I'm new-ish but like, every time I've gotten to hades I had 300ish health
#h1-builds-and-combat
noble wolf
tranquil violet
I do usually try to pick up an extra dodge or the sturdy+speed boost after dodge though
To give enough range to easily clear his swings if I don't manage to iframe dodge them
But he's pretty easy to dodge otherwise
noble wolf
350 when I cleared it
take most centaur hearts I got
tranquil violet
Health upgrades in roguelites are usually overrated
Glass cannon all day
If you lose you git gud
If you don't lose, then you win
opal lodge
health is a crutch
tranquil violet
And this game doesn't really force you to face tank anything
At least at low heat so far
opal lodge
real men play GY spear on high confidence
olive badge
I mean
tranquil violet
High confidence AND pierced butterfly*
opal lodge
im joking if you could not tell
opal lodge
but yeah health IS a crutch but even people at the highest level take accidental damage
tranquil violet
Depends on the weapon a lot yeah
opal lodge
no one's a perfect dodger
tranquil violet
With spear I feel like butterfly is viable
With other weapons like sword and fish not so much
olive badge
butterfly is unviable not because you get hit
tranquil violet
Redacted was smacked with a trout.
jaunty locust
hold on, does CF mess with the styx shop?
olive badge
but because you lose all bonus taking it off
mossy light
trinkets other than cthonic purse and olympians exist? 
@jaunty locust yes, but not the blood or diamond
tranquil violet
I honestly never use either of those yet
jaunty locust
sweet ok
tranquil violet
I'm just stating to use olympians
Currently I always run two areas of Chaos Egg and then two areas of Acorn
Egg is so good
tranquil violet
Those Epic Chaos boons 
opal lodge
14 room prometheus stone is not to be slept on
olive badge
the usual pattern I get is Duo ingredient 1 - Duo ingredient 2 - Purse - Hourglass/Spearpoint
opal lodge
and my main gripe with chaos egg is it's like
mossy light
i use hourglass in styx for healing though i might get more use outta the acorn
opal lodge
at most 50 health
tranquil violet
The health isn't the point
opal lodge
maybe 75 if you're super lucky in a region
tranquil violet
The point is the boosted boons
tranquil violet
Higher rarity chaos boons are dank
+70-90% on a move is insane
Massive damage increases for relatively benign costs
opal lodge
yeah i usually try to get both duo ingredients in tartarus or adjust if i don't get em
olive badge
the thing is
opal lodge
and then go acorn or dad keepsake for elysium and styx
olive badge
like you can get common Athena and epic chaos
it's the same as epic athena and common chaos
something like that
tranquil violet
BIG NUMBER GOOD
olive badge
and chaos is more
tranquil violet
I repeat
olive badge
fluctuating I guess
tranquil violet
BIG NUMBER GOOD
olive badge
a lot of time when I get Chaos it's relatively stupid boost
like they gave me backstab bonus with cast build
tranquil violet
If I get boosts that are meh I just take extra resources
I'm not maxed out yet so there's no real downside
olive badge
and honestly I can live with a rare Chaos
most of the time you fill with poms
and uhh
for example if you run fist
80% boost on 15 damage is
negligible to say the least
idk the more I play the less I want Chaos
tranquil violet
But 80% boost on the special with Demeter aspect?
Also that fist boost is multiplied by the hit rate
It's still a big DPS boost
olive badge
chaos can give really dumb boost that does not fit with your build
tranquil violet
Then take resource boost and double your healing or money
Or extra casts
There's rarely no good pick among chaos boons imo
jaunty locust
so I"m using stygian soul to get the hermes legendary - how logn do the bloodstones stay in people? Same time as before?
opal lodge
eh i feel like it happens all the time
tranquil violet
The worst case scenario is that you don't get any chaos gate
olive badge
if you're doing a build that relies on flat damage like merciful end
opal lodge
like i get a chaos gate that i could just live without
opal lodge
^^ maybe thats why i dont think theyre super useful
tranquil violet
But with egg you're almost always picking from Rare and Epic
olive badge
and when you level up your olympian boon 160 to 180 is 1/8 difference
so I"m using stygian soul to get the hermes legendary - how logn do the bloodstones stay in people? Same time as before?
@jaunty locust unless you take the fast dislodge one it's the same
olive badge
and that's why people take god boons
jaunty locust
oooh ok thanks!
olive badge
also for stygian
the dislodge is not important
you don't get to pick it up
you just regenerate it
jaunty locust
ooh yeah I just wanted to know how long it stuck in them for extra damage
but tbh I'm only using it to get that prophecy fulfilled
half crater
lol
you even done that thing where you decide to kill yourself on a trap, then remember you have 90% resistance to trap damage?
be like, welp, guess i’ll just fight this egg to death for half an hour
mossy light
tartarus stubborn roots
half crater
nice
mossy light
its amazing, but its also kinda useless
olive badge
everyone make fun of heightened security
half crater
i got it once in tartarus, and was really excited, but then it never came up lol
olive badge
and then get sniped by REDACTED jar
mossy light
nobody makes fun of it
half crater
i lost like one DD that entire run
half crater
ye honestly HS kinda scared me
olive badge
why is it 1
half crater
big agree
olive badge
whose idea was it
half crater
1 heat HS is a joke
wet rivet
half crater
i think it should be split into 2 levels, each worth 1 heat for +200% each
lmao
git gud is prolly the real answer idk
half crater
lernie isn’t too bad, but can be annoying
but those jars are like, 150 damage or something?
it’s ridiculous
olive badge
yeahhhhhhh
mossy light
in fact, ill do my HS run next to get it outta the way. god i hate HS
olive badge
Jar and flying buzzsaw
half crater
oh man the buzzsaws
mossy light
i sometimes get hit by elysium arrows. especially the spearmen
half crater
many a run has been ended embarrassingly by those seemingly easy to avoid buzzsaws
olive badge
gas trap in styx
jaunty locust
okay, alright, for some reason the boiling blood and maim damage isn't stacking?
olive badge
half crater
jaunty locust
Oh is that a known bug
olive badge
how does one build zeus shield
mossy light
damnit hermes. give me the stupid legendary boon so i can swap out of timer bloodstones
jaunty locust
(is f10 search?)
half crater
if you hit F10 in game, you’ll open the bug reporter
jaunty locust
oh, okay. I'm on switch
olive badge
is save sync live yet
mossy light
i loathe the low-hp haze
jaunty locust
oh it's less complicated. It's just that stygian soul doesn't work with boiling blood even if you get the little bloodstone icon apparently
half crater
you don’t get boiling blood with stygian? that sounds like a bug
save sync is still in the works afaik
olive badge
yeah that sounds like a bug
wet rivet
You do get bb with styg
jaunty locust
oooh ok.
olive badge
so I suppose it was a bug then
drifting vale
Yeah it works for me
jaunty locust
weird. Okay. I'll try another round with it maybe? but idk I don't lik eit THAT much
drifting vale
Can always just test on skelly
jaunty locust
ooh
turbid needle
anyone else absolutely love combining the rail with zeus effects? once you get the upgrade where it's 3 round burst with no reload, you become almost unstoppable
olive badge
nahhhhhh
that ain't it chief
when you get the ricochet shot
and the + 6 Ammo
+6 Ammo offers more DPS overall if you use it optimally but that's just me
but ricochet + zeus attack is sick
tranquil violet
What exactly changes with the Heroes at EM1?
I guess Theseus doesn't do his slow walk back?
Asterius dies before I can tell 😂
turbid needle
+6 Ammo offers more DPS overall if you use it optimally but that's just me
@olive badge thanks for the tips!! ill give that a go now
ive only ever completed one run so far >_< so still noob even tho i have 50 hours logged lmao
tranquil violet
Try doing butterfly runs
Helps learn timing
Wut
I didn't say anything bad D:
Oh man
Arthur + Athena Attack + Blinding Flash + Shadow Slash
Doling out >1k per third combo hit
The 400+ on the second hit ain't bad either
olive badge
What exactly changes with the Heroes at EM1?
@tranquil violet
Each level of EM change a boss
like EM1 upgrade furies
EM2 upgrade hydra
EM3 upgrade the duo
EM4 upgrade final boss
tranquil violet
Oh huh
I thought they all upgraded all of them
Well then EM1 is basically free
rare kayak
em1 is slightly less free after they buffed it but still pretty free
olive badge
EM 2 is a bit rough if you can't deal with lava
rare kayak
i still think td1 is the most free heat tho
olive badge
td2 is still free imo
td3 is when it's actually hindering you
no time to even stop for trove
tranquil violet
Arthur + Athena Attack + Blinding Flash + Shadow Slash
@tranquil violet this build is just stupid
With proper timing you can keep slamming out 1000+ nonstop
And I have Athena dash too so it's suuuper easy to Expose
tranquil violet
Yeah but I can also get other nearby enemies
Before I release the third swipe
If there are any other enemies left at least
tranquil violet
I've been noticing that for some reason Athena Arthur attacks don't seem to consistently deflect projectiles?
At least not the big chunky slams
(Slam jam)
(welcome to the space jam.)
turbid needle
im not sure if this is the right place to ask, but ive been trying to unlock Skelly's companion or legendary keepsake as some call it, and ive gotten my aspect of zag to level 5, ive killed him with it, and i have ambrosia! but he never has any updated dialogue or anything or the option to gift ambrosia
tranquil violet
Also re: that dash attack trick Red
turbid needle
does anyone know if this is just a glitch? or am i doing something wrong
tranquil violet
After I started I realized I'd been doing that all along just didn't realize the precise mechanics
But yeah attack then dash behind and finish the combo is great
Stack that backstab and exposed damage
olive badge
im not sure if this is the right place to ask, but ive been trying to unlock Skelly's companion or legendary keepsake as some call it, and ive gotten my aspect of zag to level 5, ive killed him with it, and i have ambrosia! but he never has any updated dialogue or anything or the option to gift ambrosia
@turbid needle did you just kill him or he prompt you to
cuz he has to prompt you to
turbid needle
cuz he has to prompt you to
@olive badge ohhh right i see!! he hasnt prompted me yet so i guess ill just keep completing runs until he asks
olive badge
yeah there'll be a small convo where he asks you to
turbid needle
i wish there was more of a clear guideline as to how to unlock the companions
but i guess that wwould remove some of the fun lol
mossy light
max affection, do task, max affection, wait
stark ore
Sometimes the waiting is a long, long time
Still waiting on Achilles and Sisyphus after like a week
olive badge
you know the worst one is Gil fist
you have to RNG to get Asterius
then RNG to get the convo
wet rivet
Am I the only one who likes that they're not telling you about your every next move?
stark ore
I got Gil and Rama without even realizing it, Lucifer is the one that took me hours to get even when I was farming deaths
wet rivet
I just did ~20 1 stage runs to get most of the aspects
mossy light
huhhm, i got gil pretty fast
olive badge
I did too
took my friend almost 10 tries with the fist to
mostly because asterius didn't show up
but once he does the convo doesn't trigger
wet rivet
I fought the champions with gloves and got it the following run with another weapon
umbral surge
i ran like 30 time already, not getting the hidden aspect of Rail Gun (the only thing I'm missing), how to unlock it? already got Zeus bond too
sharp anvil
I was eligible for Aphrodite Poseidon duo right away, had 8 full rolls to get it before Tartarus ended and I didn't get it
One of them even had the Ariadne extra rarity
turbid needle
any tips on effectively farming titan blood? outside of coin farming and buying it at styx
wet rivet
Prophecies
cobalt field
robust anchor
when you got your first win, how much of the mirror did you have unlocked?
open question
forest ether
Think I got my first win with 8/12 of the mirror? Might have been 10/12, I’d have to go back and check
sharp anvil
I think I only had up to the Dash? It was on my 10th run
forest ether
Wait so there’s a prophecy for doing Tight Deadline?
I haven’t tried TD yet, might give it a shot tomorrow
Trying to up my heat record and I use plume anyhow
sharp anvil
There's a prophecy for beating the game under the influence of every Heat effect
(Doesn't have to be all at once)
forest ether
Ahhhhhhhhhh gotcha
dark quail
So i have meg's and sysiphus' companion maxed, should i spend ambrosia on other companions or just convert it to titan blood?
sharp anvil
Achilles' has its rare uses at high heat
But you're probably better off converting it to titan blood
modest sigil
How do we complete the A Place of Revelry prophecy ? I read online that you need to buy 12 items for the lounge. Do we need to get the 12 cheapest of 12 unique upgrades ? (ie only 1 rug etc)
left peak
I have Aspect of Zag, Heartbreak strike, Hunter's Dash with basic bow
What do you guys recommend?
spare flare
Game is being surprisingly generous, lately. I'm trying out Underworld Customs (Pact of Punishment condition: You must purge at least one boon in the Pool of Purging before advancing to the next biome.), and my Eternal Rose had me so loaded up on strong Aphro boons that I had Unhealthy Fixation before the end of Tartarus.
@left peak The prophecy rewards are pretty spiffy. I'd focus on trying all of them first, then worry later about picking the best.
left peak
Alright
spare flare
And with those choices, Explosive, easily.
The slower charge is offset by the explosive boost so much that, even just firing it partially drawn, you're doing plenty of damage.
modest sigil
Does anyone know?
turbid needle
yo so i havent gotten literally any companion yet, which is the easiest one do u guys think to get?
cunning urchin
@modest sigil #h1-story-discussion is a better place to ask about stuff like prophecies.
modest sigil
Ok thanks
spare flare
@turbid needle Depends on whom you see most often. I built up a stock of, like, 22 ambrosia while waiting for enough talks with Sisyphus to happen, so I pulled the trigger on Dusa and then went around handing out ambrosia to whoever would take it.
If I had to guess at what character would be the easiest to get to accept ambrosia first, of those that give companions, it'd probably be Dusa.
turbid needle
@turbid needle Depends on whom you see most often. I built up a stock of, like, 22 ambrosia while waiting for enough talks with Sisyphus to happen, so I pulled the trigger on Dusa and then went around handing out ambrosia to whoever would take it.
@spare flare thank you for the tips!! i feel like ive given a lot of nectar to quite a lot of the characters, and dont seem to get a trigger point for anything so thats why i thought i'd ask
spare flare
Yeah, just gotta' keep chatting them up. Applies to the gods, too.
@turbid needle "Give your ambrosia to Dusa. Do it. Not only do you get a really strong companion, but get a load of this:
When you finish Dusa's heart line, she offers to give you back the ambrosia that you gave her! This has no effect on further interactions, only just this one division of dialogue, so you can decline, hit Quit to return to the title screen, go talk to her again, accept, and bam, you've incurred no consequence in or out of the game."
sharp anvil
Just got lvl 16 epic Pressure Points on a Hera cast build
With Poseidon cast and Mirage Shot 
cunning urchin
worldly sequoia
what would yall say the best cast boon for beowulf is?
spare flare
Passion, or Deadly if you get Heart Rend. Close third in Trippy, especially with Scintillating Feast.
proper lantern
Hmm... honestly just can't get melee builds to work. Always lose to you know who. Have beaten once with spear and sword, but only once. With fists didn't even get close to beating you know who. Rail on the other hand I'm on a winning spree
hestia + 3 bombs is just so good
don't like the shield but I guess could get some easy wins with it...
neat hound
Is hades||' sigil call ||good ? And why ? And how ?
cunning urchin
@worldly sequoia Trippy Shot with Stygian Soul or Passion Flare with Infernal Soul. Hunter's Flare actually kinda sucks.
Ice Flare is also pretty good.
brisk plaza
@neat hound I like using it with billowing call (zeus boon that gives +%dmg after using call) because once you level the sigil to max you start a room with 30% god gauge so can activate it straight away
worldly sequoia
@cunning urchin Gotcha, thank you
brisk plaza
Zeus works well on attack as its a flat damage boost which also gets boosted by eris special
brisk plaza
For eris I would prob go with explosive fire
If you were going with a different attack boon I might have suggested spread fire
But if you have zeus want the range and ammo clip size
neat hound
'kay i'll try that jun
limber flax
okay thx
brisk plaza
@neat hound other than that specific application I dont have much experience with that keepsake. If you use it at max gauge you get invis for longer and attacking wont break invis. You also get a 100% damage bonus while invis.
proven osprey
help
I'm on a special run with GY, I can get swift flourish or side hustle, both epic
how good 30% faster special
gilded nymph
what's the best eris hammers
brisk plaza
@proven osprey if you are only using special the 30% faster special is def worth it
proven osprey
I'll try it, rip the gold
gilded nymph
like between seeking, piercing and flurry fire for eris, which is best
brisk plaza
@gilded nymph honestly imo the rocket special is my fav for eris. so you dont have to wait for the rocket to land to get your dmg bonus
proven osprey
well you're not really hammer dependant on eris
brisk plaza
Out of those three either seeking or flurry fire imo
proven osprey
flurry should be amazing with eris bonus
unkempt scroll
The Athena/Artemis duo, do I have to deflect an attack for the effect to happen?
hearty elbow
@hearty elbow just beat 40 heat with a zeus special build
@opal lodge Very cool!
hearty elbow
The Athena/Artemis duo, do I have to deflect an attack for the effect to happen?
@unkempt scroll Yes
unkempt scroll
:c
If I use aspect of Rama special on a foe, does the affect still work if I hit that same foe with attack?
worn crypt
Yes
unkempt scroll
Cool
worn crypt
The shared suffering damage shows up as a green number
unkempt scroll
Okay. Is Gilgamesh worth using? 🤔
unkempt scroll
ME?
cunning urchin
Merciful End.
unkempt scroll
Well... the maim dmg seems to be quite high if I max it out, but it is a bit slow to affect... 🤔
I only have 21 titan blood, so I'm trying to figure out what I wanna max out next
:p
worn crypt
The maim damage doesn't do much over all, gilgamesh basically just as good at level 1 imo
wet rivet
Maim has the 20% damage debuff
unkempt scroll
Sorry, I'm not too familiar with all the different names, yet... What do they do?
wet rivet
It's hot
unkempt scroll
Isn't it possible to boost the maim dmg somehow?
wet rivet
By maxing it
unkempt scroll
I meant during a run
robust anchor
kekw
unkempt pagoda
just via global damage modifiers
proven osprey
when you want to play special but Serrated point comes in
unkempt pagoda
so things like butterfly, privileged, family favorite, etc
worn crypt
Am I wrong in thinking the bow is still fantastic even after the nerf? I haven't noticed it at all actually
latent briar
Hey Everyone!
How do I play with/is the best vuild for the aspect of lucifer? I am fairly goos with the other exagryph aspects, but for some reason when I play with this one, it just... Doesnt click for me? I dunno. I also dont know if I know how to use the special "the right way"
cunning urchin
I don't think "the right way" to use the Special has really been figured out.
hearty elbow
it's the best applicator of ME in the game
@unkempt pagoda It the best Onyx "Cast Build!" Cicada applicator in the game.
unkempt pagoda
that's probably just hera bow 😛
robust anchor
i also like zeus
robust anchor
i used to hate dio cast but i like it more now
steep oasis
i need to use dio's cast more before i think of it
i like ares's cast but damn it's so slow
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
steep oasis
ah i see
i forget there is another side of upgrades
i just usually go purple upgrades lmao
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
steep oasis
red side?
unkempt pagoda
it's purple i think lol
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
steep oasis
But yeah i really like demeter's cast
since it sorta autoaims (albeit slowly) and gives them chill
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
steep oasis
no i'm pretty sure it still chills w/o the buff
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
gloomy kettle
welp, today I discovered that the mirror of night has alternate upgrades, anyone got a build for them?
steep oasis
honestly i think i've seen only one natural heroic tier boon ever
gloomy kettle
you can only get heroic boons by trading epic ones
steep oasis
ah
gloomy kettle
it's impossible to find one naturally
gloomy kettle
probably upgraded with Demeter's buff or Ambrosia Delight from Eurydice
but uh, to go back to my question, does anyone have a tier list for the mirror of night?
junior harbor
reliable Hera build for heat-0? Need something to melt the bosses with like 1/2 duo boons
I've been using Bliz shot + mirage shot, but it doesn't really work well on hera
spare flare
What the heck?! Why was Hades doing 76 damage per hit?! I was using Forced Overtime, not Hard Labor, so it's bad enough that he was acting non-hecking-stop, but why was he dealing almost double damage?!
In fact, I had Bronze Skin! He was dealing double damage!
junior harbor
He launched a skull into you
unkempt pagoda
did you have the cast embedded in you
junior harbor
It applies Boiling Blood, the same as your talent
unkempt pagoda
green border around the sides
spare flare
I don't think . . . Maybe? Maybe . . . Holy potatoes, he gets double damage off his own Boiling Blood?
unkempt pagoda
yep!
spare flare
What other talents does he have that are broken as heck and not divulged to the player?
unkempt pagoda
if you get hit by a cast, either dodge very well or run until the cast dislodges
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
unkempt pagoda
What other talents does he have that are broken as heck and not divulged to the player?
there's one more, but that's a bit of a spoiler
also, when you get hit by his cast, there's a little "Boiling Blood!" popup that appears
junior harbor
legit took me until 100+ hours in to notice that.
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
junior harbor
actually never would have noticed that if my friend didn't point it out
unkempt scroll
Wooh, second wave + sea storm
spare flare
I did notice it, but didn't think on it much. Double is a lot more than out 50%, anyway.
junior harbor
wait I thought its 50% dmg, not double
unkempt pagoda
50%'s the max for zag's boiling
spare flare
So, what's the spoilery one? This channel allows those. If you're still not comfy putting it here, DM me.
unkempt pagoda
spoilery for any new players that would want to look in here
spare flare
Yeah, Zag gets 50%. Hades does 40 damage on an attack regularly, and 76 is much higher than 60.
unkempt pagoda
||his 2nd phase is arguably a death defiance||
spare flare
Oh, that. Okay, fair.
unkempt pagoda
have you done em4
junior harbor
prob should stay ouf this channel if you don't want to get spoiled on it.
spare flare
I already saw, but thanks.
unkempt pagoda
there's one more thing that i could argue is an interpretation of a mirror talent
junior harbor
It's pretty hype, but pretty awful for heat, in terms of risk vs reward(amount of heat from enabling it)
unkempt pagoda
the ||slowing aura around the skulls could be hades' version of abyssal blood, but it's a little bit of a stretch||
robust anchor
would like a prequel where we play as hades beating up the titans and getting along with his brothers 🥺
and watching him and persephone fall in luv 🥺
rare kayak
em4 is hard
unkempt scroll
When your base dmg with bow is 160, but your aspect of chiron special still is the main dmg 😂
rare kayak
havent beaten it yet but i also did turn it on when i swapped from 13 to 20 hear
spare flare
Eh, I would agree that that's a big stretch.
brittle vault
okay, i feel like a dumb-dumb here, but how do you read the damage reduction formula
cunning urchin
DR is multiplicative. So DR1 * DR2 * DR3 etc.
unkempt pagoda
Damage reductions are multiplicative. Example: a player has the following sources of damage reductions:
18% from Bronze Skin
30% from a Rank 3 Myrmidon Bracer
The player will take (1 - 18%) × (1 - 30%) = 57.4% damage from foes.
from the wiki
cunning urchin
HP / (1 - DR1 * DR2 * . . . * DRX) = effective HP
That's a more interesting number, usually.
Wait no. Errr.
No, should be right.
raw lake
Anyone got a good secret shield build for me?
raw lake
ty
unkempt scroll
Is it possible to disable the visits from Thanatos? -_-
void fjord
no
solid hazel
HP / (1 - DR1 * DR2 * . . . * DRX) = effective HP
@cunning urchin should be hp/((1-dr1)x(1-dr2)x...x(1-drx))
worn crypt
Why would you wanna disable a free heart
cunning urchin
What did Tiny Vermin ever do to you?
worn crypt
I wanna disable dad talking to me at the start of runs. Or at least let me skip it
wet rivet
What did Tiny Vermin ever do to you?
EVERYTHING
opal lodge
when you think its gonna be a 4 sack and tiny vermin is just sitting there at the end of the 4th tunnel
menacingly
wet rivet
exactly what happened
plain mantle
wow ok
wet rivet
"bonjour"-Tiny Vermin
opal lodge
ez choice
plain mantle
i need both
opal lodge
hunting blades
plain mantle
i WANT both lol
opal lodge
freezing vortex is trash hahaha
plain mantle
oh fr
plain mantle
i was gonna do a freezing hunting vortex cast build
opal lodge
so you could keep going for ares/dem boons and hope to get offered it again
plain mantle
they can work together 100% sure
yup i still have ares' keepsake
oh this is gonna be fun
opal lodge
jk they are mutually exclusive
i dont think youll be offered one if you pick the other
weird
opal lodge
wiki says no but if you happen to get it the wiki has been wrong before
plain mantle
alright
im already op anyway. got relentless volley on chiron plus artic blast
i switched to dark foresight and it's much better imo than the olympian favor
opal lodge
sad
anyone have a build where they try to go for sweet nectar in tartarus
those seem fun
but sweet nectar always seems so mediocre
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
gaunt ivy
same here, it also doesn't work with persephone's keepsake
tawdry sleet
If attempting a Poseidon / Zeus duo run with Twin Fists, which boon would you grab for standard attack? and cast?
brittle vault
zeus attack for sure
opal lodge
zeus attack and poseidon dash maybe but it seems kind of awk
like the dash would push enemies out of the way hmm
tawdry sleet
Just trying to think of cool combos for Demeter Fist runs
brittle vault
for demeter fist i think poseidon is a straight up anti synergy
opal lodge
dem fists theres always ME
brittle vault
talos fist with poseidon special is nice if you like pingpong
opal lodge
not sure if by cool you mean novel or hard hitting
brittle vault
because talos lets you bring people in
frosty jolt
Just got the Demeter/Poseidon duo cast for the first time. Was not expecting it to be so good 
On Demeter fists as it happens
brittle vault
i did a demeter fists run earlier, but it actually turned into an attack build with zeus.
tawdry sleet
Any other boon recs for demeter then?
brittle vault
i had uh aphro on the special but i couldn't get much damage out of it
frosty jolt
I had Zeus attack but ended up doing the whole Poseidon dash thing, breaking wave etc
brittle vault
i had the zeus legendary and some other effects, zeus call, damage was really nice
frosty jolt
It's funny how Poseidon dash with a few support boons can pretty much just carry you
untold iris
poseidon is pretty awful for melee builds unless you want to just go all in on knockbacks as your dps
its like actively harmful to your run to have poseidon attack on something like fists if you're not building heavily around it
brittle vault
i've found out a number of anti-synergies the hard way
frosty jolt
Yeah the minute I start picking up Poseidon boons I pretty much decide to abandon my weapon build and just dash around the map to victory
stark ore
Poseidon on Gilga’s attack is pretty good imo, with the extra dashes you can chain dash-strikes and it’s just pretty decent overall
For normal fists it’s hot garbage though
brittle vault
^ i keep saying that
proven osprey
I beat him so I'm ok
cunning urchin
They were worse patches ago lol.
proven osprey
But at a certain angle during phase 3, it just went through
and I was pretty far from it
I mean I can understand taking the dmg if I hug it
They were worse patches ago lol.
@cunning urchin Yeah in general it's ok
wet rivet
real talk, is support fire an instant pick for most build for anyone else?
I just love seeing them arrows just fly out
opal lodge
arthur time
i pick it on most cast builds even if slow
just to maybe get fully loaded
brittle vault
what are you guys' favorite aspects?
opal lodge
especially if im using a nonlodging cast
wet rivet
gilgloves
stark ore
Arthur w/Frost Flourish 
brittle vault
mine are arthur/beowulf
cunning urchin
Support Fire on Beowulf is funny. The arrows fire when you load the casts lol.
opal lodge
just fun
proven osprey
Hey
wet rivet
gilgloves
zeus shield
arthur
lucifer
stark ore
Mine’s Achilles with Hunting Blades/Eris
opal lodge
zeus shield is a weaponized meme
proven osprey
Is Hades' weapon supposed to stay on the ground ?
opal lodge
explosive return time
proven osprey
after being defeated
opal lodge
i think ive had that visual glitch happen to me sometimes
stark ore
I actually really like Zeus shield, with Athena’s special it’s pretty useful
wet rivet
nothing meme about zeus shield lmao
stark ore
Never been able to use Chaos well but that’s just me
wet rivet
it's stronk
opal lodge
like ive never attacked as little as i did during my zeus shield run
just spammed special with explosive return or ran around in circles to keep the shield on a boss
wet rivet
I always pray for the hammer that gives extra damage on two attacks after hitting with the special
merciful end or drunklove is pretty dank combos
opal lodge
merciful end seems good i just didnt get it when i played zeus
robust anchor
actually bananabonkers damage
opal lodge
only thing i wish for zeus shield is if there was an intermediate special press to have it hover in place
idle violet
Any tips for || EM4 ||? Only barely survived until || the third stage || with stubborn roots and running away the entire time. Any tips on || dodging cerb, dodging in the dark and whether his moveset changes during stage 3 || especially appreciated!
opal lodge
but that would probably make it broken
stark ore
If you want you can call it towards you then keep moving to turn it into a pseudo-blade rift but that’s kinda the only use for the recall other than to get it back
opal lodge
@idle violet its mostly just being ready for the double spin and gettin the heck outta dodge
brittle vault
i think there's a corner that is safe from cerberus, the lower right one
idle violet
Ah, I tried top corner but got stabbed the first time
stark ore
Hyper Sprint and Greatest Reflex are really solid for the fight, both let you have a much easier time with dodging and movement
brittle vault
i try to have multiple dodges because that helps so much with hades, much more forgiving
opal lodge
hyper sprint + any aphro effect turns his spear into a wet noodle
brittle vault
but the real solution to the fight if you ask me is to just have a ton of damage and end it before it ends you
the commonality between my most successful wins is just the sheer damage
opal lodge
with arthur you can hyper sprint aphro and hes doing single digit damage to your health pool
idle violet
Good to know, thanks👍
Does his moveset change in the dark? Dodging that was pretty difficult
brittle vault
same moveset as far as i know
just stick to him and if you're afraid he'll use ranged moves stick to the pillars
but you want to be next to him to dps thru his heal and other moves
proven osprey
I'm learning EM4 too
idle violet
Thank you😁
brittle vault
i haven't mastered the fight either
proven osprey
since phase 2 et 3 are identical, just learn the pattern
opal lodge
the spear throw is the hardes to dodge for me
idle violet
Has anyone tried long-ranged bow em4 yet? Aiming in the dark sounds impossible
brittle vault
i don't like the acorn because the adds in phase 1 kill it for me. i much prefer the spearpoint
brittle vault
but if styx didn't have the dumb poison mechanic i might use other heirlooms.
opal lodge
spearpoint doesnt mitigate first hit of dmg though right
brittle vault
yes. it helps in situations where you can get hit multiple times in the span of its protection
bright sandal
Is lightning rod even good on a cast build? I try and pick up my casts as quick as possible
opal lodge
i dont mind having it id just rather have something else
like if im doing zeus/poseidon/art either of the other two duos are leaps and bounds better
sometimes i just take it if theres nothing better to remove it from the duo pool
drifting vale
@idle violet i've done it once basically you gotta just watch what direction the stuff comes at you from also helps to keep a mental map of where he could be (if you play chess same idea as planning out opponents moves)
lost badger
Is rama attack worth the charge time? All the internet guides say use just the special, but that’s pre-1.0. Not sure if there have been balance changes since then.
idle violet
Will try to pay more attention and learn his positioning then
hearty elbow
Is rama attack worth the charge time? All the internet guides say use just the special, but that’s pre-1.0. Not sure if there have been balance changes since then.
@lost badger It has been been buffed, and you are mostly correct for Blood Price, but just in general, really take internet guides with a grain of a salt. Or like, a mountain.
torpid wren
... only using rama special? that doesn't sound fun
hearty elbow
Rama was... not good pre-1.0 lol
I was stubborn and hipster and forced it to work, along with horheristo, but... yeah
Rama special was (and still is) insane though
deft halo
robust anchor
art or aph attack and art or athe dash and ares or dio special
shared suffering only affects your attack
the special isnt so important tbh but those two gods are juicy
opal lodge
the dio/art duo boon on that is 👌
hearty elbow
It is global crit, yes
Just like Pressure Points
And the reason you put damagin statuses on your special is that you need to use it anyway, it ricochets, and it does no damage. It's the lowest-opportunity cost status ability in the game.
With Relentless Volley it's just the best status spreader period
robust anchor
ezpz
mighty ermine
it's mutually exclusive with hunting blades so... not really
weak garnet
The first time I'm using hidden aspect of gun and I get Pos attack buff first boon - Loving it
robust anchor
hydro pump peepohappy
weak garnet
I hope I get the seeking arrow boon but Idk if arty is smilin' on me this run
I imagine zeus and dem would be good with lazer too
cunning urchin
@limber flax you want to prioritize Storm Lightning if you're going Lightning Strike because that's a requirement for his Legendary.
opal lodge
wait if you take zeus attack with eris im p sure you want storm lightning
yeah what nyaa said
opal lodge
my b
but yeah jolted shouldnt matter if youre doing eris
because you should (theoretically) kill things faster than they can attack
wet rivet
how to build rama: twin + explosive
proven osprey
hey guys, aphro/arte is a classic dmg build right
But with high base dmg weapon, is Artemis better than Aphro as a main source of dmg ?
I'm thinking about Sword 4th, or even lance 4th with the right hammer
maybe Hestia
fierce thicket
Aphro is more consistent + weak but both work
proven osprey
yeah I get that
but the difference between lance 4th aphro and arte struck me
especially with heart rend and the hammer that empowers the special even more
spare scaffold
I got Arthur and it's really fun but oh boy I need some tips on how to use this thing
proven osprey
For a Chiron build, I tested both and ok
solid portal
I have 19 blood saved and Guan YU just opened for me. What is your favorite aspect?
spare scaffold
I figured I can use the special as a deceleration zone with the damage reduction aura being a bonus mainly
But the sluggish animation definitely makes dodging anything harder
solid portal
I'm so afraid to spend this blood lol. I do love spear and fists though
proven osprey
@cunning urchin May I have your thoughts on this subject ?
cunning urchin
My thoughts on?
proven osprey
On aphro/arte as I described it. I thought they were equivalent
but I don't know if it is the case when you have a high base dmg weapon such as Arthur or GY special (with that sweet hammer)
and in that case, Arte would be better
cunning urchin
Base damage is not really a factor since it's the same for both.
cunning urchin
Number of hits only lowers the variance in crit DPS, but it's irrelevant for average DPS.
Deadly Strike needs t2 crit boons and additional +% damage sources to overtake Heartbreak Strike. Heartbreak Strike leads from the start and keeps getting further ahead with poms and rarity bonus thanks to way better scaling.
cunning urchin
That's even more-so the case when the aspect already has crit chance, so Nemesis or the Zagreus Aspect of Coronacht.
worn citrus
In your opinion, what's the worst duo boon in general?
proven osprey
Yeah when crit is already here I pick aphro for sure
aaah
I don't know. Friend of mine cleared a run, dealing 650 per special with GY
cunning urchin
I'd take the Arrowhead into Tartarus for Guan Yu.
proven osprey
I was at 380, sometimes critting up to 1k3
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
unkempt scroll
Is it worth switching out 15% crit chance + 45% dmg for +109% dmg/deflect?
unkempt scroll
Battle rage?
proven osprey
yeah you can see that on the screenshot
I guess it helps a little bit to do a fat crit right
solid portal
I don't udnerstand the aspect of posiedon it seems underwhelming what am I missing?
unkempt scroll
What is it you don't understand?
solid portal
what is the benefit of dislodge
lethal dock
it's pretty good. try to get the artemis cast dislodge boon with it.
lethal dock
they dislodge immediately instead of taking a bit
solid portal
wouldnt I watn them stuck for the dmg bonus?
right but don't they take more dmg lodged
unkempt scroll
You don't need to focus on that
fierce thicket
You get your shots back faster so you can cast them more frequently, exit wounds is more damage on top
lethal dock
there is that mirror upgrade, sure. you could use the other one instead with that sword.
fierce thicket
It's for cast builds
drifting vale
Also good for infernal soul mirror to just keep using your cast
solid portal
right
makes sense
ive just been focused on ensuring I keep them lodged in lately
to round out my mechanics
I guess going to other route could be fun
solid portal
about to say f it and go guan yu full on but eveyone talks about ARthur
I hate the sword though
so basic
@drifting vale didnt realize it doesnt stack, there is a boon that bonsu dmg when your out of them
but I think the can be laying down for that too
drifting vale
Ravenous will yeah
solid portal
THe problem is I love all the weapons
except the sword
and I have to blow 5 blood for Arthur is my guess
drifting vale
Theres also that zeus duo that strikes near dislodged bloodstones
solid portal
in sowrd
drifting vale
Even level 1 Arthur is really good
solid portal
that reminds me of the zues duo with dio
the cloud with lighting and get the shiled that has extra after bull rush crazy aoe
weak garnet
I think Demeter dio duo is dope
drifting vale
If you want a fun sword build I'd recommend nemesis aspect with the dash nova hammer
solid portal
that sounds great
drifting vale
Just zoom around crit everything
cunning ibex
so
solid portal
love that
cunning ibex
the bow. is point blank just entirely useless?
opal lodge
no
drifting vale
Not at all
solid portal
NO
opal lodge
point blank twin shot
cunning ibex
you gotta be like right next to an enemy and even then you get a tiny little aoe
opal lodge
big numbor
drifting vale
Thats like saying sniper shot is bad
It's not bad you just have to be willing to use how it wants
It may be bad for your playstyle but it is not bad
cunning ibex
i dont even know how it works
drifting vale
More damage in front of you
Basically charge the bow shot and up to the first arrow has bonus damage
So ideally charge shot safely dash into and enemy and dash out
cunning ibex
that makes more sense
drifting vale
Glad i could help maybe youll try it out next time
cunning ibex
i mean it's what i picked
the rest were related to special and i'm not a huge fan of the bow's special
drifting vale
Ah then hope it works out for you
cunning ibex
it's good for blanket applying effects. I'll give it that
drifting vale
Yeah thats why most people use chiron or rama for their specials
marsh pumice
I use zag for Special, just shotgun enemies in back
drifting vale
Understandable
cunning ibex
my favorite use for zag bow special is with doom
rush into a group. special. back out. shoot some arrows
drifting vale
Sure that works pretty well too
marsh pumice
add charged volley and it's melt everything
cunning ibex
with any luck half of them die from the doom
opal lodge
theres an indicator for both the close range and sniper shot
its like a little arrow in your charge animation
anything before it is "close range" and anything past it is "distant"
strange adder
has anyone else tried out the aspect of lucifer plus Divine Strike before and does it behave the way you expected? I'm firing beam weapon with deflect at a Witch but their bullets go past it and hit me.
I thought it'd be a fun way to counteract projectile enemies but it's hard to figure out how it works
unkempt pagoda
the actual deflective range is right next to zag, unfortunately
it does look cool though
unkempt scroll
I'm about to try EM3 for the first time, and I have 1 dash with sturdy...
I don't know what I was thinking about, but it's not the best combo to practice on EM and then switch mirror effects for the prophecy...
cunning urchin
EM3 FO2 with 1 dash on Malphon is lol.
unkempt zephyr
EM3 FO2 with 1 dash on Malphon is lol.
@cunning urchin all my life in one phrase🤣
rugged wave
wtf is an ambiguity bonus?
willow fossil
is nothing
rugged wave
wow thanks bouldy
willow fossil
you just got bouldy'd
unkempt scroll
Why the hell do I keep doing hundred of dmg on Theseus without him dying?
sweet dust
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this kind of question, but I was looking to find some kind of build generator online so that you could plan out different boons you'd like to get, see how the numbers stack up, etc. I couldn't find one, so being a programmer I thought it would be a fun challenge to make my own. Does anyone know if the data for the game is accessible via some kind of API? I can recreate all the boon data on my own, but using data that is already made would be a huge help
onyx parcel
I’d suppose the boon infos and scaling are in the files
willow fossil
oh thats you meant?
sweet dust
Sure yeah it is offline, but sometimes dev companies make information like that read accessible to the public
willow fossil
there's a google doc with the scaling somewhere
sweet dust
ok cool
onyx parcel
I don’t believe there is an official place to see all the boon scaling
But I know players have made documents themselves
sweet dust
Gotcha. I kind of figured that would be the conclusion, but just thought that I would check anyway. Thanks!
onyx parcel
Yep 👍
rugged wave
maybe ask the devs?
willow fossil
dont know if this is what youre asking
or if its 100% correct
but is as close as you can get for now
proper aspen
Perfect Shot or Flurry Shot for Bow of Chiron?
cerulean jewel
I was curious about that scaling, was pretty sure that I saw a Drunken Strike get "upgraded" from 5 damage to 5 damage with a rarity bump from Eurydice
willow fossil
flurry shot sucks with chiron
unkempt pagoda
flurry for faster targeting
hearty elbow
No, it's still sucks lol, that's just the only use case
unkempt pagoda
^
rancid shard
how does chaos legendary interact with stubborn defiance?
unkempt pagoda
i'd rather target something faster than get better damage out of the thing that just targets
hearty elbow
Best way possible
hearty elbow
Oh, nvm, that is better, I need to dream bigger
rancid shard
lol
hearty elbow
No, you get a DD for the rest of the run, along with your SD
Identical to Athena's DDs, but you don't need to have an empty SD slot
rancid shard
ah ok, that's pretty good too
junior harbor
aight. Now i gotta ask, Which do you prefer, Controller, or Keyboard+Mouse?
(question is for everyone)
hearty elbow
pad gang
junior harbor
Side note, one of my favorite things about communities like these is beginning to recognize all the regulars.
next remnant
I'm KBM
I might swap over if I get the Switch port though, to have some sort of carry-over skills
hearty elbow
it's played astonishingly well for me on the side joycons
jaunty locust
oh, I was hoping the triple shot for the hidden rail aspect would mean I could get triple damage point blank
I don't
junior harbor
Favorite meme builds? Or just builds that are fun on non-high heat?
unkempt zephyr
Favorite meme builds? Or just builds that are fun on non-high heat?
@junior harbor fireman build
red scroll
my favorite meme build is:
- 100% dmg, extra speed on Pact
- Maim claws
- Charm call, Smoldering Air
junior harbor
I have to know what this fireman build is.
unkempt zephyr
Lucifer. Poseidon attack =>sea storm
junior harbor
yikes
Funny enough, I'm currrently darkness farming and Rail is the weapon with the darkness boost on it rn.
hearty elbow
Theseus nightmare came true. You blackguard
junior harbor
Yikes. First room, triple-beam on igneus, then 2 rooms later, epic-posideon attack.
The game must have heard you recommending the build and was like, "I got u fam"
jaunty locust
oh wow
north panther
I was expecting Cold Embrace to either pierce enemies, have a bigger beam, or like, aim at stuff near me or have an AoE centered on me...I am extremely disappointed :c
jaunty locust
yeah triple beam with poseidon attack is EXACTLY where you wanna be. I got normal triple beam, but it doesn't uhh. It doesn't hit three times as hard if you're point blank, which, honestly, is the right choice
junior harbor
I was just thinking "haha more water beams goes fwshh"
I just got the 25k darkness UI today, so all that's left is to farm titles.
sweet blade
what are the requirements for unlocking each weapons last aspect? I found differing information on several sites
hearty elbow
The one in #h1-story-discussion sticky is accurate
tl;dr Get Achilles to fess up about Guan Yu
jaunty locust
Ohhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhh wow okay so I'm doing a luci run and I saw the poseidon attack on it and... so you can just hose people down against a wall and get endless wallslam can't you
jaunty locust
yeah hahaha
I'm currently trying to snag the last couple required prophecy things, and TWO of them are poseidon related (his call's modifier and the duo with artemis)
and this is one of the "oh, okay, I actually want poseidon on my attack" weapons
junior harbor
@unkempt zephyr omg. This is nutty. I got Sea Storm, Second Wave, and Zeus Legendary
This fireman build is lit
orchid marlin
What are the recommended mirror talents? I usually run default except for Family Favorite, the boons reroll and dark foresight. Sometimes run regen casts as well and then run the single dodge with the 4th fistd aspect
junior harbor
very good meme tho
unkempt zephyr
i know) but its fun build)
jaunty locust
hold on. Divine flourish. Does that mean I can throw out an orb and it's just an automatic reflector as long as it's active?
junior harbor
yep
junior harbor
same with zeus shield
unkempt zephyr
I have another fun build called: daddy eat my balls.
Becaus athena cast its ball)
you need Ahillies spear. athena cast. zeus and artemis some were. and Duo Zeus +athena,Duo Athena + artemis.+ mark(with 2-3 poms in) from artemis. and try find artemis legendary.
fun too)
lone lava
Do you guys know if the hermes boon swift strike increases the charge speed of attack on bow? (specifically rama)
jaunty locust
yes yes YES YES okay I just saw the best thing
I saved it. I had the little uhh, athena orb up from luci
and there were the pots that shoot mines
but it kept bouncing off the wall, bouncing back, and then getting bounced AGAIN
so there was this shadow just whipping back and forth
rupture does SO much damage
wicked horizon
Do you guys know if the hermes boon swift strike increases the charge speed of attack on bow? (specifically rama)
@lone lava yes increased attack speed increases charge speed on charged attacks
lone lava
Thank you 
wicked horizon
What are the recommended mirror talents? I usually run default except for Family Favorite, the boons reroll and dark foresight. Sometimes run regen casts as well and then run the single dodge with the 4th fistd aspect
@orchid marlin Stygian Soul is good for any build just using casts for utility and burning blood, means you always have a stone ready when you want to cast. % gold gain each region give greater returns overall unless you're aggressively hitting up shops. I like Family Favorite over Privileged Status so I don't have to sweat keeping debuffs up. God's legacy is very strong as duos and legendary boons can be super broken while epics are generally 1-2 poms better than rares at best.
Fated Authority is way stronger then Fated Persuasion tho
orchid marlin
Really? Can't you not reroll blue to gold rooms? I thought they were kinda useless.
opal lodge
i prefer starting gold over % gold just because gold is (relatively speaking) more valuable to have in tartarus than later
and i feel like fated authority gives me more consistency with a lower ceiling
could just be me though
wicked horizon
Really? Can't you not reroll blue to gold rooms? I thought they were kinda useless.
@orchid marlin you can't reroll blue to gold but you can reroll pom/coin/heart to boon, and you can reroll key/gem/darkness into nectar for the pom buff. I generally get at least two extra boons out of styx with it plus some good value earlier too
neat hound
Are there any tips for 32 heat ?
wicked horizon
You can also fairly reliably get around 3 boons of the same type in styx to dig for specific duos and legendaries
Are there any tips for 32 heat ?
@neat hound #h1-high-heat-strategies
lone lava
I find the boon rerolling to be much stronger personally
Since you pretty much always force 2 gods in tart and asphodel
wicked horizon
If it didn't escalate in cost each time you do it sequentially. And only come with 4.max
lone lava
It makes pulling together the build you aimed for much easier, mainly when you have a duo in mind
wicked horizon
Too often I find I reroll and still don't get the boon I need, and double reroll is 3 total cost so basically blows your budget
And you end up with way less flexibility in styx
opal lodge
i usually find my duo by asphodel in a decent run
and just accept certain death if i dont have my build pulled together by styx
nova rivet
lol imagine having a build in mind
bright sandal
Just got to the Charon fight for the first time. Absolutely destroyed me. Ended my 18 win streak. Why does he hit so hard? His patterns aren't even that hard but he two shots each DD for me.
worn crypt
Are you able to get dup boons from trials? What if it's the duo of the two gods in the trials?
worn crypt
That was my suspicion. Thanks!
unkempt pagoda
i mean, it's been confirmed ever since they put it in the patch notes 😛
untold iris
boon rerolling is really good imo
its so much easier when you force a god and find the boon you're looking for at the start of a run
like, being able to reroll rooms but not having zeus attack on rail is infinitely worse than being able to guarantee zeus attack on rail and not being able to reroll rooms
deep dome
Ok. I'm at the 32 heat frustration point.
I love me some Hades spear.
I don't want to do Shield.
Any opinions on what a heat loadout looks like?
I can clear up to 24-ish but the thing that stops me is Damage Control, and that feels dumb.
because I can't stop being a stupid AoE boi.
calm saddle
if ur struggling with single target DMG maybe switch aspects?
deep dome
I think I'm struggling with double benefits package, and I'm sure there are ways around it.
I'm mostly just raging. Sorry.
I'm 4 runs into "almost make it to dad, die horribly, feel bad" and I'm looking for the tweaks that can make it better.
Aspect of Hades is definitely my best/most comfortable run. Zeus Shield is probably 2nd, with Zag gun as 3rd.
very different, I know.
untold iris
i think its really important to take heat that synergizes with your playstyle and weapon
calm saddle
^^^
untold iris
like damage control is really trivial for some weapons but basically ends runs for other weapons
deep dome
(sorry proxy)