Insane at max level, that is
#h1-builds-and-combat
lethal chasm
yeah for sure i know its a TB sink haha
onyx parcel
Is insane
cloud barn
yall
lethal chasm
if i sink into one rn itll be uhh... demeter or chrion
cloud barn
zeus and artemis boons will get you killed in elysium
placid topaz
lol im waiting to try guan yu again when i get it to 50%
cloud barn
athena is higher DPS than zeus on fists
onyx parcel
Zeus attack was what I played exclusively on fist
Before I discovered the beauty of crits
Now I just can’t stop
cloud barn
as 90% of attacks can be deflected
lethal chasm
yea i do artemis too
placid topaz
i like zeus for the last section
onyx parcel
Heart rend is so much damage
cloud barn
becoming free damage
lethal chasm
but u can do zeus/artemis for dat sexy lightning rod
placid topaz
those small rooms + zeus = fun
lethal chasm
i got it 4x runs in a row
one run 2x
couldnt take it
bc legendary hermes that auto returns
onyx parcel
Put aphro on attack, Artemis on special
That damage on a charged special is thru the roof
placid topaz
actually i havent tried athena on attack with fists yet
cloud barn
do it
onyx parcel
Athena attack on fist is good
cloud barn
athena attack on fists is busted as hell
cloud barn
hades spear thrust is deflectable for some reason
free damage
and spear throw, and skull shot
lethal chasm
just beat him w 33 health i dont think i got a useful boon the entire time
w legend shield
cloud barn
which aspect
cloud barn
ah
lethal chasm
not sure if supposed to censor that lol
cloud barn
beowulf is p good
lethal chasm
poseidon cast
it is but i got 0000 good boons
lol
had to beat him w bare bonez
(500 dmg chunks w.e)
lol
lethal chasm
chaos seems SUPER hard
onyx parcel
Then it got really boring
lethal chasm
i want to sink into it
onyx parcel
And now it’s fun
lethal chasm
but i cant play it
onyx parcel
i want to sink into it
@lethal chasm do it
lethal chasm
i tried
onyx parcel
Just bull rush and special it’s not hard
lethal chasm
i mightve even done it i dont see it over beowufl >_>
w doom stack somethin maybe
dio? idk
i need to get into blocking w shield lol i play it like fists
dash attack dash attack
lmao.
smoky atlas
dont even have to block with shield
smoky atlas
do a quick short rush in a corner
onyx parcel
Fist with merciful end is insane
smoky atlas
then run up and special
onyx parcel
My first EM4 win was with chaos shield merciful end
lethal chasm
i havent got fist w merciful end lol i tried
onyx parcel
Drove a truck over redacted’s face
lethal chasm
strongest redacted truck ive done was achilles demeter cast i thiink?
placid topaz
what does merciful end do again?
lethal chasm
i like cast builds dont play achilles enuff
but eris is half of achilles >_>
so hard to justify in my head
smoky atlas
when you do anything with athena it procs doom
onyx parcel
what does merciful end do again?
@placid topaz abilities that deflect immediately trigger doom
lethal chasm
stacking doom w rail is wild too tho
placid topaz
oh wow yeah thats pretty good
lethal chasm
w weaken dmg % and faster doom proc and doom keeps ticking etc
placid topaz
thats a duo athena/ares boon, right?
lethal chasm
ye
placid topaz
ok next fists run im forcing athena/ares lol
smoky atlas
so basically if you have ares attack and athena dash, you can spam dash attack for giga dmg
lethal chasm
i needa beat w gilgamesh
placid topaz
i still have to max out their keepsakes anyway
lethal chasm
weird playstyle w it lol
hazy slate
you need athena on special or attack for merciful end
lethal chasm
dash attack iz bad
smoky atlas
divine dash doesnt trigger?
lethal chasm
it does
lethal chasm
oh
placid topaz
ok athena on special/attack it is - thanks for the heads up
smoky atlas
ok was about to say i could swear divine dash worked last time i tried
lethal chasm
ive only had it once lol
lethal chasm
i need max guan so i can try it
_>
lol
disservice to guan yu no reason he would have lower health than arthur smh
placid topaz
what are some solid survivable with decent output builds for guan yu?
lethal chasm
i saw one on yt earlier didnt click it tho
haelian
charge skewer.... i forget what boons
solid portal
any good Chiron builds that people like here?
lethal chasm
i have yet to clear w chiron interested aswell
im sure zeus tho
or doom stack if possible
hearty elbow
Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike
hazy slate
zeus doesnt work well with chiron
solid portal
deadly flourish who gives that one, its familiar
lethal chasm
art
lethal chasm
my chiron only has 3 arrows 😭
solid portal
mine too
hearty elbow
Heartbreak is Aphrodite
solid portal
oh!
hearty elbow
You can also do Drunken Flourish (Dionysus) with Heartbreak Strike or Curse of Agony (Ares attack), for a shot at their duo boons
Yeah, Chiron is definitely one of the worst aspects at level 1
hazy slate
aphro dio duo is more hangover on weak targets right?
solid portal
that sounds good
hearty elbow
@hazy slate Yes
lethal chasm
aphro dio i forget i think
hazy slate
whats ares dio duo?
lethal chasm
.35
solid portal
so pair dyo with whom for bow in your opinion
solid portal
aphro?
lethal chasm
dio on spcial he saying
solid portal
so weak and drunk
hearty elbow
Aphro or Ares. Aphro scales better with the Bow's damage
hearty elbow
But Ares is fine, and lets you play way safer
hearty elbow
You don't have to go for power shots, you can just Hangover things from across the map and run around while they die
solid portal
lol
hearty elbow
@lethal chasm Yeah. I like all the bows though, Hera the least
I'm just riding a meme since I was like, one of the only people who actually enjoyed Rama and did well with it in Blood Price. People probably got sick of hearing me defend it lol.
Not necessary anymore, fortunately, praise SGG
spark portal
Beside use Chiron bow are there any pointers on how to do 30% with the butterfly?
lapis matrix
Guan Yu
hearty elbow
Guan Yu special
lapis matrix
Also works well with that
hearty elbow
is probably by far the easiest aspect to do it with
lapis matrix
Was it 30%?
hearty elbow
Something like that
lapis matrix
I thought it was 24
spark portal
How is guan yu good? I feel like I get hit a lot more when I have to charge the special
hearty elbow
You can do it from way over there
It shines with Charged Skewer. It actually make the minimum throw speed faster
spark portal
Hmm, okay, thank you, I’ll try that out after I finish this run.
sour bramble
Just got my first win by abusing crit damage on hazard bomb like I said in discussion, and now I have no idea what I want to do to try and win this run.
Any ideas? Rapid fire bow crits, maybe?
hazy slate
that can work
get the rapid fire bow hammer, artemis attack, maybe use base bow for more crit
sour bramble
I kinda want to go through with the sword but either I suck with it or it sucks without big upgrades.
placid topaz
im bad with sword ><
hazy slate
use aphro attack and artemis special
sour bramble
I have like, ONE Titan Blood.
placid topaz
need to unlock arthur so i can brute force it
hazy slate
and nemesis costs 1 titan blood i think
get aphro artemis duo
and just spam special and dash attacks
it just works
sour bramble
I think in all of my 22 runs (yes i did 22 runs and only 1 win) I've only ever gotten ONE duo
hazy slate
uh, use the weapons that get extra darkness
thatll help a lot for getting more mirror talents
jade rover
chaos boons are a good way to get darkness too
pallid sand
Does Stubborn Roots heal through the -100% healing heat modifier?
hearty elbow
Yes
jade rover
It'll say whether it's effected on the boon when it's offered
pallid sand
tbf patroclus's healing didn't say it was effected and it was
jade rover
oh, oof
On average, should I spend my money before taking|| chiron's money,|| or after?
since you lose that shop
thorny basin
prolly before unless you are saving up
high geode
So how exactly does Dire Misfortune work? Is it just every time I apply doom before it drops? Does that mean its good with the Doom on Bow special?
jade rover
yeah, Dire misfortune and, say, chiron work well together
it just adds damage to the doom if you inflict doom on an already doomed target
lethal chasm
@ 20 runs guy, around that lvl is when i started to win most of the tme
keep grindin lol
cloud barn
i dislike that the cast focused aspects usually focus on infernal soul, as I really like stygian soul
lethal chasm
i havent even tried styg
and run a number of cast builds
doing achilles run rn no cast at end of tart, go for ares hmz
got skewer and demeter on attack gg
can kil redacted w that prob lol
demeter are kinda my fav cast builds idk might roll dat way
i havent got blizzard yet i dont think maybe go toward that
jade rover
pickin' up 500 darkness in one drop is pretty neat, thanks Chaos
swift pawn
Is there a good set for the bow?
hearty elbow
Artemis/Aphro attack works for all of them. There's a lot more than that but the question was pretty general
sharp anvil
I just had a run with a level 14 heroic Athena's Call. 38.34s of invulnerability when it's used as a greater call
6.39 base duration
solid portal
slow clap
sharp anvil
Very high IQ build
I stood still and attacked with Chiron special without tagging him. Once the call ended, I still did the same thing and called again after like 10s because I was tanking hits
jaunty blaze
hey does artemis dash strike buff boon effect gilgamesh dash special?
junior harbor
for the love of god. what is the timing on hade's spin attack to dodge it. I swear to god, it's RNG whether I can dash throuugh it or not
cloud barn
if you dash-attack you lose your I-frames
junior harbor
🤦♂️
main osprey
(though if you dash, and attack halfway through, you still have the i-frames from the first half)
junior harbor
Ok well, that might be part of it.
It's mainly during EM4's 3rd phase.
I don't think i was dash-attacking during the spins, I was double-dashing through them/away from them.
and I would mash the dash button, so I don't know if I was losing i-frames between dashes
main osprey
there are a few frames between each dash
junior harbor
Feels like Hera is so hard to use vs em4
cloud barn
on hera the rapid fire daedalus upgrade is good
you can load multiple casts, run away, and get your damage off in one tap
instead of needing to dash attack, as that has end lag
junior harbor
I'll see if I can pick that up next time I do a hera run. I want revenge on EM4.
cloud barn
also
Twin Fists have a special property that dash-attack upgrades also effect the dash-special, however I'm not sure if this is also true for the hidden aspect
about the earlier conversation
junior harbor
I did have a near-perfect Hera build once. I linked it in #h1-victory-boasting yesterday, 8pm-ish . Too bad it wasn't vs em4
cloud barn
@jaunty blaze @main osprey pinging to clear stuff up, the earlier response that dash-attack bonuses do not affect the twin fists dash-special is incorrect, however note that this is unique to the twin fists
main osprey
are you sure?
main osprey
fair enough
jaunty blaze
wow, really, woulda been nice to hear that earlier
cloud barn
under Fighting Style
main osprey
apologies for the misinformation, Bep
cloud barn
I don't have a definitive answer, however my guess would be that it applies to the initial hit but not the maim proc
junior harbor
last question for now. Does Ruthless Reflex actually give 50% dodge?
Or is it some other value that isn't listed.
Because the wording is "If you Dash just before getting hit, gain +50% damage and dodge chance for 2 Sec.", and I'm just uncertain about how its worded.
main osprey
it gives that much dodge chance
junior harbor
'Cause 50% dodge chance would make me heavily reconsider my choice to never use it.
Yikes.
junior harbor
Hm...
main osprey
I don't remember exactly how it works
junior harbor
Still better than not picking up an epic-tier dodge and having to get smacked >50% of the time during hades
cloud barn
depreciating return? Idk how it works, just mentioning the phrase to see if it jogs your memory
junior harbor
Cause I suck at that timing.
jaunty blaze
diminishing returns
junior harbor
Dodge apparently multiplicative. https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/fk22ac/so_uh_100_dodge_chance_because_why_not/fksjjpc/
main osprey
perfect, thanks
sweet heath
yea I think its multiplicative for each source, so if you have like 50% dodge and 15% dodge its (1 - 0.5)(1 - 0.15) = .425 = 42.5% chance to get hit / 57.5% chance to dodge
main osprey
yeah! that's it, thank you
void zenith
Zag bow is better than Chiron after all. If only for the charged volley
I'll upload a vid in a sec
cloud barn
what?
void zenith
I got a 48 sec hades kill
cloud barn
cool, but you can't say that one thing is better than another based off a single point of data.
void zenith
cloud barn
I think the level 8 heroic deadly flourish had a bigger part in that, though charge shot definitely accentuated it
void zenith
Well, I'm not saying zag is definitely better than chiron
cloud barn
Zag bow is better than Chiron after all. If only for the charged volley
@void zenith
void zenith
But I like doing this kind of stuff much more
cloud barn
it's fine if you didn't mean it in the first place, but text doesn't communicate tone
void zenith
Well, that was just like my opinion, man
main osprey
but text doesn't communicate tone
sweet heath
one of the reasons I think chiron is so good is that even with mediocre drops its still really good
main osprey
also Chiron + Heartbreak Flourish + Unhealthy Fixation is just fun
cloud barn
yep
I think chiron can be used with any special upgrade, provided some extra support boons
main osprey
Chiron + Tempest Flourish + Second Wave
shut heron
Why non ones like legendary bow?
shut heron
Yes
cloud barn
It's good, just too slow for my taste
sweet heath
yea you end up having to mostly use the special
shut heron
Ye understandable
void zenith
All bows are very viable
sweet heath
the primary fire with the musical thing is awesome
void zenith
Bow in general is a great weapon
sweet heath
if only it were good to use
half crater
||rama|| isn’t a bow, it is a melee weapon
been said before ofc
but still true
it’s a very good melee weapon tho
void zenith
Tbh, you can even make Hera do silly damage off the volley, without even bothering with the casts
void zenith
If you don't have an optimal run, you have to make do with what you get
half crater
true
void zenith
My point is that all bows are good, but I came to prefer Zag over Chiron even after playing 30+ runs with chiron
half crater
i don’t really play hera without keepsaking a good cast first boon
void zenith
because not having a charged volley is such a big detriment
cloud barn
ye
cloud barn
this is the run i wanted to find earlier
took a bit because i had to restart steam, wasnt screenshotting
junior harbor
One day I want to see a rama-power shot-crit. If someone has a video on hand, @ me or dm it to me lol
like, not even a whole playthrough of a build. just a quick clip of someone 1shotting a boss with it
junior harbor
Yeah ik. but seeing like 5k dmg on a crit is pretty satisfying
half crater
believe me; i’ve tried
agreed
there’s a screenshot of an 8k with arthur somewhere
dunno about one for rama
junior harbor
YIKES
junior harbor
Rama build, got early twin shot, now i have to pick between explosive shot, chain shot, or point blank shot
Idnk which to pick
half crater
explosive
junior harbor
going to be faceing EM4 with this
half crater
explosive twin is the dream on rama imo
half crater
nice
junior harbor
no atk speed, but +3 dashes. I can reroll, but do I?
I need the dashes for Hades, so nvm
half crater
depends whether you’re gonna need those rerolls for something else
sweet heath
+3 dashes is always good
half crater
yeah prolly a good idea
sweet heath
you can just nope out of any situation
half crater
EM4 hades eats up your dashes like nothing else
sweet heath
yea with two dashes I often mess up timing dodging his spin attack and can end up getting hit twice
with 4+ dashes i can just mash the button rofl
half crater
button mashing is the goal of all builds tbh
if i get to the end and have to actually use skills to beat hades, i have failed
junior harbor
There's something viscerally satisfying about deleting rooms in the styx with tidal dash + any of the knockback dmg boons
reef galleon
whoever came up with ||phase 3|| on EM4 is a ||game developer working at Supergiant Games||
dark quail
So i used em4 once and barely lost, what are the main differences between normal and em4 boss?
reef galleon
more ||phases||, two spins in a row, spear throw and charge, more health, ||cerberus summon||, ||bloodstone summon||, ||HP recovery from urns||
jade rover
||Em4|| put me at 30 hp from completly confident full health triple DD. I miss Chaos aspect
jade rover
Is it me, or is artemis kinda. Meh
Like, if you take, for example, deadly strike, if you crit exactly at the listed 15%, you end up doing 92% of the damage that heartbreak strike does, without the added benefit of inflicting weak (if I did my math right).
sweet heath
not to mention that the damage is less consistent so there is more overkill / underkill
but if marked is bouncing around a bunch of enemies I think the numbers become more favorable
jade rover
Yeah, I'm sure that the more artemis boons you end up with, the more the math tilts in her favor, what with pressure points, clean kill, all that.
Still, you lose consistency, build flexibility, and utility.
sweet heath
lol
worldly trellis
Chiron is wild
jade rover
oh, chiron is for sure an A+ tier weapon at least.
worldly trellis
First time using it, just maxed it
I'm going for dire misfortune special
really hope its as stupid as it is in my head
coarse tendon
I got the +400% dmg to armor with special using chiron, that thing 1 shotted armored mobs
jade rover
Try to also get aphro duo with that @worldly trellis
sweet heath
yea I generally agree about artemis but I haven't really figured out her builds yet / what situations its good in
tepid bear
hey does rare crop work on boons gotten afterwards?
worldly trellis
Way ahead of ya, already got heartbreak strike :))
tepid bear
ah damn it, I got lucky with my previous run then xD
dark quail
What are good boons for chiron?
jade rover
I like Zeus special, ares attack is pretty good, you can go a lot of ways. Stacking specials like demeter and dio aren't bad.
Honestly, I coming to the conclusion that running Ares and Zeus is the way to win, like, every run. Very very few situations don't benefit heavily from them in some combination or another.
On the Artemis front, I'm not sure I understand why increasing rarity or level of Artemis boons doesn't ever increase crit chance.
worldly trellis
Yea that honestly discourages me from leveling Arti attack/special
especially because the % dmg is already so low to begin with
jade rover
It has to be, sort of. Even as low as it is, Artemis still out damages other strike boons on average
empty veldt
Aphrodite beats Artemis @jade rover
on average, even counting the crits, aphrodite beats Artemis
Unless you got some T2 boons on artemis like clean kill
or got external attack up sources like chaos
jade rover
I know, I said that above.
sudden swift
guys what hammer that you pick for demeter aspect twin fist?
void sun
If you can get the one that makes your special into a projectile always take that imo
The extra special hits still work with it so you can just spec fully into special
spiral tree
cloud barn
just had a thought
currently than's cthonic companion is pretty underwhelming, as it takes ages to proc
but what if the damage carried over past shields? it would fit more with the theme of death in general, as you cant protect yourself from it
to specify what i mean by "carried over past shields" just so there is no ambiguity, I mean that the shield still absorbs some damage, but excess is still dealt to their health
I don't think it would be too broken, as Meg's and Achille's companions both have their niche: Meg's is consistent AOE and Achille's consistent single/duo target. Than's is currently inconsistent AOE, so I feel it needs something to stand out
empty veldt
Thanatos = God of Miss
cloud barn
yes
or if that doesn't work, maybe instead of aiming at an enemy at the start then staying there, the circle locks onto a single enemy then follows that enemy until the damage triggers
could be a cool animation, Than hovering over an enemy then slashing around at the damage
empty prairie
What's some good choices for the sword? I can't seem to get something that works well enough to beat redacted. Even the Champions give me fits with it.
cloud barn
you don't really have to say redacted here, as it's a spoiler zone
read the channel description
you can still say it if you prefer tho, might help a slip up in another channel
which sword aspect are you using?
empty prairie
I've currently got zag maxed and can unlock 2 and 3 if needed.
cloud barn
ok, then honestly I would recommend unlocking the hidden aspect and using that
the default moveset is pretty meh on sword
IMO
other views are probably healthy before doing that
as it can be a bit of a grind
hidden sword aspect has slower, higher damaging attacks, so it can take a second to get used to, but it passively gives you +50 max hp and you can use a defensive zone with the special if you choose
empty prairie
There's no way to force the dialogue to unlock the hidden aspects, right?
cloud barn
do you have spear hidden aspect?
empty prairie
Don't have any hidden aspects yet. :/
cloud barn
ah
spear has to be the first, its kinda weird
do to the r/hadesthegame subreddit and go to the sub description post, near the bottom is a hidden aspect guide
I don't really wanna link it because it's an adobe program and ik that can be fishy
it looks cool tho
untold vortex
there's also a pinned message in #h1-story-discussion with the 4th aspect unlock conditions
empty prairie
Ah ok. I was wondering why they hadn't popped up yet.
cloud barn
yeah, I mean it makes some sense in lore but it's pretty cryptic gameplay-wise
I literally beat 20 heat with the bow before getting any hidden aspects, because I don't like the spear much
empty prairie
Spear is oddly specific when it comes to good builds, in my limited experience.
empty prairie
Yeah, guides seem counter intuitive for a game like this. Takes away the fun of the trial and error.
But man I can't figure out how to make the sword not suck for me.
cloud barn
honestly
i only use hidden aspect sword
the default moveset is my least favorite in the game
by far
empty veldt
Default sword moveset = Only Dash strikes
untold vortex
except with nemisis and poseidon where you also use the special sometimes
empty prairie
I'm using nemesis now with the hammer that heals and it's not half bad.
cunning urchin
Good builds only really require 1–2 good boons, and everything after that is extra.
cloud barn
yeah
cunning urchin
E.g., Malphon with Divine Strike is already a good build that can take you through all the bounties for it.
empty veldt
@empty prairie Isnt lifesteal considered one of the worst hammer upgrades on any sword aspect?
cunning urchin
Popular opinion isn't always right, anyway. Cursed Slash is great.
empty veldt
But its definitely not good on Arthur right
cloud barn
naw
its great
the extra health is a great buffer and it heals per enemy hit, not per swing
the special damage reduc helps too
less healing needed
empty veldt
Base sword moveset hits faster, i would assume that you heal more with faster moveset
cloud barn
yeah
empty prairie
I can definitely see it maybe falling off at higher heats but with flurry slash it's keeping up pretty well and I'm playing super recklessly.
empty veldt
like Arthur can hit 4 enemies at once, healing for 8
cunning urchin
I've no personal experience with Cursed Slash on Excalibur. But there's no one really pushing high heat with Excalibur, either.
cloud barn
excalibur gives you more range to work with
you dont have to be in the enemy's taint to damage them
empty veldt
but 4 fast swings is easier to pull off as opposed to multihit with excalibur swings
i would assume
cloud barn
it aint tho
you can dash after starting the 3 swing combo
so you start it before the window
and time it
empty veldt
i know that
cloud barn
i think you're not quite understanding how horrible the base moveset of the sword is
easily the worst moveset in the game
cloud barn
the range of excalibur more than makes up for the swing speed
that's my final thought
empty veldt
For lifesteal specifically, i'm just trying to imagine which one gives more reliable healing
cunning urchin
I don't even agree with that tbh. Stygius's 3-hit combo isn't half as bad as people make it out to be.
cloud barn
it really is
empty veldt
I mean i still use it, i dont avoid the combo like the plague
cloud barn
the third hit has nearly as much delay as excalibur's
in comparison to the first 2 hits
empty veldt
oh i usually dash after 2 combo to avoid the third combo on normal stygius
cloud barn
yeep
same
the third hit combo is just atrocious, a ton of delay, cant dash with it
with excalibur you can dash with it for some meaty swings
cunning urchin
You can dash inbetween the regular 3-hit combo of any Stygius aspect. That's not specific to Excalibur.
cloud barn
lemme test
cunning urchin
Maybe I should do a no-dash-strike 40+ with Nemesis or something just to prove a point. 
Actually, Zag sword. Why not.
empty veldt
Kekw
cloud barn
from what i can tell it's between our claims
it doesn't follow the combo, but the dash-strike does the same damage
with a similar hitbox
or i might be wrong
hang on
lemme test some more
ah, yeah it does follow combo
combo 3 moves you forward, dash attack doesnt
i concede that you can dash with it, however I still believe it is the worst moveset in the game
when i say "moveset" I mean that I take all aspects with the same general moveset and group them, then choose my favorite
empty prairie
I just completely face tanked the Champions without moving the joystick. I'm coming around on the sword now.
cloud barn
like for the shield, I group zagreus and chaos aspects and leave zeus and beowulf seperate
cunning urchin
Well, EM3 + FO2, anyway.
empty prairie
No EM for now. Though I wonder how well it would do against it. I finished at full health.
cloud barn
I don't use FO much, i think the only run I've won with it was the 32 heat for the skelly statue
empty prairie
Attack speed from Hermes, weak on attack from Aphrodite, flurry strike, heal on attack, nemesis sword.
cloud barn
personally the reason i leave it off is I know it will mess up my muscle memory, so leaving it on 100% of the time makes sense
what attack boons do you go for on excalibur? I'm curious
empty veldt
I run FO1 with EM3, but i havent run EM4 with FO2 yet.
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, Divine Strike. Any of those.
empty veldt
too much pain
cloud barn
yeah, those are generally what I go for as well
cunning urchin
That's the meta, yeah.
Personally, I use Heartbreak Strike every time if I get to choose. But that's not always the case at high heat.
empty prairie
What is FO?
cunning urchin
Forced Overtime.
empty prairie
Oh.
cloud barn
I don't pay attention to meta, but it makes sense that the meta is that
because it's damn good
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike + Divine Dash + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air is the ideal build for me.
cloud barn
I don't really like zeus' aid, and I don't rely on duos
I prefer athena's aid, broken with pom blossom
if you get it early that is
cunning urchin
Zeus' Aid is amazing for DPS. And Smoldering Air is practically free if you're already running Heartbreak Strike anyway.
Unless you run CF AP etc. But even with those, the odds aren't half bad.
cloud barn
what do those abbreviations mean
cunning urchin
It's not a matter of "relying" on it but having the potential in your build.
Convenience Fee, Approval Process.
cloud barn
ah
cunning urchin
There's a list pinned with all the initialisms for pacts in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
cloud barn
makes sense, i have that chat muted
cunning urchin
But they're just initialisms, so it's pretty straightforward.
cloud barn
ye
I personally play the game more casually, which is why I don't read guides unless i need to
like the hidden aspects
cunning urchin
I wrote a newbie build guide because there was a lot of demand for it. It's pinned here in this channel.
cloud barn
makes sense
also, when I say that I think default sword moveset is the worst one, I am not being objective and I don't intent to come off as objective. I realize that it has its niche, but that niche is the weakest one to me personally
marsh pumice
Sword is my least favorite weapon, except Arthur aspect 
cosmic vale
not sure where to ask this, so ill just do it here
how does one get ||the benefits package for the pact of punishment||
fluid trench
i like sword but mostly because it's a very mashy weapon i can turn my brain off for lmao
bp was... shouldn't that be default
i know you need to unlock the whole mirror for the mirror condition but i don't see why bp would be gated behind anything
cosmic vale
i don't know how to access it if that's the case
glass rapids
Afaik benefits package is there as soon as you get the pact with the rest of the conditions
cloud barn
BP is the thing that unlocks EM4 right?
glass rapids
No, it's a condition that gives armored enemies unique abilities
fluid trench
it should be i think
cosmic vale
oh
i thought it was for the player not the enemies
i didn't read that one prophecy very well
cloud barn
understandable
empty prairie
Is it just me or are the fists like dummy simple to win with?
marsh pumice
Just you 
empty prairie
Yay I'm special.
cloud barn
well
they are simple
not easy
punch good and dont get hit
i have made a breakthrough with excalibur
which was probably obvious
cunning urchin
?
cunning urchin
Furies don't have a lot of HP.
echo summit
imho fists and sword are the hardest weapons for me to use... also for some reason bow dash attack is a pain to use, like you need to hold it for a wee bit
cunning urchin
The Dash-Strike is similar to the normal bow attack but charges faster.
For slightly less damage.
You should charge it for a Power-Shot.
cloud barn
also longer range
marsh pumice
Just don't use dash strike on bow, simple
echo summit
what im saying is that i find DOING the dash strike on bow really hard since it seems i need to hold it and then dash for some reason
marsh pumice
I prefer special 
cunning urchin
It's the other way around. You input Dash first and then hold Attack.
cloud barn
well you see
with chiron
dash strike charges faster
and because you focus on special damage the lower damage doesnt matter
echo summit
@cunning urchin thanks for telling me, that should make it a hella easier to pull off
cloud barn
so you can literally dash, dash-attack, shoot the dash attack as soon as the first dash ends, dash right after, special.
and still get good range
cloud barn
well thats your problem
wait what
why use zag bow if you dont attack
the crit doesnt apply to special
marsh pumice
I know, I use charged volley
marsh pumice
But hera is not fun
cloud barn
why not?
you can get more thingies from chaos, load em all up in one
then shoot the enemy with 5 razor blades
marsh pumice
It's just a waste
marsh pumice
I use Stygian
cloud barn
yeah
i like stygian more as well
but do you find yourself using cast often in the later areas?
genuine question, i usually dont
marsh pumice
In later areas you don't cast, you one shot you cast for bosses
cloud barn
why do you use a "heh" emote so much
do you feel superior to others because of your preferences?
marsh pumice
No, I just love to use emotes :)
cunning urchin
cloud barn
makes sense, just wanna warn you that the combination of smug emotes and the noir-style avatar give off that kinda vibe
cunning urchin
It does?
cloud barn
to me at least
putting a smug emote after simple statements of preference
the emotes alone aren't the issue, the placement is more what gives off the vibe
gilded nymph
how do you create new seeds?
cunning urchin
Die or win a run.
gilded nymph
ok thanks
cloud barn
basically you have a penalty or conditional penalty for X rooms or encounters, and once that many rooms or encounters passes it switches to the positive effect
i say rooms or encounters but it's mostly encounters, I only mention rooms because one of the possible penalties is "Room rewards are hidden"
gilded nymph
I didn't explain myself properly sorry
so you know after you take the boom you get 1-3 options to choose for the next room
cloud barn
ye
gilded nymph
yeah is there anything behind the choosing of these rooms
so for example, I can either pick zeus/poseidon boon from next room or use a chaos gate
when i use the chaos gate
what would the room options be
cloud barn
I can only remember it being the common rewards, IE nectar, darkness, key, or gemstones
but that may be wrong
half crater
you get the chaos gate instead of the zeus/poseidon room, so the next room will be random
marsh pumice
you can get gods in chaos room
cloud barn
I didn't really think about it until now
half crater
nah it can be gods/story rooms/shops whatever
cloud barn
ok cool, ty for clarifying
cosmic vale
i kinda wish you could make some of the daedalus hammer effects permanent
cloud barn
well i mean
goes against the point of a roguelike
but i know what you mean
some daedalus upgrades feel so much nicer than the non-upgraded version
cloud barn
I also wish there was an area you could give yourself specific boons and/or daedalus upgrades just to test stuff out
cosmic vale
mainly the ones that just replace the normal attack with something that loses an effect it has but is more fun overall
cunning urchin
There is. It's the area outside the House in the Underworld.
cosmic vale
like the one i mentioned above, flurry slash (?), pulverizing blow etc
cloud barn
cunning urchin
You can go there and pick up boons and hammers as you like while fighting hordes of enemies.
cloud barn
true, idk how i missed it
cunning urchin
It's extra fun if you add pacts like LC4, FO2, HL5, AP2, . . .
cosmic vale
also speaking of
is there like a keepsake that has to do with daedalus hammers
cunning urchin
No.
cosmic vale
unfortunate
cunning urchin
Hammer upgrades have some of the greatest effect on your runs.
cosmic vale
i mean kinda but i'd argue that some boons can have bigger ones
cunning urchin
"some of the greatest"
If you had your favorite hammers right from the start, picking up new hammers would be kind of whatever. You'd already have what you want.
But like this, you can experience the joy of finding the upgrade you want whenever you do.
unkempt zephyr
40 heat artur run starts.Bless me god)
cosmic vale
whereas hammers are not and a lot of the time just offer an alternate thing rather than an objectively superior upgrade
half crater
40 heat artur run starts.Bless me god)
@unkempt zephyr good luck!
i can't even crack 32 with arthur lol
unkempt zephyr
whereas hammers are not and a lot of the time just offer an alternate thing rather than an objectively superior upgrade
@cosmic vale I disagree. Just some of them you have not yet appreciated. And have not made such builds in which other upgrades would be needed.
primal hazel
Does athena dash trigger ME?
cosmic vale
im talking about some of the ones i like specifically with that
being an alternate thing
half crater
Does athena dash trigger ME?
@primal hazel yup
doesn't work as a prereq tho, so watch out for that
you gotta get divine strike/flourish
primal hazel
Ik
lone lava
Yeah you can use it to proc the doom but you can't have the dash as your only primary athena boon since you won't get the duo
primal hazel
Picked up the dash last
I was wondering because it seems to not trigger her curse
marsh pumice
GY Spin attack is so good, that low health thing is a bit hard tho.
primal hazel
So uhm what's fun to run with eris?
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike is the go-to for Eris.
unkempt zephyr
if you have Peer take drunken. of if you plan to have peer
cunning urchin
@marsh pumice I just get Heartbreak Flourish on it + Zeus' Aid and go for Smoldering Air. Anything else is just extra.
Best hammers are Charged Skewer or Serrated Point, easy to switch your build to Dash-Strike if you get Serrated.
unkempt zephyr
40 heat not so hard with out timer) probably its my choose for artur xD
cunning urchin
Serrated Point clears faster, but it requires practice because of the decreased to dash distance.
@unkempt zephyr that's more for #h1-high-heat-strategies. 
teal lance
I just got the craziest build ever.... Aspect of Chiron bow, 1 daedalus hammer that gave me +4 arrows to my special, 1 hammer that increased special arrow dmg for every consecutive arrow. That's just the start, I got artemis's flourish for crits & aphrodite's attack... with the duo boon that increased critical damage to weak enemies. So basically... I shot an enemy to weaken then used my special & deleted everything in sight. I also got a chaos boon to increase special dmg & other stuff, every time I used my special I took down like 1/6th or more of Hades's health.
gilded nymph
are there any fist builds that work with any heat
unkempt pagoda
merciful end
gilded nymph
it feels so hard to react to attacks while melee range
cunning urchin
Divine Strike only is enough for getting all the bounties for Malphon.
unkempt zephyr
@unkempt zephyr that's more for #h1-high-heat-strategies.
@cunning urchin I know) i just try create build that work on any heat on artur. becaus i artur mainer. and 40 heat nice plase to check this. What best build for artur.
with +100 damage EM4 and 40 speed.
cunning urchin
You'll want Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, or Lightning Strike on Malphon—with Divine Dash or Hunter Dash.
And in any case, Deflect on either Attack or Dash.
unkempt zephyr
Im already easy deal on 32. im pref combo with artemis special. and ONLY athena attack.
cunning urchin
For Demeter Aspect, add Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish to that.
unkempt zephyr
im need my 6.5k crit in back to kill dad in EM4
cunning urchin
Yeah, 32 still kind of let's you do whatever. 40 is very different. Divine Strike is a solid choice on Excalibur, that's for sure.
gilded nymph
what is curse of agony
unkempt zephyr
Hermes. probably second best god for artur. to have second dash.attack speed. and healing after dash.
gilded nymph
hmm
solid cairn
I have an idea
solid cairn
aphro dash and heart rend on arthur
to apply weak quick
since special is too slow
yes you dont get the crutch i frames
unkempt zephyr
since special is too slow
@solid cairn if you dont use aniamation cancel. yup. its slow.
proven osprey
So i went for 4th aspect of fist
dio on attack
the dmg I dealt were like, near 0
unkempt zephyr
dio on attack
@proven osprey its good if you can dash strikes good. i close 32 on dio claws. but its hard man. no deflects. damage huge on group of enemy.But solo damage strugling with out 2 duos.
gilded nymph
also @cunning urchin what hammers do I want
unkempt zephyr
I want to play dio, what weapon would you suggest ?
@proven osprey I show you in Private message. ok?
proven osprey
yeah 
cunning urchin
@gilded nymph any aspect except Fists 4. I'm not very fond of those.
Breaching Cross is #1. Long Knuckle is also great. Basically any of the Attack hammers.
For Demeter Aspect, Explosive Upper is on about the same level as Breaching Cross.
void fjord
on demeter aspect i suggest going for long knuckle since hitting multiple enemies at the same time builds the special faster
so instead 12 hits, you ideally do only 6 or less
marsh pumice
@cunning urchin ehhh... but I'm using Spin attack on GY, so Quick Spin and Massive spin hammers is better.
cunning urchin
Breaching Cross is still way superior to Long Knuckle on Demeter Aspect. Long Knuckle is great, though, on any aspect.
gilded nymph
ok thanks
and last thing, for demeter what other boons do i want
anything on zeus and artemis specfically?
cunning urchin
Support Fire.
gilded nymph
I expected that much
cunning urchin
Deadly Reversal.
void fjord
well since i run ruthless reflex more, long knuckle is better for me as compared to breaching cross
the special should be aphrodite
no exceptions
unless ur doing a merciless end run
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish are both just fine.
Frost Flourish and Divine Flourish aren't too bad, either.
marsh pumice
damn, Heightened security is the worst pact option
gilded nymph
why heartbreak over deadly boredhub?
I can see both working
like aphro attack + artemis special
void fjord
frost flourish isnt really that great neither is divine
void fjord
heartbreak does more dmg overall
unkempt zephyr
Best choose for demeter its artemis dash. if you can dash special good.becaus its fork for demeter special. and best if you find chaos on dash strike.its how in past speedruners go and do some insane numbers.its still works good. but they find ares curse +dash ME.
cunning urchin
You can do 40+ with any of them. I don't really get your point.
gilded nymph
so you do artemis dash + aphro special?
cunning urchin
Divine Dash is #1 for Malphon unless you do low heat speedruns or whatever for the damage. Hunter Dash is good, though.
It's pointlessly restrictive to say Heartbreak Flourish is the only good choice.
little pine
Does anyone have any tips for using fists? They feel incredibly bad vs hades compared to other weapons, close range makes it feel like I get hit way more often
cunning urchin
Go for damage after his spin attacks. He has a lot of recover there for you to get some hits in.
gilded nymph
yeah his attacks have a lot of windup
you can dodge them with timing instead of dashing out of range
cunning urchin
But if you have the DPS, you can just mash Dash-Strike tbh and kill him that way.
spare flare
Is there a definitive rundown on which aspects offer the best DPS?
cunning urchin
Probably Fists 4 with Merciful End.
unkempt zephyr
Is there a definitive rundown on which aspects offer the best DPS?
@spare flare Best its player reaction and experience+knowleg
unkempt pagoda
eris is a contender, but i agree that fists4 ME is extremely strong lol
cunning urchin
Actually, maybe Eris. Eris holds the speedrun record at any heat right now.
unkempt zephyr
becaus if you realy good you can do better damage.avoid. best run was 3m 51s and it was sword.
unkempt zephyr
yup. but still cap of human can do fast run was Nemesis sword.
unkempt pagoda
probably blood price or nighty night?
don't think there was a sub-4 in blood price though
cunning urchin
3:51 was definitely fully routed.
spare flare
I know how games work, Oversky, but thanks, anyway.
unkempt pagoda
wasn't seeded speedruns the norm before 1.0? i wasn't really following speedrun antics back then
spare flare
So the real answer is no. Got it.
cunning urchin
Power in skipping as many rooms as possible with the right route and getting as many Dash-Strike and Strike boons as possible from Master Chaos.
unkempt zephyr
and best speedruner still vorime. sword nemesis 3m 51s blood seed. and Rail eris 7m16s 1.0 unseed
cunning urchin
DPS from routed builds has no real relevance to normal, unseeded runs, anyway.
unkempt zephyr
its dosent matter. its Luck run unseeed +or luck run from seed.
cunning urchin
There's no "luck" in a routed run. All the RNG is manipulated.
unkempt zephyr
its still hard to use seed.harder than normal run. becaus if you dont know HOW seed work you words empty. becaus 0.2. of second create a route. and if you dont do rigth. start again.
cunning urchin
Seeded and routed mean different things. Seeded just means you know the first boon/hammer. Routed means every chamber layout, shop item, boon, hammer, NPC room, Chaos Gate, etc., is just as you manipulated.
unkempt zephyr
Seeded and routed mean different things. Seeded just means you know the first boon/hammer. Routed means every chamber layout, shop item, boon, hammer, NPC room, Chaos Gate, etc., is just as you manipulated.
@cunning urchin Seed change if you do all in same time.its hard to say.
solid cairn
damn, Heightened security is the worst pact option
worst pact option that gives 1 heat*
cunning urchin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid cairn
I see you like a lot of things I do not
cunning urchin
Only pact I don't like is EM3. 
spare flare
Heightened Security seems fine to me. It's Tight Deadline that has me concerned.
solid cairn
TD2 is free
unkempt zephyr
its hard to say. but seed still change if you dont do dialogs.scips.time when you enter. time to clear room. Seed run alote harder than usual run. just try once. look video. or save game. try run. load save again and try to do same thing. and you see.Seed changes. @cunning urchin
solid cairn
TD3 is kinda sketch ngl
spare flare
I despise time limits, even when I have little trouble with them.
cunning urchin
I know how seeds work. Thanks.
solid cairn
they made time carry over which was something I suggested a long time ago but got downvoted
cunning urchin
I don't normally like time limits at all, but for some reason, TD in Hades is a lot of fun.
unkempt zephyr
Its in both seed or unseed. luck. but seed harder to do. i saw this. how vorime in march do eris with shootgun dash build. its takes 2- 3 weeks.
solid cairn
honestly if people ask what pacts to go first I say TD2, EM1-2 and MM
the heat to difficulty ratio is super in your favor
HS isn't that bad with SD so that's probably why you like it
cunning urchin
I liked HS way before they added SD lol.
hearty elbow
Wait... Seed is harder to do? How do you justify that. You get to pick what you want lol.
cunning urchin
I like when the traps actually feel like threats.
solid cairn
I hate worrying about losing an entire DD to a trap I may or may not see
cunning urchin
Hmmm. But the traps are always in the same locations.
hearty elbow
Seeded runs take longer than unseeded runs because people plan to do content way harder than they would normally be able to do because they get to pick a broken hammer in room 1. Unseeded runs, you don't push nearly as hard, so you typically plan to do them in one sitting
cunning urchin
So it forces you to actually pay attention to that and learn how to deal with the traps.
Instead of just tanking the damage because it doesn't matter.
solid cairn
I guess for teaching good habits its alright
marsh pumice
or just dont take HS
spare flare
SD?
mighty ermine
stubborn defiance
solid cairn
stubborn defiance
spare flare
Oh, that. I don't mind Heightened Security either way. Just don't step on traps, you know? Hypnos advice.
cunning urchin
stubborn defiance
solid cairn
hypnos is twitch chat
unkempt zephyr
Oh, that. I don't mind Heightened Security either way. Just don't step on traps, you know? Hypnos advice.
@spare flare or take athena less traps damage. or take artur and special on traps.
solid cairn
we need to get the hypnos va to say "just dont get hit 4head"
hearty elbow
He gives the best advice.
spare flare
It's not even just to us, either.
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite gives the best advice.
Hypnos can be second or something. Doesn't matter.
Only 💗 matters.
gilded nymph
need help choosing a boon
I'm using eris
either epic support fire or dio artemis duo
cunning urchin
Duo. Even when you don't care for a Duo, you can sell it and buy 3 new boons for the money.
unkempt zephyr
Probably i beat 40 heat hades EM4 rigth now on artur.Good bless me please. dont do alote of mistakes.
cunning urchin
Good luck!
gilded nymph
the money is worth passing up epic support fire on eric?
autumn wing
I am having a tough time getting my first clear with both the sword and the spear. Can anyone recommend any easy builds for those weapons?
gilded nymph
also I'm doing a dio attack eris build
your first clears can be done without a good build
cunning urchin
I honestly don't know how Splitting Headache works. I don't really tend to use builds that would unlock it.
autumn wing
for sure xD problem is I am kinda bad with those weapons and I dont really enjoy them and maybe I am using them wrong
autumn wing
thanks I will have a look at that 😄
gilded nymph
@cunning urchin you get 7.5 crit
cunning urchin
If it adds crit chance to any source of damage, get that, yeah.
hazy slate
Pretty sure aphro dio duo is more stacks of hangover on weak enemies
gilded nymph
yeah
hazy slate
You’re thinking of arte dio duo
hearty elbow
They work as described, and very well with each other
Coming from someone who does Splitting Headache a lot lol
Though I did check, and Hunter Dash is not sufficient to qualify, so it's pretty hard to get both
And not gimp your build
unkempt zephyr
and if I get aphro dio duo it will give me 9 crit
@gilded nymph 1.5 *8= 12% crit. its additive.
hearty elbow
Yeah, it's 12
unkempt zephyr
if athena DS with artemis.+dio with artemis.also add aphro.its can be 20+12% additive crit chance to all attack. but in high heat some problems with this. that why i have only 20+8 on my artur.athena attack and claws athena attack+dio dash and artemis special or call. only 28% additional crit for all attacks. but artemis call have already 35%crit. with this its total 63% crit for aid.
hearty elbow
The appeal is also for adding crit to things that only scale with global damage
A 7.5% or 12% multiplier on Hangover is really sick. It also works well with Hunter's Mark and Hunter's Instinct.
silk anvil
Artemis left click has been letting me down recently; I did a spear run where I was aiming for the @cunning urchin build (heartbreak flourish/shield dash/smolder air/Zeus call), but got neglected by all the gods I wanted :c
I'm also waiting for the triple-spear thrust to pay off in terms of wave clear
I understand we're only a lesser god, but it feels a bit ridiculous to spend 10~15 seconds on a single enemy 
-Achilles spear +100% damage
-cast and lodge blood
-rare arty crit (what's that? 15% to crit, +%20~30 damage?)
-backstabes + damage
-divine dash + dash makes does exposed
And yet enemies still look blankly at me while I try and talk them into dying
cunning urchin
Varatha relies a lot on hammers.
silk anvil
I need to stop picking the triple jab and expecting it to do me any favors. Have you found a pairing that works well for it? It just seems unweildy to me @cunning urchin, in the time I could poke down three mobs with the triple stab, I feel like I could just as easily / more efficiently use the triple-dash-strike with Varatha and take out more mooks
marsh pumice
triple jab is just.. ehh.. trash
austere shadow
That one leaves you too vulnerable imo, unless you have Hermes' triple dash or the one where you get movement speed after dashing
cunning urchin
I only really play Guan Yu, and I don't pick Triple Jab on that.
silk anvil
I've not experimented a whole lot with it (only grabbed it twice on Ach. Aspect) but does it change the base jab moveset (animation+timing)? Or only the animation?
I only really play Guan Yu, and I don't pick Triple Jab on that.
@cunning urchin
I tried a Quan yu, and was rudely denied charged throw and fast spin
Which leads me to my next question:
Have we always been unable to re-roll hammer-time?
cunning urchin
I only really care for Special hammers or Serrated Point on Guan Yu. Maybe a spin hammer if the other options aren't what I'm looking for.
silk anvil
I'm tired of Daedalus Nay-Naying on me and giving me pure regret
cunning urchin
Daedalus Hammers were never something you could reroll, no.
austere shadow
There's always the anvil
silk anvil
alas, I am just a lucky fool then @cunning urchin ..
Maybe the new options are throwing me off by polluting the pool with more garbo
marsh pumice
anvil is good if you got bad hammers
silk anvil
There's always the anvil
@austere shadow valid. Is also 100% of the time going to nuke the hammer-upgrade I did want, give me two worse ones, and leave me with 3 unusable hammers and a lifetime of misery to fight the greatest boss of em all: ||my inner deamons||
cunning urchin
Charged Throw is my favorite hammer for Guan Yu, but that doesn't mean that you need it. The Special is plenty strong on its own, and there's also Breaching Skewer.
silk anvil
Charged Throw is my favorite hammer for Guan Yu, but that doesn't mean that you need it. The Special is plenty strong on its own, and there's also Breaching Skewer.
@cunning urchin glad to see you favor GY; and yeah, being a spear thrower with it is just loads of fun; I feel like the special GY experience is what people mean when they talk about Shield special :c
cunning urchin
It's just the one I know how to play because it's the only one that was good in previous patches lol.
silk anvil
But shield special just ain't special to me, even with daed's upgrade to make it so. Really sad I missed out on 400% dmg shenanigans
It's just the one I know how to play because it's the only one that was good in previous patches lol.
@cunning urchin , you dont reckon Achilles' static damage buff is worthwhile? I feel like it being consistent and easy to apply should count for something
cunning urchin
I can win with the others, but I haven't used them much at all. So I couldn't really speak from experience.
silk anvil
though I have noticed a lot of talk about Hades recently, which I thought was interesting
cunning urchin
All the spear aspects are good.
austere shadow
It just launched late september so
cunning urchin
I just can't say much about them. I used them a bit when finishing up my spear bounties over the last few weeks, but fundamentals just carry me through it anyway lol.
silk anvil
@austere shadow <.< oi, ye know what I mean
cunning urchin
Mostly used Guan Yu, though, because I actually felt like I kinda knew what I was doing instead of just winging it.
silk anvil
@cunning urchin , do you always go for that smoldering air build?
I lost the link/post/whatever where you mentioned other builds you go for depending on the weapon
thorny basin
i need to try guan again. i really love the heavy attack moveset on arthur
unkempt zephyr
I die in 40 heat..on artur. that was so good build ...jesus. last 2 urns deal 180 damage total...
solid cairn
I've gotten sidetracked from high heat
half crater
this is why i am terrified of heightened security lol
solid cairn
my best is like 21
half crater
not sure it’s worth it, even at 40
marsh pumice
it never worth
half crater
particularly with EM4 oof
unkempt zephyr
its was not usual 40 what ppl do)I am a bit sadomasochist
half crater
looks like you made good enough time you could’ve run TD2
might wanna give that a go
hearty elbow
That's -3 heat
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TD1 is basically free regardless
yeah
wait -3? they weren’t running any at all before
+3
or is that what you meant lol
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oh yeah
hearty elbow
Hard Labor or FO1 probably
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i thought you were doing the real player thing and counting down from TD3 lol
hearty elbow
Lmao, I do do that, but only when you approach 50
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i mean, technically from 32 onwards it’s more efficient to count down