h1-builds-and-combat

[tranquil violet]

whenever I try to force a certain build I tend to end up messing myself up

It's better to roll with the punches and only use your fated dice when you really really don't want whatever's on offer

Use them to avoid the worst case, not try to force the best case.

Sometimes what seems like it won't work is actually pretty good. Though sometimes it's just bad.

A fully developed "bad" build is better than a badly developed "ideal" build.

As long as it's not a truly bad bad build that just doesn't suit the weapons

[boreal ermine]

Sometimes I get a build so successful and fun I wish I could play it again

[tranquil violet]

Wow.

Meme beams are so much better with Stygian

I'm trying now to stick with Stygian and see how it changes gameplay and wow

Compared to most mirror talents it changes stuff up on many builds a lot

I wonder which other talents I haven't tried most fundamentally change gameplay.

[iron shale]

my personal favorite consistent build

is chiron bow

demeter special

sno brust

aphro attack

done

xD

worked easily up to heat 20

and probably farther

[spare flare]

@tranquil violet What's not to understand about Cold Embrace?

Best build so far seems to be Heartbreak Strike/Flourish, Divine Dash, a good Aid, and Smoldering Air. Need something from Zeus in there, so he can be the Aid or the Strike/Flourish, whichever you're not using.

That's for general use. Which aspect you're using can change a lot.

Lots of other stuff, really. All aspects of Exagryph like Lightning Strike a lot.

[cunning urchin]

Hestia doesn't care for Lightning Strike one bit.

[surreal dune]

I always pair Chiron special with Dio

Demeter on atk

Does more damage

And hangover can also slow

[cunning urchin]

Frost Strike? Why?

Oh for the slow. Heartbreak Strike does way more damage, and you can get Low Tolerance for even more Hangover stacks.

[warm snow]

hi!

I just find out || Maim || usage

(the fist 4th aspects - special)

it's for the Elysium boss at extreme measure - pact of punishment

If you just attack, you have very little time

instead, I use || maim || and beat the 2 quickly

also hold dash for 4 dashes to avoid their attack

the bull attacks like || hip hop dance ||

so the fist is as useful as the bow and the gun

I got the|| 'Champion of Elysium' achievement||

[dry ember]

There is one Imposter.
Zag Rail
Hestia
Eris
Lucifer

Vote.

Grats whale14, you are the first whale to do so despite being late 14 times to register your name.

[honest edge]

hey guys, know any good build for Hestia?

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

[honest edge]

and also, it might sounds like a dumb question, but what is the best way to use Hestia? reload after one shot, or just fire away as long as you don't forget to reload manually?

[unkempt pagoda]

reload -> shoot -> reload -> shoot, ad infinitum

[sweet blade]

Which god has the best attack boost in terms of % damage increase?

[unkempt pagoda]

aphrodite

for both attack and special

pretty sure she also scales better than artemis with levels (in a vacuum)

[cloud barn]

also she has the weakness boon

more damage to weakened foes

lorge damage

[unkempt pagoda]

artemis starts scaling better when you start getting T2 boons, i believe, but i'd need someone to check me on this

[cloud barn]

hm?

lemme check

[unkempt pagoda]

but just purely comparing attack/special boons, aphrodite wins out

[cloud barn]

ye

also aphro only requires 2 boons for super good damage (strike/special/cast + sweet surrender)

artemis needs quite a few crit boons to beat it

[half crater]

sweet surrender is hardly required

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike and Flourish also have way better pom scaling.

[cloud barn]

true

is surrender +% to your damage or +% to the damage they take? (additive or multiplicative)

[half crater]

sweet surrender is extra damage vs. weak targets

[cloud barn]

ye

[cunning urchin]

It really depends, though. If Heartbreak takes 2 hits all of the time, and Deadly takes 2 hits most of the time but 1 hit some of the time when it crits, then Deadly is better.

[half crater]

i like it, but i wouldn't say its required for aphro to deal damage

[honest edge]

So is it better to use Aphro attack with PP rather than Artemis attack when it comes to damage output?

[cunning urchin]

Sweet Surrender adds global extra damage, too. It's pretty great.

[cloud barn]

also the exact wording of sweet surrender is "Weak-afflicted foes are also more susceptible to damage." so i think that means it would be multiplicative right?

[cunning urchin]

No, it's additive.

[half crater]

oh sorry i misunderstood your question

yeah its additive

[cunning urchin]

Only crits are multiplicative.

[cloud barn]

:c

[cunning urchin]

Deadly ends up doing more damage in most runs because you have no issues grabbing t2 boons and all that stuff.

[bold salmon]

Went ||Rama ||and explosive shot with Pos dash and boy is it interesting 😂

[cunning urchin]

But they usually go together for Heart Rend, anyway.

[cloud barn]

it just feels like weird wording to me, to me "susceptible to damage" would mean (total weapon damage) x 1.(% bonus)

[unkempt pagoda]

weird wording? in hades? never

but really, most offensive numbers in this game (especially boons) are additive

[cunning urchin]

Susceptible doesn't imply multiplicative in any way.

[woven vortex]

anybody play without aim assist?

(controller)

seems like its mostly harder but there can be pros to it as well

[bold salmon]

No, sorta the whole reason i play on controller is makes it easier to focus on dashin.

[woven vortex]

seems interesting to need to aim better and also if you have something like triple shot on bow

you can actually aim the two side shots at what you want better

but yeah other than that mostly harder, to hit shots with adamant rail for example

well nice that there is the option!

[bold salmon]

So does Dios not work with ||Rama special||?

[half crater]

dio works fine on ||rama||

its probably one of the better choices

[bold salmon]

Doesnt look like the damage is spreading. Just staying on whoever its stacked on.

[half crater]

as in, the special arrows that bounce aren't applying it?

they should

[bold salmon]

No the passive part

[half crater]

ohh, you mean shared suffering?

yeah that only duplicates attack damage

[bold salmon]

Got every Duo for Art/Dios/Aphro 😄

[spare flare]

Guys, spoilers are fine here. You can just say the names of hidden aspects.

[wide plover]

bad news is just 50% cast damage increase on stuff like trippy shot, right? the "first shot damage" is just bad wording, correct?

[barren otter]

yeah, on non-lodging casts it's just a +50% damage increase, on lodging casts it's a 50% damage increase if the enemy doesn't have a cast in them.

[wide plover]

can be pretty good on stuff like zeus cast that likes to bounce around as well, I suspect

though the other hermes legendary with infernal soul might be better

[tender stirrup]

Greater Recall is always fun when you're trying to nuke stuff with Aspect of Hera

that and the Artemis legendary that grants +2 bloodstones

[wide plover]

plume makes getting hermes legendaries so easy. I recently got the recall twice when getting the achievement to purge a legendary

[limber flax]

dio attack good on fists right?

[cunning urchin]

Not really.

[limber flax]

okay

[whole axle]

For attack speed boon buffs, does that increase animation speed or buffer between attacks or both?

[limber flax]

do you like artemis aid

[harsh pasture]

how does mirage shot work with buewolf

[cunning urchin]

Like you'd expect.

Just extra explosions that do 30% damage.

[harsh pasture]

NICE

[cunning urchin]

Artemis' Aid is alright for Greater Call on bosses if you can make sure that it backstabs.

[limber flax]

i have a question

i play demeter fists rn and got chaos attack buff

would it make sense to put aphro on attack now? since chaos buff buffs raw dmg?

[cunning urchin]

No.

[limber flax]

okay sad

[cunning urchin]

It's additive anyway.

[limber flax]

would you play fists with aphro attack?

[cunning urchin]

I'd play Gilgamesh with Heartbreak Strike.

[limber flax]

okay

that makes more sense ye

https://imgur.com/yxQt9b6

?

im unsure

[cunning urchin]

I'd take Flying Cutter or Concentrated Knuckle.

[turbid needle]

Want to try something else on the bow other than Dio

Any suggestions?

[unkempt pagoda]

like, with hera?

true shot exit wounds always works

so does hunting blades, but that involves having to play regular slicing shot before the build comes online

i've heard good things about cold embrace + parting shot, since you can easily position the crystals where you want (you'll probably be an attack/cast hybrid, to do something while your crystals are lasering)

[harsh pasture]

trying this buewolf build

but needs a lot of stuff

[wide plover]

is there some trick to getting trials? I'm trying to get the call achievement, but just don't get them

[grim dune]

If I wanna look in to getting in to speedrunning and going fast would anyone mind sharing some beginners tips for pursuing that?

[cunning urchin]

Trials are just RNG.

[wide plover]

[harsh pasture]

is there anything other than zeus artemis duo

that does stuff with dropped crystals

[cunning urchin]

https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

[grim dune]

Thanks @cunning urchin

🐱

[cunning urchin]

Sure thing.

There's a link to the speedrun discord server here, too. https://www.speedrun.com/hades

[bold salmon]

@woven vortex upon unlocking the guns 4th aspect i can see free aim being MUCH better for it

[opal lodge]

@grim dune if youre looking for the "big 6" weapons rn just look at the most recent all weapons RTA subs

[whole axle]

Does Bloody Frenzy (after using death defiance deal more dmg), stack? If so, additive or multiplicative?

[storm niche]

Is there a website or another source with a list of builds?

I am curious what other people built or went for

[cunning urchin]

There's a build guide for base weapons pinned in #h1-for-new-players. The #h1-high-heat-strategies channel has a spreadsheet of 40+-Heat clears with video links.

[heavy zinc]

Hi, haven't played the game since blood price update

Was the last boss buffed?

[oblique forge]

No idea

[heavy zinc]

Can't beat it at heat 7 with several weapons

feels faster than normal

normal being two months ago

[storm niche]

@cunning urchin thanks 🙂

[proven osprey]

Idk man, can beat him blindfolded with one hand

[cunning urchin]

I've seen him defeated blindfolded and one-handed—but not both at the same time.

[dry ember]

be the change you want to see in the world

[proven osprey]

It's because you don't watch my streams Nyan

[cunning urchin]

Nyaanyaa.

[proven osprey]

[cunning urchin]

I refer you to this. #h1-builds-and-combat message

Oh wow, that was before I did 41 the first time. That feels so long ago now lol.

[proven osprey]

OOF

Double strike

It hurts

[cunning urchin]

[proven osprey]

Ok let's make a deal. I beat 32 heat and I can call you Nyan

[cunning urchin]

No.

[willow fossil]

No.

Lmfao

[proven osprey]

Hey come on

[dry ember]

probably need to bump that 55

[proven osprey]

Yeah

[lone lava]

Ferocious Guard or Sudden Rush on Dio special Chaos shield?

[cinder flower]

What are some notable boon combos for hidden fist aspect

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air.

But you'll want Divine Dash, to be honest.

So I'd prioritize Heartbreak Strike + Divine Dash.

[lone lava]

Nyaanyaa do you know if Ferocious Guard's 20% applies to hangover damage?

[cinder flower]

so it's a call weapon

[lone lava]

Is it a global dmg mod?

[cunning urchin]

Not really a Call weapon.

Heartbreak Strike does great damage on it and applies Weak.

And Smoldering Air is just strong on anything, so if you have Heartbreak Strike, might as well go for that.

[cinder flower]

well i need to start doing some heat clears on fist, what's considered the best aspect?

[cunning urchin]

@lone lava yeah, it should be universal if it doesn't specify damage type. But I haven't specifically tested it.

Demeter Aspect.

[lone lava]

Thanks

[cunning urchin]

The Hidden Aspect of Malphon was buffed a bit in the current test branch if you want to try it out and maybe give the devs some feedback on it.

[cinder flower]

so who can take best use out the multi hit Q? dion attack with aphordite Q?

[cunning urchin]

Well, the ideal build is Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish + Divine Dash + Merciful End, and maybe True Shot + Deadly Reversal on top of that.

[cinder flower]

but then you're not evening pressing Q

just dash attack

[surreal dune]

So rail is probably my least played weapon. I unlocked zag aspect max since it's pretty decent.

Now I have 3 to unlock including the hidden aspect.

which one should I go for first?

[cinder flower]

@surreal dune eris is the tits, and really versatile

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike and Lightning Strike are also very strong on Malphon.

[untold iris]

eris aspect is broken

[cunning urchin]

Personally, I always start out with the Owl Pendant on Malphon unless I'm playing the hidden aspect.

[untold iris]

but I think zag aspect is fun because the clip size is more suitable to my play patterns

[exotic pike]

speaking of the hidden aspect, isnt athena's deflects busted with it?

[cinder flower]

well i'll put fist down for a bit then until the patch pushes. What's the best sword aspect, nemesis dash attack?

[exotic pike]

i have done some pretty cool runs with the one that dislodges casts with special

[proven osprey]

Nemesis is fine

But Arthur is poggers

[surreal dune]

hmm broken you say

[lone lava]

There's no best sword, there's just a worst sword (Zagspect)

The other 3 are all good

[surreal dune]

I will try Eris then.

Sword is awkward. I almost feel like they need to rework it.

[proven osprey]

Why do you think it is awkward ?

[surreal dune]

The fact that it has no ranged attack options and very unsafe.

From all I have seen the only way sword has success in high heat is spam dash strike.

[cunning urchin]

speaking of the hidden aspect, isnt athena's deflects busted with it?
I think you're missing out on way too much damage by not taking Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike on it.

[boreal ermine]

Any tips on completing a run in a fresh save file? Is it doable on the first go?

[unreal bolt]

Hi, could anyone help me with Demeter aspect?

I saw some runs with it and I noticed that the special isn’t used much

[boreal ermine]

I use the demeter special all the time

[eager grail]

does deathless stand from athena only replenish a previously used death defiance or will it restore a future loss?

[boreal ermine]

Previously used

[eager grail]

ty

[boreal ermine]

Demeter aspect is probably my favourite of all the aspects, punch dodge and blast them with a charged special

Nice and simple

[unreal bolt]

Atm I’m farming titan blood with different weapons on low heats

Do u use the special even when not bugged?

Buffed

[boreal ermine]

Sometimes, not that much though unless it has a debuff with it I want to apply

Weakness or whatever

Depends on hammers you get too

[serene zealot]

Hi everyone, can you suggest a build for Sword Poseidon aspect

[unreal bolt]

And r u going with doom ?

[serene zealot]

The one that dislodge blood stone

[boreal ermine]

I wouldn't usually take doom for it, I'd go for a heavy hitting boon on the special, to get max damage

[serene zealot]

I usually Aphro or Demeter on special

Artemis on attack, Heartrend

[unreal bolt]

I took Artemis on special atm

[boreal ermine]

Yeh that's good

[proven osprey]

@serene zealot I like Artemis and Zeus casts for that aspect

Mirage shot is a good duo

So poseidon cast is fine too

[calm sandal]

Anybody have advice for using rail? In my somewhat limited time using it I have found its damage to be so much lower than the other weapons, along with it being so much more dangerous due to having to stand still to attack. Is there some trick to it im not getting, or does the rail just require massive amounts of blood to be useful?

[proven osprey]

It's a rather safe weapon since you can easily manage spacing

What aspect have you tried yet ?

[calm sandal]

Eris and hestia, both only lvl 2

I like the way Hestia feels the most

[proven osprey]

Well you can easily hit and run can't you ?

[calm sandal]

It beingmore dangerous is mainly when I try to use Eris aspect not hestia

[proven osprey]

Something like dash strike reload dash strike reload

[unreal bolt]

Well u can’t stop dashing just because u have a long range weapon

[proven osprey]

Not an Eris expert but I think you kinda dash in your ennemies to get your special bonus and then get hit ?

[calm sandal]

Yeah, and that I feel like I lose so much damage by dashing

[proven osprey]

The dmg buff is huge, you should go Zeus if you're not

I would say it's all about spacing, you don't need to spam dashes

[calm sandal]

As in go for zues attack boon

?

[proven osprey]

Yeah

Eris bonus applies to Zeus attack

You'll shred your ennemies

[calm sandal]

Ok cool, i was trying to go Demeter or Dionyses

Ty for the advice

[proven osprey]

Np

[empty scroll]

what are some good boons to look out for with beowulf shield?

oh wait, does beowulf shield bash not protect you while charging?

[unkempt pagoda]

it should

[empty scroll]

okay, I was concerned because the animation is different

instead of holding the shield in front of him, it's kind of to the side

[unkempt pagoda]

anyone remember that dark time in hades history where true shot’s only gimmick was homing and it didn’t have a crit chance

[proven osprey]

I was not born

[fossil compass]

I keep wiping on EM4 if I'm not using a cast build :/

I thought I had it with arthur with basically perfect boons combo, have extra weak potency and damage on attack, and 30% ASPD on attack

Are there any advice/build that makes EM4 easier?

[calm sandal]

What is EM4? Is it the boss of area 4?

[fossil compass]

hades, but with extremer measure

[calm sandal]

Ah

[fossil compass]

is there a special way of doing it or just git gud scrub?

[calm sandal]

I haven't done EM a ton, but what I did was I just went into the boss fight with no intention of winning and just practiced dodging attacks

[abstract island]

I know it's probably intended, but || getting doomstone spawns on em4 hades with some builds is ludicrous - https://imgur.com/a/rIaF8oC||

[willow fossil]

Lmfao yeah calls fill like candy

[graceful verge]

So

I just got the Dionysus/Artemis Duo boon

wow

Really good

I got it on a piercing aspect of hestia gun

[abstract island]

I mean it's not even call, it's just a modest amount of glacial glare casts D:

[graceful verge]

Eh Artemis's call is really good anyway

[willow fossil]

I mean like

With all the doomstones, you can fill your call extremely quick

Like

Godspeed

[abstract island]

oh, yeah, definitely

[graceful verge]

Flurry Fire or Spread Fire?

Definitely not delta chamber for a Hestia aspect build

[cunning urchin]

You can still reload if you take Delta chamber.

They all don't matter because they don't affect your Empowered Shot.

[graceful verge]

Does spread fire shoot multiple pellets?

[eager grail]

is delta chamber good for the gun?

[cunning urchin]

Spread Fire is just one blast; it doesn't affect your Empowered Shot at all on Hestia.

Delta Chamber is decent, yeah.

[eager grail]

triple bomb with rocket or delta chamber?

or would triple bomb replace the rocket?

[tender stirrup]

I don't think any daedalus upgrades overwrite other ones

pretty sure triple bomb works with rocket and is sick

[eager grail]

cool thanks!

[unkempt pagoda]

if a hammer would overwrite the other, chances are sgg already made them exclusive anyways

[gilded nymph]

what specials work with chiron besides artemis?

I tried dio and that was really good, anything else?

[unkempt pagoda]

i like demeter for arctic blast

[abstract island]

demeter definitely

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish + Unhealty Fixation.

[abstract island]

poseidon works too

[silk anvil]

attempting SL0 (non hell mode this time); doom on both attack and special and I am struggling :c; what a fool I was

[abstract island]

especially if you can get sea storm or either of the legendaries from zeus and poseidon

[gilded nymph]

what is unhealthy fixation?

[cunning urchin]

Tempest Flourish feels pretty bad on it tbh. Nothing really to go for there. Sea Storm only procs once.

Unhealthy Fixation is Lady Aphrodite's Legendary boon.

[gilded nymph]

also what about zeus?

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish only procs once on Chiron.

Weakest Special you could take.

[gilded nymph]

oh

dio special with aphro dio boon was nuts

[plush latch]

i just tried lambent plume

and oh my gooooooood

it feels like getting dopamine shot directly into my brain

its also hilarious with hyper sprint

what cthonic companion is best to run with zag fists plus plume?

[cunning urchin]

Whichever you like, really.

[opal lodge]

try to get rush delivery from hermes too

[warm flame]

if you give up and re-enter will it randomise your next run ?

[opal lodge]

no

[calm sandal]

I don't think so

[opal lodge]

seed resets if you win or die

[warm flame]

so if are doing a cast build for example and didnt get your cast from the first boon, sucide will reset it ?

but not giving up?

[opal lodge]

yeah

[warm flame]

i see, i tried changing heats etc didnt work, will try sucide

thanks ❤️

[abstract island]

oh ffs I finally got one of the strong boons I wanted

but I got both duos and the legendary offered at once

[lilac cairn]

Is there a recommendation for weapon choices for pierced butterfly runs? Ranged weapons seem like decent choices, but I was curious if there was one people usually used.

[abstract island]

I tend to use Exagryph's hestia aspect

since you get hilarious numbers on the snipe

[solid cairn]

Guys, I have a confession to make

[willow fossil]

[solid cairn]

...

I can’t believe I’m saying this

But I actually enjoy Achilles spear as a cast build

It took a while for it to click with me

But I love that it’s basically a melee cast hybrid

[willow fossil]

Achilles is my 2nd fav

Love it

[solid cairn]

And a little fun fact, Achilles is one of the most difficult speedrun weapons

[silk anvil]

Nothing makes me appreciate enemies hitting before their attacks go off like trying to do elysium with 7hp

[serene zealot]

Yeah I don't even understand the point of it

And how Achilles use it

[silk anvil]

Shield enemies on Nintendo Switch are having their projectile particles go mostly invisible (unless you cound a purple-tinted glow as "part of the process"); I dont think I've ever noticed this on computer, but then again, I've not had to try so hard

[serene zealot]

He probably get better control than us lol

[solid cairn]

@serene zealot the flowchart for Achilles is special buff if your buff is out, stand back if you have casts, get in and dash strike if you don’t have casts

[serene zealot]

Hmm

[solid cairn]

Casts are actually pretty unsafe to use at close range

[fossil compass]

on switch I've had this bug where the green wave on hades sometimes don't show up

[solid cairn]

Even dash striking at close range is safer than casting

[fossil compass]

and there's some other visual bugs with + damage from weapon aspects like achilles and hestia

[silk anvil]

wondahful

[fossil compass]

it's fine, when cross save comes up I'll move to PC

[warm flame]

will fated persuation give u a duop on a reroll ?

duo*

[solid cairn]

It can

But not in trial rooms

[opal lodge]

@solid cairn i know its usually zeus cast but are there any other preferred boons

splash dash?

[solid cairn]

for what

[opal lodge]

achilles speedrun

[solid cairn]

achilles speedrun is kind of weird

nobody really knows how to do it optimally

and you kind of just go with whatever

[opal lodge]

cool cool

[solid cairn]

there's nothing you specifically aim for per say

[opal lodge]

yeah seems like zeus cast is the only part i try to keep the same run to run

[solid cairn]

it's an unsolved weapon

[cunning urchin]

It's obviously Deadly Strike + Electric Shot + Lightning Rod.

[solid cairn]

ew rod

one tip I do have though, is prioritie extra casts from chaos, and don't forget about your attack

[opal lodge]

do you run stygian

[solid cairn]

if you dont scale your attack alongside your cast your time will suffer

nah, speedruns use infernal

[silk anvil]

Petition to make Asterius trace the outline of his attack too; I'm tired of being clipped at the edge of it even though the purple swipe isn't on me :c

[solid cairn]

also prioritize hermes for quick reload, really helps

[opal lodge]

thanks

[silk anvil]

also prioritize hermes for quick reload, really helps
@solid cairn prepare for hemes to never give you quick reload ever

[solid cairn]

still go for it cuz flurry cast is good

[silk anvil]

he'll also never give you flurry cast

[cunning urchin]

Achilles 32 was pretty free, though. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/767086900237303828/Hades_1010.png

[solid cairn]

I mean speedruns are hard with it

[silk anvil]

you had a best time of 10 mins with speer? not bad

[cunning urchin]

Oh I didn't use High Confidence. I should redo it.

[solid cairn]

i think most runners use thick skin on achilles because it's that hard

[prime island]

Any specific things I need to do to unlock hidden rail aspect? I've maxed out eris, put a few levels into hestia, gotten guan yu, and talked to zuse like 14 times since then, while using the rail even and I can't get this aspect to unlock

[willow fossil]

You praise the fates

[opal lodge]

i feel like i can hit elysium on most weapons by 4 mins but lose 6 minutes igt in elysium :^)

[cunning urchin]

@prime island check pins in #h1-story-discussion.

[solid cairn]

thats pretty fast lol

sub 4 asphodel is really good

[willow fossil]

It takes me 7 mins just to get to meg 🥲

[solid cairn]

I've only gotten that a few times

[silk anvil]

yo, does Asterius in the duo-fight have a different move set than the solo-asterius?

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[opal lodge]

elysium just kind of demolishes me any tips? i know room rng is sorta bug

[silk anvil]

I'm noticing he doesn't track as he did in the solo bout; @cunning urchin

[cunning urchin]

Just they have their combo moves.

Otherwise, exact same moveset.

[silk anvil]

for instance, he would start his axe swipes and it be telegraphed pretty well, but here in the duo, he seems to like to pivot on a dime even after what I thought was "setting his path" for the double-swipe

[willow fossil]

Just the combo moves yeahthe rest is the same

[silk anvil]

yeah, that's what I would think (why code more than you have to, right?), but all these chunks of zag he's getting are proving me to be a fool :c

[willow fossil]

In em3 they dont even do combo moves

So yeah is the same fight from solo

[silk anvil]

yeah, I wouldn't know for EM3, perse; but I'm having to play super careful for this SL0 run

[cunning urchin]

SL0?

[silk anvil]

soul-level 0; or rather, just 1st escape

[cunning urchin]

We have more than enough acronyms already, don't bring any new ones into it.

[silk anvil]

It's a big bummer that I guess they lock off calls for the first run; I wouldn't mind even artemis call at this point ;~;

We have more than enough acronyms already, don't bring any new ones into it.
@cunning urchin I'd be more than happy to de-acronym everything else (I always have to pull up a chart to double check the Pacts of Punishment and boons y'all talk about)

but SL0 is gonna stay

[willow fossil]

No

[silk anvil]

I'll keep using it till it sticks

[willow fossil]

Heat 0 pls

[cunning urchin]

If it's first run, just Deflect everything Asterius does.

[silk anvil]

Heat 0 pls
@willow fossil that means an entirely different thing

[cunning urchin]

It's called "first run" already.

[silk anvil]

If it's first run, just Deflect everything Asterius does.
@cunning urchin ; does deflecting melee really do anything? I think I've actually noticed it reflect one of the Thugs attacks, which was cool because I'd never noticed it before

[willow fossil]

Whats soul level 0

[cunning urchin]

Ain't no soul level in Hades.

[tender stirrup]

well you see, Hades is the Dark Souls II of roguelike games, so...

[silk anvil]

it's maladapted terminology from Dark Souls @willow fossil , it's been applied to a lot of roguelikes to denote "the first run of a save file"

[willow fossil]

No

[cunning urchin]

Deflected melee attacks damage the enemy itself and can't harm you.

[silk anvil]

Ain't no soul level in Hades.
@cunning urchin I thought Hades was full of souls

[hoary slate]

i thought it was called fresh file

[cunning urchin]

But no soul level.

[tender stirrup]

you could say that each level of the seating in the stadium of Elysium is a soul level

[cunning urchin]

Fresh file is a different category.

[silk anvil]

Deflected melee attacks damage the enemy itself and can't harm you.
@cunning urchin cool, it's all well and good, but it's kinda hard to work this into his combo when you only have one dash

Fresh file is a different category.
@cunning urchin I would think Fresh File is synonymous with First Run

[cunning urchin]

Fresh file speedruns actually fail the first couple runs to get Darkness for the mirror and a Double Edge hammer.

Because that's faster than first run.

[hoary slate]

seems like a smart idea

[cunning urchin]

@tender stirrup no, you couldn't say that. It's illegal. 🔫

[silk anvil]

oh, well, true; if you mean "fresh file, but with the intent of not finishing in the first run of the fresh file" but that's a wordy category title, I'll give you that

[willow fossil]

So this is a darksouls server now

[silk anvil]

always has been @willow fossil

[willow fossil]

I see hades and dark souls as very different games

[silk anvil]

(you should)

[willow fossil]

Dying a lot does not make a roguelike lol

Dying being a mechanic does

I die a lot in league of legends, that does not make it a roguelike

[cunning urchin]

I pride myself in never having died in my life.

[proven osprey]

Not yet

[cunning urchin]

Doing my best to keep that up.

[proven osprey]

Yeah you don't want to speedrun that

[cunning urchin]

@proven osprey why are you threatening me?

Hulp.

[proven osprey]

Hey, I'm not haha

[willow fossil]

[proven osprey]

Nyaanyaa.

[cunning urchin]

Saying my name so ominously like that.

Scary.

[willow fossil]

[proven osprey]

I told you Nyan was better

[silk anvil]

If you think about it, Hades is the Dark Souls of isometric-Perspective Zagreus-Based Hellenic Religious Influenced Hack-n-Slash Roguelikes

[tender stirrup]

i think you mean isometric

[silk anvil]

that took too long to type up, I missed some of the tags which I'd imagine the Game Devs would use, but yeah

[cunning urchin]

I'll be more tempted to block you the more you call me that.

[silk anvil]

i think you mean isometric
@tender stirrup you're probably right, I am but a full

I'll be more tempted to block you the more you call me that.
@cunning urchin it's that easy?

[proven osprey]

Who's saying things ominously now ?

[cunning urchin]

(I'm not joking. )

[proven osprey]

Oh.

[silk anvil]

Greeks know the importance of names; without a name, you are Nohbody

[cunning urchin]

Imagine thinking there was a name that's better than Nyaanyaa.

Smh.

[silk anvil]

Imagine thinking there was a name that's better than Nyaanyaa.
@cunning urchin my money is on Mewmew

[proven osprey]

Yeah, imagine

[cunning urchin]

Mewmew is close, I'll give you that.

[silk anvil]

also, I'd like to file a complaint, I deflect asterius's melee and he doesn't take damage ;-;

For what it's worth, maybe you -- in the spirit of yourself -- were telling me to git gud and kill asterius with 30 damage dashes entirely

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Deflecting Asterius somehow doesn't work as expected. Not sure why.

But you're not taking any damage.

You can just Deflect everything he does.

[proven osprey]

Well

You could kill him with your classic cast only

You'll get gud as you wish

[cunning urchin]

Just do it boonless.

[robust anchor]

hades has special boonless dialogue

[cunning urchin]

It's git not get. Smh.

[robust anchor]

u guys should try getting it peepohappy

[proven osprey]

Excuse me, Nyaanyaa

Yes that's what I wanna see

More peepohappy

[silk anvil]

u guys should try getting it peepohappy
@robust anchor it seems fairly reasonable to do this, just need one of the blood money fountains at the end

[proven osprey]

Peepo has the power to save the world

[cunning urchin]

I think I've done the first boonless run on the server here. And @main osprey has done a lot since. There was no special dialogue back then, though.

[silk anvil]

I think I've done the first boonless run on the server here. And @main osprey has done a lot since. There was no special dialogue back then, though.
@cunning urchin boonless and mirrorless? or just the boonless

(I'm sure both by this point)

[cunning urchin]

I've done both but not at the same time.

[robust anchor]

he will ||sniff you||

[proven osprey]

Boonless hmm

[cunning urchin]

I did mirrorless 33 Heat lol.

[silk anvil]

still upset they wont let you do 63 heat hell mode first run

[proven osprey]

Arthur, sisyphus Keepsake, health all the way

[silk anvil]

though I'm going to be real, that added heat modifier on hell mode... doesn't seem to do all that much... I still get chunked 0.1seconds after taking damage from one source just as well with as I do without

[proven osprey]

There you go, boonless

[cunning urchin]

lol Shackle gave only extra Trap Damage back then.

[silk anvil]

lol Shackle gave only extra Trap Damage back then.
@cunning urchin we don't talk about that

[proven osprey]

Was not born

[cunning urchin]

I wouldn't count it if you use Shackle.

[proven osprey]

I was sure about that haha

[cunning urchin]

Trap Damage was actually nice in Elysium.

[proven osprey]

Zag bow, Than keepsake

[silk anvil]

Trap Damage was actually nice in Elysium.
@cunning urchin its true, it does have it's uses; I just wouldn't consider it worth giving up any of the other trinkets unless you were meming

[cunning urchin]

Nah, we actually started looking into it for high heat to help with TD just before they changed it.

[silk anvil]

I like the idea of consistently baiting enemies into the traps, but sometimes, they just refuse to be pushed around 😢

[proven osprey]

Kirby is on fire with reactions

[silk anvil]

I do appreciate a good shade who knows how to dodge thought

[cunning urchin]

Things were different then. Bruiser was still by far the worst perk. Etc.

[silk anvil]

Kirby is on fire with reactions
@proven osprey tbh, I'm surprised more people don't react; it's a habit I picked up (somewhere) along the way, and now my friends joke they know when I am catching up in chats because they see a wave of reacts pushing down the chat

[cunning urchin]

Dark Foresight wasn't a thing. Dark Foresight makes high heat so much easier now.

[proven osprey]

I do that a lot too my dear Kirby

[main osprey]

Why was I pinged?

[silk anvil]

Why was I pinged?
@main osprey .. were you pinged? ah, you were

[main osprey]

Ah, boonless

Yes I've done boonless, not at the same time as mirrorless (yet)

[proven osprey]

Boonless run god

[main osprey]

Been very busy past couple weeks so haven't had time to play

Bai~ for now, running a d&d session in 45 minutes and I'm not done prepping

[cunning urchin]

And you gotta keep in mind that all the meta now was still being discovered by us then. 32 was high and there were 5 people who did any 40+ at all lol.

[proven osprey]

Bye !

[cunning urchin]

40+ then seemed like 50+ does now.

@main osprey farewell!

[silk anvil]

Bai~ for now, running a d&d session in 45 minutes and I'm not done prepping
@main osprey yo legit, have fun, and throw some D&D 1e rats at em for the party wipe

And you gotta keep in mind that all the meta now was still being discovered by us then. 32 was high and there were 5 people who did any 40+ at all lol.
@cunning urchin I can't wait for the meta to be something very silly that somehow hasn't been discovered yet

similar to how you could beat extreme difficulty AI on Super Smash Brothers by just standing still as Luigi

[cunning urchin]

Lol

Speaking of that, Asterius is trash at hitting you if you don't move.

[silk anvil]

Speaking of that, Asterius is trash at hitting you if you don't move.
@cunning urchin lmao, i noticed that. He stood still and looked at me for a good bit when I was waiting for him to attack

[cunning urchin]

I don't mean that, I mean his attacks just keep whiffing lol.

His slam in particular.

[silk anvil]

I was too afraid to stand still once he started swinging :c

[proven osprey]

When you move Asterius is a sniper

Man these angles he's able to get

Amazing

[cunning urchin]

If you ever tried to suicide for SD against him, you'll know what I mean lol.

[silk anvil]

needing to suicide for SD against him
in my case I'm sure I can more often say I've already blown the chance, lmao

[open lynx]

this is random but I was just curious, did zag use to just randomly shout the names of the olympians in earlier builds?

[silk anvil]

I was coaching a friend on that strategy after learning it from yall, he finished a fight in Asphodel and forgot he'd already blown a DD; good times. I wonder how many people forget to check if they can go for the refresh before accidentally ending their run

this is random but I was just curious, did zag use to just randomly shout the names of the olympians in earlier builds?
@open lynx I cannot recall such an event; (if you mean just out-of-the-blue during normal combat as if he was using a call, but with no call)

[proven osprey]

Yeah pretty advanced strategy

[open lynx]

Alrighty cool! Was asking for a friend who was curious about that but isn't in the server

but yeah I mean in combat

[silk anvil]

Alrighty cool! Was asking for a friend who was curious about that but isn't in the server
@open lynx there may be a pre-alpha tester who could say otherwise, but yeh, I'm sorry to Berenstein Bears your friend if their memory says otherwise

[proven osprey]

That would be funny

Athena ! Athena ! Aphrodite !

[silk anvil]

Zagreus as an Anime Character ^

anyway, I best be off, gotta work on my Chef shade cosplay

[proven osprey]

Adios

[open lynx]

Rad!

[willow fossil]

Omg I'd love to see a chef shade cosplay

[proven osprey]

Painting, hat, there you go

[turbid needle]

Zag's already got anime hair.

[willow fossil]

Everyone got anime hair

Hades even go anime beard

[dry ember]

Hades even go anime beard
It's actually a stache

look closely

[willow fossil]

[tranquil violet]

Hades is actually anime Karl Marx

Look closely

[frail venture]

is aspect of achilles for casts mainly?

[worn crypt]

it's very good for casts but doesn't have to be

[willow fossil]

Does benefits package affect the mini bosses em4 summons?

[worn crypt]

you mean middle management? no

[willow fossil]

Middle management only works in mini bosses encounters so yeah that one doesnt

But benefits package affect armored foes, and they are armored

[hollow shadow]

what weapon aspects favor building crit?

besides the nemesis aspect

ive heard that weapons that deal a lot of damage in single shots like hestia aspect and bow should do crit

but doesn't crit scale with small numbers and big numbers equally

[willow fossil]

More or less yeah, crit is more dmg

It fits anywhere

[solid cairn]

why is rama so difficult

[hollow shadow]

also does anything deal damage to me after all the foes are dead, besides pots and lava?

[willow fossil]

Maybe bombs

[worn crypt]

Bombs don't

assuming you mean from enemies

[half crater]

Does benefits package affect the mini bosses em4 summons?
@willow fossil it does not

BP doesn’t usually effect minibosses anyway

They do teleport around ofc but that’s because they have Dad’s darkness ability, it’s not from BP/MM

[rugged wave]

how good is dino fists?

om attack?

[turbid needle]

Having trouble reading Hades' spin telegraph

It seems like the white circle on screen isn't actually where it ends up swinging

Does he take a step forward or something? It's just telegraphed differently than the rest of the game's moves

[willow fossil]

yes

the circle is to tell you hes going to spin, after that he quickly dashes forward

[turbid needle]

Don't love it TBH, it gives a false sense of security?

Might as well not put the circle

[willow fossil]

?

you get used to it after a few fights

[turbid needle]

Got up there maybe 15 times with 5 wins and it still throws me off. I think the issue is it acts different than every other windup in the game.

[north kernel]

Is the hera aspect + cold embrace interaction fixed now, or does it still work?

[stark ore]

God's Legacy is busted, Hermes keeps giving me Greater Recall and I just keep selling it

[rugged wave]

is concentrated beam on lucifer any good?

[gusty parcel]

Not great imo.

[unkempt pagoda]

it's okay

[gusty parcel]

You usually have better ptions.

[unkempt pagoda]

but if you're going lightning strike (which is like, 90% of the time), it does nothing for you

[rugged wave]

so eternal chamber is always better

[unkempt pagoda]

eternal is eh as well but it's better for lightning strike, yes

(but they're all eh purely because lucy itself is eh, flash fire is probably its best hammer)

[sweet blade]

at what rate are the bows special arrows released?

[cosmic knoll]

Anyone got any fun build ideas for Gilgamesh fists I could try?

[rugged wave]

heart rend

[half crater]

pretty sure objectively the funnest gilg build is splash dash with sea storm and 8 dashes

don’t use special, don’t use attack

only splash

[willow fossil]

[cosmic knoll]

Lol wouldn't that work with any weapon?

[stark ore]

Splash Slap & Hunter Dash is pretty fun imo

[half crater]

you can’t get 8 dashes with any weapon

[rugged wave]

u get more dashes from gilg

[cosmic knoll]

Ohhh right

I wouldnt know i just got it

[half crater]

Probably the best build with gilg is ares attack + athena special and dash -> merciful end

but splash dashing with a million dashes is just hilarious

[stark ore]

Wouldn't it be better with regular fists since you get more attacks in though?

[cosmic knoll]

Okay im going splash dash

[stark ore]

Should just be more doom bursts

[half crater]

merciful end?

you use dash to proc

but honestly yeah it probably is better with any other fists

doesn’t mean it isn’t also the best for gilg

[stark ore]

I unironically like Tempest Strike with Gilga, though Divine Strike is prob busted

[unkempt pagoda]

gil? busted?

[stark ore]

[half crater]

wym just look at all those dashes; that can’t possibly be balanced

[stark ore]

Even if it's not busted it's fun as hell

[half crater]

dash to win

[stark ore]

Divine Dash now gives you a better Athena call

[cosmic knoll]

Okay this is pretty funny

Breaking wave or razor shoals btw?

[stark ore]

Imo Breaking Wave

[cosmic knoll]

Bet

[stark ore]

Oh damn nvm ME with Gilga is busted

[half crater]

merciful end gets it done

[stark ore]

Alright, what are the best boons for Hestia?

[gusty parcel]

Damage.

% damage.

[stark ore]

Don't know whether to take Deadly or Heartbreak Strike

[rugged wave]

whatever u do dont do the posideon demeter duo

[gusty parcel]

I prefer heartbreak myself. Deadly is nice when it crits but Heartbreak is more reliable.

And the base % on deadly is just so low.

[rugged wave]

I did it cuz I thought it would be swag and got wrecked

[gusty parcel]

Isn't posideon/demeter the cast duo?

[rugged wave]

yeah

it doesnt work though since it has to go past them

and kinda just keeps going

it was my first time taking it and it ruined my run

[half crater]

it can be a bit annoying, yeah

but the damage is ludicrous if things line up right

[rugged wave]

thing was I took it on hera

[half crater]

ah

never done that, but i can see how that would be a problem

[rugged wave]

whats the best lucifer special?

[gusty parcel]

Triple bomb.

As far as boons though, everything kinda works.

I like demeter the most just because it works decently and has a good duo with Zeus.

[solid cairn]

I feel like poseidon cast synergizes super well with Achilles spear

Achilles buff helps poseidon cast scale way better

[half crater]

every cast synergises well with achilles

that’s what achilles does

[robust anchor]

twin shot and serrated pint buff peepohappy

i love twin shot

[ruby tundra]

If I'm going for super defensive, is Aspect of Arthur or Shield better? And is it more effective to go for deflection, weakness, damage reduction, or dodge?

So many variables

[solid cairn]

@ruby tundra you can’t really compare them

[ruby tundra]

Since the damage reduction is multiplicative, it almost seems like Arthur allowing for a baseline 40% is good

Oh?

[solid cairn]

They work in different ways

[ruby tundra]

I mean, they do, but in general, what tends to be the go-to for "I wanna tanks"

?\

[solid cairn]

Though block is an incredibly powerful mechanic

Arthur is probably more fun

[ruby tundra]

I had a build with Arthur and double special with deflect on it and that was amusing

and dash deflect

[half crater]

for pure defense, it’s really hard to beat chaos aspect shield

[ruby tundra]

But I still ended up taking a ton of damage. Maybe I'm just bad ahaha

[solid cairn]

On Arthur you want backstab hammer

[ruby tundra]

ohhhh

[solid cairn]

Honestly the only hammer I think is all that impactful on Arthur is the Arthur exclusive one and shadow slash

[ruby tundra]

How's Aspect of Beowulf? I'm having trouble making Chaos shield really work for me

[half crater]

are we still talking defensively, or just generally?

[solid cairn]

Beowulf takes a while to get used to

[ruby tundra]

I'm really liking claws on fists, but I think I have to rebind my controller keys to put dash on like, the shoulder button or something

[half crater]

beowulf is amazing, probably the “best” shield

[ruby tundra]

Defensively-ish I guess

[solid cairn]

beowulf is amazing, probably the “best” shield
I think chaos is better

[half crater]

but it’s definitely less defensive than chaos

[solid cairn]

But that’s because I really don’t know how to use it lol

[half crater]

chaos has a trade off wherein it’s exceptionally safe, but doesn’t deal much damage

[ruby tundra]

Why is it less defensive? Chaos tosses shield out and leaves you vulnerable, right?

Beowulf you can just pump casts into the shield and bullrush around

[half crater]

beo is a fair amount less safe, but can chew through enemies even without too many boons

[ruby tundra]

And it can get sturdy, too

[half crater]

chaos has more range, and the bull rush charges much faster

[harsh pasture]

Beowulf seems like it really needs extra cast stones

[half crater]

the bull rush is amazing for safe movement

[ruby tundra]

Also, I'm annoyed that it seems like Chaos extra shields don't have the extra effects from stuff

hmm

[solid cairn]

Every cast aspect really wants extra casts

[half crater]

also beo hits you with a +10% damage taken, so there’s that ofc

beo really wants extra casts for sure

[solid cairn]

I forgot it does that lol

The damage taken

[ruby tundra]

I'm thinking that Lucifer is still legit just a Demeter build in hiding haha

[half crater]

you don’t need them tho; i’ve had pretty great runs without them

[solid cairn]

So I am trying to get good with rama

Getting a bit better with power shots, but it’s a bit hard to stay safe while charging them

[ruby tundra]

yeah

[solid cairn]

And I am pretty good lmao

[half crater]

Also, I'm annoyed that it seems like Chaos extra shields don't have the extra effects from stuff
@ruby tundra they do?

[solid cairn]

But only at a few things

[stark ore]

guysguysguys I just discovered something busted

[half crater]

for lightning there’s an ICD which you hit if you shotgun all your shields into someone

[ruby tundra]

Like, my Chaos shield was only doing weaken on the main shield

[stark ore]

Use Aphro's call against EM3 Asterius, his spin attack wrecks Theseus

God this is busted

[solid cairn]

That shouldn’t be true

This is known

[half crater]

^

[stark ore]

[ruby tundra]

What do you mean by "this is known"?

[half crater]

getting asterius to kill theseus is a classic strat

[solid cairn]

Another thing people probably know, using charm will completely stop a boss attack animation

[half crater]

your other shields should be inflicting weak

if they weren’t, that’s a bug

[ruby tundra]

Hmmm

Oh man, Switch missing out on some patch stuff?

[stark ore]

Yep, still waiting for Chaos theme

[willow fossil]

gotta remember we're not talking about riot games or ea where are there god knows how many people working

16 people afaik

which also have a life

[stark ore]

Honestly I'm just glad they're pumping out balance changes relatively fast, sure it sucks a bit having to wait but god knows I've got a ton of stuff to do before the game gets stale

[willow fossil]

correct

[ruby tundra]

Oh, at this point it's just waiting for Nintendo cert

[turbid needle]

The updates are pretty frequent for an indie company

[willow fossil]

yep

[ruby tundra]

Ohhhh. I bet the cross-save delay is likely due to Switch cert delays

[stark ore]

From what I've seen major balance change updates from indie devs take 3 weeks to a month to go out, though it does of course vary based on tons of elements

[ruby tundra]

Dango

This game is... man. It's becoming such a problem that I need to lock up my Switch controllers in a timed safe during the day so I can get work done haha. Instead of trying new builds >_>;

[willow fossil]

relatable

[half crater]

i would be so much more productive if i could practically do that with my PC

[tranquil violet]

@ruby tundra oh that's a good idea

I should get a timed safe

Just one more run first...

[ruby tundra]

https://www.thekitchensafe.com/ what I got - literally has helped me so much

[lone lava]

Does PS affect call damage? (wondering why my aphro greater call did ~3900 or something damage)

Also had splitting headache

[unkempt pagoda]

PS is global i believe

though that only gets aphro call to 3500 i think

[gusty parcel]

How do people feel about Flying Cutter on fists? That's the one that lets you charge the special. I've been trying it for a couple runs but it just controls very weirdly to me.

[unkempt pagoda]

the important part is that it doesn't affect dash upper, so if you accidentally dash before trying to use flying cutter, you'll just dash upper in place

[gusty parcel]

It not affecting the dash upper is definitely part of the weirdness, but it also makes the dash wonky for a bit as well. If you hit an enemy and dash sometimes the momentum feels different.

Might just not be used to it though.

[spare scaffold]

gonna try the Rama again, won with it the first time I used it but I'm looking into a build with more synergy this time, which god do I want

[mighty ermine]

rama doesn't actually need much in terms of synergy between gods. the attack ideally wants deadly strike, or heartbreak strike. special is best paired with zeus, dio, ares on its own because the base damage is so tiny, but can also go heartbreak flourish with a deadly strike to fish for heart rend

[spare scaffold]

I see, thank you

[north carbon]

Hey I was wondering if anyone has any tips or tricks on how to beat a run faster? My record is 16:46 but I wanna try to get the “hermes would be jealous” victory title haha

My fastest runs are usually with the Talos fists

[willow fossil]

the usual speedrunning loadout

eris

zeus

9 heat

and such

[north carbon]

Dam that’s a big coincidence cause 9 is my next heat to beat on the rail 😂 which heat aspects do you use? I usually do EM3 (before 10 heat), middle management, timer x1 or 2, damage control if I’m running Chiron or rail

[willow fossil]

the usual speedrunning is em2 and forced overtime afaik

[north carbon]

Ohh okie doke

Thank you idk anything about speed running other than watching Haelian

[tranquil violet]

Anyone else just really not enjoy the Aphro/Demeter duo?

I just find it really awkward and not fun

[north carbon]

Which one is that?

[tranquil violet]

The one that makes the beams always focus on you

[mossy light]

its... yeah

[north carbon]

Ohhh yea that one is really weird

I only got it for the prophecy and I purged it asap

[tranquil violet]

The damage boost is nice but it just doesn't work with most weapons

[mossy light]

i mean it makes sense, but its a pain to have all 3 trained on you

[unkempt pagoda]

it's free 435 gold

[north carbon]

Hahaha

[tranquil violet]

If it did something like auto-focus on the last enemy you inflicted weak on it would be amazing

But focusing on your self is awkward

Doesn't fit the patterns of most weapons

[north carbon]

Ohh that’s a cool idea

[tranquil violet]

And for the weapons it fits I wouldn't be building cast anyways

[north carbon]

I tend to dash spam too much for it to have been effective at all

[tranquil violet]

I tried to build it with Achilles spear because the spear dash makes it easy to get behind enemies but eh

It just doesn't feel good

Artemis/Demeter duo otoh

[north carbon]

It’s a really weird one

Artemis Demeter 🤤

[tranquil violet]

Artemis/Demeter lets your dreams be beams be memes

With Stygian Soul and the Glacial whatever Demeter boon and an extra cast from Chaos

Oh baby

Lasers for days

[mossy light]

whats your favorite shield aspect and why is it zeus

[north carbon]

I just had a run where I had Artemis/Dionysus and Artemis/Aphro and watching those crits was TASTY

[tranquil violet]

@mossy light Zeus is fun. I have only cleared once with it.

But it is amusing

[north carbon]

My favorite shield aspect is none of them ❤️

[tranquil violet]

My favorite shield aspect is Guan Yu or any of the Bow aspects

[north carbon]

Haha jk jk I just tend to not like the shield very much

Hahahahaha

[tranquil violet]

Beowulf is fun

With the right build it's pretty amusing

[north carbon]

If I run shield I run Beowulf for sure

[tranquil violet]

Minotaur Dash hammer

[north carbon]

I got Ares cast on it once and it was uhhhh

[tranquil violet]

And the one that makes your charge attack a projectile

[north carbon]

Crazy

[tranquil violet]

And then Aphro cast

[north carbon]

Omg

[tranquil violet]

Point, aim, BOOM

Feels like Sea Storm Guan Yu

[mossy light]

fists are probably my least favorite weapon

[north carbon]

@mossy light 😭

[mossy light]

i use them clunky

though i do worst with the 4th sword and achilles

[north carbon]

I only don’t like fists in Asphodel cause I have a habit of standing in ✨lava✨

[tranquil violet]

Achilles is great though

And Arthur is also great

[north carbon]

Arthur is pretty fun, I can’t wait to max it out

[tranquil violet]

Fun fact: Arthur's aura disables lava

And most traps

[north carbon]

uM

Excuse me while I go run 63 heat with Arthur then

[mossy light]

@tranquil violet my problem is that i keep trying to use it and get interrupted and lose a tonna life

[tranquil violet]

You can legit just stand on lava if you've cast aura

Doesn't do anything

[north carbon]

That is so good to know for EM Hydra

[tranquil violet]

And it also disables any pressure plates or the mechanical statues in Elysium

[north carbon]

Brooo

[tranquil violet]

Idk if it works on Styx rat poison

But if it does

[north carbon]

That’s broken I love it

[tranquil violet]

Eh It's not that useful

But it has its situational uses

Besides the traps in Styx are except for the poison gas mostly helpful

[north carbon]

Like EM Hydra where I die cause I like standing in ✨lava✨

[tranquil violet]

The rotating blades are great when you have Athena anything

boing

600

[north carbon]

Hahaha I love it so much

[tranquil violet]

And the ceiling blades in Styx don't hit you as long as you stand on the plate itself

They're mostly just useful for killing enemies

[north carbon]

The wackiest run I had was rail and I was like “I’m gonna resist the urge to get athena dash and try like attack or something” so I put it on attack and in the witch’s circle later I just fired them down and deflected everything it was amazing

[tranquil violet]

I also love the areas in Elysium with long corridors of the purple arrows

Enemies love walking into those

You can't shoot me with bullets!

I'll shoot your bullets!

And now they're my bullets!

[north carbon]

Omg I love when you walk over to an armored foe in Elysium but he already walked into an arrow so you don’t have to deal with the armor 😌

Hahahahahaha

Athena really said “no❤️”

[mossy light]

blasted sweet nectar duo boon, selling that crap for titan blood

[willow fossil]

https://imgur.com/a/oWGu5HT

this has to be a guaranteed shop right?

what else in the blue laurel cant be rerolled

[royal helm]

Does Achilles spear increase the entire damage of an Ares cast? Or just 4 ticks?

[stark ore]

The entire cast

With Hunting Blades it's

Mainly because Slicing Shot can't get stuck in enemies

[untold vortex]

it could be an npc room also

[stark ore]

Either way it's probably good

Tbh hidden rewards are the absolute worst debuff Chaos has

I could get a boon that gives all my moves +500% damage but if it has hidden rewards I'm skipping it

[willow fossil]

npcs are gold laurel no?

[untold vortex]

both

[willow fossil]

ah ok

crap i mightve missed sisyphus then

rip

[stark ore]

Wait what are blue are gold laurels?

[willow fossil]

the laurel around the reward

for the tiers

[stark ore]

[willow fossil]

blue laurels are the currency rooms

[stark ore]

Never noticed that

[willow fossil]

like keys, nectar, gems and darkness

golden laurels are boons and suchs

obols, pom

centaur hearts

[stark ore]

Guess hidden rewards aren't as bad then

[untold vortex]

hearts, obols, poms, boons, hammers

[willow fossil]

well you dont get blue and golden together

is either or

so yes is bad

[neat bloom]

I hate hidden rewards

But imo

[untold vortex]

it's really a low impact curse in most situations

imo

[neat bloom]

Whenever the boon ill get is good enogu

[untold vortex]

I'd take it over most

[neat bloom]

Enough*

It aint too shabby

[willow fossil]

i run ap so i didnt have a choice

[neat bloom]

Oof

[ancient furnace]

missing sisyphus aint so bad but eury...

[barren otter]

Chaos' Enshrouded curse can be basically free if you get it before the final shop/free reward room, since it counts down every chamber and the rooms go like this: shop/free reward -> boss room -> biome end room -> first room of a new biome, the curse will expire by the time you enter the second room of the new biome.

[median lintel]

whats the best way to get duo boons?

[cunning urchin]

Refreshing Nectar, Yarn of Ariadne, god keepsake, miniboss chamber, Favor boons from Master Chaos, Fated Persuasion for rerolls, and have boons in all your priority slots (Attack, Special, Cast, Dash).

[ancient furnace]

each duo has specific prereqs so you gotta find those and use the talents

[cunning urchin]

Oh, and God's Legacy.

Yeah, you'll need to have the required boons.

But otherwise, those are all the ways you can increase your odds.

[spare scaffold]

How high can I get God's Legacy to go, 10%?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, +10%.

[spare scaffold]

[stark ore]

If you're gonna go God's Legacy you gotta run Fated Persuasion, it's come in clutch a ton personally

[ancient furnace]

does FP keep the rarities rolled?

[stark ore]

If you mean stuff like elite boon rewards then yes. I've been able to roll the same boon with a different rarity too

[onyx iron]

ye

I've rerolled for better Doom rarity several times

[stark ore]

I really need to use Aphro's call more, at first I thought charm was basically useless but in fights like EM3 it's busted

[median lintel]

can thesues and asterius actually fight each other?

[onyx iron]

it can interrupt boss attacks

which is very nice

[stark ore]

If you charm Asterius while he's doing spin-to-win Theseus gets obliterated

[median lintel]

god i would die to see that happen

[stark ore]

Think I got a clip or two

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723559673004949564/769827392994410526/CharmOP.mp4

[onyx iron]

haha that's awesome

[stark ore]

Just realized all of those hits were crits

[onyx iron]

didn't realize it lasted that long

maybe it was buffed?

[stark ore]

With the spin the charm lasts until the move ends

[onyx iron]

ahh

[stark ore]

Otherwise it's short, good with Smoldering Air as a panic button

(Though you should be taking Athena for Smoldering Air anyway)

[onyx iron]

yea, I rarely take the call actually, but with aphro's legendary you can definitely notice it screwing with any boss's windups

[cunning urchin]

Yup, EM Asterius just one-shot EM Theseus immediately after Theseus phased.

Go for Smoldering Air if you have Aphrodite's Aid.

[stark ore]

Can confirm, Asterius did indeed one-shot Theseus

[onyx iron]

fantastic

lol

[cunning urchin]

Giant Rats in the Temple of Styx will also one-shot everything.

[stark ore]

Looks like I'm ditching Artemis' Aid

Just sucks that the one run I manage to cheese EM3 with charm was also the run I tried doing a Hestia sniper build

AKA my worst weapon

[cunning urchin]

Chariots are also much nicer when they're on your side.

[median lintel]

Artemis Aid is able to melt boss health bars if theyre all crits

otherwise its still okay

just nowhere near as good as some others

[onyx iron]

I had a similar rail build like in that clip, was doing great, nabbed aprho/art duo, pommed up attack, everything... and then, for whatever reason, got to em4 final boss and the crits just... stopped. The crit rolls just failed me lol. Probably the most frustrating defeats I've had.

was so confident going into it to

[stark ore]

Glad I took Pressure Points while it lasted, tbh the only reason my run went so badly (aside from EM3) was because I tried to be a chad and fight Charon in Tartarus

[onyx iron]

ahh yea

[stark ore]

Needless to say it didn't go very hot

[onyx iron]

my reasoning for that alot of times is "Ok, I'll prolly just lose one death defiance"

then come out of it with 0

and 30 HP

[stark ore]

Then I took a Kiss of Styx Premium (only missing 1 DD) from Patroclus and lost it the next room

That's why you take Hydralite Gold kids

[onyx iron]

lol oof

[stark ore]

Brain must not have been working that run lmao

[onyx iron]

took me a long time to get used to fighting charon, since you really only get to once every 4 runs it seems

[stark ore]

Usually my best fights with him are the dedicated runs like full cast or full tank

The sweep attack is busted though

[onyx iron]

lol yup

[stark ore]

Fast(ish), good damage, busted range

A fighting game character would kill to have that move

[onyx iron]

I remember the first time he hit me with it, I was stunned irl