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#h1-builds-and-combat
marsh pumice
that if you use reroll 
mellow quest
how did i get heroic curse of agony + deflect dash on fists but have EVRY pom miss curse of agony and never see merciful end lmao
cloud barn
hera aspect with aphro cast currently
mellow quest
level 5 brilliant riposte it is
cloud barn
also
stuck bobcat
Check #h1-victory-boasting last post.
Is it possible to get so many boons in 1 run? 
stuck bobcat
Its big brain time
cloud barn
im just loading all 4 of my stones, shooting hades in the ass, then running away until my bloodstones recharge
i also have the exit wounds thing
stuck bobcat
Was Athena cast fixed? Or it still always register as bacstab?
unkempt pagoda
i'm most excited for sniper shot finally (hopefully) being decent
cloud barn
yeah sniper shot is good now
hearty elbow
i'm most excited for sniper shot finally (hopefully) being decent
@unkempt pagoda They made the range around 2-2.5x bigger
cloud barn
activates a bit before your up-down vision runs out
unkempt pagoda
and fiery presence maybe having a purpose? 👀
cloud barn
nah
unkempt pagoda
also, glad to see chiron wasn't entirely nerfed
marsh pumice
shame actually
hearty elbow
K, I proclaim Chiron: Alive. First try
unkempt pagoda
It Works™️
hearty elbow
I made sure to set CP2 and TD3 to benchmark. Skeptical about JSx
mighty ermine
but JS is its own, painful benchmark for high heat chiron!
hearty elbow
The real treasure is the Sturgeon we catch along the way
hearty elbow
It wasn't a personal best, I'll try for 47 now, and I'll record that. I already have a Chiron 45 from 1.0 on youtube
robust anchor
ic
tranquil violet
Which companion is worth trying to get first?
Maybe not the best but the most straightforward/better than none?
drifting vale
Probably battie (meg)
untold iris
any companion is better than none
and they're mostly locked via story quests, which can be inconsistent in terms of triggers
so I just gave nectars to everyone and waited for one of the story quests to unlock
I think battie is fairly easy to get though
hazy slate
its a bit rng i think
tranquil violet
I stupidly initially just dumped all of my nectar into chaos because I liked their design more 
Before realizing this had little to no benefit
That's okay though, Chaos has amusing dialogue.
Respond.
I need to actually start trying to use god keepsakes
spare flare
I like Sisyphus's. It's not the best, but if you're reasonably early enough that you don't really need a companion to win for you, getting free darkness is appealing. The obols and recovery is pretty practical, too.
tranquil violet
I currently run Cosmic Egg through Tartarus and Asphodel and then switch to Acorn for Elysium and Styx every time.
Try to get a couple chaos boons every run. They make a big difference.
Respond.
magic dagger
you'll get a payoff out of giving stuff to chaos.
same with any npc, honestly. You'll want to max relationship with everyone for dialogue and quests.
tranquil violet
What's the payoff for doing so?
Apart from dialogue which is of course its own reward.
magic dagger
quests
tranquil violet
Is there a list of that anywhere?
spare flare
Chthonian Coin Purse, god keepsake for directing my build, and either Acorn, whatever I'm still levelling up, or the spoilery keepsakes to end.
magic dagger
I think there are... three? locked behind relationship with chaos
tranquil violet
I think I've given Chaos like 5-6 nectars at least
But not maxed
I have finished the quest for his boons
@magic dagger any of them reward diamonds :p?
I burned most of my zero heat ambrosia on titan blood
Also are the benefits of affinity listed anywhere online?
Apart from Companions
Oh looks like there's one for beating Hades with the Egg
For two diamonds
4 ambrosia for his favor, and 2 for Chaos shield to surface
native forge
For shield of chaos, Is there any way to work around the extra delay added to dash throws immediately after bull rushing? I haven't tried binding mouse wheel to special.
tranquil violet
Extra delay?
I pretty much always dash after bull rushing to reposition so I just not have noticed.
native forge
Getting that hammer upgrade together with dread flight are a reset on 45-50 heat
Its around a 0.5 sec delay
If you try dashing too soon after immediately finishing a very soon bull rush your input gets eaten
tranquil violet
Haven't had that issue, but I'm playing on switch with controller
native forge
And you get to take around 60 dmg to the face
tranquil violet
At least until it's possible to transfer or sync saves (unlikely but here's hoping)
spare flare
Do you guys not start with Chthonian Coin Purse?
native forge
😦
tranquil violet
No, I don't feel like I really lack money.
I usually choose money over a boon I don't want to bank for better synergies at later shops
native forge
I start with guaranteed boon or pom blossom
tranquil violet
So I tend to have 300-400 on hand most of the time
native forge
If not I'll have dmg problems on zone 2 and 3
native forge
Even the egg is good when you're running family favorite
proven osprey
Sisyphus gang
tranquil violet
+60-80% dmg to one of your base moves is never bad
native forge
its good to get it early so you dont die to a bad zone 2-3 curse
tranquil violet
And the boosts to darkness and gems are great too
I only run Chaos through zone 1-2
I'm not confident enough yet to try it through Elysium with most builds
And definitely not Styx
native forge
Anyways, I thought they would fix the extra delay on throw that comes with dashing flight
I guess I'll keep grinding
tranquil violet
Chaos seems to be only meh at low levels
spare flare
Does the egg even adjust Chaos gate spawn rates?
tranquil violet
Even from 1->2 extra throws made it a lot better
spare flare
I know that it takes away their cost.
tranquil violet
@spare flare i don't believe so
It removes their cost and boosts the rarity of the boons
When I have it on I tend to mostly see Rare and Epic chaos boons
spare flare
Aye.
tranquil violet
And I'd say I nearly always see Chaos twice by the Hydra
If I get two chaos boon in Tartarus (unlikely) then I swap out earlier
Two chaos boons is plenty
jaunty locust
is there a way to make sure asterius shows up in elysium more?
spare flare
Play more.
tranquil violet
Just pick the boss doors
I pretty much always see him if I don't avoid his door
Or I see the butterfly ball
jaunty locust
ok, VERY bad luck
since I've had at least 3 straight runs aiming for boss doors with no asterius
spare flare
So, is this accurate?
Deep Pockets/Golden Touch, Side Hustle, et cetera:
At low Heat, it's understandable to want extra obols for A) buying more loot in Styx and 2) getting extra boons at the end, when you're most likely to get the legendaries and duos that you've been building toward for the sake of fulfilling prophecies. As the game gets harder, opting to start with obols to force early build progress and taking your very limited supply of Hermes boons more seriously (i.e. Greatest Reflex for becoming invincible) becomes a priority.
Chthonian Coin Purse, likewise, is great at low Heat, but using a god boon to help direct your build from Tartarus or the Pom Blossom are more optimal choices.
@cunning urchin
unreal hull
For any Fist aspect, what attack boon and special combo do you guys like to do? Did Hangover on attack, Doom on special, weakness on Dash. Any particular boons scale better for the number of attacks?
robust anchor
zeus on attack
primal hazel
Also isn't it in general better to force the boons you want and picking up money along the way?
Zeus has good scaling with attack speed
unreal hull
So jolt on attack then what combo for the exposed debuff?
robust anchor
lets say you go for a build. you already got all the gods you want floor 1. instead of godkeepsake you can take coin purse
primal hazel
Yeah ofc
Sry if you're not responding to me directly
Thought I stated the the forcing is build specific
robust anchor
@unreal hull zeus attack and athena dash and keep picking zeus and aim for legendary. jolted is good, double lightning strike is good, aim for legendary zeus by picking the prereqs
unreal hull
Nice. I’ll give that a spin.
earnest hatch
Heya
Just got to the Styx place and uh
I’m having to actually build my boobs and stuff now
robust anchor
did you die to rat farts
earnest hatch
But how do the side boons w-
...maybe
But say you get a chaos boon, since most of his are passive.
What happens when you get another passive boon?
spare flare
Build your boobs, huh?
earnest hatch
I haven’t really heard anyone mention Athena’s dash and idk why it’s so useful
jaunty locust
and by just did I mean I'm here for the last bad boy
you mean, you don't know why nobody has, or you don't know why it's useful
robust anchor
athena dash gives extra i frames
spare flare
What? Literally everyone mentions Athena's Dash.
jaunty locust
not *actually 9887.
earnest hatch
Autocorrect is going to KILL me with correct boon to boob every time I type
robust anchor
kekw
jaunty locust
it preserves your deflect bonus up when you dash attack
spare flare
You can seriously search for "Divine Dash" in this channel alone and get hundreds of posts.
jaunty locust
usually as soon as you dash strike you lose i-frames, but with athena you keep deflecting
earnest hatch
But anyway how do passive boons work?
spare flare
. . . . .
Passively.
earnest hatch
I got dying lament and another chaos boon on a run I just started and I’ve got a 2+ below it
Does it become replaced? Or do they stack and the first boon not show anymore
spare flare
Press the L key.
bright flint
all passive boons stack
primal hazel
But it's insane either way
jaunty locust
it only covers the dash, but it stays up for the dash attack instead of dropping
bright flint
only the main one (attack, special, call, etc.) cannot stack
jaunty locust
also, if you're dashing through, say, an asterius swing, and you fall out of dash, you get hit. if you deflect it, you don't take any more damage
earnest hatch
Also I’ve been running with literally only shield
Is Athena dash and spamming Dionysus status a bad idea or
spare flare
If you're new, you're in the wrong channel.
earnest hatch
Ah my bad
bright flint
not to discourage you but yeah this one allow spoiler
go to the new players channel
silk anvil
spare flare
So, Lasting Consequences applies to Cursed Blade, huh?
willow fossil
Yep
spare flare
But not any other lifesteal form? Why?
willow fossil
What other lifesteal form?
spare flare
Guan Yu's spin, for instance.
willow fossil
It doesnt affect guan yu?
unreal abyss
how are y'all getting such absurd clear times?
spare flare
Or Malphon's Daedalus Hammer upgrade that makes us heal on special kills.
Apparently, it doesn't apply to DD, Stubborn Roots, Guan Yu's spin, and . . . Athena knows what else, I guess.
manic isle
best weapon for cast build?
pallid dagger
Poseidon or Hera
red harbor
hey what boons are best for chiron bow?
spare flare
Achilles! Can't knock the 50% buff.
pallid dagger
When the Hydra catches you with its first head-smash and you just sigh and tank the rest cuz you already charged this bow to full and don't feel like dashing out of it
spare flare
"Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, Heart Rend.
Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend.
Pick one of those. That's Chiron."
red harbor
ty guys
unreal abyss
@red harbor just cleared a 32 heat run with chiron bow and i think hammer upgrades probably more important
if you can get the +3 on consecutive hits or the extra arrows to special
unreal abyss
you cant reroll hammers unforutnately
unreal abyss
i really like doom on attack and hangover on special
red harbor
ty
unreal abyss
i think the key thing for that run was actually getting hermes +2 dash charges which made it easier to play keepaway
imo not gettting hit > damage output
red harbor
got a hammer first room haha
tranquil violet
Hermes + Bouldy only run
unreal abyss
@red harbor any of the right ones?
red harbor
extra arrows on special!
unreal abyss
nice!
lethal chasm
ye i got that on chiron yesterday
and broke my record by 4 mins
first time using the wep
lol
unreal abyss
the game uses a random seed so if you were to "give up" (at any point on the run) the first room will have the hammer with the same 3 upgrades
@red harbor
lethal chasm
was getting like 11x 150(avg w crits) on special
red harbor
awesome
pallid dagger
Alright I must have misremembered how overpowered Zeus' cast is on Hera
buddy you are great at clearing crowds but terrible at shredding bosses
unreal abyss
i literally have only used cast on accident
spare flare
It definitely shreds rooms.
red harbor
i love demeter cast
pallid dagger
i mean, it does the same damage as poseidon's cast?
red harbor
poseidon cast is fun too
pallid dagger
i mean, i did have an absolutely broken build when i tried poseidon on hera, but it started out at the same level
red harbor
i never quite got the hang of how to play w achilles
i just dash around the room without realising like an idiot
lethal dock
anyone have god suggestions for aspect of arthur
lethal chasm
poseidon achilles is my 2nd best run
pallid dagger
@red harbor same though
when i first tried achilles i was excited because i figured it would be like bull-rushing with the shield everywhere
it was not.
lethal chasm
blizz shot w achilles got me like 5k per cast
pallid dagger
@lethal dock aphrodite. i've heard artemis works but i didn't like it too much.
lethal chasm
ye i like both
lethal dock
okay thanks
proven osprey
anyone have god suggestions for aspect of arthur
@lethal dock Heavy dmg such as aphro, Arte also, crit is funny since the weapon has big base dmg
just did a Arte run, 1k4 crits, was fun
lethal chasm
ye most of my arthur runs are art
i got to 2.4 i think at one point?
w 3rd swing
need to record runs x_x
proven osprey
Sometimes I just go Sysiphus with Arte
lethal chasm
obs not working on gaming comp
proven osprey
And hope to crit with pressure point
spare flare
"Best build so far seems to be Heartbreak Strike/Flourish, Divine Dash, a good Aid, and Smoldering Air. Need something from Zeus in there, so he can be the Aid or the Strike/Flourish, whichever you're not using."
wary jackal
with enough poms and a heroic artemis strike i think you can get 3rd arthur swing to 3k+ damage
pallid dagger
who are you quoting
lethal chasm
@ patch notes, did they revert the bow nerf
proven osprey
Gandhi prolly
unreal abyss
- Heart-Seeking Bow: reduced damage of Volley special (it retains other improvements from the v1.0 update)
- Heart-Seeking Bow (Chiron Aspect): increased arrows from Volley special (offsetting the change above)
@lethal chasm i still see it
lethal dock
thanks for the suggestions everyone
unreal abyss
unless you're talking about something else?
mental tendon
Hey is it intentional that you can go inside Hades laser ring and take no damage?
proven osprey
thanks for the suggestions everyone
@lethal dock
spare flare
Yes, Pizza. Only the perimeter of the ring is damaging. Dash through it as it approaches you, and you're fine.
mental tendon
That feels so wrong ugh
spare flare
Why? It's a single wave, not a massive area of death.
spare flare
It covers, like, half the battlefield, and you get a bunch of- Do you mean the lava lasers?
mental tendon
yes
unreal abyss
when he does all of them, you're saying it's possible to stand on top of him and not get hit?
jade rover
Yeah it's definitly possible
spare flare
I've heard of this, but it was a while back. Just assumed that it was patched.
bright flint
I think it was meant to be there, it was already a trick pre 1.0 right?
unreal abyss
bruh
ive seen some stuff that has been patched presumably for PC but it's not on switch version
unreal abyss
like for example, my 3rd skelly status does not sparkle which i saw was "fixed" in patch notes for PC
pallid dagger
Man, if I think about it, Poseidon really owns the whole cast gang when it comes to Hera
wary jackal
i guess the laser ring thing makes sense
you are not in front of any lasers after all
wary jackal
but what would you be taking damage from?
you're not in the line of fire
makes perfect sense to me
pallid dagger
[remembers that i turned on EM4 final boss] haha i'm in danger
mental tendon
F
Answered in the speedrunning discord
it is intentional because EM4 hades stops you from doing it
spare flare
What? That's nuts.
unkempt pagoda
yeah that's a known strat
jaunty locust
so you gotta go hide?
unkempt pagoda
also why em4 hades ||pulses blast waves during lasers that stun you if you're too close||
hearty elbow
So you can't give him hugs in his dead zone
sonic merlin
How is Divine Strike with Zag Fists?
I've currently got Lightning Strike but could swap to Divine Strike
Sadly not offered deflect dash
solid hazel
It's okay...less damage than Zeus but safer
People play merciful end builds with it
If you have ares on special or can get him I'd do it, otherwise I probably wouldn't
jade rover
sonic merlin
I could try to force ares with the keepsake if it isn't offered
tranquil violet
Question: if you restricted yourself to only ever picking boons from one god and god a decent amount of them, which god would have the most serviceable build?
drifting vale
Prob zeus
tranquil violet
In other words what's the most practical pure build (if one were lucky)
jade rover
I think if you got the same amount of boons, artemis.
weary ridge
Zeus
solid hazel
Really want that theme huh?
sonic merlin
Demeter imo
jade rover
I really do
drifting vale
I can see dem but zeus just has stronger self synergy
solid hazel
Zeus is probably better without ME
sonic merlin
@solid hazel Are you answering my question or @tranquil violet 's
solid hazel
But also Zeus is possibly best single God too...
sonic merlin
I'll stick with my plan to go zeus/poseidon/demeter then
solid hazel
Maybe Dio? Blackout drunk is quite strong...
jade rover
Artemis works very reliably regardless or what your build is, if not amazing, and has a ton of self synergy.
tranquil violet
Don't you kinda need to be hitting really often to maximize crit and support fire benefits though?
solid hazel
I kinda disagree... Many of her things are casting support including her legendary
tranquil violet
So only really viable for fast multi hit weapons
solid hazel
And her cast is kinda meh
jade rover
well, for harder hitting weapons her strike is better
solid hazel
It depends actually aphro is often stronger than arty
sonic merlin
Damn it. Right after getting offered the Artemis attack boon, next room had a hammer that gives the infinite fist combo
jade rover
Aphro is generally yeah
sonic merlin
Should have taken it. F
jade rover
but Artemis hits the hardest middle ground. To be fair I almost never run cast builds.
jade rover
I find it funny that on a run I did just to get the highest possible darkness I beat my PB time
tranquil violet
I initially thought Aphrodite was mostly debuff focused but honestly she has some very solid attacks
Her strike is never terrible
sonic merlin
Can anyone explain what Jolted does?
jade rover
I really can't understand why she has weak and the highest damage
tranquil violet
She's for beatdown builds basically I think
jade rover
It hurts enemies that attack after you've shocked them @sonic merlin
tranquil violet
Where you're planning to take some damage
solid hazel
Next time the enemy does an attack, jolt is lifted and then they take damage equal to what it says in the boon
sonic merlin
Is it useful for much other than proccing privileged status?
solid hazel
It's pretty good damage actually
I mean about as much as doom damage... Procs slower in average though I'd say
jade rover
demeter duo makes it shred a lot of things
pallid dagger
👏👏👏 sea storm posedion cast on hera 👏👏👏 time to show EM4 final boss who kicks what here
weary ridge
Yeah, jolted goes from solid to great if you can snag the Demeter duo with it
proven osprey
I'd like to use God boons like Theseus does
sonic merlin
What keepsake do you guys normally switch to for asphodel?
hearty elbow
Owl Pendant or Coinpurse
sonic merlin
I normally start with purse then am a bit meh
hearty elbow
Or whatever second god you need
solid hazel
Second God for my build usually
pallid dagger
everything is just going great today
i think i cracked the code
i've got the Busted Build from yesterday right down to the daedalus hammers
sonic merlin
Trying to determine how to scale up zeus attack fists, should I go artemis/ares for attack % increases and homing arrows?
red harbor
best companion to use?
pallid dagger
Anthos Anthos Anthos
hearty elbow
Subjective. People like Meg and Antos for damage, Bouldy for meta resources.
The other 3 aren't bad either. Shrug.
red harbor
ty
sour bramble
Fellas, what do you reckon best special for zag fists are?
spare flare
Fidi is still great, right?
sour bramble
I'm focusing attack w. Zeus but I have no idea what to put on my spec slot, maybe ares
sonic merlin
Special is whatever you can easily apply
half crater
i like demeter special for zeus builds
doesn’t do much, but qualifies you for cold fusion
sonic merlin
The -55% movement speed debuff from chaos boons hurts, a lot
hearty elbow
Artemis for Support Fire and Lightning Rod
hearty elbow
Demeter is fine for Cold Fusion but most lighting builds will do very well with Support Fire.
half crater
basically i don’t care that much about my special for non demeter runs tho lol, so i just use it as a slot for duo prereqs
demeter aspect that is, lol
good point about support fire
sonic merlin
Would an aspect or hammer upgrade that converts a special/cast/dash slot into an attack slot be too powerful?
sour bramble
i didn't get the spec on demeter, mistral dash exists i suppose but i think I'm going nourished soul
oblique tusk
so is Fiery Presence still just way worse than Shadow Presence?
or did the +25% damage increase do anything for it?
half crater
Would an aspect or hammer upgrade that converts a special/cast/dash slot into an attack slot be too powerful?
@sonic merlin ... yes
well, depends on the weapon, really
sour bramble
i guess fiery could be good if you're running hermes keepsake to clear faster
unkempt pagoda
i predict... fiery is still bad
half crater
the issue was that if you play well you’ll prolly clear faster with the more consistent backstab
proven osprey
do you guys like stubborn defiance ?
half crater
idk if the +25% changes that, but i suspect no
sonic merlin
imo stubborn defiance is almost always better than death defiance
proven osprey
oh really
jade rover
I'm pressing X to doubt.
sonic merlin
It can be a decent way to heal as well.
half crater
SD is better if you struggle in rooms, DD is better if you struggle with bosses
sonic merlin
At high heat though I have no idea
proven osprey
if DD is better at high heat
half crater
then SD all the way, there isn’t even a contest
unkempt pagoda
with LC4, stubborn becomes the only reliable source of healing in a run
sonic merlin
SD is extremely good if you roll patroclus
half crater
SD let’s you “heal” (by dying) even with LC
proven osprey
yeah
unkempt pagoda
with touches of styx and patty's styx+, you can heal to insane thresholds of hp
proven osprey
that's the only use I've ever had for it
half crater
same tbh
small stirrup
Stubborn is much more reliable in general once you get enough practice with the game
small stirrup
High heat tends to re-assure me that I will die in rooms 
proven osprey
yeah sure
half crater
i die in rooms at higher heat, i just die more against bosses
small stirrup
But yeah I never die more than once to bosses nowadays and thus Stubborn id an easy pick for me
half crater
fair enough
sonic merlin
acorn or tooth for elysium in general?
proven osprey
I really need to git gud
sonic merlin
I'm not on any heat
proven osprey
I like acorn for elysium
small stirrup
Acorn is better than tooth in general
half crater
yeah acorn
sonic merlin
That's what I thought I just wasn't sure if things changed if you don't have any heat on
half crater
switching to acorn in elysium and rocking it for the rest of the game is a valid strat at any heat
limber sequoia
Acorn is op honestly
limber sequoia
I'm sure it won me more than one run
limber sequoia
I tend to take it if a good damage boost comes up right before boss rooms
(late boss rooms that is)
half crater
they can also help with managing TD, particularly in elysium
and some of them are just stupid cheap
jaunty locust
it's too busy for me to see in the actual game because so much si going on - if I have the ricochet fire on a gun AND the zeus strike, does it the richet'd shot also send out a ball lightning?
limber sequoia
TD? (Sorry new to chatting here)
half crater
the extra speed one is 18 gold, even with +80% prices
i take it as a matter of course if it comes up, tho idk if that’s meta
pallid dagger
EM4 Hades, 50% bonus damage to bosses
limber sequoia
Thanks, I know what it was by full name just don't get all the shorthands yet
Didn't want to spoil myself coming here too early
half crater
fair enough, it can be confusing lol
there’s a key in the #h1-high-heat-strategies sticky iirc
limber sequoia
I still don't have the 'true' ending I belive but I've been playing a while
(Got one credit roll but don't have the minor prophecy ||increase favour with gods to do Persephone's plan|| ))
half crater
yeah that’s how you get the epilogue
weary ridge
Is that the prophecy just added in the patch? Because I'm in the same spot
limber sequoia
Yeah it is new, it was added to hint people along I think
limber sequoia
Since it wasn't quite obvious how to progress past that point
lavish tinsel
His not glitching out
Nae naes me for 100 damage
How
What is this
What is the point
spare flare
@sonic merlin I always get Trove Trackers, and Yarn of Ariadne is good, too.
sonic merlin
@lavish tinsel What are you talking about? Hades?
sonic merlin
What are you dying to?
lavish tinsel
So God damn close
I don't even know
All I saw was 100 as I'm about to place the last cast down
Out of nowhere
spare flare
Stood too close to lasers.
tranquil violet
Meg whips, Alecto nae naes, Tisi murrrrrrrrrr deeeeerrr eeeerrr
lavish tinsel
Wasn't even lasering
spare flare
/not close enough.
sonic merlin
The lasers you actually need to hide
lavish tinsel
He was stood at the end of the arena
pallid dagger
side note y'all
sonic merlin
Can the lasers be reflected?
lavish tinsel
THERE WAS NO LASERS
pallid dagger
unshakeable mettle works wonders on the final boss
no jar of slime stun? no worries
lavish tinsel
Just randomly get hit for 100
jaunty locust
Was it the urns?
jaunty locust
lasers also don't do 100
sonic merlin
Have you considered that you might have been hit by a laser?
jaunty locust
wait, are you trolling him on purpose snowden?
pallid dagger
@lavish tinsel my condolences bro, we all know that feeling
tranquil violet
game giveth
tranquil violet
And game taketh away
pallid dagger
well don't hush up tell us what boons you had
lavish tinsel
Why god
weary ridge
We've all been there
tranquil violet
God tier? Eris + Hazard Bomb build?
pallid dagger
at least let us congratulate you on that much
spare flare
Game decided that it porked up. Overcompensated.
tranquil violet
Eris Hazard build is OP, please nerf
lavish tinsel
I was using super high level demeter cast but I had the artemis legendary for +2 casts and I had it on regen and all the damage perks and stuff for it
tranquil violet
Oh so literally meme crystals
lavish tinsel
Using chiron with the hammers that makes the special do exta damage for consecutive hits and another one for piercing stuff and it was all stacking crits like mad
tranquil violet
Nice
pallid dagger
well
if you wanna shred everything and bust the game
<<---[points at that victory boast i just posted]
i'm tellin ya
sea storm is actual magic
lavish tinsel
I was literally one shotting everything
pallid dagger
stop me if you've heard this one
sonic merlin
lavish tinsel
I didn't even need to do anything
pallid dagger
it's a straight seratonin shot
sonic merlin
You get lightning, you get lightning!
lavish tinsel
Why
mystic flume
pallid dagger
unshakeable mettleeeeee
smoky atlas
does erydices nectar increase the chance of getting duo boons (not related to the pic above)
pallid dagger
why is uncle poseidon so generous
he's the rich uncle that spoils you
no, i don't think she does.
she just ups the rarity of the boons that were already in the pool for you.
tranquil violet
How are you able to post images btw?
Is that time gated on this server or something?
pallid dagger
duo is on the same level as legendary, i think, you gotta meet conditions or no dice
smoky atlas
i thought so
but i just saw a streamer say hes taking nectar to increase his chance of getting parting shot duo
brazen hornet
well I mean...the third option increases the rarity of boons so if you already meet the requirements it could in theory increase the chances of legendary/duos I think
tranquil violet
Oh Refreshing Nectar
Yeah, increasing rarity seems to help find Legendary and Duo
mighty ermine
yeah i believe eurydice's refreshing nectar actually does affect duo/legendary appearance chance
sonic merlin
daddy just killed me
tranquil violet
I think they're roughly equivalent to Epic or a bit higher
sonic merlin
The pots are rather annoying when you have uncontrolled aoe
tranquil violet
But Duo and Legendary are in the same tier I believe
mighty ermine
same with yarn of ariadne
spare flare
It does.
smoky atlas
kk thanks guys
jaunty locust
wait Asterius' swing when charmed does like 1k to theseus? it does way less to me
how ripped is Zagreus
solid cairn
Does mirage shot work with Beowulf?
jaunty locust
hold on, mirace is the double direction shot, right?
well, beowulf makes *pulses8 around you right?
solid cairn
And is there anything other than aphro cast you recommend
unkempt pagoda
apparently stygian with trippy flare is good
smoky atlas
speaking of cast weapons, does ravenous will count "loaded" hera/beowulf as having no ammo
solid cairn
Charged flight is still good?
unkempt pagoda
pulses are still casts
"loaded" hera/beowulf as having no ammo
yes, when loaded the ammo count will still say 0/x
jaunty locust
oh yeah, but like, they aren't like the other casts, I feel?
unkempt pagoda
they're still considered casts
jaunty locust
right right
sorry, I just think they weren't sure if the pulses made that ability nto work
I thiiiiiink there's a couple boons that don't work with flares
unkempt pagoda
mirage shot only affects the ability to cast, not any single individual cast
solid cairn
Remember when mirage shot was just a tier 1 boon
smoky atlas
sounds fair and balanced
solid cairn
Oh and quick reload was also Artemis
jaunty locust
it's not gonna do much on bosses, but flood shot + sea storm + second wave + breaking wave is really shredding things
solid cairn
The prereq for fully loaded was 2 of exit wounds, dual shot, and quick reload
jaunty locust
which cast do you want for mirage shot?
solid cairn
That’s why it seems weird that only one prereq is cast related now
Exit wounds was the only Artemis cast boon that survived
unkempt pagoda
any cast benefits from mirage
jaunty locust
because it just increases the damage fullstop
unkempt pagoda
rearrange the question as "every cast wants mirage shot"
jaunty locust
yeah that makes sense
solid cairn
Well assuming the second one hits
unkempt pagoda
if you're going cast build, you want to go for mirage shot if it's convenient
jaunty locust
and it isn't always!
if you're doing a demeter cast build it might not be your wheelhouse
solid cairn
You have to get Poseidon too
jaunty locust
because you nee dhte poseideon or artemis cast first
unkempt pagoda
so true shot, any artemis cast duo, any poseidon cast duo, etc
jaunty locust
free? I mean you still need an artemis boon too
solid cairn
Yes but just put in on attack or special
unkempt pagoda
you don't need artemis or pos cast for mirage shot, btw
tranquil violet
Oh sorry
unkempt pagoda
it's just that true shot and flood shot are the most convenient for mirage shot
but any artemis/poseidon adjacent duo will have easier access to mirage shot, like blizzard shot or hunting blades
jaunty locust
OH right sorry, they're just in the list
jaunty locust
oh, ohhhhhh right of course the eris aspect, billowing strength, sweet surrender, and curse-bonus would work with aphrodite's aid
that was a biiiiiig number
river sable
Man I was about to complain about how lack-luster Guan-Yu felt when I realized I only had it at lvl 1 lol still won but damn having less than 80HP in final boss is a bit crazy
pallid dagger
i might hesitantly try Rama again tomorrow
do you guys build it up on the main attack or the special?
unkempt pagoda
i go attack but rama can do a hybrid just fine
spare flare
Main.
unkempt pagoda
twin shot + relentless, for example, with drunken flourish
or twin/triple shot + point-blank, all in on attack
spare flare
Tag with weak special, inflict a status with it, bang bang attack.
prisma raven
should i run zag shield max level or chaos shield level 3
unkempt pagoda
rama can also also do an entirely special build, i won one time by spamming thunder flourish relentless and going all in on zeus
pallid dagger
chaos shield level 3
zag shield is....what does it do again?
unkempt pagoda
you should run away from using shield ❤️
prisma raven
way buffed attack and dash-strike
unkempt pagoda
but probably zag shield
prisma raven
also no shield is awesome
pallid dagger
ehhhhh....
pallid dagger
i mean the bull rush is beautiful but is it enough to overtake chaos?
prisma raven
zag bull rush and chaos bull rush are the same aren't they
unkempt pagoda
yes
still vigil
has anyone found a build is the epitome of "Yout cant be killed if you kill them first?"
errant anchor
For Dashing Flight, does the special gain speed if it’s already in the air and then I start dashing?
river sable
every build, just don't get hit lol
prisma raven
way to play along
still vigil
now we wouldnt have this channel if that were the case now XD
prisma raven
i don't know the answer but i always go to fists for DPS
granted it's mostly because i play zag with plume and i have high dodge
river sable
tidal dash + zeus duo and some support is gross
still vigil
i strive to get bad news on crystal beam but hermes is so stingy
river sable
Chiron bow + relentless volley + concentrated volley is pretty fun too. Get crit on your special and you're golden
river sable
anything other than dio is great imo with that setup
still vigil
due to me almost always getting aphro's legendary if i run her
i like dio only if im runnin his health/dmg red passives or using trippy shot
hangover doesnt do it fer with how conditional it is
fer my playstyle anyways
lavish tinsel
Why won't this game give me the things in my pool
I don't want zeus or ares or literally anyone else I just want demeter and artemis like you just gave me
river sable
The game giveth and the game taketh away. Use god keepsakes
torn snow
any suggestions for Hera boons? I cant seem to get this weapon to work well
spare flare
Flood shot.
torn snow
I havent gotten any duo boons yet
torn snow
those are duo boons?
spare flare
Those are regular cast boons.
spare flare
@torn snow If you're that new, you ought to avoid this channel and the wiki.
Learn to use Coronacht first and foremost. Dash-strike and release when the charge flashes.
Aspect of Hera just takes your cast and loads it into your shot. It's pretty basic.
turbid needle
Does Hoarding Slash affect Dash-Strikes?
spare flare
"Attack hammers never affect Dash-Attacks. Attack boons always affect Dash-Attacks.
Dash-Strike hammers will only affect Dash-Attacks. Dash-Strike boons will also affect the Dash-Special on Malphon.
Rush Kick will affect both Special and Dash-Special on Malphon; the other Special hammers won't.
Everything else should be straightforward. Don't think I missed any of the odd ones."
tranquil violet
Step 1.
Get Duo
Step 2.
Discard only boon from one of the gods for a heroic one from another 😂
oblique forge
I play spear, anything I'm missing out on for Achilles builds?
jaunty locust
it's great for casts
half crater
^
tranquil violet
Try it with Heartbreak or Flood Shot
jaunty locust
yeah, the extra damage applies to casts too
so suddenly your demeter cast does a TON more damage
oblique forge
huh
cool
I'm more of a melee fighter (my fav hammer is flurry jab, last run I got that and +30% speed and removed the spine from the minotaur) but I'll keep that in mind!
brazen hornet
what keeps you chugging along when you just aren't feeling the boons you're getting? Sometimes it makes me just wanna kill myself....but then it's like I'm still gaining resources which is no matter what useful so bleh
lavish tinsel
I kill myself irl
It drives me mad
Sometimes it blesses you with unexpected stuff that works well together
But then sometimes it's just like
A bit of this a bit of that we're only gonna give you that free boon at the start for this entire floor and none of it works
Rng nobody wants 1 boon from every single god
This is frustrating me to hell
oblique forge
what keeps you chugging along when you just aren't feeling the boons you're getting? Sometimes it makes me just wanna kill myself....but then it's like I'm still gaining resources which is no matter what useful so bleh
@brazen hornet be risky as hell and die in Asphodel if you get bored
turbid needle
Yeah, if I'm really just through with a run I'll walk into the magma in chamber 16 and be done with it.
spare flare
I git gud. =D
oblique forge
listen I'm a coward I play with God Mode so if I die it's kinda beneficial
empty prairie
Up to like 80% anyway.
sonic merlin
Which gods have the highest overall damage buff for each type?
turbid needle
Define "type".
sonic merlin
Attack, Special, Dash
turbid needle
One boon set-ups or theoretical maximum potential?
empty prairie
Aphro, Aphro and I think overall DPS would be Poseidon. But I'm no expert.
turbid needle
Well, Artemis for Attack, Special, and Cast.
sonic merlin
Which has the highest base % increase
I thought it was aphrodite but maybe I'm wrong
empty prairie
I thought the math worked out in favour of Aphro over Artemis?
turbid needle
Aphrodite has the highest base boosts, but Artemis can crit, and further damage boosts get multiplied by crits.
It's been a while since I've seen the numbers, I could be misremembering.
sonic merlin
Is aphrodite consistently the highest for each of the attack types?
turbid needle
Except Cast and Dash.
sonic merlin
Who has higher base damage for those?
turbid needle
Either Ares or Dionysus for Cast, and Poseidon for Dash.
empty prairie
Ares cast is so bad, though.
can I please reroll hammers
sonic merlin
Only reason to get ares cast imo is for the duo
turbid needle
It's not easy to use, and Hunting Blades are also a thing.
barren otter
I think you don't really need HB if you get Engulfing Vortex.
turbid needle
Ooh, Engulfing Vortex is nice.
I finally figured out how to make Freezing Vortex work, pom the crap out of Black Metal and throw four Blade Rifts with Achilles and Arctic Blast.
sonic merlin
Am I playing this game wrong if I've never really tried a cast build?
Are they hard to get going? I don't have many aspects unlocked.
turbid needle
Nope.
I wouldn't worry about chasing specific builds until you've tried them and want to use them again. Experiment constantly.
sonic merlin
Flurry Slash, Piercing Wave, or Double Nova? Not super familiar with any of these.
barren otter
is your build focused on attack or special?
mellow quest
idk if it's just me but it doesn't feel like im getting 1 in 10 attacks shots as crits with the zag bow after the patch
rare kayak
go with whatever hasnt been chosen for prophecy, if not id go double nova
gilded nymph
I didn't know it was possible to go the entire asphodel without getting a boon from a keepsake
wtf
bleak iron
is lighting strike good on the fists?
gilded nymph
i had zeus keepsake and I'm yet to find a zeus boon
bleak iron
I feel like it might since it's a fast attack, but aren't sure
forest locust
Im really struggling on nemesis
What you guys running lol
Aphro atk and what special? Arte?
solid hazel
Anything... Really
Maybe Athena for safety
The main thing is you should be using dash attacks primarily for damGe
Dash attack in and thr immediately dash attack through the enemy again
forest locust
Yeah. Im around heat 15ish
solid hazel
So you end up kinda far away
sonic merlin
What aspects do you have unlocked?
solid hazel
Oh okay so you are familiar
forest locust
Yeah im just not sure what build to run lmao
solid hazel
I'm not a huge fan of nemesis to be honest
solid hazel
I like Arthur and Poisedon more
solid hazel
Dash attacks is the safest way to play nemesis which is still less safe than playing Arthur and Poisedon...
I typical Poisedon build i like is flood shot with exit wounds
solid hazel
Then just hunt for good duos like mirage shot and blizzard shot
solid hazel
With the +50% cast flood shot benefits a lot
solid hazel
Since aoe is so huge it kills mobs pretty easily
forest locust
Aphro/Pose?
solid hazel
Uhh whatever it takes to get the duos I want
Shouldn't be hitting attack that often...
And special is just to knock out blood stones
On Poisedon aspect your attack pattern is basically cast cast cast, special as safely as you can, pick up blood stones, cast cast cast
Most rooms are dead pretty fast
solid hazel
I hate kiting but cast builds don't feel like kiting to me
cunning urchin
@spare flare Coin Purse is great at any heat. I don't think I would seriously run Pom Blossom at high heat.
solid hazel
It's more like nuking... Rail feels like kiting to me
forest locust
i have hunter dash + aphro attack
good start
Might try poseidon special or athena
orchid marlin
Why does the 4th shield aspect not lodge bloodstones in the enemies it hit?
The casting bow doesn't do it sometimes either
solid hazel
Without Athena attack or Athena dash you a lot more vulnerable with dash attacks
spare flare
No? Huh. I thought that it was considered to be really strong. What's your take on keepsakes, then?
solid hazel
Hera is supposed to... Beowulf does flares which never does... I don't really know how to answer why
Cuz the devs didn't want it to?
orchid marlin
Wdym does flares?
solid hazel
All the cast boons have been replaced by the flare version
orchid marlin
I just didn't know if it was an issue with my specific boon or it was all boons that didn't lodge with beowulf
solid hazel
So instead of crush shot you get crush flare
It's a different boon that only shows up with beowulf aspect
orchid marlin
Yeah the only issue is you're losing out on the 50% damage or slowed debuff mirror perk without lodging
solid hazel
They never lodge and most of them for aoe... Damage is different on some too
The 50% damage is only for attack and special anyway
A lot of damage on beowulf is cast
I mean it seems like getting your bloodstones back faster is better than lodging anyway
So I don't really see the flare versions as a detriment
bleak iron
lol I'm getting all the zeus boons this run. Running fists on base form (so max dodge) with the plume for more dodge, and so far have the lighting on attack, and casts, with chain lighting goes further boon, jolted boon, and the legendary one that makes lighting strike when you use lighting boons
orchid marlin
Wait i didnt knos you got your bloodstone back faster with beowulg
solid hazel
You're using infernal soul right?
Stygian seems wrong on beowulf
If it doesn't lodge that means you get bloodstones back faster
cunning urchin
@spare flare 40+ meta is god > god > acorn > acorn. Sometimes god > coin purse > acorn > acorn, yes. Without EM3, you don't need acorn in Elysium tbh, but it doesn't hurt. So without ME3, you could do god > god/coin purse > god/coin purse/hourglass > acorn. Melee will sometimes go god > acorn > acorn > acorn.
For Beowulf, @weak moat apparently uses Stygian Soul with Trippy Flare and aims for Ice Wine. So that's a good option to consider.
I use Infernal Soul + Passion Flare.
spare flare
Wow, neat! Thanks.
bleak iron
Hmm... thoughts on the heavy knuckle hammer upgrade for the fists? not sure if that's actually better than the default or not...
solid hazel
prbably not if you're running zeus
I don't know for sure, but I would expect it to be a dps upgrade in isolation
bleak iron
is the trade off higher dmg per hit but less hits?
unkempt pagoda
lets you use heavier damage modifier gods on attack, rather than stacking on something like zeus or athena
unkempt pagoda
artemis and aphrodite come to mind
solid hazel
like naked normal fist attack vs naked heavy knuckle, I expect naked heavy knuckle to be better
otherwise no clue why it would be hammer
cunning urchin
Yeah, it would be a DPS upgrade if you didn't run Lightning Strike.
solid hazel
I wonder if he Zagreus ever barks "Feels lighter" after taking heavy knuckle
willow fossil
mort or battie?
cunning urchin
Antos.
willow fossil
no lol
cunning urchin
Bouldy and Darkness!
solid hazel
sounds like a cult's rallying cry
willow fossil
i dont like antos, but im stuck between mort and battie
bleak iron
hmm... I'm given the option to take Zeus's call lol
willow fossil
cant think straight
solid hazel
it's overrated
solid hazel
not Zeus's call...i meant thinking straight
cunning urchin
@bleak iron what else do you have?
solid hazel
antos is nice because it hits twice and never misses
so it's good for stripping armor
cunning urchin
Antos can miss.
solid hazel
oh really? haven't seen it before
cunning urchin
You can miss both attacks even lol.
cunning urchin
No, they kill Doomstone in record time lol.
I actually just call them when I run into Doomstone.
bleak iron
oh it doesn't let me share screenshots
so i have the lighting on attack and cast, and then the extra bounces, jolted, and lighting strike on lighting boon use
then I have weak on special, and hangover on dash
willow fossil
upload it to imgur
solid hazel
yup sounds like a zeus build
bleak iron
oh and auto cast return
options right now are zeus call, lighting revenge, or lighting reflexes
solid hazel
I mean I'd take zeus call...
worn crypt
Is the 5% gold damage hammer upgrade for sword additional base damage, or like a flat bonus on top of the rest of your damage?
unique lichen
the hit to bow special isn't that bad for chiron since you get an extra arrow
solid hazel
getting hit or near missing stuff isn't really part of my game plan usually
gilded nymph
is eris the best gun aspect?
worn crypt
I feel like it has to be base
gilded nymph
or do i invest in the hidden one
cunning urchin
Yeah, I'd take the Call.
unique lichen
with stacking damage buff it might even be more
bleak iron
yeah was leaning towards that, I'm most of the way through Elysium
and really want to make sure I have one
and the other two are meh
solid hazel
@worn crypt the hoarding slash is a flat damage upgrade on top of everything else
so it's pretty bad
worn crypt
Oh really
cunning urchin
They're pretty good. Call is better, though.
solid hazel
also it doesn't work on dash strike
worn crypt
Yeah that is bad then
unique lichen
just get 1500 gold
untold iris
i feel like the hidden gun aspect is too big brain for me
cunning urchin
It's just straight up the best aspect.
worn crypt
I would take it if I had flurry slash I think, that's probably about it
gilded nymph
and also for nemesis sword, is artemis dash and attack best way to go?
solid hazel
yeah give up 10 boons of gold for 75 damage an attack
gilded nymph
with aphro special
untold iris
i try to make it good and then i just spend too much time trying to setup bombs in fights and im not playing attention to enemies and die
turbid needle
Might switch to Aphro Attack and Artemis Special.
cunning urchin
^
gilded nymph
what about artemis dash?
turbid needle
Yeah, keep that.
solid hazel
divine dash is the safest thing
gilded nymph
ok cool thanks
solid hazel
arty dash is big number though...
cunning urchin
It's either Hunter Dash or Divine Dash for Nemesis.
untold iris
i feel like my sword/fist runs that dont have deflect in the build somewhere die a LOT LOT easier
untold iris
whereas you can skip deflect on safer weapons and be fine
cunning urchin
Or death.
solid hazel
I also find that most people do a poor job of evaluating Damage reduction during the build
they'll say things like. I like having 200 HP at Theseus
but it depends a lot on if you have weak consistently applied
and all other Damage reduction/dodge considerations
untold iris
my playstyle is that damage is the best form of damage reduction
the faster enemies die the less damage you take
solid hazel
I mean that's true up to a certain point
untold iris
though you want to work in some protection somewhere
solid hazel
you get diminishing returns on damage eventaully, but you don't on damage reduction
like all poms scale worse the higher you go
golden oar
Poseidon/Zeus builds melts a lot, I like to go for those.
willow fossil
yeah the higher the level, the less effective the pom is
like lvl 1>2 is amazing but lvl 6>7 is kinda bad
youre better off upgrading something else
solid hazel
yup generally true
cunning urchin
It doesn't drop anymore after like Lv.4~5, though. You'll always get a certain minimum with every pom.
bleak iron
this zeus build was intense
bleak iron
ended up with 28.8% dodge chance from the boon 😄
cunning urchin
Nice nice.
bleak iron
lol I'm still focused on learning all the interactions, highest heat is 6
still have plenty of room to grow
but still, not bad for having started with 1.0 😄
cunning urchin
So do I tbh.
rare kayak
nyaanyaa whats ur fastest time
willow fossil
Guys mort or battie 
void fjord
if you can learn to time it properly, mort is better dmg wise
and AOE wise also i think
willow fossil
Like what about just using it straight up at the beginning lets say in the champions fight, would they be out in time?
Or in the hades fight per se
willow fossil
It should save in your last room
willow fossil
If it restarts for some odd reason you can still recover following #h1-tech-fixes
gilded nymph
I really don't wanna lose this run
cunning urchin
@rare kayak 11:51.92.
willow fossil
But the game saves everytime you pick up a boon or enter a new room
It will tell you when you put your mouse over quit
"Last time saved was x mins ago"
tranquil violet
Well time to try Hades again
I have a very weird fists build after having never even gotten past Elysium with fists
Aspect of Demeter
Frost Strike 5 (Rare)
Divine Flourish 2 (Heroic)
Trippy Shot 4
Mistral Dash
Ice Wine
Stubborn Roots
Positive Outlook 3
Abyssal Flourish
Killing Freeze
Blinding Flash
Greater Evasion
Arctic Blast (Epic)
With Rush Kick and Concentrated Knuckle hammers.
Pretty much everything hits hard which is nice
Ice Wine and the dash slow and stun enemies so I can beat them down :p
Works nicely
And Demeter + Arctic Blast gives nice burst DPS
Passive heal is nice too