you cant get a duo from the gods participating in the trial yes
#h1-builds-and-combat
still vigil
static prairie
i had the most fun build one run
still vigil
eg the trial is aphro/deme- cant get a dme/aphro duo boon
still vigil
bt ya can get a aphro/arty boon
static prairie
it was the -60% hp but heal 2 per hit one with the hammer that makes the sword do attacks fast
like the auto swing one
still vigil
@still vigil It's impossible !
@proven osprey oh rlly
static prairie
i love it
proven osprey
Hm
static prairie
i was outhealing a couple bosses
flat out face tanking for a bit before dodging to heal up again
proven osprey
the bot is really sensitive
static prairie
i thought the poop one was ok as a safe for work word
proven osprey
nope 
open heron
Poo poo
rocky sage
why do people not take the regen cast by default. its so good
static prairie
regen cast is awesome
still vigil
because there's only one
static prairie
got 3 sec regen
get the boon that gives u a second
and ur sticking the red plug in everyone
open heron
Which cast is the regen cast?
still vigil
also some boons suffer from stygian soul
open heron
Artemis is a crit tho
static prairie
quick question
rocky sage
is gy still the best spear?
static prairie
u know the first green one u can do?
the dmg against full health enemies?
does it consider an enemy at full hp if it has armour and ur dmging the armour?
finite siren
i have no clue what's good in this game but i feel like the doom status is somewhat good on certain attacks
static prairie
actually do any bosses have armour?
proven osprey
no
static prairie
shame
still vigil
they have super armour tho
still vigil
which is why ya cant stun any of them outside of a very specific boon
everyone can agree with what im about to say
ares call aint it
proven osprey
it's
still vigil
it's not that either XD
proven osprey
non existent
still vigil
^
if i wanted damage and invuln, id take poseidon
if i wanted invul only, id just use athena
damage? aphro
frank dew
i quite like to use dios and just keep using it at low charge to keep the stacks up
frank dew
well i just feel like honestly alot of the other ones are only useful against bosses really
long mountain
I have a question. does getting a buff like Urge to kill nullify the bonus from shattered shackle?
proven osprey
nope
long mountain
grat
amber kindle
Need help deciding in this moment. Dem legendary Harvest, or Frozen touch? I have Arctic blast that gives explosion at 10x chill with Bow
still vigil
poseidon, athena, demeter, and zeus are pretty all purpose imo @frank dew
long mountain
wanna try shattered shackle with Aspect of Arthur for sheer raw damage
frank dew
i do like demeter and zeus aswell
proven osprey
but yeah you won't beat aphro or artemis
static prairie
Aphrodite is awesome
still vigil
aphro has sweet surrender and charm
static prairie
first god imma romance with ambrose
still vigil
imo it's okay until ya get brilliant reposte
and blinding flash is nice addition too
long mountain
whats the best build for guan yu?
still vigil
both of those enhance integral parts of combat(esp. melee)
backstabbing and dashing
joke answer: you click the bow and choose rama or chiron
still vigil
from hearsay: i heard juicing up the special is the way to go @long mountain
long mountain
makes sense
still vigil
maybe somethin might change once i get the pc updates
cause they said the attack got buffed
snow vapor
second clear is done
still vigil
but it still looks like caca
long mountain
congrats!
still vigil
congrats!
long mountain
i also love aspect of chaos
still vigil
🚪 🚶🏿♂️
long mountain
lol
still vigil
chaos...is to me what many ppl feel about gilgamesh
long mountain
is it as good as arthur lol
still vigil
if beowulf can stand high heat, i suppose yes
long mountain
my highest heat is 5
still vigil
if there was a large update, id honestly would love to see more hammers for the hidden aspects outside of lucifer
youll be fine long as ya inch yer way up
elfin pawn
long mountain
yeah i play with god mode so i guess high heat isnt AS daunting
snow vapor
Thanks
still vigil
that's fine!
snow vapor
Still waiting on the Eurydice/Orpheus scroll tho lol so I guess I'll just keep running
still vigil
i played with god mode on until 12 ish?
then i took it off to see if i could get 16 heat without the dmg red
long mountain
I have a learning disability that affects co-ordination so the game is not fun without the res for me
rocky sage
it really depends on the weapon and aspect
proven osprey
Aphro number one
still vigil
^o^
open heron
i still dont know what to go for if i need a cast status
still vigil
cast status?
open heron
like a status curse for privileged status
open heron
i have athena attack, ares special on guan yu
i decided to take athena keepsake and try to get her status curse
but idk
still vigil
so here's the thing about GY atk: it's suuuper slow
also doesnt flow well at all into its special
so getting privileged status using special and atk on GY is gonna be a rought time fer ya
😅
still vigil
personally if i were using GY, id put the curses on my special and dash
open heron
well i have divine dash too so that works idk
still vigil
also in my opinion(anyone else interject), but i dun think doom is gonna be one curses that bodes the best with PS
cause it goes on and off relatively quickly
open heron
yea. wouldnt have been my preffered choice but i was forced into ares
would much rather have aphro or something
still vigil
hangover, exposed, chill, weak, jolted(only if you get cold fusion) are better if you get the choice
open heron
i got forced into ares and zeus right away so i was like
do i really want zeus special?
seemed bad idk
still vigil
if i get doom or jolted, id prefer to do the heaviest hit possible before either goes off
cause those dun stay on fer very long unless ya get certain boons or yer hitting rapidly
that's all i have to say on that
rocky iris
Does anyone know how to use hera bow with aphrodite cast? The casts are going straight through and not lodging. How do I make them lodge so I can benefit from exit wounds?
still vigil
aim the shot in front of the enemy
just enough to not pass em
aphro is finicky on hera
rocky iris
Problem with that is I got the autofire hammer...
still vigil
oof
mellow quest
are you on switch?
willow fossil
Oof indeed
rocky iris
Yeap
...anyway the runs fine. Got ares on special and some good call boons, so should be fine
mellow quest
it's patched on PC and is much better
still vigil
oh! Doom can def last longer on a enemy with weak if you get curse of longing @open heron
open heron
is that an ares boon?
rocky iris
Yeah that's what I'm going for, but it's not looking good. Last chance in styx room
What a waste of the +2 cast legendary though...
mellow quest
you'll have to revisit it once switch is on the same patch. it's super strong
they also buffed cursh shot pom scaling back to silly levels
still vigil
is that an ares boon?
@open heron iirc it's a duo boon
open heron
with demeter?
still vigil
aphro
open heron
oh, rip
rocky iris
Spoke too soon, murdered by final boss...runs no good :(
open heron
lmfao just had my run ended by a falling axe
surreal creek
whats a reliable exagryph build that doesnt rely on any aspect?
still vigil
someone cleared 40 heat with Gilgamesh Im shook
untold iris
tfw you're in an erebus gate, charging your spear before enemies spawn in
a flame wheel spawns right on top of you and you let your spear spin go
rip me
fathom cargo
@surreal creek Lightning Strike + Divine Dash is a pretty good combo for any Exagryph build.
surreal creek
so zeus keepsake for lightning then athena after for divine dash?
fathom cargo
that'd be my recommendation!
surreal creek
ok!
opal lodge
i would not do zeus for hestia
since you're mostly trying to get the most empowered shots out
untold iris
yeah hestia you want artemis/aphrodite, the other three aspects you want zeus
today I learned you can die from fishing
if you accidentally cast your rod while standing on lava, you start taking lava damage, and you can't cancel out of the fish animation for a long time so you end up taking like 100+ damage
still vigil
oop
amber kindle
What is a good gun build with Zag? having a hard time beating hades but everything else is fine
untold iris
zeus attack
thats really the entire core build
afterwards try and aim for support fire, zeus legendary, or a nice duo boon
amber kindle
should I try getting an athena deflect boon to add in for quality?
untold iris
yeah if you're struggling, divine dash is always good
if you're fine playing without deflect, tidal dash + sea storm is very powerful
rocky iris
You can also die from fishing in the 45 second survive room if you fish before anything spawns.
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
untold iris
smouldering air is another good duo boon that builds off of zeus start
cunning urchin
@rocky iris can you F10 that if you're in a chamber like that to let them know?
untold iris
wait I have a weird question
I just had aphrodite call deal 3150 damage
which is more than I would have expected
seems like a 26% increase from its base damage, and I dont know what I have that would give 26%
untold iris
oh I have family favorite
I can check if I have sweet surrender as well
since family favorite would be 25%
doesnt seem like I have anything besides family favorites that would amp the damage
cunning urchin
Maybe you misread the number or there's just some weird rounding or something.
woven vortex
does family favorite count only olympians in 5 action slots or any boons? and hermes counts right?
cunning urchin
Any boons + Lord Hermes, yes.
woven vortex
thanks!
cunning urchin
I've also heard it's capped at 25% either way, but take that with a grain of salt.
I never bother looking at it to see how much I get, personally.
untold iris
I checked and I had 25% family favorites
I might have misread the number, thats also a possibility
woven vortex
ah capped at 25?
thorny dirge
i've definitely seen 30% on the tooltip, unless that means the tooltip is unreliable
solid hazel
It's 5% per Olympians... It is usually 25%,but you can probably force it higher with God keepsakes
thorny dirge
it could be, i didn't do any maffs
solid hazel
Not saying it's a good strategy but you can force it higher
I have observed getting 6 gods even without keepsake manipulation, but it probably had to do with a shop and then forced reward afterwards.... Pretty rare
solid hazel
Choas doesn't count but yeah I think it still possible
woven vortex
you could just reroll some chambers for it also
rocky iris
@rocky iris can you F10 that if you're in a chamber like that to let them know?
@cunning urchin
F10?
cunning urchin
F10 for a bug report, yes.
cunning urchin
No, F10 opens a bug reporter. 
Errr. I don't think so. You could let them know in #h1-tech-support, though.
vagrant olive
Why dose thesus have 2 guns
solid hazel
I don't know if it's a bug... Per se, could just be unintended consequence of how their seeds work
vagrant olive
Q-q
pliant anvil
Family favorite can go above 25% if you force it
cunning urchin
Well, it's good to let them look at it, anyway.
solid hazel
Don't you know? the Greeks invented machine guns around 2500 nc
finite socket
I mean
pliant anvil
through keepsakes at least, otherwise it naturally "caps" at 25% though usually
finite socket
The Rail is a thing
woven vortex
oh i just read that marked IS a status curse, so it does trigger privileged status after all
cunning urchin
No, I mean I've read here that people had forced more gods and it was still only +25%.
Like I said, though, I've never bothered verifying it either way.
plush abyss
hi there, does anyone have build suggestions for aspect of lucifer?
solid hazel
Really hmm... Gonna have to try
finite socket
Zeus Attack
pliant anvil
@cunning urchin I've forced it to 6 gods and It displays as +30% damage, and does increase it, in my experience at least
cunning urchin
@unkempt pagoda should have some good ideas for Lucifer.
finite socket
Flash Fire/Concentrated Beam for hammers
woven vortex
aspect of lucifer is pretty hard, but i noticed that there is a special attribute to it : you can dash without interrupting its attack!
solid hazel
@woven vortex marked counts for PS, but it's not great at it...since you can only apply it by hitting a different enemy
woven vortex
@solid hazel yeah and it expires if you deal a crit, but you could prevent that by using other attack some times first if you want
i cant remember how long marked lasts
finite socket
You basically go all the way with Zeus and maybe some things from Athena/Poseidon
cunning urchin
All the curses in that table count for Privileged Status: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses
solid hazel
I probably go FF 80% of the time
woven vortex
2,5 second for marked ok
solid hazel
The extra 15% on PS is not that much and you sometimes make bad build decisions to try to activate it
woven vortex
i go FF about half the time
unkempt pagoda
divine flourish with triple bomb is really all you need, but greater inferno or flash fire as a secondary hammer are okay
woven vortex
most mirror traits i switch kinda half time
solid hazel
Only if I know my build comes with two easily applied curses do I run PS
unkempt pagoda
you want something on attack too, lightning strike works fine
cunning urchin
Even for builds where Privileged Status would be better, I often forget to switch lol.
solid hazel
Sounds like a personal problem haha
thorny dirge
kinda wish the mirror was outside LOL
woven vortex
yeah privileged status can rly hurt the enemies
thorny dirge
i forget to switch my mirror all the time
cunning urchin
It's not a problem. It just doesn't matter enough.
primal hazel
Even for builds where Privileged Status would be better, I often forget to switch lol.
@cunning urchin you mean ggamesh?
pliant anvil
@unkempt pagoda how often do the lightning bolts proc on luci attack? every ammo? Or does the zeus CD apply to them too?
unkempt pagoda
your main source of damage is spamming triple bombs and setting them off with your attack, while hiding behind the divineness of your bombs
cunning urchin
Gilgamesh? Huh? Why that? I'm not following.
primal hazel
For PS
pliant anvil
Maim isn't a status curse sadly
solid hazel
Any low tolerance build.... There's a couple aspects it's fine on
unkempt pagoda
lightning strike attacks with each tic, i think
still vigil
gilgamesh doesnt count fer PS iirc
unkempt pagoda
but the most useful part of lightning strike is getting you through tartarus and setting off bombs (the lightning can ricochet onto the bombs, setting them off)
cunning urchin
"Fine" is an understatement for Low Tolerance Chiron lol.
primal hazel
Yeah but PS buffs maim
solid hazel
It's probably not for fist builds though haha
There's several it's fine+ for... Happy now?
cunning urchin
No.
solid hazel
Ah well happiness is overrated anyway
solid hazel
I somehow have that effect on people haha
solid hazel
Daily reminder that we'll all be dead one day 👍
cunning urchin
Some more often than others.
primal hazel
No it's related to something nya said
primal hazel
But dogs are better agreed
Cats still nice tho
solid hazel
Is that Artemis?
cunning urchin
...
primal hazel
solid hazel
I mean can't remember their names haha
still vigil
..
still vigil
close enough
cunning urchin
I can't talk to you anymore.
solid hazel
My bad... It's been like 20 years since I watched that haha
woven vortex
i think it matters depends what kind of build u end up doing
still vigil
ig i feel no need to try doin 40 heat with gilga since some1 already did it
woven vortex
im at about 18 heat with all weapons now
still vigil
ooo
primal hazel
Man the game really doesn't want me to have charged skewer
cunning urchin
You could do 41 with Gilgamesh then lol.
@primal hazel me either.
I also don't want you to have Charged Skewer. 
vagrant olive
Darn, grandma is scary if you make her mad in a god trial
primal hazel
She used to be the godess of harvest
vagrant olive
harvester of my barely functioning runs...
also the image of her weilding the fist is very strange. 10/10 would not want to be punched by her
primal hazel
Idk sounds kinky
vagrant olive
just lemme see my mom agian
im getting a lot more acustomed to the sword tho
nearly beat thesus on my 3rd run with it
primal hazel
Wait till you get secret sword
gray shore
is flying cutter good on demeter fists?
cunning urchin
Sure.
gray shore
thank you
gray shore
it's just
vs concentrated knuckle
which ofc feels like a stable hammer
just wanna branch out a bit
primal hazel
Both nice
Depends on your build imo
If you got something you want to stack
gray shore
first room :D
gray shore
yah i love demeter legendary
primal hazel
It looks so sicj
primal hazel
Eh
primal hazel
Nah
primal hazel
If you got blast and/or decay it's pretty noice
gray shore
i think it's fine... compared to crit builds or ME buildup
primal hazel
Yeah sure
gray shore
demeter and zeus start for me slow
primal hazel
But it's fun
gray shore
but have a high peak
primal hazel
I like dem on dem
primal hazel
But you're right getting a full dem or zeus build requires a bit o luck
primal hazel
9.9/10
gray shore
alright mister contrarian :P
primal hazel
Well 10/10 would be perfect
cunning urchin
Frost Flourish damage is kinda bad.
Frost Strike is okay, but Frost Flourish is so low.
gray shore
forgive me for incorporating some embellishment
this game has
superseded my expectations by a fair margin
gray shore
that's fair
primal hazel
gray shore
primal hazel
Game is 20/10
primal hazel
Dude I want to like you
How did people wrong you that you choose to torture those who can't even resist?
proven osprey
2+2
primal hazel
🧊
proven osprey
gray shore
hey i woulda chosen being a philosophy teacher
if there was any money in it
but
there really isn't
maths on the other hand
primal hazel
There isn't any money in philosophy
gray shore
everyone is happy to pay good money for
primal hazel
True philosophers find nourishment in exploring of the mind itself
turbid needle
True philosophers find nourishment in exploring of the mind itself
This is what I say as I deprive my self of food during my multi day pcp binges
primal hazel
Pcp? No drugs in here
proven osprey
finite siren
yo i just unlocked poseidon aspect for stygius and it fits my playstyle so well ? i'm in awe
i absolutely destroyed megaera, it was a bloodbath
finite siren
i currently have poseidon cast because idk what i'm doing
but it's effective at mowing down rows of enemies
opal lodge
zeus cast is the whey
lapis yacht
Just got Greatest Reflex Epic variant and I am speeding
opal lodge
add hyper sprint to that to truly RP sonic
winter carbon
dashdashdashdashdash
epic greatest reflex with the Gilgamesh aspect and you're zooming
willow fossil
NYOOOOOOOOM
winter carbon
If you're holding dash on Gilgamesh, do you just have i-frames until you run out of dash charges?
Because it kind of seems like it
eternal eagle
ugh i can't finish with spear - tried all aspects 😦 any tips?
winter carbon
That should shut him up for a bit
potent kayak
he had it coming >:)
winter carbon
He always has it coming, you sadly have to go through the bull first though every time
potent kayak
still vigil
you never see it comiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
potent kayak
thats why shes my fav god
winter carbon
I tried EM3 today for the achievement, was honestly not that much harder than the normal fight
potent kayak
right after bouldy
still vigil
just dont get hit
cunning urchin
Was it just FO2 or FO2 EM3?
proven osprey
FO2 EM3
still vigil
turn on god mode and youll win
thats the true key to success
proven osprey
ah
still vigil
at least thats what works fer me so i feel better after losing 12 times
proven osprey
I'm just dumb thinking that I can go for 41 heat GY after beating 32 once
untold iris
I usually find EM3 to be easier than non EM3 because I find keeping track of one boss to be a lot easier than trying to track two, and with EM3 turned on Theseus barely does anything
but I've only done EM3 with FO1 turned on, I haven't tried the fight with FO2, and I heard that Asterius is kind of bad with that turned on
potent kayak
sorry what is fo1, fo2 and em3 i am noob
still vigil
pact of punishment modifierzs
proven osprey
It's ok Bouldy, there take this nectar
still vigil
the difficulty scaler after you clear the game once
cunning urchin
@proven osprey it's not about what you can do now, it's about where you can get.
proven osprey
You're really inspiring you know
proven osprey
and I'm not even joking
But at the moment, Elysium is hell for me. I think I need to train EM3 FO2 with less heat, HL in particular
Maybe, Idk. One mistake with GY is so punishing
cunning urchin
You could try not taking EM3 if you're losing to that.
proven osprey
You think EM3 is a problem ?
cunning urchin
You just told me it is.
cunning urchin
You could also try building for ME.
proven osprey
ME ?
potent kayak
me
cunning urchin
Yeah, try building a temple for me.
cunning urchin
ME on Guan Yu, yes.
opal lodge
man just hits harder than a tonka truck
proven osprey
Yeah, try building a temple for me.
@cunning urchin Sure, my arms are bit sore now but I'll get to it
cunning urchin
Well, that didn't take a lot of convincing.
proven osprey
I'm willing to do anything to beat GY 41
proven osprey
Thanks Bouldy !
potent kayak
no problem
cunning urchin
If it doesn't meet my expectations, I will have you two fed to the sacred crocodiles. 👸🏽
potent kayak
@proven osprey will do, we will make a fine temple
proven osprey
@cunning urchin Btw, have you done a high heat FO2 run with Guan Yu ? Or TD3 only ?
@proven osprey will do, we will make a fine temple
@potent kayak That's good to hear !
kindred trout
Man the game really doesn't want me to have charged skewer
@primal hazel Are you running Achilles? Achilles can't get it.
cunning urchin
@proven osprey yes but that was with the 100% crit chance, so I gotta redo it sometime lol.
At least I think I did FO2 that time. Pretty sure I did.
cunning urchin
lol I'm pretty busy with school.
primal hazel
Hades is more important
proven osprey
school is tempory indeed, thus it's more important
I recently finished my studies and going back would not be so bad lol
primal hazel
Uni is actually forever too
proven osprey
instant delete
potent kayak
aaaahhhh
it wont do the spoiler thing
so i have had 20 runs but I've only gotten to the final boss once is that normal or am i just a bad rock
potent kayak
okay noice
primal hazel
Let your worries perish
willow fossil
Harry Potter dies in endgame
potent kayak
hahaha
potent kayak
thought so
turbid needle
do you kill theseus first with EM3 ? 🤔 in my head it sounds doable/easier
primal hazel
Still prefer asterius
He's harder than theseus
On EM3
And theseus is even less intrusive
winter carbon
He seems pretty content just bombing the outer circle
I just let him do that til the bull is dealt with
languid tundra
uh
what do em do?
like I just got the pact but I'm still completing weapons on heat 0
proven osprey
EM is extrem measures
languid tundra
yeah ik that
proven osprey
it makes bosses better
proven osprey
well
languid tundra
like you don't get to fight meg anymore?
proven osprey
better at kicking your butt
primal hazel
Idk if you're new maybe this channel is too spoilery for You
languid tundra
that's fair
I'm not that new
40 hours, beat the final boss twice
I'm not sure how new is that compared to you guys
languid tundra
aight then
thanks
btw since this is about combat, what the hell am I supposed to do with the spear
like
it feels so bad to use
untold iris
poke them with the spear
or dash attack if you get serrated point
or spam special if you get exploding launcher
the latter two builds are a lot better in my opinion
untold iris
the "poke them until they die" build is the backup plan when your build sucks
languid tundra
that's fair, but then you have better melee options
primal hazel
Get secret spear aspect
primal hazel
Or use achilles and okay casts and don't use spear at all
untold iris
i've been really liking the hades spear
languid tundra
I have none of them
cunning urchin
I think you're mostly safe here from story spoilers. But probably wanna stay away from #h1-story-discussion lol.
primal hazel
I hate that hades damage buff doesn't apply to the spin itself
languid tundra
I'm a base weapon gamer since I don't know what to level first
primal hazel
There I am thinking I could do a fun spin build
half crater
Or use achilles and okay casts and don't use spear at all
@primal hazel this is theprome strat
primal hazel
But game says no
languid tundra
only leveled homing special on bow for now
untold iris
i think tailesque is slowly converting all the people who want to learn spear at higher heats to hades spear
languid tundra
to like 3
cunning urchin
Chiron is really really good.
untold iris
just because we watch his video and want to pretend like we're that good
primal hazel
@primal hazel this is the
prome strat
@half crater you can leave the pro
snow vapor
i hate arthur 😦
half crater
lol
primal hazel
Out of here
snow vapor
was about to clear my five heat run
primal hazel
primal hazel
Arthur=Big boy damage
untold iris
to be honest spin on the hades spear is mostly to apply the debuff
cunning urchin
I'd definitely recommend getting Chiron to at least 5 arrows per volley asap. Can help you easily farm bounties.
snow vapor
yeah i like arthur for everyone except hades tbh
primal hazel
Ik but it's annoying af
finite socket
Thinking Arthur is bad
snow vapor
nah i was kidding
primal hazel
Why can't you just let me do a spin build
untold iris
its too slow to weave into your combo seamlessly in my opinion
I mostly spin-dash to close distance and apply debuff, then use attacks/dash attacks
snow vapor
I took out everyone in record time for me, except hades
proven osprey
actually there is a strong spin build invovling GY @primal hazel
untold iris
trying to charge spin in melee range is too unreliable
snow vapor
In reality I was attacking and fell into 3 urns on my last dd
primal hazel
I'm still talking about hades
proven osprey
alright I'll keep my secrets
primal hazel
GY is the only good spear where you actually play spear
Fite me
half crater
lol hades is good
languid tundra
btw how good is hermes' boon as opposed to just taking the max hp
half crater
i’m bad at it, but it’s a good weapon
primal hazel
Ok then you want to fite
languid tundra
it feels really underwhelming compared to regular boons
half crater
okay let’s fight; you use GY i’ll use hades
primal hazel
I'm not saying it's bad
I'm just saying I hate it with a burning passion and I want SGG to erase it from existence
untold iris
to be honest I think hades spear is probably the closest to what I think a generic spear should be
primal hazel
okay let’s fight; you use GY i’ll use hades
@half crater no need for you to give me a free win
untold iris
guan yu is too focused on shooting spinning projectiles or shooting exploding projectiles
cunning urchin
Hades Aspect is cool.
untold iris
and achilles is a cast aspect
primal hazel
to be honest I think hades spear is probably the closest to what I think a generic spear should be
@untold iris explains why I hate spear
Aside gy
half crater
hmm seems like i’ve already reduced you to half health, and the fight hasn’t started yet
untold iris
hades aspect you actually press the attack button a bunch
cunning urchin
How about I fight both of you bare-fisted?
primal hazel
Hmm seems like I one shorted you> hmm seems like i’ve already reduced you to half health, and the fight hasn’t started yet
@half crater
Because you were still charging your spin
half crater
nah you see, i can’t be one shorted
primal hazel
I love my auto correct
primal hazel
How about I fight both of you bare-fisted?
@cunning urchin sure get in there's space for everyone
half crater
nyaanyaa how will that solve which spear is best
primal hazel
I can get you down to 0 by the time your done charging
open heron
i think i may have made a mistake putting poseidon attack boon on guan yu
half crater
And the best spear aspect is.... Demeter!
cunning urchin
@half crater it won't. But it will entertain me.
half crater
touché
cunning urchin
I am.
half crater
i mean, if we’re talking about best spears which aren’t spears: achilles
proven osprey
It's Hades
primal hazel
Well that's your problem
opal lodge
hades spear is the best spear because tailesque is good at it
proven osprey
GY is not a spear, it's a guandao
opal lodge
this is solid reasoning
untold iris
i used to really hate spear too, but there's something really satisfying about spin-dashing with the hades spear
its just such a big and cool circle
primal hazel
I like dying too
half crater
hades spear is the best spear because tailesque is good at it
@opal lodge this is fr my entire argument
half crater
same
primal hazel
Hades is bad because Haelian says so
half crater
i do it for fun sometimes even though it wastes time
primal hazel
snow vapor
Chill or Hangover on spear is my fave tho
primal hazel
"fun"
cunning urchin
its just such a big and cool circle
I'm taking all the credit for that.
snow vapor
on attack ofc
opal lodge
i imagine we'll see some fun stuff since it's an aspect picked for hermes cup this week
but honestly expecting a lot of people to ban hades spear just so they dont have to use it
primal hazel
snow vapor
time for Aspect of Demeter
potent kayak
toxic rose
Else when u take glacial glare its gonna suck big time
potent kayak
this is what i got but yeah its just a mess
of different boons
i didnt have much luck with other boons
so i guess i went with the meme build
potent kayak
no :/
primal hazel
Aphrodite has a duo
toxic rose
Lol
opal lodge
looks like you have 4 gods in there
primal hazel
That interacts with beam
opal lodge
the aphro duo feels strictly worse than the artemis duo for beam
primal hazel
But artemis's way better ofc
Aphro duo is p fun if you have beam on a really close range weapon
Free continuous damage
potent kayak
i have to look into what boons work with others, i kinda know some here and there but still kinda new to it all
primal hazel
Codex
potent kayak
true
toxic rose
Hmm do u take artemis 1st when going for beam run
proven osprey
it's really something to have 2 bouldy out there
primal hazel
You play beam for fun
Otherwise it's just scuffed hunting blades
it's really something to have 2 bouldy out there
@proven osprey this server is now blessed
proven osprey
It's also blessed by the person we're going to build a temple for
primal hazel
?
half crater
y’all building a temple for bouldy?
proven osprey
You should ask the other bouldy for more details
half crater
i approve
primal hazel
Isn't there already?
potent kayak
well yes you could say that
half crater
i can't confirm or deny
@potent kayak so would say... it’s ambiguous?
potent kayak
@half crater exactly
primal hazel
half crater
proven osprey
potent kayak
proven osprey
hmm...
primal hazel
Well uhm gn
proven osprey
it's ok I'll pretend I did not see anything
primal hazel
What was there to see?
proven osprey
well, nothing
primal hazel
hollow helm
How do you build for Rama bow?
turbid needle
Don't need too much to make Rama work. You mostly want a big damage boon on attack (Artemis/Aphrodite(<-- This one's ideal)/Athena), alongside another boon that benefits from rapidfire for the special (Zeus(<-- Ideal one)/Demeter/Dio/Ares). Then you can get poms and damage-boosting boons and start killing stuff real fast.
That's the cookie-cutter way
With the right hammers, Special-based Rama can be decent, and is a lot of fun
But mainly focusing on attack is usually what you want. Use the special on enemies a few times to get them marked, and charge big attacks on them. That'd be the main flowchart
devout ether
Always take twin shot with Rama, that's the ezpz way to win.
turbid needle
^ The damage is ridiculous
turbid needle
If anything, Aphrodite on special and Artemis on attack with Heart Rend can lead to insane crits
hollow helm
How does shared suffering interact with Dio DoT and Zeus' lightning?
opal lodge
dio is very nice on special but i like aphro better for lower heats so you can go fast
i dont think it does tbh has to be attack damage
someone correct me if i'm wrong
turbid needle
^ Not sure on that one either
devout ether
It's just attack damage
Also, you really wanna be going for perfect shots, the damage increase is non-trivial
Gotta relearn the timing, sadly, as it's different from the other bows
hollow helm
I see
solid hazel
uggh just got my first darker thrist where I'm passed the bounties...
my greed is really struggling against my desire to not play high heat haha
solid hazel
so how are people building hades aspect since apparently we love it now
untold iris
artemis attack
or artemis special if you get exploding launcher
crits are very good with hades spear because it gives +150% damage on your attack and special
and that +150% is multiplied by crits
timber junco
Does ravenous will work on builds where you store your cast in an attack? Like, once they are stored and your counter shows 0/1, is ravenous will active?
timber junco
Awesome, thanks
solid hazel
so yeah it's great on hera/beo
I mean better than usual anyway haha...easier to manage it
timber junco
yeah, i did a super easy beowulf build with heroic trippy shot and ravenous will and the numbers were big but always hard to tell what applies to what
mighty ermine
so how are people building hades aspect since apparently we love it now
have we made it? people don't instantly call it bad or clunky now? amazing
also agree with pretty much everything silly said
hades aspect really likes artemis
woven delta
Hades aspect also really loves that hammer upgrade that speeds up charge rate on the spin
mighty ermine
quick spin is okay if you're not used to spin timing and spacing, but hades aspect doesn't really need it
especially with the increased sweep radius
serrated point and exploding launcher are generally the best hammers for it in terms of taking advantage of its strengths
dry ember
woven delta
If nothing else Pressure Points is always great
royal helm
opal lodge
@mighty ermine i noticed flaring spin did a surprising amount of work on your 50 heat run, would you take it over quick spin with DC on?
mighty ermine
honestly, probably yeah. quick spin just isn't hugely important since max charge spins aren't needed most of the time
and without serrated point, DC hearts are just annoying to deal with on hades aspect
it was definitely way nicer than i thought it would be
flaring spin, i mean
also kind of cool: the flaring spin pulses are affected by pressure points
untold iris
im obviously nowhere near as good with the spear, but I havent noticed a big need for quick spin on hades
the spin is so big already that even with a medium charge you can still hit enemies from really far away when combined with your dash
mighty ermine
exactly, you can pretty much choose a direction for your wider quarter/half sweeps at all times to where charging for max is almost never going to be needed
except for meme runs where you get massive and quick spin, which are fun
quasi heath
Wooo. Well, I went from 14->16->32 heat and won 32 heat on my first go 'round! Well, time to work my way up that way for real this time lol
I really can't imagine doing the 40% attack speed without shield though 
pliant anvil
@turbid needle Depends on the aspect. For Achilles, I like a cast build, and Zag I would focus on the special for obvious reasons
Achilles could be an interesting dash build too, especially if you get the triple dash strike and can handle the dash range reduction.
turbid needle
i have 8 blood
turbid needle
i dont like achilles the chargin throw you dont get any more damage from it unlike bow
pliant anvil
@turbid needle that's because the ability of achilles is designed to support Casts or Attacks
casts in my experience being easier to build on achilles, specifically ares or dio if you're not using stygian soul
still vigil
@quasi heath whaaa congrats!
quasi heath
Yeah I prefer Hades all the way, I like how it can work with strong attacks or special things
still vigil
howd ya do it?
pliant anvil
does punishing spin have to land for it to proc the damage buff?
untold iris
well, yes
pliant anvil
dang
untold iris
you need to actually hit them and do damage
quasi heath
Chaos Shield. I got dio on my special, zeus cast, Pos call, demeter attack, and had like NO dash until near the end, ended up being zeus's lol got epic boons zone 2, but had to sell it on a purge in styx, oof lol
pliant anvil
I was kinda hoping it was like achilles
untold iris
it marks enemies that it hits
hades spear has increased spin range though
its really easy to hit enemies with the spin attack with a small amount of practice
still vigil
woow
red thunder
What does everyone think of the Pierced Butterfly trinket? It seems really good. 2% damage per room cleared without taking damage seems like it could scale really well.
quasi heath
and super easy if you get the giant range hammer
its really easy to hit enemies with the spin attack with a small amount of practice
@untold iris
still vigil
i rlly dun wanna use chaos to get 32 but is so hard to use gilga qwq
quasi heath
What does everyone think of the Pierced Butterfly trinket? It seems really good. 2% damage per room cleared without taking damage seems like it could scale really well.
@red thunder I like.... do well in the first and last areas, but I suck at area 2 and 3 with getting it to proc haha
red thunder
Yeah, area 3 is especially difficult to flawless rooms.
quasi heath
The key for me is I hate EM4, like, I get shredded by him on low heat (so I leave it on to practice lol) but I took that off and just cranked up damage and other stuff because I really just didn't want to deal with him lol
still vigil
ahh
he's the main reason why my 32 heat attempts end
the 2nd is elite buffed numbskulls or witches in a chamber
lots of them qwq
turbid needle
im using the nemesis and zag sword depending on my mood; the zagreus shield; the regular and chiron bow; the zag fists and the eris gun
im just torn on the spear
dont seem to like any of them
do you have a video for them so i can see how they are played
ill just go with zagreus aspect since im undecided
kindred trout
Unlock the first level of Achilles at least. 0 heat runs with a cast build achilles are fun and usually pretty simple. Plus it will count towar unlocking GY if you haven't yet.
turbid needle
dw i have all aspects
quasi heath
GY I just dislike. Zag is meh. Spear for me will always be Hades spear lol
I should maybe try achilles tho
turbid needle
ill do it because its just 5
quasi heath
I never really do cast builds intentionally
It's more when chaos and hermes and artemis shove crystals down my throat lol
turbid needle
im doing runs with the +15 gold mirror because i find it really easy for now tbh
im just at 3 heat
farm blood that way
quasi heath
My issue with cast builds is that I feel like there are so many things that feel like a prereq that I have no control over
Like, the one that spits out the casts if you have a move that embeds them.
opal lodge
exit wounds?
quasi heath
yeah that one
opal lodge
what's the problem with it?
quasi heath
I literally can't remember the names just what they do lol
Not a problem, I just feel like I need it if I wanted to go caster-heavy
Unless I have like, trippy shot
opal lodge
what i like about cast builds is that even if you are pressing the same button each cast build is fun in its own way and requires different boons to be effective
pliant anvil
Cast builds mostly only rely on the cast itself, and a weapon. At worst, they require the same amount as any other weapon
They might have more reliance on poms though I suppose
quasi heath
So what would be a couple of really good cast combo options? I am going back down to farm like, 15 heat and stuff, I might as well give it a try.
Can fix pom stuff easy enough with the persephonie trinket
cunning urchin
Hera, Flood Shot, get Mirage Shot.
pliant anvil
^
turbid needle
^
proven parcel
Poseidon in general is a good choice
quasi heath
Which weapon is Hera again?
pliant anvil
I found I rather like ares & artemis/dio cast with spear due to them not getting stuck
proven parcel
the bow
pliant anvil
Hera is bow
turbid needle
Poseidon aspect of sword with Artemis cast and Mirage shot (again lol) is also a nice option
quasi heath
Ah ok.
So it's Poseidon sword, hera bow, and achilles spear* that all are the main caster thingers?
turbid needle
^
cunning urchin
Beowulf and Talos, too.
quasi heath
Beowulf I just... couldn't get to feel right
proven parcel
You dash then hit cast
pliant anvil
Is Talos really cast? Never knew. I thought it was the mag pull?
proven parcel
oops
cunning urchin
Beowulf with Stygian Soul + Trippy Flare.
turbid needle
@pliant anvil The pull marks foes with a mark that boosts your damage. Includes cast
proven parcel
any weapon with added cast dmg is cast
pliant anvil
Yeah, I forgot it did that. I always used it for the pull when I initially ran it
kindred trout
Poseidon cast is probably the most versatile way to start a cast build. You don't neccessarily need a special way to get the stones back because you can avoid sticking them in enemies by hitting walls and clipping people with the AoE. Poseidon has duo-boon with Zeus and Demeter that substantially improve the cast, too.
cunning urchin
Talos with Blizzard Shot is incredible. You can just keep pulling enemies into your Blizzard Shot lol.
opal lodge
talos is a cast aspect
opal lodge
talos with blizzard shot or phalanx shot is sick
quasi heath
Yeah, I forgot it did that. I always used it for the pull when I initially ran it
@pliant anvil wait im confused, there's +cast damage on talos? The pulling in fists?
proven parcel
Blizzard shot with talos is prob wild
pliant anvil
@quasi heath yeah it marks pulled enemies for more attack/cast damage
turbid needle
Blizzard Talos, eh ? 👀
Honestly, Poseidon cast with Talos seems like it could be fun for rooms
quasi heath
ooooh, I must have only ever used it for attack lol huh
opal lodge
could also pretty easily just take flood shot on talos and go for a scuffed ME build while also maybe getting blizzard shot/curse of drowning
quasi heath
Yeah, I would give talos blizz a shot for sure.
cunning urchin
Achilles Aspect and Poseidon Aspect with Electric Shot are very fast.
quasi heath
Curse of drowning is the ares+pose right?
turbid needle
Ye
kindred trout
Oh yeah, and mirage shot. Poseidon has 3 duo boons that upgrade his cast, plus Curse of Drowning which is kind of a side-grade.
turbid needle
And also something I need to mess around with for Talos runs
quasi heath
Is that really that effective? It feels... I don't know, just doesn't feel solid to me
But maybe with Talos would feel better
turbid needle
If I could make it work with shield, it sounds a LOT better for Talos
Since you pull foes in and deal MASSIVE damage
opal lodge
curse of drowning is just something thats easy to pick up
turbid needle
Ares Special Poseidon cast
opal lodge
if you already have ares on attack and athena on special
turbid needle
Oh boi
opal lodge
for ME
quasi heath
I probably just didn't notice it because I usually ended up doing pose dash with pose cast in my runs so they're kinda all over lol
spark trellis
What happens if I have Blown Kiss + Crush Shot and I exchange Crush Shot for Phalanx shot? Does Blown Kiss now modify Phalanx or does it just become inert?
cunning urchin
Blown Kiss only works on Crush Shot.
spark trellis
kk, i figured as much. thanks.
rugged wave
any fun demeter builds?
placid topaz
laser beams
rugged wave
I meant the aspect
fallow jackal
Tidal Dash+Aphrodite Attack and then just dash attack through everything
mellow quest
it's an aspect that there is room for creativity on.
there's definitely some "right" answers but if the goal is fun there is not a lot that is truly terrible on it.
placid topaz
artemis special should work nicely
warm snow
hi everybody
red thunder
Hello.
red thunder
Sounds like a time consuming endeavor, but there's definitely enough Titan Blood to do it.\
I'll be getting there eventually. Only just recently got to Heat 1 though, so I still have a ways to go.
warm snow
there are some fish, bass, trout
If you catch them, you may exchange them to the chef in the House of Hades
for Diamond or Ambrosia
opal lodge
ive done it and im only 300 hours in
warm snow
fully upgrade 24 aspects?