And Artemis for the special
#h1-builds-and-combat
restive rain
turbid needle
ty
restive rain
Oh that hidden aspect is quite quite good
turbid needle
i guess a better question is how to get the spear's hidden aspect
unkempt pagoda
did you check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
coarse tendon
holy moly this sword is garbo against theseus @restive rain
latent elk
the hidden aspect sword?
coarse tendon
y
latent elk
the slowness really hurts it
restive rain
Tbh I don’t remember having a problem with Theseus but I can see why that would be a problem
I would just dash behind him and stab away though. Or use my cast to poke at him
coarse tendon
I hate theseus as melee in general but this sword makes it next level 😛
latent elk
I struggle with the spear more than any other weapon
restive rain
Yeahhhh lol Theseus’ shield makes him so annoying, and for a slow melee weapon that does make it worse
latent elk
your timing needs to be spot-on for Theseus
coarse tendon
yeah not a fan of spear too @latent elk
latent elk
with slow weapons
coarse tendon
fists most fun imo 😄
latent elk
sometimes it REALLY sucks fighting him
fists are great
I'm always the most nervous, because there's little room for error
but, it's so fun
restive rain
The last two aspects for spear are what make the weapon for me
restive rain
||Hades||
Anything that emphasizes the spin attack is just what makes it so good. And I always get the hammer that reduces the spin charge and recover time
latent elk
ah, right
I rarely use the spin attack
maybe I should consider it
since I struggle with the spear
restive rain
Spin attack is fantastic, but the slow charge makes you real vulnerable
coarse tendon
tactic for theseus is to kill the minotaur first yeah?
latent elk
that's a good point
generally, yes
I find it a lot easier to down the minotaur first
restive rain
Yeah cuz then you can just wait for the openings on Theseus.
Draws the fight out a bit but there’s less risk at that point
latent elk
otherwise when you go to backstab Theseus, the Bull winds up ping-ponging you between him and Theseus with their twin spins
and it gets costly
restive rain
Yeah I’ll just run along the outside and draw Asterius away from Theseus, take him out, then focus on Theseus
robust anchor
yes dray if you pick chiron bow, the hammer will never offer charged volley
restive rain
Also, don’t know if this is a spoiler but ||Antos Companion|| makes the first phase of Theseus asterius kind of a joke
robust anchor
some aspects are incompatible woth certain hammers thats all
latent elk
those are literally the only two aspects of the bow I use, too
hearty elbow
yes dray if you pick chiron bow, the hammer will never offer charged volley
@robust anchor This was a cruel meme in Blood Price but makes perfect sense in 1.0 lol.
prisma dove
Is there a way to get a 100% crit on a build using Atri?
unkempt pagoda
if you're playing on the test build, you just have to pom up your deadly strike/flourish 😛
half crater
practically speaking, you’ll prolly only get it against hunter’s mark targets tho
wait what
unkempt pagoda
but regularly, get hunter's mark, pressure points, and a duo like deadly reversal
half crater
they gonna make poms stack crit chance?
unkempt pagoda
no, sgg broke something and now pomming those boons makes them add the +% modifier to crit chance
half crater
lmaooo
finite nova
Wait, how do you make a build? Isn't it rng?
half crater
keepsakes and fate mostly
by fate i mean fated persuasion, not just luck lol
also luck is involved 😛
unkempt zephyr
i just give you video. when you see how mark work. and feels like 100%crit chance. its Live version. not test version.
finite nova
Oh idk what fates persuasion is yet so I'll probably wait
unkempt pagoda
well, there's some behinds-the-scenes stuff that makes building easier at base, but mostly using fated dice and keepsakes
half crater
it’s the alternate option of the last mirror talent
so it takes a while to get it yeah
you can do okay with just keepsakes tho
stark ore
Are hidden fists supposed to give you extra dashes and make them automatic? I swear I didn't have Greatest Reflex but I still had 4 dashes.
turbid needle
Yup.
stark ore
Ah, ok. Thx
worn crypt
That might be the only time I've seen lucifer special look good, very cool @unkempt zephyr
unkempt zephyr
@worn crypt Special good.Looks you underestimate it)
worn crypt
Probably. I don't really enjoy Lucifer so I haven't played with it much
turbid needle
so since Zeus special on Chiron isnt good, what should i put on special and attack?
solid cairn
pretty much anything else
unkempt pagoda
i go frost flourish for arctic blast
worldly trellis
turbid needle
sniper shot or explosive?
worn crypt
Sniper shot feels too hard to reliably hit imo
unkempt zephyr
Sniper shot feels too hard to reliably hit imo
@worn crypt yup. in test brunch Zone for sniper shot already double size
its probably comes to live with 100%
worn crypt
Oh cool. That will be nice. All of the "distant" damage buffs feel pretty bad I think, but sniper shot is worst
unkempt zephyr
Mb not so large how in test. but they increase zone.
unkempt zephyr
agree
worn crypt
Is there a secret to liking Guan Yu? I think that's my least favorite weapon atm, but some people seem to love it. Though I haven't played it for a long time...
unkempt pagoda
GY i always go either artemis or aphro special
use the charged skewer hammer
ez win
worn crypt
Seems kinda zzzz
unkempt zephyr
Is there a secret to liking Guan Yu? I think that's my least favorite weapon atm, but some people seem to love it. Though I haven't played it for a long time...
@worn crypt ask @cunning urchin about GY.
hazy slate
Either a special or spin build is ideal on gy I think
plain violet
what does "your special is faster" do for zeus shield? anything?
does it just up the dps of your special I guess?
turbid needle
I don't think it ticks any faster, but it does move faster.
plain violet
ah not taking that then, don't want it to move faster
turbid needle
I don't hate that setting, but that's also because I like to throw it out early.
If you only ever throw it right on top of enemies then you're right to avoid it.
plain violet
I used to hate zeus shield and now I really like it
funny how different weapons feel better on different heats
turbid needle
I think Zeus clicked on my second run and it's my favorite Shield Aspect.
turbid needle
I'm told new Chaos is still good once it hits level 5.
plain violet
I maxed it but wasn't a fan
turbid needle
Zag is incredible, one of the strongest Aspects in the game, but it's very very boring.
plain violet
granted I had a weak build with chaos, but even a weaker build seems funner with zeus
turbid needle
Poseidon's call with enough boon do be real OP though, fricking nuke everything
plain violet
I will say zeus shield is annoying in cutscense though lol
I had sea storm with poseidons call and it just killed all the things
turbid needle
i greater call Poseidon, nuke Hades' 2nd phase 50% hp, then summon Than and phase 2 barely last 10 sec
plain violet
Boudly is my favorite
I always take him because the free hp and money is kinda nice
does the darkness from boudly regen health if I take dark regen?
I normally use +3 health per room so unsure about that interaction
unkempt zephyr
does the darkness from boudly regen health if I take dark regen?
@plain violet yes
plain violet
oh man I might switch to dark regen then
especially if I'm taking bouldy
I maxed mirror totally of 1 side so maxing alternate options too now
yes I can use the key every time but ehhhhh I wanna max it
turbid needle
wish dark regen actually reach 100% though
cause both the rare occassion of getting darkness and the scarce amount of darkness you tak each time really make dark regen look like a bad deal
plain violet
I take darkness all the time because bonus hp
but I usually avoid it when there's a better option yeah
turbid needle
its weird how darkness usually or always appear in the 2nnd chanber of Tartarus
and whenever there's darkness, the adjacent room is highly likely gemstone
if there are 3 doors, then its usually both darkness and gemstone while the 3rd is either nectar or key
quick question
which shield should i choose when Chaos is kinda nerfed now
and which boon/god should i take if i run Beowulf?
robust anchor
its most popular to go aph or art special and pray for charged special hammer
if you want casts can do dio otherwise idk lol
also chaos shield is still fine with zeus special
languid flume
chaos is still good despite the nerfs, its definitely not AS good though
unkempt zephyr
its still Holy cow room cleaner
turbid needle
wait so Beowulf: aphro special, Dio cast, anything for attack/charge, aphro too?
robust anchor
a special build is aph special and charged flight hammer. another build is dio cast and whatever on attack. i would not go both builds on one run
red mist
@turbid needle zag shield?
turbid needle
Well, it's the shield, and it makes your Attack and Dash-Strike (both with very strong Hammers) base 40 damage.
red mist
I can see that, but do compare it to beowulf
turbid needle
I'm not huge on Beowulf, I haven't used it much.
You wanna ask someone like Nyaanyaa who has more high Heat experience with it.
robust anchor
with zag shield get the hammer that makes so you wont knockback
knockback is actually a detriment kekw
turbid needle
really though, how to build Beowulf? im still confused
robust anchor
i just told you two different builds
turbid needle
so just choose nothing on attack?
robust anchor
yea but if a good attack pops up you can take it
your main focus is either special or cast
toxic prism
Hi everyone. I have a question regarding the "+% damages" bonuses when it comes to things like lightning and poison effects. If I have a Chaos boon that boost my attack damages, and I have Dionysus Attack boon for exemple, is the poison stacks applied by my attacks benefit from the Attack bonus or not ?
red mist
nope
plain violet
what are boons that sound good on paper but are actual trash
red mist
anything that says they affect the damage of Attack, Special, or Cast does not affect boons
toxic prism
Oh really ?
unkempt pagoda
hangover, lightning, and doom are separate sources of damage
turbid needle
Additional effects that aren't the direct Attack/Special/Cast require a specific buff for it or a universal damage buff.
unkempt pagoda
they aren't part of the attack/special itself, the ability just activates them
turbid needle
apparently only pressure point affect everything
There's a lot of different things that are universal.
red mist
FF/PS are universal
turbid needle
Pressure Points, Black Out, Billowing Strength, Pierced Butterfly.
unkempt pagoda
there's a bunch of global damage boosts in the game, just gotta look for them
toxic prism
@unkempt pagoda yea, that's why I was wondering how it worked.
Thanks everyone for the inputs !
unkempt pagoda
deadly reversal and splitting headache, eris, bad influence
unkempt zephyr
Pressure Points, Black Out, Billowing Strength, Pierced Butterfly.
@turbid needle if you dont know how boons work please...dont say it.
Black Out work only on hangover
unkempt pagoda
no, schpoon is right
black out is all damage, it just only affects hangover-inflicted foes in fog
worn crypt
That's a yikes
toxic prism
That was my understanding too, the bonus seems to be global
turbid needle
The damage buff from Black Out is universal.
It just requires enemies to be Hungover.
worn crypt
That would be an awful legendary if it just made your hangover slightly better
cunning urchin
I thought it requires you/Zagreus to be hungover.
unkempt zephyr
one of the most powerfulls buffs to all damage its artemis Duo with athena and with Dio. this duo most powerfull impact to damage. and Artemis mark universal damage buff working with every damage.
cunning urchin
Hangover-afflicted, foes take bonus damage in Festive Fog.
Are you saying there is no comma there?
rare kayak
not a big fan of black out but thats also because im really bad at keeping things within festive
tfw party pooper 😔
oh and dont forget strong drink
pretty sure thats universal too
hearty elbow
I was told recently that it is not
rare kayak
its not?
unkempt zephyr
That would be an awful legendary if it just made your hangover slightly better
@worn crypt when your hangover do 500-700damage every 0.35 second its not ~~slightly ~~ better.
unkempt pagoda
strong drink should be universal, all it says is "bonus damage"
turbid needle
It can spawn without prereq.
unkempt pagoda
unless sgg is doing a tricky wording goof
hearty elbow
I haven't tested it, and I don't remember who, but I remember them being very certain, and someone I wasn't going to trivially dismiss
Some grains of salt there obv
turbid needle
I haven't tested it, and I don't remember who, but I remember them being very certain, and someone I wasn't going to trivially dismiss
@hearty elbow Liiittle bit Spongebob "Well his name wasn't important. But he was famous, alright." energy.
worn crypt
Seems like it wouldn't be too hard to test
hearty elbow
Doom probably the easiest choice
cunning urchin
@untold vortex is the person who told you Strong Drink wasn't global, but I'm very sure they just meant it's additive and not multiplicative (because they were explaining that most damage is additive to Cinematic).
untold vortex
yeah, that's what I meant :3
hearty elbow
Lol, @cunning urchin I'm surprised you were able to glean meaning out of that meandering mess of a description I gave.
cunning urchin
from: ledgerdamayn#2716 strong drink
Easy search lol.
Plus, I was there at the time.
Or at least reading chat.
worn crypt
Are there any builds that you want the uhhh.... not backstab mirror perk. I haven't used it for so long that I don't even remember the name of it.
turbid needle
Fiery Presence?
unkempt pagoda
well, don't use it right now
turbid needle
Zag Bow and Hestia kinda can.
unkempt pagoda
the description doesn't match its effect atm
turbid needle
They are both the Alpha Strike Aspects, but even then you only get one hit against bosses.
untold vortex
the description is correct, the value isn't it says +100% on live but it's only doing +50%
(which is fixed in the test branch build but reduced to +75%)
unkempt zephyr
(which is fixed in the test branch build but reduced to +75%)
@untold vortex i have a qeustion. breaking blue hearts counts as first damage?
turbid needle
No.
They will take Fiery Presence "damage" until they've taken their first hit of Armor/health damage.
worn crypt
Oh. I suppose that's good on Hestia because cast usually doesn't backstab anyway. Or at least... kinda viable.
turbid needle
Hera uses Casts, Hestia is the third Rail Aspect, reloading makes the first shot of the magazine hit harder.
worn crypt
OH lmao oops, that makes a lot more sense
unkempt zephyr
Hera uses Casts, Hestia is the third Rail Aspect, reloading makes the first shot of the magazine hit harder.
@turbid needle Not damage from attack first hit ? its cast on hera?
turbid needle
Aspect of Hera is on the bow, pressing Cast loads Bloodstones.
worn crypt
I think I've tried it on Hestia before. Didn't seem great, but that may be because it's not working as intended.
turbid needle
It's working as intended, just not at the right value.
Wait wait.
No, attacking with loaded Hera will not get FP bonus to the Casts.
unkempt zephyr
Aspect of Hera is on the bow, pressing Cast loads Bloodstones.
@turbid needle i know it. im asking about Cast damage hit first or damage from attack?
turbid needle
The Attack will use up the damage buff.
unkempt zephyr
then its garbage.
graceful perch
it's not though??
turbid needle
Yeah, Fiery Presence has always been demonstrably worse.
unkempt zephyr
for most weapons and builds
worn crypt
Sorry for turning my one misunderstanding into mass confusion
unkempt zephyr
Fiery Presence king a cool for speed runs but not for middle ot high heat. specialy with DC1 or DC 2. its can works with room cleaning. like Ahillies +zeus cast or athena cast with zeus Duo... but...
But blue hearts Gate. and Armor gate...
north panther
What can you take on ||Rama|| for taking down big lads? I have Aphro on attack and Athena for special but its still kinda weak
robust anchor
i dont play that aspect but look in high heat pins for some videos. its what i do when learning new aspects
rama pretty popular
clear tree
If I wear the Lambent Plume through Tartarus and gain some +% movement speed / dodge, then switch the keepsake out before entering Asphodel, do I retain the speed and dodge?
barren otter
clear tree
Damn. Wasted it then ;D
sullen valley
You know what I’m kinda curious about?
mighty ermine
@north panther huh, rama with heartbreak strike should be far from weak (hah!). Just keep in mind that you'll want to apply shared suffering always before attacking, and dash-strike power shots are very worth it on 1.0 rama. The special is rarely used for damage itself outside of cases with dio or sometimes zeus
sullen valley
Zag Rail + Doom (+ Doom Stacks, Impending Doom, and Aphro Ares Duo)
north panther
I did! Its just. Hrmn, it seemed like it wasn't doing a lot. The chargeup seems slower
mighty ermine
Strange, because rama is kind of known for doing a lot, and scaling well with high +% boons. The charge is slower but the payoff for timing those shots should be consistently worth it
north panther
Hrmnnn. Maybe it just wasn't pommed enough
jaunty locust
how low on the conversation priority is hidden aspects
lethal chasm
?
rama also deals 30% more when maxed
much more chunk
never had a problem w it not deleting tho tbh
esp w aphro
hybrid galleon
im still very sad seeing artemis legendary doesnt get back to 3 cast
she has the most underwhelming legendary compared to any other gods really
robust anchor
are you advancing dialogue lol
did you follow the directions that are pinned in #h1-story-discussion
orchid marlin
The 4th gun aspect seems pretty awkward
lethal chasm
thats hella weird @jaunty locust got it first kill
4th is awkard at first
more tactical w the bomb lol
dark quail
What are the fastest room clearing aspects?
woeful badge
Demeter fists or Eris rail i would say
jaunty locust
got what first kill?
no, I think the problem for me is that ||Achilles|| is CONSTANTLY talking to other people or involved in other side quests
robust anchor
@dark quail on speedrun dot com, in the top 10, 9 people used eris rail and one deme fist kekw
you need to sift through the built up dialogue
is he still giving the yello exclam
jaunty locust
yes, I unlocked 5 aspects
I've unlocked almost every aspect
now ||orpheus|| is talking to him
dark quail
The grind for weapons is a bit too much imo
robust anchor
one run takes 20-25m
jaunty locust
I'm in the meantime basically doing runs to buy the extra titan blood or diamonds from the end
it takes about that itme, but I often pause to watch stuff or chat, so I'm not fast
woeful badge
One aspect is 7-8 runs though
dark quail
I've beaten new heat levela about 50 times, solved the prophecies for titan blood, yet i'm still far away from unlocking all aspects
woeful badge
That’s a lot
dark quail
Oh i don't think it's too hard, just too time consuming
jaunty locust
yeah, it's purchasing it and then hoping you get some of the cheap costs in the trader
jaunty locust
I'm starting on it now to save me a headache later, because boy howdy do I know I'm not gonna be able to get TOO high on heat
dark quail
Yeah i've also bought titan blood most of the time at the shop
jaunty locust
the frustration here is that I want to play around with the aspects people keep talking about but I can't yet
woeful badge
I’m sad that I got to heat 20 and I don’t get anymore rewards
jaunty locust
....and it feels wrong to just intentionally take quick deaths
robust anchor
thats rough buddy
hybrid galleon
@robust anchor heres your honor
empty prairie
Besides Guan Yu what's the least poop spear? Because Zag is super not good.
robust anchor
i asked haelian this on stream and he likes achil spear with zeus cast
however tails has done several 50heat runs with hades spear so i guess its a matter of taste
mighty ermine
It doesn't need it, but it's still a good hammer for it, yeah
empty prairie
What makes for a good Hades build?
mighty ermine
Frequent spins to apply the debuff, serrated point for attack builds, exploding launcher for special builds
Deadly strike since crits scale amazingly with the maxed +150%
cunning urchin
Gigaros Aspect, Helm of Darkness keepsake, Urn call, and I would pick either the Superelite Strongbow or the Superelite Megagorgon companion.
mighty ermine
Shhh you're spoiling the secret 5th aspect dlc pack
cunning urchin
Go for spin attacks and just spam skulls everywhere.
I like the thrust > skull > skull combo a lot.
hearty elbow
His laser special is a trap, they're looking to buff it in the next patch, it leaves wide open to attacks
A real issue
lethal chasm
wowowow achilles spear just got me my record
blizzard shot and flood shot at like lvl 7
4k casts on redacted
cunning urchin
@hearty elbow sounds like you didn't level up your aspect yet. 
cunning urchin
Oh wait no. You didn't have ||the extra DD||. Gotta level your mirror.
cunning urchin
Lucky Tooth adds one.
empty prairie
You can.
lethal chasm
? dont you have only 3
cunning urchin
Master Chaos's legendary gives you a DD.
empty prairie
Chaos, lucky tooth, mirror.
lethal chasm
from mirror?
hearty elbow
5 actual DDs, or not including Lucky Tooth
cunning urchin
And you can get that multiple times.
spiral tree
I got 4 DD's with that 1 keepsake
lethal chasm
ah
spiral tree
wait chaos boon gives an exta DD?
empty prairie
3 mirror + 1 lucky tooth + chaos boon.
cunning urchin
Once upon a time, you could get a lot more DDs anyway. @mighty ermine would probably know about that.
@spiral tree yes, that's the legendary.
hearty elbow
Conversely you can get 2 Athena Death Defiance, 1 Chaos DD, 1 Stubbon Defiance, and Tooth
lethal chasm
athenas add +1 if you're full?
mighty ermine
I was just about to say lol
Kiss of styx and athena DDs used to disregard any limit at all
You could just easily get like seven DDs by elysium
hearty elbow
athenas add +1 if you're full?
@lethal chasm Only if you are missing a DD or SD.
mighty ermine
Yes
spiral tree
If you have all 3 and get a replenish doesnt give me a 4th
hearty elbow
Athena will still grant DDs if you have SD active
spiral tree
kiss of styx gives you 1 exta?
mighty ermine
No, only replenishes now
spiral tree
oh it used to
mighty ermine
Yeah
empty prairie
I'm using Arthur and my hammer choices are piercing wave, double edge and double Nova. Any suggestions? Piercing wave seems like the best choice.
cunning urchin
Double Edge.
mighty ermine
Piercing wave is very underwhelming on Arthur unless you're specifically using it to deal with DC hearts
Even then you typically want other hammers
empty prairie
Doesn't that make the aura kind of superfluous though?
cunning urchin
Why? It's still a protective aura that slows down projectiles, lets you walk on magma, disables platform traps . . .
jade rover
wait, I had no idea it disabled traps
empty prairie
Yeah, it's pretty useful for that.
jade rover
I really gotta read the things the game says lmao
silk anvil
reading is more of a suggestion @jade rover
cunning urchin
I don't know if the game tells you.
silk anvil
It did say it disables traps at one point, iirc
jade rover
(In my defense, sword is by far my least used weapon, I think I've done two arthur runs.)
cunning urchin
It didn't disable platform traps at first but made them difficult to see, which was a common complaint in the feedback channel. Then somebody suggested it should just disable traps, that's when they added that.
And also the walking on magma thing, I think.
cunning urchin
lol
silk anvil
coulda sworn I got exal when it came out, but then again, maybe I'm a fool / darn NPCs never told me the secret code
jade rover
I played pre release until I couldn't get more hearts with Artemis and stopped until 1.0 lmao
cunning urchin
Stygian Blade (Arthur Aspect): adjusted hitboxes to better match attack visuals; defensive aura prevents floor traps from activating; defensive aura briefly flashes before it expires
silk anvil
In any case: my current fish to fry is being nicked by poison puddles instantly in satyr tunnels. I had 5 dashes (double-dash + 3 hermes dashes), so I should've very well been able to dash through continuously without attacking and still have i-frames, no?
so someone please tell me why the floor full of rat piddles always procc'd on me
cunning urchin
A week into Nighty Night.
silk anvil
yeah, a week of gameplay before they gave me excal sounds about right >:c
jade rover
Am I the only one who has a incredibly difficult time with Aphrodite's trail over any other god's?
austere shadow
No
cunning urchin
I don't have a difficult time with her trial at all. I actually have the best time in the world with it.
silk anvil
Am I the only one who has a incredibly difficult time with Aphrodite's trail over any other god's?
@jade rover you mean when you choose another god over her?
jade rover
Ye
frank tide
tfw you grab the anvil and now your charged shots do 2k damage but take 3 years to charge
cunning urchin
Because I would never not pick her first.
empty prairie
Posi for me. I hate trying to dodge the wave that I can barely see.
austere shadow
Hers, Dionysus' and Athenas are probably my least favorite trials
silk anvil
Because I would never not pick her first.
@cunning urchin aphro vs. athena?
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is unparalleled.
willow fossil
aight guys, greater reflex, or ruthless reflex
silk anvil
it seems a bit bonkers to me that you can disarm aprhodite's <3's if you've got athena shield dash... but otherwise, you dash through them, and then they 180 and keep on you
game devs pls. we know love hurts.
frank tide
also yeah her and posidon are awful if you don't pick them
austere shadow
Poseidon's is more tolerable since he doesn't stun you
willow fossil
he just drags you to oblivion
frank tide
but compared to the other gods where you might as well just be having a normal fight?
jade rover
Demeter>Dio>Ares>Arty>Zeus>Water>Athena>Aphro, or something like that for me
Where Demeter is the one I'm most likely to piss off.
empty prairie
Greater consecration or breaching slash?
jade rover
oh, and I'd use ruthless
@willow fossil
depends on your pact, maybe, but I'd take Consecration
empty prairie
EM1, benefits package and middle management.
jade rover
Yeah, Consecration
empty prairie
Walking into Styx with half health and one DD. Woop.
cobalt field
which God's boon do you take for the exagryph special most of the time?
cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish.
untold vortex
zeus special has a 0.2 second internal cooldown
frank tide
it hits multiple enemies just fine
untold vortex
(single target)
robust anchor
also chiron special does nice base damage, so art special or aph special scale better with it
chiron special hits one enemy
frank tide
yeah but I want a lightning storm :(
robust anchor
:(
frank tide
imagine firing at a dude and he gets hit by 20 lightning bolts
empty prairie
Besides splash dash, what's good for Gilgamesh? The usual Aphrodite attack, Crits and whatever on special?
robust anchor
merciful end kekw
empty prairie
Doom on attack and Athena dash?
empty prairie
Does it matter which one I get first for duo boons?
robust anchor
no
empty prairie
Just got merciful end online. Holy damn that's just good fun.
frank tide
also how tf do you deal with satyrs
I die more to satyrs than I do to [redacted]
use a fountain? oh well you're poisoned again instantaneously
empty prairie
They're my least favourite part of this game sometimes. Try to deflect them or just kill them super quickly.
That Satyr chief that spits out like 8 shots is the bane of my existence every time.
Damn, if I hadn't cleared out all 5 tunnels to buy a Titan's blood, I would have had about a 17 minute IGT.
eager tulip
time the dodge, hide behind stuffs, stay near fountains to cure immediately, use the broken spear keepsake
serene zealot
Guys what is some build for Aspect of Gilgamesh?
I have tried the Tidal dash build 🤔
willow fossil
use a fountain? oh well you're poisoned again instantaneously
@frank tide broken spearpoint helps with that
empty prairie
@serene zealot I just finished a merciful end build and it was crazy good.
serene zealot
Merciful end build? :O
empty prairie
Doom on attack, Athena special and dash, merciful end duo boon. And if you can swing it, impending doom.
serene zealot
Oh :O, I think I have tried that, insane damage
empty prairie
Don't even need to let go of the buttons. Build basically plays itself.
serene zealot
empty prairie
Could also do a Demeter build with Arctic Blast.
serene zealot
Oh? Demeter on attack or special?
empty prairie
Attack.
If you can get some attack speed upgrades from Hermes, you'll proc Arctic blast a lot.
dark quail
Which zagreus aspects are not useless?
serene zealot
Yeah Hermes is great with Gilgamesh
Which zagreus aspects are not useless?
I think the spear... It's fast as hell and dodgy
probably the least useless spear aspect
empty prairie
Rail and gloves, in my opinion.
serene zealot
Oh noe not rail
I cried the first time I use a lot of keys to unlock it
But it does get better
empty prairie
Zag rail is dummy simple. Dodge to reload, no thinking required.
silk anvil
did they make it so dodging auto-reloads? or do you still have to let go of attack? 
dark quail
Oh yeah, what's a good build for zagreus gloves where you increase dodge chance?
empty prairie
I believe the only one you have to let go of attack is Lucifer.
@dark quail The mirror upgrade with the increased dodge after a near miss and the Hermes dodge chance. After that, I like splash dash and Aphrodite attack.
empty prairie
I've only played Lucifer once but I didn't really like it, honestly.
ocean mango
Did they change the elysium archers in any of the latest major patch? Juts came back from a pause since the night update, and I'm having major trouble with them when I never did before. Seems like they're firing more arrows than they used to?
reef galleon
You can look up the patch notes, but I personally didn't notice any significant changes
limber flax
when was latest patch
ocean mango
There are soooo many notes to go through though :P
main zodiac
guys, what exactly does demeter legendary boon
just kill the unit when it reach 10% of hp?
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
You can let them know in #hades-localization.
main zodiac
ty
tawny meadow
because they did...it could have been inaccurate for 1.0
cunning urchin
No, it's pinned in #h1-for-new-players.
They just pinned it there and unpinned it here.
tawny meadow
I still can't believe they actually buffed Eris for 1.0
untold vortex
Yeah, pinned it there instead of here because it's much more relevent in that channel
fluid scaffold
is the rocket upgrade for rail supposed to slow your special reload by a lot?
I did grab the 3 charges upgrade with it so it might just be a janky interaction
tawny meadow
same reload, just notice it more since the rocket is faster IIRC
unkempt zephyr
is the rocket upgrade for rail supposed to slow your special reload by a lot?
@fluid scaffold That nice idea for nerf)))Totaly 🤣
brittle vault
ugh how can you tell if you did a power rush with the shield?
fluid scaffold
yeah it was like 2.5s between volleys where it just didn't work
brittle vault
i can't tell what the cue is for the power rush right now
tawny meadow
did you get the hammer for it?
brittle vault
yep
tawny meadow
it flashes just like the bow does... IDK I've never found it too terribly hard to get
brittle vault
i can get it on the bow, i just can't do it on the shield
i guess on the bow i do it because i know the timing sort of.
but i don't know how it is on the shield
nvm, i think i'm getting it due to the charge up sound
incidentally, does anyone know what the bullrush takes its damage from?
tawny meadow
Attack
cunning urchin
Bull Rush base damage is 20–40.
brittle vault
thank you
obsidian mantle
Any builds you guys recommend for arthur?
reef galleon
I heard people here go for athena + artemis for 5k critical backstab damage or smth
jaunty solar
yea with artemis you can get 1.5k easy
never tried to optimize an arthur build tho
so idk about 5k
mellow quest
man i am not a fan of Cold Embrace (Demeter + Aphrodite duo). even on fists i would rather have it stick to the target rather than to me
plus there's no bonuses to its damage like Crystal Clarity gives it
wonder if it'd be better to take Glacial Glare and change it into the duo, so that weakened foes are also chilled by the beam touching them
empty field
does uhh... does this item not work how i think it works? https://i.imgur.com/izqR9WG.png shouldn't that be an ares boon? it's the next boon i've seen since equipping the vial of blood
timber creek
@empty field Hermes boons are separate from the other boon pool. He's special and only appears 2-3 times, but on every single run ever
Asphodel is one of his guaranteed spawn areas
You'll get your Ares afterwards, when the next opportunity arrives
empty field
ahh, okay. hermes just too quick for the other olympians 😄
and yeah, the hermes room had an elite ares exit
timber creek
I'll mention that hammers are also guaranteed in certain areas, Tartarus & Elysium, but sometimes the game will mess with you by putting them in a shop rather than for free
If you were to reach Elysium and Hermes + Hammer are the options, you can take Hermes and the hammer will almost always reappear in the next couple rooms
the game tries to give you 2 very hard
empty field
@mellow quest Oh my god(s) I love little touches like that. The dialogue in this game is pure gold
mellow quest
Yeah. i really dunno if Supergiant could ever outdo Hades.
except perhaps with a sequel called Olympus
turbid needle
done a Beowulf run last night, the run was horrendously slow
it was a mirracle i even survive EL3 without losing a death defiance
but it still scale so poorly, idk why
rare kayak
theres nothing better than being on an excal run and hermes offering you epic attack speed
except for eury being next room and upgrading it to heroic
mellow quest
imo beowulf shield is underpowered in boss fights aside from being able to sit there and block them
but it steamrolls everything else
rare kayak
doesnt nyaanyaa have like 53 heat beowulf
turbid needle
i could agree it is good for room clearing, but oh boy does it do so poorly on boss fights
rare kayak
p sure that was with charge special and aphro
mellow quest
ultimately it's still the shield at its core. the bull rush and block are just hilariously overpowered
turbid needle
yeah got that charge special and aphro
it was strong for sure, but doesnt exactly make it any faster or safer beating the bosses
rare kayak
guess so
mellow quest
i can't do 25+ heat on the weapons but did 32 heat shield with no death defiance uses
turbid needle
Aphro speical on Guan Yu does seem quite good ngl
and maybe Demeter on attack to slow everything down too
rare kayak
aphro charged special gy is real insane
cosmic jackal
Chaos shield aspect feels underwhelming after fists and rail. I've been trying doom and dio, but feels really low damage. Any tips?
rare kayak
i run family favourite instead of special on that one because i cant be bothered to apply other status
turbid needle
Chaos shield was kinda nerfed
its not as OP anymore but not too weak, but does feel quite underwhelming
mellow quest
the only thing i don't like about guan yu is the grind to upgrade it. thematically speaking it's the only weapon where you are upgrading to reduce its weakness rather than to make it stronger
feels bad
turbid needle
i mean the spear is kinda that good not gonna lie
turbid needle
i mean the auto aiming is insane and fast
of course you are mitigating the nerf
mellow quest
i currently have literally every revenge boon in the game with vengeful mood
mellow quest
that's a lie, i don't have the athena one. but that doesn't count tbh
intentionally walking into the styx laser to get a tick of damage to blow everything up is fun
turbid needle
i like how Demeter revenge instantly proc artic blast, idk if there are cooldown to that or not, but does seem OP to kill the things in styx
mellow quest
i don't really like artic blast tbh, being able to keep enemies fully chilled is good
tiny vermin is so terrifying with the melee weapons
empty field
yeah i just fought it for the first time, with the shield. that is one heck of a fight.
cosmic jackal
If chaos aspect is bad these days. What's good for shield?
turbid needle
well with fast enough weapon, you can proc it fast enough you dont have to worry too much about it anymore
empty field
i am now also presented with one heck of a choice, too https://i.imgur.com/kdx4ofT.png
cosmic jackal
Shouldn't say bad. Underwhelming
mellow quest
it's not that chaos shield is bad, it's just not as mind-numbingly busted as it was before
empty field
i mean its gotta be the legendary, right? but also that fated one is the last one i need for the prophecy 😭
mellow quest
the zues aspect buff is nice
turbid needle
but that made shield in general kinda underwhelming now
mellow quest
divine protection is so hard to get that i would take it anyway
shield might as well be the game's easy mode if you abuse the block
empty field
yeah i'm on aspect of zeus with the shield, seems okay
cosmic jackal
Ya, it's just so slow to clear hard rooms.
Fist and rail are just so fast. Maybe I'm spoiled.
I still have limited titan blood... I need to do some more clears.
small stirrup
We all need to do more clears
pallid dagger
perhaps i am imagining this
but can anyone else give input on whether EM4 Final Boss has become harder to Charm?
I swear I used to abuse Unhealthy Fixation on him like no tomorrow in earlier runs, but I may have to rethink that strategy
mellow quest
as far as i know the only adjustment was to make it so that you can't charm dad while he's in the middle of the laser attack
pallid dagger
gah
i think i'm gonna have to break out my chaos shield
typically i view that as tantamount to cheating but for a challenge like this, i will hold nothing back
pallid dagger
Oh, he can. I definitely saw the heart over his head a few times.
It just feels like it was way harder to do than usual
small stirrup
When you mean charm, do you mean just stopping his attack, or making him come onto your side
Cause you can still do the former
mellow quest
he's still charmable and it's still only for a moment
more like a stun than anything
you just can't break the laser attack with it
the way he laughs and giggles while charmed is extremely unnerving though ngl
pallid dagger
hmmm
if i'm gonna abuse bull rush and/or shield throw, what's better? Sea Storm, poison, or Aphrodite?
small stirrup
All 3 together
empty field
nope, damnit, i lost to big bad, even with the legendary athena boon. oh well.
i'm gonna have so many weapons on heat 1-2 with 3 rewards claimed and that last one juuuust out of reach
mellow quest
that's a good way to get darkness though
small stirrup
@main osprey I finally got the chance to watch your boonless 16 heat run and my god watching that Theseus fight was painful
mellow quest
fated persuasion ain't gonna pay for itself
i love the aspect of talos fists so far
i had the Poseidon attack so it was just constantly pushing and pulling enemies
jagged roost
Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects.
i dont understand this
does it mean the deflected attack triggers doom?
turbid needle
it make the sword fall instantly i guess
jagged roost
wait so ur saying it increased damage?
turbid needle
even better if you got the +50% damage +50% time for the sword to fall boon from Ares
small stirrup
yeah
jagged roost
im wondering it says deflecting attack
so fists with ares means it can apply doom each punch?
small stirrup
It's more like this, if you have doom applied onto someone, you can hit them with deflect to immdieatly triger it
jagged roost
i mean fists with athena*
small stirrup
Fists with Ares attack and Athena dash would mean every dash attack does doom instantly
cunning urchin
You don't need to deflect anything. You just need to hit them with an ability that can deflect.
turbid needle
it basically let you apply doom faster that's all
empty field
so, i just had that, and i had athena dash, and doom special. dashing through a doomed enemy triggered the doom immediately
jagged roost
oh got it making it super strojg?
empty field
even without anything actually deflecting into it
so it was kinda nuts. the doom special on the aspect of zeus shield is ludicrous, just keeps applying the doom over and over. made my dash strikes insaaaaane 
turbid needle
so maybe Ares special and athena attack
with that could be really good for applying constant doom
but if you dont get that, its gonna be really weak and slow
since Athena doesnt do much damage
tight grove
Does Cursed Slash also affect how much life you get from hearts?
rare kayak
big fan of the random 20 ambrosia from epilogue
rare kayak
got all my helpers maxed
pallid dagger
alright
I just slaughtered Tisiphone with Sea Storm
if EM4 daddy whoops my ass i call hacks
pallid dagger
no kidding
💵 💵 Barge of Death no damage 💵 💵 that's right I did that
Asterius no damage 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵
mellow quest
cursed slash is still pretty bad, it's just too large a loss of life for a short range melee weapon. especially at higher heat
it's not like guan yu where you hit for a truckload and have the spin heal at range
pallid dagger
I keep saying that but no one listens
healing a tiny portion of damage for each hit does not balance out with how much damage you'll take with a melee weapon
mellow quest
sword still has the most mediocre and bad hammers of any weapon and it makes me sad because the feedback channel was full of people saying that all throughout early access
drifting vale
I think cursed slash works great with high confidence just stay full health and deal a ton
mellow quest
even hoarding slash as fun as it is, you can just buy an attack boon that gives you 30%+ damage on the attack anyway a lot of runs
pallid dagger
Supergiant seem really into the whole "lose hp/heal it through attacks" thing. That and strong but slow builds.
I am still sad piercing wave never really got boosted
mellow quest
piercing wave should at the very least apply status from your attack
wary jackal
cursed slash with flurry slash actually just lets you face tank most bosses
they have slow attacks usually so you can sit in front of them holding left click
just gotta get enough hp or damage resist to avoid getting bursted too fast
i tried cursed slash on arthur aspect once though. that was a MISTAKE
pallid dagger
8)
drifting vale
Yeah gotta go with any of the other sword aspects
But i like cursed slash in a casual run
Really zag or nemesis
pallid dagger
@lone lava what's an Achilles cast build?
lone lava
The meta build for speedruns is zeus cast
But achillies just gives +150% to the next four attacks or casts after doing the rush thing so it works with any really
Zeus cast is probably fastest for room clear but boss fights are tough unless you get quick reload from hermes or have a strong attack boon + hammer (any good +%dmg attack and then serrated point or flurry jab hammers)
If you're not really speedrunning, I think Achillies aspect is perfect for hunting blades, which is always a fun build
onyx parcel
I’ll send a screenshot in a min in #h1-victory-boasting
nimble island
Does anyone know if Empowering flight buff continuously procs with aspect of zeus?
turbid needle
No, only after you catch it.
winged idol
Hey, I'm having trouble playing with the gilgamesh aspect because of auto queueing dashes on just tapping space bar and my dash upper gets eaten quite a bit unless I time it very precisely. I don't have these issues with any of the other aspects. Is this a known issue or do I need to replace my keyboard or something?
I'm just wondering if the problem is on my end
unkempt pagoda
no, gil has always had funky timing issues
winged idol
Ah thanks
Is there any word on if there's a fix planned or anything?
Sorry if this is asked a lot
onyx parcel
Hey, I’m having trouble playing with the gilgamesh aspect because of auto queueing dashes on just tapping space bar and my dash upper gets eaten quite a bit unless I time it very precisely. I don’t have these issues with any of the other aspects. Is this a known issue or do I need to replace my keyboard or something?
@winged idol yep I have the same problem
It often times animation cancels ur dash upper
Which is very annoying to say the least
winged idol
Yeah. It's a bummer because I love malaphon. Glad to know I'm not the only one though
pallid dagger
trying to get the Bad News legendary
not used to trying for hermes boons, so i'm just fiddling around with various builds
anyone know if Ares' cast works well with Hera?
winged idol
Bad news has a prerequisite unless you have the lambent plume I think
gusty steeple
Does Dash-Strike get the benefit of Attack boons?
pallid dagger
i do
turbid needle
Yes.
winged idol
How exactly does concentrated knuckle work? Is there a stack limit or does the bonus only last for the combo?
gusty steeple
In a run right now with an +83% chaos Dash-Strike boon, and a +75% Dash-Strike (Roiling Lunge), but Dash-Strike is only doing 70s in damage, vs 60s for my normal attack. Am I missing something? Would expect it to be in the 120s.
Using Zag Spear
turbid needle
Zag Spear's Dash-Strike is weaker than the combo attack.
20 base damage versus 25-30-30.
gusty steeple
Was there a menu or something in game with those numbers I missed? The spear just says 25% range and special.
turbid needle
Zag Spear's bonuses are for the Special alone.
onyx parcel
Zag spear is... not really good
turbid needle
The wiki is slowly being updated, but right now really the best way to test numbers is to beat Skelly.
It's alright with Explosive Skewer.
gusty steeple
Okay, so no in game resource for weapon damage systems.
prisma raven
i just got the hidden fist aspect. how come the penalty for its special ability is greater than its reward?
onyx parcel
Because u have that burst of damage on top of ur extra % damage
That’s why
@prisma raven
unkempt scroll
Is chaos shield supposed to be good?
prisma raven
maybe at higher levels. i'm not impressed with it tho
unkempt scroll
Me neither 🤔
prisma raven
i bet if you had a good special boon it cold do some damage
maybe explosive return if that works on every extra shield
but i prefer the constant blade rift zeus gives you
unkempt scroll
Well, I went doom + weak duo. The aspect had nothing to do for me, basically...
prisma raven
one time i was about to die to theseus and asterius, and then i used my max gauge aphrodite call, it hit asterius and nearly killed him, and then charmed asterius killed theseus
and then i killed asterius
it was very rad
that isn't relevant to anything we were saying just now i just wanted to share because i was hype
prisma raven
his second legendary?
pallid sand
Do you need a specific defiance for Chaos's leggo to pop up?
fossil compass
I'm having trouble killing the final boss consistently with aegis, is there a good build for this weapon?
prisma raven
i don't know what first 20% means
fossil compass
I don't really have the blood for other aspects either :(
jagged roost
20% more chance I find fishing spots
fossil compass
So I can't Beyblade zeus aspect
prisma raven
so yeah it's just a legendary boon. he gives it to you for free once and it only lasts for the run, but you can get it in later runs if you have the prerequisite boons
jagged roost
so it disappears once ur done
thing is I just started the run
and I have nothing and he gave it
jagged roost
weird i thought legendaries needed other boons
prisma raven
they usually do
jagged roost
oh ok got u
prisma raven
it's like how zeus gives you his call the first time, and it's the only boon you can accept
except calls don't have prerequisites
@fossil compass i don't think any specific boons are good for aegis
may just try blocking more
strength up for special wouldn't be bad either, or maybe some kind of cast-based build
prisma raven
they only have zag shield
turbid needle
Athena, Aphrodite, and Artemis are best on Zag Shield Attack.
fossil compass
Yeah I just tried the Poseidon wall smash build. Works great for normal mobs, super fun, but for bosses it doesn't really work
Why is Aphrodite or Artemis particularly good? I guess athena is good for perma deflect?
turbid needle
Aphrodite has the highest percentage bonuses of any Olympian in the game, her single-boon DPS is only challenged/beaten by Artemis. Athena is second-highest, tied with Demeter, for Attack boons, but Deflect is up there with Weak for standout Olympian effect.
prisma raven
aphrodite gives you crazy damage buffs
i underestimated her when i first started playing because i never really looked at the numbers and i thought weak was kind of an underwhelming effect
cinder flower
Is there a database with good boon match ups in this case wondering about shield chaos aspect
pallid dagger
prisma raven
that'll tell you what all the boons do but it doesn't give you good matchups
does it? am i blind
pallid dagger
chaos shield is great cuz you can do huge damage numbers with the special or the bull rush so it's got a lot more options than usual
idk, i don't hang out on game boards
turbid needle
To my knowledge there's no "These boons work well together" database.
pallid dagger
plenty of people here will give you advice tho
mellow quest
i almost beat dad with unupgraded guan yu but heightened security urns got me
cinder flower
So what are some of the best builds for shield chaos aspect
mellow quest
zues + posideon is generally pretty busted on shield
unkempt scroll
Just used Zeus' keepsake, without finding his boon...
mellow quest
it only works once a run to guarantee the boon and if you skip it anywhere that's that. even in a store if you couldn't afford it
unkempt scroll
Sure about that? It seemed to work every other time I did it
turbid needle
Sometimes you'll see multiple non-boons in a row.
But until the little 1 with circle thing underneath the Keepsake disappears it will keep forcing the spawn.
drifting vale
Can confirm that it will keep spawning it until you take the forced boon
hasty oracle
Which boons are good for fists Dem aspect?
solid cairn
I think for 32 heat bow I'm gonna try rama and go for splitting headache
thick crag
Which boons are good for fists Dem aspect?
@hasty oracle Zeus, also, a Merciful End build can be good.
drifting vale
Dio also really good
Of course arti and aphro for big number squad
Really anything will work dem fists just do damage
bleak iron
question, which companions can you use vs hades? I saved all my mort uses for him and it wasn't usable 😦
but I've used skelly's
tawny meadow
I know megs is
cunning urchin
Dio also really good
Huh?
You'll want Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, or Lightning Strike on Demeter Aspect.
Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish.
unkempt pagoda
question, which companions can you use vs hades? I saved all my mort uses for him and it wasn't usable
at first only skelly and bouldy are usable on him
cunning urchin
And in any case, Deflect on Attack or Dash.
unkempt pagoda
the rest get unlocked later
(also you can only activate one use of a companion on any encounter, so don't save all of your uses for one fight)
unkempt pagoda
👍
mellow quest
ah they reworked the god keepsake boon spawning at some point, or fixed it. or whatever. it doens't work the same as it did back in early access
small stirrup
??
mellow quest
i hadn't played since before the long winter update, 1.0 got me back on
small stirrup
How was it changed?
mellow quest
it forces the spawn until you take it now
small stirrup
Wasn't it always like that?
mellow quest
i'm very certain that it wasn't at one point
unkempt scroll
Well, the aspect of Zeus isn't necessarily better in my opinion. It was more un, though. And also, splitting bolt (legendary) = nice dmg x)
mellow quest
the shield aspects are mostly good because of the fact that it's the shield rather than any specific aspect
marsh pumice
Flood shot stick in enemies, right?
cunning urchin
Yes.
quiet maple
winter crystal
Is the Chiron Bow still OP after the recent update?
main osprey
@small stirrup hahaha, yeah. It's not easy
small stirrup
Tight deadline must be hell
I think 15% of the video was just you chipping away at Theseus
unreal hull
4th Rail Gun aspect, which God do you usually go for on the main attack? I have been going Zeus and hopefully getting jolted as well. Works but curious what others do.
orchid plinth
anyone else feel like doom is a bit to good? i havent failed a single doom based run ive tried.
small stirrup
@unreal hull Zeus is usually my first pick as well, but I've heard Ares is pretty good as well
orchid plinth
zeus and ares are my favorites
small stirrup
Doom is definitely great, but you can still lose with any build if you throw hard enough
I'd say if you got Doom on your second run you'd probably lose
But that's because you haven't understood the game yet
orchid plinth
true
small stirrup
So I think you haven't lost cause you've just become good at the game 
orchid plinth
i honestly didnt even use it until i was 10 runs in and i had already made it to the final boss at that point
woven vortex
hey just wanna say i think i notice some imbalance, when using the stygian blade one of the hammer boons you can get gives you +2 healing per attack at the cost of -60% HP. the thing is its more than hard to avoid damage in general and the biggest issue then is to get enough healing. but you can get so much healing done with this that you can totally get by getting hit a lot and healing back. playing in hell mode it almost seems like getting this one is a requirement to win (??)
turbid needle
Definitely not a requirement to win, but it's okay that stuff is strong.
orchid plinth
anyone know how triple shot affects hera?
turbid needle
Cast goes on the middle arrow.
primal hazel
Dammit why not 3 casts xD
Wouldn't be op kappa
bleak iron
what keepsake should I bring with Aspect of Rama? I'm not sure what will synergize well with it
unkempt zephyr
what keepsake should I bring with Aspect of Rama? I'm not sure what will synergize well with it
@bleak iron almost any.its pref
runic osprey
Rama gets the most benefit from high % based increases to attack
and secondary damage on special
since your special hits like.. 5?
primal hazel
Take a keepsake for the god you want to force
runic osprey
what starts making rama hit ridiculous numbers is either double or triple shot daedalus hammer
unkempt zephyr
@bleak iron if you new on rama try find special demeter. but about rama if you be lucky ask @mighty ermine he is best rama player probably
mighty ermine
yeah, the important advice has already been given, pretty much!
you always want to apply the special on everything, but it's not going to be doing much damage itself unless you go dio or sometimes zeus
the attack (with shared suffering) is definitely key for rama most of the time
primal hazel
Btw you can hold special down like a "machine gun"
Big air quotes on the machine gun part
But it's automatic
primal hazel
Wish you best of luck on your first run with it
bleak iron
thanks!
unkempt scroll
... Could you imagine... playing Hades with first person point of view in VR? 😐
unkempt zephyr
I would be sick of this speed
unkempt scroll
I think just about anyone would get sick from it...
unkempt zephyr
did you saw speedrunners on Nemesis sword?
hearty elbow
I think just about anyone would get sick from it...
@unkempt scroll Maybe that's why they removed Snap Nova and Chain Skewer on Achilles
worn crypt
Hades spear debuff not affecting doom and hangover makes me sad 😦
hearty elbow
150% Eris, yes pls
worn crypt
hm, yes, I see your point lol
unkempt scroll
I don't know them, @hearty elbow
hearty elbow
Two hammers that people reported inducing motion sickness and nausea that they subsequently removed from the game
(Chain Skewer still exists, just not on Achilles)
hearty elbow
You can just add tags to your own name by modifying your server nickname. You can go to #bot-commands and look at the sticky to pick a role
unkempt scroll
Okay
pallid dagger
mkay
anyone got a favorite cast for Hera's bow that isn't Dionysus-related?
Dio's a bro and the best but i do want to branch out a little
hearty elbow
Aphro is mine
proven osprey
I want to go for a blade rift build, should, what are my options ? Hera maybe ?
pallid dagger
just tried that one and, uh, no
proven osprey
Ah
pallid dagger
Poseidon Sword and one of the fist aspects offer cast damage bonuses
worn crypt
The enemies aren't in the blade rift very long with Hera
pallid dagger
Vicious Cycle and Hunting Blades make the slicing shot really good but you've got to get a really good rng to get those
proven osprey
I'll go classic Achilles then
turbid needle
Aphro like everybody said i guess
the crits more doesnt deal that much damage tbh
pallid dagger
put Aphro on the main attack and put Artemis on dash strike
turbid needle
i think only Arthur fit putting crit into attack
other weapon feel so weidly underwhelming with the whole crit thing
pallid dagger
critical chance is really good because it always procs more often than you think
yeah, it's best used on higher hit rate weapons, but it's never useless
hollow minnow
Hey I got a special kind of boon from Poseidon saying I'd get 20 % better fishing spots; I assumed it was permenent, just like the Rod of Fishing. but in my current run it is gone. Why???
hearty elbow
yeah, it's best used on higher hit rate weapons, but it's never useless
@pallid dagger That's the opposite of true. Deadly Strike doesn't do much on Rail or Fist
You want base damage that exists to be able to multiply
turbid needle
20% fish from Poseidon is a 1-time thing
one chance to catch alot of fish
pallid dagger
@hearty elbow 🙄 nuh uh
turbid needle
i was lucky enough the fishing legendary from Poseidon nail me 2 Athen fish and 1 Chaos fish
hearty elbow
What's a nemesis sword build that's fun?
@empty prairie Divine Strike and Heartbreak Strike also work really well. I prefer both to Deadly Strike, as the crit chance is a bit redundant
loud latch
turbid needle
the thing is a scripted event
any body can get it
the matter is are you lucky enoguh to maximize profit from it?
pallid dagger
oh uncle zeus
i love your blessings
any weapon is a crowd control weapon in your hands
turbid needle
cough in Poseidon-athena
pallid dagger
hey
i love poseidon too
in fact he's probably a smidge more useful
i just love how i don't hate the bow when lightning strike is on it
same with the spear and sword
empty prairie
Artemis call is my favourite. Pure burst damage.
pallid dagger
artemis call is cool but you gotta fill it up all the way, same with aphro
hearty elbow
If you haven't tried Smoldering Air with Aphrodite's Aid, I highly recommend
turbid needle
Artemis, Aphro and Hades call require full bar in order to be really good
while Dio is opposite where using 1 bar is better than using all of them
hearty elbow
It is easily one of the most busted things you can do in the game
At least vs. bosses
turbid needle
any body lucky enough to proc pressure point on Aphro greater call ?
Demeter call is only good with Artic blast
hearty elbow
I really dislike Demeter, Ares, and Artemis' Aid
pallid dagger
ooooh
i did that exactly once
it was beautiful
B[ okay what is up with you rama lama
Artemis' Aid and Demeter's Aid are super cool
turbid needle
without it though, its good for slowing down enemies but not really great on the damage department
worn crypt
I'm I'm tryharding then just gimme Athena call every time. Otherwise Zeus is probably the only one I really don't like.
limber flax
whats a good boon for demeter special?
pallid dagger
you mean the fists?
hearty elbow
Artemis' Aid doesn't do... anything, until you get it to full.
If I wanted pure damage and nothing else, Dionysus' Aid, each Lesser call does at least 600 damage, at level 1 common
turbid needle
what weapon?
hearty elbow
And it's AoE
pallid dagger
dude...Dionysus' aid doesn't do 600 damage.
empty prairie
Artemis aid on a fast hitting weapon charges fast enough that waiting until full isn't a big issue.
pallid dagger
under any circumstances
hearty elbow
15 * 2/second * 5 stacks * 4 seconds = 600
pallid dagger
the effect range is 600 units
it does a maximum 20 points of poison damage for each half second for 1.5 seconds.
hearty elbow
Hangover stacks up to 5 times and lasts 4 seconds...
turbid needle
if you stay long enough to gget 5 stacks in
i usually get only 3 stack on Hades
only sometimes can i get all 5 stacks on him
pallid dagger
20 x 5 = 100. but the time stamp on dio's aid is different from standard poison.
ahh, crap, hang on. i might be reading this wrong.
worn crypt
You are reading that wrong 😛
pallid dagger
even so, that's assuming you can get the maximum damage output on your select enemy.
it's not really any more reliable than ares' aid for that, tbh
hearty elbow
You only have to stay in range for a little bit over a second to get 5 ticks, and the range is quite large to apply it
limber flax
boon suggestions for fists demeter special?
pallid dagger
it's a great call i just don't think it' s the only worthwhile call
Aphrodite or Poseidon
limber flax
what are the good multipliers too look for for example
arctic fossil
I am getting consistently rekt by EM4-- any build tips?
limber flax
for special
pallid dagger
@arctic fossil sea storm sea storm sea storm
turbid needle
Poseidon's aid is top tier right now in both damage department for both room clearing, boss killing and also survivability
its simply too good
hearty elbow
boon suggestions for fists demeter special?
@limber flax Deadly Flourish and... yep
limber flax
what god is that
pallid dagger
@limber flax since it hits 5 times it synergizes great with large damage boosts, so use aphro
hearty elbow
Artemis
limber flax
ah okay
worn crypt
Learning the fight is more important than build for EM4 imo. Once you learn how it's different than regular fight and recognize the patterns, you can often avoid damage @arctic fossil
arctic fossil
I was trying to get it with the ares/Artemis combo but I can't cheese him out without dying
pallid dagger
ohhh, no, i think she has the third highest?
limber flax
its worst raritiy too
empty prairie
Second.
pallid dagger
poseidon iirc offers low "strike" boosts but really high "flourish" boosts
arctic fossil
yeah, the double spin and the good boy summon in the midst of the fight got me like 