dont think Ive touched it since I started the game
#h1-builds-and-combat
worldly trellis
half crater
beo is prolly my fav weapon atm
stuck bobcat
Just tried my first run with Gilgamesh Sea Storm
WTF WAS THAT, this thing is nuts, 3 boons is all you need
half crater
but i like other shields as well, so ymmv
stuck bobcat
Beo is like chunky hera bow
Slow but hits like truck
unkempt zephyr
Come on guys. Join to streams on any speedrunner. See some stuff. like how beat hades run with 10 min with heat. what melt and how use weapons
Hermes Cup starting in near 5-10 min
half crater
Beo is like chunky hera bow
Slow but hits like truck
@stuck bobcat worth noting: the attacks are slow, the weapon is fast
it’s the best shield for speedrunning
dense valley
I don't like Beowolf personally but that's because I don't like the bull rush
worldly trellis
why use it over hera out of curiosity? I'd assume hera has similar dmg output and is safer
worldly trellis
really? I said that bc of the range advantage
half crater
the main reason is that casts don’t stick with beo, they pop out immediately
unkempt zephyr
btw in race you can see runs with less than 100 hp shield with melting builds
worldly trellis
- the 10% extra dmg on beo
stuck bobcat
It's one of easiest high heat weapons out there
Slap that trippy shot with zeus duo and you are set
It isnt speedrun weapon though
half crater
range is certainly helpful, but for me the defence from try shield makes it safer, even with the +10% damage
it actually is lol
beo go surprisingly fast
stuck bobcat
I was talking about hera lol xd
half crater
oh sorry mb
unkempt zephyr
xDD
worldly trellis
okay nother question then, fiery prescence on beo?
half crater
i’m actually not sure
worldly trellis
I thought itd be nuts but I realize the casts and the rush are separate instances
so only the rush would benefit
half crater
if FP was actually +100% it’d prolly be worth it
worldly trellis
its not?
half crater
i mean, the rush does a surprising amount of damage
stuck bobcat
Hera does one thing good - range cast nuke
You can just stay at max range and poke bosses with trippy shot every 2 seconds
it has lowest dps out of all cast weapons, but has range
half crater
as i said, i’m not sure; i was mostly using SP for a long time, i’ve recently been thinking FP might be the way to go
haven’t done enough runs to get a good comparison yet tho
yeah FP says +100% but it’s bugged atm and only does +50%
they’ll fix it i’m sure
stuck bobcat
FP works on your stacked cast if you dont hit enemy with bull's charge
Plus casts doesnt benefit from backstab dmg
half crater
yeah that’s the thing
stuck bobcat
So yea, FP seems to be better pick for Beo
half crater
FP sounds better in theory, i’m just suspicious of no backstab
but in this case the backstab isn’t very useful
half crater
yeah it’s absolutely intended
you’d mostly be getting the bonus on your dragon rush, which technically can backstab
but it’s pretty impractical/stupid to attempt to do so
at least with any regularity
stuck bobcat
Not worth it - you will one shot with casts with FP bonus on
half crater
i mean, i do recommend using dragon rush
it does a surprising amount of damage, and stacked correctly you can knock out an elite’s armour with the rush, and kill it with the cast
allowing you to wipe a group of elites with a single cast
but yeah with FP against bosses and stuff you’d want to miss the DR on the first blow
stuck bobcat
Its way to slow imo
You can just cast them to death in less than half charge
stuck bobcat
Someday I'll try minotaur rush with pure raw beo (or aphro for best raw bonus).
I wonder what the numbers will be
stuck bobcat
500% minotaur
100% beo
~~120% aphro
Chaos atk
Easly 1500+ per charge 
lost wraith
any tips for ||charon?||
stuck bobcat
Dont fight him early, thats all xD
half crater
oh minotaur rush, the hammer
i can’t read
yeah that would be a lot lol
re: ||charon||, it might not be what you want to hear, but the best advice is to just try a bunch. He’s actually way more predictable than the other bosses, and once you get the hang of him it isn’t that hard to avoid his attacks.
half crater
He does do a lot of damage tho, so you need to learn the timings quite well, which just requires practice
lost wraith
was just wondering if theres anything i need to be aware of before i put in the practice
does he have ||multiple phases||?
or is it just a 1 and done type deal
lost wraith
nice nice
half crater
yeah that’s what i’m saying; there are strats and stuff for the other bosses, but with him i think it’s like 90% learning timings
stuck bobcat
He has a long range sweep which deals 100+ dmg, learn do block/evade it. Or... cheese him with bow
lost wraith
so is it generally best to do him later in a run, rather than earlier? does his health/damage/etc not scale based on when you choose to fight him?
stuck bobcat
AFAIK he's the same
lost wraith
ahh nice then
fierce thicket
Dash behind him, it's best to defeat him earlier if you can to benefit from the reward
lost wraith
ive been trying him early bc i was worried abt scaling
half crater
||no phases, but his attacks do get more intense and he destroys the pillars as the fight goes on, so using them as cover isn’t something you can rely on||
stuck bobcat
Whaaa
empty prairie
Is dash nova the worst hammer upgrade?
unkempt zephyr
this aspects be rigth now in first race of speedruners. if wana see good build and how use them.join
unkempt pagoda
i find dash nova useful for pos sword
unkempt zephyr
its best speed runner in world and its be 3th cup
if wana find: Hermes Cup hades
twitch
empty prairie
For some reason Skelly refuses to give me the words for Arthur so I'm stuck with the pos sword.
half crater
i tried to like dash nova, but i think snap has just scarred me
it felt too similar, and i balked
even tho it’s objectively different idk
stuck bobcat
Thank god i didnt bought Hades for the Switch
Even on my PC game sometime needs a half second to figure sh*t out when using sea storm gilgamesh build (about 12 knockbacks per second + additional ones from second wave).
Propably switch melts in theese type of situations
unkempt zephyr
its be poseidon dash on eris probably 100%
untold vortex
skelly isn't who gives you the words Giggles
empty prairie
@stuck bobcat I play on Switch and the only time I've noticed any slow down is when I've got jury summons on and I kite a bunch of tiny chariots into blowing up all at once.
untold vortex
the unlock conditions are pinned in #h1-story-discussion
stuck bobcat
@empty prairie just you wait till you get some realy spammy builds
empty prairie
Huh. TIL.
unkempt zephyr
@untold vortex do you join to hermes speedrun cup?)
empty prairie
Well she's not giving me the words either. :/
untold vortex
I'm watching, I'm not competing though
unkempt pagoda
new hermes cup?
storm vine
I hate that in the last part the rooms dont count as encounters
unkempt pagoda
ah, nice
unkempt zephyr
after you were an actress of Dusa everyone relaxed so much
unkempt pagoda
might swing by the stream
stuck bobcat
@empty prairie you need spear word first, then proceed with rest
empty prairie
Which stream? Haelion?
untold vortex
link is in #self-promotion
empty prairie
@stuck bobcat I've got all of them except bow and sword. Bow because I haven't put any blood into it.
untold vortex
it's not Haelian's twitch channel, he is however co-commentating
unkempt zephyr
im in jerds_au
calm oyster
can someone please tell me what is so good about beowulf
i am using aphro special and cast and i'm just not seeing what makes this worthwhile
only have epic rarity on the upgrade though, haven't maxed it
but i just seem to take so much more damage trying to use the bull rush gimmick
tbf, i would even prefer zeus shield to this
used two death defiances in the butterfly ball miniboss room... i never do this poorly with any weapon, it just feels really clunky to me
edit: dead in elysium lol
i see people recommend dread charged flight and my hammers this run have been awful, but i wouldn't think the hammers make or break the aspect, people wouldn't praise it if that were the case
runic fog
honestly the only thing i've never ever lost on is the starter sword, upgraded zag aspect, and the hammer that gives you minus health but health on each attack hit
i find the shield... abominable
calm oyster
i've done well with chaos and zeus but this is just 🤢
wish i could refund my titan blood
north portal
What's the best rated / most popular spear aspect?
worldly trellis
Man, shield (or at least beo) just did not click with me
even at only 5 heat I barely made it
I really didn't feel like I was hitting all that hard, and charging in was super risky
untold vortex
that goes into #h1-victory-boasting @worldly trellis
worldly trellis
I'm not boasting tho, it's just a reference so I can start a conversation about beo/shield
I got dumpstered lol
worldly trellis
Yea I don't know, I really want to like it
it looks cool as hell
but it just feels like Hera with more drawbacks to me
cold hamlet
I just finished a low heat run with it for the first time and it felt awesome
It’s a way to efficiently combine your cast and bull rush damage when you’re using dragon rush, taking half the time
The hammer upgrade felt pretty crucial though, it does feel clunky otherwise
It’s less clunky to load one at a time and spam bull rush, it’ll still do a ton of dps
I also got Athena cast so it made rushing in much safer. Maybe Athena attack would have been better for that though
untold vortex
@worldly trellis it's where victory screens get posted
untold vortex
this ain't the place for victory screen screenshots
Share your victories! Upload your victory screen stats, and talk about those close calls it took to get there!
the #h1-victory-boasting channel description
worldly trellis
does the context not matter? The screenshot is to support the actual opinion I'm expressing, it's to show that I had good boons and still didnt like how the weapon felt, nearly getting dumpstered.
I could've also typed out the boons I had but that would've been silly.
onyx parcel
Man, shield (or at least beo) just did not click with me
@worldly trellis I don’t enjoy beo that much too
Doesn’t have that feel to it
limber flax
Does butterfly keepsake buff stay after you switch keepsake?
cloud barn
No
halcyon forge
Is it just me or should deflect be baseline? Single most important factor in run success for me is if I get a deflect on dash or attack, to the point where outside of shield I should just quit if I don't get it by Asphodel. I'm sure you can do without but it's such a notable gulf in QoL imo
Or maybe baseline projectile destruction on dash
covert raven
What aspect/weapon rips through rooms AFTER blood investment?
I accidentally wasted blood on chaos shield but it has been nerfed to tartarus since the last time I played.
untold vortex
athena dash is always gonna be the safest dash in the game, I don't think it should be the baseline tbh
nor do I think projectile destruction should be a thing on base dash @halcyon forge
covert raven
I am in asphodel and still only have 1 boon, poseiden cast with poseiden aspect sword.
proven osprey
Chiron is really strong imo, and quite easy to play
And it needs blood
You seek a weapon to farm with ?
prime island
I've been really loving the triple dash triple hit spear with chain lightning and the drunken cast.
The gun with cluster bombs, and posidon buffs, special knocks back, does bonus damage on slams and causes rupture. Oh and on the spear build the spin blade dash is pretty dirty
grim herald
Favorite gun build is customer bomb mod and rocket mod, just shooting 5 ridiculous rockets.
With high crits from Artemis, it's ludicrous
onyx parcel
What aspect/weapon rips through rooms AFTER blood investment?
I accidentally wasted blood on chaos shield but it has been nerfed to tartarus since the last time I played.
@U.S.N Souldrainr#6666 people think chaos shield went from great to awful but in reality it just went from amazing to good
Demeter is great at max
So is Chiron
Nemesis max is very good too but you don’t need to max it to make it work
Eris rail also amazing at max
covert raven
Idk about chaos shield the extra shields have basically 0 range, no tracking, dmg does not stack for multiple shields...
covert raven
Sec
onyx parcel
It has decent range, absolutely shotgun potential if u can aim
And damage is still decent
It’s not bad at all lmao still at least A tier
weary fractal
ive been curious about whats the whole deal about Chaos aspect ever since ive unlocked it
onyx parcel
Went from S to A tbh
onyx parcel
ive been curious about whats the whole deal about Chaos aspect ever since ive unlocked it
@weary fractal it used to be the absolute best aspect in the game
Before 1.0
covert raven
The extra shields don't track and they do not stack dmg if multiple shields hit the same target.
onyx parcel
ive been curious about whats the whole deal about Chaos aspect ever since ive unlocked it
@weary fractal u used to throw out shields that behaved like ur main shield
And it was OP as hell
weary fractal
ive been reading people saying they wonder why the gun is in the game and that made me realize there really are a million of ways this game can be played or even approached
onyx parcel
The extra shields don't track and they do not stack dmg if multiple shields hit the same target.
@U.S.N Souldrainr#6666 damage does go up if u shotgun someone in the face
weary fractal
bc ive been kicking major butt with the gun ever since i got it
onyx parcel
Not sure if that’s what u mean
weary fractal
sorry, Exagryph lol cant be dissing an Infernal Arm
covert raven
I've tried using chaos shield as a shotgun but only see dmg from the main shield.
weary fractal
well but it has such a cool name man
brazen hornet
question about black out from dionysus....does the % damage increase only apply to hangover itself or any damage?
weary fractal
yall should test it and see what's what
@brazen hornet wording should clarify i can check the wiki
unkempt pagoda
it’s all damage
unkempt pagoda
foes just need to be hangover inflicted while in fog
covert raven
I would like chaos shield if they at least had tracking.
rustic radish
imagine using chaos shield
covert raven
Makes it useless if you stay a safe distance.
rustic radish
i use zagreus shield
onyx parcel
Chaos haters smh
rustic radish
i just dont like chaos shield
cuz i rarely use special
so like theres really no point in me using it
brazen hornet
the shield is awesome....trying to unlock the hidden aspect but getting access to chaos is a bit annoying lol
rustic radish
i mean i just beat heat 32 with zagreus shield so holy am i in an adrenaline high rn
brazen hornet
wow 32....my god lol and I think I'm struggling at 2 with the hidden aspect spear
weary fractal
good work joel holy smokes lmao
im at... 10 ish highest
gun and sword at the lead currently
onyx parcel
Zag shield is incredibly good
rustic radish
i jumped from 16 to 32 cuz i wanted to get all 3 of skelly prize
weary fractal
the shield itself is bananas
LOLOLOLOL
brute forcing it
i like it
i might just follow suit soon
i got like 90 hours on the game but ive been able to wrench myself from it but i cant allow not having 100% achievements
onyx parcel
i mean i just beat heat 32 with zagreus shield so holy am i in an adrenaline high rn
@rustic radish what are the conditions u used for 32?
weary fractal
what a masterpiece
onyx parcel
I’m gonna try it soon
brazen hornet
wow no wonder I was confused....I always just assumed the lob from dionysus applied hangover smh
weary fractal
nah the lob has its own thing
the festive fog thingy that ministuns every second
it's its own mechanic
then you have dionysus's status curse which is hangover
brazen hornet
it's a beast cast but is there any support power that makes it have hangover too
lethal chasm
So like Demeter fists am I misunderstanding ? I have it maxed and it doesn't do five uppercuts...
onyx parcel
So like Demeter fists am I misunderstanding ? I have it maxed and it doesn't do five uppercuts...
@lethal chasm one uppercut that does a lot of damage
weary fractal
@brazen hornet i mean you just get the cast and any of the hangover inflicting atk, special or dash
lethal chasm
Huh. Seems like less than 5 weird
lethal chasm
Does crit roll on each quote unquote hit
weary fractal
that'd make Dem Malphon and Artemis attack ridic lol
so I believe Artemis is the best boon giver in a vacuum, any opinions
is there any like weapon or aspect or anything where she wouldn't be a snap pick for any of y'all?
idk i just see crit anything and i click it
empty veldt
Aphrodite beats Artemis on average
empty veldt
Artemis Aid is also one of the worst lesser calls
weary fractal
ah yeah i never use the lesser
it got me through a million bosses at full tho
in fact
i never use any lesser calls
empty veldt
Lesser call is arguably more effective
hearty elbow
Aphrodite's attack and special boons beat Artemis only assuming you have just that boon. Artemis is multiplicative scaling with crit though, so the more stuff you have, she will get better
weary fractal
am i crazy? lmao it's my first time discussing hades with anyone really
rustic radish
Artemis greater call is one of the best imo
empty veldt
Also smoldering air only works with lesser call
And smoldering air is hands down one of the best boons
weary fractal
wait let me reread
that one
i have the wiki right here its the zeus aphro one but i cant remember what it does
empty veldt
Auto regen god gauge super fast
hearty elbow
Truth be told, it's hard to gauge how broken it is until you use it with Poseidon, Athena, Dionysus, Zeus, or Aphro
weary fractal
oh yeah right
but you only have 25%
yeah i see what u mean about the lesser call thing
hearty elbow
It seems "bad" right? Since all Greater calls multiply the effectiveness, but yeah, it's not typically the way it works, in the vast majority of cases
weary fractal
i picked it once to fill the codex but it went super against my playstyle so never again
i never thought about it that way
how the hell did i get so many clears LMAO
brute forcing works in yet another game
empty veldt
Lets take athena’s call for example
hearty elbow
You gain more from just using them as soon as you can get value from them
empty veldt
You can use lesser call to time avoiding getting hit
weary fractal
yeah, as a "parry" of sorts
empty veldt
Will give u more effective health/invul
weary fractal
right
empty veldt
Than going for full duration athena greater call
lethal chasm
@weary fractal agreed
empty veldt
Since there are downtime between enemy attacks
lethal chasm
artemis is no brainer for everything but achilles
weary fractal
it was bc i was using full calls always
empty veldt
What i like doing is
weary fractal
i HATE the zeus call
lethal chasm
zeus call i dont like either
weary fractal
i feel like its so useless unless ur up in their face
lethal chasm
it makes me feel like im invincible so i get hit more
weary fractal
the ares one is hilarious bc u turn into beyblade
weary fractal
ares one with some buffs
magnificent
sat on top of asterion and theseus once when they stacked
they vanished
i had the legendary ares boon tho so... everything melted hahahah
rustic radish
lmao
weary fractal
dr. choke is about to drop the big brain knowledge on me
empty veldt
Use weapon with innate crit
Zag Bow/Nemesis Sword
Put aphrodite on Attack
Athena on Special
Artemis on Cast
Your innate crit will make Aphrodite insanely strong
You have access to Heart Rend - 50% crit dmg pn wrak enemies
Deadly reversal - 20% crit chance after deflecting
This is imo the best Crit Build
weary fractal
there we go
red mist
hallway fights seldom ever get to greater call so by necessity we have to rate the lesser calls
weary fractal
nemesis sword has to be one of my top 5 aspects
oh that makes sense prinny
i only used calls on bosses, never really needed em otherwise
empty veldt
Everything without innate crit i just use Aphro usually
At higher heat, hallways are deadly
weary fractal
that build sounds reaaaaally good man
lethal chasm
yea ill take whichever but god gauge on crit is nice aswell
weary fractal
yeah i've seen glimpses at my lowly 12 heat ahahah
depends on what you take tho
asphodel will hand me my ass when i wanna go actual high heat and have to take the extra magma dmg
i dash like a maniac
empty veldt
I will say that art can beat aphro
If you have chaos boon
And tier 2 crit boons like Clean Kill
weary fractal
chaos really honors their name tbh
lethal chasm
im still at heat 7 tho so yea
weary fractal
its such a coinflip
empty veldt
Its because art scales terribly with Poms
lethal chasm
i just got chaos on deme fist run 60% special
weary fractal
whether you get something BANANAS or not
lethal chasm
tru @ dr choke
weary fractal
yeah thats true
empty veldt
While Aphro scales amazingly with poms
weary fractal
i started warming up to aphro when i noticed she gives extra dmg % up front
empty veldt
Aphro has the highest raw damage multiplier
lethal chasm
ya ik
weary fractal
im good at always hitting something
lethal chasm
just sayin the pom is high
empty veldt
Weak is also one of the best status
weary fractal
also one of the least noticeable unless ur really looking ahahah
its like attack speed debuffs on pvp games
lethal chasm
i had a build earlier that doom doesnt stop proccing on weak enemies and i took doom off for crit
empty veldt
If boss heats you for 60
lethal chasm
RIP.
weary fractal
they feel AWFUL if ur on the receiving end
but if it's against mobs they dont care
@lethal chasm yyyyyyyyikes
empty veldt
@weary fractal try out the build i give on crit based weapons
unkempt zephyr
if you strugling at boss. do demeter on atack.
weary fractal
probably will be back here maniacally cackling
unkempt zephyr
and add apro on special and artemis on aid
weary fractal
as i do when something explodes heads easily like the 5 rocket spread i did with the gun once
THAT WAS SO RIDICULOUS
i went melee to hades and just right clicked 5 times
he was gone
lethal chasm
i had that b4 aswell
lethal chasm
w eris lol
weary fractal
catch you at the pool old man
yeah
i wont spoil hades extreme measures lykathe but
be ready
lmao
or at least try to be
you won't be
lethal chasm
lmao havent tried em3 yet ;x
weary fractal
eh it's manageable
the hades one is the really crazy one, for me at least
the hydra one is more annoying than anything
lethal chasm
hydra is HELLA
weary fractal
and ofc really preys on players like me
lethal chasm
annoying
weary fractal
who dash
rustic radish
hydra is the sole reason i dont take the bonus trap heat
weary fractal
more than they breathe
weary fractal
im ABC
always be (c)dashing
i cant stop
its supergiants fault tbh
for producing the best dash ever committed to code
lethal chasm
dont play gilgamesh lol
lethal chasm
playstyle for that is, dont dash lol
weary fractal
really upgraded the fists for me
lethal chasm
or dash and get ready
unkempt zephyr
can you stop spamind.and spoiling @weary fractal ?
lethal chasm
redacted eyeroll
weary fractal
or dash and get ready
@lethal chasm what do u mean by this?
lethal chasm
for gilgamesh
weary fractal
its the one that inflicts the "doom" effect tho
they take more and do more dmg
right
weary fractal
ahahah that sounds hilarious i need to try it
well im off, lovely talking to y'all take care
ornate remnant
can you get all of skelly's prizes at once if you blast max heat
dry ember
yes
you don't even need maxheat
just 32
but if you do max heat, make sure to record it as that's a world first
rustic radish
its impossible to do max heat iirc
ornate remnant
oh damn
ornate remnant
not enough time?
rustic radish
ye
you get a total of 20 min and with all the added heat, its impossible unless you get like a perfect god run
plain mantle
Has anyone ever got the winter harvest boon from demeter?
covert raven
Petition to use the combined power of all the gods to give waifu head a body.
plain mantle
I've been running her keepsake for 10 runs now, and I still haven't got it
plain mantle
Rng god please be nice to me
o the keepsake doesnt matter
@rustic radish it does though...?
It increases rarity
rustic radish
most legendarys require boons to even have a chance at appearing
for winter harvest, you need 2 of the following: Ravenous will, arctic blast, or killing freeze
last panther
What's a good sword build?
rustic radish
if you dont have 2 of the 3, then it will never show up
and sword build depends completely on playstyle and aspect
last panther
Every sword build I end up making feels underwhelming to almost every build of any other weapon.
rustic radish
what aspect we talking
last panther
I've tried several aspects of the sword
empty prairie
Is the best way to farm darkness to just do 0 heat quickly?
rustic radish
prettty much yes
last panther
I just posted in #h1-victory-boasting my latest run where I ended up with 45% crit chance on every normal hit and 85% crit chance on the thrust
Along with two curses of chaos that boost attack by 80% and 75%
plain mantle
for winter harvest, you need 2 of the following: Ravenous will, arctic blast, or killing freeze
@rustic radish yeah every run I've done I've had those 2
It's in the codex
lucid shore
Best cast for Hera??
last panther
honestly, I'm reassessing how good the weapons are and all I can say is that the sword feels the weakest of them all.
Note: I don't like aspect of ||Arthur||
rustic radish
best cast for hera imo is the dionysus cast
runic osprey
^ I agree
plain mantle
You can queue up the attacks for Arthur, so you're not left vulnerable
runic osprey
I feel like dionysius cast for all loading weapons is excellent
and stygian soul works very well with dionysus
last panther
I'd like it to be known that I'm fully aware of how to queue attacks and even dash around with said attacks queued
like you can press special and dash -> special comes out after the dash
same thing applies for the move set for the thrust
and I use it as often as I can to avoid damage while dealing damage
My overall thoughts on the sword:
The move set is blargh, to put it kindly. The thrust is the highlight of the basic attack swings and the output of damage is high and all, but even with my aforementioned build where it deals 600+ damage on a crit hit, I found it to be very underwhelming.
The special is functional but compared to other weapons, it is underperforming for all intent and purposes.
runic osprey
well I can't argue with your personal feelings
if you don't like how it handles it's just not your thing
last panther
The only spear I like is the Aspect of Hades. 
plain mantle
I felt the same for guan yu
last panther
Shield - Zeus
Bow - Chiron
Fists - Zagreus
Gun - see previous
runic osprey
personally it makes me play a lot slower and more deliberate with my large swings
plain mantle
But honestly just running with it for a couple of runs makes me like it
runic osprey
did you know you can "dead angle" the second and third swing in the main attack chain?
plain mantle
Dead angle?
runic osprey
same with the spear sweeps
last panther
I'm fully aware 
runic osprey
if you turn your back to an enemy facing towards you right before you swing
and connect with the start or end of your sweep
it counts as a backstab
last panther
With the spear
you can dash the moment you let go of charging
and you'll move while swinging the weapon
I'd show you, boro, but there are no voice chats here to stream 
plain mantle
Oh yeah I know that lol
last panther
well, similar thing can kinda apply to turning Zagreus around
plain mantle
If I didn't know that I would be dying a lot more lol
last panther
for the swings to come out slightly differently - meaning an earlier hit and/or a backstab hit that might not seem like a backstab 👀
brave pelican
Anyone knows what does the bouldy buff that gives bonus to ambiguity ?
cunning urchin
It does ||nothing||.
cunning urchin
@mighty ermine did 50 Heat with Rush Kick. Don't know how instrumental that upgrade was, though.
brave pelican
rush kick demeter works
the extra hit take the damage increase
they also work with the explosive hammer
mighty ermine
it was pretty not needed, yeah
brave pelican
every hit explodes
hazy slate
It’s good i think
brave pelican
i personally dont like taht it makes you dash
mighty ermine
but also i'm not super versed in charged rush kicks, i almost never take it with dem fists
mighty ermine
i basically used it like a normal charged upper
brave pelican
it works the same than normal with the charge
mighty ermine
nope
brave pelican
it only adds more dmg and a dash towards target
mighty ermine
different animation
brave pelican
yea but that doesnt count
mighty ermine
?
cunning urchin
Rush Kick has a lot more startup than the normal Uppercut/Dash-Upper.
brave pelican
it does but the effective range is much larger given you dash in for the hit
so its safer to start
untold vortex
@brave pelican please don't evade the swear filter
cunning urchin
rush kick or charge upper on demeter aspect?
@lethal chasm I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "charge upper".
untold vortex
probably regular dash upper?
cunning urchin
The only hammer upgrade that performs like "charged" hammers is Flying Cutter.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
jaunty locust
Punishing sweep does not work with like, hangover right?
hazy slate
I think punishing sweep only works with attack and special
jaunty locust
yeah, that's what it said, I just wanted to be doubly sure
hazy slate
Be a bit strong though if it did work with hangover
jaunty locust
ok so dio is not as big a bonus as Aphrodite would be, becuase I want to amp up that damage
cosmic vale
is hades phase 1 supposed to be harder than phase 2 because it definitely seems to be
jaunty locust
I mean,the eris aspect does
hazy slate
He summons things in phase 1
jaunty locust
I find that hades phase 1's adds can REALLY make things a nightmare
hazy slate
That’s what makes it harder
mighty ermine
dio attack is fine on hades regardless if you get serrated point
cunning urchin
Punishing Sweep is additive, so it affects all Attack/Special boons the same.
jaunty locust
that's true
empty prairie
Which shield is "best" at level one? I have Zag at five and chaos at one. 3 blood.
cunning urchin
Except Deadly Strike/Flourish get more out of it because crits are multiplicative.
jaunty locust
it does, but it changes if I want to be doing damage with layering statuses or by the raw damage of my weapon promarily
hazy slate
Zag at lvl 5 would be better I think since the extra base damage is nice
jaunty locust
or rather, the punishing sweep doesn't have synergy with the hangover
also, what you're noticing Blix is that you're getting better at dealing with Hades' pattern, so phase 2 isn't as rough.
mighty ermine
hades aspect ideally tends to want deadly strike and flourish with serrated point and exploding launcher respectively, for the reason nyaa already said
hazy slate
Chaos I think needs to be high leveled to be amazing
jaunty locust
for the shields yeah
empty prairie
Sword and shield are the two weapons I just cannot seem to get the hang of.
Though Arthur finally unlocked for me so I'm excited to try that out.
cosmic vale
if you're poor in terms of blood zag aspect is best
i'm pretty sure the extra damage also scales with strike boons
meaning it can have really good melee
mighty ermine
though zag sword is a weird one because i would advise against putting blood into it, except skelly wants you to do it for a quest anyway
hazy slate
Nemesis aspect is really good
hazy slate
Oh ok
cosmic vale
i like zag sword a lot but arthur is better tbh
hazy slate
But yeah if you go zag shield your basically going a strike build
mighty ermine
yeah, nemesis pretty much outperforms zag sword almost entirely where it matters, but zag shield is fun
hazy slate
That’s fair I think
mighty ermine
especially with pulverizing blow
hazy slate
But what tailesque said
The base crit on nemesis is the same as Artemis crit chance from her boon
empty prairie
I'm pretty blood poor atm. And the sword move set just kills me. I hate it so much. Haha
cosmic vale
the extra attack and move speed have helped me out a lot
hazy slate
With nemesis you can get away with special dash attack twice and rinse repeat
It’s especially good if you get the double edge hammer or whatever the name of the hammer that makes dash attack hits twice
mighty ermine
yeah, optimal sword play doesn't really involve too much of its standard attack combo
not that you have to be optimal
arthur, however, does use its standard attack combo because hitting like a truck is your goal
dapper cedar
Finally tried zeus shield for the first time and it worked surprisingly well even with a random as hell build
hazy slate
Zeus shield is nice, haven’t escaped with it yet but it should work with stacking doom or dio I think
mighty ermine
it works very well with zeus special (how thematic!) and stacking zeus T2s and potentially splitting bolt on top
jaunty locust
I need serraded point so badly righ tnow. I have slippery lunge for 75 and the artemis dash attack, at this point my job is "load as much onto my dash strike as possible"
cosmic vale
tbh i think zeus flourish is pretty good with shield in general since the base damage is so low
and it's pretty spammable and safe
dapper cedar
I normally hate shield but Zeus could be turning me round as I managed to get my fastest time with it
Beo is fun but feels limited
hazy slate
Fun is all that really matters at the end of the day
empty prairie
So Zag shield, first hammer. Charged shot, dashing flight, charged flight. My inclination is dashing.
I don't really like any of them, though.
For this run, anyway.
cosmic vale
about hades call
does it also make you invincible and not just like
invisible
cause i'm not sure
dapper cedar
I'm not sure may have a different effect when fully maxed
hazy slate
Maybe try it out during a boss fight and see if you get hit or not
willow fossil
I tried interrupting Hades healing by destroying the urn, but he just used another one. Is it worth destroying the urns, or is it better to just sit there attacking him?
hazy slate
If you have enough damage feel free to keep on wailing on him
But I think he heals per urn he eats so maybe destroy a few to make him heal less
spiral tree
NUUUUUUUUUUU
I DIED AT EM 4 HADES WITH LIKE 200 HP
left*
=/
like 2 attacks max he would have been dead
after his 360 laser I went in to backstab and he thrusted
brave pelican
also demeter fists are great
brave pelican
just gotta have the right hammers and its very easy, if not it stays hard
eager elbow
brave pelican
it doesnt but its dmg reduction for you if you stay inside
also the backstab dmg is humongous
spiral tree
most op build I found is athena attack on arthur
brave pelican
artemis attack + backstab hammer + nyx keepsake
spiral tree
hmm ok I will try to tank more and dodge less?
brave pelican
= backstab crit >5k
dodge everything, but staying in the aura is a good backup
also i find i like artemis call more than athena
it just nukes him
and charges fast
onyx parcel
Good hammers for Rama?
unkempt pagoda
relentless for anything that wants to lean on special
otherwise, build like zag bow
onyx parcel
Never played zag bow
empty prairie
How many attempts do you all have? Just curious.
jaunty locust
I was REALLY building for serraded edge with dash strike stuff
and my second hammer is vicious skewer, extending jab, and triple jab 😦
what a catastrophe
ok I got dio on my jab so triple's probably better to spread it around more
argh
onyx parcel
How many attempts do you all have? Just curious.
@empty prairie in total? Or until first win?
timber creek
107 runs, I'm still a baby compared to most people here
onyx parcel
In total I have around 75
hazy slate
About 70
brazen hornet
still have the wind taken from my sails earlier losing even though I found Black Out....just was lacking defense boons and pretty much soaked up all of hades damage with a limited amount of HP as is with hidden aspect for the spear
jaunty locust
yes?
spiral tree
do I choose parting shot or unshakable mettle
jaunty locust
you're past my knowledge leve, have fun lmao
jaunty locust
hmmmmm
if they're all that good, then you can just pick which one you like most 😛
so I know each individual chamber in the last area counts for the pom blossom, but does each one count for levelling up keepsakes?
hazy slate
Zoolander have you lost any death defiance’s yet?
jaunty locust
like if it takes me four to get to the end, is that four towards a keepsake being done?
hazy slate
Maybe
spiral tree
oops lol
hazy slate
Do you happen to have the cash to buy a kiss of Styx?
hazy slate
Oof, maybe that. If you’re a cast build then parting shot would be good
Unshakeable mettle is good for tankiness against bosses
hazy slate
How many dds do you usually lose to hades
hazy slate
Cause if you don’t lose a lot mettle might be better
spiral tree
I'm doing EM 4
hazy slate
Heads you go mettle tails you go defiance
empty prairie
It's such a minor thing but I really hate not getting a hammer in Tartarus. Find it hard to really define what boons I want without one as time goes on.
drifting vale
Disagree
hazy slate
It’s good but I don’t run Zeus enough to know
spiral tree
no skill really needed just dodge till hades is dead
drifting vale
Any bouldy boon is best
spiral tree
I hope I dont scre this up
I'm taking a defiance cuz I have cursed slash
ok
now i have a choice again
deadly reversal or unshakeable mettle?
hmmm going with DR
drifting vale
Big number brain happy
hazy slate
Nice
Heart rend is like, a top tier duo in some setups
Well, it has immense syngery with a nemesis aspect build
spiral tree
deadly reversal heart rend lightning rod got 80% dmg on athena arthur attack got aph dash got 3 defiances got slippery strike rare and poseidon call and more
satyr rooms done
now to take o nEM4 hades yet again
but this time I am STACKED
I am ready
hazy slate
What weapon you using anyways?
hazy slate
That’ll work
spiral tree
buffed to 88%
hazy slate
Although focus more on dodging than getting hits in
spiral tree
hmm ok
empty prairie
Hmm. Blinding Flash, bronze skin, or brilliant reposte? Using eris aspect.
spiral tree
i always get hit by comitting to an extra attack right before he attacks
or I dont dodge the second spin attack
i only got 2 dashes
=/
hazy slate
It’s tempting to get a big hit on him but since Arthur is slow there’s a big chance you’re getting hit
jaunty locust
we had this conversation last week and I already forgot. Artemis' dash-strike thingie works for the dash-upper for the fists
hazy slate
Learn to dodge the spins with one dash
hazy slate
You’ll do it buddy
jaunty locust
does the chaos one do that too
hazy slate
👍
spiral tree
yes i got that
ok paused
LOOOL
I i got him to 2/3 health already
without taking a hit
and in like 10 seconds
jaunty locust
awright
spiral tree
...
noo
hes almost dead in phase 2
but i have no defies left
and at 22 health
=/
he so strong
....
and I dead
=/
nocturne maple
jaunty locust
yeah that happens haha
proven parcel
You didn't believe
hazy slate
Sometimes that happens
jaunty locust
hmm, 57 for special on demeter fists, OR 70 for dash strike on demeter fists. I got the artemis dash bonus, so I should just kind of go for my dash upper killing everything
hazy slate
And every time it does is always a tragedy
spiral tree
I was and he dashed THROUGH the pillar
man
phase 3 hades is insane
he recovers so fast lol
was trying to let lightning rod do the work
but nah that would take too long and too many skulls in this difficulty
thats disappointing
lol
arthur aura def helps tho
hazy slate
Want the build I used for my first em4 win
worn prism
aspect of demeter + kinetic launcher 👌
spiral tree
Sure @hazy slate
empty prairie
Huh. If you use sigil of the dead while Asterius is gearing up to charge, he just runs in place.
spiral tree
Arthur is too good tho lol
hazy slate
Basically I used nemesis with aphro attack, dem special for priveleged, arte cast so I could get duo
Also spammed dash attacks cause they’re consistent
jaunty locust
hey how does kinetic launcher work with demeter fists
hazy slate
It makes more projectiles
spiral tree
ok so aph attack plus arthur aura means 70% damage reduction right?
or no?
that sounds too OP
hazy slate
I use nemesis aspect
hazy slate
First time I beat em4
Basically I special then dash attack twice then special again
The slow from Demeter also helped a ton
dry ember
200 base damage goes brrrrr
cloud barn
me go face
also
somehow i just beat the difficult encounter asterius without taking damage
dry ember
dodge? nope
face? yep
cloud barn
idk how either
hm
dodge is on thin ice
damage reduc? nope
face? yep
because you see
dodge can go face too
hazy slate
The ones that make stuff invincible?
cunning urchin
EM Asterius solo with Divine Dash is free even for melee. More annoying when you don't have Divine Dash.
cloud barn
true
spiral tree
@proven parcel whats your go to build so far?
cloud barn
also for a while i thought the wave thing he does after the jump wasnt dodgeable, but it just has a weird timing
spiral tree
oh you mean the circle?
cloud barn
ye
spiral tree
I sometimes get hit by that
cloud barn
yeah, i know how to avoid it now
spiral tree
I think the hitbox is bigger than it looks
cloud barn
it's somewhat comparable to EM4 Hades' spin attack, in that you have to dodge two hitboxes in quick succession, just on a different scale
as in asterius is smaller, less damaging hitboxes, but are timed closer together
potent ember
anyone got tips on how to reliably use ||guan yu||?
cunning urchin
If you Deflect his ground pound, the shockwave won't harm you. Very easy to do with Divine Dash.
cloud barn
true
hazy slate
Fully upgrade gy first
cunning urchin
@potent ember Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish and just spam that.
hazy slate
Yeah gy is good for a special build
If you’re going the special route I think the charged skewer upgrade jives well with that
cunning urchin
Well, there are only 2 Special hammers for Guan Yu. So of course you'd want both of them for a Special build.
lapis matrix
What's the second?
lapis matrix
Ah, the armor piercing one
cunning urchin
You can easily pick and choose core boons, but you can't really force hammer upgrades. Just gotta go with what you get.
potent ember
cuz guan yu attack bad
potent ember
sword needs some range tho, thats the point of the large wide swing. dont wanna get too close
cunning urchin
Serrated Point is incredibly fast on Guan Yu, but it's much more difficult to play. Dash-Strike or Attack build is also pretty slow until you pick up Serrated Point—and you can't guarantee that you do.
cloud barn
ye
potent ember
you get hit a lot with excalibur tho. its a tank burst damage weapon
cloud barn
but you see
empty prairie
What's some stuff I should be looking for for Arthur? Just about to start my first run with it.
unkempt pagoda
aphro or artemis attack
potent ember
arthur crit attack is fun. chunking damage goes a long way. get heart rend ideally
unkempt pagoda
shadow slash
cloud barn
all the daedalus upgrades that affect your attack will work well
potent ember
anything that increases burst damage
unkempt pagoda
greater consecration
jaunty locust
oh I just got rush kick and it's fun
jaunty locust
(I have the 30% increase build from Hermes)
cloud barn
oooooo
jaunty locust
AND I have the explosive upper on it
potent ember
the hammer that lets u charge ur malphon special for more range is super fun too
jaunty locust
I have artemis dashand a chaos boone which gives me +70 to dash strike
unkempt pagoda
shadow slash is amazing on excal bc its hitbox is so large you get some pretty cheesy “backstabs” out of them
jaunty locust
the beam? I saw that but I wanted to hope for the kick and I got it
potent ember
bro when did u swear lmao
unkempt pagoda
you can face away from an enemy while you’re in front of it and backstab bc the sword swings around to the enemy’s back...
cloud barn
idk what word triggered the bot
"flying kick" doesn't really do it justice. "lock on to the nearest enemy within a 4 mile radius and jump through time and space to kick them in the jaw" is better IMO
thats pretty much what i said before, idk where i put a swear
cunning urchin
You cannot deceive us, blackguard! 🔫
jaunty locust
hold on, does the kick do more damage? I thought i'd see a way bigger damage uptick
or is it just that it's killing enemies before it finishes its attack
cunning urchin
It does more damage.
jaunty locust
I think I like the regular dash upper more. The windup time keeps getting me jabbed
cunning urchin
Well, more damage for regular Special. Dash-Special does 40 base damage either way.
Well, use it to backstab or from a distance.
jaunty locust
it's still a kick in dash!
cloud barn
you dont even need to dash to jump thru time and space
cunning urchin
Or dash sideways when baiting their attack before using your Special.
cloud barn
though then you risk it using dash-special even when you've been standing there for 3 seconds :)
cunning urchin
Just takes some practice and experience.
jaunty locust
no, but I have like, three different boons that augment my dash upper already
cloud barn
ah
makes sense
though you can special -> dash behind -> dash-special
just as easily
and keep another dash for getaway
jaunty locust
I have artemis dash, a chaos boone, and the explosive dash upper. I did like 800 to asterius with a backstab, and I don't have a boon on my special yet
jaunty locust
yeah absolutely
I'm dealing tons of damage, but I have NO ability to defend myself. I'm getting punked like wild
jaunty locust
I could take athena's aid but that doesn't REALLY help. TBH I could snag this divine flourish build I got from the athena boon at charon, that'll help me bounce things a bit?
spiral tree
@empty prairie as you know arthur aura massively slows down any enemy or projectile in it so someone told me to get athena attack since the wide arc of the attack plus the slow of the aura makes it soo easy to deflect every attack and now it's easily the best build I've used so far, then get artemis on special so you get deadly reversal which basically makes all your attacks crit
jaunty locust
an extra 100% damage on my special is good. Maybe I can trade it up for the artemis to just really go wild but
jaunty locust
thanks Hypnos
summons are fun because you can basically plop them right on top of theseus once he starts his phase 3 and just skip the rest of the fight
cosmic vale
chaos aegis is supposed to be good right
like do i just suck at using it or something
empty prairie
With Arthur, should I take Hunter dash or pressure points?
@spiral tree That's awesome info, thank you. :)
stuck bobcat
Arthur is all about high crits
empty prairie
Is Artemis special the only requisite for deadly reveal? I currently have heartbreak strike on attack.
I've been using dash attack quite a bit so far because that third hit is just so slow.
jade rover
You can always check your codex for boon requisites
turbid needle
what build should i do for aegis
i upgraded to chaos shield
jade rover
It's super versitile, but I love me a zues special build with hades.
stuck bobcat
I prefer either DoT or Doom build on chaos shield
After tracking nerf it isnt as OP as it was
jade rover
I keep saying hades, I keant ares
turbid needle
ares with what skills
jade rover
Reveange stuff is all good.
You can also go for sea storm, knockback strike is better on sheild than most weapons
turbid needle
i mean which is the most i focus specials or attack
also is there a list on which to upgrade first or to pick and what to chase
cloud barn
ok because I'm a dumb perfectionist I am trying to make the git gud thing look good
including extending one of his fingers
and im not an artist
jaunty locust
explosive fire area burst applies boon effects, right? If I land with it and hit three peopel is that three ball lightning balls?
I don't have any hidden aspects and I'm so salty
turbid needle
do u pick zeus for special or attack or ares for what @jade rover
stuck bobcat
Yea, sea storm on special on chaos shield is propably it's only burst option QQ
jade rover
I go for zeus special, yeah. But definitly do some runs and see what works for you!
I usually take ares call or dash if I don't have enough doom enhancements
empty prairie
Huh. I just learned that you can have 5 DD.
jaunty locust
Oh I'm doing very well with boons. Athena dash and zeus attack on my lil' eris gun, AND I got the jolted bad boy to really pour on damage
and targeting system makes them take an additional 30% damage. I'd have been happy with an aphrodio set to really go wild with hangover tick damage, but zeus' power on quick attacks
oooh ok I'm getting to the point where I'm paying attention to strategy, so like, I see a poseidon boon, and suddenly, I like that, because I can try to get that on my dash (keeps me safer) or my special to make it do more damage, and sea storm can work well with that, becuase it's a good bit of synergy. Cold fusion is probably the best zeus boon for what I havet hough, but lightning phalanx is a no-go.
jade rover
Once you start getting a feel for the modular aspect of builds you can really just vibe with what the game gives you, I love it.
(Up to a certain heat, I'm sure)
cunning urchin
Up to 32 at least, probably.
But being able to work with anything you get becomes more important the higher you go in heat.
All the high heat runners know the boon trees and requirements by heart.
jaunty locust
yeah, absolutely. And you can sort of pushf or things you want, and avoid gods that won't work well for your weapon type or something
but getting to a point where i think "oh, demeter would be good because being able to have jolted fire off constantly, considering how much damage it does,w ould be HUGE"
empty prairie
Ok. Going into the final boss with 5 DD, full health and deadly reversal. Let's see how badly I screw this up.
jade rover
You got this, 'o giggles
cunning urchin
High heat you get way less choice because of pacts like CF or AP.
jaunty locust
alllllll right! You can do it
cunning urchin
@empty prairie good luck lol.