about that build tho
cunning urchin
Frost Flourish and Divine Flourish mods are basically Tempest Strike lol.
But my main issue with Frost Strike/Flourish is . . .
You get the same % mod as Divine.
So why not take that and have Deflect?
half crater
or aphro
proven osprey
I have no serious answer to bring
half crater
better damage, better debuff
half crater
see my above comment about aphro lol
cunning urchin
We are?
half crater
oh right sorry
proven osprey
poor Grandma
proven osprey
Not you Nyaanyaa
proven osprey
You're strict about that old person
cunning urchin
Nourished Soul is really really good for new players.
half crater
that’s admittedly true
gray shore
I used to think that Nourished Soul was a good way to make LC palatable
cunning urchin
Ravenous Will is great.
half crater
oh yeah ravenous
gray shore
now I realise it's a waste of space xD
half crater
when i was just starting mistral dash was like, my favourite boon in the game
cunning urchin
Nourished Soul is a bug that bricks AP2 high heat runs.
half crater
i can not fathom why, but it was
half crater
it’s the same as athena
and pos iirc?
idk been a while since i took a pos core boon that wasn’t splash dash lol
cunning urchin
No, Poseidon has low Attack and high Special damage.
half crater
huh
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish is comparable to Deadly Flourish in damage.
Obviously Deadly Flourish will go higher with t2 crit boons.
half crater
wait what
gray shore
Nourished Soul is a bug that bricks AP2 high heat runs.
@cunning urchin I didn't even think about that. That's a feelsawful
half crater
huh
cunning urchin
And probably has better DPS for the simple fact that you'll kill most enemies in about the same number of hits and some enemies in fewer hits than Tempest Flourish due to crit variance.
Hard to say.
half crater
maybe i shouldn’t have written off half of poseidon’s boons lol
cunning urchin
No.
half crater
i want it to reenable healing
cunning urchin
That's what you sign up for by disabling healing. Gotta deal with it.
proven osprey
that would be so OP
half crater
yeah Nyaanyaa’s prolly right tbh
cunning urchin
I only really want to be able to sell it. That's all I want lol.
gray shore
That's fair
half crater
that would be so OP
@proven osprey ngl, now i think about this is it would be broken af
i rescind my earlier statement
cunning urchin
Getting Nourished Soul as your third boon before the boss in Tartarus can single-handedly end your run. That's why no one spends money on a boon from her with AP2 at high heat.
proven osprey
let me google what ngl means
cunning urchin
Imagine you spend 270 money at the shop.
gray shore
not gonna lie
cunning urchin
The boon does absolutely nothing, you can't sell it, either.
proven osprey
Thank you, maths person
cunning urchin
And instead you have to sell your Divine Dash or Attack or whatever you had.
gray shore
10101010111 11101
half crater
i use these text abbreviations too much lol
gray shore
congrats, you are an internet person
half crater
accidentally wrote a whole sentence with no real words in it the other day
people were confused
proven osprey
do it
gray shore
i mean, i grew up when text speak was becoming popular
and over time, by the time i looked at student's phones
they weren't words
just an amalgamation of emojis, slang and acronyms
potent kayak
its all greek to me
proven osprey
its all greek to me
@potent kayak good one
potent kayak
bare in mind im half greek so i cant really use that saying
half crater
all language is just an amalgamation of emojis, slang and acronyms tbh
potent kayak
exactly
gray shore
ngl tbh btw
@proven osprey impressive
proven osprey
thank you very much
half crater
fr tho iirc irl words srsly yeeted
half crater
makes perfect idk what you’re talking about
gray shore
words is a legitimate word
potent kayak
ILLEGAL move
half crater
omg tru
cunning urchin
bare in mind im half greek so i cant really use that saying
You can because all greek is more greek than half greek.
potent kayak
@cunning urchin damn u got me there
half crater
the alpha move is to do it with the language you’re currently speaking
“what did he say?”
“idk it was english to me”
proven osprey
wat
potent kayak
thank you
cunning urchin
This is starting to get very off-topic.
proven osprey
@proven osprey yes, yesssss
@half crater I'm learning !
This is staring to get very off-topic.
@cunning urchin Well yes. Let's reset. Stubborn roots.
potent kayak
okay sorry back to hades build and combat what would you say is your fav build?
and why
GO!
half crater
This is starting to get very off-topic.
@cunning urchin ... starting?
cunning urchin
That's what I wrote.
cunning urchin
The one that was nerfed to hell and back is my favorite build. 
half crater
i kinda like stubborn roots
primal hazel
Oh
potent kayak
@cunning urchin what is it?
gray shore
i found it hard to manipulate many good moments of healing with stubborn roots
primal hazel
Poseidon nemesis
gray shore
but it did happen
primal hazel
half crater
okay sorry back to hades build and combat what would you say is your fav build?
@potent kayak gilgamesh, heroic greatest reflex, tidal dash
proven osprey
The one that was nerfed to hell and back is my favorite build.
@cunning urchin that would be good yt video title
potent kayak
sounds good @half crater
primal hazel
Click bait
half crater
my favourite builds are rarely particularly good ideas lol
cunning urchin
Just search for "Mewmew Special" in the server and it'll show up lol.
half crater
i think she went higher than 41 with it
cunning urchin
I didn't.
cunning urchin
lol
potent kayak
Divine Strike + Hunter Dash, then focus on getting Support Fire from Lady Artemis and Deadly Reversal from either of them (that's their Duo Boon). That's the build people have started calling "Mewmew Special
i quote
potent kayak
im gonna try to make the worst build possible and call it the bouldy special
half crater
oh i assumed that’s what you did Talos 45 with
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash no longer works as a requirement for Deadly Reversal.
proven osprey
im gonna try to make the worst build possible and call it the bouldy special
@potent kayak you got to make it to 40 heat with it tho
proven osprey
well
potent kayak
@proven osprey damn you're right!
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash was nerfed hard, Support Fire was nerfed hard, Hunter Dash also no longer works as a requirement for Deadly Reversal, Deflect damage to bosses was nerfed.
half crater
first thing that springs to mind is collecting duo boons but selling the stuff that makes them work
cunning urchin
I take full credit for all those nerfs. 👀
half crater
ME with no doom lmao
gleaming bramble
Hello everyone. What would you advise as a special to go with Eris with zeus primary ?
potent kayak
@half crater now we are talking
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cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish for Eris, ideally.
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grim dune
genuinely don't understand why try and get stuff nerfed to lower fun in a single player game
opal lodge
i remember that post by that guy who did an ME build and then had to sell his doom LOL
very tragic
proven osprey
ME with no doom lmao
@half crater oh that's a good idea !
opal lodge
Deadly flourish and heartbreak are both ideal with eris but getting frost flourish is also not the worst thing in the world
cunning urchin
I wasn't trying to get it nerfed. I just showed how strong it was by setting the high-heat WR with it lol.
half crater
eh, cold fusion is overrated imo
cunning urchin
I definitely didn't want it nerfed.
half crater
for eris at least
gleaming bramble
I actually got my first clear ytesterday with the regen duo from demeter
opal lodge
yeah you dont really want cold fusion
it's more about the decent base damage
for cluster rockets
half crater
if you don’t see arty/aphro sure
opal lodge
yeah it's mostly if i'm trying to fill out 4 gods early in tartarus
like i won't turn down a demeter special is what i'm saying
half crater
fair
opal lodge
obviously i mean if that r a r e c r 0 p gets offered that's a different story
grim dune
I wasn't really calling you out, more... the kinda development attitude I guess. See it in a lot of games where instead of making other stuff better something strong gets nerfed into the ground. There's always gonna be a strongest most optimal thing anyway so idk I just feel it's better to bring things up or make smaller numeric changes than basically delete something.
oof love rare crop
I always go to nana for that candy
half crater
honestly SGG has been pretty good at balancing stuff imo
mellow quest
enjoy your heroic divine dash
surreal pumice
I'm going to clear with Zagsword again. Any recommendations?
opal lodge
LOL
primal hazel
Don't
@proven osprey this
gray shore
or poseidon, very fun aspect
frank dew
yeh i agree with previous suggestions
surreal pumice
I've cleared with Poseidon 6 times. I'm good.
primal hazel
Anything but zag basically
surreal pumice
sad
opal lodge
i honestly dont think i've cleared the game with zag sword
mellow quest
even level 1 nemesis is better than maxed zag.
opal lodge
now that i think about it
primal hazel
Same lol
proven osprey
the thing is between Zag and Nemesis, the gameplay is the same
surreal pumice
I only have maxed Zag due to skelly
proven osprey
but Nem grants crit
primal hazel
I don't think I cleared with any vanilla but rail
half crater
if you really wanna play zag, just play it like an awful nem
that’s what it is
same build, basically
proven osprey
Also you can go merciful end
half crater
that too
half crater
luck!
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half crater
the worst one, ofc
proven osprey
Guan Yu
half crater
^^^^
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opal lodge
that wasn't what i meant LOL
grim dune
lucifer is probably worst aspect
opal lodge
just do a super soaker run
half crater
i was legit gonna say lucifer lol
proven osprey
Not saying it's the worse but the low hp will be spicy
opal lodge
😦 i like lucifer
half crater
GY isn’t the worst
potent kayak
Time to get some spice 🔥
grim dune
the beam works like... the exact opposite of how I'd expect a beam weapon to work
proven osprey
Ikr
grim dune
and it makes me intensely sad
half crater
Retrash got 45 with lucy apparently
opal lodge
KBM Jesus
Lucifer
@gray shore i see what you did there
gray shore
;)
opal lodge
but yeah retrash seems to be it and he's moved on to poseidon sword
grim dune
first lucifer run I tried I got athena attack and assumed no projectiles would ever hit me again, and oh how wrong I was
proven osprey
How can you trash it
half crater
GY can be painful, but it’s far from the worst aspect
primal hazel
^
mellow quest
If you think people trash guan yu now, you should have seen the trash talk about it when it first came out
grim dune
I so wanted to love lucifer, who wouldn't want a laser gun used by satan? But oof my disappointment.
primal hazel
Fortunately zag aspect exists
frank dew
well evry weapon have strong points and weakpoints
potent kayak
so lucifer it is?
primal hazel
For sword
gray shore
I'm personally a fan of GY. But I'm not on 40+ heat shrug
grim dune
GY is great, such chonky damage
primal hazel
Same
grim dune
and yeah I don't play on crazy heat
frank dew
well athena is definate not the lazer you want
proven osprey
I'm personally a fan of GY. But I'm not on 40+ heat shrug
@gray shore I'm trying to beat that atm
I'm suffering
primal hazel
Maybe I'll change my opinion as soon as I hit 40
gray shore
i'm setting my sights on 32 for now
half crater
i’ve done 40 twice
primal hazel
Only two years to go
proven osprey
32 is ez
grim dune
I also think this is one of the mm... it's one of the difficulties for balancing I guess
gray shore
well, one step at a time :P
proven osprey
i’ve done 40 twice
@half crater GY ?
proven osprey
grim dune
You have high heat people saying "this is op, this is trash, etc." who are the most skilled players but their experience playing on high heat is vastly different to what the vast majority of players are playing. So who do you balance the game for, y'know?
gray shore
I'm still trying to work on component parts like getting used to LC4, FO2 and EM4
half crater
You have high heat people saying "this is op, this is trash, etc." who are the most skilled players but their experience playing on high heat is vastly different to what the vast majority of players are playing. So who do you balance the game for, y'know?
@grim dune this
gray shore
@grim dune it doesn't actually matter that much, as long as they're competitive
it's actually a good thing
for the health of the game
that aspects vary in strength and balance
depending on heat level and pact choices
that's really really cool about this game
as opposed to slay the spire, where the build decisions kinda get static
potent kayak
@gray shore well said
gray shore
e.g. Silent's overwhelmingly best build is poison at ascension 20 (max)
half crater
90% of my balance quibbles are like “the couple of dozen of us playing at 40+ have to deal with some jank” but like, that’s less than 1% of the player base
opal lodge
@half crater were those two with beowulf
half crater
one was beo
opal lodge
i need guidance
half crater
the other eris lol
gray shore
the game just gets too hard to diversify after a while
opal lodge
lol
half crater
eris 40 isn’t real 40
gray shore
and difficulty levels consistently just take away options rather than change the viable ones
half crater
Nyaanyaa suggested i switch and i haven’t looked back
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opal lodge
the absolutely cursed end screen with pressure points + support fire and no legendary
😦
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half crater
yeah i don’t build for fully loaded honestly
i’ve half heartedly picked up the prereqs before if they’ve come up (and there’s nothing better) but there’s not really room to force arty and support fire is pretty bad on beo
grim dune
Yeah slay the spire balance is a different thing entirely, I do tend to disagree that it's static, and I also don't really think that the StS devs balance around the highest level players or perfect decision making, but rather to have cards become more pickable on average
half crater
i think i actually had support fire and pressure point when i won at 40 tho lol
they just fell into my lap
didn’t get the legendary tho
gray shore
(with Ironclad)
@still estuary ironclad has some more leniency
but exhaust in general adds more options
and the fact you can get so much max hp gives you a lot of leniency as well
Yeah slay the spire balance is a different thing entirely, I do tend to disagree that it's static, and I also don't really think that the StS devs balance around the highest level players or perfect decision making, but rather to have cards become more pickable on average
@grim dune I think they've managed to add a lot of dynamism. But I think it's pretty obvious that there are 5x more viable builds at low asc level than 20
cunning urchin
This . . . does not look like Hades talk lol.
proven osprey
gray shore
That's a fair assessment
half crater
for some reason #h1-builds-and-combat in particular goes widely off topic extremely regularly
idk why
gray shore
we were talking about their comparative game design and principles
gray shore
but I'm fine with ending it there
proven osprey
for some reason #h1-builds-and-combat in particular goes widely off topic extremely regularly
@half crater Yeah, why ?
grim dune
it's for the aspects of the new Deck of Cards infernal armament
primal hazel
Chu chu it's the derail train
half crater
i’m sure it’s not me
proven osprey
Same here
primal hazel
Traveling to #off-topic-discussion town
primal hazel
Ok I believe you
primal hazel
I will continue to lurk someone else
gray shore
Which aspect do people prefer Rama or Hera
gray shore
primal hazel
Cerb walk simulator
grim dune
if you don't like playing fetch you could try stygian soul and get extra stones from arty/chaos. That's been my strat a bunch of times and it's worked out pretty well. Also meant that I didn't have to put blood in to Hera so I could spend it elsewhere
teal juniper
Cerberus >>>>>> literally everything else in the game
grim dune
Cerberus is the bestest boi
primal hazel
Stygian is higher risk, but also higher potential reward
Infernal is reliable burst damage
If you pick up the hermes legendary stones retudn to you
finite siren
is it me or is the bow with like the machigun daedelus hammer upgrade and artemis boon just completely busted
opal lodge
flurry shot?
finite siren
i cleared a temple of styx room in like 2 seconds flat
opal lodge
nah that's decently popular
grim dune
tfw picking up hermes legendary after getting zeus/arty duo
opal lodge
twin shot and triple shot are probably both better though
finite siren
what does twin shot do
does it shoot two arrows back to back or two arrows in a spread
grim dune
2 arrows parallel
finite siren
parallel ?? that's broken
finite siren
idk why i exclusively play bow and sword
i've tried all the weapons and i can't vibe with the other 4
finite siren
idk the gloves make you super exposed, the spear is laggy as all heck, the shield is awkward to use and deals poor damage, and the gun is weird
gun is slightly better than the others in my eyes but not by much
opal lodge
you would like shield hidden aspect i think
finite siren
the zeus one ?
finite siren
oh that one is very hidden
finite siren
i'm not a big damage guy but throwing a shield and seeing it do 15 damage is just disappointing
primal hazel
Removes the lag between attacks