Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. I know it's possible, I'm sure I can do it, etc.
#h1-builds-and-combat
untold iris
i think there are two main ways to go
you either buff enemy durability and turn off timer or make it 9 min
or you take 7 min timer and try to avoid buffing enemy durability
5 min timer I would always avoid unless you're really pro at the game
deep dome
I suspect that -2 Approval Process is the wrong choice.
full meteor
im think you dont take the plus speed for hades spear
untold iris
I did -2 approval process for my 32
but you crutch really hard on shackle for the early game
and have to try and rng into a boon that gives you the attack boost you want
deep dome
I think I'll probably clear it with approval process -2 with bow
but I'd love to clear it on my terms
I guess that's lost already by coming here.
Thank you all for your time ❤️
untold iris
you can definitely do it with spear
full meteor
can you clear extreme measure 4 ?
untold iris
i think every weapon is perfectly viable at 32
deep dome
I can clear EM4 with good rolls on the elites.
I do too.
It's a gitgud problem for sure.
untold iris
part of it is finding the heat that synergizes with your playstyle as well
I didnt clear 32 until I turned off some of the "recommended" heat and turned on other stuff
deep dome
Oh I haven't read anything recommended.
Ohhkay Proxy.
I said I was a good dashy-speedy-Hermes-Trinket SunovaGun
I definitely take too much damage.
untold iris
Ohhkay Proxy.
@deep dome you're talking to a bot
deep dome
I know, darling, I know.
Bots have feelings too.
But I get it. This is purely for clinical discussion. Thank you for your time.
glacial delta
Any suggestions on boons to take with varatha, aspect of guan yu?
tawdry sleet
is Athena attack / Ares dash / Artemis special + Merciful End a good build to aim for on Dem fists?
opal lodge
indeed
but
you need athena special
or athena attack
wait
that builds all wrong jk lol
you usually want ares attack athena special and dash for ME on dem fists
ares attack usually goes first since you have some damage and then go for special to qualify for ME
dash is the thing that sends ME over the top
tawdry sleet
Any other recs for the attack / special? alternate build wise
dash is the thing that sends ME over the top
@opal lodge That makes sense
opal lodge
mmm i usually like to try to get deadly reversal in addition to ME but im boring so i dont really branch out
zeus attack seems good
tawdry sleet
Paired with Dion dash + cast for Scintillating Feast maybe?
opal lodge
i dont really cast at all on fists but again i am a boring person lol
tawdry sleet
I only mention because I checked wiki and that's one of the possible reqs
opal lodge
i feel like with each weapon i like to just be doing whatever that weapon does best
for fists it isnt casting so i dont cast
tawdry sleet
Yeah I wouldn't use it, just one of the boons that allows for the duo to show
bright sandal
Is there even a use for bonus dash charges past +1 outside of dash builds? At that point it seems excessive
opal lodge
its a nice bonus for ME fists since your dash is what activates the doom
more dashes = more doom
ebon pike
i just got the true ending but still never learned how to get my 4th aspects
how do i do that?
opal lodge
theres a pinned item in the #h1-story-discussion channel i think
its the endgame faq one iirc
opal lodge
no i think its spend titan blood on any 5 different things
ebon pike
i unlocked one aspect from each already
opal lodge
just do a couple runs and then maybe talk to achilles?
he should have an exclamation mark
other than that idk
ebon pike
maybe they dont talk about it after a hades kill idk
ebon pike
maybe its because it was my 10th run so it doesnt count
gloomy ivy
It takes a while sometimes. I got Spear hidden aspect pretty quickly but I got to like heat 10 on some weapons before getting Exagryph’s.
ebon pike
i feel like i ignored so much of this games content lol
finished my 10th run on attempt 23
willow fossil
Thats not so bad
quaint warren
How would I go about maximizing a dot build with dio?
full meteor
quick weapon with ares duo
gilded nymph
worn crypt
Aphrodite duo lets you stack up to 8 on weak enemies, ares duo makes hangover tick faster. Go for those two.
Chiron is still great. Before the nerf it was completely busted. All the bows except Zag are fantastic imo, even Zag is fine
wicked horizon
Hidden is kinda awkward but high output if you can manage it
I usually go aphro shot on hera
full meteor
hera athenas is very good
wicked horizon
Dio shot squanders the fast drop perk
But has high base damage for sure
Does anyone know if the rend damage on hidden fists counts as special damage? I assume not bc that seems busted but figured I'd check
Zagreus bow is honestly underrated, crit chance is super good and being able to crit while taking a non artemis attack boon is clutch
Or grab artemis and have a huge crit chance
primal hazel
Anyone got a fun zeus shield build?
quaint warren
Anyone got a fun zeus shield build?
@primal hazel I like getting Ares on special, Athena on attack and their duo
primal hazel
Oh regular me huh
wicked horizon
Zeus on special with second bolt and the legendary boon is stupid good
With explosive catch you can spam special next to them for repeated procs while still attacking
indigo bay
I got 3/4 of the way through the 2nd part of Hades, and he got me. Closest I've gotten, and had a kinda weird build.
primal hazel
Sounds fun!
indigo bay
Fists of talos, weak on attack, Poseidon on special and then other random stuff from demeter and aries. I was just throwing everything and the walls and they were exploding hehe.
By the end in Styx I was one and two hitting everything, but it didn't help as much with hades. But it was probably the easiest time I had in Styx lol
willow fossil
Anyone got a fun zeus shield build?
@primal hazel random
primal hazel
Aaaah
opal lodge
merciful end with either athena attack ares special or vice versa
covert hatch
Is the infinite ammo hammer worth it on ||Lucifer||?
opal lodge
i find that losing damage ramp makes it nigh unusable but you could always try it and see how it feels
covert hatch
That's what I was thinking but I wasn't sure if it was a DPS loss or not
Related, does Swift Strike actually do anything for that weapon or is there a speed cap?
willow fossil
Infinite ammo sucks imo, unless you have some sick combo to make up for the dmg
tranquil violet
What're some good chiron hammers?
covert hatch
I'm helping a buddy, he has support fire and zeus attack
tranquil violet
I'm going for Artemis/Aphrodite
Piercing Volley I guess? Triple Shot seems like it would kind of hurt Chiron.
willow fossil
Extra arrows
tranquil violet
I have Flurry Shot, Piercing Volley or Triple Shot available
calm saddle
cast build with poseidon aspect is really fun
tranquil violet
calm saddle
got lucky with arty poseidon duo boon early
wicked horizon
Flurry shot is always good
unkempt pagoda
piercing volley
calm saddle
slicing shot wasnt the great cast for poseidon aspect but it still worked out
wicked horizon
Piercing volley is decent on chiron too
tranquil violet
Yeah I'm thinking piercing volley to deal with armored enemies mainly
unkempt pagoda
faster killing is always good
calm saddle
def piercing volley
wicked horizon
It also lets you hit multiple guys at once if you position right
unkempt pagoda
and nothing is faster like no armor in seconds
primal hazel
Had a few fun gy special runs
Head you can also build it for dash strike (serrated point). What could I take for that? Athena/aphrodite attack?
tranquil violet
I want it but...
primal hazel
Oooh chaos attacks and dashes be poggers
tranquil violet
Chaos boons are great
calm saddle
they really are
still vigil
serrated point is high risk qwq
calm saddle
except when u get punished
daring spade
Death defiance vs stubborn defiance?
primal hazel
Def
untold iris
death defiance is better for most players
stubborn is specifically very good in high heat
cosmic jacinth
is it me or is it scary how fast ares and arte duo boon changes your run
junior harbor
it's pretty sus
cosmic jacinth
it says to me hey want your damage over time cast to become a tracking damage over time in stead of going one way click here
cosmic jacinth
damn op but yeah hunting blades like scary af
like your ares cast build is hard to win with
junior harbor
If u want a real boss killer tho..... Blizzard Shot + Mirage shot....
junior harbor
Blizz Shot + Mirage Shot has been my ez mode darkness farming for every weapon (just don't use it on hera, it's garbo with the way casts work on that bow)
cosmic jacinth
is hera bad
junior harbor
No, just the combo doesn't do full dps on hera
cosmic jacinth
ah
junior harbor
The way you want to use it, you want it to pass through the bosses and create these massive AOE fields of stacked ice-nados
hera has the projectiles start on top of them, and you lose like 65% of your dps
umbral surge
do you guys memorize the pre-req for duo boons usually or have to look it up
cosmic jacinth
well we have the boon list in codex
unkempt pagoda
sometimes the latter but usually the former
junior harbor
Most duo boons require one of the abilities (attack/cast/special/aid/dash)
covert hatch
So taking an Eris run at ||EM4||, what should I shoot for in terms of boons
junior harbor
Duo boons that effect casts, like dio + zeus/demeter, you need dio's cast and one of the abilities of the other
I had to look them up for a while, but i've memorized most by now. The main thing is just realizing they need attack/cast/dash/special/aid for the majority of them.
Ares + Athena, Merciful End, requires an ability from ares to proc doom, so either attack/special
unkempt pagoda
lightning strike, delta ricochet is one of my favorites
also like cluster + either targeting or rocket, with doom on it
hangover attack also can work, but it needs one of its duo boons to get amazing (probably just low tolerance or curse of nausea, but splitting headache works too)
junior harbor
finding 2 chaos darkness boosts in tartarus Hrnggggg
calm saddle
hey guys
is there any way to increase ur ammo capacity on lucifer aspect
without taking eternal chamber ofc
unkempt pagoda
reloading
tranquil violet
Relentless Volley literally just doubles your DPS.
Love it.
(Well, for me with but 4 arrows per special)
frigid cypress
hey guys, need some help for a noob, with the spear if i get to choose to get my technical or my attack with doom witch one is the best?
spare scaffold
Is it your first boons
umbral surge
for Chiron, do you guys take % based for both special and attack? the special is better of getting fixed number (like lightning, hangover etc)
quaint warren
Lightning isn't good on chiron because there's a slight delay between bolts
Lately I've been doing any stackable debuff or Artemis on special
worldly trellis
I just got a diamond from ocean's bounty. I had no idea that was possible
umbral surge
trying to do ||EM4|| today, with Chiron Bow, therefore the most ideal would be Artemis special, get Marked, and for Atk any % ones then?
quaint warren
Probably. Aphrodite would be a good contender for applying weak on attack
worldly trellis
My favorite chiron build is aphro attack, artemis special
go for heart rend, sweet surrender, the usual
umbral surge
for Artemis boons, which ones are the "must get"
frigid cypress
@spare scaffold yes it is
worldly trellis
I mean, hunter's mark is always great
Pressure points is nice to have
Clean kill is amazing if you already have heart rend
spare scaffold
Honestly it's up to you, I think the spear is both good on attack and special but leans towards special more, depending on how you plan out your build afterwards
worldly trellis
Support fire on chrion is nuts.
spare scaffold
Say if you are building towards Merciful End, depend on if you want to activate Doom with Athena special or Athena attack
I had a spear run with Ares attack/Athena special
For reference
Also works well against witches of all kinds with Athena special hitting them + deflecting the bullets, for example
umbral surge
@worldly trellis would u go Aprho keepsakes first or artemis first
worldly trellis
artemis
umbral surge
and basically I shouldn't give anything to attack unless I get Aphrodite right? or do you sometimes take an attack boon, then "change" when you find another one ahead?
worldly trellis
I tend to avoid taking attack boons until I find the one I want
you could take whatever and hope for a trade but thats just relying more on RNG than you need to
umbral surge
ah okay, usually I take the ||Pom Keepsakes|| first, but gonna try 1st one using artemis then 2nd taking aphrodite (if I didn't get)
worldly trellis
Might aswell check and see what you get without the keepsakes first
idk if you know about the give up trick but you can start the run and if you don't like the god you get, just give up and put on a keepsake
turbid needle
I accidentally chose triple bomb for my Exagryph (which I don't use often), is it good?
umbral surge
@turbid needle which aspect?
worldly trellis
I mean, yea
its not bad
its just 3-for-1 specials
I like it better on the hidden aspect tho
turbid needle
It feels a lot like festive fog but it's a bomb
umbral surge
amazingly I haven't got the hidden aspect, I've been talking to ||Zeus || for such long and many times with already MAXED, is there any other way?
I've unlocked all the other weapons. Is there any pre-req I might be missing?
worldly trellis
||Aspect of Lucifer. Unlock the Aspect of Guan Yu, then invest at least 5 Titan Bloods into any Rail aspects. Speak with Zeus while having Exagryph equipped at least once (he must comment about it). He should tell you more in another conversation soon after that||
you did all of that?
umbral surge
btw, my most hated weapon is the shield, which ones do you guys recommend for the aspect that is most fun?
worldly trellis
most fun shield aspect? I like the hidden one most
zeus seems fun but I havent used it much
umbral surge
@worldly trellis I did all that. I have the 2nd one maxed. Maybe I just need to use the weapon more and equip his keepsakes?
umbral surge
for speed-runs though, the 2nd one is faster or still the hidden one? for shield
i'm still at low heat so could manage any build
worldly trellis
hidden one 100%
definitely the way to go for speedruns
chaos shield got neutered in 1.0 from what I've heard
turbid needle
Is the ||extra enemies heat|| good for getting more gold?
umbral surge
ah damn, so I maxed out the wrong shield then xD
is there any way to "disenchant" titan bloods and move it to another aspect haha
onyx parcel
is there any way to "disenchant" titan bloods and move it to another aspect haha
@umbral surge nope
btw, my most hated weapon is the shield, which ones do you guys recommend for the aspect that is most fun?
@umbral surge I find chaos to be the most fun
Beo isn’t for me
umbral surge
Chaos is the blitz disc right?
onyx parcel
No chaos is the one u maxed out
worldly trellis
No, blitz disc is zeus
onyx parcel
Multiple special after bull rush
umbral surge
for that gameplay, you basically bullrush, special, repeat right
onyx parcel
Basically
Some attack here and there too
U need to aim ur special right
To shotgun enemies
worldly trellis
Beo isn’t for me
See, that's what I thought at first, but I realized my playstyle was just too slow for Beo. So I start rushing it, no pun intended.
onyx parcel
It does pretty great damage
See, that's what I thought at first, but I realized my playstyle was just too slow for Beo. So I start rushing it, no pun intended.
@worldly trellis wdym
worldly trellis
Basically just picked up a good cast and went in like a madman
worldly trellis
I dunno how you play but Im really careful about not getting hit usually
I sorta had to toss all that out the window
umbral surge
I actually love Beo but thought Chaos was better, now I'm starting to regret since I don't really like the Chaos playstyle lol
onyx parcel
You’ll get used to chaos playstyle
umbral surge
@worldly trellis that was my playstyle until I started to aim for 15-20 minutes per run
onyx parcel
Chaos is very compatible and versatile with builds
As opposed to beo
Many options for chaos and they all work well
worldly trellis
tbh chaos and beo are pretty similar in the way they rely on bull rush
onyx parcel
For beo u need specific casts and that’s it
umbral surge
which cast?
onyx parcel
Aphro, Artemis
worldly trellis
Ares cast is good on beo
junior harbor
Imo zeus aspect is best. Spiny disk goes brrrr
worldly trellis
Beo changes a lot of casts to the flare version
worldly trellis
It makes most if not all of them close ranged
onyx parcel
Very different
umbral surge
I used the duo poseidon and the one that does AOE pulse, so gg
junior harbor
The flare version is just an AOE around you.
worldly trellis
Its just that Aphro and Arti tend to be the highest dmg output
junior harbor
instead of whatever it usually is.
umbral surge
ah okay, so like the pulse from the Poseidon duo one
onyx parcel
Yep like that
umbral surge
forgot what its called
onyx parcel
Curse of drowning
junior harbor
Except for Zeus and Ares. Ares is just a massive version of it, Zeus is a single thunderbolt like his dash
If you haven't already, try out Ares cast on beowulf. idnk why the cast is so freaking massive, but it just is.
umbral surge
will try later if I have time, planning to push heat 20 Chiron first haha
dry ember
curse of drowning + eris is p good :3
spare scaffold
How do I go about using Arthur, smack the slow zone around the middle of the map or where it can catch most of the bullets then try to take it slow?
dry ember
you can continue the combo even with dash
so use dash to reposition for your combo, especially the third strike which does 200 base damage
unkempt pagoda
smack the zone down then try to dash-combo into as many backstabs as possible
the weapon ain't fast but the deaths will be
umbral surge
Arthur = Special, then just use attack everywhere else. Hammer-wise I usually prefer those that upgrade my attack
spare scaffold
I actually managed to get to Styx first time with it but lost all my DDs
Is it two thrusts - one swing
unkempt pagoda
it's 1 thrust, 2 swings, but if you dash-attack before it it'll look like a thrust
umbral surge
the 3rd one is that slow swing but heavy dmg right
tranquil violet
... crust thrust?
unkempt pagoda
the hammer for sword
spare scaffold
..Cruel Thrust?
austere shadow
What are fun casts to center builds around other than Artemis'
tranquil violet
Ares cast with Artemis (Hunting Blades)
Dionysus Cast with any of its associated duos
Poseidon Cast with razor shoals and sea storm is a bit off the beaten path but fun
tranquil violet
I'm calling it crust thrust now anyhow
unkempt pagoda
cruel thrust available on arthur would make it actually useful
unkempt pagoda
infernal soul aphro cast
still vigil
on that note, it'd be nice to have long knuckle show up on gilgamesh
unkempt pagoda
or, apparently, stygian soul dio cast (but i don't like it as much on beo than on say, hera)
lost merlin
ty
unkempt pagoda
or, just take advantage of its chunky base special damage and go charged flight + aphro or artemis special
basically what i did for my 32 heat shield run (though this is before charged flight's nerf, it's still quite good at +200% base damage)
tranquil violet
First beo run I did I had Aphrodite cast, charged shot, and minotaur rush
Really fun
Point, aim, melt
(Charged shot is also unblockable)
wispy lichen
Anybody have advice for stubborn defiance builds? I was cruising vs hades without dying before, but now I can’t stop choking and I’m not sure what the problem is
I’ve been using stygius, even had 1k for hoarding stash, but I‘m just not getting any good dodge/health recovery boons, I think?
willow fossil
this might sound harsh, but my best tip
is to dodge
like just learn the basic iframes
other than that, athena dash gives you more survivability while dodging
unkempt pagoda
get touches of styx and patty’s styx+
if you’re low on hp, kill yourself on something to return to the stubborn defiance threshold
if you’re about to pick up an athena boon, die, since she might give a dd boon. this means you’ll have both a SD and a DD on you for the rest of the run
loud flint
having to grab crush shot for the fated list and i didn't plan on actually using it but i'm having fun with it + magnetic fists actually
half crater
Anybody have advice for stubborn defiance builds? I was cruising vs hades without dying before, but now I can’t stop choking and I’m not sure what the problem is
@wispy lichen kill yourself a lot
there’s no reason to leave a room with less than 30% health (or higher if you grab touches of styx, which you should if you can) if your SD is still up
lose it to “heal”
but yeah that won’t help you much with the boss fights; the simple fact of the matter is that if you can only beat hades with multiple DD losses you need to either practice that fight more, or get to him with a stronger build
bronze sorrel
if you’re about to pick up an athena boon, die, since she might give a dd boon. this means you’ll have both a SD and a DD on you for the rest of the run
@unkempt pagoda
Is that how that works? I didn't realize she'd be more likely to offer those if your SD is used.
untold vortex
It's not that you're more likely, it's simply that it's possible it will be offered
You require a T1 Athena boon already though
bronze sorrel
I've gotten it offered without losing a life. I'm usually on DD though, is it maybe different for SD?
untold vortex
It's the same
bronze sorrel
Oh, cause you can definitely get it without losing SD then, unless that was patched out within the past couple weeks.
Same with KoS. Its kinda annoying on DD actually.
opal lodge
i just got 5 bloodstones with a stygian soul cast build
inzane
literally cast on cooldown
hades had like 10 bloodstones lodged
opal lodge
achilles with athena cast
also got super lucky and got mirage shot and parting shot
just posted it in #h1-victory-boasting
and fully loaded
opal lodge
yeah it doesnt do anything with stygian soul but you can get it
helps get fully loaded
its one of the 3 prereqs
bronze sorrel
Oh I didn't realize it didn't work with Stygian Soul
bronze sorrel
I'm generally a purple mirror guy mostly lol
bronze sorrel
Dark Foresight, Fated Authority, Sometimes God's Legacy, and then all purple other than that
opal lodge
yee same except i do family favorite most of the time
unless i know im going for two T1s with insta status
bronze sorrel
I like infernal on Achilles and then I just go for things like Curse of Drowning, Hunters Blades or Blizzard Shot
opal lodge
i feel
bronze sorrel
Curse of Drowning on Achilles is so fun
stark ore
I’ve never actually used Curse of Drowning, it seems good but I’m just so used to Hunting Blades that I’m not sure if I would be able to use CoD properly
strong aurora
How do you rate a Demeter ice crystal cast build combined with Artemis for additional aiming speed?
strong aurora
It's really nice, especially if you do get the cast applies chilled
opal lodge
if you're doing an achilles cast build it can be nice
the issue is it requires so much effort to make it good
like the crystals dont innately apply chill, they fire pretty low dps at first, require a duo boon to track, etc.
strong aurora
I am a noob, and i defeated Hades just once. I was close to killing him a second time, he was literally 1 hit away from dying, but so was i
strong aurora
Yeah i also like them a lot
opal lodge
theyre fun at least
mossy light
okay, the acorn is GAS
crystals are extremely variable
some builds they suck ass, some builds they salvage
stark ore
Acorn gets better the higher your heat is, for lower heats I’d probably recommend Lucky Tooth though
turbid needle
Some builds are like that.
noble cosmos
quick question, if i take double nova on arthur sword, does it put down two auras?
stark ore
Nope, just one
noble cosmos
kk, ty!
opal lodge
man arthur would be best wep if it had two damage mitigation auras
one is already pretty good
my thing with crystals is like
okay base crystal is mediocre, so you want glacial glare so they can chill and fire for a decent amt of time
but then you also want crystal clarity so they can track etc
and meanwhile theres hunting blades
mossy light
how the hell do you use aphrodite crystals too. thats another element of madness
opal lodge
beowulf time
strong aurora
I mean, Aphrodite makes the crystals focus on you, which means they get faster tracking the faster you are
mossy light
its super convenient how you have to drop all three, dash on the other side of someone, and somehow stay perfectly positioned so they all connect 
strong aurora
Also, is there any reason why hermes only appears in Asphodel?
mossy light
hes too hot for tartarus
strong aurora
He doesn't appear in Elysium or Styx as well though
mossy light
he can appear in elysium
mossy light
and styx hes the 500 obol item sometimes, or a room
strong aurora
Well, then I'm just unlucky
opal lodge
he appears twice per run usually
strong aurora
Especially when I'm making a hermes fist build
opal lodge
plus another for styx
i believe
you're basically force fed at least 2 hermes per run
unless you actively avoid
mossy light
sorta like hammers
opal lodge
yep
strong aurora
I'm using the base aspect of the fists for additional dodge chance, then try to get as many stacks of the feather as i can for more movement speed and dodge and then if i find the hermes dodge chance boon, preferably a high rarity one, the dodge chance could be incredible
opal lodge
yep
sharp anvil
Man hunting blades is fun
sharp anvil
I wasn't even on Achilles spear, and didn't get the legendary (And I should definitely have gotten it with all that I did)
I was on Chiron but hunting blades kinda just fell onto me
I just rolled with it
I had +80% cast damage from Chaos
sharp anvil
I got 5 Ares boon without a legendary. Rerolled 2 of them. One was a 450 boon that I had yarn for
heavy umbra
Short question: does Curse of Drowning work with Hera?
opal lodge
that is tragic
mossy light
no idea
mossy light
@opal lodge did you have the +legendary change?
opal lodge
would be weird
tranquil violet
Silly thing but am I the only one who swapped Cast and Special on their controller (Switch Pro)
The default arrangement makes dash specials harder
mossy light
my switch controls are based on my devil may cry 3 controls
tranquil violet
Which button plays the emo rock?
sharp anvil
@tranquil violet I swapped everything
sharp anvil
Left button is special, right button is attack, X is cast, Y is dash B is interact
I have call on right trigger and reload on left trigger, then Meg on the stick click
mossy light
Top is interact, bottom is dash, left for attack, right for special, and trigger for cast
sharp anvil
Idk how people have dash and attack on buttons shared by the same fingers
Unless they go claw
tranquil violet
You can just kinda roll your thumb
mossy light
thumb. my thumb rests on the bottom button and i use it to hit both the dash and attack or special
tranquil violet
But I would otherwise put dash on a shoulder button
Yeah I have left (Y) as attack and right (A) as special
Dash is bottom (B)
So the only one I have to move my thumb for is casting which is fine
mossy light
so its B->Y for dash attack and B+A for dash special
sharp anvil
I used to do Eris speedruns so my setup is tailored around that. I can special, attack and dash at the same time without moving fingers
tranquil violet
Easy to dash attack and special by just rolling your thumb
sharp anvil
It does, hurts your hands though
tranquil violet
Claw? Like MH claw?
sharp anvil
At least it's not required in this game
tranquil violet
Fun fact: I have a hyper flexible thumb because of playing over a 1000 hours of MH on PSP lol
sharp anvil
Claw is when you rest your middle finger on the shoulder button, thumb on stick and have your index press A X B Y
opal lodge
it feels weird but i cant imagine doing anything else now
sharp anvil
The setup I have works for all weapons without needing claw
And doesn't require you to move your fingers around
For Beowulf/Hera I have to move cast to left shoulder button though
opal lodge
fair enough yeah i just used claw for some other games so i was used to it
mossy light
claw?
opal lodge
Claw is when you rest your middle finger on the shoulder button, thumb on stick and have your index press A X B Y
tranquil violet
(Insanity!)
opal lodge
i did it a lot for smash melee
because it was helpful for a character i played
but i dont want to drag this channel too far off topic haha
cunning ibex
Can I reroll and get a duo boon
cunning ibex
going with a beam build and i really want to get the duo for it
opal lodge
just make sure you have prereqs and your core boons filled and you have a pretty solid chance to get the duo you're looking for
mossy light
and bring the duo/legend chance perk if you have it
cunning ibex
here's hoping the gods are merciful and give me what i want
first one gave nothing
spent 3 tokens to reroll too
untold vortex
And in case you're not aware, you cannot get duo boons in any trial of the gods rooms (the rooms with 2 gods in them)
fair cairn
legendaries can spawn in those though
cunning ibex
the game hates me
despertly looking for artemis or demeter and the game gives it to me
in fact it gives me both of them. in a trial room
honestly game this hurts
tranquil violet
Wow crystal clarity
Makes the meme beams so much better
I'm an engineer... that means I solve problems.
cunning ibex
whelp time for styx. maybe artemis will be kind
mossy light
relying on the RNG
opal lodge
does anyone know if
cunning ibex
I'd hope for demeter to be kind but...i mean she'd probably give me allt he boons i dont want
opal lodge
you can start with a lodging cast
get exit wounds
and then sell the lodging cast and pick up a nonlodging cast and still qualify for fully loaded
i guess its easier to just get support fire and PP
whatever
cunning ibex
oh boy i got the artemis duo
the one with zeus. that's the good one that makes my beam casts super good right. hah hah
cunning ibex
whelp, not getting it this time.
tranquil violet
Meme beams and very high damage output with relentless volley and concentrated volley
Jolted and chill stack nicely for that 40% damage boost
The fast tracking meme beams really free you up to focus on single target damage
They take care of distractions and are good for obnoxious stuff like butterfly balls
cunning ibex
whelp in the end despite not getting my big boy laser
i ended up getting my first no death run
sharp anvil
Gj
toxic wolf
I remember I had a build using meme beams and zeus shield and managed to kill these/asteri without getting hit or personally hitting anything. That was beautiful.
I dunno though I think my actual biggest flex was taking out final boss with only zeus dash (had reflex lightning, big aoe lightning, double strike, jolted, and +2 dashes so just dashed around like a madman)
opal lodge
someone tell me how i ended up with level 10 exit wound 💀
game jsut kept trolling me
whenever i get sweet nectar it always suggests the wrong boon
toxic wolf
That sounds like a lot of damage tho. What rarity?
toxic wolf
If you've got good cast damage that should really wreck some stuff
toxic wolf
I like to do speedruns with Artemis/Poseidon with Poseidon aspect sword so exit wounds is my bread and butter haha
Against bosses it does as much or more damage than my cast does
Apparently most people run zeus cast with it and I get how that's better at clearing rooms but I don't see how it stacks up against mirage shot with exit wounds vs single targets on flood shot
opal lodge
theres a current argument for flood shot
its probably second most popular
but yeah zeus is "optimal"
meanwhile me, with athena cast
sharp anvil
I'm playing hunting blades Achilles and Hades just went stealth 3 times within 30s every single time I threw my 3 blades at him
I just threw my hands in the air and said "What the f" on the third one
I've never seen him stealth so much in such a short time period
tranquil violet
Beat Alecto with Butterfly, zero damage 
opal lodge
nice! hate that her blade rifts
tranquil violet
Guan Yu and Butterfly are like peanut butter and jelly
Poseidon special works very nicely with it too
Keep enemies safely just off the edge of the screen
Beat Lernie too without damage 😄
I almost feel good at this
Around +25% damage going into Elysium from my butterfly (not fully upgraded yet)
bright sandal
Wow, an artemis exit wound cast build with sword poseidon aspect is absolutely insane
tranquil violet
If you can get it
bright sandal
That applies to like... any build?
fierce thicket
Exit wounds is not hard to get anymore
opal lodge
aphro special is nice
i mostly get exit wounds as a way to get fully loaded but its nice either way
bright sandal
Comparatively to a build that relies on getting a legendary or duo boon, this is pretty reliable, not to mention Artemis is full of other boons that benefit a cast build
tranquil violet
Oh how I love Sea Storm Guan Yu
tranquil violet
Guan Yu, Butterfly, Charged Skewer, Poseidon special with Sea Storm
Gooood stuff
opal lodge
that seems nice
i just had aphro charged skewer with sweet surrender
both level 10+
toxic wolf
Yeah personally I gun down flood shot, then arty strike/flourish, then a lot of the time I just leave arty keepsake in my slot for the rest of the game and hope for exit wounds, mirage shot, fully loaded, any of em
Also hermes whenever I see him for flurry cast or his legendary, auto load is kinda lame with poseidon sword tho
tranquil violet
Huh
Butterfly doesn't work in Styx?
That seems silly
Side Hustle works per room
coarse tendon
yeah plume doesnt work neither
tranquil violet
Booooo
toxic wolf
Yeah I'm still very sad that they make side hustle, and items work on every room in styx but not plume or butterfly
small stirrup
They do work but only in the last chamber of each tunnel! 
fierce thicket
Hustle is per chamber, the keepsakes are per encouter and the mini chambera don't count as encounters
tranquil violet
Well
Went into Styx with 3 defiances
Now I have 0
So that went poorly
Here's hoping I don't get wrecked by Hades in one hit
tranquil violet
Ahahahahahaha
I got the one time there's no fight
Technically I didn't take any damage from Hades 🙃
brittle vault
quick, do i go vicious skewer or exploding launcher?
cunning urchin
Exploding Launcher.
fierce thicket
You can't skip something that has explosions in its name
robust anchor
no acorn sadge
tranquil violet
But then I'd lose all the damage :p
robust anchor
yes thats why sadge
reef galleon
So how does the game decide what boons to pin on the victory screen? Does the order of pins matter?
robust anchor
not sure how game decides but you can select it yourself
left peak
https://i.imgur.com/7yZdHfC.png
What do you guys recommend here? I have basic spear and Artemis attack
left peak
You sure?
robust anchor
yes
robust anchor
if you got exploding launcher you can do art or aph special
now with flurry jab, art or aph atk work but zeus is really cool
you should just play around and test with stuff lol since zag spear isnt experimented with much
red harbor
any recs for rama bow boons/hammers?
robust anchor
twin shot is best hammer and art or aph attack are best
red harbor
hehe hi
robust anchor
dio or ares on special is nice and especially dio art duo boon is nice
red harbor
thank you!
robust anchor
try to get something on attack for first boon tho
if you know tailesque he does a lot of rama you should watch to see how he builds it
tranquil violet
What are good hammers for Rama?
Twin Shot seems like it would be good?
Not a huge fan of Triple Shot
robust anchor
twin is best yep and perfect shot is my second favorite
tranquil violet
Those are the two I was thinking of in my hammer pick haha
robust anchor
triple makes so you cant get twin so i dont want it
brittle vault
okay, how do you build hades' spear? every time i've tried i've had poor damage
tranquil violet
Step 1: switch to Achilles or Guan Yu
Also does Shared Suffering include drunk damage?
brittle vault
i think all damage works, so yes?
brittle vault
so no conditions inflicted by your attack?
robust anchor
no sadge
also for hades spear just go art or aph atk again and pray for serrated poijt hanmer kekw
but still damage is fine without hammer
brittle vault
oh well
btw, how do demeter fists interact with hammers that change the special mechanically
wet rivet
I really wish there was more ways to rank up the rarity of boons
brittle vault
agreed ^
okay one more question, if a legendary boon can be granted through multiple boons, does having more than one boost your chance?
wet rivet
It should boost the chance by default since it's less boons in the pool
But besides that I have no idea
rare kayak
hades spear
spin to win
with the increased range its safe to spin
and space
and yeah serrated edge works especially well with it since its got big boy multipliers on attack
or was it point? the triple dash attack
brittle vault
i think it's point
but anyway, just got my first sub 20 win with the demeter fists. and i wasn't trying to play fast. feels good
rare kayak
ah lmao i thought you meant sub 20 heat
proven osprey
yeah I played malphon like 6 ou 7 times and the weapon has my best time
it just goes fast
wet rivet
Gilgloves?
proven osprey
There is something I don't understand about Parting shot. Do cast not already backstab ? I thought so..
Like Phalanx
oh
should have been the arrow attack that backstabs
but not the cast (hera)
wet rivet
The mods should just make a command for the parting shot explanation
proven osprey
wet rivet
I agree that it's quite poorly explained in the description
probably the only flaw in Hades
unkempt pagoda
no there’s a lot more poorly explained explanations don’t worry
wet rivet
Which?
proven osprey
unkempt pagoda
the whole attack/dash strike terminology in regards to hammers, dashing flight, rush kick not mentioning it affects dash upper, heart rend being multiplicative when everything else is additive
i could go on
drifting vale
steady cipher
Are you able to get duo boons on trials?
cunning urchin
No.
steady cipher
damn
wet rivet
Do go on please
onyx parcel
No.
@cunning urchin I think someone tested out
You can get duo in trial
Just not between the two
cunning urchin
No, you can't get any Duo Boon in a trial.
You can get Legendary Boons, though, but no Duo Boons.
hearty elbow
They very recently confirmed that in the speedrunning discord. No Duos, yes legendaries. They were refuting the common "wisdom" that you could only not get the Duo of the Gods in that room (which is also what I believed previously)
solid cairn
can confirm, I watched ellomenoP's mythbusting stream
I was also able to finally find out that you couldn't get smoldering air just by having ||hades keepsake call in the slot||
proven osprey
Ok Blinding flash is so clucth for athena Hera
so about Parting shot, what should I know ?
solid cairn
athena cast backstabs from the front iirc
proven osprey
yup noticed that
hearty elbow
Lol, I feel like "so... about Parting Shot?" is this channel's version of high-heat's "what are the easiest pacts at 32"
solid cairn
I dont notice that
proven osprey
that's funny beceause I asked the very same question to Nyan yesterday
solid cairn
it is uhh a pretty bad duo
hearty elbow
I've heard so many different things at this point about Parting Shot that until I use it I'll reserve my judgment for how it works. It could be anything. It could even be a boat.
solid cairn
if there were more things that happened on backstab it could be better
hearty elbow
I have heard from a lot of people that all casts are modified by unconditional damage based off of your backstab damage, including its own bonus, Shadow Presence, and Exposed
Though it seems to me that if that were true more people would use it.
barren otter
I've heard that only Athena's cast gets backstab bonus from the front with Parting Shot.
proven osprey
Does party shot no simply allow backstab on cast ?
weak garnet
is party shot the Dio cast?
proven osprey
nah, athena/aphro duo
weak garnet
Whoops
hearty elbow
Which is the last part of the last prophecy I have left on my main save lol
solid cairn
what is
hearty elbow
Lightning Phalanx
proven osprey
Casts do not backstab right ?
solid cairn
unless you have parting shot
proven osprey
Then if the duo was worded "Allows your cast do to backstab"
solid cairn
but good luck backstabbing with anything that isnt phalanx shot
isn't that what it says
proven osprey
would not it be so much easier to understand
hearty elbow
The Duo is phrased terribly for non-ambiguity
proven osprey
no it says that your cast gains access to backstab bonuses
hearty elbow
Which could mean that your cast can now backstab, or it means that your casts now have your backstab bonuses... as a bonus.
proven osprey
the thing I did not know was if cast could backstab or not
solid cairn
"Your Cast gains any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind."
proven osprey
Yeah
Man just say you can backstab with cast, it implies that bonuses work on it
damn it
weak garnet
Cast can't usually backstab, Asta
hearty elbow
While you Cast, your Backstab is applied and deals +35% damage 
proven osprey
Yeah
weak garnet
we got there in the end haha
proven osprey
But I did not know that before testing haha
hearty elbow
If only everything could use Dashing Flight's templating
solid cairn
yknow it's kinda weird, the prereqs for fully loaded used to all be related to casts
now only one is
dual shot is now a duo boon and quick reload belongs to hermes
hearty elbow
Bad News should probably be replaced with Fully Loaded lol
Bad News is... very self-descriptive
solid cairn
I think bad news is the only legendary I dont have
for the prophecy
oh I also dont have black out
hearty elbow
Black Out is so dope though. It's like Eris: the Boon
solid cairn
ugh Im gonna have to play stygian soul dio
hearty elbow
The lowest cost build I've done for Black Out is Lightning Strike + Trippy Shot + Dio's Aid
On Eris
Gives you outs to Scintillating Feast and Black Out
barren otter
bad news is ok with lodging casts only in normal rooms, it's hardly applicable to bosses. But with non-lodging casts it's good with everything
spiral flicker
What's the best weapon for a cast centered build? Something like demeter crystals or ares blades for example. I'm thinking either Eris Rail or Posseidon Sword for the increased damage.
hearty elbow
Non-lodging casts are best used on Achilles
proven osprey
(dio dio dio dio)
hearty elbow
I like Beowulf and Hera for Dio
spiral flicker
I see, I'll experiment with that once I have it unlocked
Still relatively new to the game so I don't have all the aspects yet
solid cairn
not a fan of stygian soul builds
weak garnet
I personally don't like ares cast unless you get a few upgrades on it
solid cairn
maybe ill warm up to them
weak garnet
What's a soul build?
solid cairn
alternate mirror
barren otter
stygian soul is a mirror option – you get one cast, but it recharges every 3 seconds
weak garnet
oh yeah, I don't like that one
not that I've tried
Can someone give me some guan-yu tips? It seems to me like it's the worst weapon in the game
maybe fully upgraded makes it more playable
solid cairn
stay back and special
fierce thicket
You really need to upgrade it to survive more consistently
weak garnet
stay back and special
@solid cairn
so like a bad bow build?
fierce thicket
Special builds are the easiest but you can pull off op runs with spin at lower heats if you get the right hammers
proven osprey
hehe
fierce thicket
Well, special also relies on good hammers
proven osprey
playing like living garbage in asphodel then getting patroclus feels so good
proven osprey
think Eurydice is my favorite since she can't be useless
calm saddle
same
weak garnet
Unless she updoots your athena dash 😦
Or almost any dash upgrade is pretty useless, right?
calm saddle
yep
proven osprey
you can always take nectar for next duos
weak garnet
I generally do
I'm looking through em, which dash upgrades aren't useless? Arty, I guess, if you're doing a very dash attack heavy build
calm saddle
ares lol
fierce thicket
Pos dash does a bunch of damage with good range, it's not a bad upgrade
hearty elbow
I'm looking through em, which dash upgrades aren't useless? Arty, I guess, if you're doing a very dash attack heavy build
@weak garnet Strictly speaking, Drunken Dash scales similarly to Strike and Flourish. Doesn't make it less garbage, but it is what it is.
fierce thicket
Art dash is also free damage upgrade for bows
calm saddle
i upgrade art dash if i get it on fists or sword
hearty elbow
ehhhhhhh, not having Divine Dash isn't "free". But it is good in its own right, I agree.
calm saddle
otherwise naaaah
fierce thicket
Yeah that's the problem with art dash, competition
calm saddle
@weak garnet Strictly speaking, Drunken Dash scales similarly to Strike and Flourish. Doesn't make it less garbage, but it is what it is.
@hearty elbow i dont like drunken dash bcuz the effect happens where u start not where u end up
weak garnet
Yeah, also 3 stacking 5 times is very weak
hearty elbow
I don't like it because it makes Dio's Aid unusable
calm saddle
i much prefere dio aid
weak garnet
Art dash is also free damage upgrade for bows
@fierce thicket Can you explain?
fierce thicket
Bows should always dash before shooting to charge faster, since it counts as a dash strike art dash gives it a straight damage buff
hearty elbow
@weak garnet Zag, and Rama bows typically have multiple sources of multiplicative scaling (either from their passive buffs, from Deadly Strike, or from hammers like Twin Shot), so the flat damage from Hunter Dash goes a lot further than it would on other aspects.
Except maybe Nemesis, but Nemesis wants Divine Dash so badly
weak garnet
Gotcha,I think!
barren totem
Do you guys have some tricks for using rama's bow? I've been using chiron since the start of the game, but I want to switch. My only problem is that I use the sound crescendo to power shot, and rama's bow has that constant sound most of the time, so it makes it difficult to use for me
hearty elbow
Tbf it does crescendo slightly
But it's a good habit to get used toe the timing by feel instead of sound in more chaotic encounters
weak garnet
dunno how to help with the sound issue of powershotting but you basically do special -> dash, -> charge, hit -> rinse and repeat
try to hit everyone with a special
digital mountain
I want my titan blood back from the boring/uselss chaos shield!!!!
hearty elbow
Right, spread your special around, find a safe spot, and get a Power Shot. It's a lot more... deliberate than with Zag bow, but a lot more rewarding
weak garnet
I had a build recently with Rama + twin + explosive shot + artemis attack, was hitting for 1000+ per hit
I want my titan blood back from the boring/uselss chaos shield!!!!
@digital mountain Which aspect is useless?
hearty elbow
I think he means Chaos aspect
weak garnet
Imo they're all good, though zeus is my fave
hearty elbow
(that's so confusing, I wish they didn't do that with the naming lol)
weak garnet
Agreed
Especially since I don't think there's an interaction with Chaos and his aspect, right?
digital mountain
yeah chaos aspect, i was shotgunning with aphro boon and it was so underwhelming
calm saddle
guys why wont asterius notice me
digital mountain
theres a small interaction
calm saddle
i keep beating him up with my fists but he doesnt wanna talk
hearty elbow
Notice me sempai.
digital mountain
regardless what a boring aspect
in ither news the hera bow aspect is insanely fun
hearty elbow
I love all the bows equally, but Hera the least of them.
fierce thicket
I don't think you need to beat him with the fists for the phrase, I got it on another weapon run but he had acknowledged my fists before
weak garnet
yeah chaos aspect, i was shotgunning with aphro boon and it was so underwhelming
@digital mountain I haven't fully upgraded it yet but for sure 5 upgrades is WAY better than just 1, unlike a lot of other aspects which don't improve much
digital mountain
hera with Artemis cast let me melt every boss so fast
calm saddle
i need to kick his butt 6 more times according to the codex
digital mountain
@digital mountain I haven't fully upgraded it yet but for sure 5 upgrades is WAY better than just 1, unlike a lot of other aspects which don't improve much
@weak garnet nah it was fully upgraded, hence i want my 10+ titan blood back, i got robbed!!!
weak garnet
damn dude, sorry!
calm saddle
alright i guess were going random heat fists
weak garnet
Random heat?
calm saddle
anyone have a fun build for fists
digital mountain
which fists?
hearty elbow
I like Zeus/Ares/DIo builds on Chaos more personally.
hearty elbow
Relying on its actual damage is... iffy
calm saddle
idc about magnetic cutter
weak garnet
dio works for attack on erry weapon pretty much except bow haha
hearty elbow
Or sword
weak garnet
Good with zag sword!
fierce thicket
But then you're using zag sword
calm saddle
ah screw it ill just go ares attack into curse of longing
its too bad ME doesnt proc with athena dash
that would be op but still
😦
hearty elbow
....
weak garnet
Is zag swrod not good?
cosmic jackal
hearty elbow
OH you mean like prereq
weak garnet
ah screw it ill just go ares attack into curse of longing
@calm saddle How are you planning this, didn't you not start your run yet?
me?
digital mountain
zag sword isnt bad, but nemesis has higher output imo
hearty elbow
The most entertainment I've had with Curse of Longing is with Chaos I think.
And Dire Misfortune
calm saddle
yeah thats what im gonna try and do on dem fists
hearty elbow
It would probably work with Chiron but anything else that actually does damage would do better lmao
weak garnet
Wait you guys plan out your boons in advance?
calm saddle
u dont?
weak garnet
But I'm still on low heat (5-7 depending on weapon) so maybe it's less necessary
I have em all!
calm saddle
much less neccesary on that low heat
hearty elbow
I typically always do, or at least I have a mental tree that I traverse if I pick a starting God, depending on what I'll see
calm saddle
but u still should
like the last run i did with lucifer i knew i wanted zeus attack but idrk what other gods
hearty elbow
It's a good idea to have an idea of what Duos exist to know which ones you want to have outs for
calm saddle
so i just kept taking zeus boons so i dont mudddy up the boon pool
weak garnet
Wait, if I switch keepsakes to say, Zeus, after stage 1 or 2, does that guarantee me to get zeus in the next?
calm saddle
yes
hearty elbow
@calm saddle You will always have 4 gods in your pool
calm saddle
ik
i just didnt want to waste any of the slots on a god i wasnt sure about
i got to asphodel with only zeus boons
hearty elbow
I see. Well, for Lightning, DIo, and Demeter are worthwhile for their Duos, and for Lucifer, Divine Dash is basically 1000% required
calm saddle
yeye
trippy shot aint the best but its not the worth
especially with how powerful that duo boon is
hearty elbow
It's not bad to keep things "stunned" once you strip their armor
Oh, also Artemis for her duo
Lightning Rod is a lot better on Eris than Lucifer (.... tbf what isn't), but it still does all the Lightning stuff lol
calm saddle
ik i just like lucifer
fierce thicket
i want lucifer so i can meme around but the game refuses to give it to me 
hearty elbow
Super Soaker build sparks much joy
calm saddle
i want gilgamesh so i can do an ME build
hearty elbow
@calm saddle Every fist can do ME
calm saddle
ik
fierce thicket
i'm literally on 70+ runs and still miss lucy
hearty elbow
My first ME with Gilgamesh... it was a combination of extremely broken and just so bad. Even with +1 +2 dashes (Ruthless + Rare Greatest)
You consume the dashes so quickly that they're always down, so dodging stuff is... harder than it should be. The dash range is also relatively short
fierce thicket
the one time i went for an ME gilgamesh build I didn't realize ME didn't appear with divine dash till I reached styx
calm saddle
im just theorizing but since u open up with special usually on gilgamesh u would get ares special athena attack
and probably athena dash?
potent ember
noticed that with gilgamesh you cant reliably chain dashes. there seems to be some weird inconsistent delay between them
hearty elbow
I suppose you're allowed to open up with Maim on Gilgamesh but I would highly not recommend
fierce thicket
ares attack and divine flourish just for ME
hearty elbow
It is a lagfest
fierce thicket
don't even use the special lol
fierce thicket
yep
hearty elbow
It's really bad. It leaves you vulnerable forever and taking extra damage
fierce thicket
the extra damage dealt by enemies is a very good synergy with the move's huge recovery
proven osprey
true
weak garnet
Super Soaker build sparks much joy
@hearty elbow I'm in the middle of my first lucifer run and that's what I got!
hearty elbow
Breaking Wave in Styx with Triple Beam is just perfection
weak garnet
I assume zeus and dio are better for lucifer, right, since they're flat damage
Or uhh maybe ares and just spray the room?
Breaking Wave in Styx with Triple Beam is just perfection
@hearty elbow I got triple beam!!
hearty elbow
If you're playing Lucifer, you're doing it for fun, so have fun with it and don't worry about "better" lmao.
calm saddle
^^^
weak garnet
If you're playing Lucifer, you're doing it for fun, so have fun with it and don't worry about "better" lmao.
@hearty elbow What dyou mean? Is it not good?
hearty elbow
It has some odd disadvantages without many compensating advantages:
- It can't destroy projectiles
- It's special is... something, especially if your on auto-aim + controller.
- It has a huge startup and recovery on the attack, which is problematic especially because you have no native way to destroy projectiles, so you have to dash a lot. If you dash while attacking, you have no invincibility, so you often have to stop attacking. And to stop attacking means you have to start attacking again.
- It doesn't have Eris' bonus damage but shares most of its builds.
- Most of its own unique hammers are memes. It loses out on the insane special hammers of the other Rails.
brittle vault
i tried doing a special build once and i thought the damage was good enough, but it is incredibly janky and you can't rely on bosses standing still long enough to get like six mines to blow up at once on them
weak garnet
Thanks! I'm not on audo aim, I appreciate the right write-up
Still, i'm on heat 6 (first 3 EMs) so I'm not too worried
lyric bloom
Note that if you try to mitigate the cant destroy projectiles part with the athena strike, last time I used it it would only reflect at the base of the gun and not the entire beam
gleaming current
Fun random fact:
Having Sweet Surrender makes Thanatos crit 10999! instead of 9999!
New meta?
lyric bloom
Hacking the game to spawn thanatos against bosses and oneshotting them, of course.
opal lodge
having targeting system also increases the amt of damage summons do
hmm i wonder how targeting system and sweet surrender stack
if they do
gleaming current
Probably additive
opal lodge
most likely yeah
gleaming current
The real question is if heart rend works to make thanatos crit in 20k-ish
hearty elbow
Than was a lot more popular before Meg was (re)buffed and Antos was released
onyx parcel
Is it still good compared to meg
It’s 1000 more damage
But idk if I like the delay
hearty elbow
Yep, that's the tradeoff :3
gleaming current
(ah, probably should have mentioned it's encounter thanatos, not the companion. unless it's just a theme switch because of coincidental name)
Yeah, thanatos doesn't seem all that popular nowadays
Probably because most encounters where his damage matters cap it out by invincibility phase shift
or plain not having enough hp to begin with
dry ember
Than companion is good if you can handle the timing. I just haven't seen anyone who managed it, especially with FO2 and the general unpredictability of the game
opal lodge
i see
i kind of liked him to just chunk EM4 dad during healing phase
also i felt like he hit theseus/asterius a bit more reliably but i probably just need to get used to meg
cunning urchin
Why use either when you can summon Brad Pitt and St. Patroclus.
gleaming current
Brad Pitt and Brad Patt
cunning urchin
Yes.
gleaming current
the obvious solution is actually Dusa
Good girl doesn't care about DC2
primal hazel
untold iris
thanatos is a cheater