@ashen pendant try changing your button layout? I have Cast on LB on my Xbox One pad when I play Shield 4.
@cunning urchin
Good idea
#h1-builds-and-combat
ashen pendant
primal hazel
Well you just used regular spear
You usually need to heavily build around casts
Otherwise there just a side thing as you said
ashen pendant
I restarted and haven't really upgraded much
cunning urchin
@sour bramble somebody summarized all the stuff I explained yesterday about damage calculation. #h1-builds-and-combat message
sly night
pog dude
cunning urchin
There's also that.
primal hazel
Nothing about how crit chance is calced tho it seems
cunning urchin
Crit chance is additive.
marsh pumice
there is no bad builds on low heat 
primal hazel
The critical chance from different sources are additive. e.g.:
An Attack from a rank 5 Heart-Seeking Bow's Aspect of Zagreus has +10% crit chance.
A Pressure Point boon of Epic rarity grants +5% crit chance
Together, they grant 15% crit chance per attack.
Only when the critical hit check succeeds, the critical
sly night
this game kinda ruined poe's movement for me
primal hazel
@sour bramble Where did you get your 150 crit from then?
sour bramble
okay, maybe 150 was a bit of a stretch
sly night
If you only die on the final boss death's defiance bonus damage is good xD
marsh pumice
Vicious Skewer is +50% Critical chance on recovery
sly night
recovery?
sour bramble
yeah, when you pull the spear back
toss>recall
50% extra damage and 50% crit chance on the recovery
versed quest
someone knows what "concentrated volley" actually does?
marsh pumice
more damage
versed quest
yeah, but it scales in the chamber as long as you dont miss?
primal hazel
On successive hits
versed quest
or as long as you hit the same dude?
primal hazel
It scales per enemie doesn't it?
lone lava
No it's from one special
versed quest
yeah but what is succesive
primal hazel
Same dude I think
versed quest
but does it disapper if I miss?
lone lava
Wha
primal hazel
It only works on 1 salvi
versed quest
or it just doesnt scale that time?
primal hazel
After that it resets
lone lava
It doesn't keep ramping up more and more
versed quest
salvi you mean chamber?
lone lava
It's separate for each use of special
primal hazel
Every time you press the special button it resets
versed quest
then it sucks right?
cunning urchin
@sour bramble there was a bug before the patch yesterday that made Deadly Flourish + Vicious Skewer have way lower crit chance than expected. They fixed that in the test-branch but introduced a new crit bug. Both bugs are supposedly fixed in the current live build. But if you think your crit chance isn't right, you should do a bug report with F10 in game to let them know. 
Maybe something broke again that slipped by.
marsh pumice
no, it's great
versed quest
+3 dmg in one special doesnt seem to be good
primal hazel
There's better options but it doesn't suck
lone lava
Like if I stand right behind someone and special them and hit with all arrows, first one does normal dmg, 2nd one does +3 more, third one does +3 more than that so +6, etc
cloud barn
its +3 BASE DAMAGE
versed quest
even if you woulb have hit evry singleone
cloud barn
before percent bonuses
lone lava
Ffs
primal hazel
Chill maybe english is not his native language
lone lava
How many arrows in your special
primal hazel
Each arrow of your special that hits 1 enemy increases the next special arrows damage
That only counts for that special press for that enemy
versed quest
oh, ok
lone lava
Tbh I don't even remember how many there are hahaha, the patch only gave chiron one extra right
So base bow is like 9 arrows I think
cunning urchin
Base bow is 9, Chiron shoots 8.
lone lava
So 84 extra base dmg I belive
cunning urchin
Concentrated Volley adds 84 base damage to Chiron. That more than doubles your
base damage—assuming all arrows hit the same target.
lone lava
Yep 3+6+9+12+15+18+21
unkempt zephyr
i try crit builds.some thing wrong realy.i dont know but artemis not good.
primal hazel
But the hammer that gives you additional shots should still be better right?
Comparetively
cinder flower
I feel like pinball chaos shield is better than dion now
marsh pumice
you just take both hammers
primal hazel
Pinball? Dreaded flight on chaos is trash
cinder flower
stack a ton of posiden with zues duo and jolted, double knock back, watch everything slam into walls and die
primal hazel
The additional shields don't bounce tho so where's the point
primal hazel
Regular shield is better for that
prime wigeon
Going to try out Chiron for the first time, anything i should grab typically?
primal hazel
Dreaded refers to bounce between enemies
You shotgun chaos
I mean you can make it work but then don't take additional bounces
cunning urchin
@prime wigeon Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, Heart Rend.
primal hazel
Saws all
cunning urchin
Alternatively: Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend.
unkempt zephyr
I dont know. But artimis now weaker than befor. old build dont work good now. problem what was in tech blanch was fixed(100% crit cance on artemis).But after than artemis stop do usual crits. crit now very rare
its feels....weaker than befor
cunning urchin
I did two builds with Deadly Flourish in the current version, and it was fine.
marsh pumice
you just spoiled yourself with 100% crit
unkempt zephyr
some one feel this?
cinder flower
chrion bow had 100% crit chance?
unkempt zephyr
you just spoiled yourself with 100% crit
@marsh pumice im spoil bug from test brance.
@cunning urchin do you try crit builds after last patch? (artemis attack and special)
unique lichen
what do people like doing with spear, i have yet to find a build or aspect that really works for me
marsh pumice
Spear 4 and just Spin to win 
unkempt zephyr
becaus i try builds with mark on spear. and on luci. crits rare holy cow
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Maybe Hunter's Mark was bugged and it's back to normal?
It worked normal for me.
wide plover
if first boon I see is say Zeus, does picking his keepsake drastically increase the rarity of offered boons? or is it entirely random, when you get common boons or a bunch of rare+epic ones (in a normal room)?
prime wigeon
@cunning urchin Thanks, should I bring rose and arrowhead in that case? Or something else?
cunning urchin
Yes. Those two.
I use Eternal Rose first, Pointed Arrowhead second.
But either way works tbh.
prime wigeon
Alright, thanks
cunning urchin
Or just get lucky like I did yesterday, and get Heart Rend as your third boon in Tartarus. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/765686730069114920/Hades_946.png?width=841&height=473
I did need to reroll, though.
unkempt zephyr
ok i find whats wrong. i go in supprot.
worn citrus
So Chiron special got nerfed damage but more hits. I feel like depending on your build that one's kind of a buff.
cunning urchin
It's a nerf. It's still top tier, though.
worn citrus
How big was the damage nerf?
Also if you go zeus or demeter wouldn't more hits help your dps more? Since it's a set damage per hit.
cunning urchin
Down to 80 from 105.
Thunder Flourish has an ICD. It procs only once per enemy every 200 ms.
cunning urchin
Frost Flourish relies on base damage.
worn citrus
Yeah, but I meant if you have that uhh
Arctic blast on 10 stacks
Not that I typically went demeter.
cunning urchin
Hmmm hard to say if it's a buff or a nerf for that. I'd lean towards nerf, though.
You're still only proccing it on your 2nd and 3rd Volley.
worn citrus
True. It's up to 9 hits from 7, yeah?
worn citrus
Oh. Not as good as I thought then
cunning urchin
But your base damage will be lower.
So it should end up being a nerf.
Maybe on bosses it would be a buff, but that seems unlikely.
worn citrus
Yeah, true. I don't think it would end up offsetting the nerf then
Same with Ares doom stack
cunning urchin
But faster application of Chill could help, anyway.
Not in terms of DPS but utility.
worn citrus
Mm
I vastly preferred Chiron to Hera before patch. We'll see if I change my mind now.
willow fossil
Man I seriously loved the concept of pom blossom but every time I used it, it just upgraded the same boon over and over
Id love if it was random
cunning urchin
It should be random.
cunning urchin
F10 if it isn't.
willow fossil
Thats how is meant to be
cunning urchin
Take the Conch Shell into Tartarus if you're farming.
marsh pumice
and Chaos
cunning urchin
I never bothered farming for Darkness.
willow fossil
Cast
cunning urchin
Cast, yeah.
frozen dock
im running dio cast rn
cunning urchin
Passion Flare + Infernal Soul.
Oh.
Stygian Soul then for Trippy Flare.
Aim for Ice Wine.
Charged Flight is still the #1 hammer, though.
frozen dock
ice wine sounds good
cunning urchin
Ideally with Heartbreak Flourish.
frozen dock
why charged flight tho
cunning urchin
Because it triples your special base damage.
willow fossil
The hammer that turns bull rush into a ranged shot makes it hera lmao
frozen dock
mhmm so charged flight/dio cast/aphro special
what about other hammer? thinking bullrush speed charged faster
cunning urchin
Charged Flight on Beowulf was the best hammer in the game pre-1.0 when it was still +400% base damage.
+200% base damage now is a lot less, but it's still super strong.
Just try different hammers and see what you're most comfortable with.
frozen dock
dread flight work with charged flight or not
unkempt pagoda
it does
cunning urchin
Yeah, but I can't stand Dread Flight.
Shield throw bounces have a tendency to bounce towards nothing in particular.
So more bounces mean more whiffs.
covert hatch
Question: Rocket Bomb on Eris, yay or nay?
cunning urchin
That just wastes time, and you can't Dragon Rush or anything while waiting for your shield to return.
@covert hatch yes, but what are the other options?
covert hatch
Delta Chamber and Piercing Fire
cunning urchin
Delta Chamber.
covert hatch
I thought Delta Chamber was bad
cunning urchin
You thought wrong.
covert hatch
Rather, that seemed to be the sentiment when I looked in here
cunning urchin
Reloads waste time.
covert hatch
What was the change?
unkempt pagoda
much faster burst fire, and cooldown between bursts is much less
covert hatch
Nice
cunning urchin
Eris melts absolutely everything as long as you can attack.
marsh pumice
and if you have more dashes it's even better
cunning urchin
So any time you have to reload, you're not murdering everything in sight.
covert hatch
Yeah Eris is indeed filthy
cunning urchin
@unkempt zephyr aaahhhh, so the problem is with Hangover crits now? Got it.
sonic merlin
Can I get an explanation on how to effectively use Eris? I have only one blood in it but it seems... weak? Do I need a bigger investment to see the improvement?
cunning urchin
Eris is easily the best aspect in the game right now.
Build is just Lightning Reflex and you're set.
sonic merlin
15% increase hasn’t been doing much for me
cunning urchin
It's +75% at max level.
unkempt zephyr
@unkempt zephyr aaahhhh, so the problem is with Hangover crits now? Got it.
@cunning urchin yup...and i sad....
Lovely build holy cow....
cunning urchin
I hope they fix this soon.
cunning urchin
You get 2 Titan Blood per clear.
sonic merlin
I haven’t been able to kill Hades yet so maybe it picks up later
I’m at maybe 30 runs?
cunning urchin
Ahhh, yeah the game opens up a lot after your first clear.
sly night
No aspect
https://i.imgur.com/xDsTDQB.png
jolly osprey
You can get blood from 1st and 4th boss. Buying in Styx for 1200 coins, or through trading.
sly night
these all look really good
jolly osprey
I usually go for Bull Rush because of Elysium
sonic merlin
Breaching rush isn’t very good
cunning urchin
@sonic merlin there's a #h1-for-new-players channel if you want to get help with things without spoilers. There's also a basic build guide for new players pinned in that channel.
unkempt zephyr
I hope they fix this soon.
@cunning urchin yup becaus my dirty idea be chiron dio crit build. with aphro on attack and dio on special. and dio alone do great damage.but in build attack of Aphro start have 12+ crit chance. image deadly strike with aphro attack bonus
sonic merlin
Depends on what level you are in
sly night
lvl 1
sonic merlin
@cunning urchin At this point I’ve encountered almost every character, I don’t anticipate a lot of spoilers
cunning urchin
Yeah, I wanted to look more into hangover + crit builds . . .
split wharf
I'd usually pick Pulverizing and build around that I think
Breach is good if you usually have troubles in Elysium
cunning urchin
I like Breaching Rush. I'd probably take that.
Anything that melts armor is good.
split wharf
Not a huge fan of Dread Flight, personally
unkempt zephyr
and i wana do this becaus now Chiron have 8 arrows. its mean full 8 stack of hangover in duo aphro +dio.
cunning urchin
Yeah, I can't stand Dread Flight, personally.
sly night
I took pulverizing blow because it seems easy to build around
sonic merlin
@cunning urchin Why do you recommend lightning on gun over Ares, Artemis, or Demeter?
cunning urchin
Some people really like it, though.
split wharf
Unless I'm already doing special things in a build, I don't take it
sly night
Would you take 58% attack damage or 70% more obols from chaos
split wharf
Even if I'm building for special, I still might not
sly night
im on floor 2
split wharf
Damage
sonic merlin
I’m looking at your guide now btw
split wharf
But it depends
cunning urchin
Because Lightning Strike doubles your Attack damage even at common.
sly night
I took the double attack thing
sonic merlin
The only issue I have with Lightning Attack is it is a flat buff to damage
cunning urchin
Yes.
split wharf
It gets outscaled, potentially
sonic merlin
It doesn’t scale as well as % buffs
primal hazel
Dread flight is iffy
You have to build with it in mind imo
split wharf
Yeah I would never pick Dread Flight on level 1 I think
cunning urchin
+% attack boons are only relevant on Exagryph if you get Spread Fire.
cosmic jackal
Which guide is this btw? Sometimes when I try new builds I don't have any idea what to prioritize.
cunning urchin
Otherwise, nothing comes close to Lightning Strike.
split wharf
Oh, for Exa?
split wharf
Yeah I think you can make a very strong case for lightning there
sonic merlin
@sly night I like Pulverizing Blow personally. I think attack on Shield is underrated. If you can push an enemy into a wall you do a lot of damage.
cunning urchin
Eris + Lightning Strike is the strongest build in the game right now.
sonic merlin
The reason I like Artemis on high attack speed weapons is more crit opportunities
split wharf
That doesn't matter all that much since there isn't actually a lot that rewards frequent crits, no?
Is there anything other than the mark?
sonic merlin
It’s a 15% chance base I believe
cunning urchin
@sonic merlin that only reduces variance, zero effect on average DPS.
unkempt zephyr
Eris + Lightning Strike is the strongest build in the game right now.
@cunning urchin Another was Crit dio. but its more comlicated.but more powerfull....
and broken now...
split wharf
Yeah, and to be fair reducing variance can be useful vs normal enemies
But I don't think it's a big draw
sonic merlin
If you crit 15% of the time and you have a higher attack speed doesn’t that raise your average DPS?
cunning urchin
I mean, average DPS would still be way lower than Lightning Strike.
split wharf
No
sonic merlin
Or am I misunderstanding this.
sonic merlin
Ok I’ll take your word for it lol
Crit chance is multiplicative, btw right? So it’s not an additive stack to the sword aspect?
split wharf
It does not raise your DPS with a fast weapon (you get more crits overall, but each crit adds less damage)
cunning urchin
Crit chance is additive.
primal hazel
Other options raise your average dps more imo
If you do 15 dmg f.e. 3x isn't as much
You benefit more from flat dmg
sonic merlin
I see
primal hazel
But if you do 200 in a bit that's already 600 without any boon
split wharf
Well, if you do 15 damage you probably have a fast attack
The speed or power of your attacks do not matter for crits, only dps
A fast weapon gives a higher frequency of crits, which can help with some stuff like the marking boon
primal hazel
But to reach the 600 dance threshold of 1 you'd have to crit every attack and have like 10+ hits in 2 secs
It just gives you more less impactful crits
unkempt zephyr
I mean, average DPS would still be way lower than Lightning Strike.
@cunning urchin Nope.Dio crit much High. i test it.becaus record and compare with each other on bosses. when i just face tank they. And Dio crit dps alote High.but Dio crit need 3 gods and 2duos. minimum.
sonic merlin
The other thing I wish I had a handy cheat sheet for, aside from damage calculations between various boons, was which boons get the most improvement by being higher rarity comparatively. Never know if the Eurydice thing is worth it.
primal hazel
And aphro or playing for curse does more for you then
split wharf
Yeah, but that doesn't matter if the DPS is the same
cunning urchin
@unkempt zephyr I was talking about Lightning Strike vs Deadly Strike.
primal hazel
Just from hardee's weapon choice
split wharf
My point is that the only metric that matters is here DPS, so we probably agree
unkempt zephyr
opps. sry
primal hazel
Dps is a general damage metric
cunning urchin
@unkempt zephyr no. 🔫
split wharf
For Eurydice, I usually go for rarity-ups if I have lots of pom levels in things
primal hazel
But on that crit on low damage isn't worth it compared to other options for low damage+fast hit weapons
split wharf
Yes, we agree there
unkempt zephyr
But deadly strike good. if you play on special aphro. you take a mark. do attack shots and after BIG BADABOOM with special in marked enemy with crits.
cunning urchin
@split wharf it's dangerous to go alone. Take this! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing
sonic merlin
What “damage” does Eris buff? Does it buff any damage or just attack, special, dash, etc. Is Doom buffed, for instance?
cunning urchin
All damage.
primal hazel
All
split wharf
I prefer to use my gut rather than a sheet haha
The best weapons to go with crits are the ones that are high-risk but high DPS as a result
I would say
cunning urchin
I pinged the wrong person lol.
primal hazel
That's not how that works
sonic merlin
That’s... very good. Ok I understand lightning now
cunning urchin
Let me try again.
primal hazel
But I think I know what you're trying to say
cunning urchin
@sonic merlin it's dangerous to go alone. Take this! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing
primal hazel
Ping all kappa
split wharf
Honestly I wish there was a bit more to reward you for frequent crits so rapidfire crit builds could be more of a thing
cunning urchin
Speaking of pings. @pastel jolt why am I able to ping the Hades Weekly Challenge role? lol
red mist
rama bow: I have been offered epic divine strike, replacing rare deadly strike
primal hazel
Eh that would make other god less impactful
wide plover
my first boon is ares, any weapon suggestions? I don't want to go merciful end fists or hunting blades
red mist
vs bronze skin, epic proud bearing on dio call, and reroll
primal hazel
You could just artemis all then
pastel jolt
I don't actually know 
split wharf
You can all in on a lot of gods, don't really see the issue
unkempt pagoda
divine strike still only deflects along a thin line, as if you were just shooting a normal bow arrow
split wharf
And doing so means no duo
cunning urchin
Yeah, was more a rhetorical question to let you know.
red mist
I'm just asking if it's worth upgrading rarity
cunning urchin
Keep Deadly Strike.
primal hazel
Gods/builds have certain aspects they work better with
Athenas crit is either just additional damage if you take pressure points and support fire or you make a crit build which is worth it on slow weapons
Zeus attack isn't worth it on slow weapons
red mist
epic proud bearing on dio aid isn't particularly impressive but I can sell it I guess
primal hazel
You can make gods technically work on all but the difference is effectiveness
split wharf
Yeah, I agree
cunning urchin
@wide plover go for Curse of Nausea or Curse of Drowning.
split wharf
I'm not saying make her an amazing fast attack goddess, just add like one option there
cunning urchin
She's already amazing for fast attacks, though, yeah.
primal hazel
You can get it with pressure points
split wharf
Well, that's sort of fair
primal hazel
There ya go
Also hunters mark to a small extent
split wharf
I just don't like mark a lot haha
cunning urchin
Deadly Reversal and Splitting Headache can do a lot of work, too.
split wharf
Well, I kind of like it but it doesn't feel right to me that it's the only one if its kind
red mist
the other boons are ass
cunning urchin
What are the other boons?
split wharf
I think I might reroll but idk
primal hazel
Well that's like your problem man xD
Deadly Reversal and Splitting Headache can do a lot of work, too.
@cunning urchin what are those again?
red mist
+cast damage and +cast charge, and I don't do cast things now or probably ever
cunning urchin
Obols then.
split wharf
How many rerolls you got?
cunning urchin
I swear, though, 90% of the time people share only 1 or 2 of the options, it's the options they don't share that they should take lol.
red mist
4
split wharf
I'd reroll for sure
cunning urchin
+70% obols is a lot.
primal hazel
Nah obols are poggers
cunning urchin
Keep your rerolls for Duo Boons.
split wharf
Yeah, but a reroll is super likely to be something good
unkempt zephyr
+70% obols almost negate heat or charon prices (+80)
red mist
the only thing I'd be looking for from chaos is +attack
primal hazel
Also free chambers cause you can take more shops
split wharf
Just as a function of there being tons of great Chaos offerings
Well, if you only care about attack maybe not
primal hazel
Chaos offering are really build dependent
cunning urchin
+70% obols is a great Chaos boon.
red mist
it be
primal hazel
There's a good chance he'll a)not get one b) get less attack boost c)get a bad drawback
cunning urchin
d) not be able to reroll when it matters
primal hazel
Yes
unkempt zephyr
Its insane chaos boon. you can buy almost all if do not have heat about price. In every well.
cunning urchin
Yeah, +70% is amazing.
sour bramble
Like, you have to remember.
sacred owl
for the aspect of Guan Yu can you just unlock 5 different non zagreus aspects or do you have to level them up?
primal hazel
Unlock
sour bramble
+70% is 170 obols per money room.
cunning urchin
Just unlock is fine.
sacred owl
k thanks
sour bramble
That's KINDA nutty.
split wharf
I don't usually go for money rooms at a 100 though
primal hazel
Also way more from troves
sour bramble
Especially early.
primal hazel
Money rooms are almost always worth it
split wharf
Not in my experience
primal hazel
I didn't like money room in the beginning either
But as long as it's not boons you want money is better
split wharf
(If it matters for the context of this conversation, I play at heat 12)
split wharf
May color my perspective one way or another
primal hazel
Doesn't make it more right kappa
sour bramble
If you get Chaos money buff, Bouldie room and then throw on Cthonic Coinpurse when going to Asphodel you'll probably be able to buy out the entire rest of the game if you're passively taking obol rooms too.
split wharf
Nah, I didn't read you that way, just clarifying where I'm coming from
primal hazel
@split wharf oh sry then m8
unkempt pagoda
quick favor
sly night
Athenas aid and quick favor seem pog
split wharf
It's alright, no harm done at all
cunning urchin
I've done 52, which was WR at the time, and still hold the WR for Talos at 45 if it matters to this convo. 👸🏽
split wharf
Quick favor is the auto charge right?
sly night
yeah
primal hazel
Ok calm down xD
primal hazel
Massive rep on the wr tho jesus christ
cunning urchin
Hyper Sprint.
Quick Favor kinda doesn't do much.
Or reroll for Greatest Reflex.
split wharf
Quick favor gets you quick favor though ;_;
cunning urchin
Actually, yeah. Just reroll.
sonic merlin
How does an Ares-attack fist build work? I've got Zag aspect equipped.
primal hazel
How's the sprint buffs from hermes btw? Usually just take additional dashes mostly
cunning urchin
Yes.
Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash, Merciful End.
Just spam Dash-Strikes.
sonic merlin
Got it
sly night
wow that was the fastest ive ever killed a fury
sour bramble
Merciful End is ridiculous if you have divine dash tbh
primal hazel
Works on everything
fair plinth
Um, I noticed an interaction that I'm not entire sure is intended
aspect of archilles spear - you get 4 hits of bonus damage after using the special
sly night
what keepsake would you take with posideon auto and athena dash?
primal hazel
@fair plinth It's literally in the description dude
sly night
wanna buff my auto more
cunning urchin
@primal hazel Deadly Reversal is +20% crit chance after Deflecting (Ladies Athena and Artemis), Splitting Headache is bonus crit chance per Hangover stack (Lady Artemis and Lord Dionysus).
primal hazel
Thanks
cunning urchin
Reading "auto" for Attack makes me cringe. 
sly night
lol its a long engrained habit
cunning urchin
Ain't no auto-attack in Hades.
fair plinth
For archilles spear, if you Special -> Retrieve -> 3 attacks (buffed) ->Special again (also buffed) -> Retrieve
the buff ends right there, it doesn't get refreshed by the second special/retrieve combo?
unkempt pagoda
nope, achilles doesn't refresh the bonus
sour bramble
My go-to keepsake build is god keepsake in Tartarus, god keepsake in Asphodel unless I've got really good econ/chaos buff in which case I'll throw on the coinpurse, then lucky tooth in Elysium and Styx because I find it really easy to get caught out there, and if you manage to have all 4 DDs in the Styx boss it's pretty much a guarenteed win.
unkempt pagoda
you need to go through all 4 boosts before you should rush again
sour bramble
I don't really use mechanical keepsakes much, honestly just go with what your heart feels is right.
cunning urchin
High Heat meta for keepsakes is:
with EM3
god > god > acorn > acorn
god > coin purse > acorn > acorn
without EM3
god > god > acorn > acorn
god > god > coin purse > acorn
god > coin purse > hourglass > acorn
and melee will sometimes go
god > acorn > acorn > acorn
sour bramble
I like lucky tooth because I'm insecure and bad.
cunning urchin
Edited for clarity.
sour bramble
cunning urchin
Acorn gives you more effective HP in boss fights.
Lucky Tooth is a bit over 100 eHP.
cloud barn
ive collected the infinity stones
cunning urchin
My condolences.
cunning urchin
Hard Labor.
Just initialisms for the pacts. There's a list pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
sour bramble
Oh, I genuinely can't remember if I actually use that.
cunning urchin
+20% damage from enemies per rank.
sour bramble
I definitely don't use that.
cunning urchin
HL5 is +100% damage.
sour bramble
I am a small baby child man who plays at 0 heat.
cunning urchin
lol
sour bramble
THREE THOUSAND
cloud barn
yes
i didnt spend any money
alone with all 5 bouldy summons used in tartarus, golden touch, and +gold chaos boons
sour bramble
jesus christ that's like 160 bonus damage
cunning urchin
You should buy me some stuff with all that money.
cloud barn
also i grabbed the sigil because i didnt have a call and wanted to see how it would do
sonic merlin
How do I get the most out of cold fusion? Just got it in tartarus, I don't have a ton around it atm
cunning urchin
The +87% doesn't apply to your Hoarding Slash bonus damage.
sour bramble
okay, that's not quite as scary
sour bramble
Still, that's like, around 200 damage per attack
cunning urchin
Somebody summarized all the stuff I explained yesterday about damage calculation. #h1-builds-and-combat message
sour bramble
Kinda mental
cunning urchin
That's also the second time I've posted that message today lol.
unkempt pagoda
hoarding is flat damage, yes
rare kayak
cool
unkempt pagoda
it's the only hammer that says "bonus damage"
cunning urchin
I should just write a new guide or something. I keep repeating myself the past few days lol.
cunning urchin
I've reposted the same message about Guan Yu like 10 times in 3 days or something lol.
sour bramble
here's what you do, okay
you give it a week, and see how many times you have to answer to the same questions
rare kayak
why do they not just win the game
sour bramble
then you take those questions, and put them into an FAQ
solid hazel
@sour bramble if you can't buy into acorn, at least take spiked collar over lucky tooth. If you have at least one deaths defiance spiked collar gives as much hp as lucky tooth
sour bramble
boom, easy money
red mist
hmmm it has come to my attention that I am close to getting the duo boons prophecy and that 3 of them are poseidon
primal hazel
60% of my messages
Same stuff
solid hazel
More if you have more than one dd and you get more healing from fountains with spiked collar
red mist
what's a weapon where main poseidon is passable
rare kayak
none
primal hazel
Not ideal but fun
rare kayak
im of the opinion that tempest strike sucks
primal hazel
Poseidon is good for mobs
red mist
I agree with you there
cloud barn
ye i knew that hoarding slash is flat damage, just wanted to specify
lone lava
@cloud barn that really is like an exodia build haha looks very fun
red mist
but I gotta get poseidon duos
cloud barn
hang on i videod my hades kill, was pretty fast
sour bramble
@solid hazel Back in my first like 10, 20 runs I used to go through the entire game with only spiked collar tbh
cloud barn
prolly not speedrun fast but pretty fast
rare kayak
maybe some kinda wacky poseidon special run with gy might have something
cunning urchin
@sonic merlin Lady Athena for Divine Dash, otherwise just keep going for tier 2 boons from Lord Zeus and get his Legendary. Maybe Cold Fusion if you can get it, but it's not that important.
lone lava
Hoarding slash meme run is the only reason I can see to run zag sword
sour bramble
I looked at all of the other keepsakes and thought "well why would I take any of these over extra health"
rare kayak
considering the hitbox on that thing
cloud barn
same
sour bramble
Then I actually unlocked the good keepsakes
marsh pumice
what's a weapon where main poseidon is passable
@red mist just go shield with double attack hammer
lone lava
Either that or hermes movespeed to dmg meme run
primal hazel
What duos do you need?
sonic merlin
@cunning urchin I got cold fusion, that was what I was asking--are there synergies with it I haven't considered.
red mist
basically poseidon duos
primal hazel
Bro
solid hazel
Spiked collar is really strong when you don't have access to thick skin
primal hazel
If you want help
red mist
also for some reason I don't have merciful end yet
primal hazel
At least provide info
red mist
even though it's a meta build
solid hazel
That 50 max hp in tarturus is a big deal
lone lava
Snowden just apply chill and then apply jolted
cloud barn
lmao
primal hazel
Collar is trash (compared to other options)
cloud barn
watching back the footage i killed a doomstone that hades summoned before his invuln wore off
lone lava
So run zeus and demeter on two abilities that you'll use
primal hazel
Bro you want to force gods in Tartarus
sour bramble
poseidon attack seems kinda bad because it's limited in effectiveness against bosses
might be good room clear, will slap in Styx, but it doesn't really do anything against a boss, it's like a weaker aphro attack with no debuff
cunning urchin
@solid hazel there's nothing really meaningful there as far as Duo Boons. You just want to stack t2 lightning Boons to get your DPS up.
Urgh, wrong ping again.
I blame Discord.
sonic merlin
Its fine, got what you are saying 🙂
primal hazel
You can make it work against bosses but it requires more effort than other builds
solid hazel
Uhh I still agree with you @cunning urchin even though I have no idea what you're talking about
red mist
I also don't have curse of longing, though that probably just comes naturally with merciful end
cunning urchin
Good.
primal hazel
I mean you can do longing on me
But it's weird
sour bramble
tbh, in terms of poseidon, i actually REALLY like his cast
red mist
oh lol I have 5 missing ares duos
rare kayak
longing actually anti synergy with merciful
cunning urchin
That's understandable. I'm so smart, mere mortals can never truly understand me. 👸🏽
primal hazel
I think he's fun but could be better
red mist
I've been trying to gun for vengeful mood for a while but requiring 3 boons is nasty
lone lava
ME only needs: ME prereqs, ME and then ideally but not needed, impending doom
rare kayak
end cancels doom so longing no effect
sour bramble
and his special can be useful sometimes
cunning urchin
Vengeful Mood is very underwhelming. You're not missing anything.
sour bramble
but i NEVER end up taking his attack
rare kayak
vengeful mood is basically the meme duo
red mist
@cunning urchin just need it for prophecy
solid hazel
Vengeful Mood is very underwhelming. You're not missing anything.
@cunning urchin except memes
sour bramble
I suppose poseidon attack on railgun with the shotgun hammer could be interesting if you want to feel like you've got the biggest boomstick
fair plinth
oof, hard decision here. Chamber 9, Archilles Spear, 190 obols.
Charon Shop
Daed Hammer
Erebus (Obols)
which would you pick?
rare kayak
id go hammer
primal hazel
Jesus
cunning urchin
Shop.
rare kayak
spear has pretty good hammers
cloud barn
jeez this has to be someof the highest dps ive seen
cunning urchin
Shop shop shop.
lone lava
If not speedrun, doesn't really matter haha
solid hazel
Vengeful mood once turned a losing run into a funny losing run for me
lone lava
Prolly still shop since you can buy boon
cunning urchin
Shops still skip chambers.
primal hazel
How much money?
cunning urchin
Skipping chambers means less fighting, means fewer errors.
rare kayak
i mean depends on ur heat lol
primal hazel
Shop trash if he has like 100 obols
lone lava
Right but they probably won't plank at tartarus regardless
rare kayak
200
cunning urchin
Low Heat, especially shop so you don't waste time on low heat and can go up fast.
red mist
what's the preferred speedrun heat settings? FO2 TD1?
primal hazel
Hot take lol
rare kayak
incredible
fair plinth
hammer seems real attractive tho
lone lava
Haha true @cunning urchin
marsh pumice
just go hammer
fair plinth
triple jab with athena strike
primal hazel
Then just take whatever instead of asking
sly night
is greater evasion>hypersprint
unkempt pagoda
for igt, td is off
sour bramble
Depends on what you want to do with your spear tbh
sly night
generally
sour bramble
You might go hammer and hit bad RNG
sonic merlin
Rush Kick, Draining Cutter, or Long Knuckle. First hammer, and I am going attack build. Probably knuckle just for the 10% damage buff?
red mist
@unkempt pagoda why?
cunning urchin
Shop trash if he has like 100 obols
I'll take shops with 0 obols just to speed things up.
unkempt pagoda
TD disables survival rooms, which disable the in-game timer, so you want TD specifically off so these rooms can spawn
cunning urchin
Depending on my mood, at least.
red mist
oh
primal hazel
We can't all be gods like you
unkempt pagoda
for real time categories, TD is on like expected
cunning urchin
High Heat TD2, I might skip shop and take a boon or whatever.
primal hazel
Also idc bout speedrunning
Prolly cause I'm not good enough lol
cunning urchin
Low Heat, I'll just skip chambers and take the shop or Chaos Gate to speed things up.
red mist
speedrunning is definitely harder than 50 heat
lone lava
It's actually very accessible to get a fast time in this game
red mist
different skillset but speedruns are perfection town
unkempt pagoda
EM2 and FO2 are also on for speedrunning are on as well
primal hazel
I'll try once I completed most of what I want to complete
red mist
harder lernie is faster?
primal hazel
I see speedrunning as extra content besides heat pact and completion
cunning urchin
speedrunning is definitely harder than 50 heat
Wut.
lone lava
10:xx run after a bit
primal hazel
Don't afk
That's where you got me
cloud barn
i mean
primal hazel
You know how potatoes I am
cloud barn
speedrunning isnt hard
unkempt pagoda
harder lernie is faster?
the thing here is the smaller arena, which makes the heads much closer together
sonic merlin
Chamber choice..... Eurydice or TG (Zeus, Demeter--I have both so it would be good)
lone lava
Nah 50 heat is brutal
cloud barn
getting a good time speedrunning is hard
red mist
ah I see
cloud barn
but 50 heat is just another level of difficulty
sonic merlin
Which chamber do you think I should do?
unkempt pagoda
whereas regular lernie you have to traverse a massive arena to kill each head
lone lava
Yeah like being near the speedgods is a different story
solid hazel
Draining cutter is absurdly good sustain if you are worried about losing the run
If you so strong you don't care probably the long knuckle
primal hazel
But why
red mist
speedruns are always absolutely (in the math sense) harder since you're always being asked to save tenths of seconds here and there
lone lava
But you can still get a much much faster time than any pb in #h1-victory-boasting without much trouble
primal hazel
Shots fired
lone lava
The WR is kinda nutty rn though
Shots fired
I mean have you seen the times there hahaha
sly night
seeded or unseeded
red mist
do tell me
primal hazel
No I don't enter that channel
lone lava
To be fair to them they probably don't care about getting fast pbs
unkempt pagoda
vorime suddenly getting a 6:45 is pretty sweet
lone lava
seeded or unseeded
Unseeded
cunning urchin
That's some nonsense. I don't see the point in comparing how "hard" 50+ vs speedrunning is in the first place. It's kinda disrespectful to either to claim that either one is "harder". They're different things that require different skills.
primal hazel
I'm very slow at heat climbing since I want to clear with all weapons and ain't near my switch since a lot recently
cloud barn
true
cunning urchin
I don't see most speedrunners beating my 52 heat any time soon. And I'm not about to beat any speedrun records myself.
cloud barn
50+ is trying to beat hades, speedrunning is trying to beat the WR
sly night
do I leave the legendary boon for a common?
https://i.imgur.com/avIkZua.png Only my attack knocks back
cloud barn
very different stuff
cunning urchin
I've also zero interest in aiming for speedruns.
primal hazel
Btw are wrs just measured by fastest time or is heat also a factor?
red mist
agreed that they're different
primal hazel
do I leave the legendary boon for a common?
https://i.imgur.com/avIkZua.png Only my attack knocks bad
@sly night no
marsh pumice
take legendary
lone lava
Second wave to finish your fated list faster
unkempt pagoda
you can read the rules for each categories here
https://www.speedrun.com/hades
cunning urchin
50+ is trying to be in the top 6 high heat players lol.
primal hazel
Thanks onyx
red mist
the thing that makes speedruns tick is that there's only one absolute fastest route and any deviation is a fault
fair plinth
huh, i just got 5 gods in a run without even using an olympian keepsake o.o
sly night
does second wave do anything?
cloud barn
it does
sly night
I understand itll get me meta progression
lone lava
Just the core build will almost always be the same
sly night
idg what it does
fair plinth
had athena/artemis/aphrodite and went into charon's shop, he had dio for sale and ares was next room
cloud barn
makes knockback effects apply a second time
fair plinth
5 gods o.o
sly night
How is that useful
primal hazel
Second wave is important for poseidon imo
primal hazel
Double damage essentially
sly night
ahhh okay
cloud barn
bonk em around
sly night
So it does the same thing as typhoons fury
primal hazel
Or rather double triggers
sly night
just 2x instead of 3x
primal hazel
No
lone lava
More CC
sly night
as far as damage right
cunning urchin
the thing that makes speedruns tick is that there's only one absolute fastest route and any deviation is a fault
Speedrun meta is unseeded right now. No one actually does seeded.
primal hazel
Seeded seems boring to me
cloud barn
yeah
cunning urchin
I'd figure if you tell me speedrunners are so much better than high heat, you'd know at least that.
marsh pumice
just die a lot and get seed that you want
cloud barn
the point of speedrunning a roguelike is the thrill of a good run
cunning urchin
I don't get any thrill from doing speedruns, personally.
cloud barn
same
cunning urchin
The low difficulty bores me.
cloud barn
but i think that's why people do em
primal hazel
Bragging rights
fierce thicket
But after a while someone gets the holy grail of seeds and sets an unbeatable record
primal hazel
Uhm
cinder flower
this shouldn't be allowed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369256100954112027/765968875279351848/unknown.png
sly night
if you dont change keepsakes you dont get a "gauranteed" boon from them in the next room after the bossfight ye?
solid hazel
It does seem crazy to me that at the highest level, rng plays such a huge role that top speedrunners do 1000 of runs to get pbs
But if they enjoy it more power to them
hearty elbow
I agree. It shouldn't be allowed to get Parting Shot for having Athena and Aphrodite. That's like every other run for me.
wide plover
if you never get the boon from the keepsake's god, it can work in the next biome
but if you get the god, it's done its thing
cunning urchin
Speedruns are a lot more popular than high heat because literally anyone can make it on the board.
If you can clear at all, you can't "fail" a run.
High heat, it's either pass or fail.
If you don't make it, you don't make it.
silk anvil
The low difficulty bores me.
@cunning urchin low difficulty of speedruns; heh.
cunning urchin
The low difficulty of the enemies etc. Clearing isn't the goal, it's expected.
solid hazel
Lol this seems like a good time to leave the conversation...
wide plover
what's the best aspect for blizzard shot?
silk anvil
Oh, you mean just speed running this game then
I'd still argue that being perfect is a challenge, but of a different sort
TAS bot when?
sly night
are any of the "after you take damage effects" something you would take?
except the dash one maybe
that recovers life
cloud barn
TBH id love to see TASbot play a seeded run
silk anvil
are any of the "after you take damage effects" something you would take?
@sly night not if you never take damage
Though I have been curious to see how well the Ares/Zeus duo works out if you have a lot of revenge effects
solid hazel
It's very amusing but not really a reliable strategy
sly night
wow deflect dash+Podiseon double knockback attack turns the big rats poison pools+Spinny death thingies into a joke
silk anvil
I agree. It shouldn't be allowed to get Parting Shot for having Athena and Aphrodite. That's like every other run for me.
@hearty elbow I wanna circle back to this why do you say you shouldnt be allowed parting shot? You like it too much? You get it too often? Etc
hearty elbow
Artemis/Athena/Aphrodite is one of the most common core trios in the game, and while the other 2 duos are synergistic, the third is kind of a meme since it makes the first 2 less likely to happen.
silk anvil
Ah I think I gotcha
cunning urchin
I'd still argue that being perfect is a challenge, but of a different sort
Yeah, I'm not saying it isn't. But it's not one I'm particularly interested in. I'd rather push high heat meta and solve pact combos with different aspects and stuff.
proven osprey
silk anvil
Respectable
proven osprey
Can you feel the god run ?
cloud barn
ok
i uploaded the hoarding slash hades thing to youtube because imgur limits videos to 30 seconds
cunning urchin
Also way more interested in testing my reactions against FO2 + Speeder that do +100% damage or whatever than testing how optimally I can hold down Attack with Eris.
silk anvil
Can you feel the god run ?
@proven osprey 0 heat run? Yeah I can feel it. It would be a shame if you got clipped and died by something silly like lava
lone lava
Parting shot with athena cast and hera bow = amazing, literally what you're building for
proven osprey
@proven osprey 0 heat run? Yeah I can feel it. It would be a shame if you got clipped and died by something silly like lava
@silk anvil Come on I'm farming
lone lava
Parting shot any other time 😩
sour bramble
man, screw lava
silk anvil
@proven osprey I didnt mean it like an attack;-;
sour bramble
i always take damage that I shouldn't be taking to lava in asphodel
primal hazel
What parting shot
sour bramble
especially when i'm melee
cunning urchin
(not really )
silk anvil
It was more so asking a question and then saying "if so, good, because I almost had a run end just just before godhood by being bad at lernie"
proven osprey
I just got hammer first room
silk anvil
Which, having won against lernie by the skin of my teeth, I'm proud to announce that Poseidon 5x Rocket on 2nd rail aspect (Aris?) was fun
cunning urchin
Eris.
silk anvil
It was only a fraction as glorious as I'm sure your GY BIG NUMBERS will be
@cunning urchin I cant spell.
cunning urchin
How can you not know the #1 aspect Eris.
hearty elbow
Aeris
sour bramble
oh god, another obol run
cunning urchin
Aerith*
cloud barn
:3
sour bramble
zag's going to be coming out of the pool of styx wearing a gucci belt and making it rain obols
cloud barn
lmao
silk anvil
How can you not know the #1 aspect Eris.
@cunning urchin because generally I'm trash with rail ;-; the manual reload gets me too much, so I kinda let it gather dust
cunning urchin
@silk anvil you trash god.
silk anvil
@cloud barn thanks Kronk
cloud barn
no problem gamer
cunning urchin
It's not possible to be trash with Eris.
silk anvil
@cunning urchin thanks Alecto
sly night
does brilliant repost/deflect have any chance to help with hades or nah
cunning urchin
@silk anvil except for you. For you, it's possible.
fierce thicket
Nya's identity exposed
cunning urchin
Brilliant Riposte is great.
sly night
I only mean against haded
hearty elbow
Lol, to be fair, most of everyone thought Eris was shrug before 1.0. Nothing really changed about it.
sly night
im right before him
hearty elbow
I wouldn't say it's obvious how good it is until you really give it a shot
silk anvil
@cunning urchin said I'm good at something!
albeit good at being bad 
cunning urchin
I wonder if people will ever tell us all three options they're offered instead of just asking if 1 of them is good. 
hearty elbow
Is Huge Catch viable at 13 heat?
cloud barn
tru
sour bramble
Never. I'm going to only mention the worst boon on the table every time.
cunning urchin
And tell us their build while they're at it.
silk anvil
Is Huge Catch viable at 13 heat?
@hearty elbow
63 heat Huge Catch only run
sly night
I have deflect dash
hearty elbow
It begins
cloud barn
👀 👀 👀
cunning urchin
OS? Option select?
proven osprey
one shot
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
@sly night what is option #3?
sly night
something that buffs my special
I havee nothing that helps it
it gives it damage or somewthing
cunning urchin
@proven osprey has somebody told you yet that Dash-Strikes cancel dash i-frames?
Just checking.
proven osprey
No
proven osprey
But I it's logic to me
primal hazel
Oof
proven osprey
I knew
cunning urchin
Alright good lol. That's like the #1 thing people find out here like "omg really??"
proven osprey
Nobody told me but I'm a dash strike spammer myself
sly night
wait a second if I have 2x punch and double knockback does that mean each attack does 4 knockbacks?
cloud barn
aight
sour bramble
honestly, is there any reason not to spam dash strike
proven osprey
So I learnt with pain
cloud barn
got 800 gold entering asphodel
proven osprey
Idk man
cloud barn
rip, i got two chaos boons and neither gives more gold
marsh pumice
honestly, is there any reason not to spam dash strike
if you spam special
cunning urchin
@sly night I'd take Brilliant Riposte, personally. Maybe Unshakable Mettle at high heats when I'm worried about making it through the fight.
proven osprey
I need to test Hera with Athena's cast. It goes "bonk", should be funny
gilded nymph
is there a point to give meg any more ambrosia after I get battie
marsh pumice
are you greedy or what?
primal hazel
Bonking
gilded nymph
what
cloud barn
poggers, i got an epic Ocean's Bounty
silk anvil
Sorry I cant read
primal hazel
To do the BONK
silk anvil
I thought for sure she had more options for ambrosia, but then again, I'm a fool
hearty elbow
Alright good lol. That's like the #1 thing people find out here like "omg really??"
@cunning urchin I only found this out after a couple hundred hours lol. I thought I was just really really bad with Lucifer and Malphon for some reason. That may still be true but at least I learned the contributing factor.
silk anvil
Deepen your relationship with her, prolly
cunning urchin
You should offer all your Ambrosia to Lady Aphrodite.
marsh pumice
like what does giving meg more ambrosia do
romance
primal hazel
like what does giving meg more ambrosia do
@gilded nymph you can do the BONK with meg
proven osprey
We ain't no simp
cunning urchin
@hearty elbow that's okay. As far as I'm concerned, nothing's changed until you beat 52 Heat.
silk anvil
Zag says, "it's always nice to simp for your friends, I personally dont want this ambrosia anyway, I feel better about giving it to people I care about"
first hermes isnt attackspeed
@cloud barn I need to have a chat with Hermes, he tends to give me none of the boons I want, all the time >:c
cloud barn
same
sour bramble
same honestly
cloud barn
moment of truth
still vigil
Same
cloud barn
about to find my 2nd daedalus
proven osprey
about hermes, how does rush delivery work ?
still vigil
Like why is it so hard to get rush delivery QAQ
cunning urchin
Lord Hermes ain't got time for your complaints.
silk anvil
Lord Hermes ain't got time for your complaints.
@cunning urchin hes gonna make time
sly night
https://i.imgur.com/o7pxnHZ.png I feel good about my chances at hades now
gilded nymph
I really don't like second wave
cloud barn
:c
still vigil
I love it
sly night
yeah it was that or the wallslam
gilded nymph
I prefer wallslam
silk anvil
If hes gonna make me his race-horse and tell me to go rough-up Charon, I can politely ask him to please give me his 1000% movespeed, and them his "bonus movespeed means more damage" boons @cunning urchin
sly night
it didnt matter really. The non bossfights were completely trivialized by 4x knockback lol
cloud barn
👀 👀 👀
gilded nymph
it was just opinion
primal hazel
I know
sly night
The knockback is super nice for the final zone
primal hazel
That's why I said jk
sly night
so u dont get poison up ur arse
still vigil
Second wave is amazing fer hades
sly night
why would it help on hades?
still vigil
He can be knocked back into walls
silk anvil
so u dont get poison up ur arse
@sly night tidal dash; in order to get knockback you have to dash onto poison ;-; check m8
sly night
Oh I have tidal attack.
primal hazel
@cloud barn where's the shackle
sly night
or wtvr its called not dash
silk anvil
He can be knocked back into walls
@still vigil the knockback on Hades seems very hit-or-miss... is he un-knockable for certain animations?
gilded nymph
why do I tickle with demeter fists and nemesis, what am I even doing
primal hazel
Sysiphus keepsake
still vigil
It seems to depend on attaching poseidon to the right hammer and aspect @silk anvil
cloud barn
i have aphro attack and zeus call, why would i want shackle
primal hazel
No core boons in spesh and cast
primal hazel
Also memes
primal hazel
Well at least ure using shady
still vigil
Like cluster rocket and poseidon? Gg the entire run
cloud barn
my gold is pretty low
still vigil
Any bow except rama? Ehhh not so much
silk anvil
It seems to depend on attaching poseidon to the right hammer and weapon @silk anvil
@still vigil I agree... but for instance, my last fight with him, I had Eris Rail, tidal flourish, 5x bombs, and then bombs-> rockets.
Each hit rocket volley was about 1500+ damage. But sometimes I would point blank him, and hed stay on my tail. Other times, (notably just one time) did he fly across the map as I would have expected
sour bramble
ngl my favourite build is crit hazard bomb, i had no idea zagreus invented the nuclear bomb back in ancient greece
silk anvil
ngl my favourite build is crit hazard bomb, i had no idea zagreus invented the nuclear bomb back in ancient greece
@sour bramble
"Ancient?"
sour bramble
more like aspect of einstein bth
still vigil
Oop
gilded nymph
that's with lucifer right?
silk anvil
Can you even get hazard bomb with Lucifer?
still vigil
Yeaaa I’m not sure why it does seem inconsistent. Maybe one of the pros can answer that
cloud barn
3 death defies
sour bramble
artemis spec, hazard bomb, hermes faster special, you've won the game